#veteran-class

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bitter turtle
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though its still a far cry from the past

somber axle
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Yeah because Savage/Ultimate content is a dance

bitter turtle
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SB DRK dungeon gameplay 😔

somber axle
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You do the exact steps required

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For things like Bozja (I miss red chocobo) and roulettes you get things turning spicy

bitter turtle
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that doesnt mean every job needs to play the exact same way as well

somber axle
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I loved Eureka too for how wild it got

bitter turtle
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it wasn't like that in the first place always

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it was just

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like i said

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honestly partly self inflicted

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1 job does 5% more dps than the other job

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insert whinging from some players

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so they just said

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"well everything is basically the same now, happy?"

somber axle
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I don't think the classes play the exact same way at all and that's a big exaggeration unless you shove every other ability off the board and look exclusively at basic rotation

bitter turtle
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well

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lets take tanks

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another example

somber axle
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yes compare DRK to WAR

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I'm ready

bitter turtle
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DRK used to have the only short CD mitigation (TBN)

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now every

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single

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one

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has one

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WAR used to have an on demand instant heavy miti GCD tool (inner beast)
removed because too hard to balance

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PLD used to have to rely on tempered will rather than having a gap closer

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removed because people complained it wasn't fair

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to be sure im not really blaming the devs

somber axle
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The difference between any WAR and any DRK in roulettes is night and day. Even a decent WAR makes a roulette feel like snoozeville because they just don't care about wall to wall pulls and self heal very effectively. Take a DRK instead and depending on the level range you have to literally babysit even a good DRK because they'll eat shit pretty fast compared to a WAR

bitter turtle
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it was largely all self inflicted by ppl

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i mean i already told you

somber axle
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I love PLD most for tanking though

bitter turtle
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dungeons is probably the only place where jobs are allowed to be a little more different with some tools available

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because nobody cares about roulette balance

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thank god for that kinda?

somber axle
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Mostly just because WAR feels like "I don't need my healer" but PLD goes "my group doesn't need my healer" and I've had funny moments clutching out near wipes by just using PLD cover and healing to keep the rest of the group alive after the healer ate shit

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Healer dead? No problem

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The DPS are my children and they will stay alive the whole fight

bitter turtle
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yeah that just never happens outside of dungeons

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is the problem

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such identity doesnt exist once you get past braindead dungeon content

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which is a real shame

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because the communtiy whinged it out of the game

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😔

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like

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cover used to be an extremely

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extremely powerful raid tool

somber axle
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Idk Savage healing with my friend was an experience. We both learned the ins and outs of WHM and SCH. She mained SCH but picked up WHM to learn what it is capable of. I main WHM but picked up SCH to learn it too. It helped us understand how to best work around each other's toolkit. And I gotta say if you think anything in WHM kit is anything like Seraph that's a weird stretch

bitter turtle
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but it "was too good" and now its just another gimmick

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well

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let me give my anecdote then

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i shouldn't be able to drop drk for 3+ years bc of hating the rework they got in shb

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and then recently

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in EW

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level it up to cap and purple parse on it to week 1 clear savage in 1 day

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because it plays

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the exact same

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as every other tank

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im not saying "omg im so good" genuinely

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its more like there's nothing to learn that's unique about it

somber axle
bitter turtle
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maybe a little more to optimize beccause i was orange parsing on PLD

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but like

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seriously? i havent touched it in 3 years and can just pick it up in a day because its so homogenized

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that's just how all of them tend to be like now

somber axle
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idk people are wild and do funny things

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I think I vaguely remember a friend telling me that a team of all tanks cleared current savage content together LMFAO

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the fact that it is even possible at all is hilarious

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some people just chase being maximum funny

bitter turtle
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people were doing that back in HW

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5 war 2 pld Alexander Prime

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but yeah

somber axle
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I loved Alexander tbh

bitter turtle
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idk

somber axle
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the story was surprisingly good

bitter turtle
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i think its hard for me to give you a pov if you started in SHB

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like

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just cleric stance

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is such a loss

somber axle
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I'm not sure you could make me understand tbh. It's like trying to describe colours to the blind. I can never truly know what you know

bitter turtle
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idk if you know what that skill is

somber axle
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I don't know what cleric stance is

bitter turtle
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used to be there was a "DPS" stance for healers

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but

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if you activate it

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it converts all your MND to INT

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so your heals

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do nothing

somber axle
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I am a modern WHM. All I know is cast Glare, eat hot chip and lie

bitter turtle
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so you had to juggle the stance while dpsing and healing

somber axle
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As a clown I feel a deep sense of sorrow for not getting the chance to juggle

bitter turtle
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😔

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yeah it was a very fun thing to play around

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but removed

somber axle
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As fun as class mechanics are

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Tbh I mostly play FF14 for the story, dress up and to see the next Hildebrand series

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I fucking adore Hildebrand and Nashu

bitter turtle
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that was my feeling since shb actually too

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i lost a lot of love for the gameplay (im sure you can tell lmao) but the story kept me going

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but with EW over

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idk

somber axle
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FF14 is the first game to actually get me into it enough to cosplay and go to a convention. Even WoW didn't get me to do that

bitter turtle
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feels like I can close the book on the game if the gameplay never grabs me again like it used to

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o nice

somber axle
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I want to go to the next Fanfest but dress up in my Ironworks Machinist glam

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Cid my beloved

bitter turtle
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another thing to mention

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just remembered lol

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you know

somber axle
bitter turtle
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bosses used to crit staregryn

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made healing a lot more fun

somber axle
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Cid and Nero are my fav never-married-but-somehow-still-divorced couple

bitter turtle
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and tanking lul

somber axle
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idk class mechanics are fun and all

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and I understand lamenting the homogenization of gameplay

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but the most memorable moments I've had in the game were doing an LB3 and saving a wipe during SHB Savage raiding and my group of friends pulling things together to push the kill

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story moments and gushing with friends in voice chat over theories on where things will go next

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helping each other do harder content to get new outfit pieces

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convincing my friends to do Eureka

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etc.

bitter turtle
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the sad thing is when you do those things with your friends and everyone realizes its just not like what it used to be 😔

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its hard to go backwards

somber axle
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most of my friends are WAY, WAY into FF14 housing and decoration

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there's a lot that we all love to do beyond just end game things

bitter turtle
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ye i mean that's fair

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but the combat gameplay, imo, is still the core of the game

somber axle
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Sidewinders?? REALLY?

