veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

thats what i figured about HD2 too

watching it a little

so i didnt bother

[somber axle]

Vehicles one day maybe

I honestly haven't touched HD2 in months

[last parcel]

imperial fists mech

[hearty panther]

but also going back to earlier, there's no tension to the gameplay

[somber axle]

But it was fun to use the mech suits

[hearty panther]

DT at Auric is legit one fuck up can snowball into a loss in seconds

There's no such thing in HD2

you'd have to do that five times over

[old quail]

yeah darktide's combat feels like it's out of control until it isn't

[somber axle]

Did the evac mission for bots get fixed

I thought that was giving players trouble for the longest time

[hearty panther]

'giving players trouble' is a meaningless phrase to me

players have trouble with fucking hunters lmao

[last parcel]

i think they straight up disabled it for now

[old quail]

i put down darktide and put it up and i remember why i have put an absurd amount of time into it

[somber axle]

I remember going full smoke strat to give the civies cover to run and just focused on hitting doors while my friends focused on killing. It worked but was very stressful LOL

[bitter turtle]

yeah at the end of the day tbh im ok with DT as it is even with slow as shit updates

the game is fun

i put a lot of time into it

[old quail]

because the combat a lot of the time feels like you're one bad input away from fucking up but it's almost always on you to fuck up

[bitter turtle]

got my money's worth at least

[hearty panther]

turns out that gameplay is king

who knew

[old quail]

(unless something really dumb happens)

[hearty panther]

gameplay in a game

[somber axle]

The devs kept nerfing that mission and the players kept eating shit regardless. This is the funniest result LMFAO

Disable it because the average HD2 player lacks the friends, coordination and skill to do evacs

They'll just whine endlessly no matter how much it gets nerfed

[old quail]

i liked vermintide's combat but it was kind of off from what i wanted

dt is like perfection to me

[hearty panther]

i bought vermintide 2 uh

[bitter turtle]

you know

speaking of that kind of behavior

[hearty panther]

not that long ago in the grand scheme of things but a year before DT launched

got it on a whim and put 2,000hrs into it that year

like it really did click

[bitter turtle]

im glad yoship finally admitted maybe they dumbed the game down too much

maybe i will get dawntrail eventually

[hearty panther]

DT absolutely has the better feel and loop to me now, but VT2 kicks ass

[bitter turtle]

if they fix that shit by 7.2 they said

[hearty panther]

it's just muuuuuuch slower

way more standing, way more holding right click

[somber axle]

Honestly same. His interview talking about regret with removing that Samurai ability was neat

[hearty panther]

also blightstormers lmao

[old quail]

yeah that's why i can't do it lol

my enjoyment of a melee game's combat is directly proportional to how fast it is

the slower the worse

[hearty panther]

speeeeeeeed!

[old quail]

[bitter turtle]

yea im just glad it finally got acknowledged

[hearty panther]

man it was like doom 2016 vs eternal

[bitter turtle]

botht hte difficulty and job identity

so ill wait and see if things get better ig

[hearty panther]

2016 felt like a cool ass ride in your dad's trans am

but doom eternal, once you got all the parts

a fucking rally drive through a mountain pass at 150mph

shit im smiling just remembering the gameplay

[bitter turtle]

honestly

im surprised how good DT's melee feels

[hearty panther]

if any of you dummies reading this havent played doom eternal fucking rectify that personal flaw

[bitter turtle]

when truthfully

you're just doing the same easy combo repeatedly

but it just works i guess

[hearty panther]

there's what works

then there's what REALLY works

[old quail]

you know what doesn't work

the crit lines

like when you get a melee crit

it doesn't line up with the swing arc

it's random

crab pointed this out to me like 3 months ago

[hearty panther]

yeah i

[old quail]

and i hadn't noticed in 2500 hours

[hearty panther]

wish he didnt

[bitter turtle]

lol

that's bizarre

never noticed that but i wasnt looking for it

[old quail]

yeah

[uncut pebble]

The puzzles and platforming killed it for me. I did not install the game to do puzzles and platforming, I installed it to rip and tear, until it is done.

[hearty panther]

at the beginning yes

the first three levels have an 'obnoxious' amount of platforming

but once you have your double dash, double jump, hook, etc.

[uncut pebble]

I am just going to wait for the dark ages to release and use that kickass chainsaw shield.

[hearty panther]

you realize they kinda had to make it like that

to a) not have your brain melt from an endless stream of new shit

and b) slow you down slightly for when you come back for collectibles

[uncut pebble]

I'd rather have my brain melt than do a single second of platforming.

[hearty panther]

yeah thats what's funny

[uncut pebble]

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that, too.

[hearty panther]

cause it's not even platforming once you're kitted out

[coral willow]

its-a-mario whooooooo

[hearty panther]

you just

skip over it

youre so fukken fast at that point

[uncut pebble]

Any game that requires you to slog because of a lack of movement tools has dropped the ball in my book. We can agree to disagree.

[hearty panther]

oh no

not a disagreement

i 100% thought it was shit

... at first

i just dont have a more elegant solution than the one they came up with so i dont think of it as some sort of failing

cause eternal added so much shit

took me 150hrs i think

to do ultra nightmare

and my first playthrough i wanna say

that it took til maybe the sixth level before it 'clicked'

where it didnt feel like i was fighting it anymore but playing in its lane

the same way vermintide 2 clicked for me when i learned that weird woosh sound was me about to get hit

so three or four hours, maybe more ,of playing an FPS that's constantly telling you you have no health and no ammo

that's not noob friendly

but the pain

pain is worth it

for the pleasure

[faint beacon]

Honestly I get that, I learned with DT the electrical Bzzt sound was I’m about to get shot and woosh was about to get melee’d and then sooner or later here I am playing the hardest difficulty and viewing it as casual

[hearty panther]

yea

and we play it for da feel and the challenge

like it took me three days to beat one slayer gate in the DLC

that's not rational behaviour, let's be honest here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xxE6pFshtw

three days for mediocre gameplay

[faint beacon]

Never really played the Modern Dooms so I can never put my input in on it, however I can say it did eventually click with Ultrakill, my god I was so bad at parrying till like 20 hours in

Casually parrying every boss

Was one of the handful of people who unironically enjoyed the Guttertanks punches being unpariable and extremely punishing if you got close to them

[hearty panther]

wait ultrakill is still early access

[faint beacon]

Correct

[hearty panther]

that seems insane

[faint beacon]

Violence came out last winter but iirc they’re finishing up Fraud and Treachery

They finally released all the weapons and an Alt Shotgun which is fucking hilarious

[uncut pebble]

Vermintide 2 clicked when I played grail knight with the bretonnian longsword.

Free parries into instakills on stormvermin even on the highest difficulty.

[somber axle]

I need to give Vermintide 1 and 2 another chance after learning Darktide

I tried both of those first and didn't like the gameplay because I couldn't figure out how to play and just kept dying on lower difficulties LOL

[hearty panther]

going back to vt2 from dt taught me that i rely on toughness a wHOOOLE LOT

[somber axle]

Yeah...

