veteran-class

[somber axle]

Hilarious memories of smoke Vets spamming them into poxwalkers and Crushers when there are no guns anywhere

[faint beacon]

Something I’ve learned is during horde events either avoid tossing them

Or toss them behind your team away from the horde

If shooters are getting to be bad

[somber axle]

And the funny time a smoke Vet literally tossed a smoke down at his feet when a poxburster was approaching and then just forgot it was coming and ate shit LOL

[hearty panther]

if you cant see it it doesnt exist

ezstrats

[faint beacon]

Also another thing for smoke vets

Please

[somber axle]

Object permanence is hard

[faint beacon]

Mark the areas you plan to toss your smokes at

[last parcel]

penance hunters or 1 brain cell
call it
Anton Chigurh picture

[faint beacon]

Helps a shit ton

[oblique totem]

When I was going for the smoke grenade penance, I would just look for goups of ranged enemies and throw it at them. Kinda like the shredder grenade but with more steps.

[faint beacon]

Forget you can do that

[hearty panther]

smoke penance was kinda poorly designed. it just wants you to smoke stuff, it isnt particular about accomplishing its actual niche

[faint beacon]

They tend to run out of the smoke though and continue fire

[somber axle]

You can't even suppress Crushers or poxwalkers with smoke grenades. The only melee horde type that can be suppressed are groaners LOL

[oblique totem]

It makes them wither forget you exist or run towards you to get a better shot.

[hearty panther]

which is why peeps just toss it out on hordes (i did too) cause it just has to apply the debuff to as much stuff as possible to stack up quickly

[somber axle]

So probably a little of column A and a little of column B

[elder fiber]

Smole penance actively encourages misusing them and its not like the game explains how tp use them properly

[faint beacon]

I tend to toss it in areas away from hordes to act as a back line we can retreat to

Works fucking wonders

Oh also

[somber axle]

Praying every day numbers cat writes a detailed info blurb on smokes for the 2.0 guide he preps so I can just screenshot and share the page and beg people to read it when they ask about smokes LOL

[faint beacon]

You hear the hunting pack howls

[somber axle]

[faint beacon]

Start tossing smokes regardless

[oblique totem]

Funny, I pray every day that he doesn't

[faint beacon]

Literally instantly removes their brains when they show up

@tall torrent path we’re begging you update smokes

In the guide

[oblique totem]

Anyway, I like shredder more because it just kills the things that can hurt you.

[tall torrent]

It is updated in the WIP version

[faint beacon]

YEAAAAA

[oblique totem]

God hath forsaken me

[faint beacon]

Trying to horde the smoke grenades to yourself huh?

Lmao

[oblique totem]

No I just like how everyone thinks smoke grenades are a bad option and get mad at vets who use them

It's hilarious to me in a mundane way.

[faint beacon]

It’s usually Zealot players I’ve noticed that get

Really upset about it

“Usually”

Ranges though

[oblique totem]

Yep, which is even better because zealots stand to benefit the most from smoke grenades

It's like the universe is playing a practical joke

[faint beacon]

I go out of my way to stand in smokes when they’re tossed down

They’re just really damn useful

[somber axle]

Thank you sir

[faint beacon]

We love to see smoke representation

Contemplating if I should attempt an actually true God Roll Vraks III

Or just wait for the update

Cause my current one is so-so

My XI is better than my III

[tall torrent]

wait it out imo

[tall torrent]

I only have 3 sections I need to complete for it to be rdy for full release

[trim steppe]

It seems likely to drop at the end of the month, but perhaps I'm just high on copium

[tall torrent]

however

I think by the time that those 3 sections are done

SotMG is gonna drop

which is gonna bring its own set of changes

which I then need to update the guide for

[last parcel]

Secretions of the Maniacal German

[somber axle]

NICE
is it weird I'm more excited for the guide than the crafting rework
but Boltpistol is #1 in darktide hype for me right now

[tall torrent]

I've also been practicing a few more melee encounters since I got some mods

[oblique totem]

Can't wait for the crafting update to invalidate everything

[tall torrent]

practicing fighting a pack of maulers/crushers in melee is a very useful imo

[tall torrent]

it won't

because I made it in a way that's meant to be easily changeable with updates

[umbral parrot]

How will Crafting update work?

[oblique totem]

That's considerate of them.

[umbral parrot]

Either unlocks all 4 locks or... outright does something else entirely.

[tall torrent]

unknown

when they have it rdy they'll write a devblog on it

[umbral parrot]

Yea, maybe they'll finally add customizable weapons. Scope where it is needed, and stuff like that.

Because they're not saying #Breakthelocks or something like that.

I am hyped!

[oblique totem]

One can hope

[tall torrent]

those won't be coming in crafting update prob

[last parcel]

maybe in 2039

[tall torrent]

it's mostly just itemization

[umbral parrot]

Come on, this big update with a new map will simply allow us to just open up all 4 locks?

[oblique totem]

Maybe even risk some excitement and optimism for the future.

[umbral parrot]

Has to be more!

[tall torrent]

maybe not even 4 slots lol

[last parcel]

what the fuck is optimism

[umbral parrot]

Imagine!

[oblique totem]

You know how you constantly feel like the next update is just going to be a disappointment? Imagine believing wholeheartedly that it won't be.

[last parcel]

sounds like one of those fake things

like the easter bunny

And the king of england

[oblique totem]

I have been informed that it is a real thing. Unlike those other two fake things you said.

[tall torrent]

being optimistic is fine

DT has been getting good updates for a while even though they're slow

[umbral parrot]

They.... have?

Penance was horrible!

[tall torrent]

what's horrible abt it

besides the shader optimization bug

[umbral parrot]

Doing the brain rotting challenges and screwing over teams.

[tall torrent]

did u get Moebian 6th full set yet

[umbral parrot]

You know, it was not fun playing as a Zealot, joining a game, throwing a nade, and quitting just to repeat.

[hearty panther]

ah yes the halcyon days of pre-penance, when everyone was totally perfect and unselfish

[umbral parrot]

Oh yea, it looks great~! ❤️

[tall torrent]

I mean, if u played like that for penances, yea

but like

u could have played normally

[umbral parrot]

I didn't play like that before the penance and after i completed it.

No, i would never have played it normally. Because i don't play Psyker or Zealot.

[tall torrent]

that's a u problem

not a penance update problem

[last parcel]

who put a gun to your head and forced you to do that lol

[umbral parrot]

It ain't, it's my team's problem when i leave.

[coral willow]

some are badly designed for a penance like armoursbane where its just throw 500 nades

[tall torrent]

yea some are bad

[umbral parrot]

No one did, i wanted to do it. But it's still toxic AF.

[tall torrent]

I'd still rather they've added it instead of not adding it

[oblique totem]

You... Didn't have to do that though.

[umbral parrot]

Why would i not? I want to finish it ASAP so i can go back to Ogryn or Vet.

[tall torrent]

no, it's that u refuse to play normally and want to blame the game for that, somehow

[faint beacon]

Sadly it’s never happening

[tall torrent]

besides, the fire grenade penance is one of the easier ones

[faint beacon]

They said they’re against it but thankfully we got mods

[tall torrent]

if u had to do that for that penance idk what to tell u lol

[umbral parrot]

Still was not fun.

[oblique totem]

Modders holding the line

[umbral parrot]

Oh no, i'm done with the penances. Finished all but the private lobby ones.

[faint beacon]

Modders making me mentally sane using certain weapons

Lmao

[umbral parrot]

Still, I did feel bad either leaving or playing braindead strategy.

Nothing was fun about shooting my stubber in the air to trigger Lucky bullet.

