veteran-class

[slow spade]

Zarona is the revolver

I keep forgetting :c

[somber axle]

I even used the extra funny Psykanium Warrior tree for max DPS on the Mk II Recon and the best I could juice it to on a Crusher was 2633 DPS

[junior needle]

Send me

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dagoth-ur-dagothwave-morrowind-nerevar-elder-scrolls-gif-22020628

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/flowers-tree-dance-gif-7391218

[faint beacon]

Me sitting here wanting a lower caliber revolver with a shit ton more ammo

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-tree-wise-mystical-tree-wise-tree-mystical-tree-gif-1649714431828430261

[somber axle]

No grenade regen

no Exe Stance refresh

and still the Mk II can't reach the Mk VId on Crusher DPS

maybe if you trade Onslaught for Marksman's Focus and 10 stack 10% rending?

I can test that real quick

[clear mist]

what stats shoude i have on curios?

[somber axle]

It performed better with MF 10 stack rending than Focus Target + Onslaught but still doesn't come close

Recording incoming

[tall torrent]

Reach 200 health, have 1 sniper resist, then gunner resist/toughness/stam regen/sprint efficiency imo

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/37be3cc22eb409748de1f2cabc369f19

[north coyote]

So far bleed bullets + surgical feels best on bolty for me

[tall torrent]

+10% dockets on all 3 curios is based tho

[slow spade]

3 wounds 😎

[clear mist]

okay thanks

[somber axle]

3100 DPS is still pretty solid tbh but the conditional requirement of 10 stack MF makes it awkward for practice

[slow spade]

Crab Vet returns

[last parcel]

did you speed up dagothwave even more for this one

[umbral scaffold]

Have all 3 curios give you 30% more tax return

[slow spade]

With more ammo 🙏

[somber axle]

I have it at 1.5x speed

I like the faster bpm LOL

[last parcel]

it sounds faster than the last clip

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[somber axle]

I can set it to double speed

[wanton dawn]

Nice clown build

[somber axle]

I'll do double speed for the Mk VIIa test

that's the last test I can do for today though

I need to get ready for work

[limpid turtle]

I CAN FINALLY BLAM MY TEAMMATES, THANK YOU FATSHARK!

[wanton dawn]

I think I might be able to reach os

[junior needle]

Welp, you are correct. About the crusher dps difference.

[last parcel]

ah, so the bpm makes up for the fire rate

[junior needle]

However

This is only applicable for crushers

[last parcel]

therefore you should bring it to no ammo malestrom

[junior needle]

or mauler heads

[somber axle]

the increased bpm makes the clown neurons activate for Darktide games

[wary galleon]

this ammo eco on the recon

is absolutely bonkers

its the new braced autogun of ammo

[sterile phoenix]

sigh bricked

[midnight totem]

Strip the puncture

[junior needle]

Ehhhh

[last parcel]

execute poxwalkers

[somber axle]

Yeah I make myself into a Crusher killing machine because I like being able to shoot at them with a Recon but tbh I think Onslaught would make the Recon Mk VId better even at the Mk II and Mk VIIa's optimal ranges when using Onslaught

[wanton dawn]

Here ya go

[sterile phoenix]

What perks should i be looking for on the bolt pistol anyway?

[junior needle]

They have the same falloff values now

[last parcel]

glorious

[junior needle]

All of them

the ADM's were standardized

[somber axle]

I recorded the Mk VIIa! It performed better than the Mk II on the Crusher test. It was still 300 DPS short compared to the Mk VId and the TTK is noticeably shorter

[midnight totem]

Nice. What is that? Surgical, deadly accurate, elite and bring it down?

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/48b1e0df61d714994c86373b43706fd8

[junior needle]

I don't get your obsession with crushers

[somber axle]

Even without perfect crit string variance this still used less ammo on a Crusher compared to the Mk VId

6 ammo spent vs 10 ammo spent

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mad-meme-plague-he-poisoned-water-supply-burnt-our-crops-and-deliver-gif-10420279

[wanton dawn]

Deadly accurate, elite, carapace, and this with 1 point left

[somber axle]

That means it's a more ammo efficient variant dependant on MF 10 stack rending for similar-ish numbers

[midnight totem]

nice

[somber axle]

Quickplay squads fall apart when a pack of 6 Crushers in front walks in and then another pack of 6 more Crushers suddenly appears from behind

[limpid turtle]

Are the mauls worth a damn?

The shotty seems to be fun

[somber axle]

If you can't kill them fast enough the other specials/elites will quickly overwhelm the quickplay squad

Even if you defeat the Crushers in the end, you may find yourself alone

[torn gorge]

crushers are hardly an issue

tbh

unless you have incapable melee weapons

and even then

[somber axle]

They're not really a big deal but Quickplay squads struggle against them in big packs

[torn gorge]

krak

[faint beacon]

They’re apparently so far by the Vet chat considered the most above average thing of the update

[junior needle]

I've never had this happen

[faint beacon]

Aka that’s good

[somber axle]

And more often than not I find the average quickplay player is on their knees as soon as the Crushers arrive

[junior needle]

It's always trappers

[somber axle]

It happens weirdly often to me LOL

Crushers in front and behind

Crusher sandwich

[midnight totem]

Crushers are slow and tall

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-up-im-here-with-you-head-lock-youre-locked-w-ith-me-gif-17677370

[junior needle]

Mauler and rager packs get handled with ease

[somber axle]

me when the 12 Crushers arrive

[midnight totem]

Making them the natural enemy of sneaky and fast clowns

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

[somber axle]

no matter how tall, the rule is always the same
the bigger they are, the harder they fall

[junior needle]

You'd get better mileage without using carapace perks

[somber axle]

plus I played lots of Shadow of the Colossus growing up

I'm used to fighting big things

[frank basin]

yeah can you handle 6 big guys same time?

[somber axle]

I can take 12

[frank basin]

+plus horde possible

[midnight totem]

I'm trying very hard not to make a nsfw joke

[somber axle]

Send in the specials and elites too

[last parcel]

in a fight right

[somber axle]

The Crushers will be gone before they're here

[midnight totem]

I'll let Backup do it for m-

[limpid turtle]

If you still cant dodge Crushers, its on you at this point. Crushers are overrated as fuck. Maulers are more dangerous IMO

[somber axle]

Trappers are really funny though

[frank basin]

here' come the tox bomber

[terse idol]

Little bit o'l both

[somber axle]

Literally today I rescued a Zealot from a net only for them to immediately get netted the second they were off their feet by another trapper firing at me

so I just rescued them again

LOL

[terse idol]

Crushers when you don't have good carapace killing sucks ass

[frank basin]

repent

[full nacelle]

What is the best vet melee weapon for dealing with carapace + bosses?

knife?

[somber axle]

Knife imo

[limpid turtle]

Fair, its plain cancer but all it takes to counter their entire moveset is pressing space or whatever your dodge button is

[somber axle]

Rashad Mk II Combat Axe is also solid

[full nacelle]

sweet, thank ya ❤️

[junior needle]

Rashad does the best with both

[terse idol]

It's like in conjunction with thick hordes also like bleh

[junior needle]

Knife does better with crushers

[somber axle]

For one Crusher sure, but imagine 4 Crushers and 2-3 Bulwarks

[torn gorge]

i was gonna mention PS6

but maybe nerfs did affect it

[frank basin]

so people hype boltpistol and now they realize is meh use, does it?

[limpid turtle]

Thats why i think Frag > Krak.

