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you can also krak scab bruisers for that
I think the stats fits you gameplay. You have give a runs and see where the weakpoint to be fix with blessing or perks
yeah im gonna take it into the lab even though its a meme gun
yeah its meme time
i think reciprocity is probably still better than another red node, ill be dodging with this thing
which weapons
im doing focus farming
headhunter is going on the recon
over infernus not speedloader lmao
wouldn't take reciprocity for these two
fuck defense all my homies attacc 
Recon is the gun i say needs infernus, if not dum dum just cause of how low the base damage is
What does speedloader even do rn
im bringing this to like malice to farm poxers
lol infernus on vii
Ohh
double reload speed
Recons in general
reloading makes my pp feel good 
Tbh Infernus isn't nearly as good on the Mk VIIa as it is on the Mk VId but given your options there I'd probably swap Infernus with Dum Dum and change Poxwalkers/Groaners to Maniac
Infernus is just so little value on the Mk VIIa that I'd even prioritize Speedload over it but I'd actively take Infernus almost every time on a Recon Mk VId
i dunno what part of "im trying to shoot as many bullets at as many people as i can" people arent understanding
pp like pew pew righttt?? right..?
very little else matters
nobody scrolls up for context
Dum dum best bet.forgot its not good crit chance overall.
I like mobility so i dont use MM keystone.
i realized the real problem with reciprocity was i was using it to reach desperado, and that's not something i want to use
i want to shoot not swing shovel
kind of hard to get the marksman's focus penance without it
and you have 6 seconds to move after a headshot kill
The lack of Rending Strikes node may hurt a bit tbh and I don't even mean for Crusher memes just in general
Ahh my bad if for penance.
Should read it proper,my bad.
well, where can I get 2 more talent points
and I have krak so I think I'll be fine anyway
You can't if you're dead set on Marksman's Focus for keystone tbh
I mean they said Malice penance farming so like Iron Will might not even be necessary there
But that doesn't help you get to Rending Strikes any easier
marksman's focus rending subnode 
That should be fine for the penance farm
Ahh we try to get the rending?
I suggest practicing 1v6 crusher melee only
sooo dev strike procs quite allot
Keep Iron Will
it's good practice if anything
i do this every time i queue quickplay
No reason to try for Rending Strikes on Malice since you don't need to be too sweaty for casual penance farming
15% elite or 10# rending?thats a choice.
or fully commit 
the illusion of choice
it can be better
first target is really low
only applies when cleaving though
no
weak spot damage 
hardly matters, weak point damage is the real loss
no lol
My fav part is VoC without gold toughness LMFAO that's magical
This one best bet imo
is this another "fatshark lying on tooltips for the whole lifespan of the game" thing
first target multiplies after everything and has the highest impact on the dmg u do against the first target u hit
as in
if u hit one
first target boosts that
ah so yeah
if u hit two, first target boosts the dmg on first enemy
well regardless weakpoint damage is a broke ass perk apparently
it's the most important stat for everything that has it available
it is
but low first target is the bigger problem
Good lord, that was a game
applies before the weakpoint modifiers, making it worse for weapons that want to hit weakpoints, which seems like an outright bug
not a bug, just smth they chose to make this way
applies to "bonus" dmg from weakspot hits
are you the same person who was very upset by the knife
30% works both melee n range yes?
well, not my fault u ditched a godroll
regardless i have my weapon for "save your bricks" day
precision strikes works for ranged & melee yes
I am in so much pain
I need to reroll my talent.dang thought works ranged since it in rangeside
Found myself in a game, four psykers, auric excise vault
it does work for ranged
regardless i dont have the resources to farm perfect versions of every weapon veteran is my least played class out of all 4
i spent like 50k dockets and 2k plasteel making these shovels lol
One of them dropped as I was making a push to a safer area
He got swarmed, and we couldn't pick him up. He was pitching at us in voice chat.... and left the game. Predictable
surprisingly devastating strike actually procs more often than i thought it would during a mission
I went back to try and save him. Got cut off. Still survived. Dunno, I'm just kind of a gigachad
My other two psykers however, push through the horde, trigger maulers. They get dropped
Right as I caught up with them
Then they leave. So I casually destroy the maulers with my voidstrike as I finally get two new players.
We also pick up a zoom knife zealot that constantly runs off far ahead of us and dies. He also leaves after the third time it happens
earlier i had an ogryn who would charge into the middle of elite packs then die, over and over
Anyway, we get to the finale, we successfully juggle the samples, and holy shit I have four new names to add to my blocklist, that is a record for one game
That sounds like a time LMFAO
bowling ball blaster
it does but it's still rather bad
Mine has Warp nexus and surge on it, if it fires off two shots on a crit at max charge? Nothing is surviving
eh
Not the crusher, his brother next to him, the trapper behind them, the collateral pox walkers in front of them, or the stray gunner who was my real target
If it had much higher cleave or stacked in some way it’d be better
i know
Because rn it’s just flat out worse than wrath & savage sweep in just about every way and requires crit which are inconsistent by nature
If it had 110+ cleave it'd be great
lmao people who hate sounds boards defs have no chill
Might actually compete with the other 2 cleave blessings depending on build
Hell.
