in the balls
#veteran-class
last parcel
somber axle
oblique totem
Way too efficient to be Fat shark
sturdy zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/andersomviolao-gif-12381443319241980618
Fits very well.
last parcel
oblique totem
Is the banana for scale or is it the suggestion?
last parcel
yes
oblique totem
Alrighty then
somber axle
Tbh I'd probably just make it a toggle for grims separate to turning off one modifier of choice. So someone can choose whether or not they want to be dropped into grimoire missions or not, and then be able to pick one mission modifier they want to remove from the pool
Turning off too many modifiers in quickplay would probably make someone accidentally blacklist all available missions and then sit in quickplay for an hour wondering why the queues are so long suddenly LMFAO
Waiting until a map rotates out and puts a mission that they're willing to play in
late hatch
I would legit kill for a simple lobby browser like VT2 has
Nope, you just have to randomly queue difficulties
Whoever made that decision at fat shark should be sent back to preschool
coral willow
juat make grims give 2x plasteel/diamantine
somber axle
Idk how the Vermintide mission browser is because it's been forever since I played it but like
You can choose what mission you want to play
Sometimes I want to do Lights Out so I specifically queue for that mission
coral willow
You can choose what mission you want to play
not for quickplay, its the same really
blightreaper babyyyyyyyyy
somber axle
Quickplay will drop unfortunate souls into my match
coral willow
problem in vt2 there wasnt a modifier for maps in quickplay
late hatch
You can see how many people are playing what diff and what level. You can choose to join a game or just QP. Which you often needed to choose as if you QP and quit coz there are regards playing in that game, if you requeue it will put you in the exact same game 99/100 times
somber axle
Like if you want to do a High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet you can just check the mission map for one and queue specifically for it
coral willow
Like if you want to do a High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet you can just chec...
rng like deep rock is fine-ish, just that qp gives most plasteel so i assume thats why people queue up that instead
somber axle
I forgor quickplay even gave additional rewards tbh LOL
coral willow
I forgor quickplay even gave additional rewards tbh LOL
decent for what it is, i think its +20% plasteel
so 1k pladteel= +200 more
somber axle
Neat burrito
I usually just brainlessly hit quickplay unless I'm queueing specifically for a Maelstrom or want to do a certain modifier
I do get tired of almost every quickplay dropping me into someone's high intensity hunting grounds
Just dogs all day every day sometimes
late hatch
I hate joining a game and I have <1 wound left
somber axle
I love it tbh
Whole squad down
1 wound
Monstrosity pounding on the last person who went down as I joined
I live for the thrill of rescuing wiped squads
coral willow
until you get mutied
rigid pilot
decent for what it is, i think its +20% plasteel
+10%
somber axle
until you get mutied
Mutie grab into an active bomber fire is a magical time
somber axle
https://tenor.com/view/failure-pre-vizsla-death-watch-gif-21113366
My friends if Fatshark ever adds friendly fire rejoining the game and spending the first match trying to kill me with a barrel
last parcel
the true purpose of the boltpistol
somber axle
Commissar ability to replace Executioner's Stance
coral willow
tide game but respawn like helldivers would be funny
somber axle
Execute downed team mate to give all surviving squad members a powerful long term buff
hexed cliff
Execute downed team mate to give all surviving squad members a powerful long ter...
If they weren’t retreating that execution is against regulations
last parcel
sounds like we got the next victim right here
somber axle
If they weren’t retreating that execution is against regulations
Let me race to execute leavers before they can hit the disconnect button
I'd love to be the one to personally deny someone their cheese LOL
umbral cloud
I'd love to be the one to personally deny someone their cheese LOL
Deny a cheese but enable toxic gameplay… noice
Can’t think of anything worse than my teammate running up to me when I’m downed and just executing me 😭😂😭😂
last parcel
they could just cannibalize you like fallout 76 players
somber axle
Deny a cheese but enable toxic gameplay… noice
there are two vets inside you
Voice of Command revive Vet
Executioner Vet
they're both racing to see who can take care of the downed team mate first
umbral cloud
Imagine you’re actually trying to get ASS without cheesing and on 4/5 you just get executed by a teammate
somber axle
fortunately it's not in game for griefing genuine players
but for anything else...
explosive barrels are ready and waiting
somber axle
thoughs on that build ? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a90b4dc-f331-4...
ranged crit damage is one of the weakest weapon perks in the game so I'd recommend swapping that to flak on the laspistol
slaughterer isn't as useful as sunder or brutal momentum on power sword so you could swap that blessing
rending strikes has niche value on some weapons but unless it's helping you meet a breakpoint on your laspistol I'd recommend dropping rending strikes in favour of getting bring it down instead
catch a breath is also better than get back in the fight for the support/toughness regen you're going for since afaik the regen does apply for born leader
deadshot but no stam curios is a tricky choice but since you're using the slower firing laspistol it miiiight be ok with target down (if you find yourself empty on stam too often I'd recommend swapping out one of the toughness curios for a stam curio and just put +toughness as a perk on the stam curio instead)
otherwise I think it's ok but the lack of precision strikes hurts a bit
I like doing reassuringly accurate on a laspistol too for my own medic build
south mural
thanks for your opinion
somber axle
numbers cat might have more thoughts on it as far as what breakpoints the Mk X Laspistol hits and what talents/perks it needs to hit them
his old guide recommends flak and unarmoured
they're both underlined so they're crucial for important breakpoints but idk which ones
probably dreg gunner for the unarmoured one
Dum Dum probably has more value on the Mk X than Infernus too tbh
I'd take Infernus on a Mk II Laspistol but the close range damage on the Mk X helps it more for the higher damage per shot
somber axle
close range damage is weird and like (explaining this just in case because I only learned about this within the last couple weeks I think) close range damage is calculated by giving max benefit up at any distance up to 8m and then past 8m it slowly loses value up to 30m where the benefit is lost entirely
most engagements are happening within that range so dum dum will more universally help vs infernus which needs to get multiple stacks going before the ticking damage hits a level where it becomes somewhat valuable
coral willow
ah
somber axle
the 2.0 version will be more modern
coral willow
near perfect acatran on zealot
somber axle
yeah that's pretty fantastic tbh
I prefer Infernus over Ghost so that's basically perfect in my eyes
Idk if unarmoured helps on any breakpoints with the Mk II though
coral willow
funny dreg gunner
somber axle
that's true
could help with dreg gunners since Zealot doesn't have the ranged juice that Vet does
coral willow
could help with dreg gunners since Zealot doesn't have the ranged juice that Vet...
