Stacks with melee base 5% too
#veteran-class
sinful swallow
astral blade
its out for blood numbskull
orchid hemlock
And since BL transfers that toughness to the rest of the team, assuming everyone is in coherency, they also get it
sinful swallow
O4B
orchid hemlock
its out for blood numbskull
FUCK
last parcel
i think that's out of blood translated to some language
snow cypress
i think that's out of blood translated to some language
yeah XD
orchid hemlock
So not only do I get 400%, my entire team gets it. Which is 1600% toughness
sinful swallow
Well they get 15% of 400 x 3
snow cypress
and with CF it would be 1700
orchid hemlock
Oh yeah I forgot the 15%
snow cypress
yeah lol
orchid hemlock
No
astral blade
.....losing brain cells over here seriously what is this chat rn
snow cypress
I mean including all you said
orchid hemlock
.....losing brain cells over here seriously what is this chat rn
Darktide is a brain loosing game
orchid hemlock
I mean including all you said
What?
snow cypress
Well they get 15% of 400 x 3
that's true it would be a 15 of 400%
orchid hemlock
When do you kill 20 elites with one plasma shot?
snow cypress
which is 60% to each allie
add this a 15 because you have CF
which is 75%
Ik it would not be to all
Because people spread
flint lake
When do you kill 20 elites with one plasma shot?
Pretty common fighting shotgunners
orchid hemlock
No the hypothetical I created doesn't take into account that I kill any elites
Maybe a couple Idk
snow cypress
The 15% of CF does not change
if it's elite or not
I'm only saying that is not that bad
orchid hemlock
Yes but when are you killing trash with a range attack?
snow cypress
nope
orchid hemlock
So it has no synergy with CL
snow cypress
man,are you listering what I'm saying
snow cypress
So it has no synergy with CL
what's CL?
orchid hemlock
CF sorry
astral blade
is this golden clown still still yapping?
elder dawn
is this good i've had it forever and forgot about it
orchid hemlock
The problem with CL is 2 issues:
1.) It does not proc on yourself
2.) It does not proc on mele kills
snow cypress
When am I saying it HAS
snow cypress
The problem with CL is 2 issues:
1.) It does not proc on yourself
2.) It does ...
that's another point melee kills which i can partially agree with you
orchid hemlock
So if you are fighting a horde with your mele weapon, you get nothing.
If you shoot thru the horde with your plasma weapon, not only are you wasting ammo, you better hope your entire team is close to that beam
snow cypress
Ok,see this.You are saying that one issue of CF is that it has no synergy with BL.But I'm saying you with numbers that the change it would make to CF to have synergy with Bl it would be so low,so having this into account is not that relevant to CF to have synergy.Do you understand me now?
snow cypress
It more a complementary talent
orchid hemlock
Ok,see this.You are saying that one issue of CF is that it has no synergy with B...
It has no synergy with BL
stop
If you say that one more time I'm literally going to dip
junior needle
Yeah the gist is that it encourages you to do things that you shouldn't normally be doing to get any value out of it, and getting value out of it additionally requires some very particular circumstances
snow cypress
When am I saying it has?
orchid hemlock
When am I saying it has?
Ok,see this.You are saying that one issue of CF is that it has no synergy with BL.But I'm saying you with numbers that the change it would make to CF to have synergy with Bl it would be so low,so having this into account is not that relevant to CF to have synergy.Do you understand me now?
snow cypress
Yeah the gist is that it encourages you to do things that you shouldn't normally...
that's the reason why I would be doubtous about using it.However saying not to use it because it has no synergy is quite a bad argument
orchid hemlock
OK if you are not shooting the plasma gun into a horde, the value you get in comparison to out for blood is non existant
junior needle
It technically gives your teammates toughness, but yeah it doesn't give benefit from born leader
snow cypress
```Ok,see this.You are saying that one issue of CF is that it has no synergy wit...
Well i'm not saying it has synergy
Learn to read
orchid hemlock
I use my power sword or whatever, awesome I slaughter a horde and give a bunch of toughness to my team
snow cypress
It technically gives your teammates toughness, but yeah it doesn't give benefit ...
yeah
Thanks for understand me(i think)
junior needle
So the thing is, 15% of 5% is still quite low
snow cypress
So the thing is, 15% of 5% is still quite low
yeah
snow cypress
So the thing is, 15% of 5% is still quite low
0,75 per person
junior needle
Even if you're killing 4 units every swing with BM psword
And additionally it's chip value
snow cypress
Soldier 69 tell you understood me please
junior needle
Whereas toughness is lost in huge chunks
snow cypress
Or am I crazy?
junior needle
I haven't been paying attention to the conversation much, I'm playing deeprock atm 
junior needle
Sounds like a communication failure
snow cypress
Sounds like a communication failure
yeah
junior needle
Relax guys
snow cypress
totally
snow cypress
I'm just trying to say my opinion and they are not listening just repeating the same thing
orchid hemlock
Maybe the reason why I am repeating the same retort is because you keep repeating the same argument
🧠
astral blade
Relax guys
my man i wouldn't bother thay golden guy is either trolling or is just down right a clown
snow cypress
I haven't been paying attention to the conversation much, I'm playing deeprock a...
I'm saying that is not that important that CF HAS NO SYNERGY WITH BL
It is important?It is
Enough to not use it?,i don't think so
orchid hemlock
I understand that it gives toughness on plasma kill, that's cool and all.
But why would I waste 2 nodes on an extremely conditional node that I could be using in more synergy with BL?
Because the way I use plasma is I primarily use it to kill elites form afar
Not near anyone most of the time
snow cypress
I understand that it gives toughness on plasma kill, that's cool and all.
But w...
because per kill it gives you 15% of toughness,not a reduced amount of toughness
orchid hemlock
No it doesn't, it only gives 15% toughness if someone is 5 meters away from the targets you kill
snow cypress
Not near anyone most of the time
see that's the difference
snow cypress
No it doesn't, it only gives 15% toughness if someone is 5 meters away from the ...
