#veteran-class

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bronze atlas
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i have that penance too and theres not gonna be a whole lot

last parcel
bronze atlas
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yeah ive noticed

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high eff

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i stay at 1 krak when im chilling now

sturdy zephyr
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I think the stats fits you gameplay. You have give a runs and see where the weakpoint to be fix with blessing or perks

bronze atlas
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yeah im gonna take it into the lab even though its a meme gun

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yeah its meme time

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i think reciprocity is probably still better than another red node, ill be dodging with this thing

bronze atlas
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im doing focus farming

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headhunter is going on the recon

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over infernus not speedloader lmao

tall torrent
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wouldn't take reciprocity for these two

last parcel
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fuck defense all my homies attacc chadgryn

radiant chasm
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What does speedloader even do rn

bronze atlas
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im bringing this to like malice to farm poxers

last parcel
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lol infernus on vii

radiant chasm
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Ohh

bronze atlas
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double reload speed

radiant chasm
last parcel
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reloading makes my pp feel good chadgryn

somber axle
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Tbh Infernus isn't nearly as good on the Mk VIIa as it is on the Mk VId but given your options there I'd probably swap Infernus with Dum Dum and change Poxwalkers/Groaners to Maniac

somber axle
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Infernus is just so little value on the Mk VIIa that I'd even prioritize Speedload over it but I'd actively take Infernus almost every time on a Recon Mk VId

bronze atlas
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i dunno what part of "im trying to shoot as many bullets at as many people as i can" people arent understanding

left crag
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pp like pew pew righttt?? right..?

bronze atlas
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very little else matters

sturdy zephyr
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Dum dum best bet.forgot its not good crit chance overall.

tacit sonnet
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Now I'm trying a recon VId

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any changes

sturdy zephyr
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I like mobility so i dont use MM keystone.

bronze atlas
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i realized the real problem with reciprocity was i was using it to reach desperado, and that's not something i want to use

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i want to shoot not swing shovel

last parcel
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and you have 6 seconds to move after a headshot kill

somber axle
sturdy zephyr
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Should read it proper,my bad.

tacit sonnet
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well, where can I get 2 more talent points

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and I have krak so I think I'll be fine anyway

bronze atlas
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just bring a high tier folding shovel

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maulers and crushers will simply not matter

somber axle
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You can't if you're dead set on Marksman's Focus for keystone tbh

sturdy zephyr
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He can ditch out the 75% toughs ness.

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But extra squishy

somber axle
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I mean they said Malice penance farming so like Iron Will might not even be necessary there

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But that doesn't help you get to Rending Strikes any easier

last parcel
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marksman's focus rending subnode chadgryn

somber axle
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That should be fine for the penance farm

sturdy zephyr
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Ahh we try to get the rending?

tall torrent
astral blade
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sooo dev strike procs quite allot

somber axle
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Keep Iron Will

tall torrent
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it's good practice if anything

bronze atlas
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i do this every time i queue quickplay

somber axle
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No reason to try for Rending Strikes on Malice since you don't need to be too sweaty for casual penance farming

sturdy zephyr
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15% elite or 10# rending?thats a choice.

tall torrent
bronze atlas
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this thing really does a number on carapace

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especially with actual builds

tall torrent
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first target is really low

bronze atlas
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only applies when cleaving though

tall torrent
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no

last parcel
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weak spot damage chadgryn

bronze atlas
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hardly matters, weak point damage is the real loss

tall torrent
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no lol

somber axle
sturdy zephyr
tall torrent
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first target is the most important stat

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period

bronze atlas
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is this another "fatshark lying on tooltips for the whole lifespan of the game" thing

tall torrent
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as in

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if u hit one

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first target boosts that

bronze atlas
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ah so yeah

tall torrent
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if u hit two, first target boosts the dmg on first enemy

bronze atlas
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well regardless weakpoint damage is a broke ass perk apparently

tall torrent
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it's the most important stat for everything that has it available

tall torrent
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but low first target is the bigger problem

midnight totem
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Good lord, that was a game

bronze atlas
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applies before the weakpoint modifiers, making it worse for weapons that want to hit weakpoints, which seems like an outright bug

tall torrent
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applies to "bonus" dmg from weakspot hits

bronze atlas
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are you the same person who was very upset by the knife

sturdy zephyr
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30% works both melee n range yes?

tall torrent
bronze atlas
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regardless i have my weapon for "save your bricks" day

last parcel
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i don't need hadron

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i can brick things myself

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damn, can't flush

tall torrent
midnight totem
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I am in so much pain

sturdy zephyr
midnight totem
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Found myself in a game, four psykers, auric excise vault

bronze atlas
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regardless i dont have the resources to farm perfect versions of every weapon veteran is my least played class out of all 4

midnight totem
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I went my illusi, void strike destroyer build

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My other three psykers died

bronze atlas
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i spent like 50k dockets and 2k plasteel making these shovels lol

midnight totem
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One of them dropped as I was making a push to a safer area

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He got swarmed, and we couldn't pick him up. He was pitching at us in voice chat.... and left the game. Predictable

astral blade
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surprisingly devastating strike actually procs more often than i thought it would during a mission

midnight totem
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I went back to try and save him. Got cut off. Still survived. Dunno, I'm just kind of a gigachad

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My other two psykers however, push through the horde, trigger maulers. They get dropped

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Right as I caught up with them

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Then they leave. So I casually destroy the maulers with my voidstrike as I finally get two new players.

