veteran-class

[somber axle]

the difference is, surprisingly, not as big as you'd imagine

but it does change things

it does not change breakpoints for bayonet stabs on MOST targets

the only one I've seen changed is the Flak Rager

which takes 1 extra stab

OH AND

dreg gunner takes 1 extra stab

[tiny summit]

So ~15% dmg loss for a 80 vs 0% dmg differential

[somber axle]

reapers take an extra stab too

and bulwarks

So Flak Ragers, Dreg Gunners, Reapers and Bulwarks will take 1 extra bayonet stab when using a 0% Helbore Mk II vs using an 80% Helbore Mk II

this is without desperado though

so with desperado it meets all the same breakpoints

even just fire team would push it to meeting all the same breakpoints

focus target or redirect fire would make it hit the same breakpoints

like it's juuuuust low enough to be pushed into needing extra stabs unless you do a tiny bit of talent point investment

[tiny summit]

So in reality with a non-memey stat align helbore, the dmg difference for the bayonet is neglible

[somber axle]

pretty much

Bayonet is just so good it doesn't care

[oblique totem]

Has it happened?

[somber axle]

Has what happened

[bitter turtle]

It

clearly

[oblique totem]

Hadron update

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[oblique totem]

Gonna guess no, then?

[tall torrent]

Next update is on 25th (9 days away)

No crafting update dev blog yet

So prob not coming in next update

Dev blog could be next Thursday (20th)

[somber axle]

I did a test

my 0% damage Mk II Helbore still 3HKOs Crushers in Exe Stance

that's without +Carapace perk

LOL

with +Carapace it would 2HKO

[last parcel]

the juice never ends

[somber axle]

Backup

you're going to laugh at how this counts as a 2HKO

it's actually slightly short of damage on getting the 2HKO

HOWEVER...

it still gets the 2HKO

[hearty panther]

you dont understand if my weapon doesnt have perfect 80s on its damage mod it wont work at all and if i queue into damnation i physically explode to death irl

[somber axle]

I meant for this to also show the 0% damage Helbore but it didn't record that part

the infernus fire is literally pushing it into 2HKO range

[last parcel]

infernus chads stay winning

[somber axle]

without the fire it cannot reach 2HKO

[last parcel]

same energy as taking serrated blade for bayonet bp

[somber axle]

I'd have to swap my other perk to elite to meet it

with fire I don't have to

I did need to put +Cara on it to meet the 2HKO though

I want to scare people in games by using a 0% damage Helbore to 2HKO Crushers

[last parcel]

99% of the playerbase on their way to not inspect your gear:

[somber axle]

no one will ever know the clown they play with

[last parcel]

the ghost of silliness

[hearty panther]

neat

now that i have achieved funny number, i shall conquer the verse

[austere mica]

Day ????? of rolling for manstopper, still not there

[last parcel]

it's easier if you roll on a new character ~level 15

[somber axle]

Mine's not 550

[hearty panther]

cower in your inferiority

what to play today

[austere mica]

I have one

[last parcel]

play this
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4169cb-12f2-44c5-af41-0f4371536164/god-tier-vet

[midnight totem]

What the f

[hearty panther]

never speak to me again

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cube-digital-shame-cube-cover-enclose-gif-5004249

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-tadc-gif-2518361363759790716

[inland orchid]

damn pomni reboundin more than a point blank krak grenade

[earnest sand]

Gotta bounce

[feral bay]

TWEWY player spotted?

[oblique totem]

Pomni ballin?

[midnight totem]

Pomni goes to 40k

[faint beacon]

I hate that image

[feral bay]

I know we're supposed to abhor the mutant, but kissing a deathclaw is alright only until it decides to kill you.

[last parcel]

[feral bay]

Yeah. This is the sad reality.

((Without mods, anyway.))

[last parcel]

i'm a sick fuck and i like a quick fuck

[feral bay]

I would stop being sick first.

That's a lot of stress to put on your body.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/louis-pillshere-pills-l4d-louis-pills-gif-20468869

[faint beacon]

Nurgle would be happy though

[feral bay]

Well, we ain't heretics around here.

[faint beacon]

You’d be surprised

Heretics are hiding under every rock

[oak gorge]

Heretics hiding under the ogryns rock even

[feral bay]

That's why you chuck 'em at heretics, big man. Kill two heretics with one rock.

[oak gorge]

[faint beacon]

Double Donk SFX if it manages to kill two with one rock throw

[somber axle]

Add a node to let Ogryn rocks continue momentum through targets with a small amount of cleave

[slow sky]

dont play vet too often since im typically hard locked to zealot, and wanted to actually make a build that uses a good knife on vet instead of just continuing to default to dclaw like i always do everytime
any thoughts

[somber axle]

Line up 3 muties and go bowling

[slow sky]

still cant decide on what gun to use tbh tho

[last parcel]

shredder autopistol

max shred

[faint beacon]

Look I’ve managed a 3 for 1 on mutants just the rock bounces off them and maintains its damage while falling

[somber axle]

OH NEAT

I didn't know it could do that

[faint beacon]

You just have to get really lucky

Why me and my friends freak out over Double Donks with it lmao

[somber axle]

I live in Vegas so I have to rig luck in my favour with crits or it doesn't happen

Deadshot forever

[slow sky]

i do have this from when it used to be busted op
but i only really used it then cuz of how fuckin broken it was, im not a real fan of the accuracy and range

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/benny-fallout-new-vegas-shot-the-game-was-rigged-from-the-start-gun-gif-17170137

[faint beacon]

If you don’t want to think use the CIAG

[somber axle]

Or plasma

Or zarona revolver

[feral bay]

Revolver is nice for the 'complete a game with 100% accuracy and no ammo left' penance.

[faint beacon]

True

[slow sky]

i was thinking about plasma honestly
cuz zarona is great and all, my favorite gun, but im using the mk3 knife, the only thing that the zarona does that the knife doesnt is hit things that are 1000 light years away

[faint beacon]

It’s what I did

[faint beacon]

Be cool and use the GIAG

[slow sky]

vs the plasma which can actually fuck up groups, which the knife isnt too great at by comparison

[feral bay]

Same. But back when you always got ammo from specials/elites.

[last parcel]

giag on my nuts

[faint beacon]

For I am a firm White Bread gun user

[slow sky]

plus the plasma doesnt need any talents to be fucking stupid

lmao

[somber axle]

Empty talent tree plasma challenge

[faint beacon]

IAG’s basically need onslaught if you plan to use them more

Or well at least against crushers or maulers

[midnight totem]

ringmaster title got

[faint beacon]

Also I started using the Slow Firerate high cleave Stubber on Ogryn recently, is it normal to just not brace it as much

It feels wrong but it’s fun to use unbraced

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-a-clown-youre-the-entire-circus-gif-18125166

[umbral cloud]

Killshot Ready is a horrible penance 😭 Crab walking with my trusty plasma gun

[faint beacon]

Thank god I finished that forever ago

[midnight totem]

if I'm a ringmaster now, do I get to order clowns around?

[gilded rock]

benner new vegas

https://tenor.com/view/benny-benny-gecko-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-new-vegas-gif-13606780440933994746

[austere mica]

YES

YES

[faint beacon]

Did you wait for it in shop or just attempt rolling with a low level reject

[austere mica]

I have a level 15 vet to try and find it

but found it randomly in my Zealots armory

[faint beacon]

Cause I cannot begin to explain how painful it was realizing I had to not level up my Zealot at lvl 17

Just to get Flechette and Manstopper

[austere mica]

I can finally go do marksmans focus

[faint beacon]

Realizing it’s a Kantrael as well

We love dragons breath

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-blank-stare-existential-crisis-gif-1974929007435593398

[austere mica]

I don't care

I just have it now

I almost missed it too, 4 minutes on the shop reset

Also realizing I have literally 3 guns on my vet

and one of them is basically an untouched sub 500 orange

[midnight totem]

Pick me up a mocha cookie crumble frappuccino, sub out mocha for white mocha, and tell them to make it crème based

[faint beacon]

If you don’t do it exactly that way I will throw the coffee in your face and threaten to fire you

[austere pine]

mk2 evis with shroudfield?

