veteran-class

[somber axle]

That's with funny clown set up

I can show you my clown set up

One sec

[snow cypress]

oh ye ye

yeah,but i use the build I said before and I told you

this one

[snow cypress]

WTFFFFFFFFFF

DAMM THAT'S SICK

[somber axle]

Oh wait wrong talent tree

LMFAO

[snow cypress]

lmao

[tall torrent]

3 stamina with knife is a special level of insanity

[snow cypress]

XDDDD

[umbral scaffold]

what are veterans best horde clear melee options

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 combat axe
Mk6 power sword

[snow cypress]

prob power sword

[somber axle]

Yes I am a clown

[umbral scaffold]

power sword

[snow cypress]

It is like cutting butter

lol

[snow cypress]

which is the correct one?

[somber axle]

You gotta pet the Recon for good luck

[snow cypress]

damm sick

but no stealth

:[

[somber axle]

My Recon only gets 2HKO knife kills tho

[agile forge]

Cleave chainsword 4

Ie something like savage sweep rampage

Or shred rampage

Clears on heavies disgustingly quickly

Plus very good mobility

I take it usually if my kit has another way to kill crushers

Eg krak, plasma, zarona

[somber axle]

Yeah you can use the Infiltrate build if you prefer going WoW Rogue style on Crushers

Keep in mind you need 5 stack Uncanny, 5 stack Executor, +25% Carapace perk and a solid spread of stats between Damage/Finesse/First Target/Penetration and the talent set I showed to do the 1HKO

But you can casually 3HKO Crushers without much set up in less than a second time to kill too

[astral blade]

The fuck is this shit wouldn’t the middle passive be better for the left hand side of the tree

[somber axle]

This isn't my vid but I share it because with the right knife and talent tree you can still almost insta-kill Crushers

[somber axle]

That's my Recon Mk VId build

I am a Recon main

If you wonder why

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-libre-why-but-gif-23595404

[snow cypress]

I use a build that 3HKO cruchers

or 4 because i'm bad

XD

[snow cypress]

Is the one I usually use with smoke

[snow cypress]

lmao

[somber axle]

Because I can kill a Crusher with 5 ammo on a gun that has 100+ ammo per clip and 800-ish ammo in reserve

Watch the ammo counter

And behold

Glass Clownnon

I tried for a glass cannon pun but it didn't stick the landing

[astral blade]

The recon was basically nerfed into the ground and the shock trooper basically rendered useless instead of every crit it was second crit or some shit

[somber axle]

Yeah I'm a clown I don't pay attention to that stuff

[astral blade]

If memory serves me correctly

[junior needle]

Shocktrooper was "bugged" to not work with string crits for a long while

[somber axle]

The word balance only matters when I'm juggling on a unicycle

[snow cypress]

Which grenade would you use for sniper vet with headhunter?

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-toss-tossing-bowling-pin-juggling-juggling-gif-14727402

[junior needle]

to be more precise, recons were never good to begin with and it was unintended interactions that resulted in them ever having periods of being strong

[astral blade]

I thought shock trooper was nerfed?

[somber axle]

Recons were nerfed

Not Shock Trooper

[junior needle]

Shock trooper was untouched, recons however had their crit strings nerfed to 2 from 3/4/5 and then additionally had that bug for a long time

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper has remain unchanged

I am already very silly

Hand me pre-nerf Recons and watch me dominate

[junior needle]

So for months it was only half as useful as it was supposed to be

[somber axle]

Fatshark foresaw my coming and knew they had to cripple the clown

[junior needle]

The issue is primarily with crit strings and shock trooper, which led to the panic nerf of the 6d

Although really, if they didn't have headhunter it'd have been fine

But fatshork probably doesn't have the tech to outright remove blessings

[tall torrent]

Not as good as Rashad/power sword

[astral blade]

Soooo is the recon las gun even viable? Anymore?

[tall torrent]

Viable yea
Great no

[junior needle]

Depends on your definition of viable. They're sizably undertuned in both dps and ammo efficiency, sneaky runs an extremely glass cannon build that's more impressive in psyk dps tests

That "5 ammo crusher kill" is from leveraging essentially every dps boost you can get your hands on in addition to deadshot with 100% headshot rate

[astral blade]

😅 ok got it don’t use

[junior needle]

There's no practical reason to take them over other options currently, they need serious handholding from the tree

[astral blade]

Shame I do miss my recon las gun hay days

[tall torrent]

They’ve never been particularly strong

Even in patch 13 they weren’t as strong as smth like Vraks 3

[junior needle]

Even in patch 13 the 6d wasn't even considered the strongest lasgun by people on here

[tiny summit]

Not to mention they hit it's dmg/range modifiers against all armor types

[hearty panther]

i totally get them nerfing the crit string tbh

[astral blade]

🌝 which melee weapon is great for horde control

[hearty panther]

just dont know where reinverting the 6ds reverse damage fall off came from

[somber axle]

It's a viable weapon but technically every single weapon in the game is viable

[hearty panther]

all u need is voc

[hybrid token]

recon 2 is probably the worst gun in the game

[somber axle]

I've run Shredder Autopistol in Auric Damnation runs because I thought it was funny

[somber axle]

Nah I don't need that

[somber axle]

I'd say Shredder Autopistol is worse in a lot of ways but I mean that one is definitely competing for the spot

[astral blade]

Sah pass that shit you are smoking Sah

[hearty panther]

its 45%

[somber axle]

Nah not just Psyk fluff. I do this in Aurics too LOL

[hybrid token]

like does the 2 have ANY advantage over the 6d

it just....shoots half as fast

[hearty panther]

nope

[hybrid token]

and has no upside

[hearty panther]

less recoil???

[somber axle]

But yeah 5 ammo Crusher kill is the ideal with back to back crit strings. Usually luck plays out that I spend 6-9 ammo

[hybrid token]

6d basically has no recoil anyway

[somber axle]

It still kills fast with very little ammo spent

[astral blade]

Imma be real I’m a infiltrate guy at heart who very much hates the vet keystones

[somber axle]

I am running a very bizarre non-meta build tho

Keep in mind that the meta picks for Vet arsenal are chosen for a reason

Zarona Revolver, Plasma and Columnus Infantry Autogun all have very strong damage

[hearty panther]

they have big d energy, if you will

[somber axle]

When you run funny builds with weapons that are broken overpowered instead of underpowered you get crazy videos where a Zarona Revolver 5 shots a Beast of Nurgle and a Chaos Spawn

[hybrid token]

i play exe stance with kantrael shotgun

[junior needle]

Deadshot active for every shot is psy fluff 🤓

[somber axle]

Wdym I just use Duck and Dive, Focus Target + Target Down and swap between hip fire/aim down sights in matches with triple Stam curios and the +1 Stam node under confirmed kill in combo with +Stam regen perks on all curios to make my Stam regen insanely high

So like in practice it has more uptime than you think

[junior needle]

More uptime than you think =/= every shot

🤓

[somber axle]

The build isn't just shoot for 3 seconds, empty Stam bar and then spend the rest of the fight with 0 Stam LOL

[junior needle]

I'm aware

[somber axle]

I mean for Crusher kills it tends to be

[astral blade]

Here I thought I was weird I mean I run the vraks 7 along with mah infiltrate

[somber axle]

If I have even half my total Stam the Crusher is dead before I hit 0 stam

I am a clown and I do my dance the way only I truly know

You may assume I am 0 Stam but a clown requires the stamina to outpace their foes

Someone who doesn't practice with Stam management with the build is just gonna magdump both ammo and stam

I like the extra resource management because it's a fun thing to keep track of and adds a layer of complexity to gameplay I enjoy

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[junior needle]

Meanwhile

[somber axle]

Tl;Dr I am a masochist

[junior needle]

The superior clown weapon

[somber axle]

Sure but it shoots slower so it's not my style LOL

Plus you have to click to maintain that firing speed despite shooting slower

[junior needle]

I don't have to click anything, that's what mods and macros are for

[cerulean ridge]

yeah, "semi auto" weapons in 40k are a crime

[somber axle]

I like running Recon whenever I want to play Darktide but if I mained Laspistol Mk II it would lead to long term carpal tunnel issues from the amount of clicking

[astral blade]

That the full auto mod?