[somber axle]

it becomes tricky to try to kill the Crushers in a combo when Bulwark shields are clipping through them

[tall torrent]

Knife/Rashad
But personally Rashad better

[faint beacon]

Look you guys are saying mauler this crusher that, it’s a fucking nightmare having both of them in patches of 4-6 together

[terse idol]

I had to try to clutch a wave with like 2 crushers and a mauler while a horde crashed on me and, yeah didn't really pan out

[bitter scroll]

recon lasgun still takes forever to kill a single Mutant

[tall torrent]

Rashad is significantly safer vs crushers because u can stagger them out of overhead

[limpid turtle]

You can clear the junk and only focus on the Crusher(s) afterwards

[somber axle]

This is why I live for Recon rending stacking and carapace damage perk. I want to melt them all

[last parcel]

crusher? i barely know her

[limpid turtle]

On Maelstrom or Shocktrooper gauntlets Krak is better off without a doubt.

[faint beacon]

Mauler + Crusher group combos are usually what destroy groups

[frank basin]

wondering gunners and lot of gunner attacking you when you dealing pack of crusher

[somber axle]

Yeah but doesn't it have significantly longer TTK? If you build Knife right you can get it to a consistent 2HKO. Even built without min-maxing hardcore it can still hit 3HKO status comfortably. That's under a 1 sec TTK

[tall torrent]

Krak is not as good as frag in 90% situations

[somber axle]

The Crusher is probably dead before you've taken your second swing on a Rashad

[tall torrent]

Try fighting 6 crushers at once in meat grinder, u’ll notice the difference

[somber axle]

and you're not going to 1HKO a Crusher on a Rashad

[faint beacon]

Krak exists as a fuck you to Ogryn or Carapace enemies

That’s about it

[frank basin]

bulwark

[somber axle]

I can't unless I download creature spawner but I have done it in actual matches and have enjoyed the knife mobility and TTK in that scenario

[tall torrent]

Crushers have a basically un-stagger-able atk (sweep) that breaks all ur stamina if u try to do the PA spam

[limpid turtle]

Statistically speaking, only way a Krak nade would be better off than a Frag one is only in Shocktrooper gauntlets where you need to delete the big bois ASAP

[tall torrent]

It leaves u super vulnerable

[limpid turtle]

Other than that like i said above, Frag is king

[frank basin]

you get chaff enemy staggering you when you performing attack

[somber axle]

yeah just means you play safer

even a Rashad stagger isn't going to stop 6 crushers all trying to strike at once

either way you have to back off and strike when the opportunity is right

Knife is faster on swing/TTK/mobility so you can enjoy more windows to cut down a Crusher

[tall torrent]

Download creature spawner urself and see

[last parcel]

just use one shovel swing and kill 4 cru- oh wait

[somber axle]

Are you seriously telling me you can stagger 6 Crushers simultaneously

[frank basin]

it wont' be fun mix with chaff horde either scab brusier and groaner

they bodyblocking you behind

[tall torrent]

No, I’m saying you should use it to check the kill time and compare

[somber axle]

one krak grenade and lure them into DBZ fusion dancing in your face

[tall torrent]

Idk why you’re so resistant to actual testing

[somber axle]

I can test it more in actual matches

[tall torrent]

u can check for urself

Rashad can 2 hit crusher too fyi

[somber axle]

I don't like Psykanium testing because that's in a vacuum and a real match has hordes, other elites and specials/disablers roaming + your team to watch

even funnier when you have to fight things during a boss fight too

[frank basin]

the moment i spawn in the new map, they already spawn BoN

[tall torrent]

Rashad is not as fast as knife for boss but for crushers (melee only) it’s barely any worse

[somber axle]

Sure but if you're going to tell me the Rashad TTK can match Knife 2HKO I'm going to ask what drugs you're taking to reach that speed because I want them

[limpid turtle]

You can mod in stuff and then spawn in Hordes and ect

[last parcel]

what the fuck is a control group

[somber axle]

I know but I play the game vanilla no mods no interface changes and the only keybinds I've changed is my ping button to "C" and and my special weapon action button to a side mouse button

I need no mods to hold my clown hands

but the mods for testing would be neat

[tiny summit]

Good varlets that stick to a single build as measure of your build viability

[somber axle]

I like looking at Psykanium for pure numbers testing

[tiny summit]

Just download the mods

[somber axle]

I like looking at Aurics for the stress tests

[tall torrent]

You’re not dealing with 1, you’re dealing with 6, and I think ur severely discounting the fast sweep that breaks all ur stamina if u go for PA (which prevents u from doing the fast TTK combo)

[hearty panther]

anyone feeling generous rn

[faint beacon]

Look as much shit as smite Psykers get, they genuinely can be saviors with crusher hordes and stunning them

[hearty panther]

load into a game with close and kill aura

[somber axle]

I've fought 6 crushers with a knife and it wasn't a big deal so idk what you mean

[hearty panther]

lemme know if you get mission aborted

[frank basin]

6 crusher same time has timing swing like hammer striking stake down.

[somber axle]

but I can do it more later

and then feel the vibe vs Rashad dueling vs Crushers

[tall torrent]

Just get creature spawner and check for urself

[somber axle]

the question is like... what does that test that an actual match doesn't test

[frank basin]

i think these people want proof

[unique orchid]

the horde of poxwalkers

[somber axle]

They want to WITNESS ME

I see

[tall torrent]

Because in solo, they have flanking behaviour that differs from when u have 3 other people with u

[somber axle]

not right now I have to go to work but MAYBE LATER I will download the mod, get on stage and dance

[frank basin]

good luck with rng spawn

[somber axle]

yeah that's fine just lead them in a circle to keep them in front of you

don't stand in one spot

[tall torrent]

Seriously just go download it

[frank basin]

hes going to work

[tall torrent]

I’m not gonna bother arguing with u on this

[somber axle]

I can't because I work in a little over an hour

Maybe when I get home

[tall torrent]

Download it, check it when u have time

[somber axle]

I have only 3 days of Darktide time before FF14 consumes my life again

[frank basin]

we'll wait when finish work

[midnight totem]

I relate to that

[frank basin]

eh i gone back destiny 2 again

[somber axle]

so many games

[frank basin]

i play a few bit but trying finishing story dlc

[midnight totem]

I need to clone myself to play all the games

[olive vine]

So the patched recon lasgun is very... fast firing.

[frank basin]

you need two conciousness

[midnight totem]

Then mindmeld the memories together

A super Fie

[olive vine]

Like holy shit its like im firing a mini gun

[frank basin]

yes, the mk v6d

[olive vine]

Its an lmg

[frank basin]

150-180 rounds in magazine

[frank basin]

is onnly 60 dmg

same dmg

[olive vine]

yeah i know 😦

[frank basin]

except dps is higher

[olive vine]

The other ones are good now that their damage got increased.

[frank basin]

and mk7a is buffed damage to 140 dmg

which is neat

[olive vine]

tried that one and its very good.

One problem

[frank basin]

ammo?

[olive vine]

It runs out of ammo really quickly.

yes ammo XD

[frank basin]

2 shot per second you expect that

[olive vine]

But boi the damage

Terrifying

[tall torrent]

It’s 2 ammo/shot, at 461 shots per minute

[frank basin]

they'll nerf in future like down 120-135 lmao

[olive vine]

Which one we talking about ?

[junior needle]

If you think 7a damage is terrifying, just wait until you see IAG's

[olive vine]

??