[oblique totem]

I don't think you can really order clowns around. More like just pointing in a general direction and let nature take its course.

[slow sky]

not too bad
this was in the pox gas/sniper/monster auric maelstrom

[faint beacon]

You’re the fucking Printer?

I’ve had a few matches with before in the past without even realizing it

[slow sky]

probably on my zealot Lestrade

or if it was a long time ago it was on my psyker Asher Mir

[faint beacon]

I’m usually on my Veteran Siegfried or my Ogryn Byeah

[unique orchid]

i'm usually on my Vet named Aurren

[faint beacon]

Rarely do I play my Psyker or Zealot

[civic knot]

Is manstoppper worth it on lawbringer?

[faint beacon]

Crit builds absolutely

[earnest sand]

Mk3 or mk6 for power sword?

[faint beacon]

Deletes hordes

[slow sky]

manstopper gives infinite cleave, and scattershot can make it happen most shots

[faint beacon]

Both are good just MK6 is better

[civic knot]

ye but doesnt that make it better for kantrael?

[slow sky]

ik this is vet chat but with zealot throwing knives and the fact that they inherit weapon blessing, manstopper gives them infinite cleave allowing one thrown knife to kill 50+ ragers if theyre all in a line
really funny

[faint beacon]

DB special already has inf cleave shockingly

[somber axle]

Ok I'll pick one up and drink it. You'll get one empty cup that used to have that inside it

[last parcel]

what if you spit it back into the cup

[kindred vapor]

hows this on a knife vet build? with the perk that applies a stack of bleed per hit it seems pretty nice

[last parcel]

actually wait no people would pay extra for that

[civic knot]

Also scattershot + manstopper makes u miss breakpoints for several important elites and specialists

[somber axle]

That costs extra

[unique orchid]

ive one similar but with uncanny instead of riposte, s'a good knife though

[civic knot]

what is DB?

[midnight totem]

[last parcel]

dragon's breath

fire round

[civic knot]

ye but its kinda bad for elites, it takes forever to load and is only good when they are lined up

[slow sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040753293351206994/1179547725432369152/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.29_-_17.20.15.05.mp4?ex=66700e2c&is=666ebcac&hm=2805ddce064f573c901b6a40d766f022cb5a395d7e16cc049c664baf2945eb07&

[kindred vapor]

hows this autogun to compliment it?

[civic knot]

Is it really good for vet tho because of those many missed breakpoints?

[unique orchid]

i use an mg 1a idk about autoguns

if anything i would probably go for a high ammo autogun though

[kindred vapor]

I just dont know what I should try to improve weapon wise for this build

[unique orchid]

well, whatre you trying to do with the build anyhow? what's your role?

[slow sky]

i think it honestly depends on reliant you are on your melee, and for what role

cuz its good at clearing groups, mixed or horde

if that compliments your melee, then yea

[faint beacon]

Honestly unless it’s okayish I’d suggest eventually rolling another but that one needs the onslaught talent to really shine

[slow sky]

you absolutely want uncanny strike on this, riposte is very good, but uncanny is literally just ignoring all armor so thats what blessing id replace
you can change the block efficiency to any damage perk of your choice

[faint beacon]

DumDum is damn near mandatory

[slow sky]

mercy killer is great with the vet bleed node like youre taking

[faint beacon]

On IAGs

[faint beacon]

I’d say if possible replace Riposte with Flesh Tearer and possibly try to run Serrated blade and the Riposte talent node

Cause then you’d be getting crits from dodging and they’d ramp up

[last parcel]

skipipng uncanny

[faint beacon]

I mean that also

[slow sky]

yeah no uncanny is just too good to not take

[somber axle]

Clowns are like genies. If you give an order it might get fulfilled but you need to be really specific or they'll twist it

[slow sky]

its one of if not the best blessing in the game period

[faint beacon]

Actually no yeah you could do Uncanny instead

Cause then Serrated combos with Mercy

[slow sky]

with serrated blade you already have a reliable means of bleed, so anything that bleed damage is realistically useful against can already be stacked up high anyway, like ogryns and bosses

plus knife atk speed helps stack it up higher regardless what you do

so dealing 60% more damage after the first hit is just
so huge

[faint beacon]

No you actually have a point cause the Crusher quick kill with the Mk6

And those blessing plus serrated

[slow sky]

then paired with saying fucking you to crushers and maulers too

[faint beacon]

Should be fucking piss easy

[unique orchid]

me only using the bleed to proc Mercy so i can two-shot damnation ragers and beat up crushers

[slow sky]

plus rending also mitigates other armor types, like unyielding and maniac

[faint beacon]

Literally, SA + L1 + PA + PA

[somber axle]

Swap Riposte for Uncanny Strike, change crit chance or block to Carapace (which ever you prefer) and use it with the Serrated Blade talent. With that set up and the right talent build you should be able to 3HKO Crushers

[faint beacon]

Should kill a crusher pathetically quick

[faint beacon]

I don’t recall if it massively helps with Flak

I would assume it does

[slow sky]

me giving advice for a build on a class i just made less than 1 hour ago and played 1 mission on

[faint beacon]

I’ve dumped 500 alone into Vet

[unique orchid]

the 10% rending keeps my weapons from plinking on carapace

[slow sky]

i meant the build specifically lol

[faint beacon]

And I’m still illiterate on the Talent, Weapon, Blessing combos

It usually just clicks

[slow sky]

and uncanny has 100% lmao

[unique orchid]

aye the knife is kinda gross lmao

[faint beacon]

I have the skills to back up my hours I’m just actually stupid when it comes to making a min maxed build

[somber axle]

You can even build knife for 2HKO or even 1HKO

[faint beacon]

Sneaky that’s the MK6 right

[slow sky]

yeah

[unique orchid]

ive been perfecting my "party trick" where i stab dogs and mutants in the face while theyre running head first into me and ohko them lmao

[last parcel]

you can tell by the push attack

[slow sky]

mk6 pa is a stab

[faint beacon]

If so do the SA + Light and then PA twice

[slow sky]

mk3 is an overhead

but both have heavy damage profiles

[somber axle]

I have my knife set up for a funny 2HKO on Crushers with Exe Stance and Recon Mk VId LOL

[somber axle]

Yes

[faint beacon]

I’d honestly get my recording of it

But I’m currently working so fml

[somber axle]

I have one more recording to share

[unique orchid]

i like the MK3

[somber axle]

Funny 1HKO Crusher Knife shenanigans with Infiltrate

[faint beacon]

I respect it just cause it’s “Objectively” weaker than the Mk6

[slow sky]

i use the mk6 for zealot cuz id rather have the knife capable of more than single target if im gonna be meleeing 95% of the time

[unique orchid]

valid, respectable

[unique orchid]

yeah but i hold my own decent w it

[slow sky]

and people still take lacerate

[faint beacon]

I’m playing Knife Vet I instantly care more about horde clear lmao

[slow sky]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-22195730

[last parcel]

yes

[faint beacon]

Can we please get a Lacerate rework

It’s so bad

[austere pine]

do the knives have vastly different damage values? i always thought the difference between them was just the moveset

[somber axle]