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eat my entire ass Blizzard

bitter turtle
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it really wasn't cause im not exactly

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tired of the game

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its just like

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i remember needing to use

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certain skillsets

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that just aren't being challenged anymore?

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its hard to go backwards like i said

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something as simple as

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needing to pay attention to your co-tank's aggro bar on swaps

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was really enjoyable

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because shirk didnt exist

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now you dont need to communicate, think, or anything

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just press shirk

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just another small example, but an example

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just imagine dozens of those little things adding up

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and other ppl in your friend group also feeling negative about that

somber axle
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I miss Wrath and MoP era Hunter for old things the class used to do that it can't any longer. Pets used to have abilities and talent trees. Having a seagull named "Mineminemine" and then camping the gold mines in Arathi Basin as a Night Elf hunter in Shadowmeld with the seagull on aggressive stance with their disarm set to autocast made fights with rogues hilarious. Stampede having a glyph that would change every pet summoned to look like your main pet. I was basically just a walking Finding Nemo advertisement LMFAO

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I still played WoW and enjoyed it with friends even despite losing all those things

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I only quit WoW in Shadowlands because the game stopped being something I loved

bitter turtle
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i didnt play wow but i heard it went through a lot of the same problems in regards to this subject

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but eh

somber axle
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this is just one example

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WoW classes have changed SO MUCH over the years

bitter turtle
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unironically

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like

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if they literally just reverted

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jobs back to HW or SB

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i would resub

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rn

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lol

somber axle
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that's fair

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my entire friend group put together beach ready glams for Dawntrail

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I'm ready to eat tacos with G'raha

bitter turtle
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ok

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i know i might be crucified for this

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but

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i LIKE(d) graha

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and i kinda hate the tee hee eat stuff meme with him at this point

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and all the other

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flanderization

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with his character

somber axle
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I do not agree, but I understand

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Crystal Exarch was a different character

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He changed a LOT

bitter turtle
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yeah basically

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lol

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like i groaned slightly when the only thing he got to do in the trailer was eat a taco

somber axle
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He does still have a bit of the Crystal Exarch in him like during the Final Days in Radz-at-Han when blasphemies were running rampant and the Satrap was just made into lunch he put his foot down and began ordering the people through the crisis. He still has that leader in him, but now he is who he always wanted to be. Not a leader of a city, not a squad leader or anything like that. He is our adventuring partner and friend

bitter turtle
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yes

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its just a shame

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he does it like

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twice

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in the entire expac

somber axle
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it was insane

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I was one of the people cheering

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I know that sounds like an exaggeration

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that so many people erupted into cheers for like 5 seconds every time a single character ate a taco

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it is reality

bitter turtle
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nah i dont really doubt it

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he's really popular

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after all

somber axle
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my fav group of cosplayers I ran into were a bunch of people dressed as ancients with a sign that said "The Final Days" were an inside job

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there were like 8 of the guys and one of them was ranting on a fake megaphone about how the Convocation were responsible

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I got a picture with them LOL

bitter turtle
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i stg

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if solution 9 has something to do with the ancients again

somber axle
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Allagans

bitter turtle
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that

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would actually be even worse

somber axle
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LMFAO

bitter turtle
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i've had enough

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allagans

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for a lifetime

somber axle
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I think they've finished the story of Ancients, Allagans, etc.

bitter turtle
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yeah

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i sure hope so

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lol

somber axle
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They said they're closing the book on the final chapter with Endwalker

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Dawntrail is the start of something new

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but like

bitter turtle
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that's the thing

somber axle
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temper expectations

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ARR was also the start of something new

bitter turtle
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they also told us the post MSQ for EW would be fun adventures and treasure hunting

somber axle
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don't expect SHB/EW level story threads tying together in crazy ways

bitter turtle
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and then it was muh golbez

somber axle
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ok but like

bitter turtle
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got the fun adventures for like

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3 cutscenes

somber axle
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they literally put in a scene with Estinien shirtless and sweaty

bitter turtle
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and im probably being generous

somber axle
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a unique model just for him

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they know what they're doing for the "fun adventures" part of things

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LOL

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tbh I'm just excited that Krile will start to get more of a role for story

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she's been such a background character

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even Tataru has had a lot of time to shine

bitter turtle
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ryne and gaia being a major part of msq when

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ill resub forever if they're confirmed gay

somber axle
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they appeared BRIEFLY if you did their raid series

bitter turtle
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ball is in your court yoship

somber axle
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LOL

bitter turtle
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better get confirmed in eden ulti

somber axle
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their relationship is pretty cute but they literally went on a coffee date and enjoyed coffee biscuits together

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so idk how much more obvious they can make it that they're together

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other than like forced kiss scene

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and tbh I'm not really of the mind that you need a kiss to prove a relationship in media

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physical intimacy is just one facet of a relationship

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there's so much more and many of those other things are way more important

bitter turtle
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im just asking for confirmation is all

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you get real tired of "symbolic" and "metaphorical" indications when you read a lot of jp gay media

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since it's a very convenient excuse to be cowards

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see: Gundam

somber axle
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I'm kinda hoping that all the set up for the Thirteenth gets a payout down the road. We've done a LOT for that place between the SHB role quests with the Shadowkeeper, the funny trial series with Unukalhai, Zero and Golbez, etc.