I'd keep the cleave. But also add a secondary effect
Dunno. Brittle for all targets struck during the crit. Or maybe extra finesse modifier on the crit
I think some blessings could stand a lil more uniqueness
Its pretty good though
heh.....penetration
the recon lasgun is really inconsistent at actually getting stacks up
very strange
like point blank ads at head, no stacks sometimes
yeah
i thought bonus stacks would be good buffer room but i think in lieu of proper head shooting i need the sneak around one
or i could use a laspistol lol
i think the horde spewing capabilites are too good though
Look what I just had polished up by Hadron
fuck it, give me so many grenades
I dont think those bullets will work lol
you just need to sharpen them
Wheres your field improv and twinned blast come on commit to the bit
those bullets need viagra
Can you tag through smokes?
Yeah i might try smokes out
Good thing about smoke nades is the node below it is a must take
which is
Probably melee damage? Maybe the 10% one?
Ye
I wouldn't say must take but it's a very desirable one and a must for certain builds
Seriously why isnt frag and smoke swapped lmao
I guess cuz the old stuff is all on the left
Not on everybody
Ogryn box is middle (although rocks are basically old boxes I guess)
Actually that's the only one like that isn't it
I guess martyrdom counts too (middle)
I hear the blues are callin tossed salad and scrambled eggs fam
still haven't gotten a viable damnation build for my veteran yo
You probably don’t need Infested nor Thunderstrike. You probably will need Carapace and Thrust.
I stopped using shovel
Special attack is great but
When I used rashad 2 instead it just seemed pointless
Shovel is safer but less killy
Shovel kills crushers better but seems to suck ass on unyielding
am i the only person who thinks the hair looks bad in this game?
no one ever says it
No, the hair does look bad. Not many styles that aren't "I shaved the sides of my head in various ways."
That's why I wear hoods/helmets on everyone and just leave my ogryn bald.
I named my character after my cat
only reason i make the hair visible is cause he's orange
Oh boy I was wondering why damnation was so hard just now my team mates were lvl 19 and 21 LOL
They... should not be there.
I didn't set foot into damnation until at least level 28.
i tried to carry but there was just so many damn gunners
I was having the same problem in a damnation maelstrom.
Literally every gunner on Tertium decided they wanted to shoot me specifically.
o i have that problem with fuggin bursters
and snipers
i ran out of ways to deal with the gunners in this situation
we had a psyker but he never made any barricades
sad yo
Brother was probably running the fire scream or scrier's gaze.
yeah probably
It's too bad
I spam bubbles on my psyker and it makes the game easy af for 2 reasons
trappers and gun fools become impotent
but the other
bigger reason
players congregate at the bubble
so no one leaves coherency
no one runs off on their own
the bubble is a cool tool but friendship is magic as the donkeys say
As those weird succubus cryptids say
friendship is magic!!
I use bubble more for myself than anything. I am a very selfish psyker player.
I can't exactly shoot anything when I am being suppressed.
Well that's fair
It'ss been a long time since i've played psyker sdince they nerfed psychic knives of throwing
and i remember spamming bubble anytime it was up
and increaased squad coherency was generally observable
so even if you do it for yourself
if you're at least with your team
it has the added benefit of being a visible indicator oof where to be
you can kinda sorta ya know control your team mates movements
"Stand here if you don't want to get shot by the 28 gunners that decided to spawn."
Anyway, assail is still quite good.
i know it is
but i miss when it was super op
i've taken a braek cause i used it so much it's hard to stomach the nerf
I run a peril edging gunker build only right now, trying to get a good purgatus staff to make a soulblaze build though.
i lvl'd all the way from 10 to 30 using assail
welp
i just play a shitty psyker anymore tbh
my build is shitty
Does plasma care about rending? Are those 10% worth?
Can someone share their build for helbore, and also maybe link their helbore s well
that's what I use, 2 free points for whatever, more crit, field improv, stamina regen delay. You can also fit deadshot if you want, but I don't like it
Ty
Last I heard, Deadshot doesn't work for plasma guns. True?
idk but nobody uses the chargeshot if they're sane rn so
How good is this burn stick?
Opportunity cost
It isn't bad but you can get more bang out of another talent choice usually
Shockingly good blessing
Depends on the gun
It's janky
In general it's not short 34, it's shot 234, and it will reset very very fast on automatic guns, to the point where any time you stop shooting you get the buff back
So every burst gets the uplift
The power one is massively better than the weak spot damage on, but the volley blessings are better than you might think
If a weapon has a stopping power stat you can check the adm's at any time
with the inspect screen
its recon
check what?