[frank basin]

IAG columnus?

that shit still on

yet still meta slaved

[frank basin]

here we go again, iag showcase

[olive vine]

But thats boring as fuck

[junior needle]

Uh huh

That's certainly a description

[clear mist]

is the new weapons good

[frank basin]

is alright

[junior needle]

of 3100+ gray and talentless dps

[tall torrent]

Good yes

[frank basin]

i haven't try shotgun yet

[junior needle]

The recons are still mediocre dps wise

[frank basin]

number eater

[olive vine]

pickaxes are terrible

[frank basin]

how

[olive vine]

Ok the heavy one is decent

But everything else ?

Shield and bully club still better

[frank basin]

tell that in #ogryn-class

[clear mist]

no corrup res?

[hearty panther]

can one of yall do me a favour and jump into a match (any) with close and kill aura and tell me if it results in your lobby aborting once you run into enemies

[tall torrent]

I usually don’t get hit by corruption much

[last parcel]

had that happen to me earlier

[clear mist]

its more for grimors

[wanton dawn]

No it doesnt?

[tall torrent]

That’s the neat part, I don’t pick Grims

[hearty panther]

its absolutely doing it for me

[clear mist]

xd

[tall torrent]

Besides

If I wanted grims

I’d just play zealot with BoP aura

[unique orchid]

not a perfect pistol by any means, but it'll work for now

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t go out of my way to change curios to get slightly better corruption resist

[clear mist]

can i ask a favor can you just dm pic with curios you woude recomend

[tall torrent]

I play triple +10% dockets if ur wondering

On all classes

and I don’t have pics rn

Am outside

[clear mist]

so is this one good?

[tall torrent]

Usable?

[drifting oak]

I've heard bad things about game stability

is the game playable right now or are people still getting DC'd 2 minutes into a round, every round

[lyric pike]

i could play

[faint beacon]

Honestly smart to have a pocket of 3 +10% Ordos

Easy money farming

[midnight totem]

I played 1 round today, one of my teammates got dc'd and rejoined twice

[hearty panther]

i need more people to test this close and kill bug

i need saaaaamples

[midnight totem]

and the next two games I tried after that, I dc'd after joining

so... I'll let you be the judge of that

[olive vine]

But yeah new recon guns are great

[somber axle]

I really love the new Recons

but I only had time to play 2 matches today and I wanted to dedicate them to playing boltpistol

Soon I will take to the new snowy map with my Recon Mk VId

[faint beacon]

Isn’t there a new outfit in rotation right now as well

Or is it same old same shit

[tall torrent]

Not yet

This Thursday

[faint beacon]

Ah, suffering

[terse idol]

I just want my db I must get home

After 500 chores

[tall torrent]

There’s an enforcer set tho

[somber axle]

New outfit SOON

[tall torrent]

Maybe that’s this Thursday

[faint beacon]

Working for another 3 hours

[faint beacon]

If it’s really good I’ll get it

[tall torrent]

#darktide-driptide message

[faint beacon]

There’s 0 reason

That shit should go that hard

[somber axle]

The Ogryn set looks best

[faint beacon]

Veteran????

[faint beacon]

I’d argue veteran is better but Ogryn is good

[somber axle]

yeah but Ogryn wears the shoulderpads better

[tall torrent]

Same gloves & gauntlet as Kasrkin carapace armor

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1153279327513886770/1255137352536293548/368763ba2c1b15ca38e6ae75bcb17cc4.jpg?ex=667c0940&is=667ab7c0&hm=a396941f897ae35cbc87ac5236e75a41f5eebcabe4ef0730b86e4526e44a3a58&

[tall torrent]

But different color

[faint beacon]

If you’re wearing that set and not using a Paul or Shock Maul I will be disappointed

[lean light]

When the heretic hits you with that dollar store autopistol

[tall torrent]

Veteran & ogryn go hard

Psyker headpiece is “wtf”

[faint beacon]

Zealot is alright

[tall torrent]

Zealot looks good too

[faint beacon]

Psyker is the weakest

[somber axle]

Psyker always looks weakest

[faint beacon]

Look it’s a full helm for Zealot

[olive vine]

Kinda sad the Krieg lasgun didnt get anything

Though wait mabey a scope ?

[faint beacon]

Exact reason why I use weapon customization

[somber axle]

it would be REALLY funny if they released a paid shop cosmetic skin for Helbores that has a scope, put it in rotation once a year and make everyone cry about it the rest of the year for missing that single week it was up

[tall torrent]

It did

[somber axle]

ok it'd be up like a month and a half because shop rotation biweekly but still

[tall torrent]

Because Helbore has a crosshair (charge up meter) effect when u ADS

If u change the custom crosshair in settings

U now have that custom crosshair when u ADS

Which looks like this

It’s def better than not having the crosshair lol

[stiff merlin]

wait, there's two shock mauls O:

[faint beacon]

MKIII is the better of the 2 from what I’ve seen

[stiff merlin]

I just think it looks better lol

and it might have the better CC attacks?

[tall torrent]

It has a better moveset

Also @bitter turtle Mk13g chainsword finally has a coherent horde clear moveset beyond light spam

L3 > H3 loop

[bitter turtle]

Cool

[olive vine]

imma try the helbore a little

seems to have become alot better

[stiff merlin]

So with the change in how bolts work does this mean the boltgun was also buffed?

[tall torrent]

Boltgun did get buffed but it’s still not that great imo

[lusty sapphire]

What did they change about the bolts?

[bronze trout]

How are the rolls for the new weapons going? sank like 500k on shock mauls and this is all I have to show for it

[stiff merlin]

olt-type Explosions
Bolt-type explosions are now always the same size, no matter if they hit or kill.
Added additional damage to the explosion when killing an enemy.
Removed the VFX explosion effect on close range hits where the bolt does not have time to prime the explosive package.

[somber axle]

Helbores are very nice

Helbore Mk I has the easiest breakpoints to hit and is the easiest to roll

Helbore Mk II has the trickiest breakpoints to hit and is the hardest to roll but in my opinion is the most satisfying of the three

Helbore Mk III can be built for Crusher 1HKO memes if you want to go that far

Helbore Mk I and Mk II have the satisfying and speedy bayonet thrust

Mk III has the slow awkward bayonet diagonal swing

[lusty sapphire]

Ah so it's a lot of technical stuff to make them more bolt lile

[tame lodge]

Bolt pistol affected by suppression?

[lucid hinge]

like its aim?

yes

[somber axle]

Yes

[somber axle]

Very heavy suppression effect

It's worth getting the talent for suppression immunity imo

Even with Deadshot and Exe Stance the suppression can be very oppressive

Grab Determined and just be immune

I would also recommend getting at least one of the reload speed talents

The reload is just fast enough by default to keep Exe Stance refreshed but only just barely. Getting even one reload speed talent helps that immensely

If you don't use Exe Stance with it then you can care a lot less about the slow reload speed

[clear mist]

what are good roll for the new weapon? and perks

[tame lodge]

Thx for the answers

[midnight totem]

Does bolt pistol stagger crushers midswing?