25% juice for cqc and unyielding 20% is nice
and momentum still rocks i guess
i have like a 1 gunzealot build and its just using agrapina braced with everything mentioned
somber axle
dumdum is easy to proc as well tbh
yeah it's why Dum Dum is so high priority on weapons
close quarters damage is silly and the tooltip/name is misleading LOL
coral willow
god
i wanna make a funnty
zealot build where i use all pistol weapons on 3 axes
except that i cant really use zarona cause throwy knives
i mean i can still use it it compliments well but it just gets to ehh
time to throw out integrity again
welcome to the jungle gun
probably one of the best gun i have
somber axle
Very nice
clear lantern
but you get 5 builds
coral willow
but you get 5 builds
clear lantern
so why would you spec blades of faith for it then
coral willow
you know how it works right
even with a revolver which has 0 swaptime and basically acts as a piercing throwy knives people still pick blades of faith
combo extension, special killing, elite number control, etc
even outside guns that take 2 millenia to pull out
i get that you'd be better off with something like a fire nade, and yes i'd agree
i just like the versatility the blades give you
clear lantern
I know how it works, I'm 60/60 in zealot; you were the one complaining about it.
coral willow
I know how it works, I'm 60/60 in zealot; you were the one complaining about it.
cool then
im just saying it kinda overlaps with the revolver
so me going on theme and using 3 pistol variants(laspistol, revolver, and autopistol) kinda doesnt work well
clear lantern
then use a grenade
coral willow
then use a grenade
doesnt have the great nodes i want
it has good nodes, just not great ones
clear lantern
then take knives and use them for goons who aren't worth a bullet, like snipers
or scab gunners
shadow dagger
what do i do with this one
coral willow
deathspitter to full bore and idk about perks
slugs oneshot almost any specials
well muties are exception
bronze sedge
umbral garnet
Still is, just gotta get power cycler.
uncut leaf
how long did it take u guys for t4 power cycler
trim hemlock
I wasn’t always looking for it, but it took a couple of attempts at getting T4 blessings for the power swords
Like 4-6, something like that
odd sparrow
how long did it take u guys for t4 power cycler
Before crafting update i did so many swords i have no idea. After the crafting update which made the drop rate way better i got lucky and got it in 2 attempts
sturdy zephyr
I just got it from melk. Hes generous
Sometime
grand perch
Always drink your melk
austere pine
okay i know the roll is stupid but like
what does cleave targets affect?
because this gives me no tangible info
unique orchid
legit read the bottom text there
hearty panther
thats the actual cleave value for mass
austere pine
so in this case it can cleave through HM of 3.66 on lights and 6.6 on heavies
unique orchid
basically more cleave = more bodies hit per swing before your swing gets stopped by hordes of heretic flesh
austere pine
with my ps4 being able to go though 3.6 and 8 without activation respectively
so yes the dclaw is garbage
unique orchid
well hey it's got two cleave perks and decent damage otherwise
austere pine
i got it from big e drop so no real fucks given
unique orchid
it's perhaps not the most amazing CC but it's still serviceable
austere pine
just wanted to know if it's worth it trying out to see if i like dclaw 7
unique orchid
oh def worth giving a go, but most others will be better with hordes
austere pine
because i don't want to base my opinion on a bricked weapon
are non-agri shotguns any good?
i'm starting to like the vibe but want to branch out a bit
unique orchid
they all have their own merit
the fire shotgun is amazing CC, lawbringer is the middle ground between
thick kestrel
yee, the lawbringer's alt shell is... a little odd and niche? it allows the gun to be blasted into hordes around headheight and do a surprising amount of work, but with shotgun ammo being limited as it is that's more of a luxury use.
it is however just really good at chunking down priority targets quickly with it's standard shots.
I think SneakyCat was dabbling around with using the Crit Cleave perk on the lawbringer to do silly things?
austere pine
will never engage in shenanigans bigger than a scab shotgunner cosplay
thick kestrel
^^
thick kestrel
of course a big plus to the shotguns in general is that they work REALLY nicely with the combat specialist node for keeping the melee specialist bonus going
austere pine
yup yup
doing that and it feels so nice to not have to spend 13 years on reloading
thanks to a combo of always prepared and tactical reload
midnight totem
THEN, it would look like them
thick kestrel
revolvers do as well, but then you feel bad about putting revolver shots into pox walkers while a quick switch to a shotgun, blasting something in the face, and then swithing back to the silly attack speed Rashad/Chainsword/Dsword/Powersword you're using just feels delightful.
austere pine
does not feel awful at all
especially if you win the gamble and shoot the mfking gunner inside of the horde
unique orchid
this is why i just use the MG1a inf lasgun with deadshot
i magdump at like shoulder level and usually it works
hearty panther
Interior. Zealot. Alligator.
unique orchid
Btw isn't the Veteran just an Inferior Zealot atm
thick kestrel
I really do like the MG1a lasgun... but I really need to fight the urge to spam fire it, it just does so much more work if you take that extra second to aim... but it just loves spaming those lasbolts.
unique orchid
I really do like the MG1a lasgun... but I really need to fight the urge to spam ...
i aim through the spam kek
midnight totem
Btw isn't the Veteran just an Inferior Zealot atm
Go get your diction corrected by Melk
unique orchid
you's got a lot of nerve to come right in the barracks and calls us hot shit
thin stone
I only play Veteran btw
I just feel like Zealots are overall in a much better position than goofy ahh Veteran
austere pine
cannot be telling us about how vet sucks compared to zealot if you haven't played zealot
thin stone
cannot be telling us about how vet sucks compared to zealot if you haven't playe...
I've watched them in matches, they are just amazing
unique orchid
I just feel like Zealots are overall in a much better position than goofy ahh Ve...
theyre more durable in melee but that isnt anything new
thin stone
theyre more durable in melee but that isnt anything new
True, the Veteran Ranged Damage is nothing to be fucked with
austere pine
and sure zealot has a higher skill ceiling but i swear it's so much better to see a vet join in on a match than it does when a zealot does
unique orchid
yeah, and that's the Vet Thing, we're a balance between Psyker and Zeallie in terms of dps and durability
austere pine
because a zealot is more than half as likely to fuck off on their own because they have an eviscerator ™️ and then you all die
thick kestrel
there certainly feels like there's some crossover between Vet and Zealot more these days than before... but I think there's still enough difference to have them be distinct, Zealots kind of NEED to be in melee 80-90% of the time. the Vet can hang around more in the open and is still the king of priotity target killing.
thin stone
and sure zealot has a higher skill ceiling but i swear it's so much better to se...
A veteran like me who takes care of the team by taking out pesky snipers, trappers, bombers, Gunners, Shotgunners and Flamers?
austere pine
like, no, you're not getting the invulnerability of zealot or the sheer damage of the psyker but you sure as shit get to brain burst with a gun at the cost of a click and no peril
unique orchid
also vets have krak nades and access to both Exe Stance and VoC, we have good abilities to help the team
austere pine
A veteran like me who takes care of the team by taking out pesky snipers, trappe...
absolutely question mark?
thin stone
Because I cannot count how many times I've saved the ass of public teammates
unique orchid
A veteran like me who takes care of the team by taking out pesky snipers, trappe...
that's sort of your role on the team?
austere pine
that's what is the worst for the other classes
thick kestrel
and honestly I find Stealth Vet is a lot more fun than Stealth Zealot... it's more about using the sneaky for positioning compared to the Zealot using it for damage boosts or an alternate closing method.
thin stone
Because I cannot count how many times I've saved the ass of public teammates
A dumbahh zealot rushes into the fray only to get mewed by 7 gunners and I throw a shredder and then gun them down with my Columnus in under 3 seconds
austere pine
zealot and psyker absolutely rip to shreds any monstrosity they come across but a vet doesn't do that unless specifically built into it
unique orchid
A dumbahh zealot rushes into the fray only to get mewed by 7 gunners and I throw...
this is average zeallie behavior
austere pine
but a vet has so many gun perks and a more reliable invis that specialists and elites are very much your thing
vocal cipher
Veteran is my anti-ranged and specials class. Throw in kraks for crushers and you got a solid thing to help the team, plus head go pop make my monke brain happy
midnight totem
On the other hand though, ever seen multiple vets krak grenades a monstrosity at once?
austere pine
get a chain axe (yuck), chain sword or power sword and you also get to deal with carapace
thick kestrel
mhmm, Zealots chew up hordes. Veterans tackle specialists and shooters.
midnight totem
It's the best
thin stone
this is average zeallie behavior
Definitely not the psyker with his electricity hand thing run out in the middle of a hoard with 4 gunners and 3 Flamers on his ass
unique orchid
On the other hand though, ever seen multiple vets krak grenades a monstrosity at...