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We also pick up a zoom knife zealot that constantly runs off far ahead of us and dies. He also leaves after the third time it happens

bronze atlas
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earlier i had an ogryn who would charge into the middle of elite packs then die, over and over

midnight totem
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Anyway, we get to the finale, we successfully juggle the samples, and holy shit I have four new names to add to my blocklist, that is a record for one game

somber axle
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That sounds like a time LMFAO

midnight totem
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Good thing void strike staff is like a plasma gun

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Except, infinite ammo

last parcel
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bowling ball blaster

tall torrent
midnight totem
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Mine has Warp nexus and surge on it, if it fires off two shots on a crit at max charge? Nothing is surviving

astral blade
midnight totem
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Not the crusher, his brother next to him, the trapper behind them, the collateral pox walkers in front of them, or the stray gunner who was my real target

tall torrent
tall torrent
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Because rn it’s just flat out worse than wrath & savage sweep in just about every way and requires crit which are inconsistent by nature

midnight totem
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If it had 110+ cleave it'd be great

tall torrent
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If it was smth like +100% cleave on Crit, stacks 2 times

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Would be way better

astral blade
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lmao people who hate sounds boards defs have no chill

tall torrent
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Might actually compete with the other 2 cleave blessings depending on build

midnight totem
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Hell.

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I'd keep the cleave. But also add a secondary effect

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Dunno. Brittle for all targets struck during the crit. Or maybe extra finesse modifier on the crit

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I think some blessings could stand a lil more uniqueness

astral blade
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well i may as well switch back to this puppy

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sadly

midnight totem
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Its pretty good though

astral blade
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heh.....penetration

bronze atlas
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the recon lasgun is really inconsistent at actually getting stacks up

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very strange

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like point blank ads at head, no stacks sometimes

last parcel
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yeah

bronze atlas
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i thought bonus stacks would be good buffer room but i think in lieu of proper head shooting i need the sneak around one

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or i could use a laspistol lol

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i think the horde spewing capabilites are too good though

livid peak
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Look what I just had polished up by Hadron

clear lantern
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fuck it, give me so many grenades

late hatch
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I dont think those bullets will work lol

earnest sand
odd sparrow
last parcel
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those bullets need viagra

dreamy spade
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Can you tag through smokes?

austere pine
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exe stance's marking also shows

dreamy spade
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Yeah i might try smokes out

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Good thing about smoke nades is the node below it is a must take

austere pine
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which is

agile forge
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Probably melee damage? Maybe the 10% one?

dreamy spade
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Ye

agile forge
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I wouldn't say must take but it's a very desirable one and a must for certain builds

dreamy spade
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Seriously why isnt frag and smoke swapped lmao

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I guess cuz the old stuff is all on the left

agile forge
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Not on everybody

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Ogryn box is middle (although rocks are basically old boxes I guess)

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Actually that's the only one like that isn't it

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I guess martyrdom counts too (middle)

shadow dagger
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i assume i use left

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what do i replace with what

umbral scaffold
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I hear the blues are callin tossed salad and scrambled eggs fam

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still haven't gotten a viable damnation build for my veteran yo

trim hemlock
dreamy spade
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I stopped using shovel

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Special attack is great but

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When I used rashad 2 instead it just seemed pointless

agile forge
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Shovel is safer but less killy

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Shovel kills crushers better but seems to suck ass on unyielding

umbral scaffold
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am i the only person who thinks the hair looks bad in this game?

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no one ever says it

uncut pebble
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No, the hair does look bad. Not many styles that aren't "I shaved the sides of my head in various ways."

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That's why I wear hoods/helmets on everyone and just leave my ogryn bald.

umbral scaffold
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I named my character after my cat

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only reason i make the hair visible is cause he's orange

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Oh boy I was wondering why damnation was so hard just now my team mates were lvl 19 and 21 LOL

uncut pebble
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They... should not be there.

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I didn't set foot into damnation until at least level 28.

umbral scaffold
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i tried to carry but there was just so many damn gunners

uncut pebble
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I was having the same problem in a damnation maelstrom.

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Literally every gunner on Tertium decided they wanted to shoot me specifically.

umbral scaffold
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o i have that problem with fuggin bursters

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and snipers

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i ran out of ways to deal with the gunners in this situation

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we had a psyker but he never made any barricades

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sad yo

uncut pebble
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Brother was probably running the fire scream or scrier's gaze.

umbral scaffold
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yeah probably

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It's too bad

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I spam bubbles on my psyker and it makes the game easy af for 2 reasons

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trappers and gun fools become impotent

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but the other

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bigger reason

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players congregate at the bubble

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so no one leaves coherency

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no one runs off on their own

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the bubble is a cool tool but friendship is magic as the donkeys say

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As those weird succubus cryptids say

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friendship is magic!!

uncut pebble
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I use bubble more for myself than anything. I am a very selfish psyker player.

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I can't exactly shoot anything when I am being suppressed.

umbral scaffold
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Well that's fair

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It'ss been a long time since i've played psyker sdince they nerfed psychic knives of throwing

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and i remember spamming bubble anytime it was up

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and increaased squad coherency was generally observable

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so even if you do it for yourself

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if you're at least with your team

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it has the added benefit of being a visible indicator oof where to be

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you can kinda sorta ya know control your team mates movements

uncut pebble
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"Stand here if you don't want to get shot by the 28 gunners that decided to spawn."

umbral scaffold
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yeh

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it's implied

uncut pebble
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Anyway, assail is still quite good.

umbral scaffold
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i know it is

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but i miss when it was super op

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i've taken a braek cause i used it so much it's hard to stomach the nerf

uncut pebble
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I run a peril edging gunker build only right now, trying to get a good purgatus staff to make a soulblaze build though.

umbral scaffold
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i lvl'd all the way from 10 to 30 using assail

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welp

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i just play a shitty psyker anymore tbh

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my build is shitty

tacit sonnet
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Does plasma care about rending? Are those 10% worth?

coral willow
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no

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same reason we dont use shattering impact

untold moth
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Can someone share their build for helbore, and also maybe link their helbore s well

tacit sonnet
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that's what I use, 2 free points for whatever, more crit, field improv, stamina regen delay. You can also fit deadshot if you want, but I don't like it

untold moth
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Ty

oblique totem
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Last I heard, Deadshot doesn't work for plasma guns. True?

coral willow
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idk but nobody uses the chargeshot if they're sane rn so

tacit sonnet
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why no one takes 8 stacks of focus target?

