veteran-class

[somber axle]

I will. Leavers are losers and they know it LOL

[umbral garnet]

You see, condemn and mock are two different things.

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[somber axle]

Ok fair LMFAO

I will fight viciously to protect a new player

But a leaver gets no sympathy

[last parcel]

CONFESS YOUR SINS

https://tenor.com/view/uwii-man-rotating-in-cement-mixer-gif-21659993

[umbral garnet]

AYE SOLDIER

[hollow turtle]

I take it some of us will be hopping into Space Marines II Coop when it comes out.

[flint lake]

Maybe

[umbral garnet]

By the God-Emperor, of course.

If I have the funds.

[flint lake]

I’m trying to avoid buying fresh titles.

[lime gyro]

yea i dont see fatshark ever doing that but if they did it would be fkin dope

[flint lake]

They all release broken anyways and there are cheaper games that came out 5 years ago that honestly look just as good.

[somber axle]

Yes absolutely. Me and 2 friends are already planning to play it together

[umbral garnet]

Seeing who's at the helm, I don't think it'd release at a terrible state.

[hollow turtle]

Will be playing with my brothers myself, but when they're not on, I'd be happy to join others.

[somber axle]

As a rule I do not pre-order games ever. I usually also let the dust settle and give a game a couple weeks after release before touching it. But some games end up making me bend the rule enough to buy on release

[rapid palm]

yeah thats how I am

[faint beacon]

I only really pre order if in my personal opinion the game is giving enough as a bonus or looks promising enough

[somber axle]

Darktide was one of the games I bought before I had the rule and the beta was genuinely a fun experience even if it was buggy and had immense performance issues

Still worth it

[midnight totem]

I only pre-order games if the bonus is nifty enough

[faint beacon]

I might honestly wait with SMII but I’m unsure

[umbral garnet]

Ok, sorry to shatter the topic at hand, but speaking of people who leave

People who leave at the start sceen where you're finding players when everyone is the same class

I know there's an argument to be made but c'maaaahn, have faith, you don't need team balance. Right?

[faint beacon]

You don’t understand how much it pained me seeing the shit they’re adding in Slop Ops 6 as me being a fucking Huge Zombies Fan

[somber axle]

I don't mind them because I usually think they leave after inspecting my choice of aura, blitz, ability and weapons LOL

I run clown loadouts

[faint beacon]

Like I’m genuinely torn lmao

[somber axle]

Someone seeing me and not trusting what I bring to the table is fair

I'm sure some Psykers/Zealots see a Vet running Exe Stance/Smoke and go "this person is going to suck"

[lime gyro]

pre orders bad

[umbral garnet]

NOOOOOOOOO

WE HAVE A SPEEDRUN ZEALOT

[faint beacon]

HHA build

[faint beacon]

:((

[midnight totem]

See, you're a CoD fan. No sympathy!

[somber axle]

People love Voice of Command too much even on other classes

[midnight totem]

See, you're a CoD fan. No sympathy!

[lime gyro]

Smoke grenades are pretty nice if u know how to use them properly

You'll just need a good ogryn killing weapon

And maulers

[faint beacon]

HEY, I stuck with Zombies and zombies only since WAW cut me at least some slack

[somber axle]

I actively yearn for 4 Vet squads every time I play

Balance be damned

Let me relive Republic Commando

[lime gyro]

I do kasrkin commando instead

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-commando-squad-shadow-of-the-republic-star-wars-gif-21687089

[umbral garnet]

MOTHERFUCKER HAD THE AUDICATIY TO PING "THIS WAY" AS WE FIGHT FOR OUR LIVES

[faint beacon]

4 Vet team can either be really good or really bad it seriously just depends what they’re all running

[midnight totem]

4 vets all executioner stance

But no survivalist

[faint beacon]

If one runs smoke

[midnight totem]

[faint beacon]

Okay nvm

It’s over

[somber axle]

True but I love the Imperial Guard and it makes it feel more like a game about them instead of Penal Legion serving Inquisiton at least for a moment

[midnight totem]

You know what the difference is?

[midnight totem]

Between the guard and a penal legion

[lime gyro]

3 vets 1 brogryn best team

[umbral garnet]

Oh this guy

I am actively having an aneurysm.

[midnight totem]

The latter is more aware of their life expectancy. That's it

[faint beacon]

Yeah no that’s the best way to explain it

Penal legions know they’re going to die eventually

Guardsmen is more of “Am I lucky enough to survive”

[lime gyro]

For the most part yea very select few exceptions though like krieg and cadia and what not

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-secret-ingredient-is-crime-jbone666-mouthful-building-walking-the-street-gif-16400025

[somber axle]

When I changed my character through the personality scourge I made a straight laced Cadian just to see how that would change their story. It's really funny that their story became "an officer didn't like them and made up a crime about abandoning their post but the investigation found the officer's story didn't add up so despite the officer being wrong you still get sent to prison instead of being executed"

Do nothing wrong, officer is caught in the lie

Still punished

The true 40k way

Less funny than my original one where my character got sent to the penal legion for saying corpse starch tastes awful but still LMFAO

[hollow turtle]

Lol. Punished lightened. Instead of execution, imprisoned and recommended for repurposing as a servitor.

[somber axle]

Investigation turned up your innocence. Straight to jail.

[hollow turtle]

Which is actually ironically so much worse.

the corpse starch backstory is the yellow prison attire, right? 😆 I think I chose that too.

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember someone telling me that "average Guardsmen life expectancy" is a meme

[umbral garnet]

Correct, it's 2 hours.

[hollow turtle]

If you survive 2 hours, you're known as a veteran if I recall.

[umbral garnet]

Helldivers funnily enough have worse life expectancy. Being 2 minutes.

[hollow turtle]

Lol always timed those first time helldivers to see how long they'd survive.

7 minutes was the longest.

7 seconds was the shortest.

[umbral garnet]

That is

Impressive.

[sinful swallow]

7 seconds

[hollow turtle]

Lol to be fair, he just unfortunately dropped in front of a devastator patrol and got gunned down right out of the pod.

[last steppe]

listen, if the helldiver vet tells me to land on the hulk i'm landing on the damn hulk

a good soldier follows orders, or something like that

lmfao

and if i miss it was worth the try

[sinful swallow]

I hope space marine 2 is good

I never got on the helldiver hype, it doesn't scratch the itch I have

[somber axle]

No no I mean a meme as in it isn't actually anything more than a meme and isn't true to lore

For the particularly rough battlefields like battling Necrons, Orks, Tyranids, etc. that's probably closer to the truth

[umbral garnet]

I see.

[somber axle]

But a lot of Regiments are not engaged against any of those and are more engaged with chaos heretics

Fighting something on a more level playing field

[sleek garden]

is this heat or nah

[somber axle]

Space Marines on both sides of the board are more rare than they seem

[sleek garden]

if only the neck didnt clip

[somber axle]

I've read none of the books but I remember making the joke at someone who immediately stopped to explain to me that it isn't true LOL

[sinful swallow]

That sounds like a 40k fan

[sinful swallow]

I like it

Something always nice about a standard look

[sleek garden]

xbox randomly sent out a 5 dollar gift card so i went and bought some aquilas for the first time

[sinful swallow]

I've been thinking about the comms pack too

[sleek garden]

it is cool

[midnight totem]

alrighty, home, time to play

[sinful swallow]

What helms do vets have that have the modulated voice

[sleek garden]

any with a respirator i think

[midnight totem]

any with the lil icon next to them

[sinful swallow]

Most of those are just a muffle

[umbral garnet]

Like robot voice or muffled because there's two

[sinful swallow]

Robot voice

[faint beacon]

Any face covering I’ve noticed but it has a small icon on the top right

Scion

[umbral garnet]

I know of the scion helm and the one in store right now.