[bitter turtle]

i got aborted

didnt even run into enemies

[tame lodge]

Poor choice of words

Lol

[bitter turtle]

i almost got aborted in that way too

[somber axle]

Surgical/Deadly Accurate is a solid combo. Could also go Lethal Proximity + Execution

[fierce steeple]

so how we building out these here bolt pistols fellas. Whats the perk/blessing combo the number crunchers have come up with

[bitter turtle]

fuggin hell

literally almost all my builds use close & kill

gonnahave to rebuild all my trees

[hearty panther]

same

big sad

[bitter turtle]

actually terrible

idk how im gonna play infiltrate now

[fierce steeple]

lethal prox and execution is exactly what I assumed was gonna be the combo people were going for

[bitter turtle]

without getting reamed on pathing

[low kelp]

I got a columnus build (with dagger) that has a floating point I can't decide where to place

[bitter turtle]

ogryn damage is always good

or demo team

you have no grenade regen

or elite dmg

wtf

ok no offense but your build is

questionable

[frank basin]

He just like me

[low kelp]

Elite enemies is what I had it in originally, but the stacking brittleness is melting stuff so fast I swapped it off

[bitter turtle]

onslaught is kind of meme

[tall torrent]

Precision strikes
I don’t think u need suppression immunity for IAGs

[bitter turtle]

stacking brittleness only matters if you shoot crushers

is that worth 4 points to you

[tall torrent]

Onslaught is meme

[frank basin]

What about flak

[bitter turtle]

most flak things die before the brittleness matters

[tall torrent]

You take like 2 less shots

[frank basin]

Right

[low kelp]

2 points, the 10% crit chance is massively helpful in melee

[frank basin]

Did you put 5% crits chance on perk and node?

[low kelp]

Well more than 10%, its 10% flat and 5% stacking on dodges + 25% melee finesse (dagger)

[hearty panther]

ok ye bolt pistol is a fun time

[somber axle]

I think the CIAG is strong enough to kill Crushers with Rending Strikes and doesn't need or get much value from Onslaught tbh

[low kelp]

CIAG?

[bitter turtle]

it is not

but

[cinder zephyr]

So bolt pistol worth a shit? or should i stick to running either revolver or boltgun

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[hidden badge]

I think surgical paired with the 4 stacks of bleed will be the meta for this gun. I run a crit bleed knife build usually on my vet and zealot. Bleed really helps with management. You also get shredder grenades for more bleed.

[bitter turtle]

its still not worth it

[frank basin]

Columnus infantry

Is meta gun

[low kelp]

Crushers are the one enemy I actually struggle to handle when running columnus unless I dip into getting krak

[bitter turtle]

unless you count

400 dps

[somber axle]

Recons stay winning at Crusher killing

[bitter turtle]

as strong enough

[wise fossil]

Something like this will serve you much better with Columnus/knife

[bitter turtle]

crushers should be dealt with your melee weapon

[frank basin]

With tending?

[somber axle]

I already tested all the Recons post Secrets of the Machine God against Crushers and the Recon Mk VId is king

[low kelp]

Are regenerating frags really that great unupgraded? They don't even kill poxwalkers

[somber axle]

I would share the builds but I am at work and starting in 7 minutes

[bitter turtle]

1 frag is for crowd control

2 is for killing

[low kelp]

I just use them to stagger out of a bind, which isn't common enough to need the regen points

[bitter turtle]

2 frags stack enough bleed that it will kill everything short of a mauler and ogryns

[tall torrent]

If u play knife u should have really solid carapace dmg

[frank basin]

My melee weapon like chain sword or chain axe can’t kill that fast against crusher with on rev teeth. And I shit know you going say rashad axe cuz that again meta.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=667b0fa3&is=6679be23&hm=2e279026d84288debd0da678223e6183b67117977d541fde1103399731e57e09&

U could just do this

[bitter turtle]

video isnt long enough to catch all the kills but you get the pt

[feral bay]

So, is anyone else kindof excited that the bolter got another mag?

[hidden badge]

Shredders are also for killing if you pair this with a crit bleed knife and the bolt gun with bleed. You can get like 8 stacks of bleed or something nutty like that very quickly via stacking all this.

[frank basin]

Frag grenade are great use for breathing room and bleed bonus

[low kelp]

Frag grenades are great, but I don't use them enough to need regeneration that badly even on auric

[wise fossil]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

then you are not taking advantage of them as much as you could, bleed grenades are very strong

you don't need anything in this game

u can win with greys

and a blank talent tree

[hidden badge]

Bleed is really slept on. It helps with management SO MUCH

[bitter turtle]

but if you ask what is good and what is not

then obv some things are strong

even if you dont need them

[hidden badge]

Once you play Zealot, you understand that

If you can run away and not die - do that

[low kelp]

Right but even without the regen there's more than enough grenade pickups most of the time. But yea I can easily grab the regen perk for it if its that important.

[bitter turtle]

its up to you

if you dont really notice/care for it

or if you dont use grenades that much

then you wont get value out of it yes

grenade regen lets you chuck them very aggressively

[frank basin]

well then find what build suit you.

[bitter turtle]

but obv if you dont leverage that then it would not help you

[elder fiber]

Those nade pickups could go to ogryn frag or zealot immo nades

[tall torrent]

Do u play scab melee no ammo maelstroms much

[hidden badge]

Zealot immo nades are fantastic and yeah agreed

[low kelp]

Nah, if I did I'd use a build specifically for it

[wise fossil]

Demolition Stockpile is the second best talent on the whole tree, after Tactical Awareness. You can not take it, but you're intentionally handicapping yourself

[hidden badge]

Regen nade is mandatory imo

[tall torrent]

Cuz grenade spam is extremely strong

[astral blade]

Hey fellas

[tall torrent]

U should always have at least 1 nade regen on veteran

[hidden badge]

I usually take the +1 nade too because why not

[frank basin]

I use smoke grenade and regen nade which helpful on new map with bunch of shooter and gunners

[hidden badge]

Smoke is stll so mid, but one day I wanna try it again with infil

[astral blade]

What y’all talking about

[frank basin]

I had another vet player use smoke grenade

[hidden badge]

Infil is really good though and I enjoy using it, but yeah VOC is the obvious meta and stealth is better for zealot meta

[frank basin]

It saved our ass busy killing chaff melee while gunner and shooter there exist

[hidden badge]

Yeah I could see it being useful for some maelstroms

(though tbh the issue mostly is people can't aim and take cover)

[frank basin]

Our team would die to gunner shooting at us being busy killing chaff melee

(Well the map is open)

[hidden badge]

Ah that'd do it then yeah haven't played it yet

[bitter turtle]

ok

time to try reggon again

[serene bough]

sad

[frank basin]

New map has some open environment in Certain section

[serene bough]

download still frozen at 64%

[hidden badge]

Psyker bubble exists though too and that's definitely the meta

[serene bough]

anyway to fix without completely uninstalling the game

[frank basin]

What if you have no psyker in your team.

[hidden badge]

Lol my Psyker usually is the veteran with bubble, assail and the revolver. I kill all the gunners.

[faint beacon]

Steam could be down for maintenance

It’s the day and time they usually do it

[frank basin]

So you’re psyker player

[frank ether]

take cover

[serene bough]

it was like this since this morning

[hidden badge]

No, I'm a no-lifer that plays everything at this point sans Ogryn really lol

[frank basin]

Yeah backing up places when cover so small or has none and some angle open line of sight from shooter or gunner like all some direction they walk on side left or right flanking

[hidden badge]

BUT yes psyker assail bubble revolver is VERY good for gunners too along with the las pistol

[tall torrent]

Ghost + laspistol, click heads while being completely immune to ranged dmg

[frank basin]

Is rare to have those player

[faint beacon]

Smoke grenades also

[tall torrent]

Point & click adventure made even better with the crosshair change today

[hidden badge]

That's me or revolver

[tall torrent]

U could be that player

[frank basin]

How you gonna deal chaff enemy while you point click head

[tall torrent]

Become a based Laspistol enjoyer today

[frank basin]

I’m a heavy weapon guy

[hidden badge]

Laspistol is so so on vet imo, but yeah it rips on assail psyker

[tall torrent]

Clear chaff & try to take cover

[frank basin]

During gunner mag dumping fire upon you while clear chaff enemy?