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Is it just not worth?

livid peak
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How good is this burn stick?

agile forge
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It isn't bad but you can get more bang out of another talent choice usually

coral willow
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melk gave me some good shit and hadron ruined it with punishing salvo

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lmfao

digital cairn
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Depends on the gun

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It's janky

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In general it's not short 34, it's shot 234, and it will reset very very fast on automatic guns, to the point where any time you stop shooting you get the buff back

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So every burst gets the uplift

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The power one is massively better than the weak spot damage on, but the volley blessings are better than you might think

junior needle
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with the inspect screen

junior needle
junior needle
digital cairn
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Recons are very much in need of love in general though, so I guess you run best in slot blessings or just cry

junior needle
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It's fine on things you want to burst fire anyway, like the agri

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iag that is

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But there's typically better options that don't require playstyle adjustments

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Like with helbores

digital cairn
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It's good on all the iag options

junior needle
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It doesn't compete with dumdum at all

digital cairn
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Though again, power is better than weakspot damage

junior needle
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Your second blessing slot is largely superfluous on iag's though

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So you can take whatever there and be at 95% potential

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But on something like ciag, leveraging salvo blessings is a waste of dps potential

junior needle
# livid peak How good is this burn stick?

Recons are doing quite poorly at the moment, and you also only hit infernus 3. If you must use it then switch out stripped for headhunter and one of the perks for your choice of flak/maniac/crit chance.

But keep in mind, they are very numerically undertuned.

tacit sonnet
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So that means it will very slightly help with carapace damage

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And that's it

junior needle
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It has extremely high adm's at all ranges

tacit sonnet
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yea, I know that rending over 100% is never worth

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It used to be better but was changed

junior needle
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It's not useless, but the margin for usefulness is much lower.

junior needle
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Rending used to work in a dumb convoluted way that didn't make sense

tacit sonnet
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worse? I always thought over 100% rending used to be better

junior needle
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iirc it had less actual value based on the numbers, but I do not recall how it used to work over 100% so you could be correct there

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so 10% rending wasn't actually 10% adm adjustment before

tacit sonnet
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ok, good to know, thanks

midnight totem
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Morning

white minnow
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rending used to just be multiplicative

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e.g, if you did 0.8 adms, 40% rending meant that you did 0.8 + (1 - 0.8) * 0.4 = 0.88 instead

midnight totem
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I'm over that psyker game yesterday

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They died. I survived. It's why I'm an ASS

sinful swallow
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I don't use that title because it abbreviates to ass lmao

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Reject until I get shift leader Primus

wraith flare
midnight totem
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You can either be the best SLP

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Or have the best ASS

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I choose the latter

midnight totem
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I use different titles for all of my characters though

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My psyker is Archivum sage

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Ogryn is shift leader

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Zealot is nomad

tacit sonnet
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thoughts?

junior needle
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Looks gud, you should be able to hit both bruiser types without investment

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Check to make sure and also see how many HT stacks are needed if any

tacit sonnet
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If I get a couple headtaker stacks, yes

thick kestrel
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query: I suspect my knowledge of curio set up has probably drifted a bit... is there a current feel for the perks we want to be chasing at the moment?

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like, gunner and sniper resistance are always welcome... as well as toughness regen? but is combat ability regen still welcome or is it worth leaning into corruption resistance these days? those kinds of details :>

hearty panther
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part of it is preferences and playstyles

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i do sprint and block efficiency cause i use both a lot and put high value on my stamina

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but if that isnt how you play then they arent gonna do anything for you

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CDR is always good

somber axle
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I think I'm actively starting to hate people who go down and disconnect only to keep reconnecting into match

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like

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they're such dead weight LMFAO

digital cairn
somber axle
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I don't even mind protecting new players but people clinging to cheese are so lame

terse idol
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I hate this, it's cheating the game

thick kestrel
thick kestrel
somber axle
somber axle
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just them insta-disconnecting when they go down and then reconnecting as soon as they can

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rinse and repeat

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loser is on his knees the whole match and barely in the game

thick kestrel
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yeah, been seeing it a lot more recently

somber axle
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like at least the people being lame and disconnecting during a squad wipe are trying to stop a wipe

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People who disconnect every time they go down are pathetic

thick kestrel
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did have it happen with 3 of them disconnecting and letting me get away with a solo win at one point.

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but as you can see from the enemy count... yeah...

vernal sundial
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my game froze and got me killed at 9/10 for auric exemplar, then dropped me through the map after i got grabbed at 7/10
and a teammate tk'd me by barreling me off a ledge at 8

im not even gonna alt f4 it, ive just accepted im never going to get the penance

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titleless gang forever

thick kestrel
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Hestia's titles are more a mark of progress at this stage it seems ^^

somber axle
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I think that was the shortest time I've ever seen an Ogryn join a match LMFAO

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dude joined, charges forward, dies to gunners and then disconnects while I'm literally in infiltrate running over to get him up

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like man

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just queue for heresy if you're going to play like this

wanton dawn
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Nah, you were to slow to rez

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Git gud

somber axle
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he was in the match for maybe like

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5 seconds

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😩

junior needle
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Every time I go down it's the teams fault chadgryn

remote gale
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For power swords, already have tier 4 Power Cycler on another worth the pickup?

junior needle
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Also very rare

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So yes

remote gale
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Sire Melk came in clutch today 🙏

junior needle
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It's cycler and either brutal or sunder, sunder is more defensive oriented as it lets your swings not stop when hitting carapace/bulark shields and also reduces enemy hit mass by like 1/4 or something.