Very much dependent on the gun and very bad on recons
ADM's, the percentage your weapon actually does of your base damage to an armor type.
Didn't know how it applied to recons, I just know a lot of people write of those talents as bad on every gun
Recons are very much in need of love in general though, so I guess you run best in slot blessings or just cry
It's fine on things you want to burst fire anyway, like the agri
iag that is
But there's typically better options that don't require playstyle adjustments
Like with helbores
It's good on all the iag options
It doesn't compete with dumdum at all
Though again, power is better than weakspot damage
Your second blessing slot is largely superfluous on iag's though
So you can take whatever there and be at 95% potential
But on something like ciag, leveraging salvo blessings is a waste of dps potential
Recons are doing quite poorly at the moment, and you also only hit infernus 3. If you must use it then switch out stripped for headhunter and one of the perks for your choice of flak/maniac/crit chance.
But keep in mind, they are very numerically undertuned.
So that means it will very slightly help with carapace damage
And that's it
its only barely good on agri
It would even more slightly help other types, as rending over 100% is converted to bonus damage at 1/4 the rate, but it's not worth it on plasma.
It has extremely high adm's at all ranges
yea, I know that rending over 100% is never worth
It used to be better but was changed
It's not useless, but the margin for usefulness is much lower.
It used to be much worse actually
Rending used to work in a dumb convoluted way that didn't make sense
worse? I always thought over 100% rending used to be better
iirc it had less actual value based on the numbers, but I do not recall how it used to work over 100% so you could be correct there
so 10% rending wasn't actually 10% adm adjustment before
ok, good to know, thanks
Morning
rending used to just be multiplicative
e.g, if you did 0.8 adms, 40% rending meant that you did 0.8 + (1 - 0.8) * 0.4 = 0.88 instead
I don't use that title because it abbreviates to ass lmao
Reject until I get shift leader Primus
Infernus is ass sadly
I use different titles for all of my characters though
My psyker is Archivum sage
Ogryn is shift leader
Zealot is nomad
Looks gud, you should be able to hit both bruiser types without investment
Check to make sure and also see how many HT stacks are needed if any
If I get a couple headtaker stacks, yes
query: I suspect my knowledge of curio set up has probably drifted a bit... is there a current feel for the perks we want to be chasing at the moment?
like, gunner and sniper resistance are always welcome... as well as toughness regen? but is combat ability regen still welcome or is it worth leaning into corruption resistance these days? those kinds of details :>
part of it is preferences and playstyles
i do sprint and block efficiency cause i use both a lot and put high value on my stamina
but if that isnt how you play then they arent gonna do anything for you
CDR is always good
I think I'm actively starting to hate people who go down and disconnect only to keep reconnecting into match
like
they're such dead weight LMFAO
toughness regen not really that good, better to get stamina regen etc.
It only applies to conherency regen, which is flat, not based on your total toughness pool.
Basically with a big toughness pool you barely notice it, with both 0 and 3 perks, and vet always has a big toughness pool
I don't even mind protecting new players but people clinging to cheese are so lame
Urgh
I hate this, it's cheating the game
aha, see that's the context I was missing. I recall it being the big recommendation a wee while back but it only being there for coherency toughness is notable. cheers!
i do wonder on that... is it just trying to force a free revive on the bot or is it trying to cheese the auric storm survivor title by avoiding "death"?
Even just beyond cheating it's just someone who isn't good enough to play at a certain difficulty abusing game mechanics to pretend they don't suck LMFAO
not even forcing revives when the whole squad is down
just them insta-disconnecting when they go down and then reconnecting as soon as they can
rinse and repeat
loser is on his knees the whole match and barely in the game
yeah, been seeing it a lot more recently
like at least the people being lame and disconnecting during a squad wipe are trying to stop a wipe
People who disconnect every time they go down are pathetic
did have it happen with 3 of them disconnecting and letting me get away with a solo win at one point.
but as you can see from the enemy count... yeah...
my game froze and got me killed at 9/10 for auric exemplar, then dropped me through the map after i got grabbed at 7/10
and a teammate tk'd me by barreling me off a ledge at 8
im not even gonna alt f4 it, ive just accepted im never going to get the penance
titleless gang forever
Hestia's titles are more a mark of progress at this stage it seems ^^
I think that was the shortest time I've ever seen an Ogryn join a match LMFAO
dude joined, charges forward, dies to gunners and then disconnects while I'm literally in infiltrate running over to get him up
like man
just queue for heresy if you're going to play like this
Every time I go down it's the teams fault 
For power swords, already have tier 4 Power Cycler on another worth the pickup?
