If u had to play MG12 I’d recommend opening salvo + ghost
#veteran-class
tall torrent
astral blade
onslaught works with
winter grove
If u had to play MG12 I’d recommend opening salvo + ghost
Opening salvo?
midnight totem
I use the Endless Conflict top 30 crystal conflict title
Because I am a pvp clown
astral blade
And recon6d
good to know
winter grove
For 1 tap breakpoints
oh shit fr?
jaunty merlin
hearty panther
god i want shotguns for Psyker
astral blade
ahhh yes the full auto mod
tall torrent
oh shit fr?
You can 1 tap both gunners & both flamers on MG12 without exe stance and without absurd talent investments
You need:
Opening salvo
Marksman’s focus (keystone)
Marksman (ability modifier)
Rending strikes
Precision strikes
Superiority complex
astral blade
seriously what do people have against mods
tall torrent
Marksman makes it so whenever you use VoC u have 10s where 1 taps work
Marksman’s focus helps with extra consistency whenever opening salvo is not up
midnight totem
That's nice
tall torrent
Opening salvo gives u 1 taps without marksman’s focus stacks so you almost always have access to the 1 tap breakpoints
Just be aware that MG12 is still not good even with this kind of set-up
Mainly because whenever you land a bodyshot your TTK just goes into shadow realm
jaunty merlin
ahhh yes the full auto mod
Never really used that mod tbh.
tall torrent
And you’re not going to hit headshots 100% the time
winter grove
Yeah I am doing it mainly for the lasgun collection
jaunty merlin
The painful part is that the machine god blessed me with the wrong class. My vet would be drooling over this
tall torrent
The painful part is that the machine god blessed me with the wrong class. My vet...
That’s not a rly good roll tho
Opening salvo isn’t great for headhunter autoguns
midnight totem
It's fun on the v7
tall torrent
And u have 2 basically dead perks
midnight totem
It's workable. Reroll both perks
jaunty merlin
Wait, that's not the sniper autogun isn't it?
somber axle
the adventurer plate decor is what I think is worth it tbh
tall torrent
Both are headhunter autoguns?
hearty panther
III = three shot, IX = two shot, VII = one shot
midnight totem
BRICK IT
somber axle
midnight totem
Hadron like
jaunty merlin
Well sadly I wasted my platsteel for the other gun I mistook for. Soooooo time for a mission
muted knot
somber axle
dude it's like prophecy
I was talking about how smoke grenades are good in the right hands
then ran into a plasma vet who spammed them AT ANY AND EVERY MOMENT
dude literally would drop his smokes on Crushers and poxwalkers LMFAO
the funniest was watching him drop his smokes
as a poxburster was walking up to him
not see the poxburster through the smoke
and eat shit
quickplay is magical for how funny it is
midnight totem
He took a calculated risk
sleek garden
this is infuriating
i have to spectate my teammates after i got ledged
my zealot teammate who seems to be built to fight hordes has a chainaxe
he is only using light attacks
mid horde
he's using the green variant
the one that does sticky single target lights
he is only doing light attacks mid horde
also he just hipfired his bolter at a poxburster running directly at him and missed every shot
and now he just turned and ran when the ogryn who was also awful went down and got killed by a single poxwalker who was walking as fast as him
im so embarrassed i died before they did
our ogryn was doing some wacky thing where he pushed a bunch of enemies to activate the push taunt and then planted his shield
and then he would get killed by flamers and gunners from behind
uncut pebble
I ran a damnation match with my buddy (their first damnation) and there was a veteran in there that, in this order:
- threw down a health kit (at half health, no one else was wounded at all)
- completely ignored it and hit our only medicae shot
- INSTANTLY, and I kid you not, INSTANTLY died the moment he got in melee with a chaos spawn (it chucked him off the map)
midnight totem
Just quick play things
uncut pebble
This further reinforces my theory that at least 50% of darktide players play the game using their feet on the controller or keyboard instead of their hands.
Also had one the other day die in that one mission in the desert you have to shut off the broadcasts on. He didn't wait for the fan to stop spinning, stepped in it, died, and instantly dc'd.
Man couldn't handle the embarrassment.
winter grove
I love darktide
got my shit stomped by chaos spawn throwing me off the map and game decided that today's a laser party
radiant chasm
the one that does sticky single target lights
Oh nooo
Noo
Mk4 heavies and push attack do the horde clear oh no oh nooooo
balmy flume
I love darktide
Looks like a heretic disco
somber axle
Also had one the other day die in that one mission in the desert you have to shu...
I've had to warn returning friends because when I first backed into it post Path of Redemption update I died instantly and my body fell under the map so I thought it was a glitch
I only found out later that the fans no longer have wall collission and are now deathblades that kill anything that touch them LOL
jaunty merlin
last parcel
I only found out later that the fans no longer have wall collission and are now ...
push them in
somber axle
push them in
if only we had player collission in this game 
last parcel
that's what bursters are for
umbral scaffold
This further reinforces my theory that at least 50% of darktide players play the...
No the veteran was from france
somber axle
weird question
if the Veteran voices were from a specific Guard Regiment
where would you place them?
Loose Cannon sounds too talkative, sassy and silly for Krieg as an example but I could see them as Catachan
Cutthroat is kinda obvious but I'll ignore that one
Professional could be like Armageddon Steel Legion
fresh saddle
if the Veteran voices were from a specific Guard Regiment
apart from the Cutthroat, i thought the idea of them was they were just from across the Moebian Sector
somber axle
the origin planets you can choose make sense for that yeah
but where would you think the personalities fit best?
coral willow
all of them from cadian but only the cutthroat has ptsd cause he's a dic-
somber axle
they all kinda fit Cadian too yeah
fresh saddle
but where would _you_ think the personalities fit best?
hard to say, they're kind of "generic" in a way? not as in boring, but as in, they can really fit almost any Guard regiment, while also not really fitting the mold for most of the established ones
Like if you told me they were all Cadians, I could believe it
But they're definitely not Kriegers or Vostroyans, or anything with really strong personalities
hexed cliff
they’re from the 1st cockney guard of planet tesco
somber axle
I could see Professional fitting as maybe Scintillian Fusiliers or Elysians for how well versed they are in their codes
fresh saddle
yeah i suppose those could fit
last parcel
need to join the mordians
the order is to be dripped out and good soldiers follow orders
coral willow
looks like a heavy sword
midnight totem
can use a devil's claw
midnight totem
only one character can use the bolt pistol for me
(and yes I know, in universe Cain only uses a laspistol)
somber axle
this sword is REALLY close
just doesn't have the little bit embedded along the blade close to the hilt
somber axle
muted knot
I for one am rocking my gaunt outfit as soon as the boltpistol drops
somber axle
IT'S HIM
I stole this from an older post, I've never actually seen him in quickplay LMFAO
coral willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1246604292522250380/i...