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So you can hitstun mixed hordes a lot better

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But doesn't necessarily improve your clear

remote gale
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my current Power Sword had Cycler + Supercharge

junior needle
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Supercharge is nearly useless currently

lime gyro
somber axle
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so I can at least say someone disconnecting during a wipe is being useful

lime gyro
hearty panther
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id rather take the L

lime gyro
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Good for u

terse idol
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Literally exploit abusing

dreamy spade
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I still don't understand ranged specialist is it basically 99% on first 3 shots if you have 9 stacks?

lime gyro
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If you think thats what exploiting is i think you need to look up the definition of what abusing an exploit is

hearty panther
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its literally exploiting lol

lime gyro
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How is leaving a game exploiting

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Pls explain im genuinely curious

bitter turtle
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it depends on how you define an exploit but if we go by "using a game mechanic in an unintended way" I doubt fs intended dcing to function as a self res

hearty panther
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and yes im sure the clown emoji is borne of genuine curiosity

lime gyro
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I dont know how leaving a match can be defined as an exploit

bitter turtle
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Again

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It depends on ur definition

lime gyro
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Yea it is the borne of genuine curiosity mr exploits

bitter turtle
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So if we go by

lime gyro
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Ur named after exploits after all explain how leaving a match is exploiting

bitter turtle
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Use of unintended effects of a game mechanic to leverage an advantage

dreamy spade
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Exploit is referring to this definition

hearty panther
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because you're leaving to dump a bot when you should just sit the rest of the round through

dreamy spade
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make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand

bitter turtle
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Yea it's an exploit

dreamy spade
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So it's subjective

lime gyro
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Ok so leaving the match to replace myself with a bot is somehow exploiting yet no real reasons is given on why its exploiting

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I dont even rejoin the matches that i leave so explain

hearty panther
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if you arent intentionally doing it and are genuinely just a huge baby who quits whenever you hit the ground, then i guess in that strict sense its not an exploit so much as you just suck

lime gyro
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Re read what i said

lime gyro
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Ok mr exploits?

hearty panther
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but you know it drops a bot and you know it impacts the round

hearty panther
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so you are exploiting

lime gyro
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How is that an exploit its a literal ingame mechanic

tall torrent
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the crit chance bonus only applies to the very first shot

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after 3 stacks it basically does nothing

lime gyro
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If someone was leaving just to rejoin ok u may have had a point

bitter turtle
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Even if you don't rejoin I don't think fs intended leaving to be a way to hail mary a bot to res a fully downed team

lime gyro
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But trying to call leaving the match exploiting is idiotic

dreamy spade
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I mean, I'm using a revolver so I don't mind but that's kinda shit for other guns. Like any stack after 3 goes to waste on the crit front

hearty panther
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because you're leaving to dump a bot when you should just sit the rest of the round through

lime gyro
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Blame fatshark for addings bots then

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Change ur name cuz i dont think u know what exploits are

bitter turtle
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Well I'm not rly blaming someone

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Just saying it's probably not the intended design of dcing

dreamy spade
hearty panther
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and yes thats always been my issue with wep spec. its incredibly powerful ... for like two guns lol

lime gyro
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Leaving the match = Exploit 😂

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Ok buddy

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If that helps u sleep better ok

hearty panther
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i mean its that or youre a quitter

lime gyro
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Yep

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Whatever u gotta tell urself

bitter turtle
lime gyro
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👍🏽

bitter turtle
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Plasma revolver headhunters laspistol

hearty panther
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its good on a lot of melee weapons but guns specifically? very niche output

bitter turtle
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Plus the melee part is really really good so the gun buffs are just a nice bonus

hearty panther
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its a very bloated keystone

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yea

bitter turtle
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But still

lime gyro
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Just closed my darktide game dont ban me for exploits ok?

bitter turtle
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That list is more than just 2

dreamy spade
bitter turtle
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V3 is one of the few guns that benefit from both fire rate and guaranteed crit

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As well

lime gyro
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Never knew the leave game option was unintentional and was a bug

dreamy spade
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Well its a loophole to make the game easier

lime gyro
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😂

dreamy spade
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So people will deem that an exploit

hearty panther
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right now tho i just see it as "make revolver more stupider and also be zealot for 10s after every ranged kill"

dreamy spade
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The devs obviously never intended people to do that

bitter turtle
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Do you think fatshark intended leaving to be a way to summon a bot to hail mary res to save a run

dreamy spade
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They just dont know how to solve it

bitter turtle
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And then ask are ppl leveraging that unintended effect to create an advantage

dreamy spade
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Like when a russian triggers a dh and leaves

bitter turtle
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I don't really care if ppl do it mind you

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I'm just saying if you define an exploit a certain way

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Yeah it's an exploit

hearty panther
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its mostly wasting everyone elses time

lime gyro
hearty panther
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and i dont really care to earn my wins off the back of one

lime gyro
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If thats exploiting then ban me 😂

bitter turtle
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Yeah but that's the thing

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I don't think fatshark intended leaving to be a way to replace yourself with something more useful

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But I also think it doesn't really matter

midnight totem
bitter turtle
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It's an exploit but who cares

lime gyro
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The point of bots is to fill in for players if they were meant to be useless then why even include them into the game to begin with

midnight totem
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But I got it. You can do it

bitter turtle
#

Comboing in fighting games was originally an exploit

bitter turtle
dreamy spade
#

Anyway who tf uses mk6 blade

#

The heavy is a sweep attack

bitter turtle
#

Mk6 is thw superior knife

dreamy spade
#

On the lowest cleave weapon....

