veteran-class

[feral bay]

but lasers.

[tall torrent]

Mk7a cleaves 2.7 mass but still, none of the recons are in the upper tiers in terms of ranged weapon options

General middling dps (especially vs Maniac) with high talent investment

[feral bay]

. . . Not a big fan of precise numbers. It goes through more than one heretic skull, good enough.

[tall torrent]

It means it only goes through smaller enemies
Anything rager/gunner and up, it won’t go through

[feral bay]

That's fine.

If I want it to go through five enemies, I'll load a slug into the high capacity shotgun.

[tall torrent]

The slug does not go through 5 enemies unless u have manstopper blessing and crit

[tawny badger]

I want to speak with whoever programmed the barrel blast radius

[feral bay]

Stop taking it literally, please.

[tall torrent]

[last parcel]

[feral bay]

And thank them for giving us such a good way to blow up lots of enemies?

[tawny badger]

kill them for making the gotdang thing send me flying to my death even though im nowhere near it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/heyheedie-gif-22864588

[feral bay]

Hmm, yes, sometimes a problem.

[prime prairie]

what are some guns for veteran that are as equally fun as they are good

[bitter turtle]

Vraks7

Mk2 Laspistol

[feral bay]

Shredder autopistol time.

[bitter turtle]

Well

Ibguess that counts

Its not fun and also shit

So as fun as it is strong

[feral bay]

[clear lantern]

sometimes a solution

[feral bay]

No ogryn? Just barrel. Same effect on target.

[coral willow]

melk sinister

[feral bay]

Now if only there was a way to get that kind of setup on a lasgun.

[coral willow]

flashlight kill go

[somber axle]

That was at least five I think!

[feral bay]

This is the way.

I wonder if you can use mods and the meat grinder to get 60 enemies in a single spot then use the bull charge to get the penance done.

[tall torrent]

No

[feral bay]

Aw.

[tall torrent]

Also that clip is with manstopper

[coral willow]

grinder doesnt work on all penance

[tall torrent]

Without manstopper the slug only has 3 cleave

[coral willow]

slug kinda has shit cleave

manstopper is fun

best lawbringer i have

[somber axle]

This is hard to answer because I don't know your preferred playstyle or tastes

For fast paced running and gunning: Laspistol Mk II, Zarona Revolver or Agripina Revolver

DMR Gameplay: Vraks Headhunter Mk VII, Boltgun

Bayonet Charge hours: Helbore Mk I or Helbore Mk II

Bolt Action Rifle gameplay: Agripina Shotgun

Room Sweeper: Lawbringer Shotgun with Manstopper/Scattershot

DAKKA: Agripina Braced Autogun, any Infantry Autogun

If you like vomiting lasers grab a Recon but be warned they are a clown's choice award weapon. I love them but your mileage will vary

[feral bay]

will try the recon lasgun tomorrow

[coral willow]

sneaky

if you are speedrunning

is sa knife better option

or a chainsword with rev

[tall torrent]

Knife

[clear lantern]

gonna build a crit recon and put infernus 4 on it and act like I'm a purgatus psyker

[coral willow]

now the question is what do i do with my chaxe in zealot. hm

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[hoary horizon]

Graia is a fun autogun

Colomnus too

[clear lantern]

Graia is a solid middle-ground between Columnus and Arippinna.

[coral willow]

is it good tho

people in korea seem to disrespect it between both things

just like how kourk stubber is rn

[hoary horizon]

More bullets in it.

[hoary horizon]

Koreans dont know guns (joking)

But seriously, it is fun

[coral willow]

its fun

but is it good is their concern lmao

then again vets can get away with it

and gria does have better accruacy

[hoary horizon]

Aim for the head, good horde clear

[coral willow]

"its worse than columnus"

also damn

thats a perfect roll

[stoic mantle]

The law of equivalent exchange!

Everything you gain in stats that matter you lose in mobility

[hoary horizon]

Nah not worse, different

[stoic mantle]

also, in the grand scheme of things would yall say the mk1 devils claw sword is good?

[tawny badger]

it kills things so yes

[coral willow]

"worse"

[hoary horizon]

Devil claw? Good cleave

[coral willow]

koreans:troll;

[hoary horizon]

Meh, they know nothing of fun

Well

[stoic mantle]

I am loving it for mindless horde butchery

[hoary horizon]

Not really but still

[stoic mantle]

fucking hadron

That one reject that rannick executed was a diversion

the real heretic is hadron

Ok brunt, I'm listening. Would I miss breakpoints with this damage lowroll?

[coral willow]

does catachan even have a good bp

[stoic mantle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

all I knows is I like it and it cuts people up good

[last parcel]

people prefer the 4 and 7 because their light-heavy horde clear is comparable while also having access to strikedown heavies for single target

[stoic mantle]

Yeah, but revolver is there for single target

And I'm working on the specialist penance anyway

with 4 and 7 can I just mash m1 for horde clear? or is it some silly combo?

[last parcel]

it's alternating between light and heavy so mk1 is better for you

[clear lantern]

catachan gives you the joy of causing rager suicides through parry

[last parcel]

catachan uppercut

[stoic mantle]

That's what I figured

I am a true brain off click heads player

[somber axle]

I'd say knife. I think Rev might be slightly faster? But constantly reving your chainsword makes you more vulnerable

[coral willow]

shroudfield rev sounds fun

recommend

what build to run

on me zealot

[stoic mantle]

crit heavy evis

[clear lantern]

your axe seems glaive-y

[somber axle]

I have a Zealot at 30 but I don't have anywhere near as much experience in Zealot as I do with Veteran

I liked a funny meme build involving Perfect Strike and Shred on the Evis XV

[last parcel]

perfect meme

[coral willow]

IS DECENT BUT NOT GOOD

[last parcel]

lacerate user detected
opinion rejected

[last parcel]

didn't you roll like 5 power swords

just roll another life

[coral willow]

roll for korean

[austere mica]

Crying rn

[coral willow]

crit is fine-ish

[austere mica]

Yeah but like

It was a 376 with a good dump stat

[last parcel]

keep vicious slice

[coral willow]

well

gold and throw

[tall torrent]

It’s actually very high utility

[coral willow]

ye

anyway

not sure on how i do my mk12 chaxe

[umbral garnet]

Isn't Shred on a Evis XV fantastic for crit builds?

Like, running fury and all the other crit nodes?

[tall torrent]

shred on EV15 is good

perfect strike is the slightly questionable one

but

being able to stagger lock 4 scab ragers per swing is pretty high utility

u don't get to do that with rampage

[serene bough]

where is this

[tall torrent]

Early on (before the potential first DH spawn)

Coming out of the underground tunnel, going forward towards right there’s a small alley

[umbral garnet]

Nice, I'd have guessed so. Been trying to get Shred 4 for a while now, made a Zealot a while back finally.