15% per kill to every ally in 5m
orchid hemlock
And again it does not proc on yourself, so even if you faceplant yourself into a crusher's ass, it will give you 0% value
snow cypress
Idk your teams but at least in my teams everybody keeps more or less near
Near enough to maybe be inside the area of the talent
orchid hemlock
Yes they are near each other, but not necessarily near the targets you are shooting at
snow cypress
Yes they are near each other, but not necessarily near the targets you are shoot...
probably yes
orchid hemlock
No
snow cypress
in hallways and stairs
orchid hemlock
????
granite kestrel
So it’s useless if you’re not in a hallway or stairwell?
snow cypress
So it’s useless if you’re not in a hallway or stairwell?
half of the maps are stairs and hallways
orchid hemlock
So basically you are telling me that when everyone is crushed like sardines together, then it becomes useful?
granite kestrel
At which point, is melee because you’re at/in a choke point .
snow cypress
Most part of the maps are that
orchid hemlock
Ngl I don't think it's a good idea to be near half of the elites in this game
I do not want my team near 20 crushers
I do not want my team near 20 ragers
snow cypress
So basically you are telling me that when everyone is crushed like sardines toge...
when a horde of raggers,crushers,bulwards...come it is useful and in auric is quite common
orchid hemlock
OK so the plasma gun is good at killing primary targets
So why would I waste the precious ammo on a horde?
granite kestrel
If it works for you…then keep slaying my friend
snow cypress
when a horde of raggers,crushers,bulwards...come it is useful and in auric is qu...
that means a horde composed by this thing
orchid hemlock
I don't honestly even know what hypothetical you are generating here
snow cypress
no one
lmao
At least i use plasma to kill horde of elites that are comming and range enemies
For normal hordes I use the axe with the push attack
orchid hemlock
I still don't get it
snow cypress
._.
junior haven
Do you really want to think about it more?
snow cypress
At least for me is not that difficult to understand
orchid hemlock
So basically if every engagement is a perfect scenario of you being able to line up a perfect shot into a bunch of shotgunners, then you get full value of CF?
snow cypress
So basically if every engagement is a perfect scenario of you being able to line...
why shotgunners?
You're not paying attention
orchid hemlock
Well I don't think you can cleave thru crushers or maulers with the plasma gun, that's why I chose shotgunners
snow cypress
Do you really want to think about it more?
I only wanted to share my opinion with some numbers :[
orchid hemlock
Idk I don't even think it would be possible to cleave thru 20 shotgunners
junior haven
I only wanted to share my opinion with some numbers :[
And thats fine, my dude. Play how you want for real. But its gone in circles.
snow cypress
And thats fine, my dude. Play how you want for real. But its gone in circles.
ik,right?
I think i'm not expressing my idea that bad,no?
Or is it me?
junior haven
I wouldn't run it but play how you want.
Actually wait. I do have a support vet build that runs it and I shoot into squads when I see people getting rocked by whatever. Its very niche.
snow cypress
I wouldn't run it but play how you want.
I'm doubtful because it could bee just quite specific,but I said i could understand it and that i agree on that
orchid hemlock
It is a bad idea, because you will not get the value you are creating in your mind
Idk, wasting 2 nodes like that to me is a hard pass 🤷🏻
junior haven
The emperor gave me bullets to kill heretics. I'll shoot into mobs. Whatever.
sinful swallow
Just use glory on plasma
snow cypress
Just use glory on plasma
i'll use it
This talent would just be a complement to increase my toughness generation
snow cypress
Just use glory on plasma
I want it lvl 4
orchid hemlock
This talent would just be a complement to increase my toughness generation
It does not generate toughness on yourself
I swear to christ
junior haven
You're circling it man. Let it go.
snow cypress
It does not generate toughness on yourself
toughness generation is not only to myself clear your eyes
orchid hemlock
You only generate toughness if you kill something near a teammate
That's a very big IF
snow cypress
That's a very big IF
ok man and I'm saying you that you're right
I'm saying you that for 1h
What I don't agree on is about the synergy stuff
snow cypress
I'm doubtful because it could bee just quite specific,but I said i could underst...
If not look at this message
I'm not saying it's perfect
Of course I won't make a perfect or even a good build,however it's just a suggestion to put on
orchid hemlock
The point I was making is that wasting 2 points on CF when there are other nodes that are significantly more consistent
snow cypress
You could also think and I agree on the cost of 2 nodes
snow cypress
Probably it's because we use plasma gun different
orchid hemlock
Sure in a perfect scenerio where your teammates are always near the targets you shoot at, it has value
Unfortunately that very rarely happens
snow cypress
At least in most of my gameplays people stay melee near enemies
and elites
(not gunner and that stuff)
orchid hemlock
It also doesn't happen as often as you think, because even a focus vet probably is meleing most of the time
junior haven
I'm just curious. How many times do y'all think you've repeated points of arguments in the last hour?
snow cypress
I'm just curious. How many times do y'all think you've repeated points of argume...
many
too many
probably more than 8
or 10
hearty panther
i have made no points and am so far the victor
snow cypress
At least for me CF in a mixed ranged/melee build could be at least a decent option
I don't say a good option or the BEST option
junior haven
If you like it and you win thats all that matters at the end of the day.
orchid hemlock
snow cypress
But i just entered in an argument
snow cypress
lol
trim nova
I just got to level 30 what do I do now?
junior needle
It needs a redesign, talents shouldn't encourage you to do bad things
orchid hemlock
I just got to level 30 what do I do now?
The real game begins
Do you like gambling?
junior needle
Hopefully fatshark learned a lesson from crabwalking
austere mica
Day ??? If trying to find Manstopper
trim nova
Do you like gambling?
Let's goooooo!
austere mica
Still unsuccessful
snow cypress
I bought like 25 knifes to have a good knife,not even the best :[
And those are only the ones i upgraded
austere mica
Mine is missing like 20 finesse or something but is still pretty good
snow cypress
I hate crafting
orchid hemlock
Why do you need a knife on Psyker?
Unless you are going insane and doing 3 stamina nodes ☠️
snow cypress
Why do you need a knife on Psyker?
who says i use psyker with knife?
lmao
I use stealth vet
orchid hemlock
Oh mb this is vet chat 😔
snow cypress
lol
trim nova
this is my best gun
orchid hemlock
Well tbh, vet also isn't in hard demand on a knife
snow cypress
and I have thid FUCKING AXE AND I DON'T GET THE DAMM BLESS
late hatch
IDK how many brunts Ive rolled, or how many of my friends have quit the game instead of installing mods to make crafting at least not incredibly painful
snow cypress
IDK how many brunts Ive rolled, or how many of my friends have quit the game ins...
yeah,i hate crafting
They should rework it
late hatch
Getting a godly statline and then getting a brick is one of the worst experiences
orchid hemlock
I don't even know how you fix something this shit
snow cypress
Oh thanks god...i mean FOR THE EMPEROR!!
orchid hemlock
They have released absolutely nothing 😔
snow cypress
i hope they fix it soon
orchid hemlock
No ideas, no leaks, no progression
late hatch
I don't even know how you fix something this shit
Money dump to remove locks. Simple fix.
Lets people trade their grind for incremental improvements, instead of relying on rng
orchid hemlock
Money dump to remove locks. Simple fix.
Bruh just make it so that you can choose your perks and blessings
snow cypress
Is painful to use 3k plasteel to not get your blessing lvl 4
orchid hemlock
All 4 of them
That's it, it then is fixed
You will still need to grind for reblessings, and decent stats on the weapon
late hatch
Bruh just make it so that you can choose your perks and blessings
There is a strong argument that letting people just craft godrolls is not good, as while interminable grind is bad, no grind makes things feel cheap
orchid hemlock
There is a strong argument that letting people just craft godrolls is not good, ...