Sunder is one of the meta blessings currently
Also very rare
So yes
Sire Melk came in clutch today 🙏
It's cycler and either brutal or sunder, sunder is more defensive oriented as it lets your swings not stop when hitting carapace/bulark shields and also reduces enemy hit mass by like 1/4 or something.
So you can hitstun mixed hordes a lot better
But doesn't necessarily improve your clear
my current Power Sword had Cycler + Supercharge
Supercharge is nearly useless currently
the only time i sacrifice and banish myself to the warp is if the squads about to get wiped + im already dead at that point even a bot is more useful then me
I don't like that strat tbh and I'd rather eat the wipe and requeue but it has made for some clutch saves for the bot getting someone up
so I can at least say someone disconnecting during a wipe is being useful
Yea i dont do it often only when i know theres a good chance of the bot able to clutch and rez someone atp id rather the squad takes the W at my own expense rather then everyone taking the L
id rather take the L
Good for u
It just sucks
Literally exploit abusing
I still don't understand ranged specialist is it basically 99% on first 3 shots if you have 9 stacks?
in what world is leaving a game to prevent a squad wipe an exploit abuse all of a sudden?
If you think thats what exploiting is i think you need to look up the definition of what abusing an exploit is
its literally exploiting lol
it depends on how you define an exploit but if we go by "using a game mechanic in an unintended way" I doubt fs intended dcing to function as a self res
its your next shot, just one bullet, that gets the crit chance bonus
and yes im sure the clown emoji is borne of genuine curiosity
I dont know how leaving a match can be defined as an exploit
Yea it is the borne of genuine curiosity mr exploits
So if we go by
Ur named after exploits after all explain how leaving a match is exploiting
Use of unintended effects of a game mechanic to leverage an advantage
Exploit is referring to this definition
because you're leaving to dump a bot when you should just sit the rest of the round through
make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand
Yea it's an exploit
So it's subjective
Ok so leaving the match to replace myself with a bot is somehow exploiting yet no real reasons is given on why its exploiting
I dont even rejoin the matches that i leave so explain
if you arent intentionally doing it and are genuinely just a huge baby who quits whenever you hit the ground, then i guess in that strict sense its not an exploit so much as you just suck
Re read what i said
From this part ok?
Ok mr exploits?
but you know it drops a bot and you know it impacts the round
no
so you are exploiting
How is that an exploit its a literal ingame mechanic
the crit chance bonus only applies to the very first shot
after 3 stacks it basically does nothing
If someone was leaving just to rejoin ok u may have had a point
Even if you don't rejoin I don't think fs intended leaving to be a way to hail mary a bot to res a fully downed team
But trying to call leaving the match exploiting is idiotic
I mean, I'm using a revolver so I don't mind but that's kinda shit for other guns. Like any stack after 3 goes to waste on the crit front
because you're leaving to dump a bot when you should just sit the rest of the round through
Blame fatshark for addings bots then
Change ur name cuz i dont think u know what exploits are
Well I'm not rly blaming someone
Just saying it's probably not the intended design of dcing
There are 3 definitions
and yes thats always been my issue with wep spec. its incredibly powerful ... for like two guns lol
i mean its that or youre a quitter
I think it's better on more than just 2 no?
👍🏽
Plasma revolver headhunters laspistol
its good on a lot of melee weapons but guns specifically? very niche output
Plus the melee part is really really good so the gun buffs are just a nice bonus
But still
Just closed my darktide game dont ban me for exploits ok?
That list is more than just 2
You're referring to this definition
a software tool designed to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system, typically for malicious purposes such as installing malware.
V3 is one of the few guns that benefit from both fire rate and guaranteed crit
As well
abusing bugs also fits into that definition but i still dont see how leaving a match fits that category especially when im not even rejoining the match
Never knew the leave game option was unintentional and was a bug
Well its a loophole to make the game easier
😂
So people will deem that an exploit
Well ask yourself this
right now tho i just see it as "make revolver more stupider and also be zealot for 10s after every ranged kill"
The devs obviously never intended people to do that
Do you think fatshark intended leaving to be a way to summon a bot to hail mary res to save a run
They just dont know how to solve it
And then ask are ppl leveraging that unintended effect to create an advantage
Like when a russian triggers a dh and leaves
I don't really care if ppl do it mind you
I'm just saying if you define an exploit a certain way
Yeah it's an exploit
its mostly wasting everyone elses time
It would be a loophole if u get downed/trapped leave and rejoin to be a-okay but i dont do tht again as i said in my first post only when im dead and i know im no use then ill just leave and go into a new match
and i dont really care to earn my wins off the back of one
Sometimes people (including myself) have bad matches and are of no benefit to the team if im dead and im no use to anybody and the squad is having a difficult time ill leave cuz at that point a bot is more useful then i am
If thats exploiting then ban me 😂
Yeah but that's the thing
I don't think fatshark intended leaving to be a way to replace yourself with something more useful
But I also think it doesn't really matter
It took me 2 months to get the 15 no down penance
It's an exploit but who cares
The point of bots is to fill in for players if they were meant to be useless then why even include them into the game to begin with
But I got it. You can do it
Comboing in fighting games was originally an exploit
Bots are meant to fill in for players that don't exist if you can't matchmake
Mk6 is thw superior knife
On the lowest cleave weapon....