It happen

Chaff melee likely surrounding you

[tall torrent]

U do realize that ur 100% immune to gunfire from all directions when sliding right

Slide, block, slide, block, get into cover

[clear mist]

what are som of the best perks and stats to get for melee weapons?

[tall torrent]

If it has first target as a stat, get as high as possible
Penetration & finesse also important
Dmg is the least important dmg-related stat
Mobility >51% usually

I asked kuli abt the sprint immunity thing and it’s around 65° on the sides

[clear mist]

i think i wil try the new weapon

[tall torrent]

Front 50°, back 180° aren’t protected

It looks like this, roughly

Behold my hand drawing

Blue is safe

[last parcel]

ms paint enjoyers

[tall torrent]

Go for it
Bring Krak tho, it’s not very good at boss dmg

[serene bough]

did you actually measure the angle here or is this just an educated guess

[clear mist]

krak?

[tall torrent]

Well it’s 50° front, 180° back so there’s 130° left for the sides, that’s 65° each side
I just drew to the best of my ability (didn’t measure in drawing)

[celest rock]

How do we feel about curio setups on stealth vets?

[tall torrent]

It’s a small picture in the guide anyways, I don’t think it’s gonna be a problem as long as the info is right

[celest rock]

Currently running 2x toughness 1x health

[serene bough]

nah not the drawing

like in game

[tall torrent]

Krak grenade

[celest rock]

Considering swapping to a +3 stam

[serene bough]

does running at a 50* angle to gunfire vs 40* angle make difference

[tall torrent]

Checked with kuli (guy who analyzes the game’s code for info)

[serene bough]

ah ok

code wizard

[tall torrent]

Blue zone is just safe, no difference regardless of angle

[serene bough]

i was kind of imagining you testing every angle to see which thresholds work and which dont

[humble meteor]

+3 stam huge on vet

[serene bough]

silly of me

[hidden badge]

I'm out of mats because Fartshart still insists on RGN hell (fuck you, fartshart!) Does lethal proximity and puncture work in tandem?

[tall torrent]

Nah I’m not psychotic like that

[celest rock]

So maybe 1 stam, 1 health 1 toughness?

[tall torrent]

Yes it sucks
No they don’t work together

[humble meteor]

depends how scared of chip dmg you are

[hearty panther]

Lethal Proximity is if you want your bolt pistol to also be able to clear crowds away from you

[hidden badge]

Balls. Thanks for letting me know. It'd probably be too good otherwise. Surgical + puncture is what I'm thinking for the bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health and 1 20% sniper resist

Everything else up to u

[bitter turtle]

its not based on where the ranged atk is comign from

its based on your fov

[tall torrent]

Yes

[umbral cloud]

Is there a reload speed cap?

[hearty panther]

It's frankly not a terrible choice but you are passing up damage of some kind to do it

[celest rock]

So unlike zealot you don't need to stack toughness as high

[tall torrent]

It’s mostly because >200 health with 20% sniper resist gives u 2 major breakpoints that help a lot when shit goes south

U can take 2 burster/sniper hits and not go down from full health

And if you’re downed & revived (1 wound remaining), u don’t die instantly from sniper/burster

Burster is 100 total dmg regardless of ur position from blast center

[celest rock]

Thanks for the help. I'm running stealth/weapon spec vet with Mk13 chainsword and the new doom shotgun

[tall torrent]

Sniper is 122.5 dmg (98 with 20% sniper resist)

[celest rock]

It SLAPS but I'm having difficulty making it work. The potential is there. Just need to dial it in

[winter grove]

Isn't mk13 the one with really awkward moveset?

[celest rock]

I don't find it awkward at all. One of my most used melee weapons

Wrath turns it into a blender

[winter grove]

But I wanna know about the super shotgun

[celest rock]

Devastating. Hard to use.

Reload speed is awesome on it.

[tall torrent]

They buffed it

U actually have a somewhat coherent moveset for horde clear now

[umbral cloud]

@tall torrent Do you know if there is a reload speed cap?

[tall torrent]

I don’t know
And I’m not bored enough to check

[umbral cloud]

No worries, I was just asking incase you had checked it previously 😂

[tall torrent]

The best kind of reload speed is not having to reload (WS sub node)

[serene bough]

huzzah its downloaded

now i wait another hour for file verification

zzzzzzz

[umbral cloud]

Not as good for the assault shotgun IMO

Need that double shot copium

[torn depot]

My veteran feels like Doomguy with the new shotgun

[clear mist]

what perks woude you say? if its the new maul weapon

[celest rock]

It's still really good. But you're also right

Double shot is pure joy

[tall torrent]

Current WIP parts in veteran guide:

New weapons
Blessing section update
Know your enemies
Stagger breakpoints
Curio & defense
Example builds

[umbral cloud]

Surely it’s quicker just to load it manually, depending on the blessings/talents being run?

[tall torrent]

Perk or blessing

[tall torrent]

Swap is faster

Remember, switching to ur sidearm is always faster than reloading

[clear mist]

oh blessing i swaped the names around mb

[tall torrent]

High voltage + skullcrusher

[atomic zephyr]

salvageable?

seems pretty good at the get go

[celest rock]

Yes

Speedload is better than you think

[tall torrent]

Deathspitter is kinda mid for this gun imo

[clear mist]

cool i have 1 of them 😄

[celest rock]

You get to look at a rager pack and say "hi everyone the air is now bullets"

[atomic zephyr]

ok i just rolled anohter one that got both barrels + full bore

honestly that sounds funnier

[tall torrent]

Full bore is also mid on this shotgun

Too wide spread to proc it consistently

[atomic zephyr]

aw

[celest rock]

Except when it isn't, point blank into something large

But yeah. It's not GREAT

It's just ok

[idle carbon]

huh, shit stats, but that's an interesting talent combo
too bad I don't have enough melkbucks

[celest rock]

Super funny do make a charging mutant pull a Kurt Cobain though

[ocean idol]

What blessings for bolt pistol?

[vale ledge]

Wait is the shock maul a vet weapon as wella

[hidden badge]

So far not impressed by the bolt pistol and the revolver is still better

[idle carbon]

all the human weapons added this update are for all human classes

[vale ledge]

WAIT

PSYKER WITH DOUBLE BARREL?

[celest rock]

Yes

[idle carbon]

DBS, shock maul, and bolt pistol can be used on vet, psyker, and zealot ya

[tall torrent]

This is what the emperor intended for humanity

[thorn lark]

scryer shotgun baby

[tall torrent]

Time to cook

[thorn lark]

warpcharges shotgun should be nasty too

[atomic zephyr]

just watched my entire team get flung off the map one by one by a BoN at the beginning of the match

including me

new map 10/10

[midnight totem]

Happened in my run today

One of the early sections right?

[atomic zephyr]

the very first

[midnight totem]

Aye. We had a plague ogryn there

I hugged the wall. They didnt.

They died

[ocean idol]

skissue

[frank basin]

Literally BoN spawn at beginning new map.

Awful

[bitter turtle]

tfw threw a match on new map cause i walked off a ledge

while kiting a bon

didnt expect a gap on that area after you take that transport trolley

[atomic zephyr]

not sure how i feel about this shotgun, range is crazy close

[tall torrent]

Become doom guy

[crimson pebble]

So just got lethal proximity on the bolt pistol and it days "near shots also cause an explosion in addition the explosion radius is increased by 25%" and its true that near shots do stagger enemies but it does zero dmg is this working how its supposed to or

[serene bough]

why does my guy look more tucked into his portrait corner

[tiny summit]

More room to share rhe selfie when he hugs you

[toxic leaf]

how is the shotgun?