[tall torrent]

it's really not that fast of a firerate

[somber axle]

Accessibility mods are important but this clown needs no wheelchair accessible ramp to ride upstairs with a unicycle

[somber axle]

It's not but the effort to click and hold is very different compared to constantly clicking all match

[junior needle]

Yeah, I also have a macro for it depending on my needs

[somber axle]

An exaggeration on the carpal tunnel thing but not an exaggeration on the required effort irl LOL

[tall torrent]

I mean
if that's what u think

[somber axle]

Click and hold mouse vs click mouse 20 times

Which is easier?

Now do that all day for hours at a time gaming

Now imagine doing that for years of gaming

Which one is more at risk?

[tall torrent]

first off, full auto mod exists

secondly, it's a pretty slow firerate

[somber axle]

I don't do mods because I am a clown but I recognize the important of accessibility mods for either preventing carpal tunnel or dealing with it once you have it

[junior needle]

Autohotkey also exists

[somber axle]

I know but you missed my point LOL

[junior needle]

And is explicitly allowed by the fat shark

[tall torrent]

that's a u problem, not a weapon problem

[somber axle]

Yes I do wear a clown costume

That's an issme, not an issyou

I play modless because I need no mods to tell me when something spawns, track numbers of damage on target, display health bars during active matches or rearrange the UI

Darktide is one of the weird games that has a vanilla UI that I don't hate

FF14 I needed to spend half an hour rearranging things

WoW had add ons specific to different classes to change UI

Only mod I use off and on is Scoreboard for personal clown science testing purposes

[tall torrent]

I think u should get some QoL mods

even I got some

[somber axle]

Which ones did you get?

[junior needle]

Barter at hadron is very nice

[umbral scaffold]

i need a better crosshair mod

[junior needle]

weapon fov and the one that makes fov consistent are great

[somber axle]

The one I see people talk about most is For the Drip and I am not sold on a cosmetic mod that others can't see. What is the point of fashion with no one else will ever know what you look like outside of posting in Driptide and being forgotten the day after?

[junior needle]

Your own personal enjoyment and also if you play in third person

[tall torrent]

scoreboard, creature spawner, collectible finder, health bars, inspect from social, numeric UI, true level, show remaining dodges, stimms pickup icon, my favourites, full auto

[somber axle]

My personal enjoyment with fashion comes from knowing others see me too

If others couldn't see my Catachan, Elysian, Cadian or Krieg outfits I wouldn't have bought them

[tall torrent]

the stats I keep track of in scoreboard are pretty barebones

I don’t track overkill dmg

[somber axle]

Third person sounds neat but like I'm not interested in that since third person aiming sounds weird

For melee gaming third person sounds fun though

[bitter turtle]

I mean did you think xiv modding was pointless before mare

[somber axle]

True level sounds like a fun one to download once just to see what mine is

[somber axle]

Yes

Even after Mare I still play mostly modless unless I'm doing specific things with friends

[bitter turtle]

Well

[tall torrent]

I just wanted to find out what kind of teammates I'm getting lol

[bitter turtle]

I guess it's just a difference in enjoyment

[somber axle]

I did download a lot of funny dances

[bitter turtle]

I don't mod for other ppls sake

Just my own

[somber axle]

Mare let others see those dances

[bitter turtle]

For most games

[somber axle]

Yeah generally I agree

Except when it comes to fashion

Mare exists because people would create special outfits, skin textures, body mods, etc. and desperately wanted someone else to see them outside of screenshots

People want to be seen for their design choices whether they know it or not

[tall torrent]

the most useful ones so far to me are

show remaining dodges
creature spawner
stimms pickup icon

[bitter turtle]

Mare exists for erp

Jk

[somber axle]

I think the only mod I actually use for FF14 is the graphical filter one

[bitter turtle]

I never cared to download it and I use a lot of mods in xiv

[somber axle]

Changing lighting and tones and stuff to make the game world look nicer

[bitter turtle]

But yeah

[somber axle]

I play mostly vanilla especially for raiding in FF14

[bitter turtle]

I don't use cactpot or whatever tools ppl use now

[somber axle]

The damage/healing/CD use tracker mod for checking parses is run by the raid leader who posts them publicly in a discord we share if we want to check our performance

[bitter turtle]

Just tiddy mods

Jk

[somber axle]

But I usually don't look because I don't care about chasing what colour my parse is

I'm there for fashion

[bitter turtle]

Well it's inevitable to download those bodies for outfits anyway

[somber axle]

A certain item I want

Not for bragging points based off of what colour my parse is

[bitter turtle]

I care about my week 1 parse

[somber axle]

The true end game is afking in Limsa

[bitter turtle]

Since there's no gear discrepancy on week 1

But I don't care enough to do parse runs late in tier when everyone in bis

[somber axle]

I can see why the dodges one would be useful but I wouldn't use it because it feels almost like a cheat to me. I know it isn't, but it feels like it to me so I can't and I also can't describe why I think that either

[bitter turtle]

So week 1 my only reference

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

Well

[somber axle]

Yeah idk Numbers Cat my brain is broken LOL

[bitter turtle]

If dt was competitive

[somber axle]

I recognize this thought is dumb but it is still my thought

[bitter turtle]

I'd agree with u

It is cheating

Just idc since it's dt and I don't really treat it on that level

[somber axle]

My brain will not let me do it because it feels like putting bowling bumpers on or training wheels on a bike

Feels like rigging the game so you don't have to pay attention to failing in a certain aspect

[umbral scaffold]

gave all my guns the revo crosshair cos some of the others are impossible to see

[tall torrent]

I don’t consider knowing how many dodges I have even close to being “cheating”

[somber axle]

Idc if others use it and I don't judge others for it. I just can't use it because I would judge myself for it

[tall torrent]

Spidey sense sorta counts but idrc

[umbral scaffold]

im a chronic modmaxxer in most games i play

[somber axle]

I just passively test how many dodges I have with a weapon in Psykanium and feel out dodge reset naturally

Everything becomes muscle memory in games then

[somber axle]

Everyone draws a line somewhere and mine is dumb but specific only for what I allow for myself

[tall torrent]

Get creature spawner then

[somber axle]

Creature Spawner could be another one I use on and off like Scoreboard for testing

[tall torrent]

I mean, u could just turn it off in mod menu if you don’t want to use it

[somber axle]

I'd love to test toughness and toughness damage reduction vs enemy attacks, or test DPS against bosses like Plogryn, Burgle, Chaos Spawn, etc.