Frustrating, but nothing will beat the grind I had to do for Power Cycler 4

True Level 280~ before I finally got it.

[tame lodge]

Try grinding for Bloodthirsty

[umbral garnet]

I have T4 for that

[tame lodge]

If you want to that is

[coral willow]

tunnel?

[umbral garnet]

I got a fantastic flamer recently. And what an absolute treat it is to use.

[coral willow]

i remember getting a DH spawn in front of one

[umbral garnet]

Quickflame and Fan the Flames both at T4 natively? YES PLEASE

[last parcel]

i remember one too

[clear lantern]

there are 14 bottles in that alley. Bring a lasgun or laspistol; if you miss and hit a non-blue bottle it's game over.

[faint beacon]

What is up with the sudden rise in matches just being losses recently

[somber axle]

Might be a few players trickling back in from another game? Idk

Probably people farming mats for the new weapons

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-6112271

It’s pre patch, some people might be coming back in

Yee

[somber axle]

I fear diamantine right now

I will never have enough LOL

Plasteel was fixed and now I hunt for diamantine forever

[stiff glacier]

I have the opposite

Also still hunting for flechette blessing

I have concecrated 15 lawbringers

[somber axle]

I had an excess of diamantine and too little plasteel pre-Path of Redemption. Now after grinding penances and farming up mats for new weapons or trying to roll upgrades for current weapons I have broken the scales and seen diamantine become the troublesome resource for spending

[stiff glacier]

And i keep getting terrifying barrage

[radiant chasm]

Are you doing it on your level 30?

[stiff glacier]

Yes

[radiant chasm]

Stop

Make an alt character

[stiff glacier]

Im on a mission

I wont stop

[radiant chasm]

It’s a tier 2 blessing

[stiff glacier]

I wont grind another character just for blessing

[radiant chasm]

Unless you stalk the hourly shop even consecrating a 300 has a miniscule chance of rolling t2 blessings

Just make a low level alt

[last parcel]

well then have fun

[radiant chasm]

Then stop wasting resources cause they buffed crafting odds

[radiant chasm]

Better than spending materials on full level 30 crafted lawbies

Low levels have less crafting cost as well

[stiff glacier]

Fat fish gib lvl4 flechette

At this point i might as well make lawbringer collection

[radiant chasm]

Like

Are you upgrading any lawbringers

Or only sub 310s

Well

Now you know

[stiff glacier]

I go for max blue concecration

Not to trancendent level

But like man is getting max level preventing to get blessings an oversight

[fair topaz]

well hit a slooow level 12 today with veteran. zealot levelling was a lot faster

i do like veteran voice of command, it refreshes way faster than chorus

what should i be looking for as a i level to 30?

[coral willow]

its also quite op

[serene bough]

ty

[serene bough]

ty

[serene bough]

ty

a thank you hat trick

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-elvis-presley-austin-butler-elvis-grooving-gif-26399604

[last parcel]

use this time to try out different weapons to get a general feel for what you like
oh and if you like refreshing voice of command

[umbral garnet]

Just had a psyker complaining they can't cast one smite while they have the worst positioning known to man

[coral willow]

smites are smites

[umbral garnet]

Like, actually crying in the text chat while they were actively 25 metres away from us.

Cannot believe it lmfao

[umbral garnet]

I love smite.

[coral willow]

psykers tend to run away

[umbral garnet]

Yes, but THAT far away? Damn bruh

No wonder you can't cast shit, you're miles away

[grand perch]

not really, lower level guns have much less chance of getting t4 blessings

also consider going for orange upgrades when fishing for t4 blessings, much higher chance of getting a t4 on the final upgrade than just to blue

[junior needle]

Certain blessings being obscenely hard to get isn't an oversight, it's intentional

Just like how often the most dogshit perks and blessings like TB are the highest weighted

[stiff glacier]

Honestly just making flechette to all blessing tiers would fix it. I dont care if it doesnt get any better if it got lvl4. I just want flechette

[cerulean ridge]

[grand perch]

its not that good a blessing tho

[stiff glacier]

I still want it

[grand perch]

but whatever floats your boat

[livid peak]

I finally have a few good revolverZ and man I am liking the Big Iron

i got that IV rending on crit blessing from melk and they slap hard with it

[coral willow]

chaxe users

bloodletter thrust

what do you think

[stiff glacier]

Which one of the axe variant

The og mk4 or the other?

[junior needle]

The original clears with heavies, but is generally served better with headtaker/slaughter for general use

The other one clears with lights and so thrust would only feasibly benefit you on thick targets

[haughty solstice]

Anyone have any tips for the on overwatch penance?

[woven oak]

This is going to sound condescending, but just avoid enemies and pay a lot of attention to audio cues

[coral willow]

12 for now

[stiff glacier]

I think i got the slaughterer on it

[woven oak]

Also probably use Voice of Command a lot.

[stiff glacier]

Improves horde sweeping

[haughty solstice]

Appreciate it

[woven oak]

I'm not 100% sure if taking toughness damage causes the penance to fail

[haughty solstice]

It does

[woven oak]

I got it without actively trying to get it, so I don't know the restrictions

[fair topaz]

after i unlock weapon specialist that's on the options to consider. ty

[coral willow]

its health damage p sure

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 10 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

I have this saved to copy paste when someone wants tips on it

[devout rampart]

It only count health damage, and you won’t get health damage from melee when you are full toughness

[somber axle]

If Voice of Command doesn't work for you, try out this

[last parcel]

!onoverwatch

ANOTHER CAT

[midnight totem]

This is what happens when you feed stray cats

[last parcel]

i gave a mouse a cookie

[grand perch]

have you learned nothing from vermintide

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-rat-6ix9ine-rat-hidden-rain-pains-rat-painachu-gif-22722285

[sinful swallow]

Is that what I think it is

[somber axle]

In my defense they got in before I started feeding them

[haughty solstice]

Thanks sneaky

[somber axle]

Good luck on the penance!

[devout rampart]

skaven yes yes

[last parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/582272317514842122/1252712239396421783/GifMeme_18052024071937.gif

[somber axle]

Oh also! You can underhand throw shredder frag grenades without breaking stealth. If you're surrounded while in stealth and need to make space to escape drop a pair of grenades and the room will go empty fast without risking you getting hit or breaking your stealth

Be careful with Krak grenades. They do break stealth when thrown even when underhand tossed into a target

[oblique totem]

And this is what I wake up to.