"Huggy Bomb!"
"Kraking Armor!"
"Grenade out!"
FWEEEEEEEEEE-
austere pine
anybody can destroy hordes
austere pine
"Huggy Bomb!"
"Kraking Armor!"
"Grenade out!"
FWEEEEEEEEEE-
"Sticky surprise! -Oh, that sounds bad..."
thin stone
I see, then I guess I am not the problem in the team, it's the overly zealous zealot who rushes in and gets his ahh kicked
thick kestrel
ogryns guard the teams, Psykers use weird shenanigans to do pretty neat shit to augment the squad.
austere pine
i love "huggy bomb" though
thin stone
I mean I can't expect any better when I play in Central Asia Public Squads
thick kestrel
oh yeah no, "that" Zealot is common as all hell
unique orchid
I mean I can't expect any better when I play in Central Asia Public Squads
man you just sound mad at your teams tbh
midnight totem
Sticky Surprise..! Ugh that sounds bad
thick kestrel
particularly knife zealots... it's always the knife zealots...
unique orchid
particularly knife zealots... it's always the knife zealots...
yeah, without fail
thick kestrel
combat knife and Loner... seeing that at the loading screen always makes you worry ^^
thin stone
man you just sound mad at your teams tbh
I guess, I am so fed up with me covering their asses 7283554 times when they fuck up, one for me to fuck up once as a noob (I've only got 200 hrs in the game in my defense) and the team falls apart like a jenga tower
austere pine
combat knife and Loner... seeing that at the loading screen always makes you wor...
loner with 7 wounds and invisibility
thick kestrel
yarp
unique orchid
my face when i have to play as a team in the team game
thin stone
Just that only silly hugging bomber I missed and I'm done for
thin stone
my face when i have to play as a team in the team game
What
I am not a loner, I use Columnus IAG + Shovel Gang
Imagine having to Charge up Your Sword (This message was brought to you by shovel gang)
austere pine
that was a comment on the loner zealots
unique orchid
that was a comment on the loner zealots
Loner Zealots are Shade Keri mains change my mind
midnight totem
I'm at work, sorry
thick kestrel
and it sucks because when you get a REALLY good zealot? the one's who know their job of diving down gunner nests, intercepting rager packs and generally oblitterating hordes so you can focus on winning the gunfight and taking out trappers/hounds/flamers?
absolutely karking glorious
thin stone
I ABSOLUTELY HATE KNIFE ZEALOTS
austere pine
Loner Zealots are Shade Keri mains change my mind
could not tell you if i tried as i have not played vt2
but it does look the part
not sure how zealot initially attracts the inting edgelords
thin stone
If 100k people hate them? I am one of them.
If 100 people hate them? I am one of them.
If only one person hates them? It's me alone.
If no one hates them? I have died.
unique orchid
Kerillian mains were the edgelords of VT, shade was the edgy high skill-ceiling Keri
thick kestrel
like those ogryns who anchor the whole squad or the psykers who use trauma or voidstrike staves to decimate crusher/mauler patrols in seconds.... every class has those highlight players it's just a joy to run into.
austere pine
how tf does keri go from typical wood elf from like lotr to high elf to dark elf to wood elf
what in the fuck is she
unique orchid
what in the fuck is she
Scottish (Cringe and Bad)
austere pine
okay but what wh fantasy race is she
unique orchid
also she's a wood elf
thick kestrel
Scottish (Cringe and Bad)
austere pine
is there dark elves in fantasy?
unique orchid
https://tenor.com/view/groundskeeper-willie-you-just-made-an-enemy-for-life-the-...
it is mostly she was written in a way that made me hate her
thick kestrel
grumbles in haggis
unique orchid
is there dark elves in fantasy?
yes the Druchii
unique orchid
*grumbles in haggis*
I watched Brave i can appreciate a good female Scot
unique orchid
then why does she become one in the shade class
Elf Shit, i dont care enough to know
midnight totem
Not sure what you dont get
midnight totem
Each job on vt2 is a possible "path" they could have taken
thick kestrel
the Vermintide classes tend to be... alternate backstories? less than just a class it tends to change up the character's history a bit
midnight totem
It's not a race change
thick kestrel
Kruber suddenly being Bretonnian or Bardin having taken the slayer oath at some point
unique orchid
thankfully for most of the other characters it is less confusing
thick kestrel
all the Elves in warhammer fantasy are the same race, it's more cultural differences.
midnight totem
Shade Kerillian is when she dedicated herself to Khaine instead of wood elf goddess
Grail Knight Kruber
unique orchid
Ironbreaker Bardin went hard
midnight totem
Well turns out Kruber's got Bretonian ancestry in him and bath water elf lady dubs him worthy to be a grail knight
Etc, etc
midnight totem
Always has been
The best Keri players can hard carry either ease
The average ones crashed and burned
unique orchid
yes but i hate listening to Keri voicelines
thin stone
It's official, I hate ammo Goblins
vast edge
Keri is a raging hypocrite for a member of a species that prides itself on their wisdom and humility.
midnight totem
You take that back
unique orchid
Keri is a raging hypocrite for a member of a species that prides itself on their...
Average Elf
midnight totem
Keri's VA is awesome
unique orchid
Who is Keri
Kerillian, token elf of Vermintide
midnight totem
Wtf
unique orchid
Keri's VA is awesome
no im hating on the writers not the VA
thin stone
I have not played either of the Vermintide Games
vast edge
Wave of the rat variety.
serene bough
VII it is
slow spade
austere pine
was anyone gonna tell me about the immense fucking damage the kanty deals per shot or was i supposed to find out on my own?
hearty panther
its mostly a lie
radiant chasm
no im hating on the writers not the VA
Kerillian is well written
austere pine
it is not a lie whatsoever
maybe dps wise it's not true anymore but if you don't want to spam to deal with specialists this is great
radiant chasm
Kanty has wide choke
austere pine
now to make a scab captain cosplay
radiant chasm
Unless you are point blank or vs bigger enemies
hearty panther
it also has hysterical damage drop off
radiant chasm
^
hearty panther
thats what i mean by the lie
radiant chasm
So point blank and big as hell
austere pine
lemme go take the big piss, make the big cuppa joe and call you all bitches when i get back
hearty panther
ever since they nerfed the fire special i dont see it anymore
i always thought it was shit tbh
clear lantern
Ironbreaker Bardin went hard
Bardin was already an Iron Breaker in a previous life, so that's him returning to his old class.
hearty panther
love the sound tho, very clanky
austere pine
i've always been using the agri resulting in me thinking the shotguns sound bad
but kanty do have the big crack
wild wasp
Can i get some weapon advice pls? Just finally rolled pc iv on power sword. It has :
Maniac %25
Melee weakspot dmg %8
Slaughterer 3
Supercharge 3
Im thinking weakspot for flak and supercharge for power cycler?
somber axle
was anyone gonna tell me about the immense fucking damage the kanty deals per sh...