[coral willow]

some are horrible but i do still not get why this "optional" thing was "forced" upon ye
only thing i would comment on would be like certain 1-class guys cant physically obtain them. wish they just split the penance down to each classes

[oblique totem]

I've managed to get through the penances without screwing over my team at all.

[umbral parrot]

It was never forced. It's dumb to think otherwise. But I'm the type that has to get it to prove to everyone that i got it. And to show off that i'm awesome! x3

Does not mean it was fun!

[somber axle]

Dude could you imagine if they do something that breaks the meta?

[tall torrent]

they designed them as optional long-term objectives to grind for

[coral willow]

yeah

[tall torrent]

they didn't design them for people to speedrun in a week

[faint beacon]

New weapons… eurgghhhh

I need new weapons….

[oblique totem]

That's kind of funny coming from you.

[coral willow]

im sorry to say this but it does feel like a personal issue

[tall torrent]

can tell u with 90% certainty it won't be the boltpistol lol

[coral willow]

people did grind them in a week unfortunately

[tall torrent]

yea ik some who did

but it's all optional

[umbral parrot]

Yea, well regardless if it was my personal issue, i guess i played the game wrong. Regardless, done with that crap thankfully.

[coral willow]

im glad its here

[oblique totem]

Far as I can tell, there's no benefit to speed running penances.

[somber axle]

Imagine if they make it so you can upgrade with the new Mechanicus thing giving a new resource that lets you upgrade from current max legendary to a new rank unlocking 81-100% stat range and rank IV perks/blessings??

Everything we know would suddenly change immensely LOL

I doubt it would be something that big

But it's funny to speculate

[gilded rock]

Oh yeah I totally forgot that we were limited to 80%

[coral willow]

tbh i dont wanna think about 81~100% stat unlock cause it'd mean i have to remake all my weapons

[tall torrent]

all them need to do is to make RNG as minimal as possible and allow free crafting (make anything exactly the way u want it)

[gilded rock]

But all the breakpoint upgrades...

[tall torrent]

u'd get 1~2 extra breakpoints at best

unless a weapon has first target as a stat roll

[coral willow]

woe upon ye

[somber axle]

I'd like it if they allowed the final upgrade to let us choose itemization. Final upgrade lets us add +20% to 2 stats of our choosing up to a max of 100% and allows Hadron to change a third trait on a weapon when reblessing/changing perks

[umbral parrot]

Imagine a 100 mobility knife? lol

[gilded rock]

I can think of a good few weapons that would meet new very good breakpoints, I don't think it would be a niche upgrade at all

[oblique totem]

Be you optimistic or pesimistic? Place your bets now, people!

[umbral parrot]

Pesimistic.

[last parcel]

vaporeon

[somber axle]

Imagine how crazy breakpoints would change on how damage scaling jumps between an 80% damage weapon and a 100% damage weapon LOL

[umbral parrot]

Updates are aight so far.

[radiant chasm]

unknown until dev blog comes out, the playtesters being excited and hyped for it probably means it will be similar to the penance and talent update and overhaul the system, meaning veteran players have a headstart, but they aren't going to be able to hit BiS day of the patch

[umbral parrot]

Talent tree was the best so far. Hate how they keep nerfing the Ogryn but i still love it~! ❤️

[tall torrent]

none of that is necessary when they can just eliminate RNG

[radiant chasm]

the scaling between 80-100% is also based on BPs. the last Breakpoint for a lot of stats is 76%, not 80%

[somber axle]

As a clown I am aware of what meta is even if I don't play it. Anything that breaks up the meta and forces players to change/adapt is exciting to me. The potential for new builds to rise is very funny to think about

[radiant chasm]

there is always going to be some level of rng or else they would scrap the crafting system alltogether and you'd just lock your weapon in and that's that

[umbral parrot]

This sounds like good news!

Yea, besides, weapon stats is nothing compared to player skill.

[radiant chasm]

it's not vt2 system, I really hope it's not bandaiding DTs system, I sincerely hope it's something new and exciting, though I think some people are getting their hopes too high

[somber axle]

I know but the cynical clown on my shoulder says they will add a new layer of crafting to add to replayability rather than make something to lower the number of hours needed to get an optimal weapon

[umbral parrot]

Like, i mean it. I want to do an all gray no curios Auric mission with someone one day!

[coral willow]

doubt they will, its the main gimmick of darktide

[faint beacon]

Wait Path we’re confirmed getting a Boltpistol

[umbral parrot]

Yep!

No Plasmapistol yet~

[tall torrent]

scrap weapon stat rolls (unify everything under 1 weapon variant as 80% in all 5 stats)
open 3 slots for customization instead of current 2
good enough to me

[coral willow]

im gonna nuke fatshark if they somehow devolve into this

[oblique totem]

You would have to be aware of the meta to do what you already do. The interesting aspect is that what is now considered clown science might very well become the new meta, making you a clown prophet.

[faint beacon]

I have to make A BP + Chainsword build

[radiant chasm]

there is still going to be RNG and crafting, I believe it will lower the gap between an low rolled and high rolled item in terms of what a player can do to fix that

[radiant chasm]

yes and that's bandaid'ing the existing system

[faint beacon]

True Commissar build

[tall torrent]

yea, would prefer an entirely better system over that

[somber axle]

That would be the funniest way for things to play out but I don't think Fatshark will buff Recons in a way to make me ascend beyond regular clown into clown royalty

[radiant chasm]

also removing variants without introducing a weapon customization overhaul would suck ass

[tall torrent]

I hate the 5 stat roll system we currently have

[late hatch]

They just need to make the resource cost for fixing weapons right. ATM people just roll hundreds of duds and to get good rolls. Allowing people to just bypass the annoying grind and just sink resources into making a well rolled weapon good would improve UE

[tall torrent]

not removing variants

[somber axle]

Clown Crown is just a Burger King crown

[tall torrent]

more like

[radiant chasm]

some variants are in a bad spot

[tall torrent]

removing the 5 stat rolls

as in

[oblique totem]

In this regard solely, I am ever the optimist.

[tall torrent]

all rashads are the exact same in 5 stat rolls (80% for all 5)

[gilded rock]

bro might be milk

[tall torrent]

yea and it's gonna be mid tier at best prob

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sad-burger-king-gif-22305885

[umbral parrot]

Bet it will have crazy headshot damage!

Like a Stubber Pistol but with an emergency shooty button!

[radiant chasm]

there is still going to be a time and grind element evolved, it's how tide games work, and if it's like the penance update, veteran players aren't going to be impossibly ahead of new players, and new players will likely benefit from the update more (this is all guesswork based on observations and conversation)

[coral willow]

like i have openly stated before DT crafting>VT2 crafting
i dont miss vt2
Darktide just needs more saving throw options, like buyable temporary blessinngs, modifier modification with diamantine, and maybe red level weapons which can change 3 slots instead of 2
we dont need red level weapon that always gets top rolls, they are dumb and relic of vt2 i dont apprieciate

[radiant chasm]

vt2 was just as bad as DT in it's own way, it had the perk rerolling, spamming dust recycling and converting

[somber axle]

Me after work listening to Caramelldansen in Aurics. Just change the plushie to G'raha

[radiant chasm]

spamming perks, the fixed meta with nothing really interesting as an option

[coral willow]

its worse imho least darktide you are more involved

[radiant chasm]

you just picked the same meta on everything perks and blessings

[shadow urchin]

I wouldn't mind seeing a new take on red weapons. DRG had a good go of it.

[umbral parrot]

If there's red weapons, we need something harder in game

[coral willow]

overclock rng sucked even if i liked the normal weapons

[tall torrent]

I just think it's really insane that after collecting legitimately every weapon blessing for every weapon at every tier on veteran, I still can't make exactly the weapon I want as I please

[umbral parrot]

Most Auric Mission i'm able to do now. It's crazy to think we can get something stronger.