[faint beacon]

That’s the one with the robot voice

[umbral garnet]

The uhhh kasrkin helm

Even if it only uses a little cloth mask it oddly has that robot voice lol

[sleek garden]

the current auric maelstrom is the lasgun veterans dream

[slender lion]

Any websites or guides to find builds for Veteran?

[faint beacon]

Used to the Steel Legion and flak helm muffling everything

[shadow aurora]

Sniper gauntlet lights out?

Im not on rn

[umbral garnet]

Still love me my Steel Legion uniform.

[umbral garnet]

Games Lantern

[shadow dagger]

holy brick

[shadow aurora]

Reddit :)

[midnight totem]

its actually pretty good

except the blessings

[faint beacon]

For the Drip mod my beloved

[umbral garnet]

Very nice

[faint beacon]

That’s absolutely possible to save

Mercy Uncanny was it?

[junior needle]

Carapace is good

Mercy is an option if you dont mind taking a talent tax

[faint beacon]

Elite is also good more damage against crushers

[faint beacon]

EHHH????

[junior needle]

Change the blessings

Both of them

The perks can be left

Uncanny and something else of your choice, executor is not good on a mk3 though

[shadow dagger]

ill change it Later™️

[umbral garnet]

That new knife being able to kill crushers in literally under a second 💀

[shadow dagger]

[faint beacon]

I know of the Mk6s extremely quick crusher killing combo

Unsure about the MK3

[junior needle]

mk3 knife needs a buff

[umbral garnet]

Mk3 is simply outclassed by it.

It has its uses.

[junior needle]

worst clear time in the game

[umbral garnet]

Don't get me wrong.

[hollow turtle]

There's a new knife??

[umbral garnet]

Man, being able to two tap a crusher with a knife of all things just feels gross.

[junior needle]

mk6

newest knife

not exactly new

[hollow turtle]

Was there an update today that bypassed my radar?

[umbral garnet]

No, it's been around.

[shadow dagger]

"new"

its at least a few months old

[faint beacon]

Literally Mk6 is just, SA + L + PA + PA

[hollow turtle]

Huh.. Guess I must've been off playing another game.

[shadow dagger]

sa?

l is light, pa is push attack

[sinful swallow]

Sa dude

[umbral garnet]

It's quite literally Heavy Pa Pa

That's it

[iron marten]

SA = Special Attack

For the knives, it’s punch

[shadow dagger]

oh special

im trying to connect the dots in my head with an eraser or something

[sinful swallow]

Why are you punching a crusher lol

[iron marten]

Yeah, SA to LA combo is a strikedown for mk6

[sinful swallow]

Or is it to skip to l2

Yeah yeah

I gotcha now

[iron marten]

yee

[midnight totem]

also punch can proc serrated

[sinful swallow]

Brass knuckles when

[iron marten]

Fists are built different

[midnight totem]

and uncanny

[sinful swallow]

I want to swap to knife but the psword is just so much raw power

I find myself pushing into hordes because I'm clearing so fast it's like doom

[sleek garden]

i like the powersword but the slow movement and dodges feel bad

i use the catachan because i can still do okay single target and good crowd control

and also walk fast enough so that hordes dont envelope me

[faint beacon]

Rashad with BM fills that gap

It’s just

[sleek garden]

yeah but its boring

[faint beacon]

Rolling a good Rashad is your issue

[sleek garden]

and i dont think it should be able to do that

[faint beacon]

Lots of weapons with BM kinda just casually glide through enemies

Lesser horde trash at least

Specials not really

[junior needle]

BM is just a busted blessing on weapons that can actually hit bruiser breakpoints

[sinful swallow]

Catachan mk4 has a special place in my heart

[fleet thicket]

is this dogshit?

[sinful swallow]

But mk6 just instagibbing crushers is too hard to give up

[fleet thicket]

cuz only 60% charge rate

[tall torrent]

no

swap infernus and unarmored dmg

[fleet thicket]

even with 60% charge?

[tall torrent]

infernus -> surgical
unarmored -> elite

[tall torrent]

not the end of the world

[fleet thicket]

yeah

its like .05 second difference XD

[sinful swallow]

It'll be nullified by weight of fire

[fleet thicket]

btw

how come no one uses mark 1?

@sinful swallow

i only seen mark 2 and 3

[sinful swallow]

Mark 2 has insane rate of fire while hitting great breakpoints

3 has meme one shot crusher build

1 is honestly the 3 without crusher one shots but a god rolled 2 is one of the best guns in the game

[somber axle]

Tbh the difference between 60% and 80% is probably negligible for the Mk I especially with Weight of Fire once you get stacks going. That will be a very good Helbore to use

[sinful swallow]

Mk1 id recommend over the 3 because the bayonet is usable

The 3 got a dongwater bayonet for some reason

[fleet thicket]

i am so sad for that one

like who uses beyonet as a slashing weapon

like seruously?

might aswell stick a curved sword at the end XD

[terse idol]

it depends on the bayonett

[last parcel]

AND MY AX

[terse idol]

You could slash with at least two of these

[grim widget]

what is the closest the plasma gun has to a dump stat?

[sinful swallow]

Charge

[fleet thicket]

you bettter off taking two of those

and use them as actual weapon in close quaters XD

[sinful swallow]

If it didn't have the initial delay, fine

But the delay is so long for unimpressive damage lol

I went into vet wanting to use a hellbore initially before bolter sucked me back

Hadron blessed with a natural 25% flak+maniac and surgical 4

[somber axle]

I feel like a perfect roll Mk II is one of the strongest weapons in the game up there with Plasma, Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun

The speed and power is unreal

Plus as a clown I built mine to 2HKO Crushers

[sinful swallow]

Exec stance gang RISE

[somber axle]

Love Exe Stance Mk II Helbore

Or really any Lasgun tbh

And Boltguns

And Headhunter Autoguns...

so many good choices

[sinful swallow]

I wish I had one more point to get highlights for allies comfortably on the boltgun build

[somber axle]

Smoke + Exe Stance + Squad Highlight is my personal dream

I don't use it often but I love the combo so much

[sinful swallow]

It's just a feelsgoodman

And you know everyone appreciates it because blowing up an outlined enemy is dopamine

[hearty panther]

yea smoke stance is fun but

so expensive

[midnight totem]

alrighty, anybody wanna play a game?

[last parcel]

aw hell naw i ain't fucking with that jigsaw sounding shit

[fleet thicket]

im gonna be honest

i dont like

surgical with that other blesing

i think im gonna go no repsite

[sinful swallow]

Understandable, more damage

[fleet thicket]

cuz they counter each other from waht i realised

[sinful swallow]

Surgical puts the tug of war of stacks vs firepower in your head

I leave it on though so I can choose infinite ammo mode whenever I want

[abstract moth]

Guys best blessings for plasma would be, gets hot and blaze away right?

[sinful swallow]

Yes

[abstract moth]

Cool

[junior needle]

Gets hot and either blaze or gloryhunter, I think glory is better

[sinful swallow]

Glory let's you get a 550

[sinful swallow]

Here's to hoping the bolt pistol doesn't get outperformed by revolver it's whole life

[mystic urchin]

Which power sword is considered the best one?

[junior needle]

mk6

[mystic urchin]

Thanks. I wanted to give one a try.

What blessings should I try for?

[coral willow]

power cycler is a must

and then sunder or brutal momentum

[mystic urchin]

Thanks man

What do you think for perks? Flak and maniac?