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner is just nice for practice

[somber axle]

The only boss I might want to practice more on is the Chaos Spawn tbh

[hollow ibex]

the only cheat mod is full auto

[somber axle]

I feel like I have 1v1 vs Burgle/Plogryn down pretty well

[tall torrent]

[hollow ibex]

because users don't get carpal tunnel, and non-users get carpal tunnel

[tall torrent]

I actually kinda hate that one

[hollow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-outrageous-unfair-gif-10552482

[hollow ibex]

why tho

[astral blade]

I wonder why is that tox bombers deal “spiritual damage”

[umbral scaffold]

i use it

[astral blade]

I always thought that what they threw was just a gas nade

[tall torrent]

Makes me shoot more than I want sometimes

[hollow ibex]

oh hmm

[somber axle]

I play modless because the only info both myself and others need to see in my recordings are the clown science

[tall torrent]

I only rly use it for 2 guns

Everything else it’s turned off

[hollow ibex]

there's more fine control tapping the mouse, but for me it's not really worth it

[umbral scaffold]

no way i could live without custom crosshair colour

[astral blade]

Can someone explain to me the tox bombers

And how are they able to deal damage to our characters even if we are wearing a gas mask

[somber axle]

I'm a hypocrit because I love both Laspistol Mk II and Kantrael Mk IV with Weapon Specialist for just going absolutely berserk clicking as fast as I can down a chokepoint spamming shots faster than the AI director can create specials/elites but I play those weapons sparingly or at least try to so I can avoid carpal tunnel LOL

Doing it too often would definitely be a problem

[somber axle]

Plus this

I want more control over my shots

[orchid hemlock]

ok so my krak adventures continue

[somber axle]

Our gas masks are fake. Look at them and notice almost every single one lacks filters

We're dealing with Nurgle so this gas is likely also corrosive and rots any exposed skin

We're not wearing anything even approaching a hazmat suit capable of walking through a cloud safely and tbh I think even a proper airtight seal suit would have a timer on how long it would last in a pox cloud

Nurgle stuff decays and rots what it touches

Play any of the Metro series games and you can see how gas masks need the filters to function (or at least I assume that is more accurately representative to gas mask realism since it is one of the main game inspirations for why I think what I do about gas masks LOL)

https://tenor.com/view/arcane-jinx-gas-mask-gif-23904711

[astral blade]

well that sucks

would be nice if the cosmetics gave some sort of bonus

[somber axle]

Once you see it you can't unsee it but don't worry this is intentional design. Remember that we are rejects and often times the gear we get handed to us is from former heroes who fought on Atoma. This stuff is old and in disrepair. The actual Guard Regiments they came from maintain them to function. A real Krieg mask and suit would probably protect you against Nurgle pox clouds pretty effectively vs Elysian gear because the Krieg stuff is rated for their Deathworld covered in ash and radiation

But then idk if a mask created specifically for one environment makes it medically safe for another

Just because a mask is safe from radiation doesn't mean that translates well for stopping super space covid cancer brewed by Nurgle

[uncut pebble]

It's more likely that we are wearing simple respirators, not using ones with powerful filters.

Though, voicelines don't reflect this, even if you're wearing one.

And yeah, demonic corruption doesn't much care what you're wearing.

The mere presence of a plague marine around a leman russ literally melts and corrodes the tank.

[somber axle]

Maybe but compare the Steel Legion cosmetics to the lore art

Notice that even the variant with the hose isn't even connected to the thing in the art?

[uncut pebble]

I wouldn't consider those to be the actual items our rejects are able to get.

Remember that this is cosmetic.

[somber axle]

I think this is lore accurate

We started as rejects proving ourselves

[uncut pebble]

I'm not saying the items aren't made to be lore accurate, but I'm saying the equipment our rejects are able to acquire aren't these.

Also, if you really want to think about it, why would Alice give us functional equipment?

[somber axle]

We're given hand me down weapons in various conditions from poorly maintained to things the game calls "The Emperor's Gift" which probably means a weapon Hadron is proud to look at

[uncut pebble]

Her whole thing seems to be fleecing people.

[somber axle]

This is also a very good point LMFAO

It is very in Hallowette's nature to sell trash at a premium

[uncut pebble]

I like Alice but we both know that she would not be giving out the good stuff to rejects.

[somber axle]

Because the hope of a reject having a gas mask would drown out any sense or logic in seeing one that is broken

[uncut pebble]

Clean items are probably the best we would get, in lore.

[somber axle]

Even a reject who sees a broken gas mask might hope they could fix it

Or find someone who could

For the right price

[uncut pebble]

So yeah, I believe the cosmetics we get have basic respirators, at most.

Nothing that could ever hope to stop pox gas.

[somber axle]

And the basic stuff isn't enough for Nurgle's nonsense

[uncut pebble]

You'd probably need a very powerful psyker (like librarian level) or very powerful purity seals not to be affected.

And, as far as I understand, our psykers are either ex-enforcers, so they have training, or they've self experimented to develop their powers without pulling the classic self-head-pop.

So they're nowhere near that level of power they'd need.

And, due to our characters being rejects, I doubt anyone has the trust or clearance to get purity seals capable of protecting them.

[somber axle]

Burgle trails are way more deadly in lore than game mechanics give them credit for at least as far as the wiki seems to imply for them

[uncut pebble]

Beasts of Nurgle have the mentality of puppies.

[somber axle]

Yes

Very deadly snail puppies that infect and destroy anything they exist near

[uncut pebble]

Quite depressing that I have to kill them with a hammer.

[somber axle]

Yeah there's the grimdark part of things LOL

[uncut pebble]

Nurgle, in general, is just the most saddening chaos god to fight.

[hearty panther]

Don't feel bad about it, they feel incredible pain so it's worth it

[uncut pebble]

Even his daemons seem innocent, in the grand scheme of things.

They don't know better about their actions.

[hearty panther]

ive never met this man before commisar

[uncut pebble]

Don't get me wrong, they are a blight and deserve to be purged.

But giving into rage only feeds Khorne.

[somber axle]

So like yes and no because he did beat the shit out of Slaanesh to "rescue" the Aeldari Maiden Goddess of Healing but only to lock her in a cage and feed her his diseases to see how quickly she can cure them before deciding whether or not to release it into the universe or drink the cauldron down to the last drop, vomit it back up and start over making a new diseased brew

She's literally being force fed his vomit for all eternity

[uncut pebble]

Kill them, but do not murder them. Very fine line to toe, there.

[somber axle]

That's better than whatever Slaanesh had planned but that's a very low bar

[uncut pebble]

Yes, Nurgle himself is disgusting and I feel nothing but malice towards him.

I was just saying it's saddening to fight his daemons.

Their mentalities range from puppies to 5 year old children.

[somber axle]

Daemons are really just slivers of the Chaos God they serve, right?

[uncut pebble]

I can't say yes or no on that.

[somber axle]

In a way they're all just pieces of Nurgle with "independent" sentient minds

[drowsy aspen]

Some, but most are very cognizant

[uncut pebble]

I would think they are a manifestation of the things their god represents.

[drowsy aspen]

They are rot, decay, and depression

Their semi-cheerful adherence to such is as much knowing as it is inherent and inescapable

[somber axle]

Someone gave a BIG spoiler a while back in Vet chat

[drowsy aspen]

Whether they mean harm is... difficult to say

They are harm manifest

[somber axle]

And I mean a big, big spoiler for something recent

[drowsy aspen]

...legit?

