veteran-class

[bleak bolt]

that heavy pattern recon lasgun is 🤌🏾

finally it can dish out proppa dmg

[atomic zephyr]

wait, recon lasgun good (at least decent) again?

[abstract moth]

They needed to give ogryn giant bolt pistol

[tiny summit]

Yea turns out you can have a nuanced take on the matter. The nerf really does nothing to the weapon. Its like if they nerfed the plasma gun by 5 and still 1 or 2 tapped everything

[atomic zephyr]

that’s just a boltgun

[bleak bolt]

in my build rn, it's a lot better

[atomic zephyr]

nice, I have a godroll VId just sitting around I need to try

[full nacelle]

You're right, going "I don't get why they nerfed a gun that didn't need it" is upsetting and unnuanced. I'll try to control my anger.

Thank you

[abstract moth]

Kek gibe machine blot pistol too

[frank ocean]

Does Boltpistol actually draw this century, or does it take ages like Bolter?

[bleak bolt]

im tweaking some talents to proc crits for infernus but also for shock trooper

[bleak bolt]

it draws at about every generation

[abstract moth]

Ogrynwildspacederengedrine

[bleak bolt]

jk its way better than the bolter

[serene orbit]

rabbits or elves?

[tiny summit]

Glad to help also brauto finesse values are dogshit. So again its like a non-nerf

[bleak bolt]

i rolled a oopy one just to try

[bleak bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[frank ocean]

Already makes me want to try it when I get home

[serene orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-yes-agree-nod-gif-6117363

[abstract moth]

Wabbits

[full nacelle]

I would rather they just not nerf guns that didn't need it

[tiny summit]

I would rather just enjoy things

[fast heart]

That looks pog

[full nacelle]

I enjoy enjoying things too

[serene orbit]

From my experience, probably an incorrect assumption, nerfs can happen when companies try to direct popularity away from sone weapons towards others

[bitter turtle]

Sunder mk3 psword

Also thank fuck point blank fix

[tiny summit]

They should add self dmg

[bitter turtle]

Agri revolver stonks

[woeful ibex]

first Bolt Pistol

Thanks Hadron

[serene orbit]

I'll take it

[sour fossil]

Bruh

[serene orbit]

100% good at N/A

what, is this weapon me?

[sour fossil]

Hahahahaha

[fast heart]

Ehhhh, bolt pistol feels a bit meh

[shadow wing]

I like the shotgun

[bleak bolt]

gotta hit dem headshots

otherwise yeah, body shots consumes the small mg

mag*

[rare echo]

should i take it?

[fast heart]

Any weapon will be good if you hit headshots

[rare echo]

both barrel doesnt seem that useful

[bleak bolt]

true 🤣

[tame lodge]

I like how they buffed RnG

[bleak bolt]

im just so excited that the recon VIIa is decent again

[fast heart]

It won't even oneshot Dreg gunner on headshot

[tiny summit]

Translation?

[lament pond]

i think not bad at all

[bleak bolt]

on practice mode damnation?

[fast heart]

ye

[bleak bolt]

rip

what are your rolls on it?

[fast heart]

Shotgun is funny tho

[tall torrent]

Changed so that all player shots ignore body mass from other players.
Dev note: Before, only attacks from specific weapons were able to go through players, but now shots from every weapon should be able to.

PEAK

WE'RE SO BACK

[tiny summit]

Yep

No more ogryn hate

[fast heart]

Blessings could be better but still

[rare echo]

does the blessing share with bolter or not?

[tiny summit]

Lmao for the psyker blazing spirit nothing change

[fast heart]

No, separate weapon

I have a feeling that super shotgun can oneshot everything with right perks and blessings

[tiny summit]

Shame we couldnt experienced the CtW rending with it

[tall torrent]

this is a good update

[junior needle]

1 less max stack

[fast heart]

You can 2 shot sniper from around 30 meters consistently

[junior needle]

because uh

[tiny summit]

But +1 stack! But also the blessing is still lmao

[serene orbit]

really enjoying the boltpistol with a melee build

[rare echo]

do aiming reduce shotgun spread?

[atomic zephyr]

yes i think

[fast heart]

Darktide 25.06.2024 update vets be like

[tall torrent]

small change, it ramps up faster but the overall dmg potential is lower
practically speaking ur still reliant on perilous combustion for the most part

ramping up 3/stack instead of 2/stack means u get max in 3 crits

2 crits gets to same value as vent

whereas before it took 3 crits to get to same value as vent, and 5 for full

[fast heart]

Reload speed on super shotgun is a must-have

Oh

[slow spade]

Solved

[iron marten]

ok bolt pistol is REALLY fun

Revolver is still better

but the fun factor of the pistol is there

[slow spade]

SOMEHOW revolver still untouched

At least Recon didn't get nerfed again

[fast heart]

They somehow have almost the same damage

[iron marten]

btw, it's not suppression immune, learned it the hard way lmao

[slow spade]

Exectioner Stance bolt pistol

Ez fix

[iron marten]

I'm doing VoC (don't sue me) cause Commissar vet lol

[slow spade]

Blocked and reported for griefing

[frank ocean]

Could take the Immunity talent

[iron marten]

yeah that's what I did

[iron marten]

think it'll be hard for me to roll a better one than this so far

[slow spade]

If the suppression knocks me off target I will simply hit the guy behind him

😎

[fast heart]

So uh, what's the point of bolt pistol over regular bolter?

[junior needle]

memes

[slow spade]

Less ammo

[iron marten]

revolver but bolter

[junior needle]

It's a sidearm so I assume better handling

[fast heart]

Not even close

[slow spade]

It can get Deadly Accurate

[iron marten]

yeah, revolver is still better, but I like the bolt pistol more for feel, so lol

[slow spade]

Making it a higher damage potential per shot than bolter

[iron marten]

btw, hipfiring is the funniest shit ever

[slow spade]

Also probably doesn't take 5 seconds to draw

[fast heart]

If you melee with bolt pistol and then shoot it will have unique animation

[iron marten]

yeah, it takes, at most, 1 sec to draw

[slow spade]

At the very least, there are reasons to use bolt pistol over bolter

Will take time to see if they are good enough reasons to use it

[tiny summit]

I mean more so the blessing is still ass since it cant interact with wildfire if I insta kill a poxwalker

[round canyon]

Gonna drop back in after maybe 6 months of not playing- how does the bolt pistol feel?

[tall torrent]

isn't blazing spirit super strong with trauma tho?

[tiny summit]

Shit maybe Im dumb because I may have gotten mixed up with trauma and the sword

[slow spade]

Its not a mistake so worth trying c:

[tall torrent]

they said tier 3 blazing spirit

[hollow ibex]

Wonder if recon is actually any good now

[slow spade]

Its better

Idk if its "better than Graia autogun" good but its better

[hollow ibex]

They lowered the ADM against flak... That's a nerf right lol

[slow spade]

I haven't read it all but iirc its main issue was maniac

As even max Onslaught buffs wasn't enough

[slow spade]

If you take rending stuff, it SHOULD be a buff 🤔

More ammo, better damage

But worse armor pen

Somehow...