Bleed addicts are another breed. They're built different. They're built incorrectly. But they are enjoying what they do and I can respect following fun over function

[unique orchid]

i have a gun and teammates for hordeclear i can magdump my mg1a

[slow sky]

the latest pin in zealot chat is a fucking dissertation of me explaining how shit lacerate is

[remote gale]

Well it's a happy day for me, done every penance save for 100 missions

[austere pine]

and personally i like the mk3 more for single target

[faint beacon]

It’s more moveset and speed iirc

[unique orchid]

"yer servin de emprah well sah"

[slow sky]

the mk6 has slightly lower damage on its heavies, and is a pinch slower, but 2/3 heavies are side swipes, allowing for much better group damage by comparison

depending on the knife build, you can kill 2 gunners with 1 heavy swing if its a crit

on zealot i mean

[faint beacon]

Haymaker on Mk6 teehee

[austere pine]

yeah that's why i use it at the moment but the mk3 has much better single target due to all its heavies being stabs

[slow sky]

since thats where my experience with it is

[slow sky]

yeah it fills its role better, but thats about it

[austere pine]

flesh tearer mk3 is a beast

[slow sky]

the mk6 does great too, but its much more capable of doing more things at the cost of that extra damage

[somber axle]

Btw I discovered that my 0% damage Helbore Mk II still 1HKOs Dreg Gunner heads during Exe Stance + Focus Target and since I'm constantly pinging and shooting while keeping the buff active and refreshed on kill it means even a 0% damage weapon is fine. It can also 2HKO Crushers. Damage is a dump stat confirmed

[faint beacon]

The mauler having severe hemorrhaging just cause you hit him once with a pokey piece of steel

[austere pine]

both have upsides but i like both. the mk3 has a better-feeling riposte attack to me but the mk6 has beautiful heavies

[faint beacon]

0%

[somber axle]

This was in Auric Maelstrom and some Auric Damnation matches btw

[faint beacon]

I want to see proof of this

[austere pine]

yes there's some funky rolls

[slow sky]

im sure telling people this is a good idea
so they start rolling low damage weapons

[austere pine]

i have a 1% power sword

[slow sky]

and then use those weapons with shit builds

[faint beacon]

The dumbest I rolled was a 5% ammo on a Stubber

[unique orchid]

i will now add this to my collection of "shit i can use to make fun of FatShark Microsoft Excel Experts"

[austere pine]

saw an ogryn get a 0% power output power maul

[faint beacon]

Emprahs strongest Stubber

[sturdy zephyr]

Dang

[somber axle]

And to compare that to an 80% damage Mk II Helbore

[faint beacon]

I’m being gaslit

[faint beacon]

This is not real

Lmao

[sturdy zephyr]

Why we cant have 0% mobility.

[unique orchid]

you best start believing in fairy tales miss turner

[faint beacon]

12% OW

[somber axle]

It's real and it still 2HKOs Crushers LMFAO

[austere pine]

this is sort of realistic. sad but realistic

but when you get to the sub 10%s is where funny stuff starts happening

[sturdy zephyr]

Lowest i have is 28%ammo on my ciag.

[slow sky]

im just looking through my lowest stat rolled stuff

since i never sell anythin

nvm my game crashed

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-fallout-new-vegas-funny-looping-gif-9366309982747640076

[last parcel]

lmao get inventory'd

[somber axle]

Pardon the awful music I was on a dumb Moonbase Alpha music mood

[slow sky]

shoutout to simpleflips

[somber axle]

The funniest part is discovering this only 2HKOs Crushers because of Infernus

Without Infernus the second perk needs to be Elite to hit the 2HKO

[last parcel]

a less silly person would use sustained fire

[somber axle]

Finding maybe one of the very few use cases where Infernus is actually valuable on a Helbore

[somber axle]

I can't change either of the blessings

[last parcel]

infernus chads stay winning

just shoot the locks off

[somber axle]

The funny part is that normally without Exe Stance you need Unarmoured as a perk to 1HKO Dreg Gunners and you need Maniac to 1HKO Flamers using the Mk II Helbore

With Exe Stance you can ignore both perks because they're suddenly unnecessary and instead grab Carapace to help kill Crushers even more effectively

With Tactical Awareness and 5 sec refresh for Exe Stance the uptime is very, very good

I've been enjoying my Helbore a lot lately

Krieg mood

[austere mica]

And helbore can get trash off you without swapping

I remember when bromentum and limbsplitter interacted with the bayonet

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonet-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-equip-bayonet-i-make-ready-gif-26550076

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/death-throes-key-and-peele-gif-22260603

[kindred vapor]

Really? lose riposte?

[faint beacon]

There’s a Talent in the vet Tree that does it but it stacks even more

Literally called Riposte as well iirc

Should the the right side of the tree near the WS node

[last parcel]

reciprocity

or something

[faint beacon]

That one

[somber axle]

If you'd like to keep Riposte over Mercy Killer you can. Riposte isn't bad and doesn't lock you into using Serrated Blade any time you want to use the Knife. But Mercy Killer will be way more damage for beefier targets and help with breakpoints on things like Bulwarks, Reapers, Muties, Crushers and substantially assist boss DPS for Plogryns, Burgles, Chaos Spawn, Traitor Captains and Daemonhosts

I'd personally swap Riposte but I understand if you'd rather not lock yourself into a talent point on the right side of the tree just to make use of it

Otherwise you have to rely on using shredder frag nades to put bleed on targets and LMFAO no that's goofy

[last parcel]

i only use flechette shotgun to proc mercy killer

[somber axle]

OH RIGHT I FORGOR

I was going to do clown science on flechette manstopper Kantrael Shotgun

Pair with Weapon Specialist for guaranteed crits

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-show-bunsen-honeydew-beaker-lab-fire-gif-27190819

[somber axle]

And see what it does

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/what-happened-chaos-gif-14104955

[slow sky]

[junior needle]

Riposte is a good general purpose one that also helps with the area the knives are weakest at, which is waveclear. Mercy basically does nothing for waveclear.

[kindred vapor]

I already have the talent so

[junior needle]

It's very much up to you whether you want to run the talent tax required for mercy

When you avoid ranged attacks you get a % of your stamina back for free

This can be manually dodging or something like ghost which gives you auto evade for ranged fire

Primarily useful for deadshot and stam stacking setups

Note that reciprocity is "successful dodge" and not "avoid attack" and this appears to have been a purposeful attempt to hamper usage of ghost with recip

Makes it considerably harder to proc recip off ranged enemies and basically it doesn't work on gunner/reaper attacks

[somber axle]

Stealth nerf Ghost more by making this how it interacts with Duck and Dive too

[manic moon]

it does fucking nothing sadly since shotguns are shotguns and you just question your life decisions everytime you play them still

[shrewd lagoon]

'ate infilatater

[manic moon]

also deadshots builds branching to left is better with shotguns that quicktap 25 crit

[unique orchid]

[somber axle]

Idk I never question my life decisions. I am a clown. I do not adhere to the rules of others. Only my own. And I have a clown joke book to follow. If a weapon is funny, I use it. Idc if other players think it's trash. I main Recon Mk VId. I live to find fun builds and weapons. The meta stuff is boring to me. Strong but snoozeville

I love Lawbringer and Agripina Shotguns

Agripina is my fav for bolt action rifle 1HKO sniper gameplay

[manic moon]

there is a difference between meta offmeta fun and trollbuilds and actual fucking trashes like shotguns

you could easily tripple the shotgun's damage and htey'D still be trash

even tho i like them cuz doom cosplay go brr

[somber axle]

Lawbringer is funny for evaporating hordes. I did both Make Every Shot Count and the 2500 kills while at Marksman's Focus 10+ stacks penance with the Lawbringer Shotgun using Manstopper and Scattershot

[somber axle]

Idk what you mean I run shotguns in Auric Damnation and Auric Maelstroms

They're fine

[manic moon]

bruh this game has no difficulty

[somber axle]

A lot of the time I find that people exaggerate how bad a weapon is

[manic moon]

you can take grey items and be fine with it

[somber axle]

Ok take a grey boltgun into no ammo Maelstrom and tell me how you feel after

[manic moon]

will be fine

[shrewd lagoon]

Many measure opportunity cost as 'real'

I do also but that is the reasoning

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-konosuba-smirk-aqua-gif-13820031

[junior haven]

How many bolt guns can I buy first? Can I take a 380 if I have enough money? I'll try this.