That's going to take some time to adjust to

[faint beacon]

My friend keeps harassing me to actually play VT2

Like I have the game i just never bothered booting it up yet lmao

[midnight totem]

after darktide, I can't go back to vt2

no sprint

and the power creep is, eh

not good

[raw needle]

and yet the maps are somehow 2-3 times faster than dt.....

[midnight totem]

they're about the same amount of time

[unique orchid]

i do sort of wish the 'vibe' of vermintide was a little more present in DT, there isnt the tension and grit of a horde assaulting you like there is in VT with those drums and all the screaming, shouting, and murder

the DT music is a giant vibe but it clashes with the sort of feel i expected coming from VT2 originally

[coral willow]

im glad it took different routes tbh

[midnight totem]

I mean, there's plenty of tension, grit, and big ass hordes?

Less drums, true

more metal

[frank basin]

Warframe has most drums use

I believe so

[coral willow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1251682662528061542/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2024-06-16_08-39-24.mp4?ex=666f77d1&is=666e2651&hm=76e98f64fe566c5b045007dc6672ddf9b16f4f86b701b85678a2cbc706ed2cb4&

amazing

this only works with duelswords i think

tried with antax and doesnt go through

[faint beacon]

That’s extremely difficult to land seeing those lumbering idiots usually are swaying their shield back and forth but good to know it exists

[coral willow]

p much yea

[unique orchid]

idk, the vibe is different in a way i think is fine, i just like the vibe of VT2 moreso, just preference

[uncut pebble]

If V2 got their hp system switched to the darktide system and got sprint I might consider playing it again.

[vernal sundial]

GK with bret longsword is just the best
that weapon has so many combos for every situation, it’s so nice having to think about what attacks to use more than just lights or heavies

[coral willow]

bretsword is so broken i want one on zealot

[austere pine]

apparently the xii has defense as one of its stats

[tall torrent]

Typos

I can send u the updated version’s link

[austere pine]

wait is this numbers man

you gotta switch to the old profile picture dud

[tall torrent]

Noe

[austere pine]

why doe

[tall torrent]

I can switch to this if u want

[austere pine]

a more accurate representation of the word "terror" hasn't yet been made

[tame lodge]

They flashed the wind sucker

[last parcel]

what’s wrong with cauliflower cat

[faint beacon]

He forgot the flash was on

[brave verge]

should I replace decapitator or headtaker for brumentum?

[hearty panther]

decap

[junior needle]

Replace decap

Absolutely

[atomic zephyr]

i have a bunch of plasteel burning a hole in my wallet, is kantrael iv lasgun worth it

my usual weapons are nice and all but i need a change of scenery

jfc brunt

i think he forgot to install the battery in that one

wanted deadly accurate iv on an infantry lasgun for so long and now i have it on a gun i actually want to fucking keep

because i'd rather have it on a 1A
i guess im a mk iv main now

[umbral scaffold]

are both of these good?

[atomic zephyr]

looks solid to me

throw em at hadron

[umbral scaffold]

is stopping power important?

[last parcel]

yes

you can press v to inspect, then hover over the stopping power bar to see what it does

[umbral scaffold]

is 62 percent ok?

[atomic zephyr]

it wont kill you

but its definitely nice to have

[last parcel]

it's a bit low on a weapon that already struggles in general

[stuck gorge]

worth buying just to yoink PC4?

[last parcel]

yes yes yes

[atomic zephyr]

absolutely

[stuck gorge]

pc4 acquired

wowie

221 hours in

[serene bough]

I don't like DA on mg4

Prefer HH and ghost

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it doesnt seem to really benefit from it as much

[tall torrent]

Very

[tall torrent]

DA is kinda overrated

[atomic zephyr]

i have these two atm

the 374 is my ideal mg1a roll...on an mg4

[tall torrent]

1st is much better

But ideally I’d go with HH + ghost

Ghost is extremely valuable imo

[atomic zephyr]

see this is my dilemma
if i replace DA 4 i might not see it again for a long time

i wasted a LOT of plasteel trying to get it on my mg1a before i gave up

[somber axle]

DA is fine

Keep DA

change infested to flak imo

that's a nice Kantrael Mk IV

[atomic zephyr]

im just mad its not on a 1a

[somber axle]

That's very fair LOL

[atomic zephyr]

hadron bricked my 380 mg1a with infernus

headhunter infernus

[somber axle]

The IV isn't bad though and with the crazy high fire rate if you're keeping the crosshairs on heads you'll stack crits more frequently to capitalize on DA

[atomic zephyr]

yeah true

ill give it a spin in game

[somber axle]

makes it extra funny for unloading into Plogryn heads and Burgle backs

[atomic zephyr]

atm to me its looking like an ammo efficient, lower dps alternative to a columnus

which i am bored of

[sinful swallow]

What's the sauce for hellbore 3 oneshotting crushers

Do you need rending nodes....

[somber axle]

one sec I have the chart

here you go

[sinful swallow]

Thanks sneaky

Ah I was missing emperor

[somber axle]

Backup shared this with me a while back and I have kept it just in case

[sinful swallow]

Forgot about that

[coral willow]

mk3 def has the funny damage

can i get a mk2 on zealot pls

or just gun with melee on zealot

no headhunter doesnt count even though that has a heavy

[stuck gorge]

i pray for crafting update 4 modification locks🙏

[fleet thicket]

Just sell it bro

[stuck gorge]

nah i will hold on to my copium

(i barely even play veteran)

[fleet thicket]

[stuck gorge]

so me rn ^

[fleet thicket]

I have gotten so bored with this game I'm playing fucking knife psyker

Somehow it fucking woref

[coral willow]

tbh i just wish they give us "red" tier weapons where you can change 3 stats

[fleet thicket]

Worked *

[coral willow]

omw to make haymaker knife so i have something to do with my zealot

[stuck gorge]

hell even just let us completely reroll all perks/blessings at once even if its just a few times

[fleet thicket]

Knife pskyer with trauma staff I thought it was a joke

BUT IT WORKS CUZ

Knife does shit ton of unyielding damage

[coral willow]

eh

[fleet thicket]

Which trauma lacks

[coral willow]

just give like

two things: changable modifiers using diamantine

[fleet thicket]

Also shouldn't you go flesh tearer on knife ?

[coral willow]

and red tier allowing for 3rd rerroll

[coral willow]

l a c e r a t e
for explanation its a korean community thing, and i think its just for newbie zealots who try knife
lacerate doesnt really do much if you 100% the head

but helps with horde clear since some misses to the body

anyway FT better if you actually do crit knife gameplay

[fleet thicket]

I dont know if I am doing crit knife currently

But I am killing shit... with pskyer

[coral willow]

i mean if you are doing

blazing trauma

you are most likely crit knifing

[fleet thicket]

I got flesh tearer and uncanny

[stuck gorge]

what crit talents does psyker even have i forget

[fleet thicket]

I'm pretty sure half their tree

Is literally crit

Or crit related

[coral willow]

good pick

[coral willow]

rightside is usually crit

has a dedicated +5 crit node as well

haha zealot

[stuck gorge]

zealot keystone literally just being crit.