[faint beacon]

Yes

[flat crypt]

Cool 👀 didn't know that underhand throw makes that difference

time to rework my nade build x)

[somber axle]

Yeah it's kinda funny what you can do without breaking stealth

You can Rev your Chainsword or Chainaxe without breaking stealth too

Heretics sweating as they hear a chainsaw loudly start and get CLOSER without seeing anything

[flat crypt]

yea, that i've tested 😄

i've cursed many times that stealth is broken when throwing nades so this info might be a nice little game changer

at least for shits n giggles

[coral willow]

what about smokes

[livid peak]

I fed my stray cat and he keeps all the other cats away because he hates cats. Also, keeps away all the mice and rats too

dude is territorial and does not like sharing his humans or space with other cats

super sweet to his people though

[junior needle]

I lay claim to the title of original cat

[livid peak]

my cat would hate you too

just the way he is

[tall torrent]

Any underhand blitz throw

[coral willow]

so why does krak

not work

according to sneaky

[tall torrent]

Underhand

[coral willow]

@tall torrent

unless hes wrong

[tall torrent]

Hm, will Check

[somber axle]

Underhand breaks stealth iirc when it sticks to a target and pops

Only Kraks do it

The underhand throw itself doesn't break the stealth but the krak grenade going off does

Maybe it's a bug? Idk

[somber axle]

Smokes are fine too. Both shredder frag grenades and smoke grenades can be safely underhand tossed without breaking Infiltrate stealth

[coral willow]

does immolation or

stun nade also do that

not break stelf

[somber axle]

Idk about Zealot but you can use throwing knives in Shroud without breaking Shroud stealth iirc

You can probably underhand throw the Zealot grenades without breaking Shroud too but I've never tested those combos so I can't say for sure

[oblique totem]

That is a hilarious mental image

[somber axle]

YEAH LOL

[coral willow]

nope

[somber axle]

Unfortunate

Vet is the better stealth class confirmed

[oblique totem]

Vet best class

[somber axle]

[coral willow]

both for zealot and vet hitting just after stself doesnt break the stelf

but

shroud has more damage

so

you can use it twice essentially

[woven oak]

Shroudfield:

Stealth breaks on: hitting enemies with a melee attack; any ranged attack; throwing a grenade (normal or underhand); finishing a rescue/revive/pull up/free from net action; throwing knives only break stealth when they hit a target
• Stealth does not break on: pushing enemies; using stimms (on self or team mates); tick damage dealt by burn, bleed, and electrocution; exploding grenades that have been thrown before going invisible; operating the Auspex device or minigame

[somber axle]

Just for the first strike

[coral willow]

huh

[bitter turtle]

fwiw

underhand krak doesnt even magnetize

[bitter turtle]

so its a pretty useless maneuever anyway

[coral willow]

well it still sticks

[bitter turtle]

yeah i guess

[coral willow]

so maybe if you wanna stick it to a elite that isnt a ogryn maybe

[oblique totem]

Dakka dakka dakka

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-charger-grenade-bug-breach-objective-complete-gif-7174759602335503060

[midnight totem]

Chain glaive

[somber axle]

Idk how this compares to Zealot Shroudfield but on Vet lately I've been using Marksman (+20% weakspot power), Close Quarters Kill Zone (+15% close damage), For the Emperor (+10% melee base damage) and use them in combo with the +10% melee damage talent node, the +5% melee damage talent node, Desperado (+10% melee crit chance and +25% melee finesse), Bring It Down (+20% Monstrosity Damage), Focus Target 8 Stack (+4% damage per stack × 8 = +32% damage done), Precision Strikes (+30% Weak Spot damage), and Fire Team (+5% damage aura) to pull off some REALLY funny damage if you time a rev'd heavy Chainaxe Mk XII strike into a boss weak spot in combination with Thrust

It was funny doing this in games before I left for work

I love ripping and tearing into Daemonhosts

Desperado probably isn't providing that much value on a Chainaxe tbh

[last parcel]

i didn't go that far but

[somber axle]

But I love stacking damage

OH WHOOPS

I accidentally clicked the wrong talent LOL

[last parcel]

failure

face the wall

[somber axle]

Need to swap Superiority Complex to Marksman

[junior needle]

Yeah you can't do this, it breaks unfortunately

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-sad-despair-gif-25732605

[junior needle]

There's a short grace period when you initially stealth where you can get a hit in for free

But that's for any hit

And it's a very small window

[somber axle]

Oooh

Is that what lets you throw knives without breaking Shroud?

I never noticed LOL

[junior needle]

It's to prevent queued inputs from automatically fucking over your shroud

[somber axle]

Do you think Vet being able to underhand shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate is a bug?

[somber axle]

love that

Vet can definitely underhand throw their grenades (except for Krak) at any time during Infiltrate though

Without breaking it

I do it often while approaching a downed team mate to get ragers, maulers, poxwalkers, the weird Flamer who decided to use them to scrape gum off their boot, etc. away so they can get up and have the space to back off to safety instead of immediately rising into a mauler or crusher overhead, or even funnier: rager blender

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/plauge-doctor-hello-chat-gif-24257018

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-microwave-burnt-bye-cat-gif-25613088

[earnest sand]

No one told me we had AK's in Darktide

[midnight totem]

I'm pretty sure you can underhand krak

It's just balls useless to do so unless you're standing ontop of what you want to krak

[oblique totem]

You can underhand krak grenades, but why would you do that?

[stiff glacier]

Style points

[last parcel]

the style is "cat dropping a piece of shit on your chest"

[stiff glacier]

"Vibe check"

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-fail-throw-grenade-military-gif-16186959

[last parcel]

average day in bangkok

[earnest sand]

He threw that grenade like a fucking pussy

[clear lantern]

because he didn't throw it; you're not trained to throw flashbangs. You roll them. It was a bad roll; angle was too tight. Gutterball'd.

[earnest sand]

Angle was fine

He just cheese armed it

[clear lantern]

no, it wasn't. It hit the frame. But hey, they're training. That's what training is for.

[earnest sand]

Also permanent hearing damage

No ear muffs in sight and a bang went off behind their backs

I would beat the shit out of that guy for it

[uncut pebble]

Why are they all stacked up on the same side of the door is my question.

[coral willow]

why is there a singular heavy stubber model????/

vet eating good?????????????????

in like 40000 years?

[uncut pebble]

Either that or ogryns are finally getting precision weaponry that isn't a rock.

[coral willow]

could be also but

idk why would they give ogryn

hevy stubber

when they have heavy stubber twinlinked

[last parcel]

they get a slab shield on top

[vocal cipher]

If the ogryn gets precision weaponry, i’d rather it be a lascannon

[coral willow]

tbh

longlas for vet

and lascannon for ogryn

[agile forge]

Rokk.

[coral willow]

would be real fun

"boss here let me shoot"

deletes crusher

[rigid pilot]

Wouldn't it make more sense for the shield to be below

[vocal cipher]

And everyone behind him

[coral willow]

gets like 6 shots

[uncut pebble]

I would absolutely not say no to a lascannon.

[woeful ibex]

mod?

[vocal cipher]

Low ammo, But deals more damage than a fully laden garbage truck going 120 through a school zone

[woeful ibex]

Is this a mod or datamine?