So
You can push attack if you want single target
It's higher dps on both knives than heavies anyway
Thst requires stamina
That is true
But even mk3 gets higher dps from pushatk
So learning to manage that is already a thing u should know
I've learned to love the mk6, which is why I run 2x +3 stam curios
destroying a crusher in 2 secs will never not be funny
Thanks for repeating what i said but that still doesnt answer the main point which is if bots are meant to be useless why incorporate them into the game to begin with
I wanna use it but mk3 just seems a lot easier
Shotguns and braced autos too
They arent meant to be useless
Especially when my build requirws a lot of skill not to die lol
Its a simple yes or no question
Guarantee that slug or lawbringer special round to crit
i stopped trying, if imma get it it’ll be coincidental
yeah thats fair. I run mk3 on my crit fotf zealot
I think wep special is a trap on shotguns ngl
I don't really like wep special shotty
Or swap to attack speed boosted agrippina braced autogun
In theory it's cool and all but I think in practice you're better served going FT
Even if only the first rew rounds are crits
It's a lotta pepper being dumped
Infact, I've used it with deadshot braced auto to pretty devastating effect
I'm at the point where I'm just thinking of stupid shit to do on vet
like knife + helbore with wep spec lmao
Is it optimal
No
But it's much better then it sounds
Turn your braced auto into a true space m60
Did you try my rat build
idk what that is
It's okay
After the update
We'll all make a boomstick build, like "this is what the lawbringer should've been"
Be careful of ledges
It'll be groovy
Veteran’s endgame melee paths:
- Become a Rashad enthusiast
- Become a CB6 enjoyer
- Become a PS6 spammer
what happens hwen you already play all 3 of them

also
i alr play a build like that with agri revolver
You discover the 4th path. Shovel.
i alr played shovel too
i quite literally
have almost every melee and gun rolled

Play zealot’s melee weapons ig
Crusher is super strong
i think its just time for a break until SEKRITS OF THE MECHANICUS or whatever
better be some gud sekrits
in all seriousness
The secret is not a... -checks notes- improved crafting system
i dont like playing zealot sometimes
bc genuinely using guns on zealot feels boring
Gun zealot, also known as throwing knife railgunner
i got into an argument with a dude around the time p14 dropped because he was mad he wasn't getting no-setup one shots on like gunners and shotgunners with the crusher
now that i think about it i should shout him out in the crusher guide
I think besides monster DPS and carapace deletion crusher is basically the best thing u can have ngl
it’s funny to get the helbore firespeed boost with 10 stacks but the swap speed just makes it annoying to use
It truly can fight like everything
he was sort of right in a way that only works if you're focusing on very specific psykhanium parameters but he also didn't actually care for evidence he just didn't like the crusher
But that monster dmg is just 
regarding the swap speed, you know what they say: you get used to it
Rashad hits for like 2k on weakspot overhead and almost 4k on crit weakspot
Crusher hits for like 1.8k on empowered H1 weakspot 
it's fairly passable. you get the most value out of h1 block cancel because it has 1.5x unyielding adm on the first target (on the h1) compared to 1.25x as the baseline for unarmored
there's basically no reason to activate for damage unless you're chastising and already committing to a wind-up where it doesn't really take more time
Yea it’s passable but I’m used to higher boss dmg weapons ig
crusher is already absurdly safe, doesn't also need to be boss killer lol
Non-power H1 is like 1.5~1.6k on weakspot
zealot also gets anywhere from like 25-50% attack speed depending on build and if you have chastise's lingering buff active or not
i'd rate it above a lot of zealot weapons because it does good unyielding without also requiring some sort of investment that is risk/reward, like you don't have to rev or deal with an activate that also has a lingering stun
I wasnt even at max stacks of focus
it's also one of your best unyielding damage options for standard elites, single target bulwark i think it's unmatched or on par with rashad on a consistency basis
That was a nice thammer hit
Well, it is a BoN weakspot hit
yeah, but not by replacing a player when you leave because you went down

I'm late but that definition is for cheating, not exploiting. Exploiting refers specifically to using a game mechanic in an unintended way to get an advantage you otherwise wouldn't. Like using a Skyrim horse to ride up the side of a mountain. Definitely unintentional by the devs. Definitely an exploit. Definitely hilarious and saves time though. If you lost a run by having a team wipe, disconnecting to put a bot into the match just so the bot can get one person back on their feet only for you to reconnect after is objectively an exploit no matter how you want to spin it
so yeah it's an exploit LOL
welll
their argument was
they arent reconnecting
but its still an exploit technically
not that i really care if ppl do it
Psh
"I'm not reconnecting"
I think the devs should just fix it