[fleet thicket]

I don't think I'm doing that

I went rending Shockwave trauma staff

[coral willow]

you use warp fluirry?

well its not the best

but people argue about you should use FT always

which idk

yours are good

ask anyone here and they say lacerate is bad

[fleet thicket]

I be honest

I just wanted something to kill bosses and muties

[stuck gorge]

i think its because knife has silly high finesse value and thus you want to always be headshotting

[fleet thicket]

Some dude on twitch told me go knife Bruh

Originally I wanted to use devil claw

I got a good knife so i decided to try it out and here we are

[atomic zephyr]

knife is fun af

[sinful swallow]

It doesn't feel as good as it does on zealot

All the ms nodes and talents go hard

Then again I dont use it for anything other than sprinting lol

[arctic rampart]

only use melee weapon for sprinting..

[sinful swallow]

Specifically the knife? Problem?

[arctic rampart]

not really I dont give a rats ass what my teammates using or how they specd. just I dont think I could do it since melee is a huge part for me

[clever saddle]

knife is one of the best vet melees imo

[languid spade]

F

[midnight totem]

anybody playing a game?

[sinful swallow]

Hadron curses me with lacerate almost exclusively

I got an 80 mobility roll and said fuck it we ball

[clever saddle]

yeah, only bad thing about knife build is it requires very specific blessings and specific talents to work. but when it works, it's extremely good

[bitter turtle]

knife is highly efficient at killing elite/boss

someone challenged me to try 1v2 chaos spawn and i did it almost under 1 min and no dmg taken with knife

chokeda t the end and took 30 dmg tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJJFq6RswQQ

[bitter turtle]

knife doesnt need that much talent tree stuff

just recip and desperado

is enough

actually the blessings are pretty varied as well

i run flesh tearer but you can also run riposte/precog/executor

or mercy killer

uncanny on first slot is the only thing strictly needed

[coral willow]

they have longlas in carnival

[clever saddle]

I used to run it without weapon spec and trench fighter, but the attack speed diff is night and day

[late hatch]

How bad is the dps drop with alts?

[tall torrent]

animation speed is noticeably different but the actual player-executable dps caused by the atk speed difference is very small

[faint beacon]

Holy shit it was suffering getting Gone Bowling but I finally got it

[clever saddle]

is that right? +25% attack speed seems to make a lot of difference in practice

[tall torrent]

you could try going for a 3-hit kill combo on crusher (H > PA > PA)

without any atk speed buff the highest I got was smth like 3402dps

friend of mine had +atk speed on and his highest was like 3464

a 1.8% dps increase from +10% atk speed

[clever saddle]

but it does help out horde clear a lot more, no?

[tall torrent]

not really?

which knife are u using

mk3 or mk6

[clever saddle]

have used both mk3 and 6's with and without weapon spec

gets significantly easier to control hordes with attack speed buff than without

[tall torrent]

you could try creature spawner mod and see if the +atk speed talents actually notably gives faster clear speed

with full +25%, mk6's H2 > L3 combo is a lot nicer yea

but H1 > H2 > BC is the faster clear option

[clever saddle]

at least in practice, from what I've experienced, it's a pretty insane buff to your horde clear

[tall torrent]

u also want to evaluate it vs bruisers

pure groaner/poxwalker clear speed isn't as impressive as vs bruisers

[clever saddle]

from what ive experienced with them, definitely a more noticeable difference lol

[tall torrent]

I suggest u run tests urself to find what kind of numerical difference there is

I don't doubt it feels better

[shadow dagger]

wait does waking a demonhost as last man standing not make it insta disappear anymore

did they change that recently

recentlyish

[coral willow]

did they?

[midnight totem]

Yes, it doesn't insta disapoear

It was a change a while ago

It will kill one then leave

If you are the last one standing. You are that one.

[tame lodge]

Yeah lol

[shadow dagger]

just watched a crusher down me with an overhead

when i was directly behind me

hm

thats a new one

[faint beacon]

I've never gotten so upset when Im in the middle of doing "Do Your Best" and a sniper ducks mid Box throw making me miss and have to completely redo it

[late hatch]

Or someone shoots it the millisecond before it hits

[faint beacon]

Literally I've never seen a smarter sniper AI till that moment

it was about to hit him and he ducked

[late hatch]

There was a bug with the tarkov ai for a while that made them do matrix like dodges when you sniped them. Was bloody hilarious

[faint beacon]

Bro Istfg I am only gaining more respect for Darktide AI

it happened again

A gunner sidestepped it

he was about to get nailed by it and he just sidestepped

[midnight totem]

Rocks are for snipers

Boxes are for everything else

Those are the rules

[faint beacon]

3/5 so far though for Do your best I just keep getting fucked over by Sidestepping AI lmao

[midnight totem]

I did it on gunners and maulers or crusher patrols

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-anti-gravity-step-jackson-dance-gif-anti-gravity-step-gif-18916765

[faint beacon]

The Gunner/Sniper seeing the Box headed straight for them

[umbral scaffold]

sad mini nuke noises

[late hatch]

point blank them into melee units like ragers

[umbral scaffold]

hahahahaha you just wait till you see just how stupid they are

[late hatch]

How do you get purple?

[uncut pebble]

Push shotgunners, ragers, or gunners at point blank and nail them with a box. Far easier that way.

[faint beacon]

Just finished it but my god I had like 5 incidents of them prediciting a Box throw

[last parcel]

i think you have to hold our breath for a while

[late hatch]

that guy is a newbie but has purple lol

[last parcel]

they're good at holding their breath

[coral willow]

anyone have a melee vet build that uses most of the poits in melee tree instead of spending it on superioty complex and ogryn damage n stuff

[somber axle]

if you hold your breath long enough you become a Recon main too

[last parcel]

that explains things

[coral willow]

my recon from melk was bricked by hadron

[tall torrent]

Most melee builds take at least one of these two

[somber axle]

I've got you

[coral willow]

i take two and dont fuck with iron will and cope

[coral willow]

:(

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-commissar-tzeentch-confused-gif-26391578

[tall torrent]

u can take both and still take iron will

[last parcel]

here you go

[uncut pebble]

That looks absolutely vile.