[coral willow]

mod

[woeful ibex]

ah ok

[coral willow]

but probably datamine stuff

[rigid pilot]

6 shots so picking up a small ammo tin gives 0 ammo

[tawdry blade]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[last parcel]

it fell on top and now it stays that way

the window is on the side and out of view

[coral willow]

mt weapons dont create custom models

so if anything, its basically a datamine

[rigid pilot]

Most things have become a reality

[woeful ibex]

thanks

[junior needle]

I've seen homemade models on the modding server being discussed in the weapon customization topics

Including a guy posting WIP pics of stuff he was making

[rigid pilot]

Is there a way to add custom models to the game?

[somber axle]

I found an old reddit post with fun looking models they claim were datamined from a year ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/146v7fa/datamined_upcoming_ranged_weapons_and_variants/

But like this was a year ago and we haven't seen most of these

[thick kestrel]

aye remember that one, it's where we first saw the folding shovels iirc?

[somber axle]

Nah not that

[coral willow]

i assume so, but MT plugin usually doesnt craft models in

nor i see any textures

[somber axle]

This one shows two new variants of Shredder Autopistol, two new variants of Boltgun, the funny "Longlas" ans "Meltagun" icons that have been here since launch and some neat Revolver variants

[junior needle]

It wasn't the mod maker who was showcasing it

[coral willow]

shrug

[somber axle]

The looks are neat but like

[thick kestrel]

ah gotcha, different mine

[coral willow]

i dont think i have a mod that adds a custom texture/models

[somber axle]

Only the fan revolver and heavy laspistol made it in

[junior needle]

So I assume it's community made stuff that gets ported into it

[coral willow]

dont remember about longlas and melta

[coral willow]

no textures though

unless its a very smart crop of am existing mishmash of textures

MT stuff has no external textures from what i can tell

[somber axle]

There are two icons that people have said are Longlas and Meltagun but they've been in the files since the beginning of Darktide and nothing more has come from either of them

[coral willow]

ah that

i dont really care about them

since yknow

they also have a chain halberd or whatever that maulers carry

[stiff glacier]

I mean melta could be potentially more balanced plasma

[coral willow]

and that also didnt have a model

[coral willow]

melta/longlas never had a model so i never cared about em

[stiff glacier]

I yearn for the bolt pistol

[somber axle]

If they ever happen they're probably not going to have their final appearances exact to these

[stiff glacier]

I will have the proper sergeant build then

[coral willow]

none of them seem to have a mag

[austere mica]

Melta’s load from a canister in the right side usually

No idea about the longlas though

[coral willow]

ye since melta's reload is wierd

and theres a circular canister in the magazine section

i assume its for the melta

but the problem is longlas

[stiff glacier]

Melta is so poorly defined weapon

Its diffirent almost every iteration

[austere mica]

It’s either a shotgun or a death beam

[coral willow]

i mean melta is something that melts shit using fusion

in theorey a ball can be a melta

[stiff glacier]

I just think it as a 10 meter range laser that turns what it hits to either dust or molten slag

[thick kestrel]

gameplay wise... kind of a similar style to the plasma gun but with a capped short range and "wider" beam?

[somber axle]

From the reddit post

[thick kestrel]

that or running it more as a continuous beam weapon

[marsh helm]

Longlas is a bullpup sniper rifle by lore so the power "battery" ammo charger should be in front of the trigger, unless that one is a different variant that I don't know about.

[somber axle]

The looks are neat but you can tell from the models that only 2 of these ideas made it to the live game

[coral willow]

ye we thankfully seen most of it

[thick kestrel]

I mostly hope we see a Melta so we can get some proper Jurgan cosplay :>

[stiff glacier]

Grenade launcher

[thick kestrel]

bonus points if someone runs a VoC veteran along side them with the commisar gear

[somber axle]

The Shredder Autopistol variants and Boltgun variants interest me most

[stiff glacier]

That boltgun mag is in one of the bolter skins

[coral willow]

mark weapons are probably coming in either two or 3

so

well probably get one in 40000 year lifespan of this game

[woeful ibex]

My guess they're push back due to how OP they would be or DLC like Vermintide 2

[coral willow]

why woudl a longlas be op

[marsh helm]

people be thinking it would be like a tau railgun or something

[coral willow]

we already have one at home

plasma:

[marsh helm]

where walls and physical objects in the way of you and your target are merely a suggestion.

[muted knot]

I dont think people really understand that a Longlas would be a very niche Pick

Like ah yes let me Slam in a new cell after every shot

In a Horde shooter

Like youd have to drop your whole Talent tree into melee vet to be doing much

Cause i doubt you really want to Run exec with a sniperrifle

I doubt that it really has cleave ? Like its a lasrifle after all

It seems ive been missinformed by Gaunts Ghosts and a Hotspot Powerpack does indeed hold about 20 shota instead of one

[coral willow]

mk7a has cleave

and hellbores

both are "high" power rifles

[coral willow]

i assume its gonna be something like hellbore 3

but with more ammo consumption

like 12 ammo per pop

[dreamy spade]

Meaty

[feral bay]

Wait, there's variants of that?

[sinful swallow]

In files

Everything's got a light med heavy variant, just no idea what they actually would be statted to do

[hearty panther]

heavy shredder is just a stubber

[feral bay]

Give.

Please.

[sinful swallow]

Allegedly the heavy and med shredders would ads instead of brace

[serene bough]

weird none of the weapons coming soon are here

[sinful swallow]

There's an angevin stub rifle

[hearty panther]

i dunno what that is

[sinful swallow]

It's basically a gun suited to surgical bolter gameplay

[austere pine]

The Big Iron

or would that be

The Big Iron

[hardy ember]

Hotshot lasguns going to be a thing?

[wide pike]

I sure hope not

[austere pine]

that would invalidate like 99% of all weapon choices

[sturdy zephyr]

Is kantreal laspistol dmg much more even losing fire rate?

[tiny summit]

What are you firing? The entire cylinder!?

[slate hawk]

[austere pine]

more single target damage. better at picking off targets because you don't need to spend 2 shots killing sb but only 1. worse at boss dmg because you don't get to shoot as much, which you want

[tall torrent]

No, it’s not that good

[tall torrent]

It’s still 2+ shots vs most important enemies

[austere pine]

yeah but with specific builds it gets the job done faster

i'm not arguing it's better but it has its upsides

[tall torrent]

The only enemies it can normally 1 shot are scab gunner & both shotgunners

[austere pine]

same build my mk2 wasn't onehitting enemies that the mkx was

[odd sparrow]

its capable of reaching 1hit BP on gunners

[tall torrent]

U can push for dreg Gunner 1 shot if u play exe / MF

[odd sparrow]

wish the damage was a bit bigger on it tho

[tall torrent]

The problem with it is that it has really bad maniac ttk

Mk2 also has low maniac dmg but crits largely alleviate that problem and since u can shoot pretty fast, it’s not that big of a deal

Mk10 takes ~same headshots to kill but shoots much slower

[hearty panther]

mk10 is if you really almost exclusively quickswap

where youre at the point that when you draw the laspee your first shot is a headshot

it's quite potent with vet and wep spec

but yeah i would never call it a strict upgrade

all the laspee blessings promote fast fire rate

if it had deadly accurate ohhohohoOOO i fukken WISH

[sturdy zephyr]

I want to try if it can subtitute zarona (low ammo cap).