But most guns in the game are functional without literally no blessings or perks
The difference between "god" and regular is soo slim
Make it so that the skill "expression" is knowing what blessings and perks to add onto your gear
Most people don't know wtf they are doing anyways
late hatch
Yeah but like grinding for rewards is motivating. Having an end game dump that costs like 5k plas and 2k diamantine to get +1 random stat, or similar price to remove a lock lets people work towards the best weapons without just giving them away
snow cypress
But is frustating af
orchid hemlock
Yeah but like grinding for rewards is motivating. Having an end game dump that c...
That's a shit goal and based on gambling, not your skill and commitment as a player
late hatch
I think the blessing system is one of the worst parts of crafting. Either each weapon family should have an experience bar that unlocks higher tier blessings as you rank up, or they should just be level locked. Having to roll dozens of trash weapons to farm blessings is just bad
late hatch
That's a shit goal and based on gambling, not your skill and commitment as a pla...
Your skill and commitment will be directly proportional to your crafting as you earn more rewards on higher diff and by playing more games
orchid hemlock
Smoke gang rise up ✊🏻
orchid hemlock
orchid hemlock
Smoke is tough to love.
snow cypress
Later is a very useful tool to avoid that ass pain enemies called shooters,gunners and shotgunners
astral blade
Smoke is tough to love.
ahhh my man smokes are awesome IF you know how to use them
snow cypress
ahhh my man smokes are awesome IF you know how to use them
yeah
astral blade
who gave the clown permission to speak
orchid hemlock
who gave the clown permission to speak
Gambler, you have a Star Rail banner on your profile, I don't think you should be shit talking
Just sayin
🚶🏻
junior haven
ahhh my man smokes are awesome IF you know how to use them
enlighten me
orchid hemlock
I use smoke to make sure my teammates that never dodged a gunner in their life take 50% less damage
junior haven
I like to think I use them as effectively as I can, but I genuinely wish for a frag over it 50% of the time
orchid hemlock
I think it's useful, taking into account that 99% of the people who play this game are absolute dogwater
junior haven
literally listened to a dude rant about it for the entirety of the assassination end boss today
"you cant see it man its so shit you should change it"
"it makes it harder for everyone its so fucking garbage"
orchid hemlock
Where they a Zealot player?
junior haven
had to mute the dude. no, ogryn
orchid hemlock
Most Ogryn players always have shit takes because they like to unintentionally roleplay them
late hatch
It does have a rather large drawback for precision shooting, but smokes can be very good when a million shooters pop out from every corner and start peppering you
junior haven
im not here to judge people for their character choices thats lame
talking shit for a solid two minutes about how dog shit smokes are is also lame
late hatch
There are some good ogryns, but yeah, lots of them seem to think that acting dumb = RP as ogryn
junior needle
They did make it much harder to deal with gunners last time I played
orchid hemlock
Problem with DT atm is that the majority of players are first timers from a sale, or coming back because of an update.
So they go into my damnation games downing every 10 seconds 😔
junior haven
Is that so bad? Really? Players learning the game? Thats rough.
orchid hemlock
It is when it's in my auric damnation runs
There is no shame lowering the difficulty
junior haven
You must be 
orchid hemlock
Nah, I actually know how to aim 
junior haven
Good for you man.
orchid hemlock
But the thing is, how do they even get by normal runs?
They can't be finishing runs playing like that
junior haven
Couldnt tell you. I dont empathize with your problem.
orchid hemlock
But do they actually enjoy not even playing the game?
They literally are dead more than they are playing
rigid pilot
They enjoy the krieg cosmetics they bought
orchid hemlock
That doesn't sound fun imo 😔
rigid pilot
That's good enough for our friend fatshark
orchid hemlock
Tru
junior haven
I dont lose sweat about other peoples fun.
orchid hemlock
The game does have a very difficult initial curve tho
I can understand why people develop bad habits
Like jumping to dodge a crusher overhead ☠️
Or never blocking
rigid pilot
Dodge and jump tgt is the worst
orchid hemlock
Wait what, I didn't change those hot keys
white minnow
and the default behavior of the keybind is devious (you always jump if your dodge is in cooldown)
orchid hemlock
Is that console?
white minnow
nah M+KB as well
orchid hemlock
and the default behavior of the keybind is devious (you always jump if your dodg...
That never happened to me
I'm confused
white minnow
you prob changed them and didn't remember
orchid hemlock
I'm pretty sure ei didn't change anything movement wise
I only changed the equipment hot keys
I moved marking to my mouse
And alt attack
But that's it
midnight totem
games are just not going well tonight
orchid hemlock
Skulls sale and it's consequences 😔
fleet thicket
I thought bayonet on helbore was a meme
It seems like it's not it actually kills muties so fast
snow cypress
For me it's shift for dodge, space bar to jump
And which one do you use to run?
orchid hemlock
It's nice that new players are joining, but I have a feeling that there is little retention 😔
orchid hemlock
And which one do you use to run?
Shift
white minnow
That never happened to me
snow cypress
So you use shift to run and dodge?
orchid hemlock
Yes
snow cypress
Oh
fleet thicket
Yeah I do too
white minnow
dodge on shift is def the best keybind to have it on
orchid hemlock
Because you can only run forward, and you cannot dodge forward
snow cypress
I unfortunately use default and I jump :[
white minnow
cuz you're going to be dodging all the time and your thumb is free to do whatever
white minnow
another game required me to use my pinky a lot so i was fine with using shift for dodge
orchid hemlock
https://streamable.com/j41rgw
I swear to God I never changed any of those hot keys, it must have been added later
snow cypress
Maybe?
Whoever had the idea of using space bar to jump and dodge and thought it was a good idea should go to hell
orchid hemlock
Tbh u don't jump very often in this game
white minnow
here's default_ingame_input_settings.lua from nov 2022 https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/5726467ccf353eb43568aab87574b4338fc32f84/scripts/settings/input/default_ingame_input_settings.lua
space has always been the default
snow cypress
Yeah
white minnow
it's just the default behavior that's really devious
because it makes you jump if your dodge is in cooldown no matter what
and there's no option to change this
orchid hemlock
But it's soo strange because I honestly don't remember changing that hot key
white minnow
prob just such a natural change that you didn't think much of it
orchid hemlock
Maybe, but I feel like I remember my hot keys well
astral blade
enlighten me
smokes are used against shooters
last parcel
i don't remember every setting change i made
astral blade
simples
junior haven
im not enlightened
orchid hemlock
Yes
last parcel
you are daemonhost daddy
orchid hemlock
😔
astral blade
im not enlightened
ugh ok smokes are used against shooters like i said either forcing the shooters to either reposition or run through the smoke and into melee range
orchid hemlock
OK so smoke grenades are useful when you want to BLAZE it
snow cypress
The problem is that smoke doesn't hide you from snipers
orchid hemlock
astral blade
dont listen to the clown they do
snow cypress
Do they?
last parcel
why would you want us to ignore you
radiant chasm
The problem is that smoke doesn't hide you from snipers
Snipers got the lasers and special goggles
last parcel
😔
snow cypress
I thought they didn't?
snow cypress
Snipers got the lasers and special goggles
So was I right?
orchid hemlock
I have this brilliant idea on how to deal with snipers
How about
Just
Dodge them?
