veteran-class

[torn gorge]

kinda poor reach as well tbh

the maul

have you not noticed delay in mixing heavy and lights vs waves?

[sturdy herald]

I've been replaying Doom 2016 right now so the double barrel is hitting me hard with Super Shotgun vibes.

[celest rock]

Managed to snag one with full bore 4 and speedload 4. Not the best but it actually feels pretty great

[torn gorge]

like H2L1 or L1H2 @formal lake

[sturdy herald]

What does your uptime on Full Bore feel like?

[slow spade]

I'm a damage whore so I'd go scattershot and manstopper

[torn gorge]

ye but as i said there seems to be a delay

[wanton dawn]

I need to try if new sunder means integrating heavy on boss rotation

[torn gorge]

compared to other weapons

with identical combo loops

[celest rock]

Not super high? But you don't really need it to be. The gun deals enough damage on its own even in damnation. But against monstrosities/crushers/muties, full bore plus the alt fire hits like a thunder hammer

[torn gorge]

i feel like i have to input the light attack twice

[celest rock]

Speedload feels WAY better than I thought it would

[wanton dawn]

Probably helps bp as alternative to push also

[sturdy herald]

Fair enough.

What perks are you running?

[celest rock]

Im not all the way sold on full bore. Flak/maniacs

[sturdy herald]

Not sure what would be best for BPs.

[sturdy herald]

Thanks, that sounds super reasonable.

[slow spade]

I wonder what the psykers think about the new stuff

[celest rock]

Full bore feels GOOD, not GREAT. Speedload actually feels very impactful

[slow spade]

"Where's my staff"

[wanton dawn]

And again, sunder means we also benefit from ogryn aura

[midnight totem]

its secrets of the machine god not psyker god

[torn gorge]

shock maul should work for them since they get better stam recovery

[midnight totem]

silly witches

[celest rock]

Put both barrels into an oncoming mob and you can max stacks on speedload instantly

[wanton dawn]

Thats what, 40%+ on heavy ?

[slow spade]

True :p

[slow spade]

My psyker friend just told me "wake me when the crafting update hits"

[bleak cradle]

Our weapons are still better than any of the new ones imo. Maybe the shotty can do something

We have the dsiv haha

[slow spade]

Yeah the psyker exclusive stuff feels like the best for them

[wanton dawn]

Also can someone try if blessing crit increase was properly coded to melee only ?

[slow spade]

I have a payker friend who has played since launch

He hasn't stopped using purg staff since he hit lvl 15

[bleak cradle]

Its ok. Considered the worst of the staves atm. According to our chat

[slow spade]

He has very choice words for the psyker discord

None of them nice

Yeah really a shame

Was hoping we'd finally see a new staff 😔

[wanton dawn]

So who eat the best this patch ? Vet or big dude ?

[bleak cradle]

My blaze trauma is offended

[faint beacon]

Blessings got slight tweaks to them but I doubt they’ll get picked up

[tame lichen]

PS feels a lot weaker

[bronze trout]

Shock Maul mk3 gets a big thumbs up, even with shitty blessings I got it feels very good and the stun is situationally very nice

[torn gorge]

mk1 is not much different

worse sweep

i concur

which is why i dont get the release of 2 marks with similar movesets but not different strenghts

[visual pendant]

Wack

[bronze trout]

Is there a list of the blessings for the shock maul? Not having to look forward to grinding them again

[agile forge]

Is CIAG still god?

[dim citrus]

This decent?

[languid dune]

Back from work and updating now, brief opinions on the new weapons?

[wanton dawn]

Ciag is not really "god" on vet. But thats mostly cuz it is not the best at abusing ws

[midnight totem]

Okay

I just got DC'd from the new mission

twice

I am very annoyed

[wanton dawn]

Its patch day, wye

[midnight totem]

reee

[somber axle]

CIAG WAS NERFED??

It truly is Christmas

[wanton dawn]

"Barely"

[languid dune]

What is CIAG? Out of the loop

[torn gorge]

Karsolas has the overall better moveset

[somber axle]

Time to read those patch notes

[wanton dawn]

Ciag went from 4 crit chain to 3

[languid dune]

Or at the very least, can't remember

[torn gorge]

You can still 3 hit a crusher with lights

[wanton dawn]

It is a nerf but mostly if you were using deadshot

[languid dune]

Oh is CIAG the Columnus?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[languid dune]

Gotcha

[somber axle]

ARE YOU KIDDING LMFAO

Recon Mk VId got a FIRE RATE INCREASE??

[visual pendant]

They didn't fix close range right?

[somber axle]

I CAN'T WAIT TO FEEL THIS

This is going to mean even better value from Onslaught from the Recon Mk VId

[midnight totem]

There you are

I was tellin' Gale that this is your update

[last parcel]

wep spec + celery recon

[balmy flume]

Wait are Recons actually good finally

[wanton dawn]

Celeri ? Like a vegetable ?

[last parcel]

yes

[proper delta]

yeah imma try and make this boltpistol work

[last parcel]

I like peanut butter with my celery

[midnight totem]

kicked out of a third game

gonna take a short break

[visual pendant]

Good enough I suppose

[somber axle]

Dodge, sprint and aimed movement increased on ALL Recons
Recon Mk II given significant buffs to damage and armour damage modifiers
Recon Mk VId given fire rate and magazine size upgrade (magazine size DOUBLED)
Recon Mk VIIa buffed on damage and given reserve ammo upgrade

CIAG nerf dropped crit string from 4 to 3

Can't wait to feel how the new Recons perform

[midnight totem]

There are some nerfs to them though

mostly the II and the IIa

[balmy flume]

Damn, seems I have a lot to do when after real life has improved. Almost miss the game now.

[somber axle]

VIIa got a tiny nerf to damaging two armour types in close range

[midnight totem]

same for II against flak and unyieldin'

[somber axle]

The Mk VIIa will perform worse against Flak and Unyielding at whatever is considered Near distance

so don't try to melee Flak Ragers with it

and good luck trying to shoot a Bulwark in your face (just swap melee please)

[midnight totem]

but your beloved 6d? pure buffs

[wanton dawn]

Imagine using a ranged that is bad against flak on vet

[tall torrent]

Not nerfs

[somber axle]

Reload and weapon swap speed slowed

Otherwise VId made out like a king

[wanton dawn]

Hence the rule hold true. No good patch without recon nerf

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are where those new ADMs are kicking in. What makes them struggle more is that neither one has the fire rate to make use of Onslaught so you'll need a good melee answer to Maulers and Flak Ragers

[tall torrent]

Isn’t 7a’s base dmg 33% higher

[somber axle]

Do the numbers crunch out to being higher damage against those two armour types compared to pre-patch?

[tall torrent]

x1.33 x.075 is like 99.75%

Basically identical as before

[somber axle]

Even despite the significant reduction in damage on the ADM?

That makes sense

[wanton dawn]

I guess it makes rending better ?

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes will at least be more valuable on the Mk II and Mk VIIa

[tall torrent]

Yea for mk2 just take 10% rending, should be enough now

[somber axle]

Could be some fun value in running a Marksman's Focus 10 stack 10% rending build comboing with Rending Strikes

They can't really enjoy Onslaught but maybe they don't need to

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but... mf on recon

[hearty panther]

fukken weird my veteran auto aborts mission lobbies

I can't figure out why

[somber axle]

Yeah the hit registry on Recons for MF always felt off

[proper delta]

would using boltpistol on a bolter build be fine y'all think

[wanton dawn]

Define bolter build

[full nacelle]

do I buy?