Onslaught + the middle tree's +10% rending should compensate?

[tall torrent]

it's a little higher than before

[hollow ibex]

oh is lwoer better?

[hearty panther]

wep spec boltp round one here we go

also weird the boltp shoots faster in ADS than in hip

[tall torrent]

Mk2 recon lasgun, previous flak is 70 (max dmg) x0.75 (max flak adm) = 52.5 dmg
now it's 108 (max dmg) x0.5 = 54 dmg

[atomic zephyr]

isnt this a bug the kantrael laspistol had initially as well?

[tall torrent]

it's slightly higher than before

[hearty panther]

cant recall

[hollow ibex]

ah i see so the buff to the base damage is enough to carry

so it's slightly better now

[hearty panther]

both barrels blessing better than i thought

i assumed it was both barrels killing a target but its legit just fire off and kill anything and it works

so long as u were right clicking first

[slow spade]

Should be better overall now with its increased ammo too

[tall torrent]

that's what I like to hear

time to expand guide

[winter grove]

I gotta give my stealth taxe guy a bolt pistol now

[slow spade]

Double barrel stealth build for maximum bomber bullying

[winter grove]

Nah, I am not gonna do DB I think

Gotta have a way to deal with elite specials

[slow spade]

Double barrel UwU

[winter grove]

Indignatus is the new mace?

[south vessel]

Wasn't there supposed to be a double barrel in this patch, or did I mishear?

[frank ocean]

There is

[tall torrent]

is that the H1 sweep maul or the H1 overhead maul

[south vessel]

Oh it's the new shotty, derp

[hollow ibex]

yeah i'll be interested to see how recon las is now with the buffs overall

[hearty panther]

ye by vibes alone the indi seems best

i havent mathed yet

nobody runs piety

[digital jay]

new powersword moveset?

[tall torrent]

why does a blunt weapon have high finesse

[hearty panther]

man the double barrel got me fkn grinning each time i blap a dood

i dunno what perks to put on this thing

seems to already kill everything

nah the dubber

[tall torrent]

what does high voltage do

[serene orbit]

jesus the double barrel is disgusting

one shotting reapers feels so good

[slow spade]

More damage

[hearty panther]

it already kills EVERYTHING

[south vessel]

did all recons get buffed?

[slow spade]

Unyielding for bosses

Flak are maulers?

[odd sparrow]

unfortunately bolt pistol just seems like worse zarona in every way except ammo

[slow spade]

Yes

[hollow ibex]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/secrets-of-the-machine-god-out-now-pt-1/96131

[slow spade]

Substantial recon buffs too

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-stick-army-of-darkness-bruce-campbell-gun-this-gif-17346017

[slow spade]

I mean Revolver is already one of the most op ranged options

It being worse isn't a bad thing imo

[serene orbit]

bolt pistol just feels good

which is good enough for me

[slow spade]

Probably wouldn't throw it into auric maelstroms

But it will hold

[serene orbit]

I mean, I bring all sorts of weapons into auric maelstrom and excel just fine

i'm sure this will be no different

[slow spade]

Skill doesn't change the fact the weapon may not be suitable for the difficulty

People still bring old Recons into maelstroms

[hearty panther]

oh its totes fine

its a revolver side grade

[serene orbit]

a good teammate will always be more useful than someone bringing a high tier weapon in

[hearty panther]

tiered reloads, larger mag, deadly accurate is a big add

[serene orbit]

both are nice, too..

[slow spade]

I wonder if Exec Stance or Ping keystone reach any breakpoints

Can't wait to test c:

[hearty panther]

sick

[slow spade]

Yippie~!

[hearty panther]

wait wtf the sauls get falter lmao

ikr

if it stuns bosses i mean

shit idk man

[serene orbit]

Which would you pick?

[slow spade]

Sadly I think they fixed being able to stun bosses outside of specific tools

[hearty panther]

this could be one

[slow spade]

I'd go right

[slow spade]

If even kantreals with like 80 stagger can't stun its probably not going to happen

[hearty panther]

kantraels dont ignore 90% of stagger resistance

but yes it probably still wont happen

[slow spade]

Such is life

At least we still have kraks

[hearty panther]

i dont have creature spawner and i know azrael is degenerate enough to figure it out for us anyway lol

[shadow wing]

It baffles me that they don't nerf the revolver

[slow spade]

Same

Literally no change

Even the plasma got the smallest bit of a nerf

[faint beacon]

Nothing brings me more pain knowing I’m working for 10 hours and the update is out

Anyways how’s the new toys

[slow spade]

Pain, thank you for testing though c:

[slow spade]

All of them are interesting, have their own niche, and mostly don't power creep the old roster

[shadow wing]

I'm loving the shotgun tbh

[slow spade]

Shotgun seems to be the biggest winner for Vet imo

Bolt pistol is competing with revolver sadly

[shadow wing]

Running an infiltrate vet with chainaxe and shotgun

1 double barrel blast = 1 dead mutant

[faint beacon]

That’s both good and bad news lmao

[slow spade]

Its not as op as revolver but it has its own quirks that make it interesting to use

[unique orchid]

Hows the new mission

[slow spade]

Surgical + Deadly Accurate bolt pistol

[faint beacon]

Ammo Econ on it good, bad, awful, etc

[slow spade]

Has bolter ammo eco ever been good?

[woven oak]

Indignatus or the other one?

[slow spade]

Its probably alright due to its strong blessings

[lament pond]

Shotgun pretty bad, under 10m very strong but after 10m is just so bad, and the recoil too strong

[faint beacon]

True, I’m interested in the DB and Shock maul

[unique orchid]

Bad for veteran*

[slow spade]

Shock maul good, DB is still being judged as you can see :p

[atomic zephyr]

fucking geforce now wont load the game

let me in

[slow spade]

I personally think its good at what you would expect from a shotgun

[unique orchid]

Of this ive no doubt

[hearty panther]

aite thisll do

in we goooo

[serene orbit]

I was thinking Full Bore -> Scattershot 4, but should I change out carapace damage or ranged crit damage? Carapace is already really low on the dub barrel

[hearty panther]

full bore is poor on it

[slow spade]

I wonder if you stack enough rending, if it'd be good for sniping

[hearty panther]

you really do gotta stick it in the guy to proc it

[serene orbit]

yeah, the spread is really wide. gonna put scattershot on it instead. not sure which perk to swap out

[unique orchid]

Wouldnt bet on it, pellet spread is a mf

[slow spade]

Iirc damage dropoff from range is due to armor pen so if you just have high enough rending... 🤔

[hearty panther]

Oh i misread

[slow spade]

Damn

No Fullbore it seems

[restive mountain]

Good blessing on bolt pistol?

[hearty panther]

DA, Surgical

[slow spade]

Surgical + Deadly Accurate is a possible combo

Can't go wrong with that

[restive mountain]

So just stay with this?

[sterile phoenix]

How’re we liking the bolt pistol? Might use it in combination with my knife veteran

[unique orchid]

Surgical is wild to me

[hearty panther]

execution seems ... okay?