Agripina Slug Shot does WAY more damage per shot than Kantrael but you end up reloading slugs every shot if you want to make use of it. Agripina slugs pen Carapace, are the only shots in the game that can still 1 tap stagger Bulwark shields and can 1HKO most specials and elites with little talent investment using Full Bore
There's more context to it than the numbers show
For just panic spamming standard shots the Kanty does better
hearty panther
yea like kanty is also the slowest firing shotgun
and slowest to reload per shell
somber axle
Agripina is bolt action rifle gameplay
Kantrael Shotgun special deals with mixed hordes effectively
hearty panther
at 15m+ you do less damage with the kantrael than other shotguns
cause of the drop off
somber axle
That's like the other pro to using the Kantrael over Agripina or Lawbringer
hearty panther
its quite severe lol
somber axle
I think that's because it has the highest spread pattern of all the shotguns?
I vaguely remember seeing the spread patterns in the new guide numbers cat shared
hearty panther
no this is on the calculator
so it assumes you get max damage
which is to say in the best case scenario
you will do less damage
somber axle
Ah that makes it extra tricky to do damage the further out a target is combined with the spread
hearty panther
and in reality you will probably do even less
but kantrael is very generous for minimum pellet count
since it has so few
either way, not a great shotgun
somber axle
It's ok because like 2 special shots into a mixed horde lights the poxwalkers and ragers on fire
mortal orbit
Can i get some weapon advice pls? Just finally rolled pc iv on power sword. It h...
Test if itll hit a decent amount on damnation muties b4 settling on maniac but
somber axle
Give it a few seconds and they all burn to death
mortal orbit
That roll is godlike gj
hearty panther
that also got nerfed tho
clear lantern
https://tenor.com/view/onehit-tryhard-gif-24675955
very good nazi killin' scene right there
hidden torrent
Need a plasma shotgun
hearty panther
special round doesnt megacleave anymore
somber axle
But after trying to search Vet chat for numbers cat pics of the spread patterns on the shotguns all I could find was him saying repeatedly that the spread pattern of the Kantrael is widest of the shotguns and has the trickiest hit reg of as a result so it benefits very little from full bore
The pellet spread probably means you need to use it like shotguns in most other games if you want to get value from Full Bore and treat the Kantrael Shotgun more like a melee weapon
clear lantern
Need a plasma shotgun
Imperial Guard BFG-5000
somber axle
very good nazi killin' scene right there
It's such a REALLY COOL SCENE
A shame about the tank
But then they had socks iirc so
Socks > Tank
hidden torrent
Not for Ogryn
clear lantern
sticky bombs, bombs that stick goes through my head every time the vet says it when tossing their grenade at a heavy
tough tiger
hidden torrent
I just use revolver because it is actually insane
Unless you're bad at shooting heads
clear lantern
I use Agripinaa infantry autogun and headhunter and think it's so neat that the headhunter jams sometimes because it reminds me that the darktiders are shit people with shit weapons they recovered in a shit situation and stuff breaks in the field says Morrow
and that's funny
somber axle
I just use whatever is fun and I have more fun playing with the special shots of both othe shotguns for either anti-horde memes with Lawbringer Shotgun Manstopper Scattershot deleting hordes in literally THE most ammo efficient way any ranged weapon the Vet has can do or Agripina Bolt Action sniper gameplay for deleting specials/elites and bullying chaos Ogryns
clear lantern
when double tap isn't suggested, but required: Agrippina Headhunter
uncut leaf
consecrated my plasma , got blaze away t3 & gets hot t4, what perks do i put on it
terse idol
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> consecrated my plasma , got blaze away t3 & ge...
- elite and uhhhhhhhhhhh
Maniac?
tall torrent
+ elite and uhhhhhhhhhhh
Elite & flak
austere pine
It's such a REALLY COOL SCENE
what film is this? i'm a sucker for dead nazis
somber axle
what film is this? i'm a sucker for dead nazis
Saving Private Ryan
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what film is this? i'm a sucker for dead nazis
saving private ryan
somber axle
one of the best war movies imo
another really good war movie is 1917
they did it all in one shot
austere pine
i saw the clip of the nazi shooting the dude that saved him
last parcel
shaving ryan's privates
austere pine
me, a ws shotgun vet vs. the scab stalker as i round the corner and we both notice each other
(i have a power sword)
uncut leaf
btw is it better to craft farm blues for power cycler t4 or craft till transcendant? and whats the minimum base rating i should find
austere pine
btw is it better to craft farm blues for power cycler t4 or craft till transcend...
i heard that to get specific t4s it's better to go for golds
and get 360+
astral ingot
Orange upgrades have a better chance at tier 4 blessings
The real answer is wait two weeks and pray they unfuck crafting
austere pine
which shovel for optimal shovel™️ gameplay
woeful ibex
midnight totem
200 million skulls collected BUT NOT A SINGLE FIX FOR THE FUCKING STORE
I think I'm about to change my steam review to negative
shadow urchin
Is thiiiiis what all those skulls were paying for!?
unique orchid
200 million skulls collected BUT NOT A SINGLE FIX FOR THE FUCKING STORE
The skulls were collected by the community
shadow urchin
The skulls were collected by the community
Once again, we do all the work.
unique orchid
byeah
shadow urchin
Smh fs, S.M.H
unique orchid
the community event was completed by the community
shadow urchin
I bet FS didn't collect a single skull. Lazy karkers
shadow urchin
I really hope these are hints for like, new stuff. And not the stuff we already know. Like, they could mean "Ogryn gets a pickaxe, theres a manufactorum and its cold" which is obvious/ they already told us outright.
But I hope its something new, like "pick gear, cool!" Which could refer to the crafting system, but I am not sure if I should give FS that much credit.
tame lodge
Each week, we'll drop a hint about the new mission, Atelium Foundryplex Omega V.
Cacti told me to interpret the emojis as a group
And if Cacti is right
There'll be some automated pickaxe breaking through ice or something
Unfortunately, that's just theory
shadow urchin
Plot twist, its an automatic drill we have to babysit for the event to break through some ice. Payday style, but bigger
junior needle
200 million skulls collected BUT NOT A SINGLE FIX FOR THE FUCKING STORE
What's wrong with the store this time?
shadow urchin
You know what I would like? A push the cart objective. Escort big drill to dig site and we can push heretics into the spinny bit for fun.
serene bough
What's wrong with the store this time?
From news bulletin:
Heya, everyone!
Quick update: We wanted to let you know that we’ve hit a snag with the latest Commodore’s Vesture update and there will be a delay before it is live. It’s looking like the update will come tomorrow during the day, and we’ll update you if there is any change there.
Thank you for the patience! 🙏
shadow urchin
Oh, maybe a special mining servitor? They'd probably have picks for hands. But I feel they would have skull emoji in there somewhere.
junior needle
Of all the reasons to leave a negative review, having the slop shop not reset on time is my least expected one
midnight totem
What's wrong with the store this time?
I mean, besides that it's a shitty fomo system? It's delayed again
I'm not expecting much
shadow urchin
Of all the reasons to leave a negative review, having the slop shop not reset on...
I thought we were mad as joke, no?
junior needle
Fatshark has already severely disappointed the vast majority of people, even minor fuckups are more fuel on the bonfire
shadow urchin
Like "aaugh, now I cannae spend money on useless garbo, I'm gonna flip a cop car!"
junior needle
Well, a bonfire goes down on its own. More like entries in the book of grudges.
It only gets bigger
shadow urchin
A working cosmetics shop was the one thing we could count on. Now we are lost to chaos.
shadow urchin
Despair! Despair!
tame lodge
radiant chasm
I thought we were mad as joke, no?
Nah some people legit get heated
People ready to flame fatshark but first in line for the slop
shadow urchin
Ah, I cannae tell anymore. I assume everyone is performing emotions in jest.