bitter turtle
#

So

#

You can push attack if you want single target

#

It's higher dps on both knives than heavies anyway

dreamy spade
#

Thst requires stamina

bitter turtle
#

That is true

#

But even mk3 gets higher dps from pushatk

#

So learning to manage that is already a thing u should know

iron marten
#

destroying a crusher in 2 secs will never not be funny

lime gyro
#

Thanks for repeating what i said but that still doesnt answer the main point which is if bots are meant to be useless why incorporate them into the game to begin with

dreamy spade
#

I wanna use it but mk3 just seems a lot easier

midnight totem
bitter turtle
lime gyro
#

Theure meant to assist the player

#

Correct?

dreamy spade
#

Especially when my build requirws a lot of skill not to die lol

bitter turtle
#

They are meant to replace absent players, not dead ones

#

Is all

lime gyro
#

Its a simple yes or no question

midnight totem
#

Guarantee that slug or lawbringer special round to crit

vernal sundial
iron marten
bitter turtle
#

I don't really like wep special shotty

midnight totem
#

Or swap to attack speed boosted agrippina braced autogun

bitter turtle
#

In theory it's cool and all but I think in practice you're better served going FT

midnight totem
#

Even if only the first rew rounds are crits

#

It's a lotta pepper being dumped

#

Infact, I've used it with deadshot braced auto to pretty devastating effect

iron marten
#

I'm at the point where I'm just thinking of stupid shit to do on vet

#

like knife + helbore with wep spec lmao

midnight totem
#

Is it optimal

#

No

#

But it's much better then it sounds

#

Turn your braced auto into a true space m60

bitter turtle
#

i do kinda feel like

#

ive run out of things to try

#

on vet

#

😔

dreamy spade
#

Did you try my rat build

bitter turtle
#

idk what that is

midnight totem
#

It's okay

#

After the update

#

We'll all make a boomstick build, like "this is what the lawbringer should've been"

midnight totem
#

It'll be groovy

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

also

bitter turtle
midnight totem
#

You discover the 4th path. Shovel.

bitter turtle
#

i alr played shovel too

#

i quite literally

#

have almost every melee and gun rolled

tall torrent
#

Play zealot’s melee weapons ig

bitter turtle
#

there

#

is only one zealot build i believe in

#

katana taxe4 with no gun

tall torrent
#

Crusher is super strong

bitter turtle
#

i think its just time for a break until SEKRITS OF THE MECHANICUS or whatever

#

better be some gud sekrits

#

in all seriousness

midnight totem
#

The secret is not a... -checks notes- improved crafting system

bitter turtle
#

i dont like playing zealot sometimes

#

bc genuinely using guns on zealot feels boring

tall torrent
#

Gun zealot, also known as throwing knife railgunner

old quail
# tall torrent Crusher is super strong

i got into an argument with a dude around the time p14 dropped because he was mad he wasn't getting no-setup one shots on like gunners and shotgunners with the crusher

#

now that i think about it i should shout him out in the crusher guide

tall torrent
#

I think besides monster DPS and carapace deletion crusher is basically the best thing u can have ngl

last parcel
tall torrent
#

It truly can fight like everything

old quail
#

he was sort of right in a way that only works if you're focusing on very specific psykhanium parameters but he also didn't actually care for evidence he just didn't like the crusher

tall torrent
#

But that monster dmg is just KEKW_ogryn

iron marten
tall torrent
#

Rashad hits for like 2k on weakspot overhead and almost 4k on crit weakspot
Crusher hits for like 1.8k on empowered H1 weakspot KEKW_ogryn

old quail
#

there's basically no reason to activate for damage unless you're chastising and already committing to a wind-up where it doesn't really take more time

tall torrent
elder fiber
#

crusher is already absurdly safe, doesn't also need to be boss killer lol

tall torrent
#

Non-power H1 is like 1.5~1.6k on weakspot

old quail
#

zealot also gets anywhere from like 25-50% attack speed depending on build and if you have chastise's lingering buff active or not

#

i'd rate it above a lot of zealot weapons because it does good unyielding without also requiring some sort of investment that is risk/reward, like you don't have to rev or deal with an activate that also has a lingering stun

dreamy spade
old quail
#

it's also one of your best unyielding damage options for standard elites, single target bulwark i think it's unmatched or on par with rashad on a consistency basis

wanton dawn
dreamy spade
#

Ik

#

but u can see the damage before that

wanton dawn
#

Well, it is a BoN weakspot hit

terse idol
somber axle
# dreamy spade make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand

I'm late but that definition is for cheating, not exploiting. Exploiting refers specifically to using a game mechanic in an unintended way to get an advantage you otherwise wouldn't. Like using a Skyrim horse to ride up the side of a mountain. Definitely unintentional by the devs. Definitely an exploit. Definitely hilarious and saves time though. If you lost a run by having a team wipe, disconnecting to put a bot into the match just so the bot can get one person back on their feet only for you to reconnect after is objectively an exploit no matter how you want to spin it

bitter turtle
#

welll

#

their argument was

#

they arent reconnecting

#

but its still an exploit technically

#

not that i really care if ppl do it

somber axle
#

Psh

#

"I'm not reconnecting"

#

I think the devs should just fix it

#

Make it so that if a player disconnects while down, the bot spawns in downed

#

seems pretty easy

#

also fix the bug that lets people continue to earn Auric Storm Survivor/Auric Exemplar by disconnecting before they die