[hearty panther]

sorta

it'll never have the ridiculous penetration of the revolver

but its a similar enough niche

[sturdy zephyr]

I dont have idea for build. MF or WS

[sturdy zephyr]

Of course. Zarona punchthrough are absolute

[elder fiber]

It can work with mf too

[hearty panther]

i did it like this

its really just

you pretend to be zealot

two extra points left over btw

[coral willow]

power sword meming

[hearty panther]

if zealot had power sword we wouldnt even use it

[sturdy zephyr]

Looks solid i should give a go

Thanks for the highlight.

Since 2extra skill pts. Rending or supress immune are good?

[hearty panther]

lasguns are pretty immune already

not TOTALLY it turns out but

so much so that i never noticed

rending you dont really need

youll have kraks for carapace and the laspee has hilarous flak and crit adm

so either

+25 into Bring it Down

or Close Order Drill + Confirmed Kill at the top

or w/e you want really

reciprocity is also good

there's options

[tiny summit]

Yea Infil/MK10 laspis/WS is like a favorite vet build for me atm

[flint lake]

How do smoke grenades work?

[flint lake]

ty

[thick kestrel]

for a general use thing for smokes... do we think throw them at your feet or throw it at enemy's feet?

[serene bough]

Generally at your feet

You can treat it as a psyker bubble for generalization purposes

[hearty panther]

you wanna be in the cloud

[sleek garden]

you can also throw it in the middle to obscure more enemy view

throw it between and eventually the enemy shooters will be forced to push up through the smoke

[earnest sand]

Irl fun fact, a smoke grenade is most effective if you throw it on top of the enemy. They can't see anything but you can see them

[hearty panther]

https://clips.twitch.tv/GloriousSparklingLocustMVGame-Jz-5Kj1ALHcXunO0

[hoary horizon]

Any fun weapon specialist hellbore build?

Because damn do i hate trying to make a lasweapon build

[uncut pebble]

Depending on the type of smoke and whether or not they have thermals, you'll be handicapping yourself with that one.

Anywho, darktide smokes are arguably the best utility grenade in the game.

The ability to just turn off shooters is huge.

[astral ingot]

You can also turn off shooters by killing them

[hearty panther]

lemme know when you can outpace a smoke grenade

[midnight totem]

Not that I know of. Sadly, the helbore just doesn't lend itself well to wps keystone

[last parcel]

wep spec helbore means you’ll have to constantly deal with the slow ass swap speed or do the janky “swap to ranged and activate executioner’s stance” move to actually activate WS (executioner’s stance won’t activate wep spec on its own)
i ran this and it worked but i wouldn’t call it very fun so

[tall torrent]

There’s no good WS Helbore build basically

Because WS simply doesn’t work for Helbore

[tall torrent]

Exe stance doesn’t activate WS

Exe stance is “equip”, not “swap to”

[last parcel]

i thought i mentioned that

[tall torrent]

Nvm I’m blind

[last parcel]

hi blind

[tall torrent]

But yea WS Helbore is basically not a real thing

Due to how WS is coded

[hoary horizon]

Gonna make this work

[last parcel]

gl

🫡

[grand perch]

how you ask? with hacks of course!

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-gmod-idiot-box-das-bo-schitt-gif-15097258

[last parcel]

me when i get hacked into pieces and piled into a trash bag

[faint beacon]

Burying the bag in the woods

[somber axle]

I think this might've been the first time I've legitimately seen someone in Auric Damnation who didn't know you could push poxbursters

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-huh-what-gif-14848454493863729355

how does someone get to level 30 and throw themselves into Aurics without learning this

[faint beacon]

That’s a good question

20 hours in I learned about a good chunk of the important techs

[last parcel]

who pushes poxbursters when you can just plasma them

we’ve lost the witch

[grand perch]

my gf plays with a premade sometimes, level 60-ish

they always shoot bursters. even when theyre right in their face. its maddening. even when you tell them to stop blowing them up in your face

[faint beacon]

I recall

Getting off and just going to bed

When our Psyker killed one

And it launched me off the map

Killing me instantly

[tawny badger]

boosted

[tawny badger]

me but with yellow barrels

also did poxburster explosions always do friendly fire bc I do not remember them hurting enemies before

[grand perch]

i had a clip of me getting boosted off a ledge while at 8/10 missions without dying. because a stray assail shard flew all the way from the other side of the bridge in the torrent, hit a barrel behind me and i didnt notice. shit was planned by tzeentch i tell you

[tawny badger]

"my beloved" aka tzeentch

[grand perch]

an unaimed assail shard i might mention

[tawny badger]

the shard got the tzeentch colors and everything bro

[faint beacon]

Lord of change is always scheming and plotting

[tawny badger]

dear tzeentch
how about you go change your marital status to "not single"

[faint beacon]

Changes it to neither

Why

Cause it’s funny

[somber axle]

do people actually get boosted accounts in this game??

[earnest sand]

What you mean boosted? Level 1 gazillion?

[last parcel]

probably buying an account with characters levelled to 30

or just getting carried by a premade

maybe one or two people would buy an account

[earnest sand]

I seen people buy boosted accounts for basically not playing the game

[hearty panther]

the answer is always yes

never forget that suckers are born every second and some suckers have more money than sense

[fleet thicket]

how important

[hearty panther]

very

[fleet thicket]

is

stability

[somber axle]

the only way that could possibly be worth it is if an old player is selling a Darktide account FULL of cosmetics worth way more than the cash amount they're asking

but then there are people with more money than sense LOL

[hearty panther]

my old blizzard account was basically just for Overwatch and Diablo III

[somber axle]

not very important

[hearty panther]

when i got bored of both i randomly fell into one of said sites and sold my account for a whole $80. Which would have been the exact price of buying both games with zero risk of being banned.

[somber axle]

Kantrael Shotgun also has the highest spread pattern of the three shotgun variants so even if you had a perfect 80% stability stat it would still struggle for long range sniper killing but it's still a very good gun. Stability and Mobility are your dump stats

[hearty panther]

Not my problem tho

[somber axle]

When I got bored of WoW I gave my Blizzard account to my brother. It had all sorts of Diablo goodies, Overwatch goodies and WoW goodies I'd collected from over the years

I'd spent irrational levels of money on that account and felt like it should go to someone I know

I paid for a virtual blizzcon ticket one year exclusively to get the Skybreaker mount

I also bought one for my S.O. at the time

[hearty panther]

Some games do have wild grind so I sort of get it. It's a shortcut to get to the parts you actually wanna play.