[faint beacon]

I’ll insist on using it

[radiant chasm]

nah, give red weapons, just nerf players

[faint beacon]

It’ll seem fun

[umbral parrot]

Oh, good point!

[north raptor]

SO weird

[umbral parrot]

But you can't Nerf me, i'm awesome!

[radiant chasm]

players are OP right now imo, they need to lower the gap between shit builds and Meta builds

[last parcel]

is it the regular version sped up or something like "caramelldansen but you're bleeding out in the club bathroom"

[north raptor]

the 80% thing

[coral willow]

better to say op imho

[umbral parrot]

There are talents that are dead in the water to be honest.

[radiant chasm]

nah, there is a limit, there is no way to buff every ranged weapon to the plasma gun

[faint beacon]

Well the have two ways of doing it

[tall torrent]

buff the bad talents & blessings
slightly nerf the meta talents & blessings

[faint beacon]

Either nerfing the meta

[radiant chasm]

there is no way to buff every melee weapon to the psword/rashad

[faint beacon]

Or buffing the shit stuff

Nerfs are easier

In a Dev sense

[radiant chasm]

i know people hate nerfs, but you should nerf less in pve games, but not avoid nerfs at all

[faint beacon]

Buffing will make it fun for everyone

But nerfs are overall easier

[umbral parrot]

I agree, nerfing is not that much of a great idea.

[radiant chasm]

sometimes nerfs are necessary because, well, you can't buff everything to the same level

[tall torrent]

some things are in need of nerf

[radiant chasm]

and you want a meta that can and should change so the game isn't stale

[coral willow]

it shouldn't avoid one but i dont think anything really requires one rn other than some overtuned ones like powersword/plasma

[tall torrent]

combat axe need a rework tbh

[radiant chasm]

the power creep outside of say, veteran rambo build and zealot HR is insane rn

[faint beacon]

VOC

[coral willow]

oh yeha that also

very crutchy

[tall torrent]

nah let's nerf FotF

[faint beacon]

I love VOC but it serious needs a CD increase

[tall torrent]

VoC needs nerf too

but get FotF out of here

[faint beacon]

Honestly fair

[coral willow]

its the only thing zealot is going for

[tall torrent]

FotF is the least healthy part about zealot's kit and yk I'm right

[elder fiber]

almost universally a lot can be toned down just with cdr on kill/crit nerfs

[faint beacon]

VOC is a lesser FotF but it’s more easier to spam out

[radiant chasm]

i mean, look at survivalist, people say they should just buff the other auras instead but to get the approximate value of pre nerf scav, you'd have to buff the movement speed and damage to a ridic amount. and those auras imo are in line with the rest of the classes

[faint beacon]

FotF literally is just a win button on demand

[coral willow]

wish other zealot ult was generalized as much as FoTf

[faint beacon]

It’s fucking insane

[umbral parrot]

I mean.... it's really REALLY good.

[radiant chasm]

fotf is overtuned and i think every zealot chatter wants it to be broken down into optional nodes that extend out

[faint beacon]

I genuinely prefer Chastise I think it is?

Or is it perfect strike

[radiant chasm]

fotf is chastise

or well, the upgraded chastise

[coral willow]

^

[faint beacon]

The auto aim charge

[coral willow]

yes

[faint beacon]

Oh shit

[coral willow]

zealot has like 1 charge

[radiant chasm]

perfect strike is like, cleaving on crit blessing

[faint beacon]

I was thinking of Chorus

Lmao

[coral willow]

stop trying to knock down your own pillars

[faint beacon]

Chorus is fucking insane

[tall torrent]

I think the only thing preventing them from doing that is because FotF's code is turbo fucked that they had to just accept that the armor downgrade is a feature and not a bug

[coral willow]

chorus is meh when vets exist its fucking funnny

[radiant chasm]

chorus has a massive issue I HATE in that you do no DPS while it's active outside of dots/immo nade

and that it doesn't knock over enemies at the last pulse

[coral willow]

without armor downgrade zealot has the least anti-armor option

[radiant chasm]

they just do a shimmy and recover

[umbral parrot]

What's FOTF? lol

[coral willow]

VoC

[faint beacon]

Upgraded Chastise

[radiant chasm]

we can use anti armor multiclass melee better than any other class

[faint beacon]

Aka the Charge on Zealot

[tall torrent]

which is very funny because zealot's other 2 abilities don't have nearly as much use as FotF

[radiant chasm]

fury of the faithful

[faint beacon]

It’s fun

[umbral parrot]

Oh, gotcha.

[faint beacon]

But I’ll admit

[tall torrent]

I think they should just bring up zealot's anti-armor in general and break down FotF

[faint beacon]

It’s extremely strong

[radiant chasm]

I get what they were doing for chorus, but i really wish it didn't lock you into chanting, instead it was just on your belt and pulsed much slower

i mean, zealot can consistently use rashad, chain axe, better than vet or psyker

[faint beacon]

They should give it a node that does that

[radiant chasm]

fotf jsut needs to be broken down into nodes

[coral willow]

single one that has uncanny, otherwise its just big damage dealer which zealot has no shortage of- no dedicated uncanny makes it hard to pick other options than FotF imho

[elder fiber]

idk armor downgrade is fun and also the only thing that makes flamer actually worth using

[radiant chasm]

crusher can anti armor, evisc does anti armor

[tall torrent]

veteran rashad hits for like twice the dmg as zealot rashad with just slower atk speed

[late hatch]

The times I've used chorus over a downed player and just watch the other 2 swinging away instead of rezzing. And you just have to stand there spamming your ping

[radiant chasm]

twice the damage? maybe the same if your buffs line up to our buffs

[tall torrent]

veteran rashad can 3 hit crushers with just HT stacks

[coral willow]

crusher isnt anti-armor nor evi imho
they can deal decent or huge damage, but not anti-armor
there isnt a dedicated anti-armor option for zealot other than the knife

[radiant chasm]

martyrdom fotf zealot, slap on duelist and sustained assault

[elder fiber]

chorus mandatory point tax is also straight up insulting

[tall torrent]

zealot needs smth like duellist + martyrdom

[radiant chasm]

mk15 evi literally chain kills crushers

[tall torrent]

granted, martyrdom is literally dmg juice

[coral willow]

needs carapace + crit

[radiant chasm]

plus, once again, we use knife better

[tall torrent]

yea that's using ability, prob with duellist active

[faint beacon]

I can never see myself using Martyrdom

[radiant chasm]

and since it doesn't need a cleave blessing, rampage + BT is easy asf

[tall torrent]

that's a bunch of conditionals attached

[faint beacon]

Even though I could totally use it correctly I just

Prefer having full HP

[radiant chasm]

literally the same as vet no?