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

plus if you run MF on a Recon you're not using Focus Target + Target Down. You're getting 10% more rending (exclusively on 10 stacks of MF) but you're losing out on the stamina/toughness gain on pinged target kill and losing out on the extra damage of Focus Target

MF Recon Mk II/Mk VIIa is probably the good call but wow it's going to be awkward especially if you enjoy Deadshot with a Recon

and you'll need to maintain 10 stacks to make it punch better against Flak/Unyielding

[tall torrent]

Why MF on recon

[still flare]

Are recons any good or we still schleep

[somber axle]

10 stack 10% rending could be a solid way of boosting the damage vs armour types it struggles on

[still flare]

Oh my b here we are lol

[tall torrent]

10% rending at 10 stacks has never been good nor will ever be good

Just take 10% in middle tree

[tall torrent]

Still point tax hell

But better than before

[pseudo spade]

new weapons r lame

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II got significant buffs to damage and improved ADM vs Maniac but got nerfs vs other ADMs
Recon Mk VId got magazine increase, attack rate increase and improved ADMs vs Unarmoured and Maniac while only seemingly being nerfed in a reduction to reserve ammo, nerf to swap speed and nerf to reload speed
Recon Mk VIIa got damage and impact increase, buff to reserve ammo and nerfs to damage in Near range vs Unyielding/Flak

[wanton dawn]

Is recon good now ? No

[somber axle]

Tbh I think Recon Mk VId is strictly buffed

The Recons across the board will perform better, and they'll be better against Maniac where they previously struggled

The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are being shoved into a long-mid range shooter. Don't take them into close range because their damage vs Flak/Unyielding drops off significantly

[wanton dawn]

Recon longlas confirmed ?

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId from patch notes seems as though it is meant to be ready to engage at any distance

How would you compare it to the Boltgun or Helbores?

[faint beacon]

From what I’m hearing they’re trying to make them a pocket helgun

[somber axle]

I think those two have the two worst draw speeds in the game

[somber axle]

Soldier 69 made a Laspistol Mk II build that did 3600 DPS on a Crusher using it so idk

that's a Psykanium meme but with some tweaks to the talent tree he used it could be Auric ready

Maintaining 10 stack MF on a Laspistol is much easier to do

[tall torrent]

Psykanium meme is not very relevant to me

[somber axle]

I live on Psykanium memes brought to life in real matches

[crude fiber]

took a break from the game, loving the double barrel so far. i bet sneaky cat loves the mk6 recon

[still flare]

I'll test when I get home, but based on all that I don't think recons overcame the massive hole they were in to be competitive

[wanton dawn]

You can make a 3k6 dps crusher video with ciag. Without rending

[still flare]

Sadge

[somber axle]

I haven't played yet tbh

Only just woke up

Soldier 69 did it while spending only 2 ammo

[junior needle]

If you exceed 3600 dps then it wont help you

[crude fiber]

much bigger mag and noticable firerate increase

[tall torrent]

U can also spawn rinda Karnak and smack her head for 10s straight

[junior needle]

apart from knowing that you got at least 3600

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

The damage and ammo economy vs Crushers ended up being really silly LOL

[junior needle]

That was a goober build

For making a point

Not practical

[somber axle]

Impractical is my middle name

I main Recons

[junior needle]

They're better now, but still not iag tier

Dps and ADM's have supposedly been normalized

However the 6d still has the worst ammo efficiency

So 7a seems to be objectively the best one

[somber axle]

I think IAGs are meant to have better damage because they can't benefit from Shock Trooper

If you ever put Recon damage profiles above IAG you have totally destroyed any reason to ever use them

[junior needle]

Meanwhile laspistol

[somber axle]

Even if you put them on the same playing field you have completely ruined IAGs

[proper delta]

what builds yall using for boltpistol that i can just rip off

[somber axle]

They need to remain behind even if only slightly (and tbh right now it sounds like it's a bit more than slightly) to keep IAGs relevant

[junior needle]

No one said they need to have higher dps than iag's

[jade estuary]

have smart people already worked out breakpoints? seems like 25 flak/unarmored gives me 1 shot headshot on bruisers with h1. but idk how much of a diff skullcrusher 3 to 4 makes so 🤷

[junior needle]

As long as the overall strengths can come to par, it's fine

It can excel in ammo efficiency, if not dps

[sullen scarab]

Both mauls good, or is there a clear favorite? Haven't gotten to upgrade one yet

[tall torrent]

SC3 vs SC4 is a pretty big difference yes
Because u reach max SC stack (8) in 2 hits instead of 3

[tall torrent]

Mk3 seems better, very flexible moveset

[sullen scarab]

ok, I'll upgrade that one first

[wanton dawn]

Link me patch day youtuber build plz

[sullen scarab]

the moveset did feel better when I was dicking around with it

[crude fiber]

new silly firerate build

[sonic river]

Have any of you smart people figured out whats strong af yet

[idle estuary]

I think the mk2 slaps now with crit and rending, mows through everything and has enough ammo to not hog it all now

[idle estuary]

Yeah THIS, actual minigun shit

[jade estuary]

what are you running for properties then? unyieldin/cara?

[somber axle]

If the weapons could do Crusher killing in 5 ammo spent in a perfect crit string, and 6-9 ammo spent on your usual expected crit strings then the Recons were already beating even the CIAG on ammo efficiency tbh

[tall torrent]

[H1 > L4] for horde

SP > L2 > L3 for stagger into single target

L1/H1 > [H2 > H3] for single target beat down

[junior needle]

The clown setups are not representative of normal comparisons

[tall torrent]

It’s the first weapon I’ve seen that does weird H1 > L4 combo

[somber axle]

The clown set ups also just got even funnier for TTK/DPS

[wanton dawn]

Sunder ps+get hot plasma or revolver ws agile shout probably silliest setup rn

[sullen scarab]

Oh yeah, is Sunder worth it now?

[wanton dawn]

Always was

[sullen scarab]

I have a MKVI with sunder 4 on it

[jade estuary]

hmm..how important is crowd control then cause uh

[junior needle]

By the way, how do I erase my scoreboard history? I heard you need to clean it now and then.

Otherwise it gets too beeg and drags down performance

[sullen scarab]

also uh oh, my game crashed when I loaded mods and opened up melk's contracts lol

[wanton dawn]

It is in appdata folder. Just need to put data out of scoreboard filder

In other word, scoreboard mod load all the folder at once

[tall torrent]

Can I just delete it in game

Or I have to actually find the file and delete

[wanton dawn]

Yeah, if you like to do one at a time

[timid wolf]

Anyone else find the bolt pistol, meh?

[junior needle]

Appdata>roaming>fatshark>darktide>scoreboard history

[timid wolf]

Or am I missing something

[proper delta]

im just gonna run boltpistol on my revolver build and double barrel on my knife build

[wanton dawn]

Well, if boltgun is like bolter then it is probably meh

And i like bolter

[sharp epoch]

they buffed bolter explosions

[timid wolf]

The stagger is still meh, the explosion bonus even wit the perk doesn't seem noticable.

[wanton dawn]

More consistent dh wake up it is then

[steep sinew]

is the new recon lasgun even worth it to run afte the buff?

[sharp epoch]

it is now op

[junior needle]

They're "ok"

Definitely not OP, not even iag tier

[wanton dawn]

It is now po

[tall torrent]

Still point tax hell but better than before

[junior needle]

The 7a is likely the best one

[steep sinew]

Cool so not worth it

[tame lichen]

bolt pistol feeling like revolver on roids

[steep sinew]

Doesnt that one not have reverse damage falloff?