[uncut pebble]

It will hopefully be a sidegrade. Slightly worse damage for greater ammo capacity.

[midnight totem]

Thanks for jinxing it

[midnight totem]

Manic for mutie one shots, and better performance against ragers

Unarmored can get you one shot heavy swings against dredge gunners, and make unpowered attacks funny, I don't recommend it but if you have nothing else, its passable

Elite is the goal

Carapace to enable mauler and crusher two taps

[sinful swallow]

Iirc doesn't power cycler 4 and elite with brutal momentum also get you 2 taps

[midnight totem]

Not nearly for crushers I don't think

[sinful swallow]

Assuming superiority and 30% weakspot talent right

[bitter turtle]

You don't need carapace

It just makes it easier

Less talents needed on tree

[midnight totem]

Or maybe there's another reason I run bring it down, I don't remember

[wide pike]

tfw you ping a monstrosity and your teams kills it without you having to throw a grenade

[midnight totem]

alright, only elite superiority and no elite on sword is actually, barely just short of two tapping a crusher

so you need elite or carapace on sword in conjunction with most melee talents and elite superiority or bring it down to two tap a crusher

[somber axle]

What about Desperado on a Power Sword

[bitter turtle]

Realistically are you actually ever going to run a build without botu superiority complex and bring it down

Where did your points even go at that point

[coral willow]

i use one

[coral willow]

2 million points in vets melee tree probably

there are some good ones but yknow

same reason i drop iron will

which is reallllllly bad for survival but hey

[somber axle]

Well

That build will at least have very good toughness regen

LMFAO

[unique orchid]

i have the most goofy ahh ass build

this with a knife, %40 HP, and a Mg 1a lasgun

[bitter turtle]

no precision strikes

knife

but why

[radiant chasm]

It’s goofy aaa

[unique orchid]

hmm, yknow i really could uncheck desparado and then get that instead thats way smarter

this is the reason i post my shit lmao, they're weird and often just have certain questionable perks i can change real easy to be way better

[bitter turtle]

theres a lot of questionable shit

[unique orchid]

hell for the longest i didnt realize rending strikes was goated

[bitter turtle]

but i was just starting with that

[unique orchid]

i am a questionable man

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/slice-execute-admiral-leader-admiral-general-aladeen-gif-21000868

[unique orchid]

slight changes

[bitter turtle]

do you really need shocktrooper and survivalist both

[unique orchid]

it keeps my ammo econ super nice so everyone else can have the ammo and i only need like, a tin or two

[midnight totem]

I am using desperado

[somber axle]

1HKO Crusher push attack

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/414b5192e9f4e465ba044c6c25a1281c.png

imo

[midnight totem]

infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

i play infiltrate

and i dont know how you would manage to a do a build that avoids both of those nodes

while being remotely decent

[shadow urchin]

Veteran has so many nodes. Kinda jealous, ngl

[midnight totem]

lemme make my build for you

[shadow urchin]

I wish I had that many nodes.

But alas, I am nodeless

[unique orchid]

Vet is the Jack of All Trades class, they're designed to fit all niches to a degree

[unique orchid]

it's a solid opinion and i see the vision

i am gonna stick with what im doing, but i definitely see it, thank you my boy

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/not-at-all-boy-sponge-bob-squarepants-smell-gif-14439448

[wide pike]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-gif-27568079

[last parcel]

you took bring it down

[midnight totem]

yeah, but not elite superiority

[bitter turtle]

yes

im saying

how can you avoid both of them simultaenosuly

and still have a decent build

[midnight totem]

Oh! I'm not avoiding them both simultaneously

[bitter turtle]

youa re always gonna be taking 1 probably

yes that's my point

so running elite is good enough

you dont need cara

on any realistic build its just not necessary

[midnight totem]

thats what I said

[bitter turtle]

welkl fuck you too then

:(

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[midnight totem]

Whoa

no fornication in my pure Holy Emperor vet chat

[last parcel]

open wide

[wide pike]

oil up

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-aale-eels-gif-21495081

[wide pike]

eels!

[midnight totem]

No, you the bottom here Backup. Let me show you my heavy bolter

[wide pike]

IM GONNA HEAVY FLAME ALL OVER YOU LIL VRO

[midnight totem]

i showed you my heavy bolter pls respond

[north raptor]

keep wrath and maniac? get flak and rampage?

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-cute-stare-pose-cute-gif-11453709685647045861

Do you think Ogryn will ever get something like that

[midnight totem]

I wish

[bitter turtle]

man

i just made this for no reason

https://i.gyazo.com/e1b88b6fabb6a31915f66e4139ba55e5.png

[midnight totem]

... those kaleidoscopeish eyes are kinda freaky ngl

[bitter turtle]

i should prolly take a break

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-angry-sword-headbutt-warden-gif-5381793590581139393

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ragatha-digital-circus-die-meme-gif-2988649374591928291

Oops wrong channel

[midnight totem]

man I miss playing For Honor

[eager ruin]

Yo I got a pretty good rashad axe for my vet, need to change thrust to headtaker 4 and one of the perk. Which one should I change, thinking change elite to unarmored?

[tall torrent]

I'd suggest maniac to unarmored

maniac doesn't do that much for veteran's rashad

[sinful swallow]

That's a juicy axe

I need to build one sometime again I've only got a head3

I'm still stockpiling for bolt pistol and pickaxe

[midnight totem]

Alrighty

Who wants to review my shitty Tech Adept ideas

[sinful swallow]

Sure

[midnight totem]

The Tech Adept

The Tech Adept is one of the lowest cogs in the hierarchy of the Mechanicus. Essentially, you're a reject who has an affinity for tech stuff, meaning you probably know which way to screw something in with a wrench, and know the universal word for activation of a weapon. (its "Fire").

The Tech Adept features a custom "backpack" with a mechanical "arm" coming out of it. The arm features two bits on it that are visually different according to which blitz and ability the Tech Adept has. Maybe even a specific color glow according to what aura too.

Blitzes -

Servo-Arm Strike: The Tech Adept strikes an AoE infront of him up to eight meters away with their Servo-Arm, knocking down enemies or staggering bosses.

Servo-Arm Sweep: The Tech Adept strikes an AoE infront of him up to eight meters away with their Servo-Arm, knocking down enemies or staggering bosses. All targets struck take six stacks of Brittle. This skill is an Upgrade to Servo-Arm Strike.

Upgrade Nodes allow the Tech Adept to store an extra charge of Sweep, or to set targets struck on fire with five stacks of fire.

Supercharged Las-Shot: The Tech Adept possesses a lasweapon of uncommon, custom power on their Servo-Arm. Very precise and deadly, it discharges a beam with high cleave and damage. Goes through Bulwark Shields. High finesse modifier and cooldown. Reduced damage to Unyielding.

Upgrade Nodes allow the Tech Adept to reduce CD through melee elite/specialist kills, or halves CD at 75 percent of the original damage.

Anti Personnel Mines: The Tech Adept tosses down a spread of anti-personnel mines. These mines knock down in a small Area of Effect, and targets struck by the mines take six stacks of bleed.

Upgrade Nodes allow the mines to give up bleed to inflict high damage instead, or inflict slow on the enemy.

I have to admit, I'm not happy with the third blitz idea

kinda lost steam there and tossed something together

[abstract moth]

Guys how does sustained fire actually work, like do I keep the damage buff after the 3d and 4th shots or is only for those 2 shots?