[tall torrent]

vet just needs headtaker stacks up

not much else

no ability activation needed

[radiant chasm]

i don't get what you mean

[coral willow]

it stops on 4 maulers please

[radiant chasm]

yes, but it has a 4 unit damage cap

anyways

[coral willow]

i know it has damage cap(absurdly low for a 2h weapon) but i just use perfect strike to stun them all

[radiant chasm]

i'm not saying it's a perfect solution but even if fotf were to lose it's armor downgrade, zealots would not be hard up for anti armor

[faint beacon]

Veteran has a handful of Melee Talents that cater towards the Rashad being on par with Zealot basically I might look them up and list them off

[tall torrent]

zealot needs to use ability / have certain conditionals active / have martyrdom active which forces u to build a specific way

veteran needs to get his standard dmg nodes, at most 3 points into getting +melee dmg, and just having headtaker stacks up

[radiant chasm]

yes i am aware of veterans melee tree

[coral willow]

only option for them on ranged are bolters/revolvers

[radiant chasm]

i mean, zealot has sustained assault and headtaker, and more attack speed

[radiant chasm]

mk3 HH

[tall torrent]

the more atk speed part is true

[faint beacon]

Plus the 10% Rending though that’s more of a Bonus lmao

[tall torrent]

but the less dmg part is also true

[coral willow]

have you used mk3 hh

[faint beacon]

HHA my beloved

All of them

[radiant chasm]

10% rending is like, 2.5% damage on most rashad swings cause of adms, maybe a full 10% good, but not super stronk

[radiant chasm]

a lot

on both zealot and vet

deadly accurate headhunter+ elites, don't even have carapace perks

[coral willow]

cause i use it specifically on my catachan sword chorus build, it takes half a mag to knock out one

[radiant chasm]

that's the ammo investment 🤷

[tall torrent]

I just think FotF is really unhealthy for zealot as a whole

[faint beacon]

Yeah it tends to eat mags cause it’s Carapace

[coral willow]

ammo investment is fine, talking about time here
it shouldnt be fast as a bolter but its still too slow imho

[tall torrent]

and tbh, until death + holy revenant also isn't healthy for zealot

[faint beacon]

But it doesn’t eat a massive amount of ammo

[radiant chasm]

it really just needs to be broken down, maybe shrink some chafe off our tree so we aren't point starved

[coral willow]

take that off and whole zealot gets defeated by a vet with VoC & powersword

[radiant chasm]

nah, it is now, maybe it could do with a 30 second longer CD, but it's only a 25% heal now

[faint beacon]

Honestly Until Death should be reworked

[radiant chasm]

which, is def not unfair unlike the 100% heal during the feat days

[faint beacon]

I have an idea how

[tall torrent]

yea the +stagger stuff seems rly unnecessary on zealot imo

[radiant chasm]

why? it's a death save

[faint beacon]

That’s the issue

It’s a safety net for only Zealot

No one else has that type of safety net

[elder fiber]

during the feat days you also had to choose between twbs and holy rev

[radiant chasm]

some stagger stuff is good, punishment on mk4 chaxe lets you bully ragers and maulers with heavies and push attacks, packs of them

[tall torrent]

it's more that TWBS + until death + holy revenant is such a big point tax that I don't rly see as much build variation

[tall torrent]

punishment is fine, but the rest seem unnecessary

punishment is also just nice for interrupt immunity

[radiant chasm]

ogryn does in the FNP subnodes

[faint beacon]

However I would like to see it simply Delay a down and just make you idfk invincible for like 5 seconds with a damage buff

[tall torrent]

vet popping VoC every 12 seconds in HiSTG:

[radiant chasm]

vet has voc, pskyer has a lot of tools, i'd agree with you when it was at 100% HP

[faint beacon]

Tbf that’s a Disabler save

[faint beacon]

Also hence why I want a CD increase on it

[coral willow]

VoC saves against anything

[elder fiber]

like if nerfing the broken stuff is coming with a whole tree rework thats one thing, just gutting fotf holy rev and twbs on their own isn't going to encourage build variety, just gonna make the class kinda shit

[tall torrent]

it's less so that the CD itself is too short
it's more that tac awareness is a bit insane in HiSTG and maelstrom

[coral willow]

tac awareness is always insane

[radiant chasm]

but since it's just the deathsave, not a recovery, i think the node is fine besides maybe increasing the CD of it by 15-30 seconds

[elder fiber]

and like, its almost universally agreed that cdr in general needs to go so maybe kill that entirely and then take a look at other things once there's been time to breathe

[faint beacon]

Yeah true they should probably give it the Survivalist treatment

[tall torrent]

especially considering that vet prob has the most responsive anti-special tools after zealot's throwing knives

[radiant chasm]

tbf, a lot of weapons don't need twbs and no one "needs" HR besides the fact it's the only reliable path down to benediction->fotf

[coral willow]

throwing knives are also overtuned if anything

[radiant chasm]

hammers and chain weapons mainly need twbs because of how they function

[faint beacon]

Yes and No it’s weird

[radiant chasm]

if HR was in a worse spot on the tree it would be taken less imo

[faint beacon]

I personally think if you can land headshots with Throwing Knives you deserve the high damage kills

[radiant chasm]

also, hard to get players to use desperation, bit niche

[hearty panther]

today's silly menu

[radiant chasm]

throwing knife is a big trade off

[hearty panther]

fukken marksman focus

[faint beacon]

Taxe warrior 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[radiant chasm]

not having an AOE oh shit problem solver is def a downside and why i don't use knife in most of my builds, unless i'm running flamer

[coral willow]

none of the nade options are good imho, only ones i use are immolation nades

[tall torrent]

throwing knife also kinda has the best pathing for zealot's starter tree

[coral willow]

zealot revanant is fine imho, it makes the class unique- problem is its definitely overtuned compared to other nodes

[sterile hull]

ahhh I don't know what to do, is this a brick or worth using and if so how? Included current shovel (I only own decimator III)

[coral willow]

which is a common practice on every node on zealot really

[radiant chasm]

stun nades are great if you are hyper aggressive frontliner like me imo, also the pathing above them is the best for non crit weapons imo, i don't like anything past the first 2 nodes in the middle

[north raptor]

yea the middle path is garbage.

[coral willow]

FotF, dualist, everyhting on the throwing knives tree, the dont get stunned by gunshots, etc

[coral willow]

i take middle path the most

the above 2 has the most knack, but people sleep on the +25% hp regen after getting damaged

[radiant chasm]

the ranged damage and unyielding damage is nice, but, after that bleh

also stun nades are just good if the group is too armored for an immo nade

[coral willow]

if you get heavily damaged and your health auto goes to 1 for a saving throw it acts as a mini revenanat

[hearty panther]

the health regen with bleed for the emp is a cute combo

[coral willow]

its not the best, but every bit helps

[coral willow]

idk fotf and bolters or guns is my go

unless its a bulwark wave then i do pop a immo nade

chorus would be neat if it can give longer overshield buff(VoC has less cooldown + more overshield duration) or apply brittleness to the stunned targets

shroudfield is fine as is imho

[flint lake]

bolt guns are nice if you're looking for more a challenge

[elder fiber]

shroudfield just needs loner to not be the worst aura in the game

[hearty panther]

if i hold the relic out the entire duration it should let me fire it off like a megacannon

[flint lake]

ain't as clutch as they'd been

[coral willow]

also loner seems to give the default zealot aura, is that normal

anyone tested this

[hearty panther]

i wish it did

[coral willow]

the buff indicator says it gives default zealot aura

i know you cant trust that shit

but might be worth testing out

if it does give out 7.5% toughness resistance aura loner isnt thw worst aura option probably

[north raptor]

the buff indicators unmodded at least are so reliably buggy for me that i dont trust them for anything

but the issue is really that loner incentivizes leaving comrades to die

and racing through the level without your team

[midnight totem]

who wants to play a game

[coral willow]

londer does do that yea
i dont think its a bad one if it does give out 7.5% toughness resis

[white minnow]

i really doubt that loner is responsible for players who do this though

[coral willow]

loner makes people go "oh im in coherency i can regen fast while away from team" and run up to a trapper and get netted

[white minnow]

shitters are going to do whatever they want
e.g., the only time i've experienced a player running ahead with no regard was a stealth vet, not zealot

[coral willow]

did i say he was 50m away from the team

[elder fiber]

the aura and the penance encourage risky/shitty positioning but stealth zealot trolling by running thru a level to aggro everything, make AI director spawn more stuff and then hide in a corner is something else

[coral willow]

^yeah this is why people hate runners

but i might genuinely try out loner

over the benediction

[white minnow]

though that's the player

i don't get why we are blaming some talent instead of the people who have full self control over themselves

this is just plain silly

[north raptor]

because there's no free will and we're a nexus of impulses and incentive structures

[unique sorrel]

beware the carrot

[tribal tangle]

Do any of the combat axes actually clear well?