[junior needle]

None of them have reverse falloff anymore

[tall torrent]

Most guns are point tax hell if u rly dive into their intricacies

[sharp epoch]

i feel like they need to make at least one build of vet be ranged only similarly to how psyker performs as theyre both the ranged class

[steep sinew]

Im kinda mad that bolt pistol doesn't share the same blessing pool as bolter

[grand perch]

the double barrels bash is pretty good, knocks down ragers

[tall torrent]

I just love the assault crosshair they added

[steep sinew]

Veteran just got dumped on afte patch 13. I get b4 patch 13 vet was op but nerfing vet into the ground yet giving the reload on ult to ogryn and just being a pain in the ass to play is not the answer.

[pearl granite]

any idea what perk and blessing should I have on bolt pistol? 😄

[tall torrent]

What’s the Boltgun crosshair rn

[timid wolf]

I find the bolt pistol too hard to aim, reminds me of the bolter... Not enough of a buff to beat the revolver imo

[pearl granite]

trying to figure out what's next

[proper delta]

boltpistol is fun i will use it just like the bolter which is also fun

[steep sinew]

there is literally no point to getting the keystones on vet. I literally stopped playing vet as a vet main and switched to psyker and zealot

[last parcel]

[tame lichen]

[tall torrent]

There’re few talents as valuable as keystone even on veteran

[languid dune]

What even is considered the best IAG? I've always used CIAG

At least with Executioner

VoC I run Brauto

[steep sinew]

Mark 1 is pretty good

[hearty panther]

instant max momentum stacks for one ranged kill

[sharp epoch]

Weapon spec really only works woth revolver or plasma pretty much

[junior needle]

That one

[languid dune]

It still best after the Crit nerf today?

[grand perch]

i literally 100% all penances yesterday and now theres new ones

[languid dune]

I'd imagine

Since it wasn't massive

[tall torrent]

There’re new penances??

Show

Oh that

[faint beacon]

Okay I know this isn’t effective at all but I had an idea regarding Stunned Expression with shock mauls

[dreamy spade]

Lmao, just tested all the new weapons, can you guess which one I like most

[tall torrent]

Ok

[faint beacon]

You’d think it pair well with Hammer blow

[languid dune]

Ah that's not too bad then

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah I was making that no matter what Skullcrusher + High voltage

But i had a silly idea come across me of just what if I banked on staggering and the chance to shock on stagger

[pearl granite]

does scattershot have level 4?

[faint beacon]

I tend to think of gimmicky play styles once I get the main one locked down

[pearl granite]

okay, thanks for the answer. guess hadron hates me cuz I have been getting like... 10 scattershot 3

and about the same amount of run & gun

[faint beacon]

I might see what if it’s even useful for like mixed hordes, obviously crushers what’s the point

But I do want to see if it’s even worth it

[sour elbow]

I found a thing.

[umbral eagle]

Usable? Was thinking of trying out that lethal proximity perk instead of deadly accurate to see how it does

[midnight totem]

unless the explosion detonation staggers a crusher in close proximity

its useless

[faint beacon]

No it’s just useless in general apparently

Just get Surgical

[tall torrent]

Wait what

Crit CDR finally nerfed?

That wasn’t mentioned in patch notes right

[analog mural]

They probably nerfed it so more people would use the sauls

[somber axle]

We're in the early days of new weapons so I don't think anyone can really offer concrete info on this yet

If the vibes feel right take it into the fight

[timid wolf]

Bolters need their stagger back

[carmine cradle]

so uh, they werent kidding when they said "rounded up"

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-star-wars-prequel-boba-fett-boba-fett-yep-gif-13194669

[carmine cradle]

turns out, when your gun only holds 2 shots

[zenith hinge]

crusher nerfs? what they do?

[carmine cradle]

this effectively means u get half your capacity on every melee kill

[tall torrent]

Atk speed

[tall torrent]

It’s been like this for every other gun

1 ammo back no matter what

[carmine cradle]

i mean, true

but that matters MORE on guns with less ammo between reloads

and a lengthy reload

it uh
fucking MULCHES chaff
bonk, shotgun, bonk, shotgun, bonk, shotgun, bonk, shotgun

and when that shotgun is dealing a casual like 750 damage per shot...

[faint beacon]

Called it, knew WS would be good with the DB

[carmine cradle]

i have never minced walkers so quickly in my life

[zenith hinge]

does deathspitter stack, and is it lost on weapon swap, and does it apply to subsequent enemies hit by the same attack that triggered it?

[carmine cradle]

this is actually better at mulching them than powersword

unironically

[faint beacon]

They wanted it to be an aggressive playstyle so I immediately had a feeling it would work well with it

[carmine cradle]

oh its FANTASTIC

burns througha mmo insanely fast tho

[tall torrent]

Veteran is lore accurate doom guy

[carmine cradle]

like seriously, the rate you can output rounds out of this gun

with this build

is kinda absurd

[tall torrent]

Now I have a question

[zenith hinge]

I think the main strength is the crit chance. kill 3 enemies and your bubble darrel is a guaranteed crit

[tall torrent]

If I fire 1 shot (1 ammo remaining)

Then I brace fire the 2nd shot

Would that 2nd shot be dealing 2x dmg

[carmine cradle]

im not sure

[somber axle]

Kinda sad the Boltpistol doesn't get the extra skins from the Chemzone weapon skin pack

[tall torrent]

Because normally, brace firing it is to fire both shots at once for 2x dmg

[somber axle]

they're probably saving it to sell later

[carmine cradle]

i couldnt tell how brace firing with only 1 shot was working

[tall torrent]

None of the new weapons have skins from previous packs

[carmine cradle]

i think it still increases spread

which in the case of using it to clear hordes

is good

[zenith hinge]

is deathspitter any good as a blessing?

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

[carmine cradle]

you thought this talent was stupid normally? wait until u try this build

[zenith hinge]

this. brace firing does more than double damage to begin with so yeet

[zenith hinge]

double barrel

[carmine cradle]

by the holy emperor

[wheat lion]

Anyone know a good post-update recon las build?

[tall torrent]

No

[junior needle]

7a seems to be the best overall now

[zenith hinge]

doesnt stack or just better choices?

[twin ingot]

anyone got this bug?

[junior needle]

Let me put something together real quick

[visual pendant]

Also brace isn't 2x, it's like 2.5x

[tall torrent]

Both

[carmine cradle]

so yeah, go grab your favorite axe or shovel and a double barrel

and have fun turning hordes into dust

[wheat lion]

I mean the alocation of talent points for a character build.

[carmine cradle]

its goofy but hella fun

[junior needle]

That's what I'm putting together for you

[wheat lion]

ah.

[twin ingot]

Um everyone looks like all Antax axes are 100%

[carmine cradle]

heres what i ran

my favorite shovel

[junior needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c5f836f-ef3a-44fb-8943-8c7d57fcf318

You can use this as a starter to take whatever keystone you want. 5% crit is a cheap and decent all around pickup as well due to recons still having crit strings and also being inordinately reliant on shocktrooper. You can take precision strikes instead of supp immunity but recons have shit base finesse and their shots spread a ton when suppressed while ads, instead of their usual near pinpoint accuracy.