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I want them to do something funny with Nero just because he had the one fucked up moment in the World of Darkness

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there's so much potential there but they definitely know players are tired of that stuff and want to move on

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before retouching on old threads

bitter turtle
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i think i would have been more open to the idea if it wasn't framed as another "someone is attempting to end the world :^)" plot

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like if we were just

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idk

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reconstruction agents

somber axle
# bitter turtle since it's a very convenient excuse to be cowards

Sailor Moon literally had a lesbian relationship and then when the show was adapted to the US the people behind bringing it here decided to translate it into English by making that lesbian relationship into a family relationship between cousins, only they didn't change ANY of the gay undertones so it just became incestuous too

bitter turtle
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yeah i know

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im very

somber axle
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I laugh

bitter turtle
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very familiar with this entire subject and the history of it lol

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but yeah

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totally how cousins act

somber axle
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in some parts of the US this is accurate

last parcel
somber axle
last parcel
bitter turtle
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every year i make a trip to Japan to spend a few thousand USD to support yuri artists and writers and come home practically smuggling it past the airline weight limits KEKW_ogryn

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so im totally serious

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if ryne/gaia confirmed

somber axle
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I'd love to make a visit to Japan

bitter turtle
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will resub

somber axle
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one day

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it is on the list of places to go

bitter turtle
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do it sooner than later

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the yen

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is extremely weak rn

somber axle
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I cannot currently as I have some very important trips to do this year

bitter turtle
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😔

midnight totem
somber axle
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Visiting family elsewhere in the US, also hosting a big get together between online friends here in Vegas

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my PTO is already mostly reserved for other things

midnight totem
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Estinien shippers: NOOOO! Me, a simp for Zero: YESSSS!

bitter turtle
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my SO and I always make time for it after christmas

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rush to family gathering

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rush back home

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rush to airport

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lol

somber axle
# midnight totem Zero: Should I strip too?

Zero is fantastic but I had a hard time enjoying Zero because she looks almost exactly like my ex's character and my break up happened too close to Endwalker so I was still touchy LOL

midnight totem
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Big oof

somber axle
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loved her story but wow it was hard not to think of my ex when I saw that character

midnight totem
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awkward

somber axle
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ok but also

midnight totem
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Thankfully there's only one thing in FFXIV that reminds me of my ex

somber axle
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Estinien being an option to show up at your door in the middle of the night in Sharlayan

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out of armour

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in a shirt showing off his chest

midnight totem
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Zeromus's black hole ability

somber axle
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Yoshi P knows that Estinien has a very rabid fanbase that loves him

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he knows what he's doing

midnight totem
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anyway, I haven't played all day. Who's up to game

somber axle
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one day I may stop being sneaky and take you up on the offer but for now I hide in quickplay

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the dumb bet I made has me nervous for being recognized LOL

bitter turtle
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you made a bet? 🤔

midnight totem
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really GIPHY you couldn't give me one with the whole quote, had to break it up.

mental cloud
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🤣

midnight totem
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I doubt I'll see you in quickplay anyway. I'm East Coast

oblique totem
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What new horror are we discussing today?

nimble kayak
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Hello veteran players. I am new to vet but I have a question. I know running purely gun vet is like... super unoptimal and bad so is there a way to run PRIMARILY gun vet without gimping myself?

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basically just... using gun more than melee without being like ONLY gun.

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sorta thing

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Stuff that leans into that

bitter turtle
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you can play mostly gun

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there's nothing wrong with that

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you just have to pick a gun that allows it

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dont try to do it with revolver or something

nimble kayak
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is it just because playing PURE gunvet is bad?

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and because of the whole ammo thing I assume but eh.

bitter turtle
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but melee vet is stronge rthan gun vet yes

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but if you want to play a gun focused build

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you won't be trolling and running out of ammo if you pick the right gun

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and your gun/melee dmg will still be skewed in favor of gun quite heavily

nimble kayak
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and basically just bringing down your team.

bitter turtle
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it can be

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if you try to do gun only revolver vet

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anyway

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what is your question specifically

nimble kayak
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ah gotcha.

bitter turtle
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i dont feel like debating our hypothetical dude that told you you're trolling through your account

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i'd rather just tell you what you wanna know

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lol

nimble kayak
bitter turtle
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so

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any gun heavy build will probably have few melee talents

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a lot of vet melees want some melee talent involved

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if you can take desperado and recipocrity for example you can generally run knife freely

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but

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assuming you can take

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absolutely

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nothing

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i strongly suggest Chainsword Mk4

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Bloodletter/Savage sweep is how i'd roll it

nimble kayak
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I'll definitely take something.

oblique totem
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I play mostly gun.

nimble kayak
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So.

bitter turtle
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lets you 1tap bulwarks and maulers and still have a high horde clear time

nimble kayak
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dw about that.

bitter turtle
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ok

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then it depend son what talents you take

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tbh

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what talents you can afford to take

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on your melee

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depends more on your gun

oblique totem
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Autogun wipes out everyone to specials and melee for monstrosities

bitter turtle
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as for a gun that can shoot for a LONG time

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well

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shocktrooper Helbore or ilas MG4 effectively have infinite ammo

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among autoguns

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IAGs and Brautos can definitely lean heavy into their guns without running out of ammo too much

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Vraks 7 is also great if you want to just hang back and play sniper

nimble kayak
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I do love the autoguns so. I run braced on my zealot.

bitter turtle
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just be aware its very feast or famine, you better hit heads

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its literally the difference between 2 shotting and 10 shotting some enemies

tall torrent
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Gun veteran is pretty simple

oblique totem
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Consider an infantry autogun instead. Less ammo but not by much and much more accurate

nimble kayak
bitter turtle
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well

tall torrent
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You don’t get as good melee performance and you either worry abt ammo on braced gun or lose 70% Dmg when you land bodyshot

bitter turtle
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stick to an IAG or brauto then imo

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but

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frankly

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if you want to play gun vet

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imo

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the best success youw ill find

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ts if you are good at headshotting

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i mean big surprise right?

tall torrent
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Veteran quite literally loses somewhere between 50~80% kill efficiency when you don’t hit headshot

nimble kayak
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I mean I can land headshots. I just don't like guns where landing headshots literally means you either succeed for your team or fail them.

oblique totem
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Click on heads (except for maulers)

nimble kayak
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I don't play snipers in any game for that reason

tall torrent
nimble kayak
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if you miss that shot you let down your team.

tall torrent
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There’s only like

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2 gun categories that don’t bother with headshots

nimble kayak
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... Y'know what? I'll just delete my vet and become a psyker ig.

oblique totem
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Veterans are called the sharpshooter class for a reason

nimble kayak
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Didn't level him yet anyway.