But like ... Diablo III is JUST about grind lmao

And Overwatch, well, unless that guy I sold it to happened to already be a Diamond/Top 500 level player

Then ranked was not gonna be a good time

But again w/e it means I basically got to play both games for free for whatever number of years.

[tall torrent]

Irrelevant for shotguns

[serene bough]

i cant believe people buy WoW, subscribe to it, spend money on ingame cosmetics, etc., only to pay someone else to play their account for them and grind out the game's content

just the thought of that is madness

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kyle-is-it-madness-gif-21929710

[bitter turtle]

its not as insane as it sounds since stuff is gated behind grinding before you're allowed to have fun in games like that sometimes

like the DT equivalent would be payinng someone to grind plasteel for you

which isnt that insane

not that i'd do it though

at that point that's the sign the game isn't actually fun to me and i should just quit

[serene bough]

thats why it sounds like insanity to me

why pay so much for something that isnt fun

[hearty panther]

at $500 it better be a hell of a course

and not just "generic expensive food but with gold flakes"

for like a sit down meal restaurant? that's pretty up there even for some michelin starred places

you're in what, montreal

cause dinner for two where i am at like, actual good places, not just expensive

$100-150

there was an EXPENSIVE place before but it was co-ran by Noma in Denmark which is legit like

one of the world's top chefs

and that was still only $250 a table per head

like in Denmark, Noma?

cause ive 'been there', but a shitty subsidiary in london ontario lul

still incredible mind you, they didnt skimp

well sort of bundled into that is the travel experience

are hotels not the principle cost anymore

i havent flown in fifteen fukken years

man food in north america is just sad isnt it

i mean you can find good stuff

but on the whole

spending four years in europe and then coming back was like

oh wow, this is all terrible

gimme dat sushi cube

[frank ether]

I'd say you're not helping my diet

but these portions look diet friendly

[hearty panther]

this is a much better diet yeah

but uh, not affordable

[frank ether]

when is good food ever affordable tbh

only if I make it at home

I think of money spend on good food as money spend on yourself tbh

I'm a europoor so best I can do is go to a local kebab shop every once in a while

[bitter turtle]

sometimes you really enjoy the good parts but hate the bad parts a lot too

[frank ether]

not many good places around here for chinese food

[bitter turtle]

i mean does it sound that insane

to get soemone to grind plasteel for you

not that i'd do it again, but

[radiant chasm]

There is only one good authentic mexican place and it’s 6 miles away from my house

[bitter turtle]

the insane part to me

[hearty panther]

the trick is to live downtown in a foodie city and get to walking

[bitter turtle]

is that its literally cheaper

to visit japan

[radiant chasm]

But it’s soooo good and like the only place in montana you can get something that good

[bitter turtle]

and eat well

than it is to travel domestically to new york

and still have to penny pinch

[hearty panther]

like if i could i would not be in london ontario, i would be in old town QC or Gastown

[radiant chasm]

I wish america would stop being scared of walkable cities

[bitter turtle]

i dont even go off season

[radiant chasm]

Or just, public transportation in general

[bitter turtle]

and its still cheap

i go right after christmas for comiket

flight is literally like 700-800 dollars round trip

and lodgings are cheap compared to NY too

i wetn to NY ONCE to visit family

never fucking again

literally i spent more there in like a week and a half vs nearly 3 weeks in japan

[frank ether]

arent paychecks relative to that though

[bitter turtle]

idk maybe its just cause im familiar with japan and know how to game it but

[frank ether]

with big cities its always the same

[somber axle]

That's kinda wild. Some of the buffets here in Vegas have fantastic food for a fraction of the cost you mention

[frank ether]

expensive as shit, but you also earn a lot if you work there

[hearty panther]

thats cause vegas wants you in to gamble

its a loss leader

[bitter turtle]

yeah i mean

buffets are just bait for people

to come into the casino and hopefully gamble

[somber axle]

There's an all you can eat buffet here at the Palms that does Lobster Dinner for $64.99 iirc and that's so, so much food on top of having lobster

[somber axle]

Sure but even like Benihana's, a place where we get dinner and a show not connected to any casino, I spend less money and get a funny chef doing a hadouken fireball out of his palms while he cooks my food

[bitter turtle]

man

every time i come back from japan

i just feel like

why are the restaurants in america so fucking shit

[hearty panther]

thats what i was saying

[somber axle]

I took a friend to Benihana's when they visited and spend maybe $200-ish for both our meals

[bitter turtle]

2x the price and it tastes worse

and is less healthy too to boot

[somber axle]

It's kinda wild imagining spending $500 on a meal for a single person

[bitter turtle]

i always make a trip to tsukiji fish market

idk the fish is way better than anything i can find here

also half the "sushi" restaurants here have mayo'd up rolls and other disgusting shit

[somber axle]

I guess it depends on how you value the food. I could spend $500 on a single meal for myself but I can't imagine the meal being good enough to be worth $500 given what I have access to in Vegas for less

That makes more sense

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

i forgot to add

and you dont have to be guilted into tipping 20% of the bill too

i hate eating out in america lmao

[somber axle]

It's nice visiting places outside the US and seeing the food

I've visited friends in other countries and in other states

It's always wild when a friend talks up their state having good food and then they bring you to a bar

Their best isn't even as good as the worst I've eaten in Vegas LMFAO

[hearty panther]

"hey exploits we're going out tonight, we were trying to decide between Jack Astors, Montanas, or Kelseys, where would you wanna go?"
"into a shallow grave"

[fleet thicket]

Thx I see

[silk finch]

Any recomended build for plasma gun ?

[fleet thicket]

Is kantrael anny good btw kantrael shotgun?

[somber axle]

I had a friend hype up waffle houses to me since I'd never been only for it to be the most basic and bland breakfast experience I've ever had

Gotta remember that a lot of people live out in the middle of nowhere with nothing cool and no understanding of what cool things even are

[last parcel]

you go to waffle house for the fights

idk why they were eating

[somber axle]

Maybe I got a bad cook or something

The food was so, so bland

[elder fiber]

You go to waffle house b/c its 2am, you're drunk and nothing else is open

[tall torrent]

Worst shotgun rn imo

[fleet thicket]

wait really?

wow oaky

what did they do to lawmaker to make it good? XD

although worse shotgun is probably still a strong gun i think XD

[hearty panther]

all the shotguns got buffed but kantrael specifically had the special nerfed for cleave value (doesnt go through whole bodies anymore)

and honestly that special carried the entire thing, imo anyway

so the special is now less effective than lawbringer special at clearing trash and the actual regular shot is grossly underperforming at any distance further than eight meters

[fleet thicket]

so i got a

power sword

i need your help with it

[hearty panther]

there is some saving grace in that if you ADS and fire it does tighten the choke a bit and it offsets a good deal of the damage fall off but it still has a LOT of spread

[serene bough]

Guess they must really enjoy the good parts to front such a heavy price

[tall torrent]

They nerfed fire shots’ cleave from ∞ down to 4.5

And Kantrael has the least consistent 1 taps with reg shots

[fleet thicket]

its only 70% damage

is this any good man?