You telling me ya'll actually have feelings? Nerds.
midnight totem
Review updated
I'm not actually mad or heated at Fatshark
But it's not like I'm exalting them
I'm just saying. Fatshark needs to have some standards when they fleece me for cosmetics. Warframe does!
shadow urchin
How am I supposed to ignore the tar and featherin' if I don't have sequins in my eyes? Wheres the razzle dazzle!
somber axle
90 penance points away
and all the missions I need to do for the last points are not in rotation ugh
midnight totem
From the armor?
somber axle
yeah
shadow urchin
90 penance points away, 90 penance points! Take a penance, grind it out, 85 penance points away!
somber axle
I have a bunch of really easy ones I can do
it's just that none of the maps are in rotation
just some skulls
shadow urchin
I just got my armor yesterday. Now I am working on getting those fancy blue titles
Those are really impressive to me
midnight totem
Ring master is the last title for me
junior needle
I'm just saying. Fatshark needs to have some standards when they fleece me for c...
You can just choose not to get fleeced for bad cosmetics, it's rewarding their bad habits
midnight totem
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frank ether
Of all the reasons to leave a negative review, having the slop shop not reset on...
the whales are upset
slop was late
gaymers ryze up
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paper anchor
austere pine
veteran class
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📣
tame lodge
The class of all time
austere pine
we lost miserably because apparently the laspistol vet can't shoot specialists
midnight totem
Fireteamfireteamfireteam
midnight totem
... what did the rest of you bring
austere pine
i think that was what happened
no clue what the other vet was (as the 2nd guy in the pic left b4 match started) but i'm running kanty
i would be shooting specialists if i saw them
but we got concentration camp'd by a tox bomber and i couldn't do anything cuz i was fightig for my life against a horde supported by 3 gunners
tiny summit
Replacing tox bombs with feet
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somber axle
Wait huh
Is Darktide getting review bombed
I am a simple clown and if they say it is delayed it just means my bank account has another day to rest
junior needle
Stop giving funds to bad companies for slop
hearty panther
i wish i could buy the same skin several times
shadow urchin
Wait, is someone selling slop? I heard someone mention slop
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hearty panther
something they dont tell u about the premium currency is that just rattling it a little will help u instantly identify crybabies right out of a crowd
zealot needs more book and scroll related items
i need maximum literature
junior needle
tiny summit
Im happy with what I have atm. I'll throw aquilas again when I really appreciate an update. Havent been playing regularly like I did at all. Game had a stranglehold on me for months after P13. But now pretty chill
Have other games to play
shadow urchin
I am pretty dang set on cosmetics, but I do like reading the flavour text
Some of the best writing in game has been in those blurbs
midnight totem
I just want a power sword cosmetic I like
Better yet!
How about they hire the weapon customization guy
hearty panther
and it honks when u get hit
somber axle
Yes please
serene bough
I think you could pass off an ogryn clown nose
shadow urchin
I would love a clowngryn
Especially if its pagliacci flavoured.
Sad clowns are the best clowns
They really get me
Plus, I think seeing an ogryn get humiliated repeatedly would be a real crowd-getter on Atoma.
serene bough
Clowns are cool
shadow urchin
I could tell jokes too!
"Where did heretic go, after they wandered into an imperial mine field?"
"EVERYWHERE"
We need to bring the noble clowning profession back into style
bitter turtle
Especially if its pagliacci flavoured.
Man goes to local chirurgeon. Says he's depressed. Says life in manufactorum is harsh and cruel. Feels alone in a threatening universe where future is vague and unclear. Doctor says: treatment is simple, go to underhive, shoot some heretics. That should pick you right up
Man replies, but doctor I am a heretic.
And then John was a heretic
shadow urchin
Ah, classic.
tall torrent
I just want a power sword cosmetic I like
There’s been like 2
shadow urchin
I wonder if theres a warhammer equivalent of those punch and judy puppet shows.
I feel like Ogryn and Psyker would be good comedy duo
serene bough
Are imperial jesters lore accurate
shadow urchin
Sadly, the only jesters I know of in 40k are the... ugh... elven kind
hollow turtle
I wonder if theres a warhammer equivalent of those punch and judy puppet shows.
I mean.. The closest you'll get to a comedic experience of entertainment and lore is the Text-To-Speech series on Youtube.
shadow urchin
So sad the carnival has included zero clowns.
When will they send in the clowns!?
Send in the clowns!
somber axle
Sadly, the only jesters I know of in 40k are the... ugh... elven kind
I love Elf aesthetic tbh
shadow urchin
The 40k elves are a bit different though. They're... weirder
shadow urchin
Fair.
somber axle
Ever since reading a story of literally just two Harlequins on an attempt at a peace mission fighting their way into and through the Imperial Palace to try to ask the Emperor to act while DANCING and shouting "FRIENDSHIP!" over and over I laugh immensely
two of them killed custodes and even despite how many of the custodes tried to stop them, they were barely delayed on their advance and only stopped when they reached the throne room
that's HILARIOUS
Empire's finest soldiers and technology couldn't stop two clowns who weren't even there trying to kill anyone
midnight totem
There’s been like 2
and I don't have the first
tall torrent
and I don't have the first
The 2nd one is nice tho
First one is semiarid tactical I think?
That’s what I remember anyway
remote gale
Well that's just mean
midnight totem
should've killed two more heretics then!
midnight totem
The 2nd one is nice tho
it is pretty nice, but I don't like it for my mk6
I only use it for my mk3
junior needle
Ever since reading a story of _literally just two Harlequins on an attempt at a ...
I just read that excerpt and it's extremely stupid
They were killing a bunch of custodes
vernal harbor
Ever since reading a story of _literally just two Harlequins on an attempt at a ...
Bury the writer in the same grave as the one who wrote the End Times
uncut pebble
It would not surprise me if the custodes died due to not fighting for thousands of years.
somber axle
I just read that excerpt and it's extremely stupid
yes LMFAO
not only did the kill multiple custodes but they also did not spawn into the throne room
they spawned in the imperial palace
and fought their way into the throne room
killing custodes along the way and not receiving any injuries until they were at last caught and overwhelmed Darktide style
the writers was definitely having a lot of fun LMFAO
tall torrent
the writers was definitely having a lot of fun LMFAO
40k lore’s power scaling is pretty inconsistent so
Yea
tiny summit
Yes please
Let the clown nose honk when you get hit. Let teammates who melee you activate it too. Have the hitbox big enough that swiping at ogryn butt activates the honk.
junior needle
It makes both the custodes and the clowns look completely inept
somber axle
Bury the writer in the same grave as the one who wrote the End Times
Why bury them? It's the most entertaining story I've read so far in 40k LMFAO
somber axle
40k lore’s power scaling is pretty inconsistent so
the writing is all over the place but as far as my understanding of 40k goes literally everything is ridiculously over the top extreme so
that's just normal
the only consistency is that it is consistently inconsistent
somber axle
Let the clown nose honk when you get hit. Let teammates who melee you activate i...