🧠
snow cypress
People don't dodge
radiant chasm
Yea snipers ignore smoke idk what y’all smoking if you see the red line on you, you should dodge regardless
Heh what yall smoking
snow cypress
Lol
somber axle
dont listen to the clown they do
But I didn't say anything
orchid hemlock
People jsut panic because they see the laser and fold like a paper
last parcel
we could hear the squeaking
radiant chasm
But snipers are meant to, they ignore vent purge and lights out on purpose because they have the sniper gear for it
last parcel
honk honk
radiant chasm
They seeing you in different wavelengths
astral blade
But I didn't say anything
not you sneaky i'm talking about that golden idiot
snow cypress
But I didn't say anything
Hiiiii sneaky
orchid hemlock
not you sneaky i'm talking about that golden idiot
Gambler we are all idiots for plying Darktide this far
😔
radiant chasm
not you sneaky i'm talking about that golden idiot
But golden was right in that case stop being a pissbaby
fleet thicket
Did they buff how fast you run with bayonet with helbore btw ?
snow cypress
not you sneaky i'm talking about that golden idiot
Oh tanks
fleet thicket
Why is this gun so fast now xD
It use to be one of the least mobile guns in the game now you can zoom across the map with it
radiant chasm
Did they buff how fast you run with bayonet with helbore btw ?
Maybe depending the last time you used it, they did buff the bayonet related stuff a lot
fleet thicket
I see thx
somber axle
fleet thicket
You zoom zoom
snow cypress
fleet thicket
Like legit I was out running a knife guy before I ran out of stamina xD
snow cypress
Lmao
somber axle
The true clown way to counter a sniper is to look them in the eyes and let them shoot you just so you can see their despair when your toughness eats the whole sniper shot
radiant chasm
I miss old rambo vet
fleet thicket
The true clown way to counter a sniper is to look them in the eyes and let them ...
Wrong
snow cypress
Like legit I was out running a knife guy before I ran out of stamina xD
Those are tough words
radiant chasm
That was literally what you did
radiant chasm
75% dr from ult always active and ck giving you 25+ 25 overtime stacking toughness
fleet thicket
I'll catch the sniper shot in my teeth
You pick a bully club you eat the hit through your hp then slap him
To death
tall torrent
The problem is that smoke doesn't hide you from snipers
been patched
somber axle
Or just stack so much TDR that snipers can't hurt you anymore
snow cypress
been patched
Oh
somber axle
You pick a bully club you eat the hit through your hp then slap him
Knife punch to death
radiant chasm
Ehh tdr curios do have diminishing returns
fleet thicket
Knife punch to death
That too
radiant chasm
One sniper is the most impactful
fleet thicket
But slapping feels more satisfying
somber axle
Ehh tdr curios do have diminishing returns
Close Order Drill, Iron Will, Sniper Resist, Toughness Curios, both +25 toughness nodes
snow cypress
Sheeeeesh
snow cypress
I don't use bayonet because my aim sucks
fleet thicket
I mean
snow cypress
But it's really strong
fleet thicket
You just get use to it man
Just have to use it you automatically build the muscle memory
snow cypress
And when I use a range weapon always the fatty orgy gets in the middle -_-
tall torrent
And when I use a range weapon always the fatty orgy gets in the middle -_-
Helbore has enough cleave to go through teammates
fleet thicket
And when I use a range weapon always the fatty orgy gets in the middle -_-
As a ogryn main
I say that's just Part of life
sturdy zephyr
And when I use a range weapon always the fatty orgy gets in the middle -_-
Big bad ogryn
fleet thicket
Plus ogryn with point blank barage will out damage any vet gun xD
Don't worry things are dying
snow cypress
Helbore has enough cleave to go through teammates
Maybe Helbore could but the rest except some not
tall torrent
It’s just bad design
astral blade
But golden was right in that case stop being a pissbaby
ahhh cunt maybe shut the fuck up and watch
you will see i was right 🙂
snow cypress
That's why I hate ogryns when I play vet
fleet thicket
That Parrt i agree at least in vermintide friendly shot also damaged your team
Now why does it even exists
snow cypress
Just imagine if there was friendly damage omg all my ally ogryns would be more dead than the emperor
tall torrent
But snipers are meant to, they ignore vent purge and lights out on purpose becau...
Snipers don’t go through smoke anymore
fleet thicket
smokes do force snipers to stop targeting you
I'm so happy about that change
tall torrent
Been patched for a while
fleet thicket
Finally they got some use
somber axle
That's why I hate ogryns when I play vet
Plasma, Revolver, Agripina Shotgun Slug and Helbores can all shoot through friendly players
astral blade
or get clowned on
fleet thicket
But still the only thing that gives bad rept to smoke is
The players who smoke their own goddam team
somber axle
I like using focus target to ping targets so I can see the outline even behind poxwalkers/friendly players and keep firing until the target goes down
fleet thicket
Like holy hell man that thing staggers gunners smoke the enemy !
snow cypress
Plasma, Revolver, Agripina Shotgun Slug and Helbores can all shoot through frien...
4 weapon of 30?
fleet thicket
Amount of time I have eaten a ninja overhead from s crusher cuz of a bad smoke...
tall torrent
The players who smoke their own goddam team
He’s using it correctly, unironically
snow cypress
Ik it would be more but you understand me
tall torrent
You’re usually meant to drop smoke on ur own position
astral blade
Like holy hell man that thing staggers gunners smoke the enemy !
correct they do so like i was saying earlier golden is a clown and the idiot wasn't right about smokes
tall torrent
It’s basically Psyker’s bubble shield but different flavour
astral blade
actually listen to a infiltrate vet WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK HE TALKING ABOUT
fleet thicket
Please don't do that
snow cypress
Man shut you mouth
fleet thicket
The smoke I'm telling you is like a wall
tall torrent
Throwing smoke on gunners already firing at u does effectively nothing
They’ll get staggered for a very brief moment then continue firing at u (tracking u) no problem
fleet thicket
Enemy will get staggered then they have to run to you to see you again
If you smoke your own team you could get them killed
fleet thicket
actually listen to a infiltrate vet WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK HE TALKING ABOUT
What do you run btw ?