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So.

tall torrent
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Even plasma

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Is a headshot reliant weapon

nimble kayak
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... Ok you people are misunderstanding what I meant.

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I never said I CAN'T hit headshots.

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it's more-so weapons like sniper rifles.

tall torrent
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Well

nimble kayak
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where if I miss that one shot I get gutted.

tall torrent
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If every single gun loses 50~80% kill efficiency from not hitting headshot

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That’s still not gonna be particularly fun if you don’t enjoy the headshot only playstyle

nimble kayak
oblique totem
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Granted, I level my gun at head height and just lay on the trigger

nimble kayak
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I'm outta here then. Cya.

nimble kayak
oblique totem
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That's how I play.

nimble kayak
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If that's all I have to do I can do that.

tall torrent
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I mean, what else are u supposed to do

bitter turtle
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well

nimble kayak
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I just hate those precision and prediction focused weapons.

tall torrent
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Headshots are not that complicated

nimble kayak
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like sniper rifles.

bitter turtle
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i know you said you dont play snipers in other games

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but

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keep in mind

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i am fucking terrible

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at snipers

tall torrent
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Center crosshair on head height, click m1

bitter turtle
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in pvp shooters

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but this is not a pvp shooter

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the enemies just stand there lol

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they dont try to strafe or trip you up or move erratically

oblique totem
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Don't think of it as "if you miss this headshot, everyone dies "

bitter turtle
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its not that ahard to snipe

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imo at least

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and again

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im absolutely fucking terrible

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at sniper in pvp games

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dont watch me play sniper in tf2

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its horrible

tall torrent
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It’s more just that not hitting headshot = you need more shots to kill

oblique totem
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More like "it would easier for you if you at least tried to hit the head."

nimble kayak
tall torrent
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And for most guns that’s a lot more shots to kill

nimble kayak
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anyway my experience with PVE sniper is like

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MvM from TF2

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The scout bots zipping around

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snipers having aimbot

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y'know

tall torrent
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If you’re good enough at engineer’s warthog head clicking in DRG

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You’re fine

oblique totem
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Vets can be the sniper if they want, and if a team has a sniper, it's probably a vet

nimble kayak
tall torrent
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Then yea ur fine

bitter turtle
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you'll be fine then

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yeah

nimble kayak
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I'm also pretty good at using the M1K. Even tho it's not my weapon of choice. I prefer AISE, which is literally just an automatic sniper rifle.

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so.

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🤷‍♂️

tall torrent
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The problem is more like

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In this game, bodyshots punish u a lot more

bitter turtle
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it fires so fast

tall torrent
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In DRG u don’t lose that much Dmg from bodyshot

bitter turtle
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that you really arent punishe dfor missing too hard

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as long as you follow up

tall torrent
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In DT you do lose a very noticeable amount of dmg on bodyshot

nimble kayak
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I just don't wanna be punished super hard for missing on occasion

bitter turtle
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you wont

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i mean

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how would you even

oblique totem
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In my experience, the vet helps out the most by thinning out hoards before they get close or melting elites and specialists before they can do any damage

bitter turtle
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this is not a pvcp shooter when you miss your headshot the other sniper just instantly deletes u or something

nimble kayak
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Also I run THammers on Zealot so honestly I should've had more confidence

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cause that thing is like

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headshots the weapon

tall torrent
oblique totem
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The key being that they can effectively engage at range.

nimble kayak
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you literally have to land headshots for max damage on bosses

tall torrent
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Thunder hammer has below avg finesse scaling

nimble kayak
tall torrent
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A weakspot reliant weapon is more like Rashad / knife

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Rashad doesn’t function when not hitting heads

terse idol
tall torrent
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Knife loses 80~90% dmg when not hitting heads

terse idol
#

I mean, with exe, mf and ilas you shoot to kill every single gunner in a map

nimble kayak
terse idol
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Which, in the grand scheme of things contributes alooot

nimble kayak
terse idol
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If your team doesn't have alot of range

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So yeah, high priority ranged targets

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And regular gunners

oblique totem
terse idol
#

(And you kinda throw krak or do something else if you see crushers)

nimble kayak
#

I wanna run a more gun centered build without fully committing so I'm not like a wet noodle up close.

tall torrent
#

Veteran usually has the best long range kill ability

bitter turtle
#

if you run chainsword mk4

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you will be fine

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at close range

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even with 0 melee investment

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its a good all rounder that doesnt need any melee talents

nimble kayak
#

XD

oblique totem
nimble kayak
#

But yeah it's mostly just I was worried AI are like

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harder to predict or annoying to hit headshots on.

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cause again, my experience is with TF2 MvM sniper, which is annoying for me

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due to how fast shit goes by your screen

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scouts

oblique totem
#

As a vet, I look out specifically for those situations and work to prevent them. Especially since Zealots have no idea what cover is.

tall torrent
terse idol
#

I will say don't run suppression for ilas play style because them flinching can make you miss shots but that's just me

nimble kayak
#

That is my response.

nimble kayak
#

yeah I probably won't.

tall torrent
#

Another issue with sharpshooter veteran is that

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You’re gonna get punished by ur own teammates for playing properly

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Because they’re gonna have bad positioning

nimble kayak
#

(Can you tell I'm a Zealot main yet?)

tall torrent
#

As in, if they’re directly in front of u, u cannot hit whatever is in front of them

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Even if they’re about to get trapped

nimble kayak
#

Oh that's annoying.