[coral willow]

i think i give 1 point for a crit

so i can achieve 25% crit chance on ps6

[tall torrent]

iron will is 100% better than 5% crit chance lol

[coral willow]

i know

[last parcel]

[coral willow]

but better to use the stuck crit chance on me sword

than not to sadge

[tall torrent]

If there’s no particular crit weakspot breakpoint ur going after

I don’t think investing into +5% crit chance is as good as u’d hope

[coral willow]

if i had carapace there isntead of crit it'd 2shot crushers without issues but since it cant

[tall torrent]

You don’t need carapace to 2 shot crushers

[coral willow]

mine doesnt unfortunately

[tall torrent]

Elite can hit it

[coral willow]

i have both perks and still not hit it

:/

[tall torrent]

Are u doing the PA > L4 combo?

[coral willow]

ye

does like 3500

jsut that small bit not enough

[tall torrent]

Low finesse / dmg roll?

Or ur using sunder instead of BM

[coral willow]

ye sunder

BM would def kill it

[tall torrent]

Swap maniac to elite

Elite hits way better breakpoints than maniac does

[coral willow]

does it hit ragers

[tall torrent]

U could 1 hit both shotgunners and 2 hit both ragers

[coral willow]

yknowhat lemme test

sounds great then

other candidates

well candidate

[tall torrent]

Flak is mostly not relevant for PS6

[coral willow]

cause the other one is sunder mk3

[tall torrent]

It’s elite +maniac

Elite priority

[coral willow]

without crit kinda doesnt die

but doesnt matter much i guess

[tall torrent]

Take a +melee dmg node

[tall torrent]

Unless ur playing plasma/agripinaa shotgun I rly don’t think survivalist is that necessary rn

[coral willow]

PA combo 2shots it

im just using one for quick swing ps6

i dont even take the reload node lol

[tall torrent]

U could have shown a full tree yk

[coral willow]

i dont have a screencap feature that does that sry

[last parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor is a lie created by chaos

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern website

[coral willow]

upper half

[tall torrent]

Ok honestly
Drop survivalist

U rly do not need survivalist unless ur playing those 2 guns I mentioned or ur in scab melee maelstrom

[somber axle]

snip tool?

[tall torrent]

Might as well go krak too tbh

[somber axle]

I think snip tool is just on windows by default

[tall torrent]

Krak enables power sword for much more reliable boss DPS with its stagger

And easier pathing to 10% melee and agile engagement

5% crit chance isn’t that necessary for PS6 imo

Take iron will over demo team

[coral willow]

yooooooo it 2shots crushers without crit if i take elite yoooooooooo

[coral willow]

i used that to show it to you

[tall torrent]

I told u elite is the way to go

[coral willow]

just cant get it in 1 image

[tall torrent]

U could just play smth like this

Can swap to any keystone u want tbh

[coral willow]

ogay it also kills ragers in 2 hits

cause idk

nice

2nd power sword melee mode(no keystone here as well)

[somber axle]

oh then just hold down ctrl and scroll your mousewheel backward in increments

it will zoom out

[tall torrent]

U rly don’t need that many infiltrate nodes

[somber axle]

I do that to zoom out enough to get the full talent tree on screen before snipping for screenshots

[tall torrent]

U took every one except the best one lmao

[somber axle]

my sweet spot for games lantern is 80%

[coral willow]

m e l e e wee

[coral willow]

sorry i meant ingame

[tall torrent]

Yea, just take low profile and it’s enough

8s stealth + 10s pseudo stealth

That’s an insane duration for u to kill stuff

[last parcel]

they aren't using gameslantern

[somber axle]

oh then yeah you can't in game

that's why I use games lantern to show talent set ups

like this

[tall torrent]

Surprise attack is for psykanium dps, it’s usually not that relevant in practical applications

[coral willow]

dont they still get aggro'd to you if you melee them?sad about that sadge

[coral willow]

once oneshot like 6 ragers with BM idk how but i did

[somber axle]

need MORE grenades

[tall torrent]

My guy you’re gonna 2 hit every non-boss enemy what could possibly cause problems

Plus u have krak

Bulwarks aren’t even a problem

[coral willow]

eh fair enough

ill probably try another build once i get a good BM ps6

[tall torrent]

Last 2 are very low health, first 4 had half health

[coral willow]

no

oneshot from full

[tall torrent]

Test it urself and see if u can make it happen

[coral willow]

tough last 2 might have been on low or half health since it was headfirst running into the team

[tall torrent]

Maybe crit ?

But crit is like

High scaling but not that important for PS6

All ur major breakpoints are non-crit

And u don’t take more than 2 hits to kill anything

[coral willow]

nah you can oneshot with PS3 heavy with the 30% damage on infil

idk how it oneshot the last two tho

[tall torrent]

Psykanium warrior DPS moment

[coral willow]

still have zero idea

[coral willow]

did it in real game once and that was fun

[tall torrent]

Once in a blue moon

[coral willow]

true

on the elevator to vigil station after the elevator opened 6 ragers ran so i infiltrate and slam the ps3 somehow getting that

probably actual blue moon event

welp

i dont remeber my sword doing this

must've been elite thing also working its magic here

also oneshots dreg gunners i dont remember that

thanks for recommendation to elite

ok ragers wont die in 2 hits without a crit but tradeoff seems decent

and PA attack still kills them

lmfao even with fireteam it still wont kill it if it doesnt crit

that sucks

[iron marten]

played one game with the recon... never using it again lmao

[last parcel]

if only there was a node that gave +10% melee damage

[coral willow]

fine ill get that instead

barely

low finessseeeee

god dammit

i can feel the PS6 being slow

jeez

[brave verge]

is this worth investing in or is the mobility too low?

[junior needle]

You want 51% mobility for the added dodge

If you can one tap both bruiser types with what you're using then it's fine and won't really need an upgrade, but you probably need unarmored over flak for that

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

A ping would help

[coral willow]

welp

brutal momentum

carapce is a concern

[brave verge]

tbh I'm currently just big chilling in heresy, but yeah in damnation I'd need a better brumentum, the axe is actually just short on flak bruisers

the perks rolled like shit (sprint speed and elite damage)

[sturdy zephyr]

Is hipfire for lasgun no crit at all?dang took whole clip taking muties down

[coral willow]

headhunter works whether or not you ADS or not

p sure

[thick kestrel]

yarp, its likely more that hipfire lasguns have REALLY wide shot spread and are kind of janky inaccurate as a result. you can hipfire headhunter autoguns with pretty much perfect precision for the first couple of shots, lasguns need to be ADS or they do... delightfully weird things ^^

[real pawn]

how's this, or should i eat the gloryhunter or something

i don't any plasma blessings in the bank

[coral willow]

holy fuck

good brunt with not so great hadron ruining

[grand perch]

pray4crafting rework

[junior needle]

Probably an eater for glory, but you could just change the perks if you really wanted to use it

The stopping power can drag you down a bit without some extra juice

[plucky cosmos]

i created a melee build and now its actually usable

[bitter turtle]

yeah its still mediocre at best, and sucky at worst

tbh the main problem is the awful maniac damage makes it feel terrible to deal with specialist spam on auric

[iron marten]

off topic, but this is the 2nd day in a row I saw a vet blow himself up with plasma

[iron marten]

yeah, I mainly just switched to my melee whenever they were within 20m

quick delete!

the flash!