#

at a certain point I can't blame the players for doing lame thing

#

The devs made it possible to do lame thing

#

Remove lame thing

midnight totem
#

I just want the power sword skin to come again

somber axle
#

People will only be as lame as they can get away with

midnight totem
#

And maybe a black recolor of my beloved goggles and mask

somber axle
#

I want goggles + vox headset

midnight totem
#

I'll accept this

somber axle
#

pls give me a version that has both at once

lime gyro
#

explain how leaving game is exploit

somber axle
# lime gyro explain how leaving game is exploit

I'm late but that definition is for cheating, not exploiting. Exploiting refers specifically to using a game mechanic in an unintended way to get an advantage you otherwise wouldn't. Like using a Skyrim horse to ride up the side of a mountain. Definitely unintentional by the devs. Definitely an exploit. Definitely hilarious and saves time though. If you lost a run by having a team wipe, disconnecting to put a bot into the match just so the bot can get one person back on their feet only for you to reconnect after is objectively an exploit no matter how you want to spin it

lime gyro
somber axle
#

that's the true iron man challenge

hearty panther
#

Facts

lime gyro
#

That doesnt explain how leaving=exploit

somber axle
#

It does if you read it

#

It doesn't if you pretend it didn't happen

last parcel
#

what the fuck is read

lime gyro
#

You compared leaving a game to using a horse to glitch up mountains on skyrim

#

That doesnt explain how leaving a game is exploiting

somber axle
#

Yes

#

You're a silly horse glitching up a mountain when you leave a match to save a wipe

#

If you do not like being that horse

#

Stop being that horse

#

Stop disconnecting

#

Or just ignore me and continue to be a horse

lime gyro
#

What disconnecting

midnight totem
#

I wish I was a horse

lime gyro
#

I said i leave and don't rejoin how is that exploiting

hearty panther
#

Specifically when you're waiting for the match to be a loss

midnight totem
#

I knew some girls who were into horses. Hot, but insane

bitter turtle
#

like hypothetically

#

just pretend

somber axle
bitter turtle
#

there wa san exploit where you can leave and instantly win the match for 3 other players

#

that would obv still be an exploit

#

even if u arent benefitting personally

lime gyro
#

Still not a single person has explained how leaving a match = exploiting

bitter turtle
#

i have explained it

#

you ignored it

#

even though it was a simple yes or no question like you said

lime gyro
#

Youre just drawing up ridiculous comparisons thats not an explanation

somber axle
#

You're right I'm not a person. I'm a cat and a clown

midnight totem
#

I don't think either of you are gonna change each other's minds though

bitter turtle
#

as i said

wild vortex
bitter turtle
#

yes or no
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match

terse idol
wild vortex
#

It's okay. That's like 90% of humanity.

lime gyro
#

comparing leaving a match to using a horse to glitch up a mountain is not an explanation

#

its a comparison

#

and a really bad one at that

terse idol
#

Wherein the intention is to just, die

somber axle
terse idol
#

If you lose

bitter turtle
#

just answer this
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match

lime gyro
#

Ah shit bout to exploit

#

Why fatshark put this in game

terse idol
bitter turtle
#

if you think FS intended this then w/e we have nothing to talk about

lime gyro
#

you somehow tried to correlate a skyrim horse glitch to leaving a match

#

it makes no correlation and does not explain how leaving a match is exploiting

wild vortex
#

Oh my fucking god I hate pedants so much

lime gyro
#

good for you

#

keep hating and fuck off then

last parcel
somber axle
#

Hold on lemme post an exploit you should try instead

#

it's not an exploit if you do this during a game

#

trust me

lime gyro
#

you should take ur own advice

#

it wouldnt surprise me if u considered that a exploit too

#

🤣

last parcel
somber axle
#

I was a beta clown

#

I was THERE

#

during the dawn of Darktide when we were meat in a grinder

wild vortex
#

You're part of the tester program too?

midnight totem
#

Oh gods

last parcel
#

3000 years ago

midnight totem
#

Not just one

#

But two clown hats

hearty panther
#

back when psykers had shotguns and the future was bright

lime gyro
#

Hey make sure not to log off from darktide or else youre exploiting

wild vortex
midnight totem
#

You know, I didn't know jester hats were called

#

cockscombs

somber axle
hearty panther
terse idol
#

Like the intention

#

Of losing in the game

#

Is that

#

You stay in the game

#

And lose with your team

lime gyro
#

Dont lose in the game or else ur exploiting

#

🤣

terse idol
#

If you're saying that you can just

#

Leave

#

To spawn a bot

#

And not reconnect

lime gyro
#

Listen man quite frankly i dont care

terse idol
#

I mean it's just a undersight by the dev team

somber axle
#

I was there when the top Vet build was Kantrael XII because Exe Stance let you just have 75% toughness damage reduction and you could literally stand out in the open eating a hailstorm of gunfire from every enemy everywhere including snipers and just ignore them and keep shooting

lime gyro
#

if u cant explain how leaving a game is exploiting i dont care

terse idol
#

People use it as an exploit

#

To save games

lime gyro
#

if im of no benefit to the team i leave the match its really that simple

terse idol
#

You've only just said you didn't leave, but you're still just giving your team a "chance" while you could have just lost with them

bitter turtle
#

😔

lime gyro
#

u didnt explain it

terse idol
#

Because the dev team didn't account for people to just leave

bitter turtle
#

yes i did

lime gyro
#

u couldnt even answer a yes or no question

terse idol
#

Which spawns another body

somber axle
lime gyro
#

you just reaffirmed what i said regarding bots and left it at that

bitter turtle
#

answer mine first then cus u ignored this originally
do you think FS intended for ppl to hail mary a bot to res people off the floor by leaving a match

terse idol
#

Which could theoretically save the game

wild vortex
#

You guys are getting trolled so hard rn

last parcel
#

bro is eating good

wild vortex
#

Bait used to be believable

lime gyro
#

who said anything about leaving them right as they start

#

now youre just putting words in my mouth

#

same thing about the whole disconnecting and rejoining nonsense

old quail
#

actually the words are being put on your screen

somber axle
#

Do you guys remember when Camo Stance was a thing on Vet

lime gyro
#

Thanks J(SH(O (Jaan Koeuanian), really cool!