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I've had that happen so much even on Zealot and it's just.

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MOVE YOUR FAT ASS.

somber axle
# bitter turtle you made a bet? 🤔

Yeah it was a really dumb bet with a reward I shouldn't mention in case anyone else here decides to join the hunt. It's just a secret prize if someone finds me in quickplay or on the mourningstar

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Was stuck in a match and WHEW

tall torrent
#

Sharpshooter vet is generally not good enough rn and I hope FS make some changes about it

somber axle
#

quickplay is making me work hard to make a win happen

oblique totem
#

Bunch of enemies show up. What does the zealot do? Scream and run at them.
The ogryn? Either barrel through them or holding down the trigger on the heavy stubber, which is great for hoards but can't hit a specific target more than 20 feet out.
The psyker can hit a specific target but the attack takes ten goddamn seconds to charge up.

bitter turtle
#

10 seconds to charge

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just spam trauma

oblique totem
#

Or whatever, I don't play psyker

nimble kayak
#

LMAO.

tall torrent
nimble kayak
tall torrent
nimble kayak
tall torrent
#

It’s full exaggeration

oblique totem
#

I am relaying my experiences through quick plays, averages out

bitter turtle
#

its weaker than melee

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that being said

nimble kayak
bitter turtle
#

2 of my 5 loadouts are range focus

tall torrent
# nimble kayak Wait what's wrong with sharpshooter vet?

You don’t get as many talents to spec into making melee better, both of exe stance’s travel nodes are bad, exe stance turns off when you’re forced into melee, most guns don’t have enough cleave to go through teammates, and you don’t have as high toughness gain as hybrid or melee veteran

bitter turtle
#

its playable

terse idol
#

I mean kiinda
It depends on your team comp, if your team is balanced
It's okay
If your team is all close range like yeah sniper vet is good

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That's kinda the hard truth

tall torrent
#

If your team is all close range then hybrid outperforms sharpshooter

oblique totem
#

Do people do other stuff? Sure.
Do you really want to bet the game on someone not playing vet can handle the 20 gunner situation, though?

terse idol
nimble kayak
#

that was my question

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basically lean into gun but still sorta hybrid

terse idol
#

Me as I played with 2 psykers with shock staff and purge staff without wall, and 1 ogryn

tall torrent
terse idol
nimble kayak
oblique totem
#

If anyone here runs wall psyker, I love you.

tall torrent
nimble kayak
tall torrent
#

That basically removes your ability to spec into melee properly

nimble kayak
#

Ah.

bitter turtle
#

yes

nimble kayak
#

So basically Veteran is just... Zealot 2.

midnight totem
#

who the hell said gunvet sucks?

tall torrent
bitter turtle
#

you can just run chainsword mk4

nimble kayak
#

Cool.

bitter turtle
#

as i said earlier

nimble kayak
tall torrent
nimble kayak
#

might do that

oblique totem
#

Of course some people run vet with the auto pistol and knife with infiltrator.

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Pomni

somber axle
#

Hello

midnight totem
#

lmao

last parcel
somber axle
#

Yes I've run Shredder Autopistol and Knife with Infiltrate in Auric Damnation but I usually do Executioner's Stance LOL

oblique totem
midnight totem
#

Anyway, Gunvet's perfectly viable. You just have to be aware that, overall this is a game where you are vastly outnumbered and hordes of shit will come at you from all directions

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learning to survive in melee is paramount

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because there will be times when you may have to fend for yourself

somber axle
#

Guns with cleave or high fire rate perform well at clearing crowds but spraying into poxwalkers is usually a waste of both time and ammo

last parcel
oblique totem
#

To be clear, I don't think less of vet players who run those things. I just think they need a therapist

somber axle
#

Guns are best for dealing with specials/elites and the higher difficulty you go the more of those you'll see

tall torrent
#

Gun vet has a multitude of problems you need to adjust urself to play around

somber axle
last parcel
midnight totem
#

My favorite story is that of this knife zealot

tall torrent
#

Most of these problems either don’t exist or is largely irrelevant for melee or hybrid vet

midnight totem
#

so, he was playing with am aimhacking player

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who spun in circles and shot everything

oblique totem
#

I am legitimately concerned, please, you are loved

midnight totem
#

So, good for the aimhacker, right?

oblique totem
#

I mean, probably

midnight totem
#

the knife zealot ran ahead, and grabbed every bit of ammo he could on the map

somber axle
midnight totem
#

so when the aimhacker inevitably ran dry

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he just died in melee

oblique totem
midnight totem
#

probably not a true story but I can see it working out in an actual game

oblique totem
#

Which, again, I don't think less of them for

somber axle
#

I've seen a troll Zealot once but I'm 90% sure the dude got banned at some point for griefing

#

because they've vanished and no one speaks of them anymore

oblique totem
#

I just think they should seek professional help

somber axle
#

There was a Zealot who would join quickplay, sprint to the Daemonhost as fast as possible, aggro the Daemonhost and then disconnect

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forcing the Daemonhost to aggro to another player

north raptor
somber axle
#

if he rejoined and the group was still around he'd continue with the group until they found another Daemonhost

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rinse and repeat

agile forge
somber axle
#

it was kinda weird but it did mean a few groups I had killed Daemonhosts LOL

last parcel
#

last night a vet fell off the railing and died, then when it took too long for us to pick them back up they called us mentally disabled black people and left

somber axle
#

Helldivers 2 players are migrating to Darktide

midnight totem
#

Wow, thats rude

somber axle
#

we're in for some creatures

midnight totem
#

we could be mentally disabled white people too

somber axle
#

what about mentally disabled clown cats?

midnight totem
#

Banned

somber axle
#

gotta cover all the bases

midnight totem
#

Sorry, humans only

#

this is 40k

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agile forge
#

I mean I am a mentally disabled person I think depending on how you define it lmao

oblique totem
#

I was gonna make a joke about helldivers 2 but the clown beat me to it

agile forge
#

I'm on benefits because of autism anxiety and depression

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And I'm a Good Gamer

somber axle
agile forge
#

So fuck those arseholes

somber axle
# midnight totem Sorry, humans only

felinids exist and weirdly enough they've only been mentioned three times in the entirety of 40k: two from manuals and the last from Darktide LMFAO

agile forge
#

Loose cannon likes ferries confirmed

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Ferries

somber axle
#

there is no canonical appearance of them

agile forge
#

Ferries

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...