[trim steppe]

yes

rashad is some of the best clear in the game

antax is pretty good too

[coral willow]

requires brutal momentum

[tribal tangle]

does rashad have combo clear or just light spam

[somber vault]

a full set of stam regen and sprint cost curios makes such a difference

its wild

[trim steppe]

pretty much just light spam

[coral willow]

until unyielding/carapace then heavy

[somber axle]

Caramelldansen but the clown costume isn't coming off

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[coral willow]

caramelldansen but they're blasting it off in the citadel

[tall torrent]

Push atk & light spam

[midnight totem]

Huh

Got Frenzied Killer 3

Not even sure how

[astral blade]

So what is best in slot for the col infantry autogun

[hearty panther]

Wooo done marksman focus

[oblique totem]

Caramelldansen but the other vet just ran off on their own and got downed by a trapper while the zealot solos a beast of nurgle and you've been downed next to an explosive barrel.

[tall torrent]

flak dmg + dum dum
2nd perk can be elite/maniac/crit chance
2nd blessing can be deathspitter/fire frenzy/hit & run/sustained fire/stripped down

main priority is flak + dum dum

[umbral scaffold]

You'll get a lot of mileage out of:
Perks: flak dmg + unyielding dmg
Blessing: Dum Dum + stripped down

The gun is already OP enough without needing elite/maniac/crit chance. With unyielding, you'll melt a beast of nurgle and do reasonable damage to plague ogryn/chaos spawn.

Just make sure you grab duck and dive with stripped down for infinite stamina refresh/immunity to gunners.

[astral blade]

this is my beautiful gun

[umbral scaffold]

Shame to have no flak damage. Still very useable.

[astral blade]

to me she a beauty

[umbral scaffold]

The best Columnus I've rolled is on my Psyker. Pretty much a perfect roll.

Too bad I don't run gun psyker as often anymore.

[astral blade]

that gun was honestly the best rng i could pull off

while there were better guns good old robo bitch or whatever her name was bricked them

this was the only one that was salvable

[split swan]

Any suggestions for an extra talent point on a helbore mk1 build? My build:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bc28224-a30f-4202-b627-8b2f1c6d0869/veteran-15

[umbral scaffold]

You could try not running a hellbore

[hearty panther]

id grab the stam regen under shocktrooper

[split swan]

Totally forgot about that one, good call, thank you

[hollow ibex]

honestly wouldn't even go for shock trooper or surv

[bitter turtle]

demo team i salways a choice

tbh

do you actually need

shocktrooper AND surv

that's rather excessive for a hb

[split swan]

Tbh probably not, I usually run survivalist since the other auras don't seem as good

Shocktrooper could change out and I take both Demo team and stam regen

[fluid solstice]

I’m having withdrawals

[hollow ibex]

move speed aura is actually pretty damn good

[north raptor]

i like that one too

[hollow ibex]

and you're already picking up agile engagement anyway

[radiant chasm]

damage aura is alright, so is movement speed

it's nothing compared to survivalist, but with the other auras, it is fair and adds up

like, if you had ogryn damage to suppressed enemies, the psyker elite damage, and your own damage, that's substantial

[hollow ibex]

damage aura is straight up useless unless it helps you hit very specific breakpoints

even then very niche

movement speed is literally always good

surv is good on some builds, useless on others

[coral willow]

unless everyones a staff psyker you always benefit

[hollow ibex]

from what

[wild vortex]

y'all think this is salvageable on Shouty?

[hexed cloak]

idk whate the usual slots are for axes

[wild vortex]

if I go Bromentum + Headtaker and leave the perks as is

[hollow ibex]

sorry that's bricked

you can test

[wild vortex]

[hexed cloak]

i mean decapitor doesnt seem that bad?

[hollow ibex]

but one shotting both dreg and and scab bruisers is mandatory

[hexed cloak]

but idk i dont use axes

[wild vortex]

I have a REALLY good Rashad on Vet but I just don't have a good one on Shouty

[hexed cloak]

i know its more of an armor assassin weapon

[hollow ibex]

it's the whole unique use of rashad

[tall torrent]

usable not great

swap crit dmg and decapitator

keep thrust

[wild vortex]

[hollow ibex]

it's usable, but it's going to be SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than the meta rashad build

[tall torrent]

crit dmg to unarmored

[wild vortex]

I will miss my Headtaker sadge

[hollow ibex]

which is hilariously broken

[tall torrent]

decapitator to BM

[wild vortex]

yeah I know

I am unable to use anything else for melee on Vet

because that axe is so hilariously OP

[hollow ibex]

ps6 is pretty similar

(with the right build ofc)

[tall torrent]

power sword doesn't stagger crushers

better burst boss dmg in practice

[hollow ibex]

i mean you two shot crushers with peak ps6 anyway

knife is also very good imo, just less damage potential

[tall torrent]

it's a lot easier to 1v6 crusher with rashad than with PS6

without using grenades

[hollow ibex]

hmm idk, i think you can kill faster with the ps6

so long as you don't get caught flatfooted by the shit dodge

[tall torrent]

it kills faster but in 1v6 crusher it's not as safe

[hollow ibex]

yeah ofc

[tall torrent]

rashad can stagger crusher out of overhead

[hollow ibex]

honestly safest bet in a 1v6 crusher might be knife

wait

oh i'm talking to numbers cat lmfao

you changed your pfp, threw me off smh

[wild vortex]

[tacit sonnet]

I don't play much veteran and don't want to play a lot of veteran. Is there a pair of weapons I can use for every new penance?

Because I do want the penances

[wild vortex]

Numbers cat is now numbers broccoli cat

[hexed cloak]

i know the penance for having high accuracy is usually done with plasma or a shotgun

due to their AoE/spread basically guaranteeing a hit

plasma especially because you can burn through ammo quicker by charging it

[tacit sonnet]

I think that's a really old penance

I have every old penance completed

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/spazcat-kissy-nibby-cauliflower-cat-food-gif-6248487249739016762

[tacit sonnet]

I just need to play a lot with every ability, aura and keystone. Is there a build that can fit all nine?

[hexed cloak]

all nine most likely not

but will let an actual skilled vet main answer

[tacit sonnet]

Maybe two weapons. I just don't want to spend too much on a class I won't play much of after doing the penances I want

I am really close to 4500 whatever the penance score is called

[midnight totem]

what do you mean by build that can fit all 9

[tall torrent]

not sure tbh

having the ability to stagger a crusher out of overhead on demand is smth that most other weapons don't have

[hexed cloak]

he means like a build that can handle doing every vet penance

[tall torrent]

yea but that needs him to change abilities & stuff

[midnight totem]

I mean, no? Gotta change up grenades and keystones

But there are more then enough good builds to do multiple at a time

[tall torrent]

although imo u can never rly go wrong with rashad + plasma/mk2 laspistol /MG4 lasgun
that's what I mainly play

mk2 laspistol is super versatile and fits regardless of ability, blitz, aura & keystone used

[last parcel]

gonna bring rashad without bromo

[hollow ibex]

against six of them at once, they'll chain overheads faster than you can stagger in some situations tho

[tall torrent]

lemme record and show u

[hollow ibex]

in those scenarios, better to just be able to get the fuck out of dodge

[tacit sonnet]