[manic moon]

its extra sadge since all 3shotguns are distinct from each other and have a lot of potential to be fun/effective but as they are now

[somber axle]

I've been playing a 0% damage stat Helbore in Auric Maelstrom and Auric Damnation just as a personal challenge and for fun LOL

[manic moon]

ye but people need to accept reality

just because u can make it work from skill doesnt mean it cannot be bad

[somber axle]

No rules other than grey Boltgun only

[junior needle]

Sneaky uses an extremely glass cannon talent setup, which largely compensates for stat deficits

[fleet thicket]

is this worth upgrading?

[junior haven]

Sounds fun.

[fleet thicket]

is elite damage any worth?

[manic moon]

yes

[junior needle]

Which is not a realistic endorsement of using the weapons as such outside of that

[manic moon]

not the best but not the worst

still beats stuff like infested enemies or unyielding which you dont need on power sword

[fleet thicket]

okay thx

[somber axle]

Yes and it makes things extra funny. If I told you that a 0% damage stat Helbore Mk II can 1HKO Dreg Gunner heads without Unarmoured perk, 1HKO Flamer heads without Maniac perk and 2HKO Crusher heads you would probably laugh at me until I showed you the proof that it doesn't even require a combat stim for Psykanium Warrior shenanigans and actually does it consistently in actual matches either doing 2HKO or 3HKO

[manic moon]

elite dmg still helps with the main purpose of power sword which is to clear hordes/mixed hordes

[somber axle]

Depending on crits

[slow sky]

Even with how potent most "on successful dodge" things are, and I absolutely love using em, it still really sucks when the game just says "erm that wasn't REALLY a dodge mmmm cuz I said so "

[somber axle]

Which with Surgical and Deadshot is basically always

[junior needle]

That's much less of a "gotcha" than you think, because people assume any given person is running a well rounded build.

But yes, the damage stat can be less impactful than it seems.

[somber axle]

The only thing well rounded is the wheel on the unicycle I ride while playing Darktide

I don't even need to sacrifice nade regen

Don't need Fire Team

[manic moon]

whats ur melee wep with it

[somber axle]

Most times people are calculating breakpoints for VoC builds which makes it trivial to hit their breakpoints while using Exe Stance

[somber axle]

Fold Shovel Mk VII for all in on Krieg memes

But sometimes I swap to Mk VI Knife

Or the normal non-folding Sapper Shovel

[manic moon]

how about taking a worse melee weapon to put mmore pressure on your shotgun to perform

and u'Ll quickly see it's shortcomings

[hearty panther]

yes it turns out

taking two uncomplimentary weapons

tends to be poor

[manic moon]

not saying run with chainaxe 😄

[somber axle]

Oh you meant Shotgun

[manic moon]

no i meant ur melee

[somber axle]

I love Chainaxe XII

You need to give me a harder challenge than that

[last parcel]

vet power maul

[somber axle]

If only

[last parcel]

use it in a martyrdom build

[somber axle]

Give Vet power maul please

[austere mica]

What should I replace Crit damage with

[manic moon]

huh thats tough

wait why do u need reload speed

vet has enough talents to solve the slow loading speed thats more of a problem for zealots

[austere mica]

I needed manstopper and crit damage is worse

[manic moon]

if you play wep specialist you literally never manually reload inside combat

[austere mica]

I am playing marksmans focus

[manic moon]

you have reload speed nodes somewhere there too

thing is if you put flak it will take 4 shots to kill muties

if u put maniac u'Ll tickle flaks

[austere mica]

Reload speed = Fire rate for me btw

[manic moon]

will suck anyways 😂

[austere mica]

Cause only special shells

[manic moon]

oh

go elite then

check in psykachinum if you can make stuff hit a breakpoint with it

[austere mica]

I have decided

Crit chance

[sinful swallow]

You want maniac elite for psword6

So yes very worth lol

[brave verge]

if its not headhunter/infernus, is it even worth running a recon las?

[bitter turtle]

Headhunter/dumdum

[somber axle]

Yeah you definitely want to get Headhunter. Then get Infernus or Dum Dum. They're both pretty similar for DPS/TTK on most targets so it's mostly personal preference but I'll add that Dum Dum is slightly higher DPS at closer ranges while Infernus is better at longer ranges

[austere mica]

Should I roll for a Mk6 knife for my Focus shotgun build or something else

Alternatively

Nevermind

[bitter turtle]

Knife is good

[austere mica]

Forgot I had this sitting around unmodded

[brave verge]

its a good combo

[austere mica]

What should I drop for Opening Salvo

(It'll get me to 100% crit chance with full stacks of scattershot)

[nocturne mulch]

Crit on dodge

[umbral scaffold]

why is it compressed

that looks so funny haha

[hearty panther]

chibi talent tree

[somber vault]

mod that shrinks it for screenshots

[austere mica]

I can make it worse

[hearty panther]

hey isnt that one of the paintings that ninja turtle did on the church ceiling

[tall torrent]

don't take opening salvo (ever)

[austere mica]

It works for my dumb build

I am always above 90% ammo in fights when I need crit chance

[tall torrent]

no

just don't

[umbral scaffold]

Damn .... playing darktide's update on the 24 or going to a wrestling show... probably wrestling... not very excited abt the new weapons anounced

[tall torrent]

ur dumping 2 points into one of the worst talents in the game, for a minuscule boost

[austere mica]

It gets me to 100%

[tall torrent]

what does ur shotgun even have

[austere mica]

Scattershot 3, Manstopper, and 5% crit chance

[brave verge]

are auto pistols any good still

[tall torrent]

why not just go for weapon specialist

[austere mica]

Marksman’s focus

[tall torrent]

for penance?

[umbral scaffold]

Afaik ammo burner

[austere mica]

Yes

[tall torrent]

ok 90% crit chance is fine

u rly do not need 100%

if u had to

[umbral scaffold]

For a specific use maybe

[tall torrent]

drop reciprocity, duck & dive and the 5% melee dmg node

u don't rly need both stam regen

[fleet thicket]

Hey guys

I was trying out achlys combat axe

I was thinking the only thing wrong with this weapon is it's complicated moveset

[tall torrent]

there're a lot of things wrong with the achlys axe

[fleet thicket]

It got faster light than the other two but heavy is slower than rashad

[fleet thicket]

Yeah you use way too much stamina

For its horde clear

Cuz combo is push attack heavy 1 spam

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[tall torrent]

Not necessarily

U can H1 > BC loop

[fleet thicket]

Thats true but

It's not very reliable imo

Cuz its slow enough for you to get hit

I think push attack h1 is better

[brave verge]

yeah I took it into the psykanium and it felt pretty bad

[fleet thicket]

Combo for safer clear

[brave verge]

pity because that was my only 380

[fleet thicket]

But I dont think there is anything else wrong with it tbf

I got Same finnese as rashad

Faster lights so kills maniacs faster but slower

Heavies

[tall torrent]

There’re a lot of things wrong with it

[amber ether]

what should I do with this?