I'd unironically love this tbh and ask people to slap me in matches
tiny summit
Brother, slap my ass brother
somber axle
It makes both the custodes and the clowns look completely inept
The clowns probably understood that any attempt to reach Tera would be met with violence period
Any Elf diplomat attempting to speak with the Emperor would be shot on sight
somber axle
they sent in the clowns knowing that the Empire wasn't about to let an Elf even get onto the same planet as the Emperor, much less the throne room of the imperial palace
somber axle
a message to be laughed at and discarded by Imperial Officials
junior needle
Assumption
somber axle
they did not care to contact any of the other Imperial leaders
if they did
they simply would have tried to contact them instead of the Emperor
junior needle
They could've left it with the custodes
somber axle
to be fair the Custodes opened fired the instant the clowns appeared
there wasn't really any chance to leave a message
they were attacked and began fighting back
junior needle
Are you aware that
You can write things down
Just write down a message, they know human language
somber axle
write down a letter, throw into imperial palace, hope the custodes acknowledge it and share the message with the Emperor
junior needle
Throw a letter in
junior needle
They got right into the imperial palace through the webway
They can get out the same way
They clearly didn't have an issue not dying while making a run for the golden throne
somber axle
plus there's like one guy who likes the Aeldari and I'm not entirely sure he would've been able to deliver the message at this particular time
somber axle
the guy who gets meme'd about his relationship with a very specific Elf
somber axle
Yeah that's the equivalent of liking them
junior needle
And that's why he's trying to not rely on the armor
somber axle
Not shooting them on sight
Though there was a really cool quote from one of the Elves to him
lemme see if I can find it
junior needle
That's not liking at all
somber axle
if the one guy who might be able to care to listen to the Elves is at that level
you can understand the Elves probably didn't consider it worth attempting to send more legitimate diplomats
LOL
junior needle
That's because the eldar are notoriously duplicitous
somber axle
the plan, at least as far as trying to make any sense of this, was to get them close enough to reach out specifically and psychically to the Emperor to deliver a warning
it did not matter the cost
bought in the blood of custodes or clowns
the message needed to be delivered
and it was
junior needle
Wasn't emps not even capable of actually controlling the imperium
somber axle
at that time no LOL
but the Elves didn't know that
All they knew was that the Empire needed to figure their shit out
or the whole galaxy was going to suffer for it
junior needle
They should've gone to Magnus instead of fulgrim
Who had a daemon sword
The space elves are not very smart
somber axle
the whole scenario feels like it plays off of the ignorance of both sides tbh
junior needle
It's an idiot plot
somber axle
a very funny plot LOL
junior needle
There is a term for it
tawny badger
who will win
human(?) mutated to the point of having a physique similar to an ogryn hopped up on god knows how many stimulants vs guy with digging tool
somber axle
the term is canon
and it's very funny
it reads like fanfiction but this is legitimate writing for the universe
and tbh I think the implications are kinda terrifying for humanity
that they are so fragile even their best super soldiers second only to the Primarchs are beaten by a pair of Elves in clown costumes
it shows that the Elves, despite such a fall from grace, have a massive edge as far as skill, experience, tactics, technology, speed, etc.
that humanity for all its power was so fragile that the Elves could have simply teleported a bomb into the capital and destroyed the whole palace without anyone the wiser
the implications of it all make it feel so much darker
tawny badger
the implication is elves rule humies drool
somber axle
that the Elves could have and probably would have destroyed the seat of humanity if pressed to do so, but there are much bigger problems
even a fallen race could break humanity without much effort
the loss of Tera and the Emperor would destroy the Empire
the short story is goofy
but the ability just to teleport in leaves so much crazy potential
OH ALSO GOOD NEWS
literally just run any mission on the torrent
LMFAO
I thought this last bit would be hard
somber axle
but this is the smoothest cakewalk to the finish line
somber axle
idk if you'll survive
a clown must fight and die for their clown costume
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tame lodge
The books weren't lying, Vraks 3 goes hard
junior needle
There’s a lot of garbage that makes it into the black library books
Truly awful writing
snow cypress
Hi guys does this talent activate Born leader?
junior needle
It should, but born leader is really low value as a talent
late hatch
It should, but born leader is really low value as a talent
Thats the squad toughness sharing node?
tall torrent
Hi guys does this talent activate Born leader?
Yes
flint lake
Hi guys does this talent activate Born leader?
Born leader ain’t worth it even when using a weapon that gives 25% toughness on kill.
It’s a bad talent
tall torrent
Born leader ain’t worth it even when using a weapon that gives 25% toughness on ...
Gloryhunter plasma? It’s good
BL scales from ur total toughness
late hatch
I disagree.
tall torrent
Gloryhunter + BL actually sends a decent amount of toughness with elite kills
late hatch
Sharing extra toughness to your team mates can make a very noticable diff
flint lake
BL only restores toughness based on the toughness gained by the player. If you’re at full toughness, the benefits of Born Leader don’t activate
tall torrent
BL only restores toughness based on the toughness gained by the player. If you’r...
Patched, activates now
It’s any toughness you would gain from non-coherency source
Used to not activate when you’re at full toughness, and didn’t scale from total toughness
Both have been changed
flint lake
So what is that then? 35% on kill with a little more over time? And BL grants 10% of that so 3.5% to all teamates in coherency.
Seems kinda lame
tall torrent
So what is that then? 35% on kill with a little more over time? And BL grants 10...
BL is 15% of any non-coherency sourced toughness u get
35% on any elite kill (25% + 10% from CK)
Let’s say you have 160 toughness (very easy to achieve regardless of build)
That’s 8.4 toughness immediately to all 3 teammates in coherency with u
But you’re not going to kill only 1 elite
It’s a small amount that adds up over a match and helps keep ur teammates’ toughness as close to 100% as possible, as much as possible
Kill 3 shotgunners, that’s 24+
Zealot has maybe 160 toughness on a toughness build
You gave him 15% by playing normally
And then the CK over time effects kick in
CK has no stack cap
It just adds up over time
flint lake
Depends on how much damage your teammates are also taking
tall torrent
It’s usually just a safety net for teammates
flint lake
Toughness regen generally ain’t an issue
Might as well just spend the point into Field Improvisation
late hatch
Game is easy, just dont take damage and kill the enemy pog
tall torrent
Might as well just spend the point into Field Improvisation
It’s more like
BL vs FTE
flint lake
Giving an ogryn another giant frag nade easily provides better value
flint lake
I meme and slam it down before spamming out kraks to kill bosses
tall torrent
FTE doesn’t boost blitz Dmg
orchid hemlock
Hi guys does this talent activate Born leader?
Yeah but good luck having enough points to get that deep into the tree ☠️
somber axle
I set a personal goal to get it under 2 months and I achieved it so I'm immensely relieved and happy
AT LAST
coral willow
now I can wear this outfit with my Recon Mk VId and piss people off
hadron put punishing salvo on my melk 6d
somber axle
hadron put punishing salvo on my melk 6d
through a lot of weird clown testing I discovered that punishing salvo and sustained fire are actually not that bad on the Mk VId but tbh I'd still take Infernus IV/Headhunter or Dum Dum/Headhunter over either
with a personal love for Infernus even if it's slightly less than Dum Dum
coral willow
through a lot of weird clown testing I discovered that punishing salvo and susta...
im not gonna tapfire sad
somber axle
I don't want to either
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💀
coral willow
speaking of
i wonder if punishing salvo's first 4 bullets wp damage
similar to precog's absurd damage increase
like agrapina IAG has a huge wp bonus
so use it on that
unfortunately i like to hold m1
snow cypress
Born leader ain’t worth it even when using a weapon that gives 25% toughness on ...
it's for a toughness generator build
snow cypress
Yeah but good luck having enough points to get that deep into the tree ☠️
I mean I have
flint lake
it's for a toughness generator build
Which is a bad build
orchid hemlock
I mean I have
In a toughness generator build?
snow cypress
well i'm just proving the build
orchid hemlock
1 you NEED the ammo node on the left side, u need scavenger because you are using the plasma gun
And you need focus fire
flint lake
It’s always better to prevent damage by maximizing alpha strike capability over mitigating it and far more reliable
snow cypress
1 you NEED the ammo node on the left side, u need scavenger because you are usin...
yeah I'm using plasma
orchid hemlock
Wait what does it look like?