hope one day they resell this
somber axle
I for one am rocking my gaunt outfit as soon as the boltpistol drops
we need a cutlass skin for the Catachan swords
coral willow
they should just make heavy swords and shovels interchangable with vet/zealot
only zealot gets the good shit? well duh
midnight totem
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1246604292522250380/i...
is that max height? doesn't look like max height
somber axle
I have no idea
astral blade
.....female space marines the fuck is this shit
last parcel
.....female space marines the fuck is this shit
astral blade
https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160
oh dont worry just some woke nonsense im reading up on
last parcel
oh dont worry just some woke nonsense im reading up on
ok very interesting
anyways do we think i could use a recon as a vibrating massage device
somber axle
by lore I think lasguns have no recoil so probably not?
but by Darktide standards because of dumb playtesters yes
vernal sundial
???? what is this dude yapping about
last parcel
yeah but if they add the fake recoil for the autogun guardsmen i think it could work
coral willow
but by Darktide standards because of dumb playtesters yes
didnt fatshark specifically state that they added recoil cause it made it boring
somber axle
I believe the phrase they used was that playtesters did not enjoy the lasguns being without recoil
which I think is dumb
astral blade
???? what is this dude yapping about
dont worry about me just reading up on what i missed in terms of 40k
astral blade
news and what not
coral willow
which I think is dumb
accatran already has 0 recoil dont it
last parcel
guys i burnt my 7k plasteel on shockmaul
how's the new update
coral willow
grinding more walls
somber axle
accatran already has 0 recoil dont it
kinda but not really
astral blade
hold up when did they add a new chainsword?
somber axle
it is pretty pin-point accurate anyway though so like
as long as it isn't under suppression
last parcel
astral blade
question what is this sapper shovel?
last parcel
astral blade
dumb question that is i meant the mk 3 and mk 7 shovels
is there something special about them?
last parcel
dumb question that is i meant the mk 3 and mk 7 shovels
it's 3 and 7. they're shovels that you can fold activate a high damage single target attack
somber axle
the fold shovels are a dream
astral blade
it's 3 and 7. they're shovels that you can fold activate a high damage single ta...
what about the chainsword?
anything new there?
somber axle
thrust and uncanny strike, carapace perk, you 1HKO Crushers
last parcel
what about the chainsword?
the new one is just for lightspamming. simple to use with fast horde clear
coral willow
what about the chainsword?
light has more horizontal swings and heavys are all overheads
does more damage with special heavy as well
coral willow
is there something special about them?
instead of the lunge forward thing it had it now has a turn into pickaxe button that deals high damage to singular target and goes through carapace
mk7 gets the original shovi heavy but slower special heavy
mk3 has way faster special heavy
last parcel
is there something special about them?
and if you want an example of the mk7 folded attack
https://streamable.com/bi2f94
midnight totem
Get shoveled Chaos scum
tribal tangle
Just got this accidently playing with a new player in heresy lol
uncut pebble
I am not ashamed to say that I cheesed that penance.
drowsy aspen
What does cheese entail? Just got this one today
uncut pebble
make melee focused game
punish veterans by giving them a penance that forces them to stay out of melee as much as possible
uncut pebble
Basically, you hit the bell in the Karnak Twins mission, then jump off to your death. Your 3 teammates then teleport and kill the Twins.
It's unbelievably easy.
No fuss, no muss, penance done and dusted.
tribal tangle
i haven't really actively worked for any penances but the auric titles
uncut pebble
It was bothering me because I couldn't get the helmet from for the emperor 3.
That's the only reason I did it like that.
tribal tangle
lot of people cheesing those titles too lol
uncut pebble
Nah I had already had everything else fair and square.
tribal tangle
cheesing that is whatever, but if you're gonna cheese it at least be able to play like it
uncut pebble
On overwatch is just a really stupid penance.
last parcel
That's the only reason I did it like that.
i think the other reason is you a bitch
uncut pebble
I mean that's valid.
drowsy aspen
I just did my first Malice game in months with tricked out gear and the shout
tribal tangle
just shout over and over
drowsy aspen
Got it 2nd try
tribal tangle
i was even using a shovel to clear
drowsy aspen
...Admittedly there were some close calls, but largely because I couldn't help myself and did a little melee
uncut pebble
I was initially trying to do it by running a helbore and just staying out of fights, but I kept getting into lobbies where people were horrible at clearing trash.
vernal sundial
i dont care if people cheese penances, as long as they don’t ruin games for other people (exemplar/storm survivor)
uncut pebble
Now my problem is trying to do shocking stuff for zealout and getting into lobbies with people that are only good at clearing trash.
tribal tangle
i heard people had problems with the loner one, another one i got accidently
uncut pebble
I just can't keep a horde of 40 enemies alive for 13 seconds.
My teammates randomly decide that yes, they will throw four shredders into that group that I'm very clearly not struggling with.
somber axle
ok I can see why people love the Rashad if it's better than this goofy tac axe I got
LOL
I decided to try it because why not and like it mulches hordes
Rashad Combat Axe Mk II just being a better version sounds nice
somber axle
but I love the overhead on this axe
somber axle
Plasma vs Recon gaming
just makes it extra funny outdoing a plasma user as a recon main
LOL
last parcel
recon users can't kill themselves
i still don't know if this is a positive or negative
somber axle
there is no escape from the digital circus
paper brook
The Columnus MK V hasn't been nerfed has it?
odd sparrow
no its still good. It has been indirectly nerfed a little bit due to survivalist granting less ammo so you dont quite get infinite ammo anymore but its still an amazing weapon
gilded rock
astral blade
ive honestly missed the rushed of this game
last parcel
the cutoff 
astral blade
dont miss the trash cans that are teammates
gilded rock
the cutoff <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I promise that was not the word you think it was 😳
somber axle
for a second there I was terrified you found me until I saw I wasn't in the squad LOL
I was literally JUST in a mission like that
and had a Vet using a Recon Mk VIIa
last parcel
and had a Vet using a Recon Mk VIIa
you're the chaos spawn
somber axle
We even had to fight a Chaos Spawn at the end
somber axle
you're the chaos spawn
they can't catch me with their kraks
chaos clown does chaos dance
gilded rock
Oh nah this was a bit ago in a T3 maelstrom because I was playing with my low level friend B)
Sometimes it feels like enemies will do sentient things
somber axle
they're definitely smarter than they seem
gilded rock
Like why the chaos spawn suddenly 3x speed walk to the side for a split second? Who knows
He does 👁️👁️
last parcel
somber axle
last parcel
https://tenor.com/view/pb-dodgeball-dodgeball-dudes-dodge-aus-dodge-dodgeball-gi...
i was hoping there’d be another ball in the last frame
gilded rock
gilded rock
Enjoy the little things
somber axle
have you ever seen an entire squadron of shotgunners all pump and fire at the same time against one person?
gilded rock
have you ever seen an entire squadron of shotgunners all pump and fire at the sa...