[junior needle]

It's not just awful maniac damage

2/3 are also shit against unyielding

And their flak dps is only about normal

Except for the 2

Which is shit against everything

[last parcel]

it doesn’t even let you down yourself

[umbral scaffold]

dont run blaze away with shattering impact, plasma will kill mostly anything in 3-4 shots with lights. If you run melee vet you want gets hot with shattering impact. you also cant really get much benefit out of it, even with the best thermal resistance stat you will be at max heat after 8 shots. Gives you 3 at 50% however a crit can top 1600 on carapace with 25% giving you a bit better dps if you run high heat which you should. Since plasma has high AP stat the damage addition from max brittleness only tops 1400-low 1500s. If you are playing soley shooty vet tho blaze and volatile is the better choice as it takes you above a one shot break point on full charge shots to weakspot with crushers + ult ogryn

[junior needle]

I think he knows, considering he said hadron ruined it

[last parcel]

volatile user

[umbral scaffold]

vs

[junior needle]

Volatile is not really a good recommendation though

[umbral scaffold]

better then shattering for shooting

[agile forge]

Blaze away gets hot is usually the rec

[junior needle]

Well shattering is nearly useless

So it's not hard to do better than it

[umbral scaffold]

not if you build it with melee vet

[agile forge]

Or Blaze away glory hunter if you want the toughness more

[junior needle]

It's usually gets hot and either blaze or glory I see

[umbral scaffold]

20+ vs 20 takes you to full stacks brittle

Im just telling you what the numbers are from psykanium and in game, i have a 547 plasma thats almost godroll. I have spent many an hour with it

[last parcel]

are you shooting crushers then pouncing on them with a tac axe

that’s ape

i love it

[junior needle]

That is very ape

Returning to monke

[coral willow]

not like i have a choice

[umbral scaffold]

They aren't fun if they can't hit you

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-monkey-gif-21881306

[umbral scaffold]

Vet is a melee class and no one will change my mind

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/run-afraid-gun-monkey-gif-15569301

[umbral scaffold]

cant miss if its right in front of you

[last parcel]

challenge accepted

[umbral scaffold]

if you miss with plasma seek help the projectile is nearly as big as revolver thiccccc bullet

[junior needle]

It's not exactly efficient killing but at least your teammates can't complain about you using less ammo

Unlike a certain other gun

[umbral scaffold]

I run survivalist so they shut the fuck up else plasma will non consenually touch EVERY tin

MEanwhile helbore last 40 shot mag with infinite capacity if not bricked and can 3 shot crushers go brrr

[junior needle]

non consenually touch EVERY tin
I'm used to this happening

Whenever there's a recon user

This was before the surv nerf too

[umbral scaffold]

lmao thats nothing, 12Veg maelstroms i will burn thru 14-18 tins and 4-5 bags

90% accuracy

[junior needle]

You shooting into poxes or something

gyatt damn

[umbral scaffold]

no, just shock gaunt in maelstrom

specials NEVER stop

[last parcel]

everything is a target

[umbral scaffold]

The american schooling system strongly agrees

[junior needle]

That was only regular histg

I'm sure uh

[last parcel]

the enemies of man must die today

[junior needle]

We would've seen even more ammo grubbing in a harder setup

[umbral scaffold]

i run knife for pubs just because of that, and stealth because im a selfish fucker whos just chasing 1mill + damage scores when not playing with team

hard to miss the special when its targetting the pub, stealth next to them simply to break your aggro bubble on them

most pubs are legit bots that take resources nowadays

[regal yarrow]

How the game was ment to be played

[low jetty]

veteran power fist when, or is it only accesible by a commissar/sergeant

[hexed cliff]

doesn’t the power sword also say it’s only for high ranking officers

[oblique cedar]

im thinking of swapping decimator for uncanny strike, is it worth it?

[grand perch]

i unlocked the secret power fist ingame

[regal yarrow]

everyone askin bout the powerfist, when my boy bolt pistol is being left out

[late hatch]

I hope they make the pfist like it should be, slower than a thammer

[iron marten]

bolt pistol is in the next update, dw

[regal yarrow]

I WONT NEED A MOD TO HAVE THE FACADE!!!!!

[regal yarrow]

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME ABOUT THE LASPISTOL, IT IS FANTASTIC

[distant girder]

What's the fastest way to do the weapons specialist penance? Not really getting anywhere with it

[merry fern]

Holla

[covert timber]

Probably going to work like the ogyrns grenade hand

[merry fern]

Do we have any build with smoke bomb and shogun

[covert timber]

Uh melee build wit shotgun

[merry fern]

Yep

Meele veteran for Heresy to play with my buddy

[covert timber]

I play melee on all my characters even if they can’t

[regal yarrow]

vet is just made to lean ranged, he can still cut down hoards if you use the right stuff

[sturdy zephyr]

Devil claw still good melee to use?

Or need melee attack speed build?

[covert timber]

Still good

[civic knot]

Buy? Are the perks/blessings BiS besides stamina?

[covert timber]

Yes big damage big cries do it

Crits*

[civic knot]

I will resist the urge to buy cause plasma gun trivializes enemies 😎

Just wanted to see how good it was

[earnest lodge]

Buy it for gets hot!

[civic knot]

already have it on another version of it, just havent earned it yet

[coral willow]

gethot is good

[late hatch]

Gets hot is great. Shattering is a bit redundant.

[topaz lance]

I've been trying the Boltor again after a long time. Why do people keep saying it's trash? It's not a delete everything button anymore but a lot of fun as a sniper type weapon. Feels powerful too.

[elder fiber]

It used to be stronger and it's not on the level of plasma and revolver but its def usable

[agile forge]

Power crept, and pinning fire got ruined

And ammo economy and anti-bulwark also both got nerfed

indirectly

[rocky jacinth]

rip shield shots

it's still good though, 1 shotting reapers, 2 shotting crushers and all that

[radiant chasm]

Poor ammo economy and it plays counterintuitively

There is just better surgicals/semi autos out there without the shitty irons and shitty ammo and the god awful action speed

It wants to behave like a magdump power weapon still, the damage stats don’t agree with it

[tiny summit]

Law on the internet if something isnt best in class vs the alternatives its seen as trash. Its an ok weapon. Its fun. You arent gimping your run using it. Its just the reality that compared to the meta weapons its kinda underwhelming in its stats and ease of use.