[toxic leaf]

i just tried bolt pistol in the auric new mission and the sway and recoil is just so bad compared to revolver in actual combat situations

[slow spade]

Its good enough for aurics, I wouldn't throw it into a maelstrom

[toxic leaf]

when you're getting swarmed by 18 crushers and ragers in a defend

definitely usable but you know you're using the worse version

[unique orchid]

S'basically a brick on a handle

[slow spade]

Yeah its basically the curse of "I could be using revolver instead..."

[abstract moth]

Guys what does exactly render do again?

[unique orchid]

Rending ignores armor flat out

[toxic leaf]

penetrates enemy armor

for damage calculation

[abstract moth]

Right thanks a bunch

[toxic leaf]

its unfortunate that single shot weapon will be compared to revolver or plasma but it is what it is

[abstract moth]

Btw bolt pistol finn rocks, I can 3 shots crushers if hit on head damnation resistance

[toxic leaf]

it does reload quicker!

[abstract moth]

Yupp

[slow spade]

For more precise numbers: 1% rending = 1% armor ignore up to 100%

After 100% armor ignore, +0.25% damage per 1% rending

[toxic leaf]

but revolver kills crushers in a single shot if its a crit lol

err maulers, not crushers

[slow spade]

Some asshole expecting everyone else to carry the newbie

[toxic leaf]

fs is kind of in a pickle with those two because it would feel bad to nerf them but they're also just better than the other options

[abstract moth]

K thanks for the info

[slow spade]

No problem comrade c:

[vague smelt]

Damn my lasguns now have 1000 ammo

[slow spade]

Part of why Handcannon is so good on Revolver

60% rending is a minimum of 15% damage buff

[abstract moth]

Tbh I think blot pistol waaaaay surpass revolver in style and sound, it became my 2 favorite ranged gun

[sinful swallow]

So sad it's the slow surgical

[slow spade]

Yeah...but that's probably why it gets Deadly Accurate

[hearty panther]

blot pistol

the rorschach cannon

[slow spade]

Shotgun bolt pistol

[toxic leaf]

bolt pistol feels really good to shoot, yea

[abstract moth]

Also the mace is nice aswell the mark 3 specially

[toxic leaf]

it looks nice and it is just cool

and it isnt bad

its just not busted like its contemporaries

[abstract moth]

Yeah now I just need akimbo blot pistols

[hybrid river]

carapace doesnt get you any breakpoints

[hearty panther]

mam that pickaxe is tremendous

[junior needle]

Which one?

[hearty panther]

is crazy good

[bronze trout]

Are recon lasguns back on the menu?

[topaz lance]

anyone tested the shotty or bolt pistol with exe stance so far?

[junior needle]

Buffed but nothing amazing

Still won't be IAG tier

[bleak cradle]

10% weakspot for a perk eh?

[junior needle]

They actually made the 6d just worse than the 2 and 7a now

[vague smelt]

Eh....

Am I bad or

[junior needle]

7a is probably the best one

[vague smelt]

why bolt pistol cannot 1 shot a hound in the head

Not even with deadly accurate

[old quail]

it inherits the sins of its father (dogshit infested adm)

[faint beacon]

So for mainly taking notes on what to get blessing wise, what’s the so far go to combo with the Shock Mauls

[hearty panther]

dogs are piss easy to melee anyway

[jaunty lake]

The booming of the bolt pistol gives me tingles in my private parts

However, dogs taking 5 bolt shots to kill is funny and infuriating

[woven oak]

I think skullcrusher/high voltage

[vague smelt]

Huh?

25% Maniac and Deadly Accurate 4?

And cannot kill enemies without critting?

[hearty panther]

... ???

[vague smelt]

Yes I didn't headshot but why would I when revolver does it better

[hearty panther]

what do you think deadly accurate does

[wild lantern]

draw your melee karking vet !

[old quail]

feeds me grapes

[hearty panther]

delicious grapes

[vague smelt]

Can't kill a hound yet with it

[sterile phoenix]

What’s the preferable secondary for knife veteran?

[hearty panther]

hound ranged breakpoint is

a tremendous waste of time

that thing literally runs to you and takes 3x melee damage

[wild lantern]

btw they did swap color for crit and weakspot

[vague smelt]

Idk the recoil is awful

[faint beacon]

Calling it, DB + Knife is going to be a really fun combo

[glacial dome]

glad i'm not the only one

[slow spade]

"The glassiest cannon": DB + power sword UwU

[dreamy spade]

Is the bolt pistol as trash as the bolt gun?

[jaunty lake]

Yeah they really disrespected the boltgun in this game

there's nothing to justify enemies below ogryn surviving more than 2 shots

ragers maulers gunners all should die to 2 shots

[junior needle]

The puncture blessing seems to be redundant on the bolt pistol

Only 4 stacks and on a very high damage per shot weapon

[dreamy spade]

Huh

"Better handling"
"but more difficult to control "

...

[tall torrent]

seems not as bad

DA + surgical

decent swap speed

low mag size & slow reload tho

[dreamy spade]

If it has fast ads then it could be used for long range with supression immunity ig

[atomic zephyr]

anyone know if Execution is any good?

[tall torrent]

why does nobody talk abt the new crosshair change they made

this is amazing

[dreamy spade]

I just want my hits to register tbh

[proper delta]

please how is the new shotgun

is it good

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

[atomic zephyr]

oh my god finally

[tall torrent]

better view

[proper delta]

boltgun is fun if you use it as a really clunky DMR

[atomic zephyr]

unfortunately brunt seems to be allergic to giving me a gun above 360 rating

guess ill just roll with the 355 for now

[crude fiber]

anyone have an opinion on the shock mauls yet? not a fan of their movesets but i havent tried them that much yet

[atomic zephyr]

world's most meh roll

[dreamy spade]

What are the shotgun blessings?

[silk quail]

yo these lasgun changes are wild

[atomic zephyr]

ok this boltpistol FEELS like it fucks

[silk quail]

i'm about to jump on and try it out.

whats the carpace damage profile for the inspect?

[silk quail]

dude thats actually really nice

[atomic zephyr]

gotta be methodical with it like the regular boltgun

but def easier to use

[serene bough]

@tall torrent hi do you know if bolt pistol Lethal Proximity + Puncture gives AoE bleed

[junior needle]

Not sure deadly is de way without surgical

[tall torrent]

I just finished verifying file integrity

[serene bough]

F

[silk quail]

i have to finish that now. damnit fatshark

[tall torrent]

And I’m not wasting resources for stuff rn

[junior rivet]

lethal prox seemed liked hot ass when i was testing it in the thing

[serene bough]

ok

[atomic zephyr]

yeah im not sure either, whaddya think would be decent?

[serene bough]

ill have to dump resources to test later this evenign

[atomic zephyr]

i have most of the t3 blessins

[midnight totem]

well, first mission on the new map done

[silk quail]

is it hype?