[tiny summit]

From what Ive seen, good but has the classic videogame shotgun range

[torn depot]

I'm liking it

[winter grove]

He wants to be more warm

[torn depot]

New shotgun is so powerful

I wish the pump action were just as strong

[atomic zephyr]

yeah the lack of range really hurts

hate being powerless against gunners and snipers

[somber axle]

He's hugging the corner

[toxic leaf]

ugh which would be fine but i feel like if im on vet and not picking off specialists, no one else will

[slow spade]

Stealth vet so you can just justify running up to a sniper UwU

[somber axle]

Watching the Psyker slowly go down the line of Gunners behind waist high cover across the room using Brain Burst while you watch helplessly with your double barrel shotgun

[slow spade]

I wonder if picking up rending stuff will up "boost" the range on the double barrel

[toxic leaf]

i wonder if it has the minimum pellet shenanigans ogryn kickback and ripper have?

[slow spade]

Indeed

A shame we don't have the data for that :c

[somber axle]

Does the double barrel shotgun suffer from steep damage falloff at long range? Or is it spread sending most of the pellets wide so only a few end up on the intended target at long range? Both??

[toxic leaf]

someone take it into sefoni

and see if it chunks at range like a kickback

[slow spade]

A secret third option where Tzeentch is stealing our pellets midair

[hidden badge]

Okay the bolt pistol is trash if you're comparing it to the zarona and plasma gun

[hearty panther]

its both

[slow spade]

At least its not power creeping the bolter

[hidden badge]

The boltgun is the better of the two because that'll at least nuke bulwarks and crushers

[tall torrent]

U shouldn’t need a Boltgun to kill crusher

[woven oak]

This is missing a lot of my specialist/elite kills because the game crashed, but this is my score from the first event onward in the new map. Jeez.

[tall torrent]

Plenty of options available

[toxic leaf]

boltgun isnt even that bad, especially now that it has more ammo

[slow spade]

REAL vets use stealth to run away from crushers instead

[hidden badge]

I mean agreed, but if Fartshart wants to make something OP? Make THE 40k gun good lol

[toxic leaf]

if the plasma or zarona didnt exist, people would love the boltgun

think its the best thing ever

[slow spade]

Bolter should get plasma piercing and assail tracking

Ez fix

[slow spade]

I mean that's how it was in pre-patch 13 lol

[hidden badge]

I do think the Boltgun would be good IF the swap speed wasn't fucking garbage, but you have to run volleyfire to use it basically which is mostly a trash ability imo

[slow spade]

A shame the damage is usually wasted

[tall torrent]

The emperor himself should wake up from his coma and guide ur Boltgun rounds with his psychic power

[slow spade]

Hellfire bolter rounds when?

[hidden badge]

But yes the zarona and plasma gun are just TOO good

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol isn't terrible at least

So I'll still use it

You can't go wrong with a 500+ damage gun with Deadly Accurate + Surgical

[tall torrent]

It’s 1.5 cleave like most other weapons I believe

[slow spade]

Indeed

[hidden badge]

Sure, but you can just use a revolver which shoots way faster and swaps immediatley

[tall torrent]

Granted, now that teammates don’t block shots, it’s not as big of a problem

[hidden badge]

I headshot everything so that's irrelevant for me

[slow spade]

Not sure why people think bolters should cleave when the bolt literally explodes

[somber axle]

Just don't compare it to them then. Or just use those instead. The Boltpistol is surprisingly fun and I was killing specials/elites faster than my team on the Exe Stance build I use with my Boltgun. The shorter reload speed compared to the Boltgun more than makes up for the smaller clip size and helps for keeping Exe Stance duration going even without any reload talents

[slow spade]

The only real issue I find with bolt pistol is its sight sucks

At least that's consistent

[somber axle]

No Pinning Fire made it feel strange but tbh I haven't experimented with a Lethal Proximity + Execution blessing pairing yet

[tall torrent]

I think it’s less iron sight being bad (I find it fine), but more the amount of ADS sway there is

[hidden badge]

Yeah, exec stance needs serious buffs to be a good ability though and infil and voc are just crazy meta good for maelstroms

[somber axle]

I only tried Deadly Accurate + Surgical

[slow spade]

Could be blaming the wrong thing yeah

[somber axle]

Boltpistol definitely felt like it did some heavy lifting on the new snow map

[slow spade]

Especially because infiltrate has defenses too

Exec stance is "pray your dps will kill faster than they spawn"

[hidden badge]

I think exec stance is probably the worst abilty in the game especially if you're using healthbar and visual que mods

[slow spade]

Its definitely up there

[somber axle]

Mods to show you visuals

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-kono-suba-anime-manga-gif-15411817

[finite seal]

uhh, can anyone tell me what is going on with these modifiers? I think the servitor was malfunctioning when it gave this to me...

[slow spade]

Visual only bug

[hidden badge]

Audioques are terrible in this game and I still get the ocassional silent pox

[slow spade]

Sadly the stats are not 100%

[finite seal]

aw 😦

[slow spade]

Yeah :c

It might actually have been really good lol

[somber axle]

Literally modding in what Exe Stance does and then calling it trash is a funny take

[hidden badge]

Is what it is, but yeah aur maelstrom is a headache with bad audio ques

[somber axle]

It's definitely the weakest of the Vet abilities but calling wall hacks bad (especially when you can give wall hacks to the whole squad) is bizarre

[hidden badge]

Yeah I mod a flashlight weapon attachment on my guns too because fatshark are smooth brains lol

[finite seal]

been thinking of trying a strikedown weapon to go with the new shotgun sense im using it to horde clear

[slow spade]

Bring a deaf player into auric maelstrom -> nothing changes UwU

[somber axle]

Info is priceless and players knowing when and what is where is invaluable when things get chaotic

[tall torrent]

Rashad vs everything

[near sable]

chaos consumes you

[hidden badge]

Yes that's why I use the mods because the audio communication in this game is bad

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-27048064

[hidden badge]

This isn't L4D which had GREAT audio

[finite seal]

aight, I'll give that a go, any perks recomended?

[somber axle]

I play modless and it's fine tbh. Silent specials are an odd problem but it's more fun for me to play around the sudden pox hound jumpscare out of nowhere

[soft island]

Am I doing something wrong or is the Rashad pretty meh against a lot of enemies?

[somber axle]

Plus Exe Stance shows me where everything is and the outlines tell me exactly what is where

[hidden badge]

Also nets are another one. I just got tired of it personally and I wear good headphones and use an audio interface.

[faint beacon]

I really only use mods to relay QOL things so going modless really won’t hurt me

[soft island]

Like the heavier ones tend to need quite a few hits and one-shotting a lot of specials/elites can be pretty difficult without the right modifiers.