Make it so that if a player disconnects while down, the bot spawns in downed
seems pretty easy
also fix the bug that lets people continue to earn Auric Storm Survivor/Auric Exemplar by disconnecting before they die
at a certain point I can't blame the players for doing lame thing
The devs made it possible to do lame thing
Remove lame thing
I just want the power sword skin to come again
People will only be as lame as they can get away with
And maybe a black recolor of my beloved goggles and mask
I want goggles + vox headset
I'll accept this
explain how leaving game is exploit
I'm late but that definition is for cheating, not exploiting. Exploiting refers specifically to using a game mechanic in an unintended way to get an advantage you otherwise wouldn't. Like using a Skyrim horse to ride up the side of a mountain. Definitely unintentional by the devs. Definitely an exploit. Definitely hilarious and saves time though. If you lost a run by having a team wipe, disconnecting to put a bot into the match just so the bot can get one person back on their feet only for you to reconnect after is objectively an exploit no matter how you want to spin it
re read what i said rather then put words in my mouth
that's the true iron man challenge
Facts
That doesnt explain how leaving=exploit
what the fuck is read
You compared leaving a game to using a horse to glitch up mountains on skyrim
That doesnt explain how leaving a game is exploiting
Yes
You're a silly horse glitching up a mountain when you leave a match to save a wipe
If you do not like being that horse
Stop being that horse
Stop disconnecting
Or just ignore me and continue to be a horse
What disconnecting
I wish I was a horse
I said i leave and don't rejoin how is that exploiting
Specifically when you're waiting for the match to be a loss
I knew some girls who were into horses. Hot, but insane
even if u dont personally benefit, it can still be an exploit
like hypothetically
just pretend
"I neigh and eat hay. My hooves have nothing to do with this. How am I a horse?"
there wa san exploit where you can leave and instantly win the match for 3 other players
that would obv still be an exploit
even if u arent benefitting personally
Still not a single person has explained how leaving a match = exploiting
i have explained it
you ignored it
even though it was a simple yes or no question like you said
Youre just drawing up ridiculous comparisons thats not an explanation
You're right I'm not a person. I'm a cat and a clown
I don't think either of you are gonna change each other's minds though
as i said
People have explained, you're just being obdurate because you don't want to use your brain to think how you might be wrong
yes or no
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match
Because you're leaving to give the team a chance to recover by giving your entire team another life, because the game doesn't distinguish the state of the bot that gets replaced.
It's okay. That's like 90% of humanity.
comparing leaving a match to using a horse to glitch up a mountain is not an explanation
its a comparison
and a really bad one at that
Wherein the intention is to just, die
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it think
If you lose
just answer this
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match
I mean you using the skyrim horse glitch is just weird
if you think FS intended this then w/e we have nothing to talk about
you somehow tried to correlate a skyrim horse glitch to leaving a match
it makes no correlation and does not explain how leaving a match is exploiting
Oh my fucking god I hate pedants so much

Hold on lemme post an exploit you should try instead
it's not an exploit if you do this during a game
trust me
you should take ur own advice
it wouldnt surprise me if u considered that a exploit too
🤣
double darktide
lemme share why double LOL
I was a beta clown
I was THERE
during the dawn of Darktide when we were meat in a grinder
You're part of the tester program too?
Oh gods
3000 years ago
back when psykers had shotguns and the future was bright
Hey make sure not to log off from darktide or else youre exploiting
You were there when the courage of Vets failed? When the Plasma Gun / Powersword seduced Vets?

I was there when Vets would explode more often than Psykers trying to use Plasma
what no
Like the intention
Of losing in the game
Is that
You stay in the game
And lose with your team
Listen man quite frankly i dont care
I mean it's just a undersight by the dev team
I was there when the top Vet build was Kantrael XII because Exe Stance let you just have 75% toughness damage reduction and you could literally stand out in the open eating a hailstorm of gunfire from every enemy everywhere including snipers and just ignore them and keep shooting
if u cant explain how leaving a game is exploiting i dont care
if im of no benefit to the team i leave the match its really that simple
You've only just said you didn't leave, but you're still just giving your team a "chance" while you could have just lost with them
i explained it alr
😔
u didnt explain it
Because the dev team didn't account for people to just leave
yes i did
u couldnt even answer a yes or no question
Which spawns another body
how do you have fun joining matches and leaving them right as they start?