[radiant chasm]

Also just cause you use it correctly, doesn’t mean everyone who picks up bolter will

It’s a lot easier to use poorly

[somber axle]

It's not trash. Also anti-bulwark is still there but you have to use Exe Stance and most people are allergic to that ability. With no Exe Stance on a Boltgun you can only drop the number of shots to stagger a Bulwark by firing into their shield to 4 shots. With Exe Stance you don't even need Pinning Fire stacks to 2 shot pop open a Bulwark by firing into their shield and the hip-fire conveniently does exactly a 2 shot burst too

Plus with bad collateral stat (a stat people see as a dump stat) and no pinning fire stacks you would need up to 6 shots to pop a Bulwark shield without Exe Stance

So the Bulwark change made a lot of people with low collateral and no exe stance turned off to using the weapon entirely

6 shots when the weapon has 15 ammo per clip and a lengthy reload after the Survivalist Aura change was enough for the average person not doing clown science to think the gun is now trash tier for fighting Bulwarks

But there IS a way to still 1 shot stagger bulwark shields with the Boltgun...

but it's hilariously impractical for actual games LMFAO

You need:

Collateral stat 77%+
Exe Stance Active
Max Pinning Fire Stacks
Combat Stim

[thick kestrel]

it's also worth noting that some people get too tied up with seeking pure efficiency rather than entertainment and ending missing the forest for the trees.

the Boltgun takes some work to get the most out of, but it's a ton of fun and is more than good enough for 99% of what you need to deal with.

[somber axle]

then every single shot fired will stagger bulwark shields in 1 shot

[thick kestrel]

sometimes just deleting a heretic in a cavalcade of gore and giblets is the only reason you need :>

[somber axle]

but I don't like relying on stims for breakpoints so just do exe stance and hip-fire burst into the shield instead

I'd also say that since the majority of the time you're firing single shots into targets to use it more like a DMR it ends up going through ammo very slowly. Just don't spray and pray the whole clip away unless you're trying to magdump a lot of burst damage into a boss

Because it's so, so satisfying just going full auto with the Boltgun into a Burgle back, Plogryn head or Chaos Spawn face after stun staggering one with the krak grenade

[feral bay]

But what about chainaxe brittleness?

[somber axle]

I haven't done any clown science with chainaxe brittleness so idk LOL

I do play with Chainaxe XII on a monster killer talent set up

[hearty panther]

what about it specifically

[somber axle]

so fun sprinting into a Daemonhost and killing it ASAP when a team mate accidentally aggros one

[hearty panther]

cause there's no fancy interactions, it works as stated

chaxe12 is a good time

wish it was lik

like* maybe 5% faster attack speed on the lights

[somber axle]

the attack speed is pretty slow and feels a bit off even after stacking both trench fighter drill's +10% melee attack speed and weapon specialist through melee specialists's extra +15% attack speed

but it's definitely more comfortable with both

[hearty panther]

only zealot makes it feel close to 'fast' with all their buffs and even then

also i suspect attack speed isnt affecting the heavy attacks correctly but i dont really care lul

i feel like it was made for veteran but its just a touch too slow

cause the finesse values on that push attack are excellent and spamming push attack into light is surprisingly effective

[somber axle]

plus it's so satisfying to rev and slam into Ogryn faces or boss faces

[shrewd lagoon]

The bolter requires aim and filters most simple as

[quartz solar]

What focus tree setup and blessing are you running for a chain axe bolter combo?

[shrewd lagoon]

And avoiding the aim requirement (never ADSing) isn't good, especially after the ammo nerf

Exec stance is defacto required which filters those who require voice of command

I think it's vet only though, the draw time + reload speed are both too slow foe priest

[hearty panther]

zealot skips draw time with tknife

[hearty panther]

do you mean using focus target specifically

[earnest sand]

My team mates managed to get us wiped on lowest difficulty

How? Picking up both grims and then acted surprised when we had 20 hp to spare

[radiant chasm]

I got better weapons to aim with

[somber axle]

Voice of Command is so strong that some Vets legitimately can't play without it

Average VoC addict running Exe Stance will end up on their knees a lot more because they're reliant on a get out of jail free card

[topaz lance]

VoC nerf and exe buff when?

[hearty panther]

we really just need the VoC nerf

[terse idol]

Exe buff would be nice

Considering it's just ass vs bosses

5 seconds

[hearty panther]

its like how everyone thought the move speed aura was irredeemable trash but then survivalist finally got its nerf and suddeny everyone realizes its pretty good lol

[terse idol]

I mean people still think it's trash

To be faiiir

[topaz lance]

I disagree
Exe should allow you to switch to melee for 3 sec without immediatly expiring
Exe should trigger weapon specialist

[somber axle]

I liked a suggestion here earlier. Only provides gold toughness if you're at full toughness. Otherwise just restores you to full toughness

[hearty panther]

i agree with the second part. first part is w/e to me, if FatShark wants to make it flexible like that i won't fight about it

[stuck gorge]

exe shouldnt even cancel on melee swapping, ogryns doesnt iirc.

[hearty panther]

but honestly just letting me unnet a teammate without losing xstance would be a start

or not having it turned off if slightly staggered

[stuck gorge]

you see your leg slightly moved and thus you are no longer in a executioner stance, you are just normally standing!!! ☝️🤓

[terse idol]

I still see plenty of infil-weapon spec still go aaalll the way left and the aaalll the way right

[unique orchid]

personally i think it's fine, you swap into the ranged stance to fire your gun and it toggles off when you swap off your gun

[somber axle]

Exe Stance should fully reload clip on use like it used to

[terse idol]

Not losing exe stance when you swap weapons

[somber axle]

Make the Boltgun funnier

[terse idol]

I'm still conflicted about thaat much

Then you're stepping on gungryns toes

[somber axle]

It's fine. We share Infil stealth vs Shroud stealth and they fulfill different roles

[topaz lance]

Meh, that will just make people dependant on that panic button again

Been there myself

don't like it

[terse idol]

I dont think exe reloading your ammo is thaat much of a panic button that VOC definetly is

[somber axle]

Exe Stance? As a panic button?? When VoC and Infil exist? LMFAO

[stuck gorge]

how long does infil last again?

[topaz lance]

With boltor it was back when the talent tree wasn't a thing

[terse idol]

Yeah, and exe and MF there isn't a panic button besides literally

Hitting more headshots to gain more toughness back

[coral willow]

judt make the tag sharing default, and give either the "extension when marked enemy killed" or "reload entire mag + temp power boost on the marked enemies killed"

[terse idol]

😌

[somber axle]

If someone uses Exe Stance as a panic button send them to be re-educated. They're playing pretty silly and that's goofy even for this clown

[terse idol]

Exe and MF panic button when you use the columnus

[coral willow]

panic button kill everything on sight brrrrrrt

[terse idol]

[somber axle]

I read a story about an attempted rebellion where the Space Marines were more bothered by how bad the attempt at rebellion was than the act of rebellion itself and I now understand how they felt

[hearty panther]

i mean really ive always said it this way

xstance is great for preventing the situations you use VoC to bail you out of

one is much more proactive vs. reactive and if you actually know what you're doing positioning wise, xstance is going to do a lot for you

but VoC applies to three other people, which is all the more reason it's ridiculous

[somber axle]

That's not a panic button, that's an offensive cooldown being used to burst down threats. Infiltrate and Voice of Command are panic buttons