3 auras, 3 abilites, 3 keystones

Each one has a penance

What is the least amount of weapons I can get to do each penance tied to each ability

[tall torrent]

@hollow ibex ^

Didn’t even get hit, not perfect conditions either

Didn’t get all weakspot hits off the first 2 crushers

[hollow ibex]

yeah i see your point

[tall torrent]

if the first crusher was all weakspot hit it'd be a lot cleaner

but yea I think having on-demand stagger is super useful in this kind of situation

obv in real game with frag/krak spam it's not as important

[coral willow]

voc being op doesnth elp with any of it

ps6 can 2shot consistantly which is also a bummer for rashad lovers

[frank basin]

@radiant chasm this guy get pack of crusher with rashad axe. Next time you won’t get ptsd

[radiant chasm]

i have my chain axe

my ptsd is seeing my team being pancakes

[frank basin]

But you can solo it

[tacit sonnet]

Any help? What would be the most versatile weapon that can fit almost any build

[frank basin]

And help teammate up

[radiant chasm]

i mean, chainaxe, at least mk4 on zealot

[tall torrent]

Power sword mk6 + mk2 Laspistol

[radiant chasm]

would have no problem, maybe slower cause i don't practice for this exact scenario

[frank basin]

Chainaxe taking bit too long

[radiant chasm]

but since you can use lights

on mk4

[midnight totem]

2. A melee and a ranged weapon

[frank basin]

The cutting animation chainaxe take time

[radiant chasm]

for the same relative dps (cause I don't go thrust) i'm completely safe

yes and lights go fast

especially with zealot attack speed

[tall torrent]

I could try zealot with chainaxe

[radiant chasm]

like, have i ate a crusher overhead and proc'd until death before? yes

[tall torrent]

I have a mk12 that’s kitted for crusher 1 shot

[frank basin]

Pack of crusher can you handle it?

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/marcille-dungeon-meshi-anime-stupefy-mandara-gif-12032223019310150985

[midnight totem]

If you really want to go minimalistic, I'd suggest an old fashioned shovel mk3 or chainsword, and a plasma gun

[radiant chasm]

yes

usually

[frank basin]

Usually?

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t be that big of a difference to mk4 I think? Purely crushers

[radiant chasm]

it's rarely just a crusher pack

🙂

[radiant chasm]

mk12 can reliably thrust oneshot, but it will lock you in so your timing has to be tight or else you'll have to dodge cancel, lose your damage, or get squashed

[tacit sonnet]

Can I use plasma gun for an infiltrate build?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[radiant chasm]

mk4 unrev'd lights are single target, and do competitive dps with the rev'd heavy (not including thrust blessing)

if you use thrust blsesing, rev'd heavy value goes up

but i go slaught headtaker

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[tall torrent]

It works, but plasma usually wants some dedicated talents to meet its 1 headshot breakpoints

Laspistol mk2 functions without much investment and usually does well in all situations

[radiant chasm]

my skill level has been known to fluctuate based on how focused I am on the game and I'm def not perfect

[tall torrent]

It gets a lot stronger with investment too

[radiant chasm]

with practice, i could def take on the crusher challenge easily, prob not as fast

[tall torrent]

I don’t have a good roll CHX4 on zealot

[radiant chasm]

but i could def do it hitless

[tacit sonnet]

Then what should I get for a laspistol ideally?

[frank basin]

Aye

[tall torrent]

Mk2, ghost + dum dum
+Maniac dmg

[frank basin]

Well I’m thinking I can’t solo pack of crusher easily

[radiant chasm]

like, my highest point? team all died on hardmode twins shortly after the rhonan died, so i had to solo rhinda in her enraged state

[midnight totem]

Laspistol won't easily get the crit headshot kill on weapon specialist swap penance

[tall torrent]

I actually think rinda is one of the easier bosses

[radiant chasm]

with martyrdom zealot and chaxe it was an epic duel

[tacit sonnet]

It's fine, it's difficult to get everything with 1 weapon

[radiant chasm]

her sword play is really hard to find openings with, especially during her enraged state after brother dies

she gains more dashes and gets faster

never seen the brothers enraged moveset if the sister dies first

[tall torrent]

Is there a way to have enraged rinda in psykanium hmm

[coral willow]

the rev heavy on head stuns it unlike evi

[radiant chasm]

probably not tbh, it's a scripted event

[tall torrent]

I tried to solo rinda in psykanium with Rashad + VoC

It’s not as bad as I thought

Her 4-step thrust combo isn’t that bad

I think it’s just the dash that’s annoying

[radiant chasm]

evi can do it, need some external power boosted up before hand, but like, mk15 with BT can chain kill crushers

[coral willow]

i just use shred for crit

[tall torrent]

I think

[coral willow]

also just have a carapace damage on it

crit oneshots it

[tall torrent]

CHX 1v6 crusher is def doable

But prob riskier because you would need to dodge cancel at least 1 rev atk

Which doesn’t feel that good to me

(On zealot)

[radiant chasm]

you can, rampage shred can get.... with scourge and blazing you get a ton of crit chance, don't need BT

[radiant chasm]

mk12 yes

mk4, you just won't rev attack

[tall torrent]

Mk4 prob not yea

[radiant chasm]

lights and push attack, all you need

[tall torrent]

I can see mk4 being easier

[coral willow]

i use perfect strike shred cause it gives me much cooldown

[tall torrent]

I think mk4 is the better Chainaxe overall tbh

[radiant chasm]

also, that's another thing i don't like with mk12, the push attack does not have enough stagger

[coral willow]

mk4's thrust heavy is fine

[radiant chasm]

i would go rampage+ one of those

[radiant chasm]

if you go thrust, imo just go mk12, since it's way easier to hit your intended target on the head

mk4 heavy coming from the lower side is just awkward

[coral willow]

can compensate the lowered damage with constant crits + ults and thats about it

not the best at damage dealing

[radiant chasm]

rampage is power, the tooltip is wrong

[coral willow]

i know

[radiant chasm]

damage cleave and stagger

[tall torrent]

EV15 is pretty disgusting at single target dmg tbh

That’s my go-to for monster specialist

[coral willow]

it wont go through shields though

which is why i use perfect strike

[radiant chasm]

with scourge and blazing piety, rampage and perfect strike

would work just fine

you are still critting over half the time and it self sustains itself

[coral willow]

probably has like 60% proc rate, which is fine
i just use shred for that decency

[radiant chasm]

that's my mk15 anyways

evi has a relatively shit finesse mod tho

so the crit damage isn't that good over say, the chsword

or the combat blade

the issue with mk15 evi is the same as mk12 chaxe, no easy crowd stagger setup

mk4 chaxe for example, with punishment talent, can stunlock mauler and rager packs

[coral willow]

perfect strike

and constant FotF

which is why i use it

it doesnt damage them but still procs the cooldown reducer

[radiant chasm]

and just stat check them down with heaives and push attacks

meanwhile the new series of chaxe and evi, both have weird push attacks that don't make space

[tall torrent]

I wish EV15 had EV2’s push atk

[radiant chasm]

only need to fotf every 10 seconds for majority benefit

[coral willow]

i like the lunge attacks of the newer ones

[tall torrent]

It just makes no sense how EV15 has that shitty thrust

[coral willow]

it also stuns nearby targets so if i can use it i use it to stun

ev15 thrust i like tbh

it does decent damage

same goes for mk12 chaxe

[radiant chasm]

and with blazing piety and scourge which literally sustains itself easily, i'm not exactly struggling

[radiant chasm]

i just dodge if needed, which is rare

the cd gain isn't that much lower

[tall torrent]

I just wish it had a wide sweep for on demand stagger

[coral willow]

yeah my build is for when you wanna use fotf every 3 seconds

basically staggers for days

[radiant chasm]

can't wait for crit cdr nerf

[tall torrent]