I run either rashad axe or chainaxe with aggrpinia infintry autogun
Whatever I feel like at that time xD
astral blade
What do you run btw ?
depends on what build the team needs
snow cypress
actually listen to a infiltrate vet WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK HE TALKING ABOUT
And about not knowing that I know nothing...your brain dropped 🧠
tall torrent
Enemy will get staggered then they have to run to you to see you again
Watch then decide for urself
somber axle
4 weapon of 30?
There are three variants of Helbore and all can cleave. There are other guns with some cleave value like Recon Mk VIIa, Agripina Infantry Autogun and Agripina Braced Autogun though I'm unsure if those have enough cleave to shoot through a friendly player
tall torrent
The stagger window is so short it basically doesn’t matter
somber axle
But Revolver, Plasma, all three Helbores and Agripina Slugs can for sure
snow cypress
There are three variants of Helbore and all can cleave. There are other guns wit...
I said in the next message ik they were more because Helbore is a kind of weapon
tall torrent
4 weapon of 30?
Anything with >2 cleave can go through teammates
tall torrent
Why aren't they getting staggered ?
This is how smokes work
fleet thicket
That's clearly a bug that's meant to suppress range enemies
tall torrent
I just so happened to be one of the few people who check how things work
Cuz I do the veteran guide
U can try to do a smoke wall
fleet thicket
It use to stagger
tame lodge
My theory is that they changed that behavior when they made gunners/reapers stop shooting
fleet thicket
Did they remove that ?
tall torrent
tall torrent
Did they remove that ?
If they’re already firing, they have enough stagger resist to not care about smoke’s “mild stagger”
astral blade
Throwing smoke on gunners already firing at u does effectively nothing
They’ll g...
this is proof gunners stop shoting
fleet thicket
Oh I see what you mean
tall torrent
this is proof gunners stop shoting
This is not “smoke on gunner”
This is smoke’s concealment effect
Check bottom left status bar
somber axle
Anything with >2 cleave can go through teammates
Do you have a list of weapons with enough cleave to shoot through team mates on the 2.0 guide? 
tall torrent
Concealment is what stops enemies from shooting at u
tall torrent
Do you have a list of weapons with enough cleave to shoot through team mates on ...
Yes
somber axle
NICE
snow cypress
Oh nice
somber axle
I'm really curious about what all made it into the list
astral blade
Concealment is what stops enemies from shooting at u
i know this
i was just showing that gunners will stop shooting
tall torrent
Helbore 1, 2, 3
Recon 7a
Agripinaa 8 braced autogun
Agripinaa 1 infantry autogun
Plasma
Boltgun
Zarona revolver
Agripinaa shotgun (slug)
Lawbringer shotgun (spread shot)
Kantrael shotgun (fire shot)
astral blade
Oksy don't smoke your team smoke yourself
this was just a demo it was lol
tall torrent
i was just showing that gunners will stop shooting
If you’re concealed yes
If you’re not concealed and you drop a smoke on them directly, it’s not going to work
snow cypress
Helbore 1, 2, 3
Recon 7a
Agripinaa 8 braced autogun
Agripinaa 1 infantry autogun...
Zarona too?!?!
I thought it couldn't pass through allies
last parcel
I thought it couldn't pass through allies
that's the agripina revolver
tall torrent
I thought it couldn't pass through allies
That’s the other revolver
somber axle
Helbore 1, 2, 3
Recon 7a
Agripinaa 8 braced autogun
Agripinaa 1 infantry autogun...
I had no idea the Lawbringer Shotgun had enough cleave by default to pass through allies that's really good to know
tall torrent
I had no idea the Lawbringer Shotgun had enough cleave by default to pass throug...
No, only the spread shot
4.5 cleave
snow cypress
that's the agripina revolver
I'm confused
tall torrent
I'm confused
Zarona (ADS)
Agripinaa (braced, fan fire)
astral blade
If you’re concealed yes
If you’re not concealed and you drop a smoke on them di...
you aint wrong there
tall torrent
you aint wrong there
Well yea ik I check stuff before I put into guide
astral blade
aint smokes supposed to stagger those?
snow cypress
Zarona (ADS)
Agripinaa (braced, fan fire)
Oh,as it says in the list Zarona I got confused
fleet thicket
It does... but apprently when you firing
I mean when they are firing they got shit ton of stagger resistance
somber axle
No, only the spread shot
Sorry for the wording but yeah that's what I mean. The special shot but not the standard shot. I should be free to shoot through Shieldgryns and clear hordes now
astral blade
It does... but apprently when you firing
thats something that fat shark needs to fix
somber axle
I have been enjoying Lawbringer Shotgun with the battle pass armour
astral blade
But golden was right in that case stop being a pissbaby
hey get a load of this clown
tall torrent
aint smokes supposed to stagger those?
It staggers regular shooters (shooters & stalkers) but gunners have always been be more or less unaffected by smoke’s stagger
astral blade
It staggers regular shooters (shooters & stalkers) but gunners have always been ...
ok got it
tall torrent
hey get a load of this clown
No need to clown on people here, smoke is generally misunderstood
fleet thicket
You know one gun that so dum ? Freaking mkIV lasgun
Why does this thing got so much ammo xD
somber axle
You know one gun that so dum ? Freaking mkIV lasgun
The shoot forever gun
tame lodge
Sorry for the wording but yeah that's what I mean. The special shot but not the ...
Lawbringer spread shot impact, my beloved
astral blade
No need to clown on people here, smoke is generally misunderstood
i mean some people deserve to be clowned on
snow cypress
Lol bro tells that to a person who started to play seriously this game not even 6 months ago
fleet thicket
The shoot forever gun
With deadly accurate and headhunter also IT HITS LIKE A TRUCK !
snow cypress
I think you should control your ego my friend
fleet thicket
Smoke was confusing I didn't know how concealment works
tall torrent
i mean some people deserve to be clowned on
He’s been cool tho, helped me with some stuff I didn’t know
fleet thicket
But thanks now I know
tall torrent
Smoke was confusing I didn't know how concealment works
Lemme send the actual stuff I have in guide
tall torrent
fleet thicket
I will smoke myself though thing is my character is faster than my team anyway
somber axle
With deadly accurate and headhunter also IT HITS LIKE A TRUCK !
I like using it with Shock Trooper, Survivalist and Marksman's Focus because I am a clown who doesn't like thinking about ammo ever
snow cypress
It's funny how people's ego shows up and don't remember that they probably were like that,not knowing everything
last parcel
throws smoke at daemonhost
somber axle
Exe Stance and MF stacks let it 1HKO Dreg Gunners
astral blade
Still won't smoke my own team just cuz I hate how much flaming I got from that
personally i throw smokes infront of my team incase we need to make a push or something
spring spindle
I love how as much as other Veteran fashion is cool and all. The Krieg set just slaps by itself
Krieg armor is cool
fleet thicket
I like using it with Shock Trooper, Survivalist and Marksman's Focus because I a...