Seen it?
I felt it 
gilded rock
last parcel
Also this time they just shot on my back with near silent audio
your teammates’ names
gilded rock
Oh yeah, I forgot that was also that match 
somber axle
LMFAO
gilded rock
sound warning
The bot dodging out of the way of the overhead he threaded into me is the icing on the cake
last parcel
divine punishment for recon
somber axle
the last second cut off scream LMFAO
supple stag
Crushed for using recon, good riddance
last parcel
i got the rope right here
somber axle
do you think they'll ever do more funny animations for the dropship ride when you start a match
gilded rock
I hope so
supple stag
gilded rock
The ogryn counting barely to 3 and then starting over is perfect
somber axle
it's nice they added some voiced lines by the Zealot asking the Ogryn why they count
Ogryns just want to make sure they're all still there
gilded rock
Have you seen the new stuff with Sefoni?
I got her as a mission leader earlier I was like wtf
somber axle
yeah it's neat seeing the new dialogue
last parcel
have patience oska
gilded rock
She's just being straight up evil
wanton dawn
Nah, she can fix them
languid terrace
Does Thunderous works with chainaxe special?
junior needle
Does Thunderous works with chainaxe special?
If you mean it stacks faster from multihit, pretty sure it does
hybrid prawn
radiant chasm
terrible day to learn gunners don’t immediately stop firing
radiant chasm
Only that last shot did but it could have easily been a teammate they changed their lock on too
Yee cause while in stealth but before the shot that downed you, they were whiffing past your side
That’s my guess, just extremely unlucky
dreamy spade
I check behind me and there was no teammates 💀
radiant chasm
I check behind me and there was no teammates 💀
xavier is sprinting past
umbral scaffold
I can't beat the demons in ghosts and goblins resurrection 😦
lost cosmos
welp
umbral scaffold
guess it's time to build veteran again
lost cosmos
ye
umbral scaffold
oof
north raptor
She's just being straight up evil
isnt she slowly driving the guards in her room insane
coral willow
i mean wouldnt you go insane after looking at a floating naked woman in a tank 24/7
coral willow
How good dmg 10% rending for ranged weapon?
slightly less increase than elite +15% damage node on the left side, but its still quite a improvement and works for all units with flak/carapace
wise fossil
How good dmg 10% rending for ranged weapon?
That node is really only good if you're hitting a specific breakpoint. Bring it Down is a much better node that's right next to it
sturdy zephyr
That node is really only good if you're hitting a specific breakpoint. Bring it ...
Enlighten me please.
wise fossil
10% rending just isn't much at all. Rending does nothing to infested & unarmored, so it's not really comparable to flat extra damage.
Some weapons don't really need extra rending like chainaxes or the special on new shovels.
And the main thing you want rending for is Crushers anyway, and bring it down is a much larger bonus damage to that enemy
If you really want rending for use with an autogun or something, Onslaught in the right tree is a much better talent
And it also works with melee and ranged
gilded rock
Chord has an awful lot of breakpoints determined by that rending or some other small bump to damage xd
hybrid token
rotund shard
How do you get those stats?
midnight totem
10 percent rending is a little weak but it's much more convenient nodewise than onslaught on the right
somber axle
How do you get those stats?
Scoreboard mod
rotund shard
Thanks
hearty panther
i mean the real answer for rending is "it super depends"
the only way to know for sure is to go in the psyk and click nodes on and off as you kill stuff
somber axle
even if you and another person are using the same kind of weapon (like both of you using Helbore Mk II) your breakpoints will always be slightly different to someone else's based off your weapons stats, perks and blessings vs the other person's stats, perks and blessings
A weapon with 70% stopping power and 80% damage will be different to a weapon with 80% stopping power and 70% damage
hearty panther
there's also the rest of your tree
somber axle
yes
going down the left side of the tree gets you more than just Survivalist's Aura
there are two nodes for +5% ranged damage each
Longshot, Kill Zone, etc.
hearty panther
broadly we can say that 10% rending =/= 20% bring it down, that's about it
somber axle
pretty much yeah
hearty panther
if your weapon has dogshit or even 0 carapace damage, 20% isnt going to do anything, but rending will do literally infinitely more
midnight totem
Be me. Take both!
hearty panther
if it already does, then bring it down might be a better boost, but it isnt as broadly applied
you just learn this shit by testing it. which is very boring.
coral willow
10% rending just isn't much at all. Rending does nothing to infested & unarmored...
foldy shovis are good with rending actually, but yknow it has access to uncanny
wise fossil
foldy shovis are good with rending actually, but yknow it has access to uncanny
They don't really need it. The ADM on the folded hit is already very high
hearty panther
pretty much all my vet builds branch off from this as a base
junior needle
stacked t4 uncanny is 30% damage even at 100%
wise fossil
10 percent rending is a little weak but it's much more convenient nodewise than ...
That's fair depending on your build
coral willow
They don't really need it. The ADM on the folded hit is already very high
it is, but it with thrust is what separates a mk3 shovi oneshot crusher and a 2shot
if the shovis were on like zealot who can get their damage up even more than vet can i think it can solo-oneshot
but right now it requires the damage nodes + uncanny
unique sorrel
How good dmg 10% rending for ranged weapon?
negligible except against carapace and you'll probably want more than 10%
sturdy zephyr
Just wonder its skipable or a must take im using MGia/laspistol
coral willow
just think of it being +10% on flak(usually guns dont go 90%+ on flak unless its a plasma gun or bolter p sure) and really helps on carapace
any lasgun variants that isnt hellbore still suffers even with rending p sure, but dk
i'd get a mk3 shovi to deal with carapace probably
should do you good on flak but i'd stick to elite damage and ogryn/boss damage
rotund shard
Is it any good?
coral willow
fine
coral willow
dont use reload speed
rotund shard
This one
coral willow
even more fine
hearty panther
oh then yes lmao
hearty panther
truly though
midnight totem
Yeah the 2nd is much better lol
rotund shard
Okay, thank you very much
coral willow
i'd pick efficiency if lasguns wernt balanced around vet with shoktrooper
sturdy zephyr
this my skill tree 3stam x2 + tough all with 12%stam,30%regen
coral willow
or im memeing and/or using volley fire so the other blessing slot is kinda meh
sturdy zephyr
can i discard rending and put other skill that give much more use?