[tall torrent]

Do u have brutal momentum on ur Rashad

[soft island]

yeh

[tall torrent]

What’s ur Rashad actually

[somber axle]

It's an audio bug with the game afaik. The game just can't keep up with all the sound queues coming in simultaneously and sometimes just skips important ones. No matter how good your audio setup is on your computer you can't fix a problem in the game

[hidden badge]

Yeah visual audio ques are huge QOL upgrades for this game along with the healthbars. Is it kinda cheaty? I guess so, but I'm also trying to kite around like 8 crushers and get to know what their bleeds are this way

[soft island]

I'm not at my computer at the moment, I can post it later tho

[tall torrent]

Because Rashad doesn’t have particular weaknesses

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1252133951863128094/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.09_-_00.24.03.21.mov?ex=667c50dd&is=667aff5d&hm=55921de1e0e8b65e45fa9ace4ef6288344ab9b370dd482e5f19b0642da14ecef&

[faint beacon]

The only cheaty one I use is the Healthbars mainly to relay if I’m actually helping out at all, I won’t use the visual ones feel like it’s too much

[hidden badge]

I'm not using the 3rd person mod (which I think is the strongest of them all) so I'll still dodge into a wall or something and die

[harsh ridge]

how are the shock mauls? are either of em any good?

[atomic zephyr]

alr as fun as it is, im just gonna put my db shotgun down
i feel damn useless not being able to shoot anything ranged

the shock maul mk3 is good

[soft island]

Right. The advice I was told was lights for everything but carapace, which gets heavies

[hidden badge]

The 3rd person mod makes you invulvernable to getting stuck against some random debris or whatever on the map

[harsh ridge]

same

[somber axle]

There are lots of mods that give you crazy amounts of info and I think they make the game objectively easier. Knowing number of dodges, being able to see number of dot stacks, seeing through walls at all times for specials/elites, etc. are sorta beyond accessibility mods for people with irl disability and edge into funny cheat code territory. It's a PvE co-op shooter so like do as you like but it's like training wheels in Aurics

[faint beacon]

They’re apparently one of the above average things to drop with the update, I’ve yet to see how the Ogryns are casting judgment upon the Pickaxe

[tall torrent]

Carapace & unyielding get overheaded, everything else is light/push atk

[oak gorge]

people who use holographic and red dot sight mods for weapons and then claim other people suck are funny to me

like bro cant even aim with iron sights

[hidden badge]

I think you guys are just on console and mad imo

[oak gorge]

literally pc

but go off

[somber axle]

I'm also PC and use Scoreboard mod on and off to check numbers

Mouse keyboard winning forever

[hidden badge]

Like the flashlight mod DRASTICALLY improves the quality of the game lol

[somber axle]

Controller users slow turning while we flick aim at speeds they wish they could match

I main a Recon Mk VId so I get a flashlight by default

[hidden badge]

I don't even think adding a flashlight to a gun is cheating, but FS would probably charge you $10 to buy that

[faint beacon]

Only use scopes if I’m actually snipping with it, ironically enough I use the most jank fucking irons for my HHA

[somber axle]

No judgement but at a certain point all the mods giving you all these QoL changes end up being the equivalent of bowling bumper walls to try to keep you from falling in the gutter

[hidden badge]

But yeah I used irons basically exclusively with the zarona for like a year straight and now its just hey my game looks a little more interesting and less boring since we don't really get updates and I'm not paying for cosmetics

[somber axle]

If you have more fun with the mods giving that info and changing the game then it makes the game a better and more fun experience for you and that's all that really matters

[oak gorge]

as long as you don'tr try to gatekeep "skill" or smth while using mods that make the game objectively easier

that would be silly

[hidden badge]

Yeah that's what I'm saying ultimately esp when I can't just add a flashlight (why not?) and have to play the RNG hell slot machine crap

[faint beacon]

It’s why I really don’t judge on it, admittedly my only borderline cheating one I use is healthbars on specials, idk I just heavily prefer seeing the feedback that I’m getting off of killing important enemies

[umbral scaffold]

what am i doing to this

[hidden badge]

In PUGS, it seriously helps to know the ticking bleeds of crushers when you're trying to solo and clutch it out yeah

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher replacing entropic?

[frank basin]

Health bar help me see special heretic and elites easily

[tall torrent]

I only have health bars enabled for maulers, crushers & bulwarks tbh

Everything else I don’t rly care

[umbral scaffold]

im quite the fan of timed blocks

[faint beacon]

That’s honestly how I feel, but I’m a freak for feedback

I prefer seeing I’m actually doing something

[tall torrent]

Entropic is apparently not bad

[delicate moat]

where did my ordos go

i had 2 million saved up

now i have 0

[oak gorge]

i eated them

[umbral scaffold]

lmao

[faint beacon]

Gone

Into the void

[oak gorge]

[faint beacon]

Sorry I was hungry

[hidden badge]

This is what I do too along with trappers since it'll wipe me if I get that botched audio que

[umbral scaffold]

real fun to have a berserker run at you and get stunned with entropic

[faint beacon]

Silent hounds…

[hidden badge]

Yes those too. You're right.

[faint beacon]

I fucking hate that pounce animation

Where they don’t make noise till AFTER they land on you

[hidden badge]

You can duck too just fyi and they'll go over you

[tall torrent]

I’m just rly happy abt the new crosshairs

[umbral scaffold]

I LOVE THE HEADSHOT HITMARKERS

night and day

[tall torrent]

Assault crosshair my beloved

[delicate moat]

of course the infinite loading is still there

[faint beacon]

Evil fucked up crosshair that’s actually good and not evil

[umbral scaffold]

also

what am i fishing for with the double barrel?

[faint beacon]

I heard the both barrels is good

[tall torrent]

If u unironically enjoy using the heavy crosshair I’m gonna judge u

[umbral scaffold]

also anyone know if shotgun blessings work with the double barrel

[faint beacon]

Whichever one makes you reload faster?

[umbral scaffold]

like I mean, blessings you know already, would they transfer

[tall torrent]

No

[winter grove]

What is this OG CoD MW crosshair

[tall torrent]

Different weapon family

[umbral scaffold]

fuck this gay earth

[tall torrent]

It’s available in settings -> interface
Change ur crosshair type to assault

[faint beacon]

Honestly I’m praying that shartshark makes a slug variant of the DB

I’ll be jumping up and down with joy if that happens

[winter grove]

Thank you I'll be having a great time hitting shots with a GOOD crosshair

[tall torrent]

U can also set it to be just a dot if you’re psychotic enough

[winter grove]

Never

[tall torrent]

The rapid fire one is ok but assault is better imo

Spread is weird

Heavy is bad

There’s one that looks like holographic sight reticle

[umbral cloud]

Is WS or FT better for Plasma?

[tall torrent]

FT hits breakpoints better

[winter grove]

MF :)

[clear mist]

can this be used or shoude i just take the iv high voltage?
ihavent change anything on it yet

[umbral cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[umbral scaffold]

damn

idk what to say abt it honestly

does stunned count as staggered?

for purposes of opportunist

[tall torrent]

Usable

[umbral scaffold]

25% rending vs staggered

[tall torrent]

Swap either blessing to Skullcrusher imo

And sprint efficiency to flak maybe

[tall torrent]

It’s bait

[clear mist]

okay i wil do that when i get an skullcrusher iv

[umbral scaffold]

is it now

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher hits way harder

Would u take +25% rending or +80% dmg

[umbral scaffold]

OO

GOOD POINT

i forgor what skullcrusher did

honestly

it has solid penetration as is

rending probably wasted on it

[umbral scaffold]

holy cow

seems solid

[magic geyser]

i like using the new boltpistol on my veteran it has the "pow" factor i want

and the new shock maul? big fan, can stun ragers and the like the instant they come close

[soft island]

I've reserved one of my modifications and I know it's not perfect, but I couldn't get anything better

[delicate moat]

new mission is hard on histg

i love it

[lost epoch]

My first run on it was an auric 4 histg it was wild

[somber axle]