[atomic zephyr]

imma try surgical execution

[junior needle]

Surgical and whatever gets you break points most likely

Point blank also actually works now

Supposedly

According to the patch notes

[atomic zephyr]

mhm i was having issues with dreg gunners w/o surgical

[atomic zephyr]

couldnt one tap to head

[midnight totem]

Used this bolt pistol

rolled it today

the map is hype

[atomic zephyr]

im just glad i finally have a bolt pistol

[midnight totem]

auric damnation, our team got it pretty rough in some parts

mostly because our ogryn kept popping in and out at critical times

We hada plague ogryn pretty early, there's a section that's very claustrophobic

two of our teammates got knocked off the side because of it, gotta watch that part

[snow pendant]

the bolt pistol simply will nvr be close what revolvers can do cuz handcannon and it has worse recoil so i really dont know what its for

[midnight totem]

as soon as I heard the plague ogryn I hugged the wall

They didn't

[uncut pebble]

Try using the special into a headshot.

[slow spade]

Shooting heretics of course

[uncut pebble]

Special resets the spread so you can bonk into point blank headshot with the bolt pistol.

[snow pendant]

thats every gun

[uncut pebble]

There's no delay, either.

You just bonk and shoot.

[midnight totem]

the bolt pistol

[slow spade]

And we need infinite redundancy c:

[midnight totem]

it feels... inbetween the zarona and the agrippina revolvers

the zarona is still far better for sniping

more stable, better follow up shots

[slow spade]

I don't think anyone thought the bolt pistol was somehow going to be more op than the revolver

[midnight totem]

the bolt pistol doesn't have handcannon so it will never deal with carapace as well

Also, the bolt pistol won't hammer through a horde to kill a sniper or priority special

[snow pendant]

thats such a weird cycle when u have to use a range weapon like a melee weapon somehow cuz u need the combo to offset the cons instead

[midnight totem]

I took a sniper bullet attempting that, it was painful

[atomic zephyr]

dude this pistol is AWESOME

[snow pendant]

i might as well eat a krak grenade

[terse idol]

Well probably because that's why they added the feature to be fair

[midnight totem]

close range, I'm not sure how strong the bolt pistol is without lethal proximity

[snow pendant]

it explodes so it definitely doesnt pen i can give them that for being lore accurate

[midnight totem]

it seems like a necessary blessing for close range work

[terse idol]

Also, if it did 1 shot headshot most elites it'd have power crept the revolver

[midnight totem]

medium range though, is probably where the bolt pistol is better

[faint beacon]

Something about the Puncture blessing is interesting me even though I know it’s not going to be viable

[snow pendant]

i dont get lethal proximity , it doesnt turn the bullet into a grenade

[midnight totem]

probably good for bosses lol

[faint beacon]

Probably crushers also?

[midnight totem]

probably not

[faint beacon]

If you aim for the head

[snow pendant]

is not like i want it to power creep the revolver but u would just look at the bolt pistol and think wtf is this gun for

so u can build accordingly

[midnight totem]

I'll have to find out, I don't got puncture yet

The bolt pistol is for the following

[faint beacon]

Iirc a bullet applies (blank) stacks of bleed

[snow pendant]

i dont think there is a bleed build for vet , we aint zealots

[faint beacon]

I’m not too sure if there’s a cap

[midnight totem]

if you like the reload of the agrippina but want to try and snipe instead of fanfire

[midnight totem]

there is

[snow pendant]

so a clunky dmr that lets u run faster

[midnight totem]

shredder frags and uncanny with shovel or knife and serrated with knife

[faint beacon]

Serrated blade:

[midnight totem]

add in a bolt pistol with puncture for reliable ranged bleed (no need for fletchette on shotgun)

[snow pendant]

so u apply the bleed with nades or guns then stab with a knife ? thats a lot of prep for a kill isnt it ?

[midnight totem]

Not really

[uncut pebble]

There's a talent that makes all melees stack 1 stack of bleed.

[junior needle]

Just to note

[midnight totem]

Lets say you have a horde inc with mixed heavies, maulers and crushers and ragers

[junior needle]

Puncture only gives 4 stacks

Which is 24~ damage per tick on non carapace targets

[midnight totem]

you're probably going to toss a grenade

[snow pendant]

i am scratching my head because on higher difficulty u either rely on grenade to prep multiple kill or running after each stab and prep em with a shot

[terse idol]

I mean I think people are figuring that out

The patch has only been out for a few hours

[serene bough]

What I care about is whether or not puncture applies from the bolt explosion

[midnight totem]

now the chaff will all be bleeding out and dying while the large ones are bleeding and staggered, and you get the damage bonus instantly when you close in and kill them faster

[serene bough]

If it does then puncture can be utilized effectively

[junior needle]

I'll take a look

[midnight totem]

same with bolt pistol. You can't always be in melee due to circumstances, but you apply bleed from range when you can and when you get in close you're already ready to take them down

[uncut pebble]

I want to do this maelstrom right now but I keep getting queued into the same match with the same stupid idiots that can't fight monstrosities worth a crap.

[snow pendant]

sure we are figuring it out here too , i just dont see the incentive for bleed when we dont have nodes for increase dmg vs bleed unless is a knife

[uncut pebble]

Like, stop trying to run ahead and help me kill this chaos spawn.

[snow pendant]

of course u can also keep applying bleeding stacks and bleed em dry

[midnight totem]

of course

[uncut pebble]

Bleeding is also useful for helping zealouts and ogryns with their talents.

[midnight totem]

Helping zealots? Pfft

[snow pendant]

this would give the bolt pistol the speciality if it does

[midnight totem]

Helping ogryns? Yes

[uncut pebble]

Ogryns have one that gives up to 60%(?) damage resistance for the amount of bleeding enemies around them, zealouts get crit chance against bleeding targets.

[snow pendant]

sure if u often premade , cant say every zealot or ogryn out there runs a bleed build

[uncut pebble]

It's... not even bleed builds.

[midnight totem]

Every heavy ogryn usually has bleed

[uncut pebble]

Ogryns have two talents revolving around bleed; heavies give 4 stacks to anything they touch and they get damage res for bleeding targets.

Basically every ogryn runs these talents unless they're a glugger.

[junior needle]

Zealots can stack their own bleed, just fyi

[snow pendant]

for the record i am not saying bleed build is bad , is just hard to justify when the whole thing is built around a knife or to be a supplement to other class's build

[uncut pebble]

As for zealouts, they run scourge on crit builds. Bleed isn't the main draw.

[vague smelt]

I am not really enjoying this update tbh xd

7 months for what exactly

[junior needle]

true

The bleed is kinda just there except on bosses

[midnight totem]

so thats a no, puncture does not apply to bleed on executions

er explosions

[snow pendant]

i played the new mission and tried out the new weapons , but i dont see the new addition shaking up builds imo

[junior needle]

yep

[snow pendant]

error on my part is just 1 new mission

[junior needle]

Doesn't work with lethal either

[snow pendant]

thats a sad pepega

[tall torrent]

The mk3?