coral willow
redirect feels wierd
it def buffs
but needs to mark constantly
and kill as well
coral willow
i just never use that node
hearty panther
you should
coral willow
even though with 1 point i can get +20% damage on some fucker
hearty panther
it levels out the lows and highs of tagging keystone
coral willow
hearty panther
and also makes the highs higher
coral willow
i just use keystoneless vet 90% of the time
hearty panther
same but different
sturdy zephyr
keystoneless mean less button to press IMO espcially with focus target
coral willow
you always need to mark specials anyway
no extra input really
btw this is for agrapina braced where i use 2 damage blessings and then let the top of the tree reload for me
hearty panther
it's as good as it is boring and uninvolved
coral willow
i mean no other keystone really makes you involved
i guess psyker's are good with keystones
sturdy zephyr
i play with random using bracegun. look fun and really powerfull too\
idk whats buff he runs or talent
coral willow
sturdy zephyr
i should give a try.
coral willow
mk3 shovi cause this thing has no anti-armor and mk3 is like the best anti-armor aside from powerswords maybe
midnight totem
I run weapon specialist with everything braced auto
frank ocean
Yeah its kind of crazy how many points it has and none that are mutually exlusvie
Like Zealot's keystones also have 4-5 talents each, but you cant take them all
coral willow
zealot is 4-2-2
frank ocean
But really "X has too many points" can be said about Vet's tree as a whole lol
coral willow
zealot has more problem on the rigidity of his tree as a whole lol
hearty panther
yeah sure wep spec has a lot of points but theyre almost all trash/niche
trim steppe
mk3 shovi cause this thing has no anti-armor and mk3 is like the best anti-armor...
agri braced with onslaught does ok against crushers and maulers in a pinch. but yeah a shovel or whatevers a better bet
coral willow
onslaught takes too much point for you to spam away at crushers
trim steppe
ya
coral willow
maybe with columnus its viable but agrapina cant waste that much ammo
for emergency crusher disposal i did take rending strikes
frank ocean
I should try Weapon Specialist again, I used it for the Penance and haven't touched it since
coral willow
if you dont care about not losing your streak remove that and get the tagging node below
free 20% damage against anything you mark is really powerful even if i never use it
frank ocean
I went with Bring it Down personally
coral willow
the rending does decent damage to flak targets also(against flak its like 90% effectiveness compared to +15% elite damage, and it works on other enemies just than elites, like normal grunts or special with flak)
frank ocean
Since I also take Superiorty Complex
coral willow
it stacks so i went with both
frank ocean
Yeah
coral willow
rending strikes basically makes this into 99.20% constant
coral willow
i always take both nodes which is why i cant spend 2 millenia worth of points on melee tree
even if said melee tree is better than half the zealot's tree lmao
frank ocean
Thats me with the vet tree period
hearty panther
tbh you should just ditch your reload nodes
coral willow
cant, you die while reloading
i dont want to take both reload nodes
but its the best shit i came up
hearty panther
gotta lean into anim cancelling and the fact that the reloads are tiered
coral willow
also you cant do +32.5% power with 50% close damage
midnight totem
Right now I have two possible skill trees for my primary melee
coral willow
gotta lean into anim cancelling and the fact that the reloads are tiered
cant swapcancel with execstance
midnight totem
hearty panther
sprint cancel
midnight totem
Currently use the second one but God I wish I had an extra point for the first one
analog mural
If you die while reloading you should learn to melee
coral willow
sprint cancel
i swear i never get that right
coral willow
If you die while reloading you should learn to melee <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771883229...
exec stance
hearty panther
you gotta have the special sauce
the tism that makes u spend 30m in the psyk repeating a reload anim
analog mural
exec stance
Still no excuse, this is a primarily melee game
coral willow
whole gimmick is that i gun down everything with +25% power, +25% wp damage, +30% wp damage, +50% close range damage, 32.5% power, 20% ogryn/boss damage, 15% elite damage, and 10% rending
and to do that i have to cqc a exec stance which is really dangeous for me...
midnight totem
Get gud
midnight totem
Or, have an ogryn taunt for you or a psyker smite
unique sorrel
plas doesnt really need damage nodes in general
coral willow
pub moment
midnight totem
Plasma needs elite superiority
coral willow
plas doesnt really need damage nodes in general
eh giving it elite/ogryn damage is always good
terse idol
You do need enough damage to 1 tap gunners
coral willow
latter is especually useful against tanky ogryns and bosses
terse idol
latter is especually useful against tanky ogryns and bosses
I meeeann
unique sorrel
ws and elite are high impact damage nodes yeah
i think ws alone should be enough for gunners
rocky jacinth
how much time does reload canceling the boltgun save
hearty panther
like 40-50%~
coral willow
damn
unique sorrel
just saying plasma can evade some of those point taxes while being very powerful
rocky jacinth
no shit, that much?
coral willow
only reloadcancel i actively use are with plasma
hearty panther
coral willow
https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=ynA08KZXIvKAUlU2
holy fuck
rocky jacinth
I'm never using reload talents again
fresh wagon
what is the difference between damage and power? like on the skill tree some of the skills buff power or damage
coral willow
what is the difference between damage and power? like on the skill tree some of ...
power buff also buffs stuff like bullet penetration p sure like on agrapina it can pen more groaners
hearty panther
keep in mind that like
frank ocean
https://youtu.be/dvqnixyv0Pk?si=ynA08KZXIvKAUlU2
Wait what
hearty panther
reload speed 'always works'
fresh wagon
power buff also buffs stuff like bullet penetration p sure like on agrapina it c...
thank u
hearty panther
If you don't anim cancel you have no bonus, and if you fuck it up that's worse than doing nothing sometimes
so you get out of it what you put into it
but pretty much every gun can be reload canceled, some are much less worth executing than others
even the brautos can shave off about 800ms tops
coral willow
autogun series have like the most benefit since the mag insert/cocking anim can be canceled?
anyway i cant do it so i just use +50% reload speed
hearty panther
they have some of the least tbh lol
coral willow
they have some of the least tbh lol
huh
coral willow
im tired so eh do it later when i remember it like 30 days after
hearty panther
hell yea
well at that point id have a vid anyway
but ok so
reloads are tiered, right
coral willow
"i hate ragers" the sword
hearty panther
a lot of that anim is just ... animation. it isnt actually relevant to the reload process
and sprinting is the quickest way to shortcut between one phase to the next
coral willow
reloads are tiered, right
i know how it works on my plasma, though i dont sprint to cancel and i just swap weapons to cancel it
hearty panther
and the easiest indicator to follow is your ammo count
if it goes from # to 0, sprint
when it goes from 0 to #, sprint
BAG has three stages, mag out, mag in, cock
coral willow
i only do it to plasma and its quite unnessesary cause yknow
plasma
but it still good
hearty panther
mag out to mag in is the biggest leap
mag in to cock is not worth trying to skip
and then skip the cock anim as soon as it plays the sfx
can get the gun up and ready in about 2.4-5s from its 3.2s reload speed
more importantly to me tbh is just knowing reloads are tiered and being more deliberate about playing into them
terse idol
I mean the animation cancel on plasma is small when I'm thinking on it
hearty panther
if you run out of ammo, you can just press R. as long as you get through a part of the reload, its fine
you switch off whenever you want and back whenever you can
it will progress
XStance is an exception since yeah, you cant maintain it if you swap
but outside of that (so, all other times), it's something you should be taking advantage of
coral willow
i do like the partial reload mechanics
really good thing they implemented in darktide
coral willow
vermintide reload
coral willow
dont imagine cause helldivers has that 1 gun without a partial reload
hearty panther
dipping and dodging for 9 whole seconds and if you ever fucked it up you had to start it all over again
terse idol
Thank God for sectioned reloads
coral willow
dipping and dodging for 9 whole seconds and if you ever fucked it up you had to ...