[tall torrent]

Usable but not ideal

[marsh helm]

but worry not, you have the new double barrelled shotty soon, thats not gonna be OP at all im sure /sarcasm

[fleet thicket]

i see thx

[tall torrent]

Ideally u want BM / Sunder instead of slaughterer or rampage

[fleet thicket]

wait hmm

really ?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[fleet thicket]

can i ask when did they become meta? what does sunder even do i never heard it before XD

[tall torrent]

Slaughterer is prob 3rd pick for power sword’s second blessing

[tall torrent]

BM became meta after its rework
Sunder just allows u to cleave basically everything

[hearty panther]

the double barrel, if it shares current shotgun blessings, will probably kick a lot of ass

[fleet thicket]

i see thank you

[tall torrent]

Sunder is very strong for cleaving (staggering) scab ragers & maulers

[fleet thicket]

btw why not flak maniac but instead unyeliding caprapace?

[marsh helm]

if the double barrel doesnt gib mutants up close like they were hit with a rev'd chainsword im gonna be real mad.

[fleet thicket]

does it automatically penetrates those armor types?

[tall torrent]

Because flak has no notable breakpoint gains

[fleet thicket]

i see thank you

[tall torrent]

Maniac has 1 but it’s very niche

Ideally it’s elite as priority

Then maniac

[junior needle]

Whose idea was it to do this? This is the worst marketing I've ever seen in my life.

[tall torrent]

It’s bad we know

Tmr maybe dev blog?

[fleet thicket]

whats the combo

on elites thne on power sword 6?

push attack light?

[tall torrent]

SP > BC > L1 > L2 > L3 for everything except carapace & unyielding

For carapace & unyielding it’s SP > BC > PA > L4

[junior needle]

I love how fatshark added that "feature" to the power swords where your combo isn't reset when pressing special anymore

And all it did was make them slightly more tedious to use

[tall torrent]

Only changed for people who don’t block cancel the special activation on PS6

[junior needle]

I'm gonna assume that people block canceling for regular lights were a minority

[tall torrent]

Well
The minority is people with power cycler 4 to even care about the change

[hearty panther]

sequenns was talkin bout the power sword earlier

and mentioned its the most used weapon in the game

thats pretty sad to me

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent any idea how i meant ot use lawbringers special btw?

[hearty panther]

honestly? dont

[fleet thicket]

it seem to have massive stagger and cleave though

[hearty panther]

ammo isnt worth wasting on hordes, but really, line their heads up horizontally and pull

[tall torrent]

Use it to stack scattershot in horde once

Yea that’s abt it

[hearty panther]

best use case imo is a room of spread/spreading out shooters

[tall torrent]

Because then scattershot + manstopper just chain reactions

[austere mica]

Packs of shooters or horde if you have Manstopper+ scattershot

[hearty panther]

otherwise just ADS click heads

[fleet thicket]

it got higher stagger value though i thinkl

[tall torrent]

All shotguns have really high stagger

[hearty panther]

yea like you can stop multiple reapers with the special

you wont be killing them tho

[fleet thicket]

no i mean the special got higher than normal

stagger vlaue tbf

[tall torrent]

It’s per pellet hit I believe?

It’s spread out per pellet

[hearty panther]

dont think it is actually, for the special

but no fukken clue

[tall torrent]

I’m not bored enough to think abt FS’s arcane maths

[hearty panther]

im only under that impression from experience

[fleet thicket]

i checked tbf its knocking things down faster

it takes 2-3 shots for same amount of stagger

[hearty panther]

oh its just outclassed by its shotgun brothers. i feel anyway

and boy that damage drop off to me is

brutal af

[tall torrent]

The range is a bit limited imo

[hearty panther]

with no respite ye

but its like

could just have a more reliable go with the lawbringer, more shells

faster fire rate for whatever thats worth

[tall torrent]

LB has +40rpm vs Kant

I think

[hearty panther]

but if you the player cant actually set up a shot faster than the shell cycles then

it wont matter

yea its two shots and scoot 90% of the time

[frank ether]

lmao

[tall torrent]

I can’t wait to add another ranged weapon page with just 1 weapon in its 3 slots in my guide

And that 1 weapon happens to be mid

[hearty panther]

nah i suspect the double barrel will fuck

[frank ether]

I don't feel shotguns in this game

[hearty panther]

full bore + no respite on a gun that does two near-instant high damage shots? oh yes.

[tall torrent]

Is the double barrel for Ogryn or for reg characters

[frank ether]

I'm sure someone out there loves them and I get that they have some busted blessing synergies

they just feel lame and gamey to me

[tall torrent]

There is, it’s called manstopper throwing knife

I don’t enjoy them outside of that one funny way to play tho

[austere mica]

Wait that works

[frank ether]

I don't soypog over these obtuse blessing/talent synergies it doesn't do it for me

[elder fiber]

I think explicitly only the pickaxes are ogryn weapons

[tall torrent]

Shock maul too

But tbh low hopes for all of them

[frank ether]

I think darktide needs to focus less on talent/blessing interactions

and more on the weapons and animations

bolter ads is still jank as fuck

my IAGs need mods for me to see where they are even shooting

[tall torrent]

I basically went back to DRG while waiting for DT next patch lol

[frank ether]

the viewmodels fovs are terribly zoomed in I also need a mod to correct that

I'm happy that there are people making these mods so I can actually enjoy guns in this game

I like how this chat has been yapping about recon for over a year now but I have never seen anyone complain about its dogshit viewmodel

[tall torrent]

I don’t rly have problem with ADS in this game

For the most part

[frank ether]

At this point

Its a wasted effort to complain about it

so I'll take my mods and be happy

[tame lodge]

I pushed through the ads problem, although I do have my preferences

[frank ether]

Everyone does have their preference but as a PC player you are not supposed to have gun models that obscure like %60 of your screen

thats like a console brainrot thing that invaded the fps game market

Its fine for someone playing on a massive TV sitting far far away from it

and not so much for a PC player looking at 24-27'' monitor from up close

[tame lodge]

Hmmm, fair enough

[frank ether]

either way I have decided to give recon another go

but this time I will mod the viewmodel to look like its quake or something

[tall torrent]

I tried the weapon FoV mod but it has weird issues with my characters’ arm lol

[hearty panther]

i care for the solutions even less than the problem

[frank ether]

the viewmodels were not made with very high FoV's in mind

so they kinda break if you increase it too much

but I managed to make most irons look tolerable

and I sacrifice a lot less peripheral vision for it too because my game is not zoomed in to 40 FoV when I aim down sights