[somber axle]

So do not click this if you do not want to be spoiled

But let me share what I learned from them

[drowsy aspen]

...how did they get their info?

[somber axle]

|| There are only 3 Chaos Gods now. Khorne blinked in their 5 way staring contest. That single instant allowed the Emperor to purge Nurgle's gardens in fire. Nurgle is likely no more and the Aeldari Goddess of Healing has a questionable fate. Also there is a New Cadia where Cadians are settling. Cadia is BACK. ||

[uncut pebble]

I don't think most Nurglites mean harm. They are just incapable of processing that your body can't handle the plagues they spread.

[somber axle]

They said from a recent book

But I don't read the books so I can't verify this info

Only share what was shared to me

And be warned this is a pretty big spoiler

[drowsy aspen]

I don't believe that, that'd be insane

[uncut pebble]

How do I spoiler something again?

[drowsy aspen]

|| <- these I think

[uncut pebble]

Yes that's right.

[somber axle]

This makes me want to buy the first 40k book I have ever and probably the last 40k book I will ever buy just to read about this LOL

I want to see it myself

[drowsy aspen]

||Why in the WORLD would GW purge one of their most cool, classic chaos gods and make an entire model line irrelevant???||

||Ig they did the same with the Old World, kinda???||

[uncut pebble]

||Considering the Emperor's power before the Heresy, paired with 10 thousand years of betrayal and him being fed psykers on a daily basis to draw his shattered soul back together, this is not surprising to me at all. Nurgle is probably the hardest chaos god to get rid of from a planet, so it would make sense he would destroy him first, if any.||

[somber axle]

I have no idea and again take this info with a grain of salt because the source is some guy who shared it here and said he read it from the newest book

[drowsy aspen]

I think that is too innocent a read on their mentality. They probably don't mean to harm you, but they corrupt you and rot your body all the same. They're fixing you. And fixing you is inflicting eternal rot and torment upon your soul

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[drowsy aspen]

||I'll take that with a BOULDER. Too noblebright. Too unprofitable.||

[somber axle]

Could you imagine if that dude just showed up to lie and see who is gullible enough to believe him?? LMFAO

[uncut pebble]

||Especially considering that goddess from the garden is (assuming I am remembering correctly) capable of granting wishes, she could expedite the process of fixing the Emperor's fractured soul.||

[last parcel]

they played us like a damn fiddle

[somber axle]

Anyway be back later I need to work

I have been here almost 2 hours and chatting here is going to get me in trouble LOL

[orchid hemlock]

The warp itself is a causation contradiction if we take it from face value of the interpretations of the books

[junior needle]

The 40k wiki is not terribly reliable, you'll want to use lexicanum

[drowsy aspen]

For sure, but I'm pretty sure that's lore

[north raptor]

thats right run from your burning at the stake

[drowsy aspen]

Even represented in darktide - look how they shake with excitement when they see the players, unlike every other enemy

They're celebrating new playmates

[uncut pebble]

||That all being said, the total destruction of Nurgle is not feasible. GW would lose an insane amount of profit by cutting off Nurgle models and the fanbase that actually likes them. On top of that, I don't think you can actually kill a chaos god. They're probably more like perpetuals after a certain point, and considering how Nurgle works... A rebirth could cause more destruction than he was able to wreak before.||

[north raptor]

sneakycat is trolling

[drowsy aspen]

The bastard!

[uncut pebble]

It's still an interesting thought process.

[north raptor]

such a sneeky

[somber axle]

Gulliman or however his name is spelled is back. A second Primarch is either returning or already back from what I heard. The Empire is waking up from a slumber of ignorance and decay self-imposed through faith that the Emperor has been rolling in his chair for all this time

[uncut pebble]

I'm just hoping that eventually we won't be fighting only Nurgle.

[somber axle]

Things must have hope before that hope can be destroyed

[uncut pebble]

I want to duel a Bloodletter.

[drowsy aspen]

...they're raging against the dying of the light, sure. I like to imagine the universe will one day be better than it is now.

[north raptor]

dont actually rage btw

morphine drips are good for you

[drowsy aspen]

But the Imperium is 100% at a net negative, even with Guilliman and the Lion returning

[somber axle]

It will get better before it gets worse. This is grimdark. You need to believe there's a chance for victory before you can feel the despair of loss

[uncut pebble]

Ehh, last I checked GW was planning on bringing all the Primarchs back in some fashion.

I want my boy Vulcan to return.

Sanguinius would also be acceptable.

[orchid hemlock]

The problem with understanding anything related to the WARP is that the time scale that occurs doesn't really make sense

[uncut pebble]

Though, half of Sanguinius's soul is currently trapped in Dante's mask, so we have no idea how that would work.

Dante be like, "Father, please let me die."

"Nuh uh."

[drowsy aspen]

It's what?

Friend, I must ask you for a source on that one

[uncut pebble]

It's hearsay until I finish reading all the books.

[drowsy aspen]

...then why are you saying it as fact lmaooooo

[uncut pebble]

Afaik, Dante can't die because Sanguinius won't let him.

But, again, I have yet to read which book that's from, because I am poor and cannot buy all of them.

[drowsy aspen]

My interpretation of that scene was that Sanguinius' soul contacted Dante, maybe protected him a little

But it was the Indomitus Crusade that actually saved Dante

[somber axle]

Not this time. Either I have been trolled or I am telling accurate info. The clown costume is as real as my genuine belief that the info some guy shared is also accurate

[drowsy aspen]

Arrived in time to kill the myriad horrors swarming his unconscious body

[uncut pebble]

Well, that alone says that Sanguinius isn't truly gone.

[drowsy aspen]

Dante awoke from his vision in a medical bed, not bathed in holy light

...well. probably?

The vision may have just been a dream

But then, when do a dream and a spirit from the warp differ

Unclear

[uncut pebble]

Well, the circumstances surrounding his death and infecting his legion with the Black Rage are very similar to the shattering of the Emperor's soul.

I would've thought that his soul was also shattered.

However, considering what you just said, it's possible that, if his soul was shattered, it is repaired enough to influence the material world. Or, his soul was never shattered and he just hasn't come back yet.

Anywho, this is just playing with ideas.

[drowsy aspen]

...he probably won't come back ever, in truth

[uncut pebble]

We won't know until GW decides to make something canon.

[drowsy aspen]

Sanguinius' natural state may indeed be a shattered one

He was always dual-aspect, the red (gold?) Angel and the Black Angel

[uncut pebble]

Perhaps.

I would still like to see him become flesh and blood again.

Or, at the very least, pull a Corvus and return as a daemon.

[drowsy aspen]

The guy who actually has his soul is probably Mephiston- who certainly houses the Black Angel, and much of his genefather's ludicrous psychic steaze

[uncut pebble]

I think he would be terrifying as a daemon.

[uncut pebble]

Interesting...

[somber axle]

Hey weird question

What was the newest book released for 40k

I want to read it

Idk how to even Google it because Google just showed a lot of very confusing info LOL

[vocal cipher]

nah don't bring him back as a daemon... bring him back as TWO daemons

[umbral scaffold]

so what makes columnus the best thing since fairybread

[uncut pebble]

Form-shifting daemons do exist, so this is possible. Two sides of one coin.