Because I have nothing in the right side of the tree
snow cypress
1 you NEED the ammo node on the left side, u need scavenger because you are usin...
I have ammo node
orchid hemlock
This is mine
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bro loves the starter subtrees
orchid hemlock
Yes 🥺
snow cypress
This is also a good talent
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💀
orchid hemlock
No that talent is dog because, unfortunately
Um
It doesn't work on yourself
I learnt that the hard way
snow cypress
well
anyways it's 15% toughness
plus the plasma gun blessing and all the other stuff
orchid hemlock
anyways it's 15% toughness
Yeah but it has no synergy with born leader
orchid hemlock
hey question what gun is good with infiltrate vet?
Yes
snow cypress
is not that THAT important when it gives 15% toughness to allies
It would be better if it had sinergy but...
junior haven
https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-hello-chat-gif-26128152
I prefer things with high damage from the get, like plasma. Coupled with the bonus crit chance from stealth field it does some chunky shots.
orchid hemlock
is not that THAT important when it gives 15% toughness to allies
Like I said, it does not proc when you are the closest thing to the target
flint lake
This is also a good talent
Not really. Shooting into a melee is generally redundant. Your teammates should already be doing just fine fighting in melee. Best way to use it though is to play a hybrid melee oriented build that regularly swaps weapons to activate the buff.
tall torrent
This is also a good talent
This is a bad talent
orchid hemlock
So the chances of you shooting a target that is near an ally is basically null
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i love shooting poxwalkers
astral blade
are the shotguns good on vet?
junior haven
I also run a stealth sniper build with helbore. For same reasons above.
tall torrent
It doesn’t work with born leader because it doesn’t give buff to urself
snow cypress
Not really. Shooting into a melee is generally redundant. Your teammates should ...
that's what my build is more or less with plasma and axe
tall torrent
It only works on teammates
flint lake
are the shotguns good on vet?
They’re okay
orchid hemlock
that's what my build is more or less with plasma and axe
Yeah but again, it does not proc with yourself
flint lake
that's what my build is more or less with plasma and axe
Good mix. I wish the shotgun was nearly as good as the plasma in short range.
snow cypress
Good mix. I wish the shotgun was nearly as good as the plasma in short range.
oh yeah
astral blade
ok what gun do y'all recommend with stealth vet also i aint taking plas because no ADS
flint lake
Thing about Vet is the class is primarily designed to kill elites
snow cypress
ok what gun do y'all recommend with stealth vet also i aint taking plas because ...
Zarona
Is the one I use
orchid hemlock
ok what gun do y'all recommend with stealth vet also i aint taking plas because ...
flint lake
Best to minimize the time spent fighting hoards to focus on that primary objective
snow cypress
So the chances of you shooting a target that is near an ally is basically null
when there are crushers,scrap or normal ragers it is very likely that they are near allies
flint lake
Crushers are real ez to handle as a plasma vet
coral willow
Crushers are real ez to handle as a plasma vet
pew pew pew ded
snow cypress
So that's what I'm saying
flint lake
Just pop them in the head and they tumble over
orchid hemlock
OK but you know what is better than waiting for them to come into melle?
snow cypress
Crushers are real ez to handle as a plasma vet
plasma kill it and my allies get the buff
orchid hemlock
Shooting them before they get close to your team
snow cypress
Shooting them before they get close to your team
They usually get to melee
At least in most of my gameplays
flint lake
Probably suboptimal but if that’s fun for you go for it
orchid hemlock
And the amount of toughness it gives is not nearly as good as other nodes
flint lake
Rather keep as much distance as I can from crushers
snow cypress
And the amount of toughness it gives is not nearly as good as other nodes
it gives 15% pure toughness
to allies
orchid hemlock
And has no synergy with born leader
flint lake
Ez enough to dodge but 1 good over head is an instant down
snow cypress
But born leader gives a low percentage of the toughness
orchid hemlock
it gives 15% pure toughness
No it only gives it to the closest ally, and that is assuming the target is 5m away from the ally
snow cypress
Man,instead of giving 15% it would give 17,25% not a big change
orchid hemlock
But born leader gives a low percentage of the toughness
OK but if you are gaining any toughness, you're ENTIRE team gets it
And it stacks with focus
And out for blood
And the plasma blessing
flint lake
Exhilarating takedown has the best synergy with BL
orchid hemlock
And confirmed kill
flint lake
Just shoot at head height into a crowd and generate 20 stacks ez
orchid hemlock
Exhilarating takedown has the best synergy with BL
Is it consistent tho on plasma?
flint lake
Well enough with plasma though I prefer using the columnus
orchid hemlock
Does Columnus have a toughness blessing?
flint lake
Nope
snow cypress
lol
snow cypress
And out for blood
this would stack anyways because it has no synergy
late hatch
ok what gun do y'all recommend with stealth vet also i aint taking plas because ...
Try iag or brauto? Maybe with raking fire. I run plasma mostly with infil since it gives you time to vent, reload, or line up a perfect cleave
snow cypress
And the plasma blessing
happens the same with this
orchid hemlock
this would stack anyways because it has no synergy
How does out for blood not have synergy with born leader?
snow cypress
i didn't mean that
orchid hemlock
What no, 5% EVERY kill
snow cypress
Out of blood will stack anyways
orchid hemlock
It stacks up
snow cypress
I mean that
flint lake
Every melee kill I beleive
orchid hemlock
No it's range as well
flint lake
And you’re spend 2 points to get it
junior needle
It requires you to shoot into melee chaffe, already a thing you shouldn't be doing, but especially to shoot into melee chaffe right next to your teammates that they're already presumably clearing
It has very low value
orchid hemlock
Even if it was only melle, 5% EVERY kill as you slaughter a horde is insane
orchid hemlock
It does not compare with a 15%
The 15% only occurs to one person
And only if you kill an elite close to them
flint lake
Whenever you start jumping into melee vet you gotta be ready to ask, why not just play zealot?
orchid hemlock
Tru but someone needs to kill the specials 😔
snow cypress
The 15% only occurs to one person
only one person?
junior needle
Has to be a ranged attack according to the tooltip
snow cypress
It says allies
flint lake
Especially if you want to use stealth
last parcel
zealot doesn't have loose cannon voice lines 
snow cypress
orchid hemlock
Yeah in the 5 meter range
snow cypress
If it's only 1 ally then is not worth it
orchid hemlock
Good luck having more than 1 person near the target you kill, if at all
And it has to be ranged
flint lake
Again, it’s good if you’re playing a melee focus hybrid build
snow cypress
In archivum
orchid hemlock
And again it doesn't work on yourself
snow cypress
In the stairs
flint lake
10% damage is great
snow cypress
And again it doesn't work on yourself
the difference between not working in myself and doing it is a 2,5%
snow cypress
That's what I'm saying
orchid hemlock
0% value on yourself
astral blade
imma be real only reason why i dislike the plas is cause ya cant ADS with it which SUCKS
midnight totem
ok what gun do y'all recommend with stealth vet also i aint taking plas because ...
-looks at his stealth vet with plasma build-
snow cypress
a 15%(Born Leader) of 15% (covering fire) is a 2,25%
orchid hemlock
imma be real only reason why i dislike the plas is cause ya cant ADS with it whi...