[coral willow]

least this kills most specials on headshot

[terse idol]

Geahh I knoow

[unique orchid]

I mean it's just kruber ult from VT2

[coral willow]

dog is impossible to kill oneshot i think lmfao

[terse idol]

I like to think that bullet hosing to gain back toughness is a panic but it takes alot more brain power

[hearty panther]

not really, no

[coral willow]

give it crits and we'd get salty alt

[somber axle]

Yes exactly. If someone is falling into panic situations often while using Exe Stance and trying to use it as a panic button they're looking at the wrong ability to make up for mistakes

[terse idol]

It's better cause

It gives you over-toughness

[coral willow]

in vt2

you really dont regenerate your entire "health"

[terse idol]

You can use Quber ult to gain back toughness and stagger enemies all the time sure
Lord forbid you just get overheaded while at max toughness again

[hearty panther]

it always works, it's on a shorter cooldown, overtoughness has ridiculous unstated benefits, it's coherency-wide which means you can have it work on you anywhere from 8 to 24 meters away

[coral willow]

who is 24

[terse idol]

Yeeep

[coral willow]

ogryn?

[hearty panther]

oh thats right

[terse idol]

The longer zealot at 50m

[unique orchid]

oggy w lynchpin probably

[hearty panther]

it could be even futher

nah it's 8 vs. 12m if you have any of the coherency bonuses on vet, ogryn, psyker

so AKTUALLY

you could be 36m away

[coral willow]

coherency relay???

[hearty panther]

but it doesnt count you in range of one person, it's person to person

[terse idol]

VoC is a little goofy

[hearty panther]

as a line

[coral willow]

what the fuck

[hearty panther]

it's obviously unreliable at a distance like that

but it's a possibility, which is pretty wild

[stuck gorge]

playing a game of telephone passing the VOC toughness

[hearty panther]

cause ya the game isnt like

"ok you are 8m from only one teammate, you get their aura/bonuses"

it also checks to see who they are beside

and that amalgamation is coherency

[terse idol]

I mean now I gotta ask how yall feeling about FS doing the "improve don't nerf" route

Besides survivalist nerf

[coral willow]

this i assume is the vt2 way

[terse idol]

[coral willow]

tbh i like surv nerf

[unique orchid]

based, make everything decent as opposed to good things bad

[terse idol]

Surv nerf was needed

[hearty panther]

there's absolutely stuff still on the nerfing block lol

[terse idol]

Except recon

Kill recon

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[unique orchid]

fair

[hearty panther]

some might be closer to rework territory than just a numbers nerf

like smite

or VoC

crit strings are gonna go at some point

[coral willow]

gotta nerf greninja-recon

[terse idol]

Bulwark buffed, but 0 effective nerf on plasma gun

[hearty panther]

rending is absolutely going to get chopped

[terse idol]

Bolter nerfed

[earnest sand]

Veteran newbie tips?

[terse idol]

Indirectly

[coral willow]

tbh i wonder how its gonna be chopped

[hearty panther]

look i get that you could shoot one shot to open up a bulwark and that it felt nice to do it

but to be real

you shouldnt waste your fukken ammo like that lmao

[stone adder]

please don't nerf my plasma rifle it already has 40% damage leave it alone

[hearty panther]

even when you could

[coral willow]

eh

[terse idol]

1 shot to stagger is reasonable imo

[coral willow]

i think it was a valid usecase

[unique orchid]

Shoot specials, understand what you're good at killing in terms of enemy type, be aware of whats in melee distance

[terse idol]

Maybe 2 max

[coral willow]

5 is wild

[earnest sand]

Shoot normals too?

[hearty panther]

if theyre close enough that you wanna bolter them you could just wait one whole second for them to swing the world's most telegraphed attack and dodge back

[coral willow]

hi niko

[hearty panther]

now your shot staggers them and does damage

[unique orchid]

if there are no specials nearby, specials and elites are prio

[coral willow]

ooh baby a phalanx

glad that plasma was nerfed so shields actually work as shields, but i really hope bolter does the old lnack again

[terse idol]

Sometimes I just don't want them getting thaaat close

It's like why even buff the stagger res on bulwark

If the plasma can just

[mortal orbit]

Wots the rework tho, taking away stacking?

[terse idol]

Penetrate and kill them anyways

[coral willow]

takes way more shots

now you can think about it now

problem is bolter still doesnt have this potion

option*

[unique orchid]

if the meltagun ever comes out im certain that will be the pen and kill weapon

[hearty panther]

dunno

well even agrip slug pops them open

options still exist

[coral willow]

since the mechanic is shared by brittleness so idk

[hearty panther]

but i never took a bolter because it could pop a bulwark shield and i very rarely if ever took advantage of that

[coral willow]

a slug opens bht not a giant explosive 20mm self propelling rocket with explosive charge in it

[hearty panther]

bolter ammo is too precious to toss one out on a utility like that imo

[mortal orbit]

Cus i agree its broken. I like the rezz one, itd be better if it saved a full wound

[coral willow]

too op maybe

[mortal orbit]

Leave 75% of a wound, the radius reduction is huge

The toughness shout is kinda easy mode.

[coral willow]

swap the cooldown between normal and revive

now vets can be very selfish!

[earnest sand]

Should I avoid grimoire missions entirely?

[mortal orbit]

Itd be cool if they did something for rezz, it only has real use at lower difficulty w/ppl obviously struggling

[earnest sand]

My team managed to get wiped on easiest difficulty for picking up 2 grims

[mortal orbit]

Nah. U gotta have ppl willing to eat the grims if the game is going badly tho

[earnest sand]

I had 20 hp

[hearty panther]

yea

theyre stinky like that

[mortal orbit]

For instance, holding onto 2 grims with a team running 2 wounds. Running the risk of griefing jus for the side quest.

[coral willow]

eh

him getting spooked by 2stack poxburster and instadeath

would be more common

[mortal orbit]

Rezz shout passive one wound, oh damn im happy now

[coral willow]

this is infinite wound once combined with zealot

[mortal orbit]

I meant equipping it gives the vet an extra.

[coral willow]

..eh

more wound giving options would be neat cause only zealot has one lmfao

[mortal orbit]

Something to tip the scales in favor of even slotting rezz over toughness would be dope.