[somber axle]

Crazy high fire rate, damage, finesse values and armour damage modifiers

[umbral scaffold]

so it just does everything?

[north raptor]

it also stacks blessings quickly.

[drowsy aspen]

...I like other weapons more

but if you just want to shoot a gun

it's one of the gunniest guns

[umbral scaffold]

real shit

what rolls do i want on it

[last parcel]

dumdum + flak then pick your poison

[umbral scaffold]

thats a nice change, everything being viable for blessings

[somber axle]

Pretty much yeah

It can even kill Crushers effectively

You don't even need a super juice clown set up

[umbral scaffold]

meow

[last parcel]

meow

[somber axle]

meow

[last parcel]

vomits on carpet

[umbral scaffold]

nuh uh

[somber axle]

I also like other guns more but CIAG is up there with Plasma and Zarona Revolver as the meta kings right now

[last parcel]

drops dead rat in your cereal

[umbral scaffold]

my friend hates plasma cos its stupidly op and deletes everything

[tall torrent]

It has bad ADM falloff over range and relatively high recoil for >20m engagements

[umbral scaffold]

alright

[north raptor]

based

[tall torrent]

1v1 chaos spawn is rly not fun lol

[north raptor]

theyre all a bummer. i guess plogryn is ok

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn is easiest by far

[last parcel]

i love 1v1 bonbon it's so fun and engaging

[uncut pebble]

I can duel a fleshbag or plogryn with my eyes closed. Don't ask me to fight a beast of Nurgle though.

I always get grabbed and swallowed.

Not fun.

[tall torrent]

Avoid its puke

Chaos spawn tho idk, I hate it

[last parcel]

lmao get vored nerd

[uncut pebble]

I mean, yeah, I avoid the puke.

But the grab attack is very hard to dodge.

[tall torrent]

Chaos spawn has like the most bs grab ever

[uncut pebble]

Stare at its left shoulder. When it swings its arm wide its going to grab.

That's how you avoid getting chewed on.

[tall torrent]

Ik that

It’s still the most bs grab ever

[last parcel]

ngl sometimes I try to parry the grab and think about how stupid I am while getting sucked by the spawn

[tall torrent]

knife is so much easier than rashad for 1v1 chaos spawn

[uncut pebble]

Lmao get chewed on idiot.

[umbral scaffold]

should have used umbrella

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/diet-coke-mentos-soda-knees-gif-23715477

[midnight totem]

What is the heresy

[umbral scaffold]

why cant u post cat gifs like a normal person

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10311420692458175149

[uncut pebble]

Funny.

Giggled like an idiot.

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-space-marines-astartes-warhammer-gif-18849638

[somber axle]

Tbh I am that way with CIAG. I don't mind Plasma too much even if I also think it is too strong mostly because of remembering beta/early launch days when venting heat did chip HP damage and you could explode from uncharged shots. I miss when Vets would accidentally see their weapons were exploding and run into a horde poxburster style

[umbral scaffold]

idk that acronym soz

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-gif-19542877

shredder auto pistol vs one sniper

[astral blade]

why is this so funny

[unique sorrel]

negligent discharges are no laughing matter.

[last parcel]

you're just jealous

[tiny summit]

Been so long since I saw the original. So used to the UwU or 😭 version

[last parcel]

what about the feet version

[tacit sonnet]

Perfect blessings for plasma gun?

[tiny summit]

Gets Hot and take your pick.

Gets Hot is the only real important one. Others are luxuries. Blaze Away is decent but it's also continuous fire, most things are dying w/o the stacks or the follow up shot is overkill. Glory Hunter is toughness, so depends on how much you value it

[tacit sonnet]

Shattering impact?

[tiny summit]

Shattering again like Blaze Away, do you really need brittleness stacks? Most things are dying w/o the stacks. Guess it's relevant if you want to factor in your teammates pitching in dmg

[late hatch]

Shattering does help a bit vs big things. I prefer the toughness back, it really lets you just fire away and ignore a few chaff shanks

[tacit sonnet]

Wouldn't it help me against crushers, maulers and monstrosities?

[tiny summit]

Volatile? Charging plasma is a meme atm that mostly serves to just spend more ammo and possibly explode when uncharged does 99% of the jpb

[tiny summit]

It can. In comparison to all its blessings it's a circumstantial use. The stacks aren't exactly too impactful to make it win against it's other blessings.

So yea. That's why it's usually Gets Hot and take your pick besides Volatile

[late hatch]

Gets hot and glory hunter. Take the give % of toughness to team mates. Become the ultimate toughness battery

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + gloryhunter/blaze away
The other 2 (volatile, shattering impact) are not rly relevant

[somber axle]

Gets Hot and Volatile with 80% Charge Rate

It really is a meme though

You can 1HKO a Crusher with Plasma Charged Shot or you can do Uncharged Plasma 3HKO it for roughly the same TTK and ammo consumed

If you run Exe Stance Plasma you can do Uncharged 2HKO on Crushers reliably too

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1249543386755633172/Rashad_1v1_spawn.mov?ex=6667af76&is=66665df6&hm=907d24877ce72543791b83f0d170818c6d33f6d58ff34feeb1f96090a919435f&

Suffering

[somber axle]

Can you dodge grab even if you're in the grab range? Like Dark Souls iframe thing?

Or is it still a grab if you dodge into it?

[tall torrent]

Dodge to right seems to be most reliable in my experience

With that said

It’s hard to predict when it’ll do the grab

[uncut pebble]

Dodge into slide and you should dodge it every time.

[somber axle]

Ok so

https://youtu.be/n5o8Cf-5ylU?si=4Aft8b2L6fZgB9jn

This vid seems to imply it will ONLY grab if you're not hugging it

If you're far away like when the Ogryn backs off during the 3 hit combo it uses grab

Nevermind I am dumb LOL

[uncut pebble]

I believe they made hitboxes not trash like they are in vermintide for the darktide fleshbag.

[somber axle]

Ogryn was hugging it and the second grab happened while he was grinding on the Chaos Spawn from behind

[uncut pebble]

So slide dodges should make you dodge every time as long as you see it.

[somber axle]

Dodging left seems to be the strat though

[serene bough]

i dodge right

[somber axle]

Ogryn continuously hugs the flank and is never at risk for a grab

[astral blade]

the heck is this outfit?