I run it with sharpshooter xD
It's such a pew pew pew gun
tall torrent
Basically u want to use smoke how you’d use Psyker’s bubble shield
snow cypress
I found quite difficult to get info about smoke when I started using it
somber axle
I have had a lot of fun lately doing Infiltrate and Low Profile with a Mk II Helbore to just stand in place and put shots out freely
fleet thicket
I think smoke is more of single person thing than other two grenades
Like if you got the movement speech aura
You be ahead of your team anyway
somber axle
I had a lot of fun finishing out my last penances to earn the outfit just relaxing and shooting
tame lodge
*throws smoke at daemonhost*
fleet thicket
Btw you guys run chainaxe with your vet ?
tall torrent
Btw you guys run chainaxe with your vet ?
Chainaxe is a very niche tool for vet
fleet thicket
I love the new one with shock trooper
astral blade
Btw you guys run chainaxe with your vet ?
nahh boss chainsword all day
fleet thicket
Chainaxe is a very niche tool for vet
The new one feels like a normal combat axe
somber axle
Btw you guys run chainaxe with your vet ?
Sometimes yeah but I always take Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist to increase the melee attack speed. It feels too sluggish without those imo
snow cypress
Btw you guys run chainaxe with your vet ?
I don't like it because I find it quite slow to use against amour
But is as I see it
tall torrent
The new one feels like a normal combat axe
Except combat axe kills almost every elite more reliably and horde clears like 2.5x as fast, without having low dodge
somber axle
I have a boss killer build that uses Chainaxe XII to demolish bosses
snow cypress
I have a boss killer build that uses Chainaxe XII to demolish bosses
Oh,send it
junior haven
I like to think I aim to do these things. Smoke to advance, break line of sight towards objectives, displace gunners. Honestly. 841 hours and a vast majority of it has been vet. I practice a little bit.
It can work I just dont think it works as well as the other frags. Doesn't feel like it works enough to me.
fleet thicket
Except combat axe kills almost every elite more reliably and horde clears like 2...
That's true
Still I love how much single Target damage it does though
snow cypress
I like to think I aim to do these things. Smoke to advance, break line of sight ...
841?!? Damm it
tall torrent
Basically u take chainaxe because ur missing carapace dmg on a sharpshooter build and you don’t want a shovel because shovel sucks vs unyielding
somber axle
Oh,send it
I can't. I am not home right now. I'm out at a seafood buffet celebrating father's day early with my dad and the rest of my family since this is the only day this week we can get everyone off work at once
junior haven
Ive played since beta man.
somber axle
But when I get home sure
tall torrent
It doesn’t have very good finesse scaling for melee vet build
snow cypress
I can't. I am not home right now. I'm out at a seafood buffet celebrating father...
Don't worry :]
Send it when you're able
snow cypress
Ive played since beta man.
Oh shit
tall torrent
Still I love how much single Target damage it does though
In a vacuum yes
But in a big horde fight locking urself into rev atk is pretty unsafe
last parcel
I can't. I am not home right now. I'm out at a seafood buffet celebrating father...
imagine spending time with loved ones
junior haven
And if a bubble psyker is in group I dont feel like I really need it at all unless im out of coherency.
snow cypress
221h and I'm as noob as the beginning lmao
somber axle
imagine spending time with loved ones
It takes a circus to raise a clown, and a clown must perform for the circus when called
tall torrent
Like, one of chainaxe’s strongest points is its ability to 1 shot crushers
tall torrent
Like, one of chainaxe’s strongest points is its ability to 1 shot crushers
But in a 1v6 crusher melee only situation, having to dodge cancel rev H1 on mk12 chainaxe just so u don’t get 1 tap overheaded is brutal and really drops the kill efficiency
rigid pilot
You can still get away with rev if your good
tall torrent
You can still get away with rev if your good <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
It’s just very risky that’s all
I heard mk4 can just light spam so it’s not as big of a problem
rigid pilot
But vs anything else than crushers the Heavy itself does sick damage
You don't need to rev for ragers or gunners
Nice and clean
The push attack is also really good for sniping heads
junior needle
mk4 chainaxe can light spam vs single targets for fairly good single target, but it's probably slower on carapace without thunderous
Also its lights have no cleave whatsoever so
tall torrent
Also its lights have no cleave whatsoever so
Vs crushers almost nothing has cleave so that’s not rly a big minus
junior needle
True, but just putting it out there for those who don't know
You sadly can't just light spam for everything with it
If it could shred groups I'd love it
silver vigil
any news on when we are getting the new cosmetics?
last parcel
it's sacha baron cohen in a sling bikini
tall torrent
No leaks on what we're getting?
well it's because no update yet and the cosmetics come with the update
coral willow
_Could be something very wild_
wwell we need a hotfix for that
imagine if its just fucking anime
i'd cry
snow cypress
Lol
tame lodge
Cat jumpscare
coral willow
why does assail target barrels even
somber axle
midnight totem
Swap back to vet, win
last parcel
always trust a veteran to make it rain body parts
midnight totem
I probably need to work on my ogryn. I had been doing a few games with him and none of them panned out
sage token
I probably need to work on my ogryn. I had been doing a few games with him and n...
luv me ogryns
close save on the zealot
last parcel
plenty of time
sage token
i realized after they had that perk, but still
late hatch
luv me ogryns
You should try the push attack with the ps
snow cypress
You should try the push attack with the ps
oh yeah,really good
really nice single target
coral willow
FINALYYYYYYY,from a mission reward lmao
and blaze away too
if the termal resis wasnt that bad i'd say it would be usable
snow cypress
if the termal resis wasnt that bad i'd say it would be usable
yeah
I want get hot and Gloryhunter
That was what someone recommended me
coral willow
I want get hot and Gloryhunter
i like blaze away more
though after the nerf
its kinda eh
snow cypress
It's for toughness
snow cypress
Toughness build
coral willow
gethot relies on crits
coral willow
100 108 116 124 132 140 140 140 damage if you have over 68 thermal resis, and if you fire from 0 heat and spam the lclick
snow cypress
then do you recommned Gloryhunter + Blaze?
snow cypress
oh I understand
snow cypress
lucky ass
coral willow
cause i havent got both gloryhunter 4/gethot 4
base damage increase from blaze is great
if you can deal with the ammo economy
you need to spam to get its benefit unlike get hot that just relies on crits
coral willow
vivid silo
then do you recommned Gloryhunter + Blaze?