hearty panther
#

i try to forget

old quail
#

don't say that name too many times or you'll summon the guy who turned me into this

lime gyro
#

challenge accepted

#

do i gotta do it like bloody mary

#

go into the bathroom turn off the lights and say it 3 times

terse idol
#

And take the L

lime gyro
#

Leaving the match is still taking the L is it not

old quail
#

you have to do that but with aha blueberry pomegranate sparkling water or bring up something from the 80s (he hates the 80s)

bitter turtle
#

it doesnt register as a loss

#

for the purposes of achievements

#

as well as on scoreboard mod record

lime gyro
#

ok but its still a loss whether it registers as one or not cuz it most definitely doesnt register as a win

bitter turtle
#

so no matter how you slice it in this case, no, its actually not taking an L

#

tfw still ignored my question too

lime gyro
#

so your whole point is thrown out of the window its still a personal loss

bitter turtle
#

its not a personal loss

lime gyro
#

whenever you get around to answering my yes or no question

#

ok so what is it then a personal w?

bitter turtle
#

your personal achievements that are affected by losing

somber axle
bitter turtle
#

are not affected

lime gyro
#

Ok so is it a win?

bitter turtle
#

its as if the game never existed 👻

lime gyro
#

i leave the match= i win?

#

10/10 logic right there

bitter turtle
#

no, you neither win or lose

#

punishments for losing are not applied

lime gyro
#

no way we get punished for losing

bitter turtle
#

yes we do

lime gyro
#

🤣

bitter turtle
#

achievements

lime gyro
#

Wow what a severe punishment!

bitter turtle
#

why else do you think ppl dc scum

#

well

#

whether its minor or not

#

you are the one who asked

#

whats the difference

#

so i answered

#

no its technically not taking the L, the game doesn't treat it as an L

lime gyro
#

you confuse me for people who leave as soon as they get downed and then rejoin to save an achievement

#

i leave if im of no benefit to the team and go join a new match

bitter turtle
#

smh

lime gyro
#

if that's what exploiting is then u can cry about my exploits

bitter turtle
#

asking things and then getting an answer and being a wanker about it

lime gyro
#

no way we get punishment is a question now

bitter turtle
#

i dont really care what you do

lime gyro
#

Okkkkkk

bitter turtle
#

its a casual pve game

#

i alr said earlier

lime gyro
#

if you dont care then stop trying to argue something that i stopped entertaining

bitter turtle
#

i dont really care if people "exploit" in this manner

#

im just saying

#

it can be seen as one yes

lime gyro
#

🔥

somber axle
#

btw do we know what cosmetics are hitting store rotation in 2 days? Eyes

#

or is it too early to know that

lime gyro
#

Lucifer blacks

bitter turtle
#

pls read

#

i know its hard

somber axle
#

I know sometimes people figure out stuff early

lime gyro
#

no you didnt liar

#

stop arguing with me if u dont care

bitter turtle
#

yes

#

i dont care if ppl do it on a personal level

#

u are included in people no?

#

unless ur not a person

lime gyro
#

u generalized and said people didnt specify me specifically

#

dont care

#

stop arguing if u dont care

#

really simple ok smart boi?

#

use that brain power of urs

bitter turtle
#

im not a boy

lime gyro
#

Ok smart girl?

bitter turtle
#

😔

lime gyro
#

Sorry

bitter turtle
#

im not a girl either 😔

lime gyro
#

Ok smart anime writing?

bitter turtle
#

im not an anime (if only)

#

😔

lime gyro
#

Thats it

last parcel
#

😔

bitter turtle
#

thanks for trying though

bitter turtle
#

i appreciate it

lime gyro
#

i use black stone fortress attack ability

bitter turtle
#

i said from the beginning anyway that i dont think exploits are neccessarily bad smh

#

like combos in fighting games

#

😔

lime gyro
#

my whole stance is i dont see leaving a match as an exploit

#

if someone was leaving a match if they got downed just to rejoin and skip a rez or being freed from a trap or to save an achievement

#

ok u have a point

bitter turtle
#

well you're doing something
that the devs prob didnt intend to be used in such a way
and it creates an advantage

#

idk

#

i can see it

#

does it matter

#

prob not though

#

most of the time the bots are only marginally more useful than a dead person

#

as in not very useful at all

tall torrent
#

U guys are just arguing semantics for nothing KEKW_ogryn

bitter turtle
#

the best kind of argument

lime gyro
#

like i said if im not benefitting the team in anyway what so ever (which is rarely but everyone has bad games) i will simply leave because at that point a bot is more useful then i am to the team

somber axle
tall torrent
somber axle
somber axle
bitter turtle
#

yea so you're helping your team through a mechanic the devs prob didnt intend to be used in that way

quitting the game is supposed to be "your baby is shitting itself" or "you forgot to turn off your stove and your house burst into flames" or "you forgot to pick up your child from school 8 hours ago"

#

not

#

"summon a bot to assist your living teammates"

potent elk
last parcel
somber axle
terse idol
#

Mayonnaise popcorn

bitter turtle
#

now if you think the devs did intend for you to use it that way

somber axle
#

no I have not

bitter turtle
#

then

terse idol
#

As dip

bitter turtle
#

fair enough honestly?

lime gyro
#

if bots arent there to assist players then there's no purpose for bots to even be implemented in the game to begin with

bitter turtle
#

i dont agree but its not like we can read minds

somber axle
#

I'm basic so I've only had popcorn and caramel popcorn

lime gyro
#

the whole purpose of bots is to assist players

#

thats the reason why they even exist to begin with

somber axle
#

there's a place here that does specialty popcorn but I've never tried it

terse idol
#

Not to save a run by dcing

#

☺️

lime gyro
#

dcing would imply that you're rejoining the same match

terse idol
#

Literally there to replace teammates you don't have

lime gyro
#

i simply leave not disconnect

distant girder
terse idol
#

It's interchangable

#

If you leave

#

You DC.