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Furries

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Thank you phone

#

Loose cannon boat enthusiast

somber axle
#

supposedly they were approved as an abhuman race to be adopted into the Imperium and are allies, but some see them as mutants and consider the appointment a mistake

#

so who knows?

agile forge
junior needle
midnight totem
#

No ... -checks list-... space elves, greenskins, tyranids, abominable AI, cats, space clown elves, blue alien people, krogans, turians, borgs, goa'uld, thermians, bugs, necrons, orks, zealots, or jawas allowed

somber axle
#

no no you misunderstand

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cats are allowed

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officially part of the Imperium

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but so rare that no one really knows what they look like LOL

midnight totem
#

(I know, I'm just joking)

somber axle
#

could literally just be humans with cat ears and you never know they're felinids because helmets stay on

north raptor
midnight totem
#

Please

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Get them the FFXIV miqote exception

north raptor
midnight totem
#

they must always have cat ears through the helmets

somber axle
north raptor
#

AGH

somber axle
#

my Vet when Felinids are added as a customization option

north raptor
#

GOD WHY IS FF14 LIKE THIS

somber axle
#

it's not LMFAO

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that's a mod

north raptor
#

phew

somber axle
#

they walk on 2 legs

#

not like that

somber axle
midnight totem
#

arguably it is like that because somebody modded it

north raptor
#

honestly i welcome death

somber axle
oblique totem
somber axle
north raptor
somber axle
#

I do not understand the hate but I do find it very funny

midnight totem
#

well you know what they say

oblique totem
#

I once had an only war game where there was a tank squad of felinids and their commander was a corgi wearing a commissar hat

midnight totem
#

He hates it, because he's attracted to it

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He fears being revealed

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Put a cat girl infront of him

oblique totem
#

It just barked at them whenever they got antsy

somber axle
#

Dude I've literally worn cat ears just to fuck with him LOL

#

but afaik he's not into that

midnight totem
#

haha

oblique totem
#

I once bought an ex a pair of cat ears that read brain waves and moved in reaction to them

north raptor
#

...otherwise known as "move randomly" lol

oblique totem
#

Also people quitting 40k because of lore changes is like a hiker giving up on hiking because it rained that day.

midnight totem
#

Btw, is there a way to play the prologue mission again for fun?

oblique totem
#

Make a new class?

agile forge
#

Tutorial: maelstrom edition

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I used to love redoing tutorials as a kid

#

Because new levels scared the shit outta me lmao

#

I don't know why

#

I'd reach my prog point in like dynamite headdy or something then be too scared to continue

bitter turtle
next spade
#

which is the good helbore? How is this one?

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bitter turtle
#

just swap carapace

next spade
#

maniac?

bitter turtle
#

yeah prob

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1 and 2 are the good ones

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3 has a shitty bayonet which unironically hurts the weapon a lot

next spade
#

blessings are optimal?

bitter turtle
#

yep

next spade
#

k nice ty

oblique totem
bitter turtle
#

ye

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]im laughing at them

#

lel

somber axle
# next spade which is the good helbore? How is this one?

They're all good in different ways imo

Helbore Mk I: Easiest to build for breakpoints, good bayonet thrust, moderate charge speed and moderate damage
Helbore Mk II: Hardest to build for breakpoints, good bayonet thrust, fastest charge speed and lowest damage per shot
Helbore Mk III: Possibly the only actual sniper rifle in the entire game, bad bayonet diagonal swing, slowest charge speed and highest damage per shot

#

You want Surgical/Weight of Fire on all of them though some would argue Weight of Fire is optional on a Mk II with high charge rate stat (there just aren't any good blessings that would be better than WoF tbh)

next spade
#

does one of them have pierce or how does it work?

somber axle
#

they all have cleave on shots

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you can kill targets behind the first thing you hit

#

you can shoot through Ogryn players too

junior needle
#

I'm waiting for the misters of battle, personally

tribal tangle
#

is take a swing nonfunctional?

junior needle
#

At least half the sister models look like men already so it shouldn't be too hard

rotund shard
#

Is it any good?

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junior needle
# rotund shard Is it any good?

Efficiency, reload speed, and crit chance are not good takes. The stats are good but running deadly without a crit printing setup (like with HH and/or ghost/dnd/deadshot) reduces the value by a lot.

wise fossil
#

What's the theoretical perfect rashad? HT 4, BM 4, flak, unarmored, mobility 60%?

junior needle
#

There's a guide in the pins that details what you generally want

junior needle
#

Flak can be unnecessary depending on how much juice you take

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BM and HT are generally considered BIS for vet

#

Zealot can feasibly forego HT with how much juice you can get from melee iirc

wise fossil
#

I guess Zealot probably opts for Shred 🤔

junior needle
#

If you're taking a setup that gives enough juice to not need headtaker

#

Then yes

arctic rampart
#

Zealot probably wants the non-BM blessing to be flexible depending on spec.. yes sometimes shred

junior needle
#

I can't recall anything else that might compete with headtaker apart from shred

arctic rampart
#

I would probabyl want headtaker on maryrdom zealot

agile forge
#

Decimator

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Thrust

arctic rampart
#

decimator is like a bad headtaker though

agile forge
#

True

junior needle
#

Na, deci is scuffed now

agile forge
#

Higher ceiling though

junior needle
#

In theory but

agile forge
#

But headtaker is what you generally want

arctic rampart
#

the floor is low enough that ceiling is made of used bubble gum

junior needle
#

In practice it's worse

agile forge
#

I loved my Thrust combat axe back in the old days

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With the triple strength Thrust bug

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And old bromentum

junior needle
#

Thrust could work for big smackos on hard targets

arctic rampart
#

But who takes an axe or a knife into a 40k fight CMN. You'd use a powered weapon gdamnit

agile forge
#

If it's a catachan combat blade 3, me.