[carmine cradle]

and a pretty dang basic double barrel

youd want, idk

flechette obviously

oh man stopper

flechette and man stopper

[slow spade]

I wonder how much cleave the new shotgun has

[tawny badger]

I like the funny bolt pistol

[tall torrent]

Don’t take serrated blade outside of mercy killer knife

[junior needle]

Saw some dude take puncture/explode bolt pistol in auric 5's

[carmine cradle]

these 2

[junior needle]

Pour one out for him

He doesn't know

[carmine cradle]

u cant stop me

[tawny badger]

he sure was confident

[slow spade]

Its worth a try but you'd think they'd try in psykerium

[junior needle]

Was my first game in months, I only shit the bed a little

Still got the best score by far, was a nice feeling

Had to unfuck my keybinds during it too

[slow spade]

I fell off a ledge and cost us an auric game once

It happens :c

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

[slow spade]

D:

[carmine cradle]

but yeah, horde clear veteran is gooooooooooooooooooooood

and hella fun

go play it!

[junior needle]

None of the new weapons appeal to me

[slow spade]

Brb buying a double barrel and a single shotgun shell

[carmine cradle]

i refuse to believe u dont want double barrel shotgun

[junior needle]

I'm addicted to the zarona

Every time I take another weapon

I feel just how much worse it is

[slow spade]

Oh thank you for informing c:

Seems pretty good :D

[atomic zephyr]

zarona more like zzzzzzzz

[slow spade]

Will have to mess with it

[carmine cradle]

well damn, thanks hadron

[uncut pebble]

60% damage...

[slow spade]

The first blessing seems good at least

[carmine cradle]

it being fired at chaff

and its gonna have 100% chance to apply 6 bleed

and 100% crit chance

im not worried XD

[atomic zephyr]

mk3 maul is great at least

[uncut pebble]

As long as you can 1shot ragers, I don't see an issue with it.

[slow spade]

Oh poxwalkers don't get 1-shot?

[carmine cradle]

time to feed shotgun to the voide until i get bleed 🙂

[slow spade]

Ah

Interesting

I'll keep that in mind

More dog damage too UwU

[vale ledge]

Did a new shop rotation release today? (I wish it to be cosmetics for da new bolb pistol)

[slow spade]

That's Thursday right?

[carmine cradle]

no bleed shotgun 😦

[uncut pebble]

No.

[somber axle]

SDLKFSLDF

ok so you can't interrupt your boltpistol reload to use the special bash attack

so don't try to shove poxbursters with a boltpistol if you're stuck in the reload

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-update-nothing-dissappointment-gif-9922939

[near sable]

shoot them instead..

[tawny badger]

shoot them point blank

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-joker-gif-21105459

[tawny badger]

listen to the voices
shoot them shoot them shoot them shoot them shoot th

[near sable]

i should reinstall the game

probably

[dim citrus]

Which one is better?

[grand perch]

gotta say, like the pistols feel

[dreamy spade]

case 2193210893708 of no hit reg

[somber axle]

the reload speed is pretty glacial without any talents boosting it too

[lunar sedge]

He he

Vet bros

We are so back

[unique orchid]

[lunar sedge]

Low graphics really doing bad on this one

That's actually a new 'ultra-mega-super-deluxe" set theme for all classes

[pseudo fiber]

get a load of this

[near sable]

mobility implies the ability to retreat

retreat is c o w a r d i c e

https://tenor.com/view/экстерминатус-бабай-великолепный-бэбэй-бебей-gif-17986446467396080512

[somber axle]

Ok Boltpistol feels pretty good

I ran it without Determined to feel the suppression and it definitely needs that talent because being suppressed kicks your aim pretty hard

You probably also want to grab at least one reload speed increase talent too because the reload speed is incredibly slow

Faster than Boltgun and fast enough to maintain Exe Stance comfortably on refreshes

still feels very sluggish

Tbh the lower clip size makes it feel a little worse than Boltgun for extended fights and idk if it has damage falloff or not but it definitely felt like it was taking extra shots to put down targets at range that my Boltgun would've put down in 1 or 2 less shots

Very fun weapon as far as the sound and visual design though

It feels VERY fun to fire the weapon

[pearl granite]

not sure if bolt pistol is weak or the guy is bad, but I just watch a dude spent 2 mags to kill 3 specials...

[somber axle]

Probably just a player struggling to aim it

[unique orchid]

The boltpistol is here, i am shifting from Sgt. John "Shootman" Warhammer to Commissar James "Yellman" Warhammer

[somber axle]

The gun will comfortably put down specials in few shots

If you nail Mutie headshots while using Surgical/Deadly Accurate you can put them down pretty fast too

[pearl granite]

btw the only buff they give to boltgun is the extra ammo right?

[unique orchid]

My ass is not putting surgical on the bolt pistol im sorry dog

[somber axle]

Boltgun didn't get any changes

[pearl granite]

guess i'll try to look at my old boltgun

[unique orchid]

The boltgun got 20 extra ammo

[pearl granite]

I got this since the first month of game release iirc

[somber axle]

Surgical/Deadly Accurate feels like a solid combo if you can consistently aim and hit headshots but if you're bodyshotting then grab Glory Hunter for better sustain because you're going to take longer to kill things and they're going to get more chances to hurt you for it

[unique orchid]

Heard and word

[somber axle]

I grabbed all the rank IV blessings and I'm not sure what else would be a good combo on the Boltpistol yet

[unique orchid]

I love shooting center-mass

[somber axle]

Glory Hunter is on Elite Kill, not on Critical Elite Kill

So it's VERY good for sustain

[near sable]

glory hunter laspistol

[unique orchid]

What else does the pistol get for blessings anyhow? It get ShImpact?

[somber axle]

Execution and Lethal Proximity could be a fun combo if you like to bodyshot

[unique orchid]

I find it hilarious yet wonderful they added the arming distance

Very immersive, 40mm and other such grenade launchers work similarly

[unique orchid]

Probably DA and GH for me, i would take Puncture over GH if i was gonna use my knife

[pearl granite]

dont have any idea what to do with this 😂

[unique orchid]

However i am committing to James Commissar, chainsword and boltpistol SWEEP

[unique orchid]

Surgical for long distance, lethal for short

[pearl granite]

yeah, that's why...

[unique sorrel]

aiming on bolt pistol is so bad that i just want to use single hipfire shots and then put it away, so i guess WS

[pearl granite]

conflicting blessings

[unique sorrel]

but idk how to build blessings for it

[frank basin]

i knew moment drop boltpistol and people start become commissair fantasty

[somber axle]

I don't think anyone has tested breakpoints on the weapons to any serious degree yet so I'd probably focus more on blessings than perks right now

[unique orchid]

I'm him, ive BEEN him since the talent update

[somber axle]

Could swap Lethal Proximity to Deadly Accurate if you want to double down on crit weakspot damage being the focus, or swap Surgical to Execution if you want to use the explosions and stagger to give you bonus damage

[pearl granite]

another one 🤔

[unique orchid]

Im gonna put flak and maniac on my BP if i can

[frank basin]

i will spent every plasteel just collect blessing

level 4 blessing :))

[pearl granite]

been spending. think i burned 42k today

[near sable]

I am interested to see boltpistol on pskyer with all that nasty finesse damage

[pearl granite]

just for the pickaxes

[unique orchid]

Idk why i react very negatively to gun psyker and the two stealth skills

[unique sorrel]

this seems pretty good actually, assuming explosion radius affects all shots and not just added near shots

[pearl granite]

somehow I feel this one is no good on my bolt pistol

do I have to kill with its bash attack?