[midnight totem]

Tbh, I don't see much point in lethal

[terse idol]

I gotta play the shotgun

[snow pendant]

i was tempted so i ma call the new shock stick , trench bludgeon

[snow pendant]

just dont shoot at any carapace

[terse idol]

Same as any shotgun I see

[snow pendant]

aside from the shocking stun they arent much to write home about either

i tried double barrel a crusher , wont even send it sprawling on the ground

bruh

[terse idol]

I mean

I wasn't expecting it to

[snow pendant]

i was

[terse idol]

It's just double buckshot then

[snow pendant]

2 shots fired at the same time i expect it to

supplement it with a gun like plasma or revolver i guess

[jovial aurora]

recons are fucking insane

they cracked

[junior needle]

Don't know about that one chief

[serene bough]

Ty

Puncture is bad then

[junior needle]

It wasn't that big of a buff

They were just insanely bad before

[jovial aurora]

what wasn't? there's many buffs to each of them lol

[tall torrent]

Most viable ranged bleed blessing:

[junior needle]

If you look closer, the number differences aren't that big, also some of those are nerfs

[snow pendant]

do they have any special blessings ?

[midnight totem]

Probably, but I might take it just to apply bleed to maulers, bosses and crushers before I get into melee

[tall torrent]

Several

[jovial aurora]

the numbers differences are massive when viewed in conjunction with the other buffs

[tall torrent]

High voltage, entropic, opportunist

[junior needle]

What other buffs?

[snow pendant]

for the shock sticks ? i would like to know more

[tall torrent]

High voltage 4 is +25% dmg vs electrocuted enemies
Opportunist 4 is +25% rending vs staggered enemies

[silk quail]

we take those

[jovial aurora]

well i mean the 7 went through a 16.3 fire rate to a 20 which is around a 20 percent buff in overall dps, plus 10 percent more maniac and ten percent more flak damage for starters

[serene bough]

Bleed on pistol is probably only useful for bosses, flak/cara damage isn't worth without something like uncanny to apply rending

[jovial aurora]

AND it got a massive ammo cap increase

[serene bough]

And even then I wouldn't call 4 stacks on a boss more than niche

[junior needle]

Yeah, and it still doesn't come close to IAG dps

[clear mist]

are the new melee weapons good?

[junior needle]

That's no crits btw

[jaunty lake]

isn't bleed nerfed into the ground especially on bosses

[jovial aurora]

idk how posting a video of a mod shooting a maniac in the face with a columnus is any substance to your point but ok

[junior needle]

It shows the potential maniac dps of the ciag

With no talents, perks, or blessings

[serene bough]

Its not going to delete bosses but it's mainly useful on shredder frags which can work with uncanny strikes to bleed through armor and clear a room of everything including crushers

[jovial aurora]

what it doesn't show is the recon has literally 0 recoil

[snow pendant]

i assume shocking bosses do nothing

[jovial aurora]

and the columnus has all the recoil

[junior needle]

Recons are not coming anywhere close to iag performance

[midnight totem]

Onslaught on bolt pistol to apply one brittle and bleed with puncture

[serene bough]

Otherwise it's okay chip damage on a boss

[junior needle]

Recoil doesn't make up for 2-3x the dps

[faint beacon]

So it does ramp up just not good on multiple targets, noted for a niche build

[midnight totem]

Wait

[faint beacon]

Unfortunate that it doesn’t proc bleed on groups

[midnight totem]

@junior needle does brittle from onslaught apply from bolt detonation?

[junior needle]

The recons are better now, certainly, but it's very much an exaggeration to say they're cracked

[junior needle]

I can check

[faint beacon]

You’re onto something

[midnight totem]

Yay. You the man

[serene bough]

Onslaught is which perk again

[faint beacon]

That’s super fucking gimmicky

[serene bough]

Continuous fire applying brittleness?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[faint beacon]

But you’re onto something

[cosmic monolith]

I have encountered an error

[faint beacon]

Wait wait

James

[midnight totem]

Well... this IS vet chat after all. Gimmicky is what we got

[faint beacon]

Onslaught + Lethal Proximity

If it works how I think it might

Literally just carpet bombing carapace or flak enemies with Brittleness

[snow pendant]

i gotta ask any of the stagger blessings works vs bosses lol

[blazing cargo]

So how are new weapons guys?

[midnight totem]

Psykers with Rending Shockwave trauma staves are like "Look at what these blunts do to imitate a fraction of our power"

[serene bough]

But doesn't onslaught only give 2% brittleness per shot upto 16%

[junior needle]

How the fuck do I get the explosion to reach it

[jovial aurora]

compared to what they were they are cracked lol. if you compare every gun in the game to the potential dps of the shitty CIAG nothing is good lol

[faint beacon]

Take everything I say with a grain of salt seeing I can’t really test anything till I’m home in 8 hours lmao

[jovial aurora]

god you fucking people are absolutely miserable sometimes lol

[snow pendant]

so entropic and stunned expression wont either i guess , shame

stick of shame

[midnight totem]

Need lethal proximity for close range bolt detonation

[junior needle]

Well that's a different statement altogether, you could say it's a big improvement

[midnight totem]

Otherwise there is a min range

[faint beacon]

Try lethal Prox?

[junior needle]

But ya know, comparatively they're still mediocre

yeah one sec

[faint beacon]

Unsure if it’ll do the job

[jovial aurora]

if they're mediorcre than literally everything is if CIAG is your point of refereance lol

like i said, literally miserable meta nerds

[junior needle]

Uh huh

Well it's not just compared to "meta weapons"

[atomic zephyr]

dude the bolt pistol is so much fun

[junior needle]

IAG's are just the most easily comparable example

[faint beacon]

You know being a proud white bread gun user GIAG, did the CIAG actually get hit hard or is it still king

I’m genuinely curious

[junior needle]

Nothing happened to it

[hybrid river]

Wasn’t touched

[faint beacon]

Weird

[junior needle]

It has one less crit on a string

[faint beacon]

That’s it?

[junior needle]

That's it

[serene bough]

Ye

[hybrid prawn]

whats the last one?

[faint beacon]

That’s it? That’s the nerf? THATS JUST ONE LESS CRIT!

[hybrid prawn]

whats the last one?

[serene bough]

Im guessing they're gonna tune the weapon down in a later update after they see how these play out

[hybrid prawn]

shiet , dont tell me its tier 4 run and gun

i just got tier 3 run and gun

[hybrid river]

Lol

[atomic zephyr]

how's this?

[junior needle]

not applying it seems

[faint beacon]

Puncture + Lethal

[midnight totem]

Well that's balls

[faint beacon]

I’m genuinely curious if that works

[junior needle]

Already tested that

Doesn't work

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t

[hybrid river]

Swap block efficiency and hammer blow and you’re great

[faint beacon]

RAGGHH

That makes me upset

[junior needle]

no fun allowed

[atomic zephyr]

what should i put hammerblow to? im still grabbing blessings rn

[faint beacon]

Suppose Puncture + Onslaught could be good for high armor high HP health shredding

[hybrid river]

The stun on stagger one combos well with voltage

[faint beacon]

But that’s kinda about it

[midnight totem]

Nah. Bolt pistol doesn't fire fast enough tbh

[faint beacon]

Unfortunate

Not even in ADS where it’s auto?