I never liked the plasma because I feel like:
midnight totem
I'll be honest, any gun works with vet
stealth vet
shout vet
but not executioner vet, because some guns are already overkill and don't need executioner
astral blade
-looks at his stealth vet with plasma build-
im a col infantry autogun guy
orchid hemlock
a 15%(Born Leader) of 15% (covering fire) is a 2,25%
It does not proc with born leader because it you cannot proc it with yourself
It has literally 0 synergy with born leader
astral blade
tempted to switch back to the recon lasgun or maybe the kantrael
snow cypress
It does not proc with born leader because it you cannot proc it with yourself
Man that's what I'M SAYING,the difference between having synergy and not having it is only a 2,25%
orchid hemlock
I don't understand what you are saying
snow cypress
Ok,let me explain
astral blade
a 15%(Born Leader) of 15% (covering fire) is a 2,25%
snow cypress
Covering fire gives a 15% to allies,right?
coral willow
cf only gives to allies
snow cypress
IK
orchid hemlock
Assuming you meet the conditions, but yeah sure
last parcel
nobody here knows what a hypothetical is
orchid hemlock
nobody here knows what a hypothetical is
Ur mom gotem
astral blade
Covering fire gives a 15% to allies,right?
my man pass the weed you are smoking because i want some
unique orchid
mister gold i see what you are trying to say here but like, that is a strange hypothetical
orchid hemlock
I mean, I guess in aurics, half the shit you kill is going to be close to someone because there are more elites than trash sometimes ☠️
snow cypress
So assuming it gives you also a 15% toughness to you(which is not the case,but imagine)it would give TO ALLIES the direct 15% of CF and a 15% of the toughness it gives TO YOU(which is a 2,25%).The result of this is that instead of giving to allies a 15% it would give a 17,25%
orchid hemlock
So assuming it gives you also a 15% toughness to you(which is not the case,but i...
That literally makes no sense
snow cypress
how not?
sinful swallow
Since it doesn't work like that why bother
orchid hemlock
Where the fuck does the 2.25% even come from?
sinful swallow
This is a lot of getting twisted up by a non existent mechanic because it's not how the talent works
astral blade
seriously who let the clown in the vet chat
sinful swallow
Where the fuck does the 2.25% even come from?
The 15% of toughness you gain is given to allies is where he's getting it from
last parcel
seriously who let the clown in the vet chat
vet chat is literally a circus
midnight totem
oh boy, four power loss missions
snow cypress
Where the fuck does the 2.25% even come from?
a 15%(BL) of that 15% it would give to you in case it had this synergy
sinful swallow
But you don't have the synergy
orchid hemlock
It has NO SYNERGY WITH BL
snow cypress
Man are you dumb?
unique orchid
vet chat is literally a circus
orchid hemlock
CF DOES NOT PROC ON YOURSELF
last parcel
orchid hemlock
🤡
snow cypress
I am saying this because the difference of having synergy a not having it a not that high
orchid hemlock
🎪
unique orchid
it i guess has synergy but it is in a fringe scenario that is highly uncommon
hearty panther
man imagine if covering fire did fill your own toughness
orchid hemlock
I am saying this because the difference of having synergy a not having it a not ...
It has 0% synergy my dude
hearty panther
thats be hilarious
coral willow
can we scream about CF not proccing on oneself
orchid hemlock
can we scream about CF not proccing on oneself
Yes AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
sinful swallow
This is what it feels like
tiny summit
vet chat is literally a circus
Vet chat: BP math nerds
Zealot chat: femboy containment
Psyker chat: gunkers are heresy
Ogryn chat: we OP lads, favorite rock?
snow cypress
It has 0% synergy my dude
Is an explanation of why is not important that it has not synergy
orchid hemlock
????
snow cypress
OK
orchid hemlock
snow cypress
CF has synergy with BL
tiny summit
man imagine if covering fire did fill your own toughness
Wouldnt that just be a better version of zealot's ranged attack toughness gain?
orchid hemlock
CF has synergy with BL
hearty panther
yes
sinful swallow
Wouldnt that just be a better version of zealot's ranged attack toughness gain?
Yes, immensely at current numbers
snow cypress
If it HAD SYNERGY
tiny summit
I REPEAT, IMAGINE
I dont think anyone is interested in this hypothetical because it doesnt exist. Like the lamest of hypothetical.
orchid hemlock
OK I'm going to sya this one more time, and I swear this will be the last time
BL and CF have NO synergy with each other
None, nada, 0
snow cypress
I dont think anyone is interested in this hypothetical because it doesnt exist. ...
I'm saying to show it does not matter they have no synergy
orchid hemlock
Of course it matters, that's the whole discussion
snow cypress
And that it would be maybe a good option,that we could talk about other stuff
snow cypress
Of course it matters, that's the whole discussion
orchid hemlock
So what you are saying is that it synergizes with the toughness regen build correct?
NOT BL
snow cypress
I'm saying that IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT THAT CF HAS NO SYNERGY WITH BL
Because by itself it gives 15%
We could talk about other important point such as the team position and that 5m limitation
orchid hemlock
OK but I'm telling you, that because it does not synergize with BL there are other nodes that are better you can be spending
snow cypress
Having synergy with BL in that case is not that important
orchid hemlock
BL is literally the reason why the regen build works in the first place
sinful swallow
It is when you're now taxing power out of yourself for something that doesn't benefit you and also doesn't benefit from core of your build, it's adjacent but not the same
orchid hemlock
So instead of wasting 2 points to get a conditional node like CF that doesn't maximize BL, why not use it on something like blood?
snow cypress
BL is literally the reason why the regen build works in the first place
It is but if one talent doesn't fit exactly is not always a reason to not use it,if anyways having or not having synergy with it it gives toughness
sinful swallow
It gives toughness to other people but why not spend for toughness on yourself or a node that lets you kill faster and proc your own gains more
snow cypress
It gives toughness to other people but why not spend for toughness on yourself o...
but if in the case it gave you it would be not that important,and I like the idea of having the chance of giving 15% of toughness to the allies
orchid hemlock
OK so having toughness given to YOURSELF is significantly easier than trying to proc CF, because YOU have control of that regeneration.
Does that make sense?
junior needle
Yeah it requiring you to shoot into chaffe that your team is already clearing makes it hard to justify
snow cypress
Yeah it requiring you to shoot into chaffe that your team is already clearing ma...
well plasma if i'm not wrong goes across the allies
sinful swallow
But you're shooting at something already being taken care of
snow cypress
this would be mainly for raggers,crushers,bulwark
astral blade
is this golden clown still in this chat?
snow cypress
But you're shooting at something already being taken care of
or maybe not,when there are 5 or 6 raggers
sinful swallow
Plasma one shots the wave anyways
snow cypress
Plasma one shots the wave anyways
that's what i'm saying
orchid hemlock
well plasma if i'm not wrong goes across the allies
OK when I have 20 thousands things swarming us, I'm not really going to be thinking about the position of my teammates in corilation to the elites
snow cypress
OK when I have 20 thousands things swarming us, I'm not really going to be think...
ok that is another point
totally different to the last
junior needle
You generally also move away from these large clusters if you're in a position where you actually need the toughness boost
snow cypress
OK when I have 20 thousands things swarming us, I'm not really going to be think...
and I can agree with you in that part,which is the position
orchid hemlock
OK so if I use Taste of Blood on a horde, I literally can probably get 20 kills easily, that is 400% toughness
That's to my whole team
snow cypress
Which is that?
orchid hemlock
Taste of Blood
orchid hemlock
Every kill you get you get 5% toughness per kill