[near sable]

gunker with the agrippina auto with the right setup can do magical things with headshots

[unique orchid]

Far from the worst though

[unique sorrel]

fixed this patch

[unique orchid]

No

[unique sorrel]

(according to patch notes, havent tested)

[pearl granite]

so melee weapon kill will trigger this buff? 🤔

[unique orchid]

Supposed to

[pearl granite]

let me try...

oh yes, sword kill does trigger point blank

[unique orchid]

Which is fair, idk i just dislike gun psykers since they neglect the cool brain magic for number-go-up it feels

[unique orchid]

Might get that and Deadly Accurate on my BP then, ive got a chainsword built to spam heavies into hordes

That and deadshot

[hearty panther]

i cant figure out why my vet keeps crashing matches 😫

[unique sorrel]

i'll take a gun psyker over a vape pen staff user any day

[carmine cradle]

whats up with people putting numbers in their names?

[unique sorrel]

its my social security number

[frank basin]

on damnation a bolt round can't one hit poxwalker due to 700 hp, that's ridiculous

[unique orchid]

Nah dude like cmon like man like you just gotta take a puff man cmon

[unique sorrel]

that gunner is 100m away and gets drug tested man leave him alone

[unique orchid]

Brother does NOT get drug tested he is in the Traitor Regiment

[slow spade]

Purg staff psykers UwU

[pearl granite]

also I noticed that non-exploded bolt still deal same amount of damage, just no explosion. is this intended? 🤔

[unique orchid]

Yes

[somber axle]

I found someone running Lethal Proximity + Puncture and if the explosion applies the bleed to all targets caught in the radius then it could be a funny weapon for crowd clearing

[unique orchid]

Its basically emulating how a modern explosive projectile arms, based on distance (to keep it simple)

[slow spade]

Iirc someone already tested

It does not

[unique orchid]

Sadge

[somber axle]

ah ok so they're running a combo that doesn't work

[slow spade]

In a live match no less...

[somber axle]

it's the first day

[slow spade]

Its an easy psykerium test 😔

[unique orchid]

Just let bro cook damn

[slow spade]

Bro is cooking with broken glass though

[unique orchid]

He is in the kitchen, he has his apron and chef hat on

Let bro cook!

[slow spade]

D:

[unique orchid]

It would be fun if they let explosions proc bleed with like, a fragmentation blessing or something

[pearl granite]

wait, does +20% explosion radius from lethal proxi affect long range explosion? 🤔

[tall torrent]

Didn’t see this coming

[unique orchid]

Imagine Oggy rumblers bleeding an entire horde

[slow spade]

Sadly not in this update but good to see

[unique orchid]

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[pearl granite]

ive been keeping all the 370+ hadron bricked since forever ago

feels great man

[slow spade]

I wonder what bribe convinced the execs to let that go

[slow spade]

Same 😎

[unique orchid]

Once again props to StrawHat for baring their chest unwaveringly to the DarkTide community

[slow spade]

My inventory hurts to open

[candid bridge]

Are recon lasguns back on the menu?

[slow spade]

They are notably less shit

[pearl granite]

maybe, they got buffed a lot

[unique orchid]

Its more they are less off the menu, from what ive gathered

[slow spade]

Still being judged by the community

[quick glacier]

Finally! my hoarding tendencies have paid off.

[unique orchid]

They definitely could be back on the menu though

[tall torrent]

“Imagine all the weapon skins we can sell”

[slow spade]

Get rending though, their armor pen got nerfed

[pearl granite]

now we just need someone cook up a recipe that let recon lasgun kill boss in one mag

[unique orchid]

Im not very surprised, lasguns in lore have very little AP

[umbral cloud]

What sort of shenanigans can we do with the double barrel?

[tall torrent]

Become lore accurate doom guy

[unique orchid]

Rip and tear, until it is done

[slow spade]

Post-Patch 13 recon...

[umbral cloud]

[unique orchid]

I think zeallie is better for LADG

Has a bigger chainsword and a charge move, and is devoutly religious

[tall torrent]

What’s LADG

[unique orchid]

Lore Accurate DoomGuy

[tall torrent]

Well, zealot’s crit CDR just got nerfed

Very hard

[pearl granite]

is doom guy regilious tho?

[unique orchid]

Thats fine it was kind of overpowered lmao

[tall torrent]

Zealot is by far the biggest loser of this patch

[unique orchid]

He is a devout catholic

[tall torrent]

Not a single buff anywhere

[unique orchid]

Doomguy is actually capable of being the Pope he meets all the requirements

[slow spade]

Shock maul count?

[unique orchid]

And the dubbie

[slow spade]

Flamer is on suicide watch though

[unique orchid]

Personally though i think the Zeal nerfs are fine, those madlads would solo entire hordes a mile away from the team

[pearl granite]

crying for my flamer right now

[unique orchid]

Rip the flamer though

[umbral cloud]

Not Ogryn?

[tall torrent]

Stagger talent nerfed, and shock maul is not good vs boss

[unique orchid]

(What happened to the flamer)

[pearl granite]

nothing but they nerf fury into only buff melee

[slow spade]

Brb pouring amasec for the Zealots

[unique orchid]

Oggy got big bonkers

[tall torrent]

Crit CDR gutted (deserved)
FotF Armor downgrade no longer applies to ranged atks or DOT
Punishment’s +stagger effect cut by 83.3%

[umbral cloud]

I did think the stagger nerf was wild

[unique orchid]

Really? That has 'slain' the flamer?

[tall torrent]

Zealot has a lot worse ranged weapon variety if u pick a primary that doesn’t deal with carapace well now

[umbral cloud]

FotF a nerf but is it one that really impacts Zealots that much?

[slow spade]

Losing 100% rending is what we call "a big deal"

[tall torrent]

Flamer no longer cooks everything it touches with FotF so yes

[unique orchid]

Fair enough i suppose

I guess i am also talking reg damn or heresy, auric is a different beast

[umbral cloud]

Lost 100% ranged rending

[tall torrent]

BM change also good, no more ogryn 1 tapping 4 crushers in 1 hit

[slow spade]

The question was to flamer so omiting was fine

[elder fiber]

yeah no the bm change was absolutely called for. Its still goofy but mk5 shovel had no business doing that shit

[unique orchid]

Theyre just gonna do it with the picks

The ogryn yearn for the mines

[slow spade]

Pour some amasec out for the folding shovels

[elder fiber]

I'd rather pour it out for flamer

[tall torrent]

Pickaxes can’t 1 tap 4 crushers at once

[umbral granite]

I didn't want to shoot straight anyway game

[elder fiber]

flamer nerf is esp funny b/c overpressure is still bugged. Not a big deal, just icing on the cake

[slow spade]

Its a horde shooter, you'll still hit someone UwU

[pearl granite]

this one will help you do the famous curved shot

[spice wadi]

traitor guard wondering why 100% of loyalists are suddenly only using bolt pistols

[tall torrent]

It’s ok most commissars don’t shoot straight anyway

[north pebble]

recon lasguns better now?

[pearl granite]

yes, somewhat

[tall torrent]

Better than before, still point tax hell

[tame lodge]

I'd still avoid the mk2

Just for precaution

[north pebble]

i use the brown one but struggle in t5

[slow spade]

Get some rending, their armor pen got nerfed

[junior needle]

The mk2 seems better than the 6d, also better ammo efficiency

[junior needle]

Better baseline but also took adm hits

They're still mediocre

[umbral granite]

also the new shock mauls yea or nay because I'm liking the move set on the mk3

[north pebble]

so harder to kill scabs now?

[junior needle]

armor =/= flak

Different armor types took hits

[slow spade]

Overall buff but yeah the buffs made them "can compete with the Graia"

[candid bridge]

Am I reading the brutal momentum change right, is it for all classes or just ogryns shovel attacks?