[midnight totem]

only for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th shots

[abstract moth]

Ah okay, yeah I'll avoid that

[distant girder]

We need powerfists for the veteran

[somber axle]

Longlas please

Give me a scoped weapon

Left 4 Dead did scoped ranged weapons in a 4 player coop shooter where almost all combat happens in close range/melee range

it could work here

[coral willow]

points at scout from l4d2

or awp

both didnt work

that much

having a scoped weapon isnt the breaker here having a slow firerate weapon(close to 60rpm) that can only kill like 2 enemies at every fire is

annnd it needs to fight with plasma

plasma is in similar grounds but with pre-charge and a heat mechanic
it stops everything by having large mag size, having every bonus known to man and overall easy and strong weapon to use

what will longlas be, is the problem

[dapper agate]

Bleed grenades are always hilarious when a massive group of ragers show up, they get deleted so fast while I hold block.

[tall torrent]

High innate crit chance, high finesse, better ammo economy, functions somewhere between Helbore & plasma

[coral willow]

hope it does this

problem is we have a thing called mg12 so

idk how that'll play out

[tall torrent]

MG12 is the worst 1 tap gun in the game rn

Long las would be much higher Dmg than that

It needs to match scab sniper’s lethality, basically

[dapper agate]

Long Las would have to hit like a truck to be worth taking.

[tall torrent]

It needs to either delete the enemy u hit in 1 shot, or do so much dmg they have to think twice before fighting u again

[junior needle]

One can only assume longlas will have surgical, so high innate crit chance won't really be necessary

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t be opposed to longlas being able to 1 shot mutant on headshot

[dapper agate]

2000 damage bodyshots, can 1hit headshot crushers, has loads of pen, but it has pretty limited ammo and low fire rate.

[tall torrent]

It should also cleave a bit
Not that much cleave, somewhere like 3~4 would be enough imo

At most 4.5 or smth

[coral willow]

most importantly needs to fight with a plasma

[coral willow]

we arent carrying a lascannon here

[dapper agate]

Give Ogryn Lascannon

[tall torrent]

Better ammo economy, better monster dmg, easier & better 1 shot breakpoints
And most importantly, significantly higher style points

[coral willow]

now thats a idea i can get behind

style goes out of the window for now

[tall torrent]

I more or less only care about longlas if they’re gonna do new ranged weapons for veteran

Volley hotshot is cool but I feel longlas would be much more playstyle & meta defining

[coral willow]

unless it straight has better DPS than the plasma(which isnt a lot but still) it could suffer a bit

if its gonna be a no pre-charge hellbore(3) onslaught could throw it off

[tall torrent]

Not having slow draw or that bayonet slash already makes it better
Plus it’ll have optics if they actually make it

[somber axle]

I used the hunting rifle pretty religiously and favored it vs shotguns

If someone struggled with a scoped weapon in L4D2 I call skill issue

[coral willow]

i feel like its gonna have a long drawtime, or at least on par with plasma so fast one i guess

[coral willow]

hunting rifle is great
problem is thats more close to like, vraks 7

which works similar if you have ammo for it

[tall torrent]

Scab sniper’s longlas has a sling so it shouldn’t be that slow to draw imo

[somber axle]

Hunting Rifle had cleave didn't it? Shoot one head, the next head behind it popped too iirc

[tall torrent]

I also want it to be different from Helbore

Maybe smth like

[somber axle]

We don't have a rifle like that outside of Helbores

And those also do not have scopes

[tall torrent]

Very high crit chance (high base crit chance + surgical)
But not actually that much ammo to work with, so you’re forced to take shock trooper

[somber axle]

Scoped weapons work give them to me

[coral willow]

was thinking of like flamer level of pulling otu, hellbore is way too slow

[tall torrent]

Flamer’s draw speed is also very slow

[somber axle]

Any Vet who goes scoped in and dies to scab bruisers sneaking up behind to spank them is the equivalent of a Smiteker and we have a new meme to laugh at

[coral willow]

i think its bit faster than a hellbore but that might be my imagination

[somber axle]

Tunnel vision to death

[coral willow]

anyway very long clunky gun=longer to pull out

its probably gonna be even longer than hellbores

[tall torrent]

That hasn’t been the case in DT in a while lol

[junior needle]

longlas would be much more boring given there's plenty of options that already fill that kind of niche

[coral willow]

i know but still

[junior needle]

Whereas there's no giga LMG on vet and certainly no lasgun equivalent

[coral willow]

we dont talk about recon

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s staves are bigger than every gun and they draw them fast
Boltgun takes somewhere like 2.8s base draw time

[somber axle]

Idk if Fatshark cares about that rule. Boltgun has a long swap speed. Plasma is pretty much instant. They're both big, heavy and clunky but one is not balanced around that realism

[junior needle]

Those don't exist

[somber axle]

Unironically give us Hellguns though please

[coral willow]

thought plasma was less heavier than bolters so it made sense, just that plasma was very overtuned on swapspeed

...and everything else really but still

[junior needle]

Fatshark has made the incredibly bad game design decision of balancing guns with jank

[tall torrent]

Plasma just needs uncharged cleave nerf

[junior needle]

Even if it's stupid

Hence why bolter is jank

[somber axle]

Try sprinting or dodging with a Plasma and compare that to dodging with a Laspistol. They cared to represent the gun's affect on your mobility in other areas just not weapon swap speed

[coral willow]

i think it deservers that but only for charged lol

[coral willow]

im definitely waiting for dodge 1 gun yes

[tall torrent]

Charged shots need a buff if anything

There’s no reason to use charged shots for plasma rn

Genuinely none

[coral willow]

just nerf plasma regular shot ammo cost down to 4 and suddenly chargeshot is way more ammo efficient for damage

[somber axle]

Plasma/Power Sword is the equivalent of Dark Souls fat rolling for mobility's sake LOL

[tall torrent]

Not exactly because uncharged still cleave 100

Uncharged cleave needs nerf

[coral willow]

i run mobility 9 shotgun annnd so gun mobility kinda never catch up with me

[tall torrent]

Just because u take a bit more ammo to use uncharged doesn’t make charged magically better

They still are far less efficient against vast majority of enemies

[somber axle]

Recons feel really good to sprint and dodge with imo

I love speed

[coral willow]

better damage per ammo, from 3x ammo to 2.6x damage down to like 2.25x ammo for 2.6x damage

it shouldnt be always go for chargeshot imho

[tall torrent]

Think again when the vast majority of enemies u shoot die in 1~2 uncharged shots

Gunners, flamers, bomber & trappers die in 1 shot

Ragers take 2

Mauler takes somewhere between 2~3

The vast majority of them are simply unaffected by this sudden change of “charged shots having better ammo efficiency” because they don’t have enough health to care about that change

You’re not going to use charged shots for any of these targets besides mauler

Cleave is the far more pronounced problem for uncharged shots, not the ammo consumption

[coral willow]

it shouldn't. if it goes back to the days of only use charged shots cause its superior then its still a bad gun vut in reversed

[tall torrent]

Then you didn’t really change anything besides plasma taking a bit more ammo to use

Because charged shots still aren’t worth it

If ur goal is to make charged shots worth using more then this is a fail

[coral willow]

so one never shoots at crushers got it

[tall torrent]

You can, you’re still only looking at 9 vs 12 ammo use against a very specific enemy that shows up maybe 30 times in a regular mission
Compare that to the other 200 spawn instances of gunners & specialists where charged shots aren’t relevant

Besides, charged shots actually require u to sacrifice a perk to get a headshot 1 tap

Shooting them 3 times in the head doesn’t

[coral willow]

even if the thing's cleave gets to nerfed into like zarona, people will still use that cleave to kill the same amount of special that comes in packs
maulers maybe, but it wont change for the other

so same logic here

[tall torrent]

You’re also wrong in this case because Zarona cleave actually gets blocked by quite a few enemies