CHX12’s PA actually does ok dmg

[radiant chasm]

please fatshark

[coral willow]

its not okay its great

[radiant chasm]

nerf my main

[coral willow]

every thrust attack does like great damage to wp

[radiant chasm]

put all the fotf goodies into side nodes, and fucking murder cdr

[coral willow]

well except mk6 combat blade

[radiant chasm]

thrust is the blessing, evi doesn't get

[coral willow]

i meant the push attack being a stab

how do you even call those

[radiant chasm]

it's lights, heavies, special action/rev's, and push attacks

[coral willow]

... not the attack chain name

[radiant chasm]

yea the new evi has the fancy rev push attack

does a lot of damage

[coral willow]

i meant the type of the attack

[radiant chasm]

i don't like it over a sweep to make space

idk, i don't listen to fatshark naming conventions

[coral willow]

for example mk6 combat blade thrusts when you pushattack

[radiant chasm]

"vanguard" "strikedown" they aren't even consistent

[coral willow]

they arent

[radiant chasm]

i call it a stab

cause it stabs

like the ds4 heavy

[coral willow]

so does mk12 chainaxe, mk15 evi, mk4 chainsword

kk stab

[radiant chasm]

i don't like it, it's a cool gimmick but i feel it works on psword much better

[coral willow]

anyway stabs usually have decent damage and a high wp multiplier

mk12's good at randomly killing ragers

[tall torrent]

Yea those are pretty bad descriptions

[radiant chasm]

but for chainweapons, i like the push attack followed by sweep

becasue the sweep will have high damage and/or high stagger

mk4 chaxe best horde clear you are supposed to weave push attacks inbetween heavies

[coral willow]

i use mk4 chainsword, mk12 chainaxe and mk15 evi which all has a stab for push tbh

[tall torrent]

I call them overhead/sweep/stab usually

My brain is hard wired to Rashad PA staggering ragers

[radiant chasm]

what do you call the antax and rashad specials? underhands

[tall torrent]

I can’t adjust to stab PAs easily

[coral willow]

rashad PA existing means that i never have to use its shitty special

[tall torrent]

Rashad & achlys have uppercut PA

[wild vortex]

uppercut

[tall torrent]

Same as HS7’s H1, uppercut

[radiant chasm]

uppercut works i was makin a joke

[tall torrent]

Antax is a poke

[radiant chasm]

people simp for antax push attack being the only attack that has cleave for a combat axe

[coral willow]

pokes are great

[tall torrent]

So ig
Overhead/sweep/stab/poke/uppercut

[radiant chasm]

but uhh, i'd rather have the on demand stagger smack

of rashad

it's a very meaty whack

[coral willow]

see here sthe thing you cant really use all or nothing with a stagger attack

[radiant chasm]

yea, mainly cause you use BM and headtaker

[coral willow]

yeah

which is great

[radiant chasm]

or BM deci if you want a higher ceiling for less consistency

[coral willow]

or use all or nothing

[tall torrent]

Only weapon that’s maybe actually good with AoN is tac axe 2/7 cuz those actually use PA for horde clear often

[radiant chasm]

or decap if you are playing zealot and absolutely want to play the skill and luck lottery

[coral willow]

mix push attacks into the mix and get 32% damage

i use achylis axe at times

[radiant chasm]

headtaker is 25% and 7% isn't that substantial

poor achlys

it's the krourk stubber of combat axes

[coral willow]

its hard to get the full 40% benefit

[coral willow]

have oneshot 3 bulwarks at once you cant say its a bad weapon

[tall torrent]

No it’s legit not practical because even if u have 1% stamina, it’s at 4 stacks (8% per stack)

[radiant chasm]

meanwhile deci is 50%

[coral willow]

still 32%

[tall torrent]

You have to be at 0% stamina to get all 5 stacks of AoN which is stupid

[radiant chasm]

yes I can cause that is so hyper niche and i don't think that's even possible in a normal game

[tall torrent]

Decimator is 40% at max 10 stacks

[coral willow]

it is

i got it on pub damnation

[tall torrent]

Granted, decimator sucks imo

[radiant chasm]

Continuously chaining more than 2 attacks gives +2-5% Power. Stacks 10 times.

[coral willow]

deci only works on shovis

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm

Maybe I made a mistake somewhere

Forgot

[radiant chasm]

deci rashad can def work, requires a bit of self lobotomy but it's double the amount of headtaker

[coral willow]

you also get it a lot slower

so until then no brutal momentum proc

[radiant chasm]

it's dropping consistency and reliability for more ceiling if you want to risk getting there

true, for vet

headtaker everytime

[tall torrent]

If Decimator still stacked per target hit instead of per swing

[radiant chasm]

for zealot, we have the damage bonuses to get BM without needing our damage blessing stacked up

[tall torrent]

I’d rate it higher

[radiant chasm]

and then there is decap

[radiant chasm]

120% finesse damage on enemy oneshot

[tall torrent]

Decapitator is peak dogshit

[radiant chasm]

useless on bosses without trash to feed your blessing

but it technically outscales decimator on rashad

[coral willow]

thrust achylis is peak damage

[radiant chasm]

it outscales decimator

[tall torrent]

It’s too conditional imo

[coral willow]

60% power

[radiant chasm]

on rashad

[coral willow]

at any given moment

[radiant chasm]

yes but thrust is one attack

and you have to charge it

[coral willow]

you almost always proc brutal momentum

[radiant chasm]

might as well go limbsplitter at that point for vet

[coral willow]

its worth it

[radiant chasm]

so you don't have to lock yourself out of swinging at all

[tall torrent]

Thrust achlys is ok but it’s still an achlys

[radiant chasm]

yea, i'd go limbsplitter

same 60%

[tall torrent]

Limbsplitter is better than thrust most of the time imo

[radiant chasm]

on a cooldown instead of having to charge your swing and leave yourself open

[coral willow]

cant constantly proc thrust while holding as a zealot imo

limbsplitter always goes cooldown unlike efficiency

[radiant chasm]

as veteran, i'd always go limbsplitter, no reason to hold it

well, with time wasted charging every attack to full

[coral willow]

on vet yeah

[radiant chasm]

the 3.5 second cooldown

is not that much different

but now you are way less vulnerable

[coral willow]

but you have a take a swing/limbsplitter folding shovel

so

idk why you'd take it

[tall torrent]

Lemme actually change the recommended blessing for the 2 folding shovels

[radiant chasm]

you can simply practice your timing and rhythm to always swing a heavy every 3.5 seconds

[coral willow]

basically rashad cant do this

on full hp

p sure

[tall torrent]

It can, but with some conditionals attached

[radiant chasm]

real game enemies have squares

[tall torrent]

You might need one/more of the ability activation +dmg modifiers

[radiant chasm]

so theya ren't on top of each other

[coral willow]

eh

[radiant chasm]

also, limbsplitter would do the same thing

[coral willow]

i think it requires flak which i dont have

[radiant chasm]

kek

[coral willow]

true but i wont be able to use it every second

[radiant chasm]

wait that's not mauler xd

yea rashad can do that

that's cakewalk

we do that spamming lights

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-lol-funny-point-and-laugh-chuckle-gif-5690161

[coral willow]

havent oneshot it yet

its hard to 1shot mauler even with this it lacks damage really

[radiant chasm]

fuckin, thrust achlys

[tall torrent]

Rashad hitting 1200 dmg on light atk without crit is not that common

[radiant chasm]

that's a gunner

isn't it?