[covert timber]

Aim for the head for maximum damage

[amber ether]

[somber axle]

Change ranged weak spot damage for sure

It's a very weak perk

Surgical would be better than Headhunter but tbh Headhunter is fine

[tall torrent]

Swap weakspot dmg to unarmored

[somber axle]

And I think you will get more value out of swapping ranged weak spot

[tall torrent]

Or swap headhunter to surgical

If u don’t want to harvest HH4

[fleet thicket]

Reading the stats tbf it's like identical to rashad what else is wrong with it?

[amber ether]

what guys are unarmored?

dreg gunner and shotgunner?

[tall torrent]

Way worse light atk pattern
Slower heavy atks

[tall torrent]

Unarmored gives dreg Gunner 1HS much more consistently

Non-Crit breakpoint

[last parcel]

using achlys heavy as a short character is an experience

[somber axle]

Crab walk Marksman's Focus penance with it for true ratling sniper vibes

[slow sky]

my zealot has been min height this entire time

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/small-cat-angry-cat-cute-gif-24160051

[coral willow]

@tall torrent hadron is trolling me

usable i think idk

[tall torrent]

Yea this is fine

Limbsplitter -> headtaker
Stamina -> unarmored

Basically godroll

[coral willow]

other axe i did

s h r e d

[tall torrent]

This is much worse

[coral willow]

obv

[last parcel]

crit rashad

[coral willow]

crit rashad

is real cursed i dont even venture

[tall torrent]

Crit Rashad sorta is a thing because ur gonna take desperado

[coral willow]

that sounds ass

tbh i remember piety rashad

that shit was cursed

[slow sky]

tiny angry lady

[coral willow]

god camt believe how good the 3rd person anim is real good in this game

[coral willow]

and that happens yea

[serene bough]

finally, i am ASS

[coral willow]

really need t get trained

im reliant on CC with frag

[tall torrent]

Desperado is good for Rashad tho

[coral willow]

crit part

not the finesse

[tall torrent]

That’s funny because the crit part is good too

You essentially crit 3x as much as normal

[coral willow]

nobody runs piety rashad from what i remember

[tall torrent]

I’m talking abt Desperado

[coral willow]

ye which is why i assunmed desparato on rashad would be bad

nobody really runs crit axe

what do i put on this then

[tall torrent]

Not quite, desperado is very good in general

[midnight totem]

sprint to manic or elite or carapace

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[coral willow]

learning baby

[gilded wraith]

how's the mark 2 recon las?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/drowning-gif-12371356

[coral willow]

i realized

that i use my frag as a crutch

lmfao

[tame lodge]

Bad, bad recon

[coral willow]

worse recon p sure

[last parcel]

they took the dude in a wheelchair then broke his arms 😭

[sturdy zephyr]

Go for it! Best feel ever

[tame lodge]

Just hit heads

[coral willow]

its either brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt 6d or decent pen 7a

[ember basin]

nothing more exhilarating than being 1 hammer swing away from having my spine collapse from the head down before fanning the entire chamber of my revolver into a Crusher face

[coral willow]

and it doesnt crit enough and you die

[ember basin]

usually it enough

[coral willow]

usually

[ember basin]

unless i miss. And then i use the stealth to book it

[last parcel]

the exhilaration comes from the risk

[ember basin]

yeah i know the fanning revolver is not too good

but yes, the risk is what make it fun

true showdown

[coral willow]

risk of running recon lasgun

:teeth;

[ember basin]

yeah...

idk if i want the fanning revolver to be better, since it gonna take away the fun

[coral willow]

anyway

fanning revolver should really just have pen like zarona

and it'd make it a homemade shotgun essentially

would it be good? nah
but would it not suck on horde and then special behind situations unlike zarona? at least not you can magdump and definitely hit that 5 shot into the enemy

[ember basin]

I use it at medium range usually, which i guess fit since shotgun in this game have decent range

I wish it have 6 shot actually

[coral willow]

that would also make it nice

or 8shot

[last parcel]

50 round drum mag revolver

[sturdy zephyr]

Belt fed boltgun

[tame lodge]

Two vets on the heavy bolter

[forest breach]

Veteran SL ability: summon heavy bolter team

[severe gale]

consider fanning revolver with shotgun shells

[faint beacon]

Can we get a Revolver that uses shotgun shells

thanks Obese Shark

[coral willow]

judge pd2 be like

[faint beacon]

Literally lmao

[last parcel]

akimbo judge

[midnight totem]

Akimbo laspistols

Gotta Kel Jerico this shit up

[thick kestrel]

had a bit of fun last night trying to rebuild my old braced autogun build from back in beta. I must admit going into executioner stance and just going ham with the hip-fire for some close range rambo shooting is still good fun.

ended up wedding it with the mark target node as I wasn't too confident on how well I could headshot with the Brauto but it did put a thought in my head that taking marksmen's focus with something like the Columnus on a close range shooty build might be an option... will need to experiment.

[agile forge]

MF is better with weapons with higher finesse values

Columnus IAG with MF is awesome

executioner's stance gets the spread down a lot and makes it even more headshotty too

[regal yarrow]

Someone help, I picked up the laspistol now I can't seem to put it down

[coral willow]

wish we get a laspistol catachan sword combo on the secondary

we get the parry but not the block

[regal yarrow]

That'd be awesome

[coral willow]

right click aims and lets you fire the gun

pressing R reloads

lclick while not aimed down just does normal katachan swings

special is parry

[regal yarrow]

I feel the laspistol is slept on as it is rn, tho

[coral willow]

it is

cant block nor pushattack but i think it should be a neat lil thing if they actually add ranged-melee combos more

or give me helbores on zealot damnit

[regal yarrow]

you see, I think a right click should be swinging the sword, and have them stuck hipfiring

[coral willow]

either that or just leave out the parry feature

[regal yarrow]

yeah

[coral willow]

boltpistol chainsword is a thing that i hope that becomes true

though idk how it'd work

[regal yarrow]

or boltpistol + power fist, which i didn't know guardsmen could use until yesterday

[coral willow]

well only reserved for generals p sure

yknow HQ

[regal yarrow]

bolt pistols in general are reserved for higher ranking guard

[coral willow]

that said i think ive seen catachan guardsman just having a power fist

so solo power fist might be possible

[regal yarrow]

either way, it'd be neat

I just had an idea

[iron marten]

Bolt Pistol + Psword soon

[regal yarrow]

OGRYN POWERFIST

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, my thought is that the weapons I tend to use it on (kantreal lasguns and headhunters) it might be a case of being a bit of a "win more" node of that makes sense? it kind of intuitively makes sense to try and use it on precise headshotty guns but... do those in most cases need the additional finesse to operate effectively?

and in turn would using it on something, as you mention, like the columnus or other "more dakka" weapons be a better use of the node as opposed to a more DMR style gun?

because if executioner stance is good enough for those guns for those kind of longer ranged/priority target engagements then marksmen focus, while stacking well from those weapons, might not be helping those weapons in turn.