#

They aren't ordinary blades

junior needle
#

Power swords are extremely rare in setting

agile forge
#

They're monomolecular edged pseudo-sci-fi bollocks

junior needle
#

So regular troops will be lugging the mundane weaponry for grunts

arctic rampart
#

the ogryn protecting me will have 2 roman size shields 😄

rotund shard
#

That would be pretty small for an ogryn lol

wise fossil
arctic rampart
#

I meant the style (legion huge rectangular) not the roman age made of brass or whatever

#

peak english culture!

#

the knife wielding hobos, not the shields

wise fossil
#

Me football team got robbed on the pitch! Ima shank ye

next spade
#

which are best infantry lasgun blessings?

agile forge
#

Depends on the mark

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The 1a likes headhunter and deadly accurarate

#

Accurate

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The 4 likes headhunter and ghost iirx

#

Iirc

#

And the 12 likes to go back to a world before patch 13

junior needle
#

k12 was doing really good on patch 13

#

#2 spot for lasguns

#

It's patch 14 that it was made obsolete by the 1a

random tulip
#

DO ORKS BLEED GREEN BLOOD?

midnight totem
#

no

north raptor
#

theyre fungus so they bleed chlorophyll

coral willow
junior needle
#

Although there might've been some weird damage interactions at the time

#

I was told this is no longer possible, but I haven't tested it

clear lantern
#

Fungus do not photosynthesize; they absorb organic life around themselves through touch and use it to expand.

agile forge
#

Fungus is closer to animal than plant

rotund shard
#

Yeah

clear lantern
#

Fungus are a third type. Fungus can be immortal. They are not animals; animals ingest. but yeah, if you review eukaryotic inheritance, there is more similiarity to animals than plants.

agile forge
#

It is, but that third type is closer to animal than plant

#

Drunk + stoned + autocorrect

rotund shard
#

Taxonomy in general is wild in today's day and age

north raptor
#

tmyk

#

so orks lifedrain like rogue from xmen over a sufficient timescale

clear lantern
north raptor
#

so orks would make miserable snuggling in bed

clear lantern
#

That could explain why, even in WH:Fantasy, orkoid hives created arid, wasteland conditions

north raptor
#

so many fetishes destroyed

torn moat
#

I wish the devs would add an Ork DLC instead of a genestealer one.

north raptor
#

meh

#

orks are lame, genestealers are fame

sturdy zephyr
north raptor
#

orks bad, genestealers rad

rotund shard
#

Orks wouldn't really fit the game tbh

north raptor
#

honestly neither would genestealers except in a dedicated mission

shadow aurora
#

Genestealers seem like a perfect enemy faction to add if we ever get a faction thats non chaos but saying orks are lame is objectively incorrect

north raptor
#

i think different chaos is the best cohesion yea

rotund shard
#

I don't think it would add too much

junior needle
#

Ork freebootas would be neat

shadow aurora
#

(Tzeentch fucking hates nurgle and vice versa)

#

Even more than there other siblings

rotund shard
#

Yeah I know, but I don't know how they would add it considering that tzeentch is all about spells and shit

shadow aurora
#

Spells dont inherently have to be ranged

#

They dont even have to be damaging either

rotund shard
#

Like fighting tzeentch daemons would be cool, but I'd loose my shit if I'd have to deal with horrors of tzeentch jumping around and lobbing fireballs at me

shadow aurora
#

Still think itd be more interesting than khorne🤮

#

Slaanesh also makes sense because of drug trade but idk if they want to go there

#

Personally i want tzeentch or genestealers

rotund shard
#

I like Khorne, but it's hard to make him more interesting than 'Runs at you and hits you really really hard" gameplay-wise

shadow aurora
#

^

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Plus we also have ragers already

#

Which actually sparked a big discussion that wether dregs and mobeians were nurgle or chaos united

#

We could have an enemy on slaanesh's or tzeentch's side that was some sort of zombie or guy that used gas and noone would care

#

But hitting guys and being mad is khornes thing!!!KEKW_ogryn

#

Fun times

rotund shard
shadow aurora
#

I can definitely see that. But nothing that confirms it

rotund shard
#

At least they seem like this to me

#

I think that Dreg gunners/shotgunners even have the nurgle symbol on their fron/backs, i don't remember where exactly

unique orchid
radiant chasm
#

reminder that it was only very recently the scabs actually came out as traitors and were pretending to be loyalist, setting up quarantine zones and such in tertium

#

scabs i would say are nurgle leaning undivided, while dregs are just nurgle, but looking at the diseased scab physical features and their general resilience (you can beat a mauler til his skull is exposed and he'll keep going for a bit)

#

they are def nurgle blessed, but they rely on their training, discipline, etc from being a traitor regiment while the dregs don't have any of that to lean on, hence more nurgle influence, the cult of admonition has been building for longer than the scabs have been traitor

somber vault
#

the scabs go to church on sunday and the dregs go to church on every day that ends in y

radiant chasm
unique orchid
#

that does track

#

every other word they say is nurgle lmao

radiant chasm
#

we call them dregs and scabs, that is the words the inquisition uses

#

the scabs still refer to themselves as the Moebian 6th, and the dregs are the Cult of Admonition