You can’t go through more than 2 gunners

A single scab rager blocks it entirely

You can’t go through more than 2 dreg ragers

[coral willow]

goes through 3 shotgunners from my experience

[tall torrent]

It’s still very good cleave but not as ridiculous as “I point it at the enemy and it’ll hit regardless of what’s between us”

[tall torrent]

Because shotgunner is 2 mass

U can literally go on gameslantern and look up what enemies’ mass are

[coral willow]

right then

[tall torrent]

The moment higher mass enemies are involved, Zarona doesn’t go through a lot of them

[coral willow]

so shooting a charged shot(worth to 3 shot of normal shot) to a chain of 6 gunners would still do the same if it had zarona's pen?

guess thats a nerf to get more strict use yea

[tall torrent]

Why would u shoot a charged shot at gunners in the first place

[coral willow]

so the example still doesnt make people go for charged often? seems redundant then

[tall torrent]

With a much lower cleave value it means if you have to hit something much deeper behind a wave of high mass enemies, you have to use charged shots

Vs scab ragers for example

That’s practical application

Gunners won’t matter much because:

1. They don’t line up enough (they do line up, but not to the extent where 6 will line up for u to 1 tap all of them at once)
2. They’re not very high mass so the cleave loss isn’t as pronounced

[dapper agate]

If they do add a Tech Adept ( I really hope they do), I have a few ideas for what the ults could be.

1. Combat Servitor: Follows you around, is tanky, good at melee by default, can be upgraded to have an additional weapon, like heavy bolters, flamers, dual claw arms, also can be upgraded with extra durability, attack/reload speed and an aura, F key lets you set a combat stance between defensive and offensive which basically changes the AI behavior and grants a attack or defence buff to the servitor (and allies with an upgrade). If he dies another one will automatically come to your location after a few minutes. He does have quite a lot of health sitting at 1200, but unlike players he can't dodge and only blocks attacks (really good stamina), also has 300 toughness, so pretty hard to kill, durability upgrade gives a 25% boost to both of these stats. Can't be revived.

2. Void shield, basically what the boss captain enemies get, except it functions like Warrior Priests shield where you can put it on yourself or an ally, has multiple upgrades, such as: being able to shield yourself and an ally at the same time, an upgrade that bounces some amount of ranged attacks back at the attacker and finally an upgrade that tases all nearby enemies whenever the shield activates/deactivates. Shield lasts for 8 seconds by default, but every upgrade reduces its uptime by 1 second due to the extra energy usage, so spamming all the upgrades does have a downside. 40 second cooldown.

3. HED (Heretic Eradication Device), produces gammar rays when activated, however these rays are specially coded to only damage Nurgle afflicted subjects (i.e bullshit sci-fi reason a field of deadly radiation doesn't affect yourself or allies). Basically when you activate your ult, for 10 seconds a field of radiation will surround you and slowly damage enemies nearby, node upgrades can increase DPS, effect radius, add burn stacks, shockwave (like vet shout) on activation. 40 second cooldown.

[coral willow]

ive killed 4~6 gunners in a volley that was coming
honestly i dont remember rager packs that much, might be thats why gujner swarms that are lined are more memoravle to me

[tall torrent]

Good for u but it’s not frequent enough to be notable imo

[coral willow]

possibly

[tall torrent]

Usually you get somewhere like 2~4 lining up at best

6 is some miracle timing

[coral willow]

least with lowered pen bulwarks specifically require charged probably if that gets nerfed in that way

[tall torrent]

No, you just shouldn’t shoot bulwarks with plasma now

Takes like 5 shots

Incredibly ammo inefficient

[coral willow]

2 shots to the head opens them still

[tall torrent]

1 shot to head does

But u still need to bait for an opening

[coral willow]

so

[tall torrent]

In most cases

[coral willow]

no

through the head

[tall torrent]

It’s just better to go for melee

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t

[rigid pilot]

Plasma goes through shield?

[tall torrent]

You literally just can’t stagger bulwark from front with plasma anymore

[coral willow]

ive opened bulwarks from far

[tall torrent]

Where their shields are front facing u?

[coral willow]

..yes

[tall torrent]

Record it

If u can’t replicate it, it’s not effective

[coral willow]

might be some stupid luck then

[tall torrent]

Prob they’re in the process of turning and it looked like shield was facing u

But actually wasn’t

In any case

Inconsistent

[coral willow]

looks like it was luck then

[somber axle]

I feel like I'm going insane because I have distinct memories of firing Plasma into Bulwark shield and killing them through it without needing to stagger them

[somber axle]

I need to record it in the Psykanium when I get home

[coral willow]

oh yeah you can shoot the shitty heads that might've happened

[tall torrent]

Takes 5 shots

[coral willow]

fun

[somber axle]

Uncharged or Charged?

[tall torrent]

Uncharged

[coral willow]

there

[somber axle]

TIME FOR CLOWN SCIENCE WHEN I GET HOME...

[tall torrent]

Can u record it

[rigid pilot]

If you are max height maybe you can clip their heads above the shield

Max height plus jump

[tall torrent]

I think ik where ur aiming at

[coral willow]

its literally just hit their small head over the shield after the shield size nerf

[tall torrent]

It’s still mad inconsistent in practice

[coral willow]

eh

[rigid pilot]

When they are walking towards you their shields move, also the shield blocks more the closer they are

[coral willow]

might be that then

bolters kinda died on bulwarks now

[tall torrent]

I still think cleave is the far bigger problem for plasma than ammo

Charged doesn’t need to be a thing u want to do all the time

It should just be a situational “I should use this against these enemies in these scenarios”

[coral willow]

possibly. i think cleave contributes to the uniqueness of the firearm and it should be preserved, but nerfed in a way that it should promote careful shots instead of blaze way shoot 8 and cool down

[tall torrent]

Instead of never doing it

[tall torrent]

It can still have high cleave

I think nerfing it to smth like 7.5 is ok

It’d still be the highest ranged cleave for gun

[coral willow]

whooo

[tall torrent]

7.5 is so that it doesn’t go through more than 2 Dreg ragers or gunners

And u can’t go through scab ragers or maulers

Or mutants

[coral willow]

gets easier if you sit on top of something i guess

[tall torrent]

Yea with some terrain height lifting it’s more doable
But in practice with like 2 bulwarks pushing front on usually even terrain (or worse if they’re descending down stairs) it’s a lot less practical

[coral willow]

charged still doing shit damage compared to normal is the issue for me

used 3x ammo and less than 2x

[tall torrent]

If that’s ur problem there’s a simpler solution

[bitter turtle]

very

practical

[tall torrent]

Make a new blessing for plasma

Every 1% heat translates to 0.5 / 1/ 1.5 / 2% ranged power on charged shots only

At 60% heat that gives charged shots 120% more power

Lore accurate plasma gun

[coral willow]

sounds nice until every reddit nerds cry about in the forums about new blessing farming is fucked

maybe thats why they never add new blessings

[tall torrent]

Plasma doesn’t have a big blessing pool anyways

[coral willow]

i hope they do after itemization

[tall torrent]

If the goal is to make charges shots fun, this is a pretty good way to do it imo

High heat makes charged shots significantly deadlier but you have to ride the line between risk and reward

Go too high and u blow up

[coral willow]

now make a blessing that makes parry worth a while on crusher overheads

jk

[bitter turtle]

new idea

[coral willow]

anyway, that might work

[bitter turtle]

plasma takes 10 plasteel to shoot

[coral willow]

im just salty that plasma charged shot arent as ammo efficient or damage heavy

[tall torrent]

Call it hyperthermia or smth

[rigid pilot]