you just reaffirmed what i said regarding bots and left it at that
answer mine first then cus u ignored this originally
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match
Which could theoretically save the game
You guys are getting trolled so hard rn
bro is eating good
Bait used to be believable
who said anything about leaving them right as they start
now youre just putting words in my mouth
same thing about the whole disconnecting and rejoining nonsense
actually the words are being put on your screen
Do you guys remember when Camo Stance was a thing on Vet
Thanks J(SH(O (Jaan Koeuanian), really cool!
i try to forget
don't say that name too many times or you'll summon the guy who turned me into this
challenge accepted
do i gotta do it like bloody mary
go into the bathroom turn off the lights and say it 3 times
Why don't you just stay
And take the L

Leaving the match is still taking the L is it not
you have to do that but with aha blueberry pomegranate sparkling water or bring up something from the 80s (he hates the 80s)
technically no actually
it doesnt register as a loss
for the purposes of achievements
as well as on scoreboard mod record
ok but its still a loss whether it registers as one or not cuz it most definitely doesnt register as a win
so no matter how you slice it in this case, no, its actually not taking an L
tfw still ignored my question too
so your whole point is thrown out of the window its still a personal loss
its not a personal loss
whenever you get around to answering my yes or no question
ok so what is it then a personal w?
your personal achievements that are affected by losing
if I failed the Emperor I like the funny music that plays on the end screen that comes with it
are not affected
Ok so is it a win?
its as if the game never existed 👻
no way we get punished for losing
yes we do
🤣
achievements
Wow what a severe punishment!
why else do you think ppl dc scum
well
whether its minor or not
you are the one who asked
whats the difference
so i answered
no its technically not taking the L, the game doesn't treat it as an L
you confuse me for people who leave as soon as they get downed and then rejoin to save an achievement
i leave if im of no benefit to the team and go join a new match
smh
if that's what exploiting is then u can cry about my exploits
asking things and then getting an answer and being a wanker about it
no way we get punishment is a question now
i dont really care what you do
Okkkkkk
if you dont care then stop trying to argue something that i stopped entertaining
i dont really care if people "exploit" in this manner
im just saying
it can be seen as one yes
🔥
btw do we know what cosmetics are hitting store rotation in 2 days? 
or is it too early to know that
Lucifer blacks
i said i dont care about u doing it personally, not the act itself
pls read
i know its hard
I know sometimes people figure out stuff early
yes
i dont care if ppl do it on a personal level
u are included in people no?
unless ur not a person
u generalized and said people didnt specify me specifically
dont care
stop arguing if u dont care
really simple ok smart boi?
use that brain power of urs
im not a boy
Ok smart girl?
😔
Sorry
im not a girl either 😔
Ok smart anime writing?
Thats it
😔
thanks for trying though
i appreciate it
i use black stone fortress attack ability
i said from the beginning anyway that i dont think exploits are neccessarily bad smh
like combos in fighting games
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my whole stance is i dont see leaving a match as an exploit
if someone was leaving a match if they got downed just to rejoin and skip a rez or being freed from a trap or to save an achievement
ok u have a point
well you're doing something
that the devs prob didnt intend to be used in such a way
and it creates an advantage
idk
i can see it
does it matter
prob not though
most of the time the bots are only marginally more useful than a dead person
as in not very useful at all
it is
U guys are just arguing semantics for nothing 
the best kind of argument
like i said if im not benefitting the team in anyway what so ever (which is rarely but everyone has bad games) i will simply leave because at that point a bot is more useful then i am to the team
But numbers cat it's fun to watch
meh, waste of time & energy

not a waste of popcorn
yea so you're helping your team through a mechanic the devs prob didnt intend to be used in that way
quitting the game is supposed to be "your baby is shitting itself" or "you forgot to turn off your stove and your house burst into flames" or "you forgot to pick up your child from school 8 hours ago"
not
"summon a bot to assist your living teammates"
for some for other it gives them vitamns
have you tried pickles on popcorn
the forbidden picklecorn...
Mayonnaise popcorn
now if you think the devs did intend for you to use it that way
no I have not
then
As dip
fair enough honestly?
if bots arent there to assist players then there's no purpose for bots to even be implemented in the game to begin with
i dont agree but its not like we can read minds
I'm basic so I've only had popcorn and caramel popcorn
the whole purpose of bots is to assist players
thats the reason why they even exist to begin with
there's a place here that does specialty popcorn but I've never tried it
they are to assist
Not to save a run by dcing
☺️
dcing would imply that you're rejoining the same match
Literally there to replace teammates you don't have
i simply leave not disconnect
☝🏼
They're the same term
It's interchangable
If you leave
You DC.
It's a Disconnect.