[junior needle]

Graia brauto

[slow spade]

Only Ogryns could really abuse that

[slow spade]

Honestly idk why the armor pen nerf

Like columnus is just strictly better still

[junior needle]

Apparently to normalize adm's across the models

[slow spade]

Pain

[nimble wadi]

HI MOOTIFIOS

[junior needle]

And instead of using the good pen of the 7a

They used the mostly shit template of the 6d

[tall torrent]

All

Matters for Ogryn most

[slow spade]

Ah at least I can see where it came from

[junior needle]

So yeah you now want rending on all recons

[spice wadi]

[junior needle]

At least rending strikes

[candid bridge]

Gotcha, thanks

[slow spade]

At least the Ping Keystone is a solid pic even for recons

[tall torrent]

Ping keystone is always solid

It’s hard to not get benefit from 8% dmg mark + 7.5% dmg buff

[umbral cloud]

What about the CIAG change? Is it a big deal?

[tall torrent]

Mostly relevant for psyker, still very strong

Plasma buffed (because u can now set custom crosshair which makes it less cancer to aim)

[umbral cloud]

So gun pysker took a hit… pain 😂😭

[umbral cloud]

As an educated plasma gentleman, I approve

[tall torrent]

Assault crosshair my beloved

[tame lodge]

Hmmm, good to know

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[junior needle]

I did the numbers

[tall torrent]

Plasma def needs nerfs on cleave, but the crosshair change is really good overall

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is very sexy

[umbral cloud]

Don’t say this 😭

[somber axle]

when you did these numbers was this with or without a certain clown build

[umbral cloud]

They’ll end up turning the plasma into some potato shooter 😭

[somber axle]

or is this a baseline talentless grey item test

[junior needle]

This is a baseline using simple math from the stats

[tall torrent]

Nerf ≠ dmg nerf

[elder fiber]

plasma doesn't need the cleave on lmb lmao

[junior needle]

All recons now have the same adm's so benefit from rending talents the same

[somber axle]

Ah ok so clown build will probably still leave Mk VId as the top dog for damage/TTK on all targets

[tame lodge]

You get more RoF

[junior needle]

Damage has supposedly been normalized so all of them should have nearly the same dps.

[somber axle]

The big difference is that the Recon Mk VId can make good use of Onslaught while the other variants don't get anywhere near as much value from it

The increased fire rate is only going to put the disparity on value from Onslaught even higher

[junior needle]

The 6d also has the worst ammo efficiency

[somber axle]

You're going to hit max stack Onslaught brittleness on target much faster

[junior needle]

Not much faster than before

[somber axle]

The faster fire rate will also translate to faster stacks of Headhunter for faster crits for more crit strings in a shorter window for less ammo spent through Shock Trooper for bursts

But the faster fire rate is going to hurt on Deadshot

I need to feel how my stamina disappears now

[junior needle]

I uh

[somber axle]

It might be worth swapping one of my perks for +2 stam on my Recon Mk VId now LOL

[junior needle]

Don't think you understand that no matter your fire rate, your benefit from hh remains the same

As does your crit rate

[tall torrent]

Just put a +5% crit chance perk on there

[terse idol]

Wait a minute, point blank with weapo spec

Wait maybe that's not that good

[junior needle]

You'll see numbers pop up faster, but the rate at which you crit remains the same

[terse idol]

[somber axle]

I do understand this, I also understand that faster fire rate translates to stacking debuffs faster and benefiting from them in areas other weapons can't see the same value. The increased fire rate translates to higher DPS, better brittleness stacks and better TTK

If all the Recons have comparable ADM on Maniac

suddenly Onslaught pushes Recon Mk VId higher

[junior needle]

In terms of time, it gets faster. But in terms of how much damage the target takes before maxxing burn, it remains unchanged from before.

[somber axle]

The 5% crit chance wouldn't be worth imo

For the same reason you don't take Opening Salvo

There are better options

Deadshot + Headhunter is already a lot of crit chance

For the fast fire rate you'll be chaining crit strings very regularly

[junior needle]

Again, the fire rate hasn't changed anything about your crit rate

[somber axle]

Maxing burn from Infernus and maxing Onslaught stacks sooner will translate to better DPS/TTK

[somber axle]

The fire rate means faster HH stacks in a window

It's just how the numbers work

[junior needle]

Yes, but you're talking as though you're magically critting more than you used to because you're firing faster

[tame lodge]

It would rival surgical, although surgical has more uses out of melee combat

[slow spade]

Blaze Away plasma got nerfed from 8% to 7% UwU

[junior needle]

You are critting the same amount within the same amount of shots

[somber axle]

Yes, I am. I'll crit more often in a shorter window because the faster fire rate will stack HH faster than it could before

That's how it works

[junior needle]

You're not picking up what I'm putting down

[slow spade]

Unless the hit reg says no

[somber axle]

I'm very short so could you put it on the floor

I might be able to reach it

[last parcel]

[junior needle]

In terms of amount of crits for ammo used, your crit rate is unchanged. Yes, because you fire faster, you will get more crit in a certain window of TIME. But you do not get any more ammo efficiency from firing faster with the same damage.

[midnight totem]

You guys are arguing about the crit I'm just off chuckling at the thought of a whole platoon of guardsman and the light show they put off if they used the 6d

[junior needle]

That's all I'm trying to tell you

Nod if you get it

[somber axle]

Also I think the reason why Boltpistol has felt awkward for ranged shots is no Pinning Fire increasing the power of the weapon. Boltgun's PF blessing is helping push the damage into my satisfying 1 tap range more consistently for elites/specials and dropping breakpoints on Crushers substantially. I don't think Deadly Accurate and Surgical are enough to compensate for Pinning Fire/Surgical on a Boltgun

[junior needle]

Ammo efficiency has only gone up from the reserve increase

But ironically the 6d is still the least ammo efficient model.

[somber axle]

But Soldier 69
Bigger magazine makes clown neurons activate

Also tbh I'm ok with them pushing the Mk VId as the least ammo efficient model since a certain clown talent set up pushes it as the highest DPS weapon of the three

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/put-the-guns-down-gif-9173228553705484517

[umbral cloud]

6D goes Dakka Dakka REAL good

[junior needle]

There's no reason for it to be the least ammo efficient model since all the recons are supposedly tied for dps and ADM's now

[somber axle]

I wish I had more time to play today but I've got work in 2 hours and I can't really fuck around and find out today

[junior needle]

It just has worse ammo efficiency for literally no reason

[pearl granite]

more bolter buff when?

[tall torrent]

Here’s how the math works

5% crit chance on recon (2 string) translates to on avg 9.5% more crits across an entire match

2 more stamina for deadshot (-0.25/shot, -0.75/s) is not even 1s worth of +40% practical crit chance

[somber axle]

I don't believe they're tied for DPS tbh. The changes don't make the other Recons any better at Flak/Unyielding. If anything it makes them worse. On top of that the other variants can't be juiced into solid Crusher TTK/DPS while the Recon Mk VId can. At best they've got comparable DPS on Maniac and even there I think the Mk VId with clown build will edge them out and be top dog on DPS

[stiff merlin]

Yooooo (finally getting a chance to look at the notes) did Recon get a buff?

[brisk umbra]

What's the timed block stuff on the new maul?

[somber axle]

All the Recons got big buffs

[sterile phoenix]

How’s the assault shotgun?

[brisk umbra]

Like, is it just straight up blocking, or some wierd ass new parry style?