[tall torrent]

Yea weapon FOV even just above 70 is really pushing it

[frank ether]

could be worse. I just feel bad for the average plebian playing this game

[slow spade]

all games should be made for Quake levels of FOV

120 FOV minimum

[frank ether]

I think its just that games are no longer made for pc players first anymore

we're like the afterthought and actually kinda lucky if the game even has a proper modding scene

[slow spade]

especially if you're into Japanese games :c

god fucking Vanillaware

LET ME PLAY YOUR GAMES

[frank ether]

lmao

fromsoft try not to give me motion sickness challenge

impossible

I have to jump through so many hoofs to play elden ring without screen tearing or motion sickness

[slow spade]

indeed

Vanillaware literally doesn't even port their games to PC

pain

[frank ether]

japanese gaming industry is fucking weird

well not like it matters much anymore

most of the IPs I cared about got sold or blundered

square enix, konami, nintendo, these are like ubi or ea tiers of garbage when it comes to management

[hidden torrent]

How all my fellow vet games going

[frank ether]

yapping while waiting for update

If its any good I might even stop blueballing hadron

[mental cloud]

Not bad, still yet to get the over watch penance… 🙄🙄

[somber axle]

Vanilla no mods clown only final destination

https://tenor.com/view/final-destination-laser-zhu-falco-gif-22134947

[somber axle]

That one isn't too bad

Grab Infiltrate with the Low Profile and Overwatch nodes

Play near the team

[mental cloud]

Yeah that’s what I’ll have to do. Was hoping to just get it naturally, I need to get that smoke penance too so I can knock that out as well. @somber axle

[somber axle]

Some people have done it with Voice of Command but like it's so much easier to do with Infiltrate and Low Profile

10 seconds of stealth followed by 10 seconds of -90% threat, that you can do twice for a combined 40 seconds of enemies leaving you alone during intense fights and STILL continue to battle during Low Profile is just way more powerful than VoC for avoiding melee HP damage

Sneaky hours

[mental cloud]

Fair and who knows I may fall in love with infiltrate and use it for a wild build.

[somber axle]

Even easier if you have a Tauntgryn friend

I'm using Infiltrate a lot more lately with Surprise Attack even if the damage buff and damage window are only 5 sec

Usually I only take Low Profile and no other nodes when running Infiltrate

[mental cloud]

Maybe I could offer him my extra rations. 🤔🤔

[tall torrent]

Stealth is 8s pretty sure

[somber axle]

Going all in on damage from Marksman, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone, and then getting a 3 stack Thrust heavy Rev strike into a boss weakspot is delicious

[somber axle]

Oh just checked. Yeah 8 seconds. That's still 36 seconds of no fear from being attacked though

[mental cloud]

Sounds like the DT version of a stealth archer just saying.

[somber axle]

I like using Low Profile with my Mk II Helbore sometimes for certain map modifiers. Being free to shoot distant threats has made a lot of fights a lot smoother than they would have been otherwise

10 seconds of taking out specials/elites without needing to dodge dance or swap melee to deal with the horde is so strong

[hearty panther]

"man my teams are so much worse lately"
-no longer giving everyone gold toughness for 15s-
"shit yeah"

[somber axle]

That's my trick

I was never giving them gold toughness

[mental cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-absolutely-out-of-his-mind-stan-marsh-kyle-broflovski-kenny-mccormick-south-park-gif-22284111

[somber axle]

Executioner's Stance main

But I like doing Infiltrate sometimes

[hearty panther]

you use VoC to heal and proc gold toughness
i use VoC to proc skullcrusher on my og shovel
we are not the same

[somber axle]

I use the VoC Vet in my squad as a pinata to shake in front of my enemies to get their attention while I shoot things

He has gold toughness he will be fine

[frank ether]

[somber axle]

My FOV is basic and so am I

[frank ether]

kinda why I want yellow toughness to be gutted instead of VoC itself

I like the stun, I like all the ultimate damage modifiers you can stack

[drowsy aspen]

No, buff gold toughness

Give it to Ogryn

[mental cloud]

Main thing I do as well, I like melting all the elites and bosses, gold toughness is a perk

Match it with the hellbore

[tall torrent]

I would have loved to use infiltrate
If it didn’t point tax more than VoC

[frank ether]

It is healthier to discuss what makes something broken instead of declaring that entire thing broken because it interacts with an inherently broken mechanic

I mean.. yeah

[tall torrent]

Nerf CDR first

[frank ether]

is CDR a problem when you use exec or infil

not from my experience

they sure could nerf the CDR talent

It wouldn't kill voc

[tall torrent]

I mean CDR in general across all classes

[frank ether]

I disagree

I think getting CDR through active mechanics is fun

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with removing VoC gold toughness completely and replacing with TDR

[tall torrent]

Yes, but the value can be tuned down a little

[frank ether]

the alternative is removing all CDR and giving ults cooldowns accordingly, there is no neuron activation there, just waiting

[tall torrent]

Drop tac awareness from -6s to -5s

Stuff like that

It’s not going to kill the talent but it’s going to drop the ability uptime

[frank ether]

drop it to 3 for all I care, but then give exe and infil their own cooldown nodes

so there is less incentive for every build to go down middle path

[tall torrent]

I think infil should just have a shorter cooldown
And exe’s problem isn’t rly cooldown related

[winter grove]

I don't think exe even needs CDR

[frank ether]

exe already has its reset thingy as a node

u are right

problem is exe itself

[tall torrent]

The incentive is still really high because iron will, demo team & bring it down

Plus some guns benefit from rending strikes

[frank ether]

infiltrate could use a node for CDR and have some of those nodes just built in

nothing crazy

but I dislike the idea of invisibility just having low cd

it allows for degenerate no gameplay playstyles to excel at existing

[winter grove]

Best friend of ilas and vraks players

[frank ether]

in fact here is my proposal

have a really strong CDR perk for infiltrate

but here is the catch

you can either take threat reduction

or CDR

[winter grove]

Who even takes threat reduction

[tall torrent]

Most people who know what to do with infil

[frank ether]

So you can either be a goblin that dumps aggro or you use infil for the damage/TDR nodes and get to spam it more often

imo this would be a healthier direction than just giving it base short cd

[tall torrent]

Isn’t this basically Dishonored high chaos playthrough

[frank ether]

I mean, dishonored is a based game

[serene bough]

Taking threat reduction w/ infiltrate is a no brainer it's 10 seconds of extra invisible against ranged

[winter grove]

Next thing we know Vet can stop time

[winter grove]

I took TDR on mine

[tall torrent]

I’m ok to this kind of idea but the issue is
Having a high CDR sub node + tac awareness could be insane

[frank ether]

Anyway I hope this explains my though process on how I want CDR mechanics to exist for ults