The new mission is so fun for the big open final area

The multiple doors for enemies to filter through is really funny and I'm already seeing Psykers cling to the little staircase by the control panel for safety while poxwalkers climb up the stairs from behind without walking up them at all

The stairs are such an illusion of safety LOL

Tiny staircase cannot and will not protect you

[woven oak]

I really like that the end event is different each time

[delicate moat]

i lost a normal damn match but won a histg on the new map

this new map actually requires far more teamwork than other maps imo

[magic geyser]

i find a relatively safe spot to be up on the ladder platform where you need to press in two battery things. can stand in either corner and watch as the enemies climb one of three sides andcover all in a single field of view

and if you have a wide swinging weapon.... its free

[atomic zephyr]

is histg on the new map more intense than usual or is it just skill issue

[delicate moat]

its super intense on new map yes

[woven oak]

Is pretty intense

[delicate moat]

compared to other map

other map histg is cakewalk compared to new map

[atomic zephyr]

i mean its great fun but this is the current state of my team (i am serenna)

[delicate moat]

especially because a bunch of gunners/snipers on open map makes it harder to deal with

[near sable]

laspistol with ghost

walk into the open and click heads simple as

[magic geyser]

cryptek all set to hardcarry

[magic geyser]

[atomic zephyr]

a plogryn spawned

[pine pebble]

Does anybody know if good?

[magic geyser]

smh cryptek how could you have let us down

[magic geyser]

no

[somber axle]

There's a really satisfying doorway you can drop down from directly in front of the gate leading to the underground room for breaking the ice on the cogs

Made for a very quick way to speed down to that objective

[near sable]

umgak

[somber axle]

Drop down 1 floor directly into the next room fast

[tall torrent]

This is not good unfortunately

U need headtaker + brutal momentum + unarmored perk

[magic geyser]

yeah i used that thinking that the icebreak objective was next, i didnt realize second run that the objectives were randomized objective didnt come

[soft island]

i c

[somber axle]

The trick is just getting up it in the chaos. I did notice a Psyker scurry up the ladder while I was mulching hordes with my chainsword though so they probably were pretty safe up there

[tall torrent]

The real question is

What’s gonna be mercantile’s end event strat now

[lost epoch]

Which one is that

[somber axle]

Is that carnival

Because yeah I agree it needed a change

[tall torrent]

Carnival first map

Amphitheatre final event

[somber axle]

People hug that little shadowy entrance

Force them into the arena proper with the breakdancing clown

[magic geyser]

yeah, Carnival was cheesed way too hard with that area, occasional spawn from behind, other than that it was cheese the front all the way

[somber axle]

It's more fun to fight through the stands or breakdance between gates to shut them

[idle carbon]

not sure if this was shown yet, but here are the flashlight changes for the infantry lasgun, recon lasgun, infantry autogun, and shredder

[finite seal]

yall is this a good roll or am I just bad for thinking I can horde clear with this, it can horde clear well but only on its alt fire, and even then I just end up either not using it at all or trying (and failing) to kill specialists because my axe is somehow outperforming it in almost everything 😭

[somber axle]

But like 10 times out of 10 if you go upstairs or into the main circle bouncing between gates your 3 other squadmates will cower in fear in their little corner

[magic geyser]

i liked standing right underneath one of the gates enemies hop over, or on the side of it on the staircase leading into the exit

[tall torrent]

Autoguns have better flashlight it seems?

Or is it lower lumen but wider coverage

Need to see in a dark environment

[bitter turtle]

alr fuck this going back to drawing

[somber axle]

Oh also has anyone experimented with Manstopper Scattershot on the Double Barrel Shotgun yet

[bitter turtle]

3 aborted missions

[somber axle]

That's my first go to blessing combo to toy with the instant I get that weapon

[tall torrent]

No, primarily because man-stopper is usually acquired from random drop at brunt’s cuz it’s a tier2 blessing

[idle carbon]

it looks like autogun flashlights are dimmer but wider

[somber axle]

Makes sense

Time to pull out the low level Vet and spam buy/upgrade the Double Barrel Shotgun

[tall torrent]

I’m gonna try to get a good shock maul

[clear mist]

is the alt attack on the maul good?

[tall torrent]

Gonna become a Rashad / mk3 maul enjoyer

[somber axle]

NEAT more reasons to love my Recon

[bitter turtle]

i was using the buffed mk7 recon

[austere mica]

Certified goofy build for double barrel

Thoughts?

[bitter turtle]

at least maniac dont take forever to kill now

[somber axle]

It's almost like the devs know I exist and wanted to make me happy. They probably don't know I'm here but I am immensely grateful for all the changes to Recons

[bitter turtle]

big improvement for that

[lost epoch]

What did they do to recons? 👀

[somber axle]

The new massive magazine size and higher rate of fire makes the Recon Mk VId crazy fun as a laser heavy machine gun

[lost epoch]

THE ONLY MONEY I WANT IS PLATSTEEL AND ORDO DOCKETS

[tall torrent]

<@&735928989146939404>

[dreamy lantern]

thx

[tall torrent]

[umbral scaffold]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

cryptobros

not even once

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

gottem

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/crypto-crypto-scammers-scammers-bitcoin-bitcoin-scammers-gif-26286627

[harsh ridge]

pain

[somber axle]

Significantly buffed the damage of the Mk II and Mk VIIa. Improved the ADM profile against Maniac for all Recons. Improved reserve ammo on the Mk VIIa. Improved the magazine size and rate of fire of the Mk VId. They also nerfed the ADM profile of the Mk II and Mk VIIa against Flak/Unyielding at near distance. Recon Mk VId got a slower reload/swap speed but from what I saw the nerf is marginal compared to the significant increases to damage across the board

[lost epoch]

Hot

[somber axle]

Massive buffs to the weapons and I would recommend trying them all out now

Especially the Mk VId

It feels like a totally new gun with the change to the magazine size and rate of fire

[bitter turtle]

i actually tried both 6 and 7

but i feel like the 7 is a lot better idk

at least on the new map with all those narrow corridors the cleave does a lot

idk about 2

i dont have one that's rmeotely decent

[tall torrent]

Because it is

[somber axle]

The Mk VIIa was always better for a more standard build. The Mk VId only surpasses their sisters when paired with Onslaught, Rending Strikes and Deadshot for a funny combo

If you play the clown way the others fall behind

But if you play like a normal person the other two are better

They're all pretty solid guns regardless though and now you can pretty solidly say the worst weapon in the game is the Shredder Autopistol. The Recons are nowhere close to the performance of that weapon anymore

Columnus Infantry Autogun got a tiny nerf tap to crit strings but otherwise is probably still in the top three meta weapons list

I didn't really read the changes to the other weapons tbh

[bronze trout]

Ugh why melk, so close

[winter grove]

What's the deal with shock maul

[austere mica]

Alright I reconfiguired

(for use with double barrel and a knife or smth)

[tall torrent]

A tier

[near sable]

[winter grove]

what it do

[tall torrent]

Kill everything

Except boss dmg is shit

[somber axle]

Yeah that's a fantastic roll tbh. Headhunter/Dum Dum is slightly higher DPS at closer ranges vs Infernus being slightly better at longer ranges

[near sable]

had this since the last time recons were good

[somber axle]

I'm sure it must melt Muties like a hot lasknife through butter with that Maniac perk and the new buffed ADM vs Maniac

[near sable]

not so sure the boltpistol/double barrel can sway me from my old laspistol/lasgun ways

[frank basin]

They are your replacement

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-neo-upgrades-agent-sunglasses-gif-17921941