some support weapons in helldivers do this p sure
has to sit to reload and if you get out of reload start the 5 second reload process all over even if you were just putting the round inside the chamber, nope magic
very fun
hearty panther
helldivers 2 still janky with their reloads
terse idol
It's only a few
hearty panther
i havent played in two months
coral willow
i havent played in two months
im scared to go back lol
coral willow
And also rockets getting deleted
fun
terse idol
It's probably best to wait for the next patch cycle
hearty panther
i know the reloaded > shoots only one bullet > reload again is still aroubd
coral willow
helldivers is good but it doesnt give me melee satisfaction
hearty panther
just got bored of the game tbh, not hard enough/lacks tension
coral willow
cant slam my hammer on a boss's face disintegrating it
hearty panther
having 20 lives sorta sucked the magic of the first one out
terse idol
I think the first few months were cool but
hearty panther
where just like in DT a single mistake can domino into an immediate mission loss
terse idol
It just, is a video game again
coral willow
It's not that deep
its basic that is well designed with shitty balancing, i think its great tbh
hearty panther
oh great game tbh
terse idol
Like headshot damage multiplier
hearty panther
i would still only ever recommend it
terse idol
For helldivers
hearty panther
im just done is all
terse idol
Oh for sure
coral willow
having 20 lives sorta sucked the magic of the first one out
its all fun and game until itticks down to and everyone has to spawn in 2min intervals
coral willow
Like headshot damage multiplier
feels like limb just exists
its like that one minecraft mod that gives limb health
skeletons just aim for the head so basically your health is like 1/5 now
fun
orchid hemlock
not amazing distribution but
trim steppe
can you hit the 1-shot bp on both bruisers with 62 finesse?
Prolly once you get a few stacks of HT...
tall torrent
can you hit the 1-shot bp on both bruisers with 62 finesse?
It can
gilded rock
What does sustained fire even do for the plethora of full auto weapons it's on 
Just boosts the third and fourth shot and restarts the counter?
tall torrent
What does sustained fire even do for the plethora of full auto weapons it's on <...
It boosts 2nd, 3rd and 4th shots
junior needle
Might be the 2/3/4 on some
junior needle
Good to see I wasn't misremembering it.
gilded rock
For Columnus V it says third and fourth shot
junior needle
It's important to note
gilded rock
But does it restart the counter after the fourth shot?
tall torrent
Yes, in-game tooltip is wrong
junior needle
Fatfish descriptions are not reliable
tall torrent
It’s 2nd~4th shots
tall torrent
But does it restart the counter after the fourth shot?
You need to wait for recoil/hipfire spread to reset
junior needle
A salvo is any period of firing between doing that
If you fire your entire mag nonstop, that's a salvo
gilded rock
You need to wait for recoil/hipfire spread to reset
"Sustained fire" is a pretty bad name for something that encourages you to not sustain fire
junior needle
So is firing one shot and stopping
gilded rock
Thanks for the clarification
tall torrent
@faint beacon I got a friend who’s low lvl
tall torrent
Oh u can prob go solo then
faint beacon
Gotcha
tall torrent
I have to play low difficulty with him
cosmic stump
faint beacon
Ordo farming as well
rare time where I ran out of Ordos and need them for builds
Lmao
somber axle
That looks pretty perfect to me
last parcel
-2% elite damage
scrap for dockets
gilded rock
not even worth dockets, delete the character
tall torrent
wasn't reciprocity broken?
Wdym broken
opaque kayak
I think it didn't proc correctly at some point.
idk it was a while ago so maybe I don't remember that correctly
junior needle
I think it didn't proc correctly at some point.
It has difficulties proccing on ranged fire
opaque kayak
How about on melee?
tall torrent
Oh no that’s just how “valid dodge” works in this game
junior needle
Melee is fine
It's not
This can be observed with the difference in proccing between reci and dnd
Gunners unloading on you won't proc reci but will proc dnd just fine
iirc only the very beginning when they start firing can work for reci
opaque kayak
interesting, thx
tall torrent
Gunners unloading on you won't proc reci but will proc dnd just fine
D&D does not work the same
D&D specifies different actions
Reciprocity is dodge only
tall torrent
“Valid dodge” related stuff just kinda isn’t the most consistent uptime-wise
junior needle
I wish to reiterate my disdain for obesefish
For making dumb mechanics when they have otherwise working ones right next to it
tall torrent
Riposte and second wind (zealot) are ok
Duellist is ok
Precog I’m rly not a fan of
And reciprocity is unironically most of the time beat out by CQKZ
junior needle
Riposte has a 6s duration
Which is pretty generous
The successful dodge seems to work fine in melee
tall torrent
It’s a lot better in melee
Especially since they made ragers better
And bulwark isn’t as cancerous as before
I still wouldn’t take it over CQKZ for most melee weapons
foggy rune
98% of gamblers give up before they win big
rocky jacinth
reci is functional vs ranged if you don't try to dodge the actual shots but just kind of push the button a lot while shooting
sleek garden
why do poxbursters seem to have a variable detonation range
arctic rampart
why do poxbursters seem to have a variable detonation range
if someone damages it, e.g. fire or stray bullet it bugs them out
junior needle
reci is functional vs ranged if you don't try to dodge the actual shots but just...
It's not just the timing but overall ability to be activated. It works better against regular shooters, but gunners/reapers can't activate it normally.