Ok so if they're there to replace team mates that you dont have then how is it an issue that they replace me if im not benefitting anyone in the team
uh, mods
you just said yourself they're there to replace teammates
i been dropped the topic just tog et pinged 3 times back to back about it
go call your mods now
No...disconnecting means the servers have had a stroke and the game has crashed or lost connection
its grotesque
i cant have pure christian thoughts looking at that gif
thats actually a cultural dish down here in florida i'd appreciate if you put some respect on it
florida cant sink fast enough
jit
I do love pickles though
you should try pickled hot dogs
💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
they're allll the sammme
The result always is
You've left the game
Looool man
why do you keep dying 😔
Na my game crashed
yesterday we get that guy telling people to off themselves for disagreeing about the no-ammo maelstrom mod. Today we get this guy. You can tell playerbase spiking in anticipating of 25th June

God Emperor willing we get a kickass update and tons of active players
then we mope and cope
Usual
welcome to religion
then i need the update in my room rn

No matter what happens the Mechanicus story, new level and new boltpistol weapon are already going to make it an amazing update for me
The boltpistol could cause friendly fire, hurt the user, do awful damage to enemy armour and I'd still use it
I will use any weapon no matter how bad everyone else thinks it is
or how bad it actually is
it's competing with Fold Shovels, Rashad Axe, Knife, Power Sword...
unless pickaxe isn't a Vet weapon
Pickaxe is Ogryn only
sadness
Afaik
well at least Ogryns will have fun slamming it into things
But yeah even in Ogryn town it's competing with Shovels
I want a mission modifier called "Warp Altered Munitions" allowing friendly fire
do it
only ranged weapons cause friendly fire
start a match and the Zealot immediately torches his entire squad
It'll be a new mission and some new weapons, but mostly copy pasted pickaxes from the look of it.
May or may not have crafting in it
I do hopet they change it so it's more different than the sapper shovel
it's ok my ex disappointed me enough to develop a natural resistance to it
What'd I just say
Woops
just gimme the new weps
Oh no he noticed!
It's literally not
All the people expecting a mechanicus archetype 😂
If anything, would be a servitor imo
Servitor is an option, but much less explorable as a concept compared to something like a tech adept
Servitor wouldnt be able to have a personality
pickaxes are two handed so I'd guess they attack slow
Vending machine
Janitor
Combat Trainee

ngl fam that sounds 😴 asf
i want sassy adepts
10/10 would play
Servitors are chad
Or ratling. Those are my 2 guesses
Me as I try to make up 3 archetypes on the spot

I wouldn't mind sas either
they are literally lobotomized automatons, shells of their humanity
Honestly what we really need is Orkz i want an Ork archetype
Dakka Time
Ork mercenaries
We'll paint ourselves purple that way the humies cant notice us
The funniest thing is that if humans paint themselves purple, can the orks see them? Power of the Waaagh making their whackie beliefs true and all.
I foresee space kerillian, freebootas, and tech adept being possibly on the menu
Freebootas are the most unlikely
But also would be rad as fuck
Ratling Skitarii with jokes by the Loose Cannon going "Ah sorry. Confused you for a servitor."
Ratlings are very unlikely due to the need for an additional perspective
Despite the voice lines
Also people would be uh
Very disappointed by getting a hobbit instead of anything else
Imagine trying to stab something's head while you're knee height for it
Gotta jump to reach the Plogryn head for a stab
Yeah but you said hope is the first step on the road to disappointment so we should start on the highway of mistakes
This is the darktide discord, run by the obesefish
This is already the highway of mistakes
We're already on it, but it can get worse
What did I miss 👁️
long, pointless, pedantic argument about whether or not DCing midgame is an exploit or not
I see.
Well, it all depends on the person. Simple as.
I feel it's cheesy, sure, but it's definitely not a straight exploit.
Hardly 
Either way, just let people play the game.
I mean, it is using a mechanic, that's unintended
imagine being nuanced and reasonable. Are you new to the internet sir?
I mean frankly the funniest part of the discussion is people not playing the game
By leaving so a bot can replace them

I just had the best fkn game in my life guys. Super intense fights, insane teamplay, amazing players.. Absolutely insane game. 10/10
No. Sadly not.
I've seen horrible shit.
I throw bricks at Glass houses 

At least we got Scalie crètures keeping us going
Lesgo
I'd ask you how you figured that out but my pfp is anything but subtle.
That's perfect! It means we can get onto the road of disappointment easier. We're already in the right neighborhood. Can we stop by McDarkold's on the way?
I want to pick up this week's cosmetic happy meal
This is a good thought on its own except this is a team based game so naturally someone's way of enjoying the game can conflict with another's. I think anyone who disconnects the instant they fall to their knees is a loser but at least the people disconnecting on a squad wipe are being somewhat useful despite the tactic being lame
Everyone is free to play how they want but I am also free to point and laugh
If someone joins a match and goes down immediately then disconnects and reconnects constantly instead of letting the team rescue them they should probably drop the difficulty instead of wasting time
True, I won't do it out of principle, but I'm not about to condemn someone who does.