[vernal sundial]

man fuck grabs, you mean i have to actually think instead of spamming parry? get outta here

[tall torrent]

I'm prob just bad lol

[tall torrent]

cadian armor

[somber axle]

I thought you did pretty good considering you were never grabbed

That Ogryn was wild though

He could probably do that in a small room without issue

[last parcel]

CAAADIAA CAAAAAAADIAAAAAAAAAA CAAAAAAAAAADIIAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall torrent]

I'm trying it now

it's kind of doable?

but

idk I don't think it's particularly great for non-ogryn

I literally lose smth like 70% of my dmg from non-weakspot hits

ogryn bleed can do ok dmg and ogryn doesn't rely on weakspot as much

[somber axle]

It sounds like something that needs practice to click

I don't think I could do the Ogryn hug method right now either without more practice

Usually I need more space to melee duel one

[rigid pilot]

You dodge back and run back in to hug between attacks

Keep the boss in place for easy headshots

[somber axle]

Chest pieces and leggings are part of the same Cadian set. The helmet is Scions and is separate from a set

He's also using the Cadian Vox Backpack

[tall torrent]

2nd try I can sorta do it

the issue is

[somber axle]

The backpack is at least on the store

[tall torrent]

doing this drops weakspot hit rate pretty massively

[somber axle]

Yeah it seems pretty hard to hit the face reliably when doing this dodge pattern

Hugging left puts the face out of view more

Ending up behind it is just much less damage

But it seems surprisingly safe from grabs

[rigid pilot]

Dodge right for grabs

[somber axle]

Dodging right to go under the arm during a grab makes it easier for striking the head as a follow up but is more risky

[rigid pilot]

Cspawn it's a bit funkier to get him into a loop

He wants to break out

[tall torrent]

ok uh

for veteran

the trick is to dodge right

[somber axle]

Practicing vs Chaos Spawn for Monstrosity Spawner events is probably going to be the thing that makes me download that monster spawner mod

[somber axle]

Weird question

Are you going to practice for crazy ai director shenanigans

Double Chaos Spawn

1v2 Chaos Spawns

[late hatch]

Mini spawns or full bosses?

[somber axle]

https://youtu.be/-Q6Tpu8C8Vg?si=4sT-TJ6dxaFnRnLl

Both at once

The first like 2 minutes of this are such a funny highlight

Spoiler though

[late hatch]

Ive fought 2 mini and a big boss at once

6 is crazy

[tall torrent]

not gonna bother with those

because in those situations I'd be using grenades

I'm practicing melee only

[somber axle]

That's fair

[serene bough]

man

i really dont want to do other classes penances

[somber axle]

Not getting grabbed when multiple monstrosities are on the field is a very hard thing LOL

So much to keep track of

[tacit sonnet]

is plasma gun a laser weapon?

[serene bough]

how2easily farm the zealot backstab penance

no

[somber axle]

No

If you're looking at Shock Trooper that only applies to Laspistols, Recon Lasrifles, Kantrael Lasrifles and Helbore Lasrifles

No other guns get free shots on crit with Shock Trooper

[tacit sonnet]

Thanks

[somber axle]

To clarify by attaching images to the names

[tall torrent]

I think I got it

[somber axle]

These and their variants

[somber axle]

NICE

[tall torrent]

lemme upload

40s

no health dmg taken

no grenades

[tall torrent]

also
if I'm going into monster specialist
I'm most prob gonna have krak, unless it's monster specialist scab no ammo

krak simplifies boss fights a lot

it's much more reliable at staggering bosses compared to frag

@somber axle basically

dodge to right

almost always

for chaos spawn

don't dodge backwards vs chaos spawn ever

[somber axle]

Yeah when I made my Monster Killer build it revolved around alternating Chainaxe XII rev'd heavies into weak spots and using Krak to chain stagger stunlock Monstrosities to safely finish them off

Even Daemonhosts are helpless if you can time the Kraks right to keep them stuck

[tall torrent]

Weakened monsters actually are very easy to kill

Except BoN, that one is just boring to fight

Hate it

[somber axle]

Wanna see the most bullshit Burgle vomit ever?

https://youtu.be/Mz12Ki5rD-s?si=rDc_SigHOdJEIWsG

[umbral scaffold]

why do pox bursters always target me?

[somber axle]

Look at 0:20 at this vid

[somber axle]

Poxbursters always move to the closest visible target within range

[umbral scaffold]

So I'm a badass and always the first one in

[last parcel]

you smell nice

[umbral scaffold]

makes sense

[somber axle]

Luck of the draw by being too close to the spawn door it came from

[umbral scaffold]

well that is my luck ig

all the bad shit always comes to me

[inland orchid]

the director pays attention to party cohesion pretty closely

[somber axle]

That's true

If you wander from the squad often the ai director will spawn more of everything to punish you

[inland orchid]

seen a good few examples when trying out loner zel that they'll purposely pass u specialists that'll immobilize you

all because they know no one's close enough to save u in time

the director is ruthless

[tall torrent]

@somber axle

[umbral scaffold]

Damn

I've been fucking my squads

trying to get plasteel

i spent all my plasteel trying to make a veteran that's fun and also decent

[tall torrent]

As long as u can survive on ur own without coherency ur fine

[umbral scaffold]

well yeah it's usually with my zealot

with the 2 coherency thing

[somber axle]

If you only split away briefly it isn't going to do much

If you're gone long enough that the squad has a funny voice line about "where did he go" and your character goes "where is my squad" then the ai director is warning you to go back or face consequences

[tall torrent]

This one is 40s

[somber axle]

Nice! I should practice against it with Knife more

[tall torrent]

knife is a lot easier

because u dodge much further

[somber axle]

Yeah but I could still benefit from the practice

[tall torrent]

plague ogryn is simple

chaos spawn needs some practice

however

[somber axle]

Chaos Spawn is the only one that trips me up sometimes if I end up out of position

[tall torrent]

I think the hardest by far

is 1v6 scab rager

Melee only

[somber axle]

Nah I did the Tac Axe Catachan 1v6 during a horde just fine

It was earlier today in High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet Hab Dreyko

Btw

Are the Grims bugged for that map?

I ran it twice and never saw the books

I'm pretty thorough scanning the map for plasteel so I was kinda surprised I never saw the grims either attempt

[tall torrent]

1v6 as in

No teammates

No coherency

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

Idk

It’s prob easiest to mess up

Crusher & mauler are way easier

[somber axle]

Depending on loadout I agree

Ragers are trickier to deal with when other things are running around

Maulers and Crushers can be comfortably kited

Ragers will be in your face whether you are ready or not

[tall torrent]

No need to kite mauler much

[somber axle]

I like kiting because if I stand my ground I end up tunnel visioning too hard and then something comes up behind me and bonks me to my knees

If I kite then the horde and whatever else shows up is always funneled into one direction

Control the direction and flow

Ciaphas Cain strats

Keep fleeing until you accidentally stumble into exactly the right place and time for victory

Anyway like

Tac Axe special attack stagger is very strong LOL

Very good for controlling a fight

Falling more in love with Tac Axe every day

If only it didn't require so much silly juice from the talent tree to use I would pair it with my Recon

But they'd compete for talent points too much

[late hatch]

Which mk are you using?

[somber axle]

Mk IV I think?

I've shared it here lemme find the pic

Here she is

[late hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162275718563110933/1236560398052757524/image.png?ex=6667415d&is=6665efdd&hm=c32dc81c2a3cc1f10267a50bd05f01ca421a2c8394803af57dc3fb209d837e8d&

[somber axle]

Nice

Idk how the other Tac Axes are yet

I've mostly only experimented with the IV

[late hatch]

Your mobi is a little low, but nice. The 4 I think has the upward strike push atk?