It depends on whether you are spamming from 0-100 and manually venting, or quickswapping (mainly). Gets hot is best if you are mainly only shooting a few shots and relying more on your melee weapon for example.
vivid silo
Then they are likely pretty even in effect.
agile forge
Tbh you can't play ranged purist anyway unless you have like a helbore
Or a psyker staff
(And helbore does it by stabbing them with your gun)
vivid silo
Huh, I see people doing 80-90% of their damage as ranged damage pretty often in T5 aurics.
midnight totem
wow
coral willow
Huh, I see people doing 80-90% of their damage as ranged damage pretty often in ...
on vet
midnight totem
this week's slop is lazy even for fatshark
coral willow
or zealot
coral willow
this week's slop is lazy even for fatshark
took an day to
get
the stuff they already sold
back on
like
midnight totem
guess my review stays up
hexed cliff
this week's slop is lazy even for fatshark
yeah pretty dogshit
frank ether
this week's slop is lazy even for fatshark
give it a few days for someone to buy it and make a driptide post on reddit
vivid silo
on vet
Yes, I do see both Vets, Zealots, Gunpsykers and Ogryns doing the vast majority of their damage with ranged weapons.
vivid silo
Not everyone though, and they arent the majority. But it is definitely possible
Especially considering the state of power creep the game has suffered from, sadly.
woeful ibex
ah right, when do we get the datamine Scion
agile forge
and even then I have to take the power sword out sometimes
woeful ibex
All Black Uniform
astral blade
Ya know something I do love it when a team is who knows how to work together gets the job done and with randoms that’s rare
And I just had one of those rare encounters
woeful ibex
Ya know something I do love it when a team is who knows how to work together get...
Yeah
radiant chasm
ahhh cunt maybe shut the fuck up and watch
You still a piss baby @‘ing me twice while i was sleeping
Grow up k, I didn’t see that change, u right, i’m wrong
Poppin emotes ain’t helping ya maturity case
sinful swallow
ah right, when do we get the datamine Scion
Never
You're supposed to keep playing forever knowing it may one day come
coral willow
Grow up k, I didn’t see that change, u right, i’m wrong
sniper shots?
apprantly it was broken after they'd said that "it should block sniper fire now"
now it actually works
vernal sundial
Whoever had the idea of using space bar to jump and dodge and thought it was a g...
this is a super late response but i have sprint and dodge set to space, because my thumb is way more reliable/stronger than my pinky finger, and since i got sore after holding sprint for so long
then i have jump set to shift
hexed cliff
Use mouse buttons for dodge
vernal sundial
i also have slide and special attack bound to mouse, since smol hands make it uncomfortable to reach ctrl and it’s easier
snow cypress
Use mouse buttons for dodge
I alredy use use to change weapons and use blitz
vernal sundial
jump set to shift?!?
had it on alt before but realized my pinky wasn’t doing anything so i set it to shift
hexed cliff
I alredy use use to change weapons and use blitz
oh yeah depends how many ur mouse has I guess
snow cypress
oh yeah depends how many ur mouse has I guess
I have 3
vernal sundial
i have change weapons set to q
snow cypress
i have q to special attack
vernal sundial
q as ping is uber weird
snow cypress
so i use the punch form knife with the q
snow cypress
q as ping is uber weird
to ping I use the mouse wheel button
vernal sundial
yep me too
dreamy spade
...
serene bough
i wish i had it recorded but once we got 3 people collateralled in a game by a sniper
all 3 of us died it was crazy
tame lodge
Closest thing I have recorded is a Crusher downing all 4 of us, doesn't feel the same though
sleek garden
Once I got sniped through an ogryn grounded shield
Felt cheap
Sniper shots blocked by the shield don't hurt the ogryn but still go straight through
iron marten
balmy flume
rare bough
Dickpunch! 
🤜
faint beacon
It makes it better cause it dies to 7 damage lmao
tiny summit
Interesting name
brave verge
came back after a long time, using Infiltrate and combat blade 4 for the first time. What's the desired perk on this, Uncanny?
tall torrent
came back after a long time, using Infiltrate and combat blade 4 for the first t...
For mk6 knife
Uncanny + mercy/executor/riposte
Carapace/elite/flak/stamina
remote gale
Thoughts on knife Vet? Melk came through with this today
tall torrent
Thoughts on knife Vet? Melk came through with this today
Don’t play lacerate
Knife vet is good tho
last parcel
lacerate is only good for korean
last parcel
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029
I'm a lacerate connoisseur on my Zealot
😎
junior needle
It's even worse of a choice on zealot 
With precog being bugged with duellist and having the best possible flesh tearer usage
tame lodge
Bleed addicts be like
"I can stop anytime I want"
Picks scourge
dreamy spade
Russian guy griefing and just waiting until teammates die and laughs
How sad do you have to be
tall torrent
With precog being bugged with duellist and having the best possible flesh tearer...
It’s not a bug, finesse, weakspot and Crit are additive bonuses
It’s how u get to absurd precog + duellist Dmg profiles
Asked kuli abt that a while ago
(No uncanny)
junior needle
It’s not a bug, finesse, weakspot and Crit are additive bonuses
Explain why you lie to Joe Ogryn before
tall torrent
Explain why you lie to Joe Ogryn before
That’s exactly what the ss I sent above says?
And yea I asked kuli, he said that duellist functionally is very similar to what +50% finesse would be like
tall torrent
No, finesse, weakspot and crit go into same additive
It’s weird
FS arcane mathematics
The only +dmg bonus I remember being weirdly multiplicative is “Close DMG”
Stuff like zealot’s anoint in blood, veteran’s longshot & CQKZ
+Close DMG is separate multiplicative bonus from +dmg
Don’t think abt it too hard, I didn’t
I just cared abt what breakpoints which weapons can normally reach
junior needle
tall torrent
If I had to deal with FS’s warp travel grade mathematics I think I’d give myself an aneurysm
earnest sand
Is veteran newbie friendly?
junior needle
It's the call of duty man class
And has overshout, which is a constant stupidity buffer for you and your team provided you remember to press it
So decently so
junior needle
Yes, melee is an integral part of the game
Every class has to melee, some more than others
Use your gun to clear shooters/elites/specials
earnest sand
It's the call of duty man class
Yeah but can he do high difficulty?
junior needle
Use your melee for the melee chaffe enemies
radiant chasm
Yeah but can he do high difficulty?
hell yea
junior needle
All the classes can do the hardest content
radiant chasm
everyone does high diff there ain't no class that weak rn
junior needle
Vet is quite valuable for surv and overshout alone
earnest sand
I feel weak as ogryn
supple stag
Ogryn is stupidly durable
earnest sand
Every ranged enemy in the game: no
junior needle
Ogryn is big and clumsy but can get a lot of DR
supple stag
Gunner dmg reduction curios:
junior needle
Well, gunner only affects the gunner elites and reapers
But it's still a good take
earnest sand
I got the firing squad treatment walking into a room on diff 3 as ogryn
junior needle
Diff 3 is the ez part
supple stag
Diff 3 is a snoozer
junior needle
But you will be squishier early on without good curios
And access to more DR talents
Keep in mind, you can't just go charging alone into packs
You should be able to rely on your team to handle shooters as an ogryn while you cleanup the melee stuff
Should
somber axle
Yeah but can he do high difficulty?