At least, last time myself and others checked it
rocky jacinth
well they can, but only when they start their firing cycle
which is very silly
it's a fine talent if you just sit out in the open and mash the dodge button
hearty panther
eh, that's just in the nature of what the game considers an attack
the alternative is you can freely and easily retrigger dodge stuff on every gunner all the time
like how zealot dodge toughness used to have no cooldown lol
rocky jacinth
i wouldn't drop it for anything since columnus crits from the boost let you tear through maulers like they're paper
tall torrent
well they can, but only when they start their firing cycle
Gunners & reapers don’t activate reciprocity at all
Shotgunners can
rocky jacinth
Gunners & reapers don’t activate reciprocity at all
i saw a video where they could though
just very inconsistently
coral willow
like how zealot dodge toughness used to have no cooldown lol
hehe
what was reciprocity again
rocky jacinth
as in not in response to the actual shots but the little animation they do when they start blasting
coral willow
certain dodge talents seemed to be blocked on ranged attack dodges
hearty panther
+crit for 8s after every successful dodge
coral willow
to prevent "cheese" or whatever
rocky jacinth
stacks up to 25% total
tall torrent
CQKZ is still better in the vast majority of situations
hearty panther
you have to dodge each shot in an enemy salvo for it to be a dodge
coral willow
funny that non-keystone talent is probably better than a zealot keystone
coral willow
you have to dodge each shot in an enemy salvo for it to be a dodge
aint that something, dont zealot's dosge not work this way and check for each shot instead
junior needle
well they can, but only when they start their firing cycle
Yep, that's why I said not normally
tall torrent
~~funny that non-keystone talent is probably better than a zealot keystone~~
Reciprocity? It’s not better than zealot’s blazing piety
hearty panther
there's a lot of asterisks under the hood
like your whole dodge has to execute and so does the whole enemy attack
tall torrent
Reciprocity asks u to ditch the usual horde control methods of “killing everything efficiently” in favour of setting up dodges to get better crit value depending on the weapons you have
junior needle
Piety has the benefit of being very consistent and your teammates can keep it topped off for you
Reci has the benefit of being a regular talent and not a keystone
coral willow
Reciprocity? It’s not better than zealot’s blazing piety
dont get me wrong piety is good
problem is the big nodes under melee tree in vet sometimes seem to outperform that of a zealot
tall torrent
Whereas CQKZ in some missions is up quite literally 90% the time during fights
rocky jacinth
nah man you just mash dodge all the time and ride the wave
tall torrent
Idk why you would waste dodge count when you don’t need to, but ig that’s playstyle difference
rocky jacinth
it's just there giving you comfortable back rubs, don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain
coral willow
as long as you're in melee range you're bound to dodge
like give that talent to zealot and they'd go nuts
midnight totem
lol setting up dodges as opposed to just dodging like an miac normally
hearty panther
yea like idk where this notion of having to be deliberate to set up reci comes from
rocky jacinth
yeah maybe, it's active more often than not for me, even if it's not at 5 stacks it's doing its part
tall torrent
dont get me wrong piety is good
problem is the big nodes under melee tree in vet...
I’d consider 10% melee dmg, agile engagement and desperado to be very strong picks for melee veteran but a lot of other things aren’t as amazing as they sound
hearty panther
you just do what you normally do, dont overthink it
coral willow
i mean some dont dodge at all cough cough powersword
hearty panther
if you find its rarely up from your regular gameplay then yeah it aint the blessing for your current build
rocky jacinth
desperado my beloved
coral willow
I’d consider 10% melee dmg, agile engagement and desperado to be very strong pic...
its not amazing yea i'd agree, but still quite decent picks imho
hearty panther
some weps have exceptional area control so enemies arent getting attacks off for you to dodge
that's an instance where reciprocity sucks
but tac axe? knife? incredible
sturdy zephyr
Melee attack speed really bring up the game
tall torrent
Yea tac axe & knife are just reciprocity go-to
rocky jacinth
yeah it's not super great with like combat axe where you can just mash
coral willow
or you have shitty dodge distance so you have to dodgeslide just to dodge shit
tall torrent
I wouldn’t play reciprocity on stuff like Rashad / PS6
hearty panther
and one dodge every 8 seconds to keep it stacked up is just
like comically generous
you could cut that down by half tbh
tall torrent
Especially considering CQKZ actually helps Rashad with a breakpoint or two
hearty panther
and it wouldnt change my opinion or use of it
coral willow
and one dodge every 8 seconds to keep it stacked up is just
you can proc full bonus by dodging out from a horde anyway p sure
rocky jacinth
but crits are one of the most powerful basic boosts after pure damage stacking since it does so much
coral willow
5 swings dodged as far as the games concerned
rocky jacinth
especially if your weapon has armor piercing
tall torrent
you can proc full bonus by dodging out from a horde anyway p sure
It can stack multiple times (from multiple attacks) in one dodge but there’s an internal cooldown between dodges that can activate it (same cooldown as dodge cooldown)
coral willow
also i wouldnt really take crits on rashad cause brutal momentum sucks with it
hearty panther
yeah its just smaller than the dodge toughness one
i have gotten three out of a single dodge
thats the most i ever personally saw
tall torrent
but crits are one of the most powerful basic boosts after pure damage stacking s...
Depends on the weapon
coral willow
cool. feel like ive got 4 at one point
hearty panther
yea im not often staring at it tho
coral willow
its bonus mark bonus~
rocky jacinth
Depends on the weapon
like i said, especially if your weapon pierces armor, if you already hit all the breakpoints from raw damage it's not that important
coral willow
and after the nerf the melee crit related talent kinda underperforms so
tall torrent
Exploit weakness needs to be great again
rocky jacinth
but you can have some cool armor clubbers with crits where they'd normally suck
coral willow
can it just be not limited to 10%
tall torrent
can it just be not limited to 10%
I think exploit weakness should work for ranged attacks tbh
coral willow
points at onslaught
tall torrent
Because it working for melee kind of never matters
coral willow
onslaught probably needs its own rework
tall torrent
*points at onslaught*
Onslaught is good for like 2 guns
coral willow
1
tall torrent
If exploit weakness worked for ranged it’d fit a lot more weapons
hearty panther
rending needs a rework lol
coral willow
it got one alreadyand it sucked i guess
tall torrent
The thing with exploit weakness is that
Most enemies don’t survive enough melee crits for the brittleness to matter
coral willow
wheres my zealot rending talent
tall torrent
wheres my zealot rending talent
Press F to use FotF
It’s better than all rending talents
coral willow
it is
until you dont use it
zealot really relies upon that skill
which feels bad to me lol
tall torrent
It’s not healthy but it is what it is
coral willow
zealot guide is simple
grab revanant
grab the 5 damage nodes across the chasm
pick fotf
spend like 1 leftover talent coin for a lolipop
tall torrent
Zealot has too many conditional things going on to formulate consistent breakpoints
And most zealot weapons kinda don’t care about consistent breakpoints that much
coral willow
man is a beast with rashad still so i dont think it matters much
coral willow
And most zealot weapons kinda don’t care about consistent breakpoints that much
cough hanmer
hats off to massocists who actually do oneshot crusis builds
tall torrent
*cough* hanmer
It’s very funny that thunder hammer takes the most investment & conditional activations to be able to 1 shot crushers without FotF while XV evicerator and Chainaxe can just do it casually
inland orchid
thunder hammer is one bonk meanwhile chain weapon go RRRRRRR for a period of time 
tall torrent
thunder hammer is one bonk meanwhile chain weapon go RRRRRRR for a period of tim...