Nerf plasma lmb and force players to charge

[coral willow]

i forget that plasma cant pen ogryns

[tall torrent]

It can

Just not carapace Armor

[coral willow]

either than or reaper hitmass is just fucked

[tall torrent]

Reaper is 12.5 mass

Plasma is 100 cleave

Unless Ogryns are just coded as non-cleave-able

[rigid pilot]

I'm pretty sure there's some hardcoded stuff in there

[coral willow]

nvm

shooting on the arm

seems to make it not cleave

zero idea why

so dont shoot ogryns sideways

[bitter turtle]

cara armor

on limbs

prolly

[coral willow]

former didnt pen on arm and latter penned on broadside

ok ogryn arms might be just

invincible to pen

[tall torrent]

Built different

[coral willow]

its fine when its a body hit

[last parcel]

smh can't believe fartshart fucked up the executioner's stance description again

[midnight totem]

Heresy

[coral willow]

like how selecting this avbilityt locks all oter abilities is fine

[midnight totem]

I got distracted, and didn't post my abilities section myself xD

My three abilities for a tech adept were:

Autogun Sentry: real original, I know. Highly resistant to gunfire, but not enemy melee, so you'll have to position it well, or guard it against melee so it can do it's work

Good damage, nodes for faster fire rate and more stagger on shots, or durability and when it gets destroyed it goes off like a grenade

Blessing: just an activated spell to give the whole team a stat boost. Damage, attack speed, toughness damage reduction, the works

Nodes for increased duration, or, the passive ability for all stems used to apply to allies in coherency

Yes even medstims

My third ability idea was kinda iffy. Figured if i do something related to mechanicus electro priests

[winter grove]

Same energy as

[crimson pebble]

Thoughts on build for colomnus and power sword

[last parcel]

i was thinking

[coral willow]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[last parcel]

is it time for your afternoon nap

https://tenor.com/view/spazcat-kissy-nibby-spazycat-belly-gif-8364926603406280986

[odd sparrow]

Personally id remove all the lower right perks to get confirmed kill and iron will. In my opinion the survivability increase from those two perks far exceeds the value of that slight damage increase of that extra rending

[rigid pilot]

False

[snow cypress]

Guys is Zarona revolver with gloryhunter a good choose for vet toughness generator build?

I kinda dislike plasma gun

[coral willow]

just get gloryhunter on plasma

zarona usually goes by surgical + handcannon

[snow cypress]

yeah ik I use it in my stealth build

[snow cypress]

btw,max lvl is 4,no?

[last parcel]

yes

[snow cypress]

I only get lvl 3 gloryhunter

;_;

[trim hemlock]

I wouldn’t go for brittleness from Onslaught, it’s not really worth it if you have other means of dealing with Crushers, and since you have the PS, you do, so there is some redundancy there. You are missing Iron Will, which will be the end of you on an Exec Stance-based build, and you also may lack in toughness replenishment in general with this build.

[coral willow]

2.5% diff wont make any cut

you have 5 10 15 20 20 inspiring barrage autopistol if you really hate that

[snow cypress]

I can try it

I'll give an opportunity to plasma

again

[elder fiber]

Its okay to just not enjoy plasma

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/suboptimal-unideal-suboptimal-unideal-suboptimal-and-unideal-gif-15894275619341382373

tbh its fine

gloryhunter zarona can work

[last parcel]

if you’re gonna meme with inspiring barrage, just go all the way and pair it with gloryhunter bolter

[somber axle]

Ok

I tested it

You can absolutely 1HKO a Bulwark through their shield

recording soon

(I mean with Plasma btw)

[last parcel]

haha loyal fools cant hurt me throo ma shie-

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[somber axle]

I didn't even use Blaze Away

I used my meme Max Charge Rate + Volatile Plasma gun

ok I think gyazo links are broken now and don't embed here LOL

but I can still share the vids

spammed shots into the floor to get crit chance up from Gets Hot because it does require a crit to do it

this is what I used for the initial test

I did not have to do Redirect Fire cheese

without a crit it misses the 1HKO through shield

meme gun for reference

going to see how much damage I can drop while still maintaining the 1HKO

[umbral scaffold]

is deadshot a trap or worth using

[somber axle]

both

[umbral scaffold]

aha fair

[somber axle]

it's a trap for people who spray shots until stamina runs empty because it provides no benefit with 0 stam but it's worth on certain builds imo

[umbral scaffold]

might pass it up for something better then

[somber axle]

I'd really only take it on Lasguns to make them extra silly for Shock Trooper

Helbores become infinite ammo guns

It extends your ammo economy WAY beyond any other gun in the game (unless you use it on a Recon which helps it perform better on ammo economy compared to Infantry Autoguns even if it overall does less damage)

Helbores and Infantry Lasguns benefit most

[umbral scaffold]

i shamefully really love columnus

[somber axle]

Laspistols can also use it to very strong effect

It works on Columnus Infantry Autogun too

The tricky bit is managing stam since that gun's fire rate will empty your stam bar fast

I use Focus Target + Target Down, Duck and Dive, triple stam curios (+3 stam on each for total +9) and the +1 stam talent node under Confirmed Kill to extend the stamina for use on automatic weapons but I am a clown so

that's probably not a good idea

LOL

[coral willow]

you really want some kind of stamina regen

cause it sucks without it

[somber axle]

tbh I've made Helbores feel like they have infinite stam for Deadshot when just spam pinging Focus Target + Target Down in Aurics

it just doesn't run out of ammo so long as you're pinging targets you kill frequently

Target Down is just really, really strong for supporting Deadshot gameplay

also LMFAO I found out the Bulwark 1HKO on Plasma is actually a pretty tight breakpoint to hit without Blaze Away

[umbral scaffold]

i feel like I'd be better off with something else maybe

[rigid pilot]

Do you need Deadshot on helbores that oneshot stuff anyway

[somber axle]

yeah it's not worth on the Columnus Infantry Autogun imo

[somber axle]

I use it to combo with Surgical to have constant high crit chance

it makes firing into entire packs of gunners/shotgunners/ragers/maulers/crushers a lot easier

I can kinda just ignore reloading

never ending lasgun

[rigid pilot]

Understandable

[somber axle]

The extra +25% crit from Deadshot paired with base crit and Surgical pushes it to pretty frequent crits

[coral willow]

wonder if longlas will even have a surgical since it will probably have to note itself about shocktrooper existing

[last parcel]

deadshot mkiii helbore for the bodyshot memes

the ole circumcision shot

[coral willow]

if it crits every shot then its literally infinite and can make very op secnarios even if it means nothing

[somber axle]

ok wow this is wild

tested without various talents throughout the Vet tree

Plasma seems like it only does 1HKO on Bulwarks through their shield if you literally run EVERYTHING short of Agile Engagement if you don't use Blaze Away

however the more interesting thing I realised is that Exe Stance + Plasma pops open shields in one shot

shield broken into stagger on one charged shot

you need 2 uncharged shots to force a stagger through shield

if it doesn't instantly die, you've staggered it so the follow up strike is ezpz

[last parcel]

i always miss the follow up

[somber axle]

the last attempt was with everything except 8 stack Focus Target

[last parcel]

what about redirect fire

[umbral scaffold]

is this useful

[elder fiber]

its good if you want to make it harder for other players to land headshots while you magdump in their general direction

[uncut pebble]

Yesn't. The people with accuracy on your team will not enjoy missing because you're mag dumping in random directions. Only really worth if for some reason you struggle with gangs of shotgunners/gunners. Shotguns work great with it, though. Keeps heads down while you close the remaining distance.