[somber axle]

I love the heavies

[somber axle]

I lose out on a dodge but I am ok with it

[late hatch]

The 2 I think is the one with the push like the rashad

[orchid hemlock]

made another dumb ass build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[somber axle]

The tradeoff for an almost perfect roll Tac Axe IV is worth it

The only things aside from mobility that I'd change are both perks to 25%

[late hatch]

Yeah I love the taxe's too

[somber axle]

Tac Axe IV has a beautiful base model imo

I just use the chemzone camo skin to match my Catachan set better

I should swap it to the Moebian Recon cosmetics and use the base model axe

Grab my Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun

And then go for funny Moebian Recon looks

[late hatch]

I have another one with the power on stam depletion. You should try that with one you like the push atks

It is easy power

[somber axle]

Ready for Recon

Unfortunately without a Recon

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[unique orchid]

almost my outfit i went with different pants

[somber axle]

But I run triple Stam curios often because I am a clown so I couldn't

[late hatch]

Lets face it, what they call recon are shock trooper weapons, and the kants are the real recons

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-4288805930467437821

I wanted to look like them

I hope one day they add the Carbine they showed off in both the trailers

The teaser trailer and the gameplay trailer both showed off the scopeless variant of the Infantry Lasguns

Looks like the gun is shorter too

The bots use it

So the file is in game

[orchid hemlock]

whats the cooldown on this?

[somber axle]

The stat roll is very nice

[tall torrent]

https://youtu.be/3hclJz-uAfo?si=CEGyyXlyoE7ZQ9uU

I did it

[somber axle]

No cool down to my knowledge but it also has very niche use

[tall torrent]

1v2 spawn

[somber axle]

NICE

[tall torrent]

no internal cooldown, but it's really not good

[somber axle]

But yeah like if you use a high pierce weapon like Plasma with Glory Hunter and Born Leader in combo with something like Out for Blood and/or Co firmed Kill with Focus Target + Target Down you can give your team crazy amounts of toughness regen

[orchid hemlock]

what about in a "replenishment" focused build

[astral blade]

waiting for the crafting system rework be like

[tall torrent]

play plasma with gloryhunter, take born leader

[somber axle]

If you're doing all that though? Covering Fire is probably not adding much extra toughness

[tall torrent]

and bring rashad

[astral blade]

https://tenor.com/view/caveira-skeleton-ive-been-waiting-gif-13523984

[somber axle]

They'll likely be at toughness cap if you run medic build

[tall torrent]

that's about as much combat medic as u can get

[orchid hemlock]

this is what I have atm: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62

the problem is I need to waste 2 nodes just to get Covering fire

[somber axle]

Skip Covering Fire imo

[orchid hemlock]

but I feel like the nodes would be better on inspiring presence and stam

[tall torrent]

do NOT take inspiring presence

[somber axle]

It's not a very valuable option even though it sounds good in theory

[tall torrent]

inspiring presence is HORRIBLE

[orchid hemlock]

I understand that it is useless in most situations, but this is a a toughness regen focused build

I dont know what to use the other 2 nodes then

[tall torrent]

yes, don't take it still

[orchid hemlock]

oh wait it says "replenishment"

I have a bad feeling about this fatshark

[bitter turtle]

would you take a node that says +0.0001% toughness gain even in a toughness focused build

in other words

even if it serves your objective

if the value is so miniscule

[tall torrent]

inspiring presence boosts ur coherency toughness regen by 10%

[bitter turtle]

its still not worth taking

in this case

10% more regen

is worthless

its just regen only

[orchid hemlock]

ok then nvm, I thought it meant all replenishment

[tall torrent]

no

[orchid hemlock]

sorry that fatshark gives me empty information 😔

[bitter turtle]

no that might actually be usable and we can't have that

[somber axle]

Imagine full toughness regen + inspiring presence LMFAO

Instant toughness restore after a fight

[orchid hemlock]

so im not sure what to use on the last 2 nodes then

[somber axle]

Unnecessary since you can regen so fast killing things with Out for Blood or killing a special/elite with Confirmed Kill but still funny in theory

[orchid hemlock]

stamina regen IG is good

[bitter turtle]

could grab

out for blood

more toughness

[somber axle]

Yeah

Out for Blood near the top

Right side

Very good for general toughness gain

It sounds small but it adds up to be BIG

[orchid hemlock]

kk

ig i dont need 8 stacks of focused fire either

[umbral scaffold]

honestly no idea where i wanna take my skill tree aside from ik i want krak nades

[bitter turtle]

8 stacks is pretty bad

i would not take it

[orchid hemlock]

they fixed it this patch btw, now it stacks cumulatively

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[somber axle]

Field Improvisation if you want to go all in on support

Field Improv is VERY strong

[drifting oak]

pew pew pew pew pew pew

[somber axle]

The grenade restore is amazing

[tall torrent]

the question is more like
why do u want krak grenades

[somber axle]

The corruption cleanse is ok

[umbral scaffold]

bulwark and crusher

why else

[bitter turtle]

krak grenades are niche

[umbral scaffold]

what would u recommend instead?

[orchid hemlock]

krak is only good if doing penance

[bitter turtle]

because 70% of the weapons in this game alr kill crushers fast

[tall torrent]

I think u should bring a melee weapon that kills them

[orchid hemlock]

💀

[bitter turtle]

shredder frags

[umbral scaffold]

oki doki

[tall torrent]

outside of monster specialist maelstrom I wouldn't bother with krak as much

[umbral scaffold]

im kinda on like a level 8 vet rn so literally nothing can kill them outside of kraks xd

[bitter turtle]

well

[tall torrent]

oh then

[gilded wraith]

Shredder and (gasp) smoke see more consistent use for me.

[drifting oak]

kraks are fun and if you know how to body block elites to make them stack up

[bitter turtle]

if your loadout cant kill them

[somber axle]

If your build has mediocre or bad Carapace kill potential Kraks are an ok way to offset that but ideally you want either your ranged weapon or your melee weapon capable of cleaning up Crushers in a pinch, and bonus points if both can reliably

[bitter turtle]

then run them sure

[last parcel]

well in that case

[drifting oak]

it's way faster than slowly whittling them down with a non-powersword melee

(or you could take power sword)

[bitter turtle]

its not just psword

that can kill them fast

[last parcel]

where's the knife gif

[bitter turtle]

knife kills them in 2 or 3 hits

shovel 1 shots them

[somber axle]

Should I get the knife things

[drifting oak]

bro, you can quad-kill crushers with kraks if you know how to aggressively stack them up

[bitter turtle]

there's more weapons that can delete crushers than ones that can't

[drifting oak]

way faster than any melee

[bitter turtle]

this is almost entirely out of your control

[umbral scaffold]

would u recommend the talent that makes ur nades stronker

[tall torrent]

melee, usually

[bitter turtle]

not usually no

[tall torrent]

relying on ranged to kill crusher is not the best idea

[umbral scaffold]

does the powa sword deal with crushers well

[drifting oak]

not really, you literally push your face into them to force them to start their melee animations preemptively rather htan dragging them around

power sword trivializes them

[umbral scaffold]

cool

is one better than the other or is it preference

[drifting oak]

knife and switch-shovel are very good at killing them too

[somber axle]

Crusher killed with a Recon for me usually but like I build literally every single ranged weapon to do it no matter how bad (except Recon Mk VIIa and Recon Mk II because both are extra bad at it)

[orchid hemlock]

does focus fire stack the toughness regen cumulatively btw?

[drifting oak]

they have different attack patterns

[orchid hemlock]

just like it does with redirect fire?