Crucis has a self-stun that’s prob worse than chain weapons doing their rev attacks
inland orchid
both put u in a bad situation due to special button havin drawback function
would be funny to have a chainaxe fast as a blender or the thunder hammers with no kickback after landin blows but then it'd just be a "win button" of a melee
tall torrent
Chain weapons at last u can dodge cancel out of rev atk
Crucis’ self-stun prevents u from dodging or blocking
inland orchid
oh ya i forgot bout that, too used to the old chain specials
unique orchid
Big E just gave me a present
agile forge
Oh sweet brutal momentum 3
trim steppe
Big E just gave me a present
goddamn
agile forge
You need that
tall torrent
testing suppression
last parcel
tall torrent
laspistol and helbore actually aren't immune to suppression
they do get extra ADS sway when suppressed
it's generally very minimal though
shotgun, autopistol and plasma are completely unaffected by suppression
braced autoguns have sudden spread expansion when suppressed
headhunter & infantry autoguns have noticeably increased ADS sway when suppressed
infantry lasguns gain tremendous ADS sway when suppressed
oblique totem
https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-gif-19420426
I thought this might have been the new vet outfit at first and now I am sad and hurt.
oblique totem
Dare I dream?
tall torrent
the only veteran sets I'd prob consider getting from now on would be Tanith 1st and only
and lucifer black
everything else I kinda don't care abt
but those 2 are prob never coming to DT lol
oblique totem
We cannot have nice things. If we ever got them, then we would be happy and stop checking the shop everytime it rotates
sinful swallow
infantry lasguns gain tremendous ADS sway when suppressed
dont forget boltgun supression kicks you in the groin, deducts 10k plasteel from your account, and stubs your toe
unique orchid
this a decent knife?
unique orchid
unfortunate
faint beacon
I’ll still never forget that dumb Melee combo for deleting crushers
With the Mk6
Poke eyes approximately 3 times to instantly kill
uncut token
You get poked in the eyes three times by a knife and see how you feel
unique orchid
new knife
tall torrent
A bit better but precog isn’t that great for vet imo
unique orchid
i can change it off to mercy 4
gilded rock
dont forget boltgun supression kicks you in the groin, deducts 10k plasteel from...
The scab bruiser swiping a credit card between my cheeks to snatch plasteel
junior needle
i can change it off to mercy 4
Uncanny is considered a must have currently as well
faint beacon
You get poked in the eyes three times by a knife and see how you feel
Simply say no and nothing happens
Reminding me I seriously need to make a good MK6 Knife build cause I made my plasma build finally, I see why it can be fun
But not my cup of tea
shadow urchin
I've been really digging Knife Veteran as of late. The Emperor even gave me a silly knife and it still works surprisingly well!
I can only imagine how good it must be with a proper knife.
Maybe when they finally fix crafting I can give that a go
somber vault
building talents around knife is weird
what weapons do you guys reckon take well to skipping survivalist most?
unique orchid
most crit lasguns
somber axle
Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun
Any of the Helbores
Laspistols
If you stack crit and run Shock Trooper it makes them even sillier for ignoring ammo concerns
You can kinda ignore Surv Aura on the Vraks VII Headhunter Autogun too in my experience
As long as you're not spamming shots and being more controlled/precise you can make the bullets last surprisingly effectively through a match
hearty panther
is gud
somber axle
yeah that one's fine and will handle well
unique orchid
alright i now have desparado and serr blade
somber axle
Dum Dum is the one you want for sure, Infernus is something a lot of people think is weak/unnecessary but I personally really like Infernus on Laspistols over Ghost
unique orchid
this knife should serve well i assume
tall torrent
what weapons do you guys reckon take well to skipping survivalist most?
Anything that’s not plasma / agripinaa shotgun imo
somber vault
yea i was playing revolver with it earlier and even with a columnus psyker on my team it was mostly fine
unique orchid
two-shotting ragers with a block-attack into a heavy is pretty satisfying i shall admit
somber vault
this shit is gonna be so weird compared to how im used to playing
any other suggestions for this build
i wanted to squeak in the stammies on dodge but i dont think i can rationalize it
tall torrent
this shit is gonna be so weird compared to how im used to playing
Take grenade regen
somber vault
even with smokes?
tall torrent
Why would u ever skip out on grenade regen
somber vault
🤷♂️
torn moat
Grenade regen is a must have for every Vet build imo
tall torrent
At least get demo team tbh
somber axle
idk he has smokes
like of all the grenades I could see grenade regen being optional for that one
tall torrent
like of all the grenades I could see grenade regen being optional for that one
Not really optional
somber axle
no grenade tinkerer on smokes already makes them pretty limited as far as how much they can be used anyway
you're gonna laugh
but on my Krieg Helbore Mk II build I do not use Demo Stockpile
and sometimes I swap the point off Demo Team into Enhanced Target Priority
I don't really find I need the grenades that often
and a lot of the time they're mainly just there to underhand lob on approach to a downed team mate to get off a rescue
using shredders for the Helbore talent set up btw
tall torrent
Well if you’re already used to not having grenade regen because u dumped all talent points into making recon Lasgun better then yea
But generally speaking having grenade regen is not an optional pick for veteran
Even with smokes
somber axle
Nah I'm used to it on other builds like my Cadian set up using Kantrael Infantry Lasguns and my Catachan set up going all in on melee
I know how grenade regen feels and how it feels without
I have learned to live without it, and can appreciate a build with it too
It's just a different playstyle
It feels almost like you're encouraged to just drop nades at random just to keep the demo stockpile timer ticking
otherwise it's wasted value if you spend multiple minutes at a time not dropping anything
even sillier if you double up on stockpile and team for all the nade regen, and then end up barely using them LOL
tall torrent
Depends
somber axle
like I could drop a nade into a group of poxwalkers just so I know the timer is ticking on nade regen and I know I have extra in reserve
or I can just ignore that and use them for emergencies like creating distance when a pack of ragers/maulers suddenly round the corner and down a team mate
without tinkerer you need 2 shredders to clear a poxwalker horde anyway
and with tinkerer you need to let them bleed out
just doesn't feel worth most times unless you're lobbing grenades into very large packs of elites and then demo team becomes very attractive
but a lot of the time I'm ignoring stockpile entirely
just feels like another clock in my brain telling me to do something or the talent is being wasted
plus if you're not going into fire team aura you're eating a 2 point tax to cross into middle to get stockpile
1 to move from left/right into center, 1 more to get stockpile
I mostly just get stockpile on my Catachan build because I'm already moving into fire team from krak/tinkerer (because I love the theme of Catachan Guard seeing monstrosities and pulling out a melee weapon and grenade to tear it apart ezpz)
shadow urchin
The only nade regen I have on my knife build is Field Improv but that's more for my Ogryn and Zealot buddies who rock the really primo nades.