I'm sure this has all already been worked out and figured previously ^^

[wide pike]

I’m begging fat shark for brass knuckles

[regal yarrow]

POWERKNUCKLES

[rocky jacinth]

columnus MF is my favorite shooty build, it does stupid amounts of damage

having an 800+ rpm gun that 1 taps flak helmets and has almost 60 shots in the mag is interesting

[coral willow]

interesting

can you actually tapfire

cause i just have the urge to spam

[agile forge]

You can probably set up a semi-auto to work with breakpoints from MF but I don't like it so much

MF is unreliable

I like it on CIAG because CIAG isn't really a breakpointy weapon

So more MF stacks will almost always translate to shorter kill times

[rocky jacinth]

hey it's real satisfying to get the 1 click = 1 kill going, it's like a minigame to see how fast you can flick between targets

only trouble is that elites and most specials take 2 shots instead of just 1 so you gotta burst sometimes

[coral willow]

id use a actual battle rifle vraks mk7

i like that thing

too bad it kinda sucks rn

[rocky jacinth]

the fire rate though, you can retarget faster than it shoots

[coral willow]

idk why but vraks 7 feels like something of a m14 or a fn fal in my hamds

yknow those chunky battle rifles that deal quite large damage but in single fire mode

[formal zealot]

What's a solid blessing for a Plasma Gun

I have Gets Hot 4 Shattering Impact 3

[coral willow]

shatering is garbo

gethot 4 is good

[late hatch]

Contracts broken? It isnt counting missions completed lol

[wide pike]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[grand perch]

Vraks mk7 is the best semi-automatic rifle right now, after plasma

[agile forge]

tbh I ditch that one

I always go with diamantine/plasteel/dregs/scabs/monsters

[earnest sand]

Use my gun on fodder enemies too?

[thin stone]

Hello people

I'm now convinced the Vraks 7 HH Autogun is the way to go (It takes out snipers fast)

[odd sparrow]

snipers have 500 unarmored health, so taking them out is a not very impressive breakpoint

[thin stone]

Lol

[merry fern]

Holla, u guys have any good build for shotgun ?

[odd sparrow]

i like VoC with the agri shotgun(long range one)

[merry fern]

Yes can u talk more about it

I’m new at veterant class

[tall torrent]

Shotguns in general are in a weird spot for veteran because they don’t have very good 1 shot range vs gunners & flamers, and have generally bad ammo economy on top of slow reloads

Agripinaa shotgun is probably the most functional for veteran
Ideally you want +maniac & +flak dmg perks, full bore & no respite as blessings
High stat roll in damage & stopping power (and preferably ammo)
Mobility (preferably 51% or higher) & stability don’t matter much

[merry fern]

what about skill tree

[radiant chasm]

i'd think right side keystone would be the best, or mid keystone always being good

[somber axle]

Yes but it depends on what you'd like to do

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984525651904176209/1251793340500938783/Screenshot_2024-06-16_023601.png?ex=66713065&is=666fdee5&hm=84fbe03c9f39c08c16c3c4429a78f73d836a29bec60e75fcf8574108d74920a8&

[merry fern]

for clear horde

[tall torrent]

If u plan on shooting it a decent amount

[merry fern]

more like sneaky + clear horde

[tall torrent]

Generally u shouldn’t rely on ranged weapon to clear horde

[thick kestrel]

the trick with Darktide shotguns is that our shotguns are... strangely a little less videogamey than most shotguns you see? they're a lot more precise than you'd expect.

definitely some weirdness of course, the lawbringer's duckbill round isn't exactly how that whole concept actually works... but in terms of spread? closer than you'd think.

it tends to make them feel like they're not good, but it's more that they're... different

(there are changes for gameplay reasons of course, minimum pellet count and the like)

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun uses the special slug shot for bolt action rifle gameplay repeatedly loading the slug for high damage, armour penetrating, accurate shots down long range. The slug shot is also the only shot in the entire game that can still 1 shot stagger a Bulwark by shooting it in the shield

Lawbringer Shotgun uses the wide shot in combo with Manstopper and Scattershot for wiping out entire hordes of Poxwalkers/Groaners instantly in one shot. No other gun can hold a candle to the wave clear a Lawbringer Shotgun with these two blessings can do for both kill potential and ammo efficiency

Kantrael Shotgun has a funny fire attack that you can stack for burning mixed hordes but it also suffers from the worst damage falloff at longer range engagements due to the high spread pattern. It has the highest damage per shot in theory but only if you play it like a melee weapon.

[merry fern]

[somber axle]

Ok I have a build for you

one sec

Are you doing Marksman's Focus 10 stack 2500 kills penance? Or is this just for general play?

[thick kestrel]

there is also few things quite as satisfying as making reapers just sit down using a lawbringer at close range... shotguns just SOUND good :>

[midnight totem]

Shotguns also don't get suppressed

[merry fern]

for general play

[tall torrent]

Darktide shotguns are frankly quite similar to DRG engineer’s shotgun
Both have more range than you’d believe, but neither holds 1 shot range very well

[thick kestrel]

mhmm

[midnight totem]

So, an agrippina with slugs is actually more effective at taking down gunners shooting at you

Then a revolver

[merry fern]

i just want some good built with the shotgun

[somber axle]

This will be a very effective sneaky shotgun build

You'll be able to literally stand out in the open and watch enemies walk past you after your Infiltrate stealth runs out

Use Lawbringer Shotgun for horde evaporation

[merry fern]

YESSSSS

thank you

[somber axle]

try to get a Lawbringer shotgun with these blessings

I've run this build even with a really bad Lawbringer that had infested perk and groaners/poxwalkers perk LMFAO

it still slams hordes even with bad perks

[native cave]

any big boy veterans wanna check my build and tell me what to improve uwu?

[somber axle]

the blessings are what you want

[merry fern]

holy moly shiet, 4/5 are 80

[somber axle]

Ideally though I'd recommend prioritizing Flak/Maniac to make your Shotgun better at putting down things like Flak Ragers, Maulers and Muties

Unarmoured is just to help with killing Dreg Gunner heads for me

[midnight totem]

Please don't use uwu. Your build will improve by 20 percent

[somber axle]

but you can mix and match which perks you like to help you hit your breakpoints

[merry fern]

i have 2 boiz in my team to kill the armoured enemy

[last parcel]

uwuifying builds improves them them 32.94%

[midnight totem]

I see you typing backup don't you-

[merry fern]

so my job just for clear horde

[somber axle]

If you swap For the Emperor to Born Leader you can also provide team-wide toughness regen in weird amounts from using your Lawbringer's special shot wide horizontal blast to evaporate hordes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[somber axle]

If you're not a fan of Out for Blood you can swap the top of the talent tree to take Close Order Drill and Confirmed Kill instead

I just like Out for Blood on Lawbringer Manstopper/Scattershot for how chunky your toughness regen is when blasting through hordes

[native cave]

i agree

[somber axle]

I took Kraks because Lawbringer shotgun can't hurt carapace and idk what melee you prefer to use

[merry fern]

kitchen knife xD

[somber axle]

So regardless of what your choice in melee is, you'll have an option for hitting Crushers and be able to use the krak grenades for good boss damage

[somber axle]

Ooo that one has really, really good Crusher kill potential when using Uncanny Strike blessing

[merry fern]

mk 3 kitchen knife

the one zealot usually use

[tall torrent]

Mk6 knife is better than mk3 knife

In vast majority of situations

[merry fern]

i can use both

[native cave]

cant send screenshots here 😦

[tall torrent]

Go for mk6 then

[last parcel]

talk more

[merry fern]

okey

[last parcel]

or post gameslantern link

[native cave]

D:

but my social anxiety

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=667083a3&is=666f3223&hm=d1a29e177aefc8b90ffed104f65f645701c3b2d0f6c53535341154e3d920ad3a&

[somber axle]

The knives are both really funny for killing Crushers when you get a good stat allocation, good perks and good blessings

[merry fern]

@@ too fast what was taht

[somber axle]

Yeah you can get Crushers to a very comfortable 3HKO range with the Knife

and the fast swing speed means you're killing it in under a second LOL

Heavy -> Push Attack -> Push Attack

you can even build the knife to do 2HKO or 1HKO

[merry fern]

2 push attack ?