[tall torrent]

1200 on light atk non-crit

[coral willow]

gunner is 1200hp flak

[tall torrent]

You need +flak for it I think

[radiant chasm]

well duh

[coral willow]

yeah

[radiant chasm]

the recomnended blessigns are flak maniac

[coral willow]

dreg gunners are even more tankier

[radiant chasm]

yea, rashad can def do that

my martyrdom build

easily

[tall torrent]

On Rashad? For zealot ig?

Martyrdom yea

[radiant chasm]

yes, rashad vet takes unarmored

for bruiser bp

[tall torrent]

Martyrdom is just dmg juice

[radiant chasm]

i've seen killfeeds of 4 scab gunners at once

[tall torrent]

I thought Rashad for zealot is maniac + elite if not going martyrdom

[radiant chasm]

dreg gunners are probably the hardest without unarmored

i like flak for shotgunners

[tall torrent]

Since if u don’t take elite, u can’t 2 hit Dreg gunner

[coral willow]

god its hard to recreate teh bulwark oneshot

[radiant chasm]

hmm

i only go martyrdom

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

goodnight

[coral willow]

anyways alkso oneshots ragers at times

which is cool

[radiant chasm]

yea shotgunners and ragers

[coral willow]

dont mind the fact that it never lands on their heads proper

[radiant chasm]

matter the most

imo

gunners are piss easy regardless once they are in melee range

swinging down 4 ragers/shotgunners in one go?

that's cash money

[coral willow]

well unless theres 5 of them and they all shoot at you

[radiant chasm]

that's geico

insurance

[tall torrent]

Bulwark is 4800hp now

[radiant chasm]

i simply slide, and use their friend's body as a meatshield

[coral willow]

it was after the patch p sure

i got hit with dopamine

[radiant chasm]

like, there is times were i have goofed up vs gunners

but that's usually me dropping and paying attention to something else

[coral willow]

fotf crit 125% damage full charged achylist h1 with 6 marty stacks

[radiant chasm]

but rushing gunner specifically? they just shoot eachother

[coral willow]

killed 3 bulwarks at once

[tall torrent]

I play Rashad with momentum on zealot usually so

[coral willow]

anyways kinda wanna get the toughness resis nodes

dont have any spares tho

[tall torrent]

I don’t play martyrdom as much now cuz there’s basically no CDR for martyr lol

[radiant chasm]

yea

that's the downside to martyrdom

no cdr

it's so bad it's not even worth the point over a plain toughness node

[tall torrent]

And martyr usually takes left starter right?

The 40% health dmg resist if dmg goes to next wound

[coral willow]

eh

not really worth imo

[radiant chasm]

can go restoring faith as well, if you wanna skimp points, you can go both restoring faith and bleed for the emperor but you can't grab twbs and other goodies

[radiant chasm]

no it is

[coral willow]

i'd' rather take middle's 25% health regen

[radiant chasm]

on martyrdom bleed for the emperor and HR gives a lot of effective DR, especially since most zealot DR is toughness, not HP

you can go both

to really tank up

[faint beacon]

god I felt my eye twitching, with someone doing the classic "binding middle mouse to M1"

[radiant chasm]

you'd lose basically all your free points

[tall torrent]

Which ones are toughness DR

[radiant chasm]

basically all of them, i think bleed for the emperor is the only HP DR zealot can get

and when you have all those wounds and HR, you can absorb a surprising amount of damage

[radiant chasm]

and if you do decided to all in on tank zealot, RF can take you back over the wound threshold

[radiant chasm]

the choice is typically restoring faith or bleed for the emperor

or a specific tank build that uses both

[tall torrent]

Enduring faith is TDR
Good balance is both
Restoring faith is health regen (basically 25% health DR)
Bleed for the emperor is health DR
Shield of contempt is both but only procs on health dmg
Martyrdom has a TDR subnode
Benediction is TDR

[coral willow]

i usually take this only cause bleed for the emperor's reducing hp damage counteracts restoring faith

and the middle tree has more useful nodes to me

[radiant chasm]

it doesn't

you still have the same amount of potential HP loss and gain, it actually synergizes since RF can take you back above a wound

[coral willow]

40% reduced damage also goes down to healing 40% less, its not that much but i dont think it really works with eachother

[radiant chasm]

giving you more bleed for the emperor procs

[radiant chasm]

you restore HP based on HP loss, you still have the same amount of HP to lose

[coral willow]

with the point loss i'd jsut stick to one thing only and least restoring faith works on all situations(unless you are getting mauled)

[radiant chasm]

i feel restoring faith by itself is too innefficient

without like, stacking 3x hp curios like a maniac

and notgoing martyrdom at all

[coral willow]

i think its quite efficient, basically acting as 1/75% = 133% health gain basically

also works with heavy hits that isnt a overhead actually protects you down to 1hp so you can proc that twice

[tall torrent]

I have not used BFTE or restoring faith in a long time lol

I just Rashad + laspistol with throwing knives on zealot

[radiant chasm]

yes and personally since martyrdom only really gets +15% hp from minor curios, i don't find restoring faith that good by itself, and i do think you have the wrong idea, btfe and restoring faith synergize

[radiant chasm]

this is specifically martyrdom

[tall torrent]

Yea I played martyrdom before

It’s fun for big dmg but I didn’t rly like having to stack wound curios

Not having as much toughness wasn’t that appealing to me

[radiant chasm]

it will often bring you back above a wound threshold to proc more btfe

i usually stick to just btfe since i'm stakcing wounds anyways and don't mind stun nades, and for my tankmartyrdom i get both

[tall torrent]

I just think having to spend 8 points into starter for martyr tank is a bit too much tax even for me

[radiant chasm]

if you stack 3x major and minor hp curios, i do know ther eis a handful of zealot players that play restoring faith inexorable judgement

[radiant chasm]

oh yea it's a massive tax

no twbs

no duelist

it is however

really funny

[tall torrent]

Feel like I should just drop one of the starting branches for martyrdom

So I can grab stuff I actually want

[radiant chasm]

this is what i go for aggressive mk4 chaxe

[tall torrent]

Do u main CHX4

[radiant chasm]

yes

mk4 chaxe, i honestly change my ranged option more

i bounce between mk3 HH and the agri brauto depending on mood

columnus is for people who don't go to the cloud district very often

[tall torrent]

I feel like Laspistol is just too useful as a general close-mid range tool

Ghost helps save toughness too vs ranged enemies

[radiant chasm]

i'm nostalgic for bullets

lasers just don't do it for me

it cauterizes the wound and barely has any feedback

i need the gory collateral as the bullet rips through flesh

BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[tall torrent]

It’s funny because bullets usually have worse gore than lasers in this game

[radiant chasm]

nah

my fuckin agri brauto, rips things apart

[tall torrent]

I don’t think braced autoguns even have dismemberment?

[thin stone]

Guys what perks and blessings do you want for Sapper Shovel 7?

And what stats?

[tall torrent]

Carapace + flak
Uncanny + limbsplitter

Focus on first target, penetration and dmg, get as high as possible

Mobility 51% or higher

[thin stone]

What about defenses?

[weak torrent]

I really liked the las-guns seen in https://youtu.be/e-UifdRoC8I in my opinion, they have more feedback

[tall torrent]

Not as useful, but it’s nice if you have high roll

[thin stone]

I got

• 77 DMG
• 80 pen
• 76 mobility
• 80 first Target
• 58 defenses

[tall torrent]

Prioritize first target, penetration and dmg
Especially first target

[thin stone]

25 flak and 20 carapace

4 tier Uncanny

[terse idol]

Damn that is cool

But holy hell the trailer plays

SO much slower

Than what we got

[thin stone]

@tall torrent what to do if I don't have limbsplitter yet

[tall torrent]

Thrust

[thin stone]

What If I don't have that either lmao