[junior needle]

The 2 and the 7a got large base damage boosts

If you read the patch notes

the 6d only got a rof increase

[somber axle]

Yeah now put them in Near range and watch the ADM turn that damage to piddly

[umbral cloud]

And magazine size?

[somber axle]

A Flak Rager in your face or a Bulwark shield raised walking into melee isn't going to care that the weapons perform fine at range

[stiff merlin]

Nice, love me some stronger flashlights

[umbral cloud]

I know it’s not extra ammo but less reloading = more dps

[junior needle]

We're talking dps

Eh, not quite.

[somber axle]

You'll really only get to enjoy Flak damage being passable on the II and VIIa when shooting at a Mauler because it's so slow you can keep them at the optimal range

[hearty panther]

i think a vet talent is crashing lobbies

but i have not narrowed it down yet

[tall torrent]

@somber axle for ur case, 5% crit chance is better

[umbral cloud]

Does the math not work that way?

[somber axle]

I already do triple stam curios and the +1 stam from under confirmed kill so an extra 2 stam to compensate for the higher rate of fire feels like it could be worth tbh

[junior needle]

Unless your goal is to calculate dps when magdumping bosses

No, you can kill a lot of targets on a mag of any recon

[tall torrent]

Like I said, the extra +2 stam doesn’t even translate to 1s of deadshot uptime

[junior needle]

They ALL have the same adm's now

[brisk umbra]

What to run on the Shock Maul? Thrust or High Voltage?

[somber axle]

I am sad that the locks were not removed this patch

but at least it is something to look forward to on the coming weapons customization update

whenever that happens

[umbral cloud]

I’m not

Because I think it’s being replaced with pain

[tall torrent]

The +5% crit chance will more consistently help u than +2 stam will

[junior needle]

Not to mention the mag size increase came at the cost of slower equip and reload speed for zero reason.

ZERO

[umbral cloud]

That’s actually true

[junior needle]

why

[last parcel]

counterpoint: +2 stam makes the bar funnier

[umbral cloud]

So probably works out the same uptime

[tall torrent]

[hidden torrent]

So uh

anyone else's server keeps crashing/

?

[somber axle]

I look at it more as the extra 2 stam means more uptime on Deadshot. 25% crit > 5% crit. Better uptime on Deadshot translates across the board as more damage, less sway firing at long range, more free shots from Shock Trooper, faster and more consistent stacking of Infernus and more damage. I'd rather have the extra leeway when firing on a target vs the 5% crit but I'll try both and feel them out whenever the locks are removed because as a clown I sense vibes and test them. And my current vibe is that I'd rather have the extra stam because HH/DS are already providing more than enough crit to make 5% more crit trivial

If you're always firing at 0 stam then yeah the 5% crit will be more useful

But don't do that

[brisk umbra]

High voltage, the shock damage when enemies are electrified, does it work when the enemies have a zap on them that you get always, or is it just from the special?

[junior needle]

5% crit is always active

You could also just take a damage talent like a normal person

[somber axle]

nothing about me screams normal

[tall torrent]

With 6d’s new firerate, u burn 5 stamina per second from firing (20rps x0.25 stamina/shot), and 0.75/second innately, so 5.75 stamina per second of firing
2 stamina gives u ≈0.35s more deadshot uptime, which is ≈7 shots having 40% practical crit chance

Doesn’t matter how u look at it, having a consistently working +9.5% crit chance active all the time simply outperforms that 0.35s deadshot uptime

[unreal bone]

Yo

[somber axle]

OH GOD THE DPS IS BETTER HHHH

[unreal bone]

I just got home

Did they buff Accatrans at all?

[somber axle]

hold on I can at least record this funny bit

[unreal bone]

In the new update?>

[somber axle]

Yes the Recons were all buffed

[unreal bone]

W

Are they good now?

Or useable atleast?

[somber axle]

I'd say yes

[tall torrent]

[unreal bone]

W

[junior needle]

They did, but still mediocre

[sterile phoenix]

Double barrel worth using?

[tall torrent]

[unreal bone]

Also

I just leveled this up

I think this is an okay roll

for literally only being home for 10 mins and booting up Darktide

[somber axle]

I just felt the new fire rate and it is SEXY

3600 DPS on a Crusher EASILY

[unreal bone]

Flak

[junior needle]

I'm doing some practical tests on the recons in the psyk with the same setup

[somber axle]

Going to record it one sec

[unreal bone]

Flak Maniac

what other blessing

do I want on boltpistol

Imagine if it can roll hand cannon

it'd be so joever

[junior needle]

Only a slight difference in crusher ttk with the 7a being the lowest, pretty much the same dps between the 6d and 2.

[somber axle]

Recon patch changes

[unreal bone]

HELL YEAH 2 is my favorite

[somber axle]

second screenshot for numbers

[unreal bone]

2 matches my green outfit

[somber axle]

first screenshot for dev explanations

[unreal bone]

I love Recon II

[junior needle]

It was the worst one before, easily

[somber axle]

I don't believe you

[junior needle]

Probably the lowest dps gun in the game

[somber axle]

Do 3600 DPS and record it on the Mk II and Mk VIIa right now

[junior needle]

1430-1470ish on both 2 and 6d

No perks, headhunter and dumdum on all

Swapping to infernus on the 6d didn't result in a dps increase

7a got about 1300~ dps

[somber axle]

oh ok talentless/grey

[junior needle]

But that's only on crushers

No, talented

[somber axle]

yeah do clown set up and get back to me

[junior needle]

No, clown setups aren't practical

[somber axle]

Mk II and Mk VIIa can't keep up once the clown is in town

[junior needle]

Also with blessings

[somber axle]

yes they are

I run them in aurics all the time

name something impractical about the talent tree I use

[junior needle]

Because you have masochistic tendencies

[somber axle]

if you say no Voice of Command I'll see you later

[somber axle]

yes but idk what that has to do with anything

[last parcel]

is this the 4th time you’ve had this conversation in 24 hours

[silk finch]

do vet feel squisher now ? did i miss something in patch

[somber axle]

probably yeah LMFAO

[tall torrent]

In a hypothetical scenario (30min mission, discounting ammo economy, firing for 40% of the match’s duration)

That’s 12 mins of continuous firing, which is a total of 14400 shots fired

A +5% crit chance perk makes ~1368 shots crits, on top of whatever crit chance u were stacking prior

2 stam on deadshot for 3.5s uptime is weirder because it’s technically the last part of the stamina u will regen, so u need to be back on full stam to take advantage of that bonus, let’s be generous say you get to use it 20% of the time (practically it’s definitely lower than 20%), so 20% of 12 mins is 2.4 minutes where you’re firing from max stamina:
2.4 x60 x20 x0.4 = 1152 shots will crit

So yea +5% crit chance is better

[cinder zephyr]

yes this math is certainly math

[silk finch]

ummm

[somber axle]

you can't hypothetical Focus Target + Target Down usage (and Duck and Dive but tbh I use Clown Quarters Kill Zone so that applies less)

[silk finch]

think i might of found a bug..

lul ?

[unique sorrel]

modded?

[silk finch]

nope

just went on the shop and saw it

[tall torrent]

What’s recon’s innate +stam amount

4?

[tawny badger]

nice n/a stat, though I'd personally dump n/a

[somber axle]

I've been on triple stam curios for so long I don't even know anymore

BUT I DID RECORD THIS

https://gyazo.com/5e5de938969644e92e2d8544eb08c710

the DPS/TTK is spectacular now

[tall torrent]

Then you get 2 (base) + 1 (talent tree) + 4 (recon) + 9 (curio) + 2 (perk) = 18 stamina

Which means each stamina bar is 5.5%

[last parcel]

kid named subtraction:

[somber axle]

use 10 ammo instead of 5 though

[serene bough]

Yeah didn't I go to bed reading this convo

[somber axle]

but that's ok

[silk finch]

is it something that will get fixed ?