[drifting oak]

90% of the time it actively trolls you and your team

10% of the time you ACTUALLY need suppression over killing power in the hsort term (gunner/shotgun squad bulk spawns, often on events where like 6+ elites and 15+ trash gunners all instantly pop out of a door)

[uncut pebble]

Absolutely hate it when fatshark decides to do that.

"Oh, you're performing relatively well? 15 gunners in an area with no cover."

If you lack a veteran with the suppression immunity talent or your zealout isn't running sunstorms, thats gonna be painful to deal with.

[umbral scaffold]

fair enough

i genuinely wasnt sure tho

[uncut pebble]

Yeah just don't.

Not worth angering your entire team over when its only usage is covering a skill issue.

[umbral scaffold]

im a certified "let my team have fun" enjoyer so I shall not be picking it

[agile forge]

A few other answers for it too, but yeah

[uncut pebble]

Those are just the easiest things that came to mind.

The other thing I could currently think of is an ogryn with stamina curios and a slab shield.

[agile forge]

Ogrynheimer, psyker shield, assail or brain rupture, stealth abilities on vet or zealot

Stealth zealot eats gunners for breakfast

[uncut pebble]

Right, right, blades of faith aren't actually a meme because you can throw them without breaking stealth.

[agile forge]

Blades of faith are fucking lit tbh

[uncut pebble]

Would be a lot nicer to have both an equip and quick throw function for them.

[agile forge]

G being the default button sucks but apart from that

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, there's a lot of special functions I wish I could assign to specific buttons.

Like, my special activation key is F, but I wish I could set helbore bayonets specifically to one of my mouse buttons.

Kind of hard to sacrifice dodging right to stab something with my bayonet.

Gotta roll with the punches until fatshark decides alt keybinds should exist.

[coral willow]

wait what

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, you can throw blades of faith without breaking your stealth.

Kind of nuts for dealing with gangs of gunners.

[coral willow]

tbh never hse stelf so makes sense

[uncut pebble]

One of my buddies insists on running stealth zealout, she will see the group of 1-2 reapers and 3-4 dreg gunners and drop all the gunners with blades of faith.

Then stab a reaper in the face with her knife.

[coral willow]

i dont think loner's bad i just think stelf is kinda worse than the charge for majority of situations

[uncut pebble]

Loner is... something.

I never use it, personally.

I will burn my talent points to grab emperor's benediction instead.

I will not be using the corruption cleansing aura.

If it was capable of cleansing past the current wound, I'd consider it, but otherwise it isn't worth.

[coral willow]

its good

current wound heal would be broken

like zealot with that just means there will be no downs that count toward you getting closer to your doom

[uncut pebble]

I didn't say it healed you, I said if it cleansed past the current wound, it would be better.

[coral willow]

heal=cleanse current wound is the current game's algorithm so idk how it'd work

[uncut pebble]

But as it stands, people don't run wound curios, so they go down once and suddenly your aura is made useless.

[coral willow]

for what its worth imho its a good pick but it doesnt habe revanant or the melee stun immunity above it

[coral willow]

..???

[uncut pebble]

This is true. Holy revenant is huge.

[uncut pebble]

People do not run wound curios. This makes the mileage of the aura great until they go down. Pretty simple to understand.

But where are you getting mass corruption without fully corrupting that wound aside from a beast of nurgle puking on you?

[coral willow]

imho its for preventing poxburster corrouption/poxwalker corruption cleansing
it can prevent some random vet with half-filled first corrouption, gets blasted by a poxburster the burst goes over the first wound so it instakills the vet
if you had a aura that heals corruption he would go down, but not dead

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, no, just don't get blown up on by a poxburster.

Not that hard.

[coral willow]

say that to no noise ones and ones that snap you on corners

[uncut pebble]

If you've got working ears, that is.

[coral willow]

its great that this game has quiet specials

[uncut pebble]

Daemonhosts are far worse for being unable to hear.

That's why I use the spidey sense mod.

[coral willow]

daemonhosts arent problem for hearing

[uncut pebble]

I've literally had them be inaudible.

No whispers, no buzz buzz buzz, nothing.

[coral willow]

you can hear them from a mile away, just that you cant tell shit from it being in front of you or actually a mile away

[uncut pebble]

The only reason why I have found them when they're inaudible is by cranking up the sense range on spidey sense for them to the max.

If I don't look at them, I know they're there because I get a little purple indicator.

[coral willow]

audible cue also seems to quite lack the position of dh so to speak

you're clueless until you ping every spot on the map imho

anyhoo

i do think its pretty useful

[uncut pebble]

We can agree to disagree, then.

[coral willow]

problem is its quite expensive and mom i dont habe my revanat situation

[uncut pebble]

I just find that it is functionally useless to use, especially if you run straight down the midde of your tree. Chorus is great, immolation grenades are great, martyrdom is great, but this aura is just not.

[rigid pilot]

I find DH much easier by looking for the frosty effects

I often see them first before hearing them

[coral willow]

ive seen instadeaths from poxbursters so thats why i care most of the time tbh
especilaly nowdays a thing called dreg bomber exists i think its useful than it has ever been
i just cant stand to lose my points for this when i can spend 1 point from revanant to get benediction

[uncut pebble]

Like, martyr runs off having as many wounds as possible, right? You can take too much corruption damage and not be able to cleanse yourself with your own aura.

[coral willow]

nothing about general tree coherence and zealot goes together tbh

its kinda strict and also all over the place

[uncut pebble]

I mean, people also call me insane for liking martyr zealout.

[coral willow]

left tree has a wound damage resistance node that wont be used if you take piety

[uncut pebble]

I just like to swing my eviscerator faster.

[shadow dagger]

i went probably 6 or 7 games straight today with nobody being under +200 true level except me

whats going on

[coral willow]

right tree throwy knives are absolutely busted

[rigid pilot]

Gaming

[coral willow]

half my build is marty so no

[agile forge]

Martyrdom is awesome tbh

[rigid pilot]

Marty is the most broken zealot thing they can run

[agile forge]

There are no bad keystones ATM imo

[coral willow]

points at feel no pain after nerf

least one of the subnode seems quite useless now..

[agile forge]

There are plenty of bad subnodes

[shadow dagger]

whats this one about

[coral willow]

true

[rigid pilot]

Heavy hitter subnodes lol

[shadow dagger]

i havent been keeping up

[agile forge]

But no keystones that can't made made string with some combination of subnodes

[coral willow]

ranges from fine to ehh why

[agile forge]

HH subnodes are situational but good

[rigid pilot]

I only take the attack speed one

[coral willow]

yea

[agile forge]

Different weapons take different ones

The toughness one isn't bad now

[uncut pebble]

Momentum zealouts running at mach jesus directly into a horde and pushing through it like a human missile:

[coral willow]

aftef the fnp change i cant see fimes where you can actually activate you reachint 0 stack before dropping dead to the floor

[agile forge]

And also blazing piety zealots activating ability every 5s

[rigid pilot]

And then they die and leave

[agile forge]

I never take that subnode tbh

It's mostly dog insurance

[coral willow]

i used ti cause if you get blasted by gunner and got fucked it was a decent insurance

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I see that a lot with knife zealouts. There's a lot of them that are way too cocky for their own good and are typically a detriment to their team.

[coral willow]

now even getting blasted by gunners it wont activate until youve gone down, been to a graveyard, meant nurgle and got revived by the emperor

[rigid pilot]

Yea 1 stack every 3 seconds was it?

Unless you have been losing stacks already

[coral willow]

you lose 1 stack per 1 second

and if you get blasted without a way to regenerate for a bit(like the right subnode just generates stacks out of the fly already) for 10 seconds you're dying

[karmic osprey]

you could rebind the mouse button to F using the mouse software, or 3rd party software if your mouse don't support that natively.