I feel bad if I don't run it
somber axle
Field Improv is really, really good
shadow urchin
My favorite perk.
somber axle
A very useful support talent
tall torrent
The only nade regen I have on my knife build is Field Improv but that's more for...
Knife usually scales best with frag grenades (which benefits most from double regen) due to uncanny strike boosting bleed DOT dmg
shadow urchin
Ah see, I don't run uncanny or bleed blessings other than Mercy, because vet gets a bleed on hit.
I go for raw burst damage
sinful swallow
Why not uncanny though
tall torrent
I go for raw burst damage
Then uncanny does that best
shadow urchin
precog and mercy is 120%
tall torrent
uncanny can 3 tap crusher
somber axle
i need help with unconventional veteran builds guys.
Unconventional is my middle name but unfortunately you have caught me at a bad time
I'm literally leaving for work right now
LOL
tall torrent
i need help with unconventional veteran builds guys.
what is unconventional to u
like, melee vet?
sinful swallow
What's a weird gun
sinful swallow
You're gonna take a graia brauto and you're gonna like it
north raptor
i have to kill 400 more things with krak grenades and i need like 80 new builds to survive
somber vault
is the melee shit in the bottom right side of the tree particularly important for knife?
tall torrent
is the melee shit in the bottom right side of the tree particularly important fo...
Reciprocity + Desperado
Always good pick for knife
somber vault
mmk
inland orchid
uncanny can 3 tap crusher
pov: local greets foreigner to London
terse idol
Ah see, I don't run uncanny or bleed blessings other than Mercy, because vet get...
Bleed talent is prettyy bad
shadow urchin
I just use it to proc Mercy Killer
I suppose if I swap MK to Uncanny I can get that talent back.
But is it worth getting uncanny if you don't run any bleed?
north raptor
YES
elder fiber
You always want uncanny
north raptor
it makes your weapons lightsabers
irrespective of build or weapon thats almost always valuable
unique orchid
for some reason the closer i get to "John Warhammer: the Emperor's Strongest Guardsman" the better i play lmao
im using a MG1a with a MK3 combat knife and having a time with it
north raptor
good for you! remember to bring your uplifting primer!
unique orchid
i'm also basically dressed as a loyalist Moebian, im legit just some guardsman they grabbed from nearby
tall torrent
I suppose if I swap MK to Uncanny I can get that talent back.
I’d drop precog for uncanny
Precog is prob the worst 2nd dmg blessing option for knife on veteran
slate hawk
Bleed talent is prettyy bad
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is that lizard supposed to be bleeding or something
slate hawk
It's a friendly head pat, good kobolds get headpats :3
north raptor
kobolds are cute.
slate hawk
Facts
faint beacon
Call me insane but I think Grenade Tinkerer with smokes is unironically good
torn moat
And you regen smoke every 60 seconds. So basically you can spend half the map in a smoke grenade
faint beacon
Literally walking around as a Pseudo Dome Psyker
torn moat
That said, I still think shredder is best grenade
slate hawk
faint beacon
Insane CC good for chipping specials
But I’ve fallen to enjoying smokes
Why I’m using it with my HHA
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somber vault
whats so funny
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whats so funny
my head got hunted
somber vault
:(
slate hawk
My existence
torn moat
Smoke is definitely underrated. But it fills a niche that is already covered if you have a Psker on the team.
faint beacon
My existence
Same
faint beacon
Smoke is definitely underrated. But it fills a niche that is already covered if ...
Me who insists on using it
I’ve actually had moments where it’s saved the team
Dome gets put down
Boss spawns pushes us out of it whilst a gunner squad is shooting
Spam out smokes
Problem solved
torn moat
Again, I'm not saying smoke is bad. But it is basically a Psyker dom without the toughness regen.
faint beacon
That’s really it’s only downside though it does deter certain disablers
Mainly hounds to name one
Forces trappers to get in your Face though I mean Dome just makes them waste the shot and they run off
somber vault
smokes by no means bad shredders are just really good and good in a way that really works with grenade gen
so the gap is large but its not cus smokes arent useful these days
faint beacon
It is the only Grenade that’s encouraged for Keystoneless
Grenadier builds to be exact
Don’t see many of them but they’re fucking cool
Twinned Blast with Shredders
Getting lucky tossing 6 Grenades lmao
somber axle
Again, I'm not saying smoke is bad. But it is basically a Psyker dom without the...
It's a Psyker dome that can't be broken and in high difficulty content with lots of gunners, reapers and other ranged enemies firing off the bubble does get popped
The bubble is nice until the AI director opens up a box of "Oops All Gunners" and the bubble is shredded cheese before the squad can clear them all out
oblique totem
That's my favorite box.
somber axle
I love that box too
Very fun shooting at so many things that shoot back
They feed my duck and dive
oblique totem
Suddenly cover is important and I am justified completely.
somber axle
Also the uptime on smoke grenades is way beyond what Psyker dome could ever dream of doing
oblique totem
Smoke grenades do hard counter the box of gunners, though.
somber axle
With literally just tinkerer and demo stockpile you can get 2 minutes and 30 seconds of constant smoke in an area, and then 30 seconds later, get another 30 seconds of smoke
It's like saying Infiltrate isn't worth looking at because Shroud exists on Zealot
It doesn't make any sense trying to talk down your own kit vs someone else's because they're coming from different contexts and do different things when you look at the nitty gritty
Psyker dome had no effect on a pack of pox hounds
Smoke grenades turn them stupid
They do different things and are both useful in different respects even if they can perform a similar role in one aspect
And you can't rely on a Psyker with dome existing in quickplay
But you can, as a Vet, ensure you have smoke cloud whenever you want by picking it
hearty panther
vacate over a large area like a squid to confuse your enemies
faint beacon
Smoke grenades turn them stupid
Same goes for Dome also, Mutants will still charge your ass in smoke, Dome makes them comically thud their head against a brick wall
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Smoke grenades turn them stupid
therefore smoke grenades have effect on me
somber axle
The only problem with smoke grenades is that they require someone who actually knows how to use them and a lot of Vets eat hot chip, lie and throw either shredder frags or krak so they have no idea what smoke grenades are even capable of
faint beacon
^ facts
somber axle
It's just easier to no thoughts head empty grab shredder or krak because they don't require you to learn how they work
Throw and forget
faint beacon
I will die on the hill of in defense of smokes even though it’s now agreed upon its viable
oblique totem
The only problem with smoke grenades is that they require someone who actually k...
That's me
somber axle
Smokes are very good in the right hands but an active hindrance in the wrong hands
oblique totem
Shredder grenades and an infinite supply of em