[merry fern]

what HKO means

[somber axle]

I did this on my Recon Mk VId Exe Stance build LOL

[somber axle]

HKO means "hit knock out" so something like 3HKO means "three hit knock out"

just shorthand for how many attacks to kill

[merry fern]

ohh

[somber axle]

there's also this funny 1HKO Crusher Knife set up

[merry fern]

xD that cool

[somber axle]

I needed to stack Executor/Uncanny Strike to set up the 1HKO in combo with Infiltrate + Surprise Attack talents but it ended up being funny to test the limits of how far you can push the knife

[merry fern]

what is this combo

[sleek garden]

i think its weird that knives have the potiential for this stuff especially the knife that attacks with a slice

like i guess you could pretend hes running up and slashing his throat or something

[earnest sand]

Why does veteran combat knife feel so weak?

[last parcel]

you’re probably missing uncanny strikes blessing

[tall torrent]

H1 > PA > PA

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike + mercy/executor/flesh/riposte

Veteran hits for almost 2x as much dmg as zealot with knife

[woven oak]

Veteran hits harder than Zealot with every melee weapon that they share

[tall torrent]

Except chainsword

[woven oak]

Because of Zealot charge empowering the last hit, I assume?

[tall torrent]

Zealot has FotF 1 hit crusher

[sleek garden]

i am your doom...

[tall torrent]

Veteran chainsword is much weaker than zealot chainsword because u don’t have +stagger talents to break rager combo, and no FotF to anti-carapace

[woven oak]

Fair enough

Out of curiosity, which attack staggers ragers on Zealot chainsword? And which chainsword? I've not used them much. Too addicted to my eviscerator

[tall torrent]

If punishment stacks are up I’m pretty sure it can break ragers’ combo

That’s prob the most common +stagger talent that zealots pick up

[faint beacon]

Honestly curious what Talents you’re running with that knife that are a must

I assume Serrated and the blessings are Mercy and Uncanny already

[woven oak]

Oh, I have punishment. I'm a filthy crit zealot. I can stagger ragers w/o it with PA or H1/H2 on my XV evis

[faint beacon]

Cause I did do a team based Knife Zealot last night and had a shit ton of fun

[woven oak]

But I don't think light attacks on evis stagger them

[sleek garden]

i kind of want to see what happens if i put carapace boost on my catachacn and see how many parries it takes to decapitate a crusher

[coral willow]

that exe throwaway has annoyed more than it should have

[last parcel]

good

[somber axle]

I didn't use Serrated for that test because I was stacking Executor and Uncanny

Mercy Killer wouldn't be good for 1HKO

you need the bleed on target to get the blessing effect

[last parcel]

just hit the crusher on their period

[somber axle]

I could do more funny Psykanium shenanigans testing exactly what you need for a Crusher 1HKO

I didn't go that in depth with it before, I just decided to play around with whether or not it was even possible

[faint beacon]

I’d assume a quick light followed with the typical Crusher combo

Might do wonders

But again unsure

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1249418136424419338/image.png?ex=66711e10&is=666fcc90&hm=b1273f75ee57d857f2fc65ef710c7858ee8c6f49bee887c808f3ed34087b1150&

I found it

[faint beacon]

I just enjoy usually using Serrated with Knives

[somber axle]

Apparently I did test it in a little more depth than I remembered

I did it without 8 stack Focus Target

No Fire Team or Redirect Fire shenanigans

I didn't need For the Emperor either

[somber axle]

if you like Serrated Blade/Mercy Killer you could probably still get it into a comfy 2HKO range on Crushers

[somber axle]

you have to pet the Recon for good luck

the funny part about the 1HKO Infiltrate Surprise Attack test

I took Agile

but didn't need to swap ranged to kill a target before hitting stealth to strike

the extra +25% melee damage wasn't necessary to hit the 1HKO breakpoint either

I think Knife can very comfortably hit 2HKO or 1HKO range on Crushers with the right talent/perk/blessing combo

[faint beacon]

MK6 2HKOs are extremely quick so that basically makes me satisfied

[somber axle]

heavy -> push attack is insanely fast

[faint beacon]

At most it would be like a second or so

[somber axle]

almost no difference in TTK

instant kill vs like what

the speed to push attack?

LOL

[faint beacon]

Half a second most it’s a knife

[somber axle]

that's probably under half a second difference if timed right

the only difference would be stam cost of push attack

[faint beacon]

It’s why I’m not super crazy over min maxxing when the difference is THAT SMALL

[somber axle]

also negligible imo

yeah as funny as clown science is to do, there's a more practical side to the info

1HKO is achievable but not necessary

2HKO is so close for the speed on kills that it doesn't matter

still instagibbing a Crusher before it can even begin swinging

[faint beacon]

Look killing one the moment it even prepares an overhead slam is good in my book which that’s like

What 1.5 second wind up?

[thick kestrel]

query, do you rate the bonus damage on leaving infil as opposed to the extra charge? I've been a bit suspect of the very small time window it kicks in compared to having that +1 use?

[tall torrent]

Surprise attack is a psykanium warrior’s favourite gift and a pretty mid talent in actual gameplay

5s duration is very short

Especially on a long CD ability

[somber axle]

I don't tend to use Infiltrate with Overwatch. I prefer having Infiltrate available more often vs having an extra charge. In theory the extra charge sounds good but it means you're on a 1 min CD vs a 45 sec CD. When stacking combat ability regen on all curios for +12% ability regen you get 7 seconds shaved off the 60 sec CD for a 53 sec CD, and 5 seconds shaved off the 45 sec CD for a 40 sec CD. Now combine that with Tactical Awareness reducing CD by 6 sec on every special/elite kill and my Infiltrate is up pretty frequently. It'd be up less often if I did it with Overwatch for my playstyle. I mainly use it as a repositioning tool, to juggle Low Profile, and to perform rescues on team mates. I also sneak off a lot of the time to grab plasteel/diamantine while searching for ammo crates/medkits/scrips/grims so having Infil in my pocket to use to quickly rejoin the squad regardless of distance is good. I use it too frequently to enjoy the 2nd charge but for someone who uses it more sparingly the extra charge is a second get out of jail free card if things get rough

[thick kestrel]

I can see the idea behind it, sneak up and murderate that one dude with extreme prejudice for the emprah... I just figure the bonus uses kind of even out?

[somber axle]

The bonus damage from Surprise Attack isn't one I normally grab

Surprise Attack is funny for WoW Rogue memes though

[tall torrent]

Usually u only need low profile

[somber axle]

and helping hit funny breakpoints

[tall torrent]

10s pseudo stealth is very strong

[thick kestrel]

true enough, I figure diverting attention onto my buddies being something a little impolite in pub play. no issues with my on comms buddies mind ^^

[somber axle]

I wish they'd increase it to 10 but I understand why it is 5. It's meant to boost your first strike out of stealth and give you a bit more first strike potential for the 2nd and maybe 3rd target if you're quick but nothing beyond it. It's why I often grab Born Leader over For the Emperor. 5 seconds is just too short to care most times LOL

But even outside Psyk shenanigans

Infil with my set up is ready surprisingly often

I could do this in actual matches for 1HKOing or 2HKOing Crusher

[tall torrent]

It’s not that long of a CD

[somber axle]

It feels like a long CD if you grab Overwatch without regen perks imo

[tall torrent]

It’s just short uptime for 1 talent point’s worth

[somber axle]

without Overwatch, with regen perks and Tactical Awareness it feels very nice

[midnight totem]

Because when you're in HISTG or regular High Int there are enough specials around you'll get your ability back in notime

[last parcel]

i don't kill specialists

[somber axle]

also yeah the 1 talent is too short on timing and conditional for me to use it in most builds

just keep stealthing over and over LOL

[midnight totem]

I'm permanently invisible in a hunting dog pack

They're just all running pass me as I stealth and restealth getting free hits in

[somber axle]

Stealth, Low Profile, Restealth, Low Profile, Restealth, Low Pr-

infinite

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, I mostly ask because I'm tinkering around with trying out a marksmans focus columnus loadout but fancy trying it with a bit of sneaky flankaround as the secondary aspect for quick team mate rescues/getting out of trouble:

[tall torrent]

Then take low profile over overwatch

[thick kestrel]

fair

[somber axle]

Low Profile is really, really good if you play around your team

[tall torrent]

I also don’t think u need marksman

[thick kestrel]

oh aye, definitely not a need. this is more of an experiment idea

[tall torrent]

Or any of MF’s sub nodes

[thick kestrel]

I normally run this kind of thing with weapons specialist and lean much more into a more close range combat thing

[somber axle]

Tunnel Vision + Out for Blood my beloved

[thick kestrel]

kind of a "how much dakka can I crank out of the columnus" nonsense. the gun certainly doesn't need it but I'm curious to see how it managed.