Yes. I'm a clown. I've run literally the worst weapons through Auric Damnation difficulty. I've run Shredder Autopistol. I've run Recon Mk II. I main the Recon Mk VId. Veteran is a very strong, versatile class that can be played any difficulty with any loadout. Just be careful about ranged focused builds on no ammo maelstrom with bad ammo economy because that's an extra hard mode on top of hard mode LOL
grand perch
@tall torrent did you post the newer guide version somewhere yet
last parcel
<@366562874039992331> did you post the newer guide version somewhere yet
in the balls
grand perch
excellent
somber axle
If you're not a clown you can use normal weapons and be better than me LOL
junior needle
Sneaky plays an extremely glass cannon build with no survivability because of masochist tendencies
somber axle
Yes
earnest sand
You should be able to rely on your team to handle shooters as an ogryn while you...
Even melee fodder enemies are too tough
supple stag
🤨
earnest sand
One human sized guy took 4 heavy hits from an ogryn to die
junior needle
Was it a power maul
last parcel
paul gaming
earnest sand
Just army guy 675
junior needle
No the ogryn weapon
Were you using a power maul
Because the og one is notoriously dogshit
earnest sand
No
junior needle
But yeah if you're leveling you're using low stat weapons without good perks/blessings
earnest sand
It was a metal bat
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> did you post the newer guide version somewhere yet
Not yet, I can send u a link to it tho
Has 3 sections unfinished
junior needle
It was a metal bat
Take a screenshot and post it
tall torrent
Is veteran newbie friendly?
No
junior needle
Leveling it at the start blows
But strictly speaking it's not that hard to play, unless you want to use pswords as a scroob
earnest sand
Are chain swords good?
junior needle
They have surprisingly very good clear times on chaffe
Only thing they're bad at is carapace
grand perch
Not yet, I can send u a link to it tho
i'd appreciate it
tall torrent
i'd appreciate it
Ok dm
midnight totem
Are chain swords good?
Very reliable weapons
supple stag
They're okay, not a fan of chainswords myself
frank ether
Are chain swords good?
they are ok, I'm not a fan of them but if you want a melee option thats somewhat carapace capable they can fill in gaps in your loadout
supple stag
Carapace is an agony with chainswords
frank ether
they're better at it than something like a devil claw
they're also less garbage vs flak compared to claws I think
then why do I prefer claws? because they have really good easy to use movesets
sinful swallow
Holy shit I love whiplash memes
native cave
Quick questioon
i wanted to earn a blessing on my weapon
i had to turn it in, now its gone
thin stone
Yes
native cave
how do i get it back with blessing?
thin stone
You don't
native cave
?
thin stone
Get a new weapon
junior needle
You have to scrap the weapon to store the blessing
vivid silo
You now have the blessing (with tier) in your library and can put it on other weapons (of similar type)
thin stone
Yes
native cave
OHHHH
i get it
Ok, another question. Sorry
Now i got a chainsword, upgraded it to purple
how do i get a blessing on it now? the one i just got from turning the old one in?
junior needle
To get the second slot, you'd upgrade to gold
Or you could craft the blessing as is, but that isn't recommended
native cave
Ohhh i see. The blessing are "locked" untill i earn the exact blessing by turning it in. If i get a new weapon with that blessing, it activates?
junior needle
You can't craft the blessing unless you scrap a weapon for it, yes
But anything on a weapon will work as is
native cave
Ok. Example:
The new chainsword got "75 cleave on a crit" - could i change it to another blessing?
junior needle
Yes, but you only get two changes currently
So you have to weigh your options
After the two changes, the unchanged slots lock
junior needle
What variant is this?
native cave
wdym variant?
junior needle
There's different kinds of variants of the same family line
There's two chainswords currently
13g and mk4
native cave
13g
junior needle
The particulars of each weapon is different
The 13g NEEDS wrath, due to being a light spammer
This is because light attacks have lower cleave values than heavy attacks (generally)
native cave
where can i check what blessing i have? so i can check if ihave wrath=
can you come voice real quick maybe? :
😄
junior needle
You can check it in at hadron wherever it lets you change the blessing
Cannot at the moment
native cave
:((
junior needle
There's a pdf guide in the pins with pretty good info on what you generally want on each weapon
At least as far as vet is concerned
It's currently being updated
native cave
im pretty new, just hit lvl 28 and got a solid setup i think. But i never checked crfting and refining and all that really
junior needle
You shouldn't really until you hit 30
native cave
Oh okay
junior needle
As the base modifiers for weapons in the shops scale with your level
So for example, you could get 250-330 at 24 or something
And then you'll get 300-380 at 30
junior needle
Yes
native cave
fk i wasted all my diamantin i think haha
junior needle
Rip blessings off emperors gifts, they're usually poorly rolled
junior needle
diamantine usually has a massive excess if you play higher difficulties
You'll get it back, plasteel is the larger concern
native cave
i have 2 k plast steel, should i safe it?
i have no fkn clue besides how to play i guess
no idea about crafting, currencies, whatever
from my performance in 5/5 missions, i think i play veteran the right way
checked a guide on skills and talents once, kinda went with it and it works
junior needle
Use the pdf in the pins
A lot of guide content for darktide is outdated or of questionable value
Especially random builds from gameslantern and youtube stuff
gilded rock
Especially random builds from gameslantern and youtube stuff
Especially YouTube stuff
somber axle
ok spicy take time
after spending a lot of dockets and plasteel to get a passable rashad mk II
I think it's overrated
the swing speed is pretty slow
killing 4 targets per swing is neat but it feels sluggish
I prefer the tac axe
somber axle
LOL
yeah idk it's fun but it's too slow for me
Tac Axe has the speed I love
2 million dockets to get a weapon that can kinda do everything but does it worse than other weapons
not S tier in anything
A tier in everything
but that just ends up making it boring to use for me
oblique totem
Bet you can't make it viable
somber axle
I used it with trench fighter drill and weapon specialist to up the melee attack speed and still felt like a slug
somber axle
Bet you can't make it viable
do you mean the tac axe? it's already viable
tame lodge
Understandable, although I'm not going to support tac axe any time soon
somber axle
I run it sometimes in aurics and love the swing speed
somber axle
Rashad Mk II Combat Axe is arguably one of the best melees in the Vet arsenal
I just find it too slow
and boring
fiery wave
Rashad is great
tame lodge
FS should make Decapitator meta
dreamy spade
Well u can speed it up
somber axle
yeah I already did
dreamy spade
The only problem with rashad 2 is it is hard to take out muties