[atomic zephyr]

wtf is opportunist?

is that any good?

[hybrid river]

Right now I have deadly accurate and surgical but I want to swap to point blank now that that is fixed since bolt pistol ads is finnicky

[hybrid prawn]

bolt pistol blessing is surgical and deadly accurate

[junior needle]

Onslaught with a very high damage, low rof gun?

Dots no longer apply onslaught sadly

Haven't for awhile now

[midnight totem]

It's still semi auto in ads

Isn't it?

[hybrid prawn]

man i thought bolt pistol have shattering impact so i can use it with puncture

[faint beacon]

Smashing my head against a wall for they deny me actually functional gimmicky builds

[snow pendant]

eat a krak grenade while ur at it

we got tons

[atomic zephyr]

hey the maul seems to kill crushers pretty good

[bronze trout]

My take away from this update, double barrel shotgun is okay and mk3 shock maul might be good

Recon's still feel worse then regular las

[wind grotto]

i'd agree with that the bolt pistol is fun but uh seems like it's just kind of shit

[midnight totem]

It's not as bad as boltgun. Unfortunately the bar is very low

[terse idol]

I think recon won't ever be better than ilas

[atomic zephyr]

im still bringing bolt pistol into auric

[south vessel]

DAE feel like there's something weird with boltgun/boltpistol aiming? like at certain points the sights don't seem to be lined up with where it's actually firing, so you miss and then they kind of 'snap' a tiny bit sideways - super jarring

[faint beacon]

I think the Bolt Pistol might just be like it’s Brother, Gimmicky builds

[wary galleon]

oh yea.... OOOhh yeea we are SO BACK BABY

[terse idol]

Boltguns just not that bad

Ammo econ could be better doe

[rocky jacinth]

how much damage does the bolt pistol do compared to the big bolter

[wind grotto]

same damage

[midnight totem]

Same

[terse idol]

Surgical boltgum for vet slaps

[faint beacon]

Literally the same

[rocky jacinth]

then it's really good though, boltgun already slaps as a sniper

[wary galleon]

its soo good now. im running this old build with full ranged, plus critcal hit recon. and the ammo eco is very good with this update

[midnight totem]

On the other hand

[midnight totem]

With the vld's increased rate of fire

[atomic zephyr]

how do i get the crosshairs to be visible while ADS? i saw someone had it earlier for helbore

[terse idol]

Oh I was saying the boltgun

[midnight totem]

Sneaky will be able to gun down crushers even faster

[wary galleon]

ah okay lil miscomunication ^.^

[wind mesa]

bolt

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

Sneaky with the slightly more ammo and damage lmao

[wind mesa]

ignroe that was trying to filter

[midnight totem]

Truly unstoppable. The clown is the ultimate winner of this patch

[hybrid prawn]

anyone know if this useful

[midnight totem]

It's really not. Trust me

[terse idol]

I mean infernus nerf

[midnight totem]

Unless the explosion can stagger crushers midswing

[wind grotto]

I assume the blessings the bolt pistol wants will be surgical and deadly accurate

but I think it's still going to just be worse than a revolver in nearly every situation

[faint beacon]

Yeah it got nerfed but like with recons that proc it literally every second

[hybrid river]

Good if you need to emergency pull it out and stagger everything trying to hit you. Does no damage though

[faint beacon]

Not a huge issue lmao

[terse idol]

It's got more shots

[midnight totem]

And reloads faster!

[terse idol]

Like, it is the middle child between the zarona and the agri

[hybrid river]

And less reliant on headshots

[wind grotto]

okay? the revolver pens

[terse idol]

And it reloads faster

[atomic zephyr]

:D

hadron blessed me

[terse idol]

I mean it'll give you some wiggle room when dealing with gunner chaff

That the revolver does struggle on

[hybrid prawn]

cry

[hybrid river]

Plus way more suppression and stagger

[faint beacon]

I’m so upset lethal doesn’t synergize with puncture

[wind grotto]

yeah that would make lethal okay

[snow pendant]

get upset somemore

[wind grotto]

instead of just kind of bad

[faint beacon]

Lethal is just…

There

It exists

[atomic zephyr]

which of these perks should i swap

[faint beacon]

Critical damage

That’s a no brainer

[wind grotto]

lethal shouldn't exist because they just made a blessing to add a feature that used to just be on the boltgun before anyway

[faint beacon]

Probably do Flak?

That or Maniac

Unsure which would serve a better use

[hybrid river]

Flak is more valuable to bolt pistol

[midnight totem]

I actually just want to know

[hybrid river]

Your talents give you enough damage to deal with maniacs

[midnight totem]

If bolt pistol explosion staggers crushers midswing

It probably doesn't, but if it did, it'd be one reason to use lethal

[faint beacon]

The Shock Maul stun locking Ogryns lmao

[wind grotto]

really not feeling the double shotgun either after using it for a run

[snow pendant]

krak grenade or slowly beat a heretic ogryn with a stick , pick

[wind grotto]

i'd rather have a good grenade instead of a krak

so i'll take the shock maul stun

[faint beacon]

The Crusher preparing to delete me with an Overhead, only to be subjected to electroshock therapy till he keels over

[snow pendant]

would hope the shock can affect bosses like ogryn's club slap

[snow pendant]

stick it on the nipple for maximum effect

[north coyote]

What lethal proximity even does on bolt pistol? Just adds explosions that stagger?

[midnight totem]

Yes

Enables it in close range

[snow pendant]

it defiitely doesnt make the bolt pistol shot becomes a grenade

[agile yew]

First new weapon i see, not bad i suppose

[torn gorge]

did anyone experience delay in combo with shock mauls?

[hybrid river]

Won’t need mobility if you’re never holding the weapon out for more than 2 secs

[agile yew]

Yeah figured its kinda dumpstat for it

[junior needle]

It was only t3 infernus

Thankfully

[terse idol]

Oh

[junior needle]

Still didn't really make sense

[terse idol]

Yeah

Now you reeeallly need to roll t4

[junior needle]

I assume they're normalizing 3 shots to cap

[agile yew]

Full Bore could work? No idea what blessings it even has

[terse idol]

Probably just wanna try it

[faint beacon]

I heard Full Bore wasn’t that reliable on DB but I’m not sure

[ocean idol]

How is bolt pistol?

[terse idol]

It might have the same as other shotguns

[junior needle]

Full bore needs to hit all the pellets in a shot to proc

Which can be uh

Inconsistent on shotguns outside of melee

[faint beacon]

DB sprays out more pellets I assume

[terse idol]

Well, both barrels in melee range will be funny

[midnight totem]

Inbetween zarona and agrippina revolver

[junior needle]

That's on the same target too

[faint beacon]

Alt F4 specials lmao

[terse idol]

Is there any potential with damage spikes vs bosses with full bore

And the db

I'm assuming you could hit every single pellet

[wraith flare]

did

they nerf infernus even more?

LUL

[lusty sapphire]

EHM

[silk quail]

honestly i think the double barrel feels like the best shotgun

[terse idol]

Only t3 infernus

[wraith flare]

Ohhh

[silk quail]

lol did you get a bug?