[bitter turtle]

beinga djacent is not good enough for multikill kraks

[tall torrent]

wdym cumulatively

[bitter turtle]

they need to b squeezed together by terrain

which is situational by definition

[drifting oak]

when they initially aggro they tend to all run in a straight line

especially when they're aggroed on another party member

[orchid hemlock]

if I kill something with 4 stacks, and then kill another with 4 stacks in the 10 second window, I get the 8 stack damage buff

[bitter turtle]

enemies

[drifting oak]

if you bump them at that time

[bitter turtle]

do not clip into each other

[drifting oak]

you can get them stacked up

[bitter turtle]

unless they are pushed to do so by terrain

that is just a fact

[drifting oak]

close enough where you can double, triple, even quad kill them

[tough tiger]

is there a reason to go toughness support build for vet?

[tall torrent]

why're u taking 8 stack in the first place

[bitter turtle]

and if im in a shtf situation

[drifting oak]

they only respect that when they're slotted

[bitter turtle]

im not gonna want to pray

[orchid hemlock]

that's what Im asking

[bitter turtle]

that the terrain is going to work in my favor

[tall torrent]

cuz it's strong?

[bitter turtle]

ill just throw a shredder and kd all of them

[drifting oak]

and while they're chasing your dumbfuck party member who shot them from range while you had twenty other things going on

they aren't slotted until you bump them physically and their AI goes "wait a minute i can hit this guy"

[tough tiger]

is it stronger than nade spam?

[drifting oak]

and then they explode in a kraksplosion

no terrain needed

[tall torrent]

who said that u can't take both at the same time

[bitter turtle]

if its not needed then record it in psyk and show terrainless quadkill

[tough tiger]

🤯

[bitter turtle]

without vocing them into each other too

[drifting oak]

it's a very specific trick for dealing with "my idiot pubbie KEEEEEPS fucking pulling"

you can't do it in psych specifically

because they HAVE to be aggroed onto someone else

[bitter turtle]

i wonder why

because they are not

[drifting oak]

if they aggro on you they slot

[bitter turtle]

perhaps

[drifting oak]

and if they slot, they do the flanking behavior

which spreads them

[bitter turtle]

being pushed into each other b y terrain in psyk 🤔

[drifting oak]

because they are moving into your slots in a circle around you

when they are chasing an ally

they are taking the most direct path

[astral blade]

well in terms of builds this is what i'm using

[drifting oak]

and will remain in a hyperconcentration blob until they get close enough that their slots on your ally spread them

[somber axle]

I would but it is context specific. Always useful on smokes imo. Not so worth on Shredders even with the increased radius, damage and bleed. 1 Tinkerer Shredder Frag deletes poxwalkers but they have to bleed out. Most people just drop 2 Shredder Frags into a mixed horde since that will delete both poxwalkers and ragers mixed in with them. Kraks with Tinkerer let you get Bulwark kill without Bring It Down or Superiority Complex

[bitter turtle]

well whatever you want to attribute it to, my point is that it is way more situational than shredder frag them and poke them to death in 5 seconds

[bitter turtle]

while also killing like

everything else

in a 20m vcininity

from bleed

[drifting oak]

yeah, but you could literally instakill them with a krak, which is important when your party is also not fucking killing any specials

[bitter turtle]

if ur party

is not killing specials

i'd rather chuck 2 frags and delete all specials then

and also kd crushers

[drifting oak]

the specials are snipers, bombers, and a gorillion distal gunners

[bitter turtle]

frags are very wide

aoe

[drifting oak]

and then your party members with no fire discipline decide to shoot some fucking crushers

[bitter turtle]

im ngl

[drifting oak]

while you're sucking so much ranged pressure

the krak instadelete trick is a great way to save bad pugs

[bitter turtle]

crushers are not really that scary most of the time anyway

[astral blade]

love me sprint efficency

[tall torrent]

I think the answer ur looking for is smoke grenade here

unironically

[bitter turtle]

so ppl aggroing crushers is not really a bother for me

[drifting oak]

no, because then you can't see either :V

hate smokes

[bitter turtle]

yes you can

if you stand inside the smokes

which you should

[orchid hemlock]

look closely at the buff bar:

[bitter turtle]

you can see out of it

dont be one of those idiots that throw them at enemies

it does

nothing

[drifting oak]

yeah when you stand in the smoke gunners keep shooting through it anyway

super useful

[bitter turtle]

if u chuck at at the gunners

[bitter turtle]

no they do not

[drifting oak]

when you have limited space

[bitter turtle]

sec

[drifting oak]

(this is sarcasm)

[bitter turtle]

i have video

[umbral scaffold]

o yeah what does vet ideally want on curios

[drifting oak]

if you trust your team to pick you up if you potato badly into a special now and again: 1 wound curio
otherwise all toughness baby, make the most out of iron will

[drifting oak]

if it's more psykanium stuff it's worthless

gunners hooting at your dumbfuck teammates not in the smoke shoot a physical line of bullets that travels anyway and will hassle you greatly when there's enough of them

like the jail section of jail assassination, that door into the L corridor

[bitter turtle]

the AI literally stops shooting

if they're targetting someone in smokes

[drifting oak]

smokes do LITERALLY nothing there and you smoke the floor and you fucking get ripped apart and wonder what happened

Yes

[midnight totem]

1 gunner resist, 1 sniper resist, 1 stamina regeneration, 1 sprint stamina efficiency (if not running the stamina efficiency node), minimal

[bitter turtle]

thert eis no "they keep shooting in the same spot" bs

[drifting oak]

but they're not targetting you in the smoke

[bitter turtle]

that is literall made up shit

[drifting oak]

they shoot at your teammates who have run forward into them and they hit you anyway

[midnight totem]

personally I take 1 toughness regen, and the rest is toughness or health

[drifting oak]

Stop using psykanium for all your testing

[midnight totem]

oh and one corruption resist, for universal stuff

[bitter turtle]

i use them fine in auric mael

sounds like a skill issue

if you are standing

like

how is this even possible btw

smoke in between u and gunner

[drifting oak]

it's not about you surviving it's about making true level 30 scruff mcgruff get through the round without bitching for 30 minutes in your ear about how the game is broken

[bitter turtle]

also stops them from shotoing btw

so as long as ur literally

not standing

[drifting oak]

like yes you can clear with anything

[bitter turtle]

outside the smoke

you will be fine

[orchid hemlock]

8 stacks of focus target means you get 4.5% more damage across the entire team throughout the entire run, making it 12%

[bitter turtle]

like actually draw me a diagram of how this is physically even possible

cus i dont see it

[drifting oak]

easy

[bitter turtle]

for u to get caught

in crossfire

from your teammate and enemy gunner

if they are behind u then they wont be shot at it bc they are behind smoke

if they are in front of u then just step 1 foot to the right and voila

[tall torrent]

if ur new to veteran, take at least 1 wound

if ur very experienced

try to get over 200+ health

and have a 20% sniper resist

then it's toughness & sprint efficiency imo

[umbral scaffold]

why is hp more important?

[tall torrent]

dockets aren't bad either

[bitter turtle]

hp is nice to not get deleted by enemies that basically ignore toughness

[tall torrent]

because being able to tank 2 burster/sniper hits and not die can save runs

[bitter turtle]

snipers/bombers for example

[umbral scaffold]

hmm ok

[drifting oak]

there are like at least six maps

where doors lead to this layout

and smokes are useless at doing what they advertise

[umbral scaffold]

wait i have something for this

[bitter turtle]

then why dont you just throw the smokes where the green circles are lol

you realize smokes also stop enemy gunner if u are standing behind them too right?

the only time they dont work is if u are standing in front

[tall torrent]

seems like u don't understand smokes