[uncut pebble]

I don't exactly see how that would help me as tagging enemies is my mousewheel button.

[coral willow]

theres a mod for using multiple keys for a same activity

[karmic osprey]

you have 2 buttons that press F basically, i thought that was your issue. It would have to be a spare button ofc, not sure why tagging would collide with it

[uncut pebble]

Ah, I see. Sorry, I misunderstood.

[coral willow]

you can set like mouse4 and f to do special action

[uncut pebble]

I thought you were saying to just move my special activation key to my mousewheel outright.

Anywho, that could help a lot.

[coral willow]

i do that and i put q on

marking

[mental parcel]

headshot kills are weakspot kills right?

[odd sparrow]

yes

[undone dust]

my little babies:

[midnight totem]

Weakspot damage, ew

Also, flak doesn't do much for the power sword

[somber axle]

I did it without Redirect Fire active too. It's probably an easier breakpoint to maintain with stacks of Blaze Away but this is now a new and weird thing Charged Shots do that Uncharged Shots can't

I don't think anyone runs Exe Stance with Plasma though

[wanton dawn]

Most ppl dont run exe stance altogether. But ye, it is probably even less common on plasma

[limpid turtle]

yes

Weakspots are what give you yellow hitmarkers when you hit them

Its mostly headshots with the exception of the Slug, which has the giant zit in its back.

[mental parcel]

ik

just get eaten by it and rip it apart from the inside

[undone dust]

light attacks have nice horizontally slashes and you get weakspot with VI pretty often + it works nice with Brutal Momentum - sword is 95% horde clearer.

[limpid turtle]

I just douse it in promethium with Annoint in Blood from a point blank range

Thats for the Zealot chat but still. When are we getting Hellguns Fatshark?

[mental parcel]

we need vehicles

i wanna ride a bike into a hord and off a edge taking em all down with me

[undone dust]

yeap - but still wanted to squeeze anything from it so extra +27,4 dmg

[mental parcel]

like all those quadbikes in some missions

[limpid turtle]

Achillies Ridgerunners

Or Tauroxes

The second one would be hard ngl

[mental parcel]

hard to make?

[limpid turtle]

Hard as in would go hard

[mental parcel]

ah

it would be chaoticly fun

make a lvl 6 or 7 difficulty which had these trucks spawing and have constant armour enemies spawing

[somber axle]

Whatever breakpoints it helps meet with less investment (or makes possible where the lack of it couldn't ever hope to reach) are just not worth compared to Voice of Command being a strong survivability tool

[agile forge]

You can hit headshots 100% of the time with weakspot damage perk and it would still be a bad perk

It only applies to the weakspot bonus, not to the entire hit

[mental parcel]

you can hit headshots 100% without the perk

just aim for the head an fire

[agile forge]

I always go carapace/maniac on my ps6 anyway

[somber axle]

I'll still never use Voice of Command if I can help it though LMFAO

[agile forge]

Um obviously

[somber axle]

I'd rather eat a weird extra talent tax to get Infiltrate or Exe Stance instead

[agile forge]

I am talking about +weakspot damage perk on a weapon

Doesn't matter what weapon you put it on, it's a bottom tier garbage shit perk

[limpid turtle]

They would make for a fun bossfight ngl

[agile forge]

Along with crit damage

It does much less than it pretends to do

On most weapons it's at best like 5%

[mental parcel]

have the boss be a chaos dreadnought

[midnight totem]

Mate. Vets have a node that grants 3x the weakspot damage alone. Granted, if the other perk used to be like, stamina or something, go with weakspot sure. Better then nothing. I'd suggest changing flak to elite or manic though

[grand perch]

know what i love? 7 wound zealots rushing to pick up that health stim before your vet 2 wound ass

[odd sparrow]

havent tried that but can imagine the pain

[gilded rock]

when I see the no-corruption martyr zealot take the last medicae station (I tanked BoN vomit spam while they fought poxwalkers for minutes)

my brother in corpse chair what did you think martyrdom meant

[austere pine]

milk is fucking high again

what drugs does he keep acquiring from hallowette are beyond me but i have a tingling they'rer of dark elf origin

[mortal orbit]

How're the shovels for vet? Melkbrother is enticing me a 379 with defence dump

[midnight totem]

Shovels are great

Good reliable crowd clearer

And the fold down shovels take out elites easily

Even crushers with the proper perks and blessings

[tacit sonnet]

randomly got this shovel, never used shovels. Is it worth keeping? Or do I just trash it for uncanny IV

https://i.imgur.com/ERJr6sE.png

[faint beacon]

The Shovels in general are just reliable, they’re not like PS levels of click and win but they’re very good

[faint beacon]

Do you have anything better or a shit ton more resources

If not keep it, you could save it partially

[mortal orbit]

Ty

[tacit sonnet]

idc about weapons, I'm rich. But I never used shovels and it's stats look decent + good blessing

Wanted to know if it's worth keeping and trying it out

[faint beacon]

I’d say probably get it for Uncanny if that’s so

[tacit sonnet]

If I wanted a shovel I would just roll for one

[faint beacon]

Cause it’s like barely nearing perfection

Defense needs to be a bit more but it’s just under

[tacit sonnet]

near perfection is not perfection

[faint beacon]

Yeah

Aka kill it

[tacit sonnet]

defense?

Isn't it just a dump stat

[faint beacon]

I personally like mine being at 60, mobility is usually the dump

[tacit sonnet]

Like mobility as long as you get +1 dodge

why do you need such high defense stat?

[faint beacon]

Armored enemies take more damage

[tacit sonnet]

No they don't

[faint beacon]

Wait no that’s first target

[tacit sonnet]

You are thinking about stopping power

[faint beacon]

Yeah shit

[tacit sonnet]

or first target

[faint beacon]

Mb

[slow spade]

Defense is mostly a dump stat

[tacit sonnet]

defense is a dump

Even mobility is way more useful

[unique orchid]

s'a good shovel

[slow spade]

Just don't lose the dodge

[tacit sonnet]

As it improves dodnging

So

Do I keep this shovel?

[unique orchid]

i would use it, shit, s'pretty good

[slow spade]

Looks fine to me

[tacit sonnet]

What do I change then?

[unique orchid]

you could just change the traits and it would still be fine

[tacit sonnet]

I would guess get flak damage and Decimator

[unique orchid]

you can chain heavies into crusher heads with the bonus impact and staggerlock them to death

[tacit sonnet]

keep trauma? seriously?

[faint beacon]

I would’ve said Skullcrusher or Deci if you’re focusing killing hordes

[midnight totem]

If he keeps trauma he doesn't even need to use the shovels poke

[tacit sonnet]

What is shovel even used for

[midnight totem]

Just keep smashing

[tacit sonnet]

Why does this weapon exist

[unique orchid]

it's, in my opinion, a jack of all trades sort

[tacit sonnet]

I've never tried one except on ogryn

[unique orchid]

good for dealing with singles, hordes, etc but not as well as anything else that is specialized

[faint beacon]

It’s very much a Jack of all trades weapon

Really reliable horde control, usually kills in 2 Heavies unless you have high Deci stacks them it’s 1

[tacit sonnet]

what kind of ranged do I get with a shovel

[unique orchid]

define

[tacit sonnet]

What weapon

[faint beacon]

Like poke reach?

Or actual guns

[unique orchid]

again kind of whatever you want

[tacit sonnet]

What do I equip as my gun

[unique orchid]

what do you want to shoot with your gun?

[faint beacon]

It’s… quite literally anything