[lusty sapphire]

[wraith flare]

Man that wouldve been hilarious

[terse idol]

It's like a weird nerf because you also get to the max stacks faster

[wind grotto]

the double barrel feels like an anemic kickback imo

and not having the slug as an option just feels kind of shit

[agile yew]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shotgun-p2-m1/ironhelm-hacker-mk-iv-assault-shotgun

[uncut wadi]

I don't know about the others, but right now Recon Lasgun VIIa is still a shit.
The time to kill was atrocious despite the buff, that's with full onslaught and 10% rending on.

[junior needle]

All the recons have basically the same dps now

7a is probably the best one with the cleave

[uncut wadi]

My last Auric was a shit show because I can't clear shooter horde fast enough with VIIa.

VIId remained the gold standard for Recon imo.

[junior needle]

6d has the same dps

after patch

[torn gorge]

until they buff them meaningfully the various dot blessings are just bad

[junior needle]

as the 7a

Also now it has notably less ammo efficiency

[uncut wadi]

Yeah but the onslaught stack maxed out way faster on VIId.

[junior needle]

I kronched the numbers

[balmy flume]

Well, if I wasn’t hell bent on putting my real life first right now, would love to grab me a Bolt Pistol.

[clear mist]

what woude be the best stats for the revoler? and perks i havent played in forever i dont rember

[wraith flare]

well its still almost as useful as nipples on a nun

[torn gorge]

6d never had good ammo efficiency to begin with though

[junior needle]

TRUE

[midnight totem]

6d still best with onslaught

[agile yew]

Recon Lasguns still meme to try only if you bored and want challenge?

[midnight totem]

Even better now

[tiny summit]

I came here with my 6d to eat all the ammo tins

[junior needle]

But considering the dps and ADM's were all normalized, it seems strange that there's that sizable of a disparity

[midnight totem]

They've never been truly terrible (except the ii)

[junior needle]

They were pretty bad

[torn gorge]

you are putting too much faith in onslaught solving the baseline issues accatran lasguns have

[wraith flare]

they were pretty shit

[uncut wadi]

Bolt pistol was fun but nothing to celebrate about.
Imo it just felt like a less cumbersome bolter, faster draw time, faster reload, but still far from its old glory days where bolt rounds can one-shoot trash mob.

[wraith flare]

and still are tbh

[tiny summit]

The forbidden is all the more alluring

[junior needle]

Onslaught is probably not worth it for the point investment unless you really wanna kill crushers

[torn gorge]

sway is still an issue with bolt weapons

[hybrid river]

Your bolt pistol doesn’t one shot trash mobs?

[ocean idol]

Does it have increased crit or something?

[torn gorge]

run talents to offset that

[tiny summit]

And at that point...just melee or nades

Or have the team

[torn gorge]

it has better perks than boltgun

[slow spade]

The recons are objectively better but they're still not competing with braced autoguns let alone Columnus

[hybrid river]

It has deadly accurate

[midnight totem]

Let me put it this way

[uncut wadi]

Not for flak-wearers, no.

[uncut pebble]

New mission very hard.

[torn gorge]

DA/HH or the 20% crit on melee

[wraith flare]

better than what

[torn gorge]

you can 1 tap most things

[clear mist]

if i shoude get somthing better what woude it be?

[torn gorge]

if not for the sway and the reticle being off

as USUAL

[slow spade]

The autoguns where you hipfire only

[hybrid river]

Does for me, at least with my build, only time I don’t one shot mobs is when the shot glances them

[junior needle]

Recons have the advantage of shocktrooper at least

[slow spade]

Maybe when the bolt pistol gets the Weapon Customization treatment it'll be better?

[midnight totem]

The bolt pistol has the regular bolter's damage profile, so higher damage per bullet then the agrippina revolver, with a little bit of cleave. It has more bullets in a mag in a revolver and faster reload then the zarona, its better at sniping then the agrippina, worse then the zarona

[junior needle]

But so do other lasguns that can pull yuge dps

[uncut wadi]

Hmm... weird, cause mine was a 370 stat pistol. Not a godroll, but certainly close enough.

[slow spade]

I'm putting a sight on it asap

[agile yew]

With bolt anything youd expect it to pierce through crowd of regular mobs

[ocean idol]

Flak wearers are not trash though

[weak ermine]

have this but its still feel like wet noodles hitting gun....

[zenith hinge]

here to ask about the new double barrel shottie. has 2 blessings I want to ask about. 1, crit chance for each enemy hit by your previous attack. does that reset when switching weapons? and 2, increased cleave on critical hit. does that mean the shotgun can hit more enemies on crit?

[slow spade]

Ironic considering its lore that bolters never pierce

[terse idol]

Pretty gooood

[ocean idol]

So real question is, is it better on vet or zealot?

[midnight totem]

the zarona is still far better for sniping, and special removal and killing carapace (with Hand Cannon), but the bolt pistol is a viable alternative if you need to snipe, but also handle regular shooters

better on vet

[slow spade]

With the Zealot nerf? 100% Vet

[agile yew]

Well, im not into lore really so theres that, but makes sense if they supposed to be explosive rounds only

[tiny summit]

Woops forgot to remove @

[stiff glacier]

Vet for roleplaying sergeant

[uncut wadi]

I am talking about shooters mostly.

[unique orchid]

they dont pierce ceramite*
they are SUPER good for mowing down flak armor though

[stiff glacier]

Boltpistol and chainsword

[silk quail]

yeah because zealot can't gunlot anymore without the rending right?

[ocean idol]

Which nerf? YOu mean Fury not getting rending anymore?

[valid bluff]

Well thats a nice looking bolt pistol

[stiff glacier]

I suppose stealth zealot could make use of bolt pistol

[wanton dawn]

Fotf got GUTTED

[torn gorge]

tbf, just pick a mg4 or mg1a and run with autofire mod

[slow spade]

Yeah they only fire explosive bolts. Even the alternative ammo for bolters is just using the explosive to spray chemicals/plasma on people

[torn gorge]

better sights

better damage

[unique orchid]

Fury? Gutted? It just does what it's supposed to now

[slow spade]

Yes :c

[junior needle]

I agree, but the fucking bounce

[ocean idol]

Wat

they absolutely do

[junior needle]

Oh my god it annoys me so much

[midnight totem]

what bounce

[ocean idol]

IF shot at really close ranged, bolts may explode well behind targets

[torn gorge]

dont touch bolter then

[junior needle]

mg4 has insane ammo efficiency

[slow spade]

Yeah maybe the megabolter does

[hybrid river]

this is mine

[torn gorge]

if infantry lasgun bounce annoys you

[wise fossil]

So dum dum headhunter 7a sounds like the pick for recon enjoyers

[slow spade]

But they're suppose to always explode

[unique orchid]

they pierce non-ceramite armor, the bolter was designed to kill human infantry

[ocean idol]

Eh, it is fine, you supposed to be melee machine anyway

[wanton dawn]

Still gutted though

[agile yew]

Know more about the Warhammer medieval lore, Vermintide stuff and such, WH40k i just know the little ive learned from various games.