[umbral scaffold]

ive read somewhere that on overwatch penance means no melee damage to hp but toughness if fine is that fact or cap

[hearty panther]

fact

[umbral scaffold]

i assume that also means no chip damage

[midnight totem]

yup

[umbral scaffold]

whats the shortest map/s

[agile forge]

Orthus Offensive

But good luck avoiding all health damage there lmao

Just taking VoC makes it very doable btw

[umbral scaffold]

u can do it on difficulty 3 tho right

[agile forge]

Yes, even easier then

[umbral scaffold]

wouldnt be terrible hopefully

[agile forge]

I got it half by accident doing a heresy game on archivum sycorax

Gf hadn't played in a while and wanted an easier mission and then I got to the descent part and realised my health hadn't moved yet

So I just went extra sweaty on the last bit and made it

Got the "do a mission without taking any damage at all" one done too

[somber axle]

Put corruption resistance on your curio perks

You'll take very, very little ticking corruption from even 2 grims when running corruption resist on all three curios

your team will be on half a wound from their corruption

you'll only have the first 20-25% of your second wound corrupted (assuming no wound curios)

[earnest sand]

I need a cool naming convention I can keep track off in kill feed

[somber axle]

normally corruption resist isn't too big of a deal but it's very worth for farming grims for the penance imo

don't take the one that says grimoire resist

because that one isn't as good as the normal corruption resist

and there's no reason to stack both grim resist and corruption resist

just corruption resist alone is fine and helps protect you against pox gas, burgle snail trails and even dog corruption damage afaik

[earnest sand]

So I plan to make Veteran, Zealot, Inquisitor and Ogryn

Name them Luna, LunaII, LunaIII and LunaIV?

[agile forge]

You forget the most important one

[earnest sand]

Or hit random exactly 4 times each?

[agile forge]

Poxbursters

[somber axle]

Oh yeah LOL

those too

[agile forge]

(Also poxwalkers btw)

2 poxbursters kills my psyker from full HP and zero corruption

1 does it from ~20% corruption alone.

That is, kills, not downs

[somber axle]

Luna, Lunara, Lunaga, Lunaja
if you want to do a funny Final Fantasy spell reference

[earnest sand]

Eh

[somber axle]

it's ok I love Final Fantasy a little too much

[earnest sand]

I don't get it

[agile forge]

Lunasa also an option

It's how final fantasy games do spell rankings

[tiny summit]

HadronFeetArchive

[agile forge]

There might be 4 main fire related spells, they will typically be called Fire Fira Firaga and Firaja in sequence

[earnest sand]

I need ideas for 4 similar names

[agile forge]

And then endgame spells would be called some unique name but yeah

Moon, John Madden, Aeiou, Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[earnest sand]

Still need help with names

[somber axle]

Yeah idk I'm bad with names LOL

My characters are
Mira - Vet
Reth - Ogryn
Clarisse - Zealot
Seffie - Psyker

[last parcel]

thing 1 thing 2 thing 3 thing 4

[agile forge]

Mine are Kragneto, Kragocalypse, Kragnarok and Garkragtuan

[earnest sand]

Hmm, how about hitting random exactly 4 times?

[agile forge]

Psyker, vet, zealot, ogryn respectively

"Hitting" "Random" "Four" "Times" could work

[somber axle]

Mira and Reth are names I used for WoW characters, Clarisse is a character I played in D&D and Seffie is my FF14 character

so I'm sorta just borrowing from character names I've used elsewhere

[agile forge]

Looking forward to Pictomancer?

[somber axle]

Yes absolutely

Dawntrail is so soon

[agile forge]

I'm rerolling to it from BLM

Scared lol

Been BLM main since 3.0

[somber axle]

Picto might replace BLM as my spell DPS main depending on how it feels to play

[agile forge]

DT changes look like they're making BLM less satisfying

[somber axle]

I do PLD for tanking, WHM for healing, MCH for ranged DPS, NIN for melee DPS and BLM for spell DPS

mostly do healing though

I haven't really seen how the classes are being changed tbh

I've mostly been in the dark||tide|| when it comes to whatever is happening in the new xpac

[agile forge]

I got super burned out with my static not being able to get through P12

New one much better for my mental stability

[somber axle]

idk I just do roulettes and level my classes (I still have to max out all the crafting and gathering classes + Blue Mage spellbook hunting)

[umbral scaffold]

gets halfway through the mission unscathed then gets dc'd cos this game has the dogshittest servers ive ever played on

like what the fuck am i supposed to do

it happens every other game

[sinful swallow]

Are you playing with any mods

[umbral scaffold]

yeah

[sinful swallow]

Are you using extended wep customization from nexus

[umbral scaffold]

no

[sinful swallow]

Are you using dark cache

[umbral scaffold]

this is my modlist

[sinful swallow]

Ok cool none of those are problem mods

Do you have the interface avatars disabled

[umbral scaffold]

im not sure what that means

[sinful swallow]

Esc options interface and scroll to bottom

Uhh

Portrait renderinf

[umbral scaffold]

i dont think ive touched that

[sinful swallow]

A lot of server disconnects are because if you have a hiccup of about 200ms it'll auto boot because your client is panicking

Dark cache, Nexus weap customization, and in-game option of portrait rendering are huge culprits

Dark cache has some bug right now too with nurgle slime crashing you to desktop for rest of mission

Are you on an Nvidia or AMD setup

[sinful swallow]

If you see characters faces in their window on morningstar/in your strike team that means it's on

[umbral scaffold]

AMD

is that relevant

[earnest sand]

Whats best veteran melee?

Heard sword is good for decaps

[umbral scaffold]

dclaw is the best melee for everyone cos u can solo 30 ragers at once

[somber axle]

The current meta Vet melee picks are Rashad Mk II Combat Axe, Power Sword Mk VI and Combat Knife Mk VI but they all require certain things or they're not so good

Rashad Mk II Combat Axe needs very high damage, finesse, first target and penetration on top of needing unarmoured perk, headtaker and brutal momentum or it's not good

Power Sword Mk VI needs Power Cycler IV or it's not good

Combat Knife Mk VI needs Uncanny Strike or it's not good

I really, really like Tac Axe Mk IV though

Fold Shovels are also really good

Mk VII Shovel can 1HKO Crushers and has strong horde kill

[earnest sand]

Is Numeric UI necesary to help ration ammo?

[somber axle]

but Mk VII Shovel needs Uncanny + Thrust

it's time

0% helbore Maelstrom challenge time

I apologize if any of you see me

[tall torrent]

ragers really aren't as big of a problem as they used to be

[earnest sand]

Best lasgun? @somber axle

[tall torrent]

DC has pretty bad bruiser clear speed due to low flak ADM in cleave dmg distribution

[hearty panther]

the one in your hands

[umbral scaffold]

that is an insane roll wtf

[tall torrent]

no but it's nice

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II in my opinion

[earnest sand]

Isnt that the charge trigger action?

I like semi auto

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

laspistol mk2 then

[somber axle]

If you mean the Infantry Lasguns then the Kantrael Mg1a is the best of them imo

[earnest sand]

Pistol!?

[somber axle]

But the Kantrael Mk IV is also good

[earnest sand]

I asked for lasgun, not laspistol

[somber axle]

Kantrael Mk XII is a bit behind the others but it's ok imo

[hearty panther]

its a pretty chunky pistol tbf

[tall torrent]

then MG4

[tiny summit]

Does dmg affect bayonet?

[last parcel]

yes

[somber axle]

with the 0%

with an 80% damage Helbore