(I mean, Exe stance would be better for that, but I've already got a build doing all that)

[tall torrent]

Tunnel vision is just kinda not worth most of the time

The idea is cool

But it’s not as valuable as most other talents

[thick kestrel]

aye, I suspect CQK might be a better pick overall

[tall torrent]

CQKZ + desperado

[sleek garden]

i don't think fire should hit you while you get eaten by a beast of nurgle

i was full health and then it slimed me when i got blocked in and as it ate my a bomber tossed a nade

i was dead in like 3 seconds

[somber axle]

I love fire and disablers

my fav combo

mutie grab into fire so he can try to put out the fire with your face

[faint beacon]

Got one even better

Horde of Gunners aiming at you + Chaos Spawn Grabbing you

Worlds quickest down

[last parcel]

chaos spawn sucking all the juices out of your bullet holes

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-why-are-you-like-this-the-amazing-digital-circus-caine-gif-8964937870592899060

[somber axle]

add in flamers too!
from world's quickest clown to world's quickest down

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kebab-dooley-gif-23926452

[sleek garden]

i think the scariest thing about scab gunners is that a lot of the time if you're in their face they dont stop shooting

and they have high stagger resistance

[austere pine]

dude what? emp's gift kidna neat

[shrewd lagoon]

Sad

Great stats bad roll

[covert timber]

That gun is going to decimate anything it hits in a few shots

Plus you can change them

[faint beacon]

Elite is better than nothing I’ll say that

[austere pine]

gloryhunter is my preferred cuz i sure as shit am not doing a full bolter

i saw a vet absolutely rip apart a monstro somehow but i don't feel like doing that

[shrewd lagoon]

Beast?

[austere pine]

a monstrosity

not sure what it was

[terse idol]

Bolter for monster killin my beloved

With like exe, maybe a combat stim focus target you can very easily mag dump an pogryns head and kill it in like 1.5 or 2 mags

[austere pine]

this was 1 mag

[tame void]

Pogryn

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

My favorite thing has to be using the Ogryn Shovels with Thrust on a Monstrosities weakpoint and watching its HP magically vanish

That or Thammer + Shroudfield

[sullen scarab]

Should I run Flak or Maniac on this shotgun? Since I can't take both lol

[tall torrent]

What’s the dmg like actually

[tall torrent]

Maniac

[sullen scarab]

awesome, thanks

[sleek garden]

it can one shot crushers which means its at least doing 5k damage a swing

[tall torrent]

They’re not the same Armor type

[sleek garden]

i know

but the same stuff will apply

trade carapace for unyielding

if its plague ogryn you can use heavyweight

i forgot what else

[tall torrent]

If u trade carapace for unyielding u lose easy access to crusher 1 shot breakpoint

[sleek garden]

he was talking about the damage output on monstrosities

[faint beacon]

I do have unyielding on my Shovel and hitting a BON it’s easily like 1/5 of its HP bar on 3 stacks

[tall torrent]

What’s the overall DPS like is what I mean

[faint beacon]

Usually I’d say like what 4k per hit

Usually top boss damage

Usually

Running Crunch with it also

I realize it’s BM + Thrust as well so that might also increase it further seeing it’s a weakpoint hit

[shadow dagger]

what's with +200s in auric qp having sub-100 hour gamesense

this gotta be bugged or sumn right

[elder fiber]

Time played =/= skill

[tall torrent]

It’s most probably returning players lol

Usually 300+ is not bad tho

[shadow dagger]

is true level lying to me or are there +350s actually using smite on hordes before they even reach the choke

or using smite, period

[tall torrent]

They might be doing the smite penance

U never know

[midnight totem]

I play smtpsyker when I want to turn my brain off

[austere pine]

total playtime means literally nothing. i'm more cracked than so many of these high level dudes and i'm barely past lvl 100 on my vet an my zealot

[faint beacon]

It’s so damn funny having a low level and completely out pacing the true level 600+

[bronze atlas]

tbh playing more than one class does a lot for game skill

a lot of the real high levellers just do the same thing over and over and never see other angles or ways to improve

speaking of which, please god when you're on veteran SHOOT at the GUNNERS

laspistol vet, kickback, kickback, lasgun vet

im the second column and im using THIS

[agile forge]

That thing fucks gunners up pretty good though

[bronze atlas]

yeah once i close to like 10 meters or ADS for 3 seconds

also no it doesnt with these stats

[agile forge]

I mean maybe not a 202 of it though lmao

Ywah

Didn't see that

[bronze atlas]

im replacing it for my last 4 levels with another scrappy one but 130 points less miserable

[austere pine]

playing more than just one class gives a player a good expectation of what other players might be capable of due to knowing what the class can or can't do

[bronze atlas]

im so close to reaching 8 leaf clover

(using the extra slots mod and hitting 30 with every character twice)

levelling in this game really is an experience

[agile forge]

And then you gotta play all styles of each class

Big difference between a purgatus psyker and a gunker

Etc

[bronze atlas]

speaking of which, RELEASE THE DEVLOG ON THE CRAFTING UPDATE!!

i've been using a CIAG on my gunker builds that has 17 stab

[somber axle]

The funniest is when I go down and the rest of the squad falls over the very next room to gunner squads LMFAO

How to tell everyone was relying hard on you to kill the ranged threats

[austere pine]

get a... better ciag?

just a suggestion idk

[bronze atlas]

crafting might wildly improve in like 3 weeks

(also 17 stab is surprisingly manageable)

[agile forge]

Stability seems to only matter for the first 5 or so bullets

If you are magdumping, it settles after a little bit

[bronze atlas]

it really matters for like.. bullets 2-4

if you tap off shots they're still accurate too

[odd sparrow]

stability doesnt do much on most guns. Particularly on handguns it does nothing

[austere pine]

on the few it does something on, you don't want to skimp on it

fucking bolter, for one

[tall torrent]

Bolter doesn’t benefit that much from stability

It’s mainly headhunter autoguns that care abt stability

[vivid silo]

I had my 2nd daughter a week or so ago. Once I get the energy you are going to see a level 900+ with severe rust and probably not the best gamesense

Level can also just mean playing a lot

[serene bough]

i love playing recklessly

it's a pretty bad vice of mine

[vivid silo]

Indeed, but I blame the bloodlust a Chain Axe naturally induces in the user

[austere pine]

wait till you find zealot, fury and knife

[vivid silo]

Aye I need to get around to play with it again. At least you are mobile, compared to a CA

Chain Axe just feels sooooo good!

[midnight totem]

The rev does make neurons activate

[vivid silo]

Aye, and the Mk IV does it on every light hit