[slow spade]

Still though, its better on Vet due to its boosts while Zealot lost its main boost

[uncut wadi]

So does Kantreal shotgun still outperforms the double shotgun?

I haven't got a game with my new double yet.

[slow spade]

Such is life with so much lore flying around

[uncut wadi]

Cuz Kantreal was a beast last time I ran with one.

[wanton dawn]

Is there a world where losing 100% rending on ranged a small slap on the wrist ?

[junior needle]

7a or the 2, they have very similar ammo efficiency but the 7a should still have the cleave

[slow spade]

Its only -25% damage minimum 😞

[silk quail]

the rending was just a nice boost in addition to the rapid fire.

just grab an IA and go nuts

[unique orchid]

i wouldnt say there is, but im not upset about it tbh

[wise fossil]

Neat. I'll have to see what recons I have lying around when I get home

[unique orchid]

i play zealot to melee

[wanton dawn]

I mean...

[silk quail]

it was just fun to have another way to play it

[wanton dawn]

I wont argue semantics

[unique orchid]

very fair

[junior needle]

They still aren't IAG tier, much less ciag

[wise fossil]

Sure, I don't need them to be meta. I've already got meta builds

[umbral scaffold]

hrmm, what the sigma??

[wanton dawn]

I wanna try the bolt pistol. I assume it is a more agile but less stable boltah

[tiny summit]

Biggest nerfs seem to be that CtW rending nerf and brutal momentum vs ogryns. No more conga line packs being 1 shot by ogryn folding shovels

[slow spade]

At the very least, recons can probably kill something in a reasonable timeframe now

[wanton dawn]

Cannot play till at least 2h from now

[unique orchid]

from all i have heard it does seem to be so

[unique orchid]

same

[tiny summit]

I have about 5 hrs until Im home and even then. I want to play ER

[torn depot]

finally, new weapons

[tall torrent]

there's a funny but impractical combo tech of SP > hipfire

[uncut wadi]

The pull out time alone certainly made it way better than the old bolter imo.
As for stablity, hip firing this thing is painful after the first shot, but shooting it with the aim down sight wasn't that bad.

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol has very notable differences between it and the normal bolter

Ammo, draw speed, blessings, etc etc

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna try it anyway. I am already happy with sundee buff

[slow spade]

Same

[wanton dawn]

Also also, plasma dodged nerf ?

[tiny summit]

I look forward to trying it out with WS

[midnight totem]

Sunder buff is insane lol

[wind grotto]

as long as you have deadshot or exe stance the ads stability should be fine

[slow spade]

No...Blaze Away: 8% damage -> 7% damage

[tiny summit]

Oh yea the sunder buff. Finally a reason for me to use heavies on my ps

[slow spade]

1-5% damage nerf on plasma UwU

[wanton dawn]

[uncut wadi]

Funnily enough, despite being a pistol, I find the bolt pistol works better if I treat it like a marksman weapon rather than something I pull out between melee.

[tiny summit]

Time to doompost. Plasma has been nerfed

[slow spade]

Revolver got nothing though lmao

[uncut wadi]

Revolver is already mad strong imo

[faint beacon]

More like a reason to use Sunder in general lmao

[slow spade]

I already amazon prime'd rope and a single 12 gauge shotgun shell

[gray sun]

started playing again after a very long time
How does Onslaught work with shotguns?
does it apply one stack per pellet or does it treat all pellets as 1 shot

[slow spade]

1 shot

[slow spade]

Be aware this means if the shot crit, then ALL pellets are crits too

[junior needle]

Sunder was already a fairly good alternative to brutal, but for non clear reasons

[wanton dawn]

Is the new shotgun any good ?

[uncut wadi]

A man who appreciates redundancy I see.

[slow spade]

The dream is infinite redundancy 🙏

[gray sun]

ah damn, got no idea about the skills so I am butchering something together for the new shotgun ^^

[slow spade]

Indeed, such is life

[junior needle]

Also, what da fug does poxgas do

[tiny summit]

Gonna take off my auto sell. And fish for a 1% dmg double barrel

[uncut wadi]

Might wanna splurge for a timed pipe bomb incase the rope snapped AND you missed your shot.

[slow spade]

Good damage but it has call of duty dropoff

[tiny summit]

The average videogame shotgun effect

[uncut wadi]

Damn, Kantreal still reigned supreme then.

[sturdy herald]

What blessings and perks would you go for? Maniac/Flak?

[slow spade]

I already phoned my news agency I have data on Boeing

[sturdy herald]

Unyielding?

[slow spade]

There's a sniper outside my window

[uncut wadi]

Good call.

[tiny summit]

We'll hold your funeral with diamantine

[slow spade]

Not for pure damage as it can 1-hit kill most things without investing hard

[slow spade]

I would go Unyielding + Maniac but that's because I fucking hate specialists

[uncut wadi]

Kantreal can snipe shit from across the map out of sheer damage lol

[slow spade]

Flak is probably better

[tall torrent]

kantrael's been meh since fire shots' cleave got nerfed

[slow spade]

One thing for sure, Full Bore is useless on the double barrel

[uncut wadi]

Oh, I don't use fireshot much. I can actually one shot stuff from a distance with Kantreal.

[torn gorge]

wdym nerfed

[tall torrent]

fire shots' cleave went from unlimited to 4.5

[torn gorge]

was that in recent times?

[tall torrent]

yea

[uncut wadi]

Kantreal normal shot > Agripina slug shot

[torn gorge]

ok so no more killing snipers behind the whole wave

rip dream

[tall torrent]

this is also false

[uncut wadi]

You can just shoot them with normal shot, trust me, it work better.

[sturdy herald]

What makes you say that?

[tall torrent]

kantrael reg shots have worse falloff

and slug does several things most other weapons can't do

[slow spade]

From what I saw, it has insane spread

[tall torrent]

open bulwark, 1 bodyshot kill burster

[slow spade]

Fullbore needs all bullets to hit 1 target to get buff

[uncut wadi]

In my expreince Kantreal can one-shot a flak special/elite from mid distance while slug just knocked them down half the time.

[tall torrent]

u need to headshot

u can go check kantrael's reg shot 1 tap range in meat grinder rn

it's not very far

[wanton dawn]

What about taser ?

[tall torrent]

slug 1HS both gunners & flamers inf range

[slow spade]

Shock maul is apparently very good (Azrael tested)

[uncut wadi]

With Kantreal, chances are a few pellets will strike the head with a mid-range upper body shot. I find that much more reliable than properly placing a perfect slug shot.

[slow spade]

Apparently a very good finesse multiplier

[sturdy herald]

So for the double barrel, both reload blessings then?

Not sure what seems better, they all kinda look meh.

[slow spade]

Idk the double barrel's blessings sadly :c

[tall torrent]

It has 9 tier2 blessings

[slow spade]

LOL

[tall torrent]

So u can prob do manstopper + scattershot meme

[slow spade]

Oh shit thank you

[tall torrent]

If it’s 3 heavy vs bulwark why is that terrible boss dmg

[celest rock]

New shotgun is incredibly fun