[serene bough]

Or was it waking up

[tall torrent]

Target down is going going to regen ~2 bars per proc

[serene bough]

I don't remember

[unreal bone]

Yo

[somber axle]

less ammo efficiency, better DPS/TTK

[unreal bone]

I need some help

[somber axle]

I'll take that trade

[tawny badger]

I would imagine, yeah

[tall torrent]

Which like I’ve calculated prior, is roughly 1/3 second in deadshot uptime

[unreal bone]

I'm farming for blessings on the bolt pistol.

What is the last blessing I am missing?

Anyone know what that one is

[tall torrent]

You simply get more out of 5% crit chance

[somber axle]

18 stamina is now the dream

[tall torrent]

In the best case scenario for +2 stam recon

It’s still not as good as just getting +5% crit chance

[last parcel]

i woke up and took a shit while reading that convo, and now im taking another shit

[unreal bone]

Anyone?

[serene bough]

The endless recon hamster wheel

[junior needle]

Sneaky is impenetrable to reason

I've tried, doesn't work

[somber axle]

I can test the Mk II Recon on Crushers with a rending/crit build

[tall torrent]

Ik

[somber axle]

but it's not going to come close

RECORDING SOON...

[umbral cloud]

Is there an efficient way to unlock blessings?

[serene bough]

Farm and pray for a good roll

[tall torrent]

Buy weapons from brunt and upgrade to gold

[somber axle]

Spam upgrade weapons to blue status, don't upgrade to purple/gold

[last parcel]

post it one more time to make 4 and tie with soldier

[somber axle]

Focus on upgrading weapons with 355+ ilvl base rating I think

[tall torrent]

I’m not bored enough for that, I got a guide to update

[sinful swallow]

365

[somber axle]

365 it is

[last parcel]

imagine helping improve the community smh

[somber axle]

As the resident Recon Reclown I have proven that math and numbers just don't work when I'm around

Hypothetical and theoretical fail when the clown is in town

[serene bough]

or maybe youre just stubborn

[somber axle]

That's also true

I am

[serene bough]

well

[serene bough]

thats that for me then

[unreal bone]

This is my bolt pistol for now.

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

You're using it wrong

[umbral cloud]

Red pill or the blue pill 😭

[somber axle]

If you take that long to kill a Crusher with a Recon Mk VId you've failed to use it properly

[tall torrent]

U can reap tier 4 blessings from low rating weapons just fine

[unreal bone]

The second option

Yeah

I got a LOT of Tier IV blessings

I just bought 300k worth of bolt pistols

[tall torrent]

I’ve got 7/10 tier IV blessings from buying random mauls from brunt today

[somber axle]

Upgrading to gold works if you're flush with lots of plasteel and diamantine but otherwise you can probably save a lot more resources going blue first before pushing weapons to gold to try for any blessings you're missing

[unreal bone]

and leveled not even all of them up to blue

[serene bough]

generally speaking stop at blue unless its a good role

[unreal bone]

this is what I got

[serene bough]

that being said, you can purposely add a bad blessing to your blue then upgrade to gold

[tall torrent]

If ur farming for IV blessings then gold is the way to go

[unreal bone]

This is what I got from leveling a bunch of bolt pistols from brunts armory to blue

[serene bough]

that way you can remove it from the selection pool

[unreal bone]

they were all level 320 below

from brunts

[umbral cloud]

Upgrade to blue and do it for 365+ for a better chance at T4 blessings?

[unreal bone]

I only got Tier IV and Tier III blessings

[somber axle]

I got all the rank IV blessings for boltpistol in the first like... 10 minutes? of logging onto Darktide and upgrading to blue, ripping blessings, then upgrading to gold for any blessings I didn't have yet

[unreal bone]

Nah man

[serene bough]

y

[tall torrent]

No, just gold everything

[tall torrent]

I got 7/10 IV blessings from 20k plasteel and maybe 100k dockets on maul

[somber axle]

Ok I just did the Mk II Recon test

it has better TTK/DPS than it did before, but is still WAY behind the Mk VId

recording soon

[tall torrent]

If u only care abt III, stop at blue

If u want IV, go gold

[umbral cloud]

I just want the reload blessing on the shotgun

[serene bough]

i didnt think gold mattered for T4 blessings

[unreal bone]

Man I know Puncture probably isn't going to be meta

[serene bough]

i havent noticed a trend

[umbral cloud]

I want to see how funny it is when reload is essentially non-existent on it 😂

[unreal bone]

But I LOVE DoT effects on ranged weapons

[last parcel]

puncture + mercy killer, no serrated blade

[junior needle]

I assume "way lower" is a matter of a few hundred dps max?

In a presumed clown setup

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/392d87a3442de49feb7587bfba7687b0

[unreal bone]

what is mercy killer?

[somber axle]

read it and weep because even a clown can't put your weapon in the same tier as the Mk VId on Crusher killing

[tall torrent]

Knife +60% weakspot dmg vs bleeding enemies

[somber axle]

DPS range is 2300-2700

[unreal bone]

These are the boltpistol blessings I have, I don't know what the last one I am missing.

[somber axle]

Oh also numbers cat

[unreal bone]

oohhh that one

[junior needle]

YOU MISSED ONE

[unreal bone]

I thought backup was talking about boltpistol blessings.

[somber axle]

I used the 5% crit chance on this Mk II

[tall torrent]

Yea this is abt as good as it gets

[unreal bone]

OHHH

I'm stupid

I know what the middle blessing I am missing here is

I'm so dumb

[junior needle]

Are you using headhunter/dumdum?

[somber axle]

I can record it a hundred times with perfect tracking, 100% accuracy, perfect crit string variance and never reach the heavens that Mk VId sits

[junior needle]

On the 2

[unreal bone]

I have the Tier IV version, but no the Tier III one.

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1255257193943400501/image.png?ex=667c78dc&is=667b275c&hm=5d0d1bfce6e13dc924b4f0e2babc8ad512994b720451c33f27813c0885d39482&

I posted the Mk II

[faint beacon]

Ones more cost effective the other is more for trying to get a roll you can work with lmao

[somber axle]

aside from maybe putting Elite instead of crit chance the DPS numbers are not going to get better

[junior needle]

Yeah I dunno what's up with your testing method

[somber axle]

same talent tree set up I used on the Mk VId

it just doesn't use Onslaught

[junior needle]

Because I tested it and they're about the same

[somber axle]

too slow fire rate

[junior needle]

LMAO

USE ONSLAUGHT

[somber axle]

we're using different talent trees

[junior needle]

YOU WILL SEE

[somber axle]

I did

I can show you the tree

[clear mist]

what are the better range weapons nowadays?

[somber axle]

it just doesn't use onslaught to the same degree as the Mk VId

the TTK/DPS is objectively worse by 1000+ DPS

[junior needle]

There's no way you're getting this disparity

[umbral cloud]

CIAG, Plasma and Zarona - I think

[somber axle]

Mk II has failed the clown crusher test

[faint beacon]

Any IAG, Zarona, Plasma

[somber axle]

I literally recorded it and showed it to you so idk what more you want to see

I can record the Mk VIIa too though

[junior needle]

Send me your tree

[faint beacon]

Rest usually boil to build specifics