#

It's a Disconnect.

lime gyro
#

Ok so if they're there to replace team mates that you dont have then how is it an issue that they replace me if im not benefitting anyone in the team

hearty panther
#

uh, mods

lime gyro
#

you just said yourself they're there to replace teammates

#

i been dropped the topic just tog et pinged 3 times back to back about it

#

go call your mods now

bitter turtle
#

he meant the pickle seggs

#

you fool

distant girder
# terse idol You DC.

No...disconnecting means the servers have had a stroke and the game has crashed or lost connection

hearty panther
#

its grotesque

bitter turtle
#

i cant have pure christian thoughts looking at that gif

lime gyro
#

thats actually a cultural dish down here in florida i'd appreciate if you put some respect on it

bitter turtle
#

til floridans are fucking disgusting

#

jk

hearty panther
#

florida cant sink fast enough

lime gyro
#

jit

lime gyro
#

you should try pickled hot dogs

lime gyro
#

💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

terse idol
#

The result always is

#

You've left the game

lime gyro
#

Looool man

terse idol
lime gyro
#

Ah shit just exploited again

#

Darn it

bitter turtle
#

why do you keep dying 😔

lime gyro
#

Na my game crashed

somber axle
wild vortex
#

yesterday we get that guy telling people to off themselves for disagreeing about the no-ammo maelstrom mod. Today we get this guy. You can tell playerbase spiking in anticipating of 25th June

#

God Emperor willing we get a kickass update and tons of active players

bitter turtle
#

and what if it sucks ass

#

are you gonna blame the god emperor if its shit

wild vortex
#

then we mope and cope

fiery wave
bitter turtle
#

why does he only get credit when things go right

#

what a fucking scam

wild vortex
#

welcome to religion

last parcel
wild vortex
somber axle
#

The boltpistol could cause friendly fire, hurt the user, do awful damage to enemy armour and I'd still use it

#

I will use any weapon no matter how bad everyone else thinks it is

#

or how bad it actually is

wild vortex
#

I do want to see what they cook with the pickaxe

#

Hank has been hyping it up

somber axle
#

it's competing with Fold Shovels, Rashad Axe, Knife, Power Sword...

#

unless pickaxe isn't a Vet weapon

wild vortex
#

Pickaxe is Ogryn only

somber axle
#

sadness

wild vortex
#

Afaik

somber axle
#

well at least Ogryns will have fun slamming it into things

bitter turtle
#

add friendly fire

#

grenades included

wild vortex
#

But yeah even in Ogryn town it's competing with Shovels

somber axle
#

I want a mission modifier called "Warp Altered Munitions" allowing friendly fire

#

do it

#

only ranged weapons cause friendly fire

#

start a match and the Zealot immediately torches his entire squad

junior needle
#

It'll be a new mission and some new weapons, but mostly copy pasted pickaxes from the look of it.

#

May or may not have crafting in it

terse idol
#

I do hopet they change it so it's more different than the sapper shovel

somber axle
# junior needle

it's ok my ex disappointed me enough to develop a natural resistance to it

terse idol
#

Woops

hearty panther
#

just gimme the new weps

terse idol
#

Me as I

#

Reading comprehension

junior needle
#

Don't get your hopes up

#

It's for your own good

oblique totem
#

Oh no he noticed!

somber axle
midnight totem
#

Skaven confirmed

#

KILL IT

distant girder
lime gyro
distant girder
#

If anything, would be a servitor imo

junior needle
#

Servitor is an option, but much less explorable as a concept compared to something like a tech adept

radiant chasm
#

Servitor wouldnt be able to have a personality

sleek garden
terse idol
radiant chasm
#

ngl fam that sounds 😴 asf

#

i want sassy adepts

lime gyro
#

Servitors are chad

distant girder
#

Or ratling. Those are my 2 guesses

terse idol
#

I wouldn't mind sas either

radiant chasm
#

they are literally lobotomized automatons, shells of their humanity

lime gyro
#

Dakka Time

distant girder
#

Ork mercenaries

lime gyro
#

We'll paint ourselves purple that way the humies cant notice us

hollow turtle
#

The funniest thing is that if humans paint themselves purple, can the orks see them? Power of the Waaagh making their whackie beliefs true and all.

serene bough
#

ill take a bolt pistol

#

but i do want some xeno tech too

junior needle
#

I foresee space kerillian, freebootas, and tech adept being possibly on the menu

#

Freebootas are the most unlikely

#

But also would be rad as fuck

somber axle
junior needle
#

Ratlings are very unlikely due to the need for an additional perspective

#

Despite the voice lines

#

Also people would be uh

#

Very disappointed by getting a hobbit instead of anything else

somber axle
#

Imagine trying to stab something's head while you're knee height for it

#

Gotta jump to reach the Plogryn head for a stab

somber axle
junior needle
#

This is already the highway of mistakes

#

We're already on it, but it can get worse

wild vortex
umbral garnet
#

I see.

#

Well, it all depends on the person. Simple as.

#

I feel it's cheesy, sure, but it's definitely not a straight exploit.

terse idol
#

Hardly chad

umbral garnet
#

Either way, just let people play the game.

terse idol
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I mean, it is using a mechanic, that's unintended

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By leaving so a bot can replace them

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I just had the best fkn game in my life guys. Super intense fights, insane teamplay, amazing players.. Absolutely insane game. 10/10

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The wonders of unsupervised interent access!

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(I am deeply disturbed 👍)

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Lesgo

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I want to pick up this week's cosmetic happy meal

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# umbral garnet Either way, just let people play the game.

This is a good thought on its own except this is a team based game so naturally someone's way of enjoying the game can conflict with another's. I think anyone who disconnects the instant they fall to their knees is a loser but at least the people disconnecting on a squad wipe are being somewhat useful despite the tactic being lame

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Everyone is free to play how they want but I am also free to point and laugh

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If someone joins a match and goes down immediately then disconnects and reconnects constantly instead of letting the team rescue them they should probably drop the difficulty instead of wasting time

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