#

scab gunner for example

latest.png
#

like, scab ragers, yee def lean towards undivided and even khorne but rage is not solely a khorne emotion

shadow urchin
#

Is it worth getting mercy killer knife blessing if you're veteran? I.E. is it worth sacrificing a talent point for the bleed on hit.

bitter turtle
#

its alright

shadow urchin
#

I like to believe they're undivide just for the diversity. It's always Nurgle Nurgle Nurgle with these games

bitter turtle
#

its a solid option at least

astral blade
last parcel
somber vault
oblique totem
somber vault
#

which of these 2 do you reckon is better? the vet thing pinned says 69+ thermal resistance is important but the ammo diff is pretty big

#

is there a particular reason for 69% is it a number of shots bp?

coral willow
# somber vault

why elites and not carapace? then again elites is more broad

somber axle
#

yes afaik it gives you an extra shot before venting

#

if you don't mind having one less shot before hitting max heat then you could live without

last parcel
coral willow
#

69% thermal resis gives 8th shot from empty heat

#

only matters much if you decide to run blaze away probably

somber vault
#

so elites makes sense if it helps w that

coral willow
#

ye it does

#

i just went flak and carapace and never looked back so

somber vault
#

man remember when charge rate fucked your damage

#

that was so lame

#

what a weird time

coral willow
#

i mean current iteration plasma is still fucked so

somber vault
#

does charge rate still effect it?

#

i havent seen anyone raving about it recently

#

or is it fucked in some other way

coral willow
#

dont think so

#

i meant that its overpowered and nobody ever uses the charge

somber vault
#

oh

#

yea

#

LOL

somber axle
#

just not in a way anyone cares for

#

I run a max charge rate plasma with volatile for increased charge speeds because I'm one of the rare creatures that will actually use charged shots on plasma on the once in a blue moon times I decide to run a plasma gun

coral willow
#

damn

#

and not getshot for crits?

last parcel
#

volatile gloryhunter users stay winning chadgryn

somber axle
coral willow
#

i use blaze away and gloryhunter

somber axle
#

I ignore Blaze Away

#

I do have a Plasma with the meta loadout

#

let me hop onto Darktide to show

coral willow
#

blaze away is counterintuitive for chargeshot focus

somber axle
#

but I like very fast charged shot gameplay LOL

coral willow
#

they could probably chain normal shot ammo consumption to 4 and charge shot would be used again since its ammo efficient now

somber axle
#

nerfing plasma even more by tackling ammo efficiency would be hilarious LOL

#

still does really good damage

#

can still spam shots down range to kill groups of elites/specials at once with insane cleave

#

suddenly spamming shots is something to compare to Boltgun because you're pissing away your dwindling ammo reserves

#

right now it's just objectively more ammo efficient to spam uncharged shots but if you increase uncharged shot ammo consumption there might be niche moments charged shots become more ammo efficient

coral willow
#

increase normal shot to 4 and the ammo is like 2.25x

somber axle
#

yeah and as it stands I mostly just charged shot at Crushers and Maulers to 1HKO them or charged shot into Bulwarks since the weapon still doesn't care about Bulwark shields even if it doesn't stagger them anymore

coral willow
#

bolters in shambles

#

also goes for voidstrike i guess

astral blade
#

hey question was veteran buffed after the changes to the class

somber axle
hearty panther
#

id say strictly buffed

somber axle
#

some things with the Path of Redemption update were buffed like Marksman's focus uptime being doubled, tunnel vision toughness restoration rate increased, etc.

#

Survivalist Aura was nerfed to have a 5 sec CD

last parcel
#

out for blood chads chadgryn

hearty panther
#

if your old style was the ol' press F and BAG all the yellows, tha def got hit

somber axle
#

depending on how ammo efficient your preferred weapon is you may feel as though your class is much tighter on ammo use now

hearty panther
#

but vet is no longer stupidly binary for it

somber axle
#

I use a Recon Mk VId in aurics and don't have ammo troubles unless I run into ammo goblin squads

#

whenever I use Helbores I don't have ammo troubles period

#

ammo goblins could eat every last tin, pack and crate across an entire map

#

Helbore with Shock Trooper, Surgical and Deadshot is an infinite ammo gun

coral willow
somber axle
hearty panther
#

it do

somber axle
#

I use a funny build that sacrifices a lot of utility, support and defense to go all in on damage to make it competitive in Auric Damnation runs

#

I'd say every gun in the game is viable

#

but some people define viable differently than others

#

I've run Shredder Autopistol in Aurics and it performed fine

austere mica
#

I have seen 1 shredder vet ever

somber axle
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if you're silly enough you can do literally anything you want

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and still squeeze out victory

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extra funny points if the squad goes down and you solo clutch using a weapon people consider to be trash tier

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the ultimate flex

astral blade
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i see the enemy has a gas nade

coral willow
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shredder is tier 1 on vet probavly

somber axle
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more than the Scab Bomber

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Scab Bomber flames don't obscure your sight or buff enemies

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Tox Bomber clouds give enemies a movement speed buff and damage resistance buff

hearty panther
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fart clouds really choke out the place

coral willow
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scabby still gets bonus points for me cause he can melt your ogryn 500hp in seconds

somber axle
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Muties suddenly charge at mach 5

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it's hilarious

astral blade
somber axle
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I've seen some really good smoke grenade Vets

coral willow
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most people's hands its a worse shredder nades

somber axle
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Someone here even did a melee only Helbore bayonet Auric Damnation run using movement speed aura and smoke grenades

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but it's a grenade that requires knowing what it can do and knowing when to use it

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when it's just easier to no thoughts head empty drop a shredder frag grenade into a pile of ragers/poxwalkers/maulers

coral willow
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i feel like using it anytime is fine since most of the hordes now have shooters associated with it

somber axle
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they also mess up pox hound pounce targeting

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pox hounds often run in circles barking and never actually pounce when smoke clouds are up and you're hiding inside them

coral willow
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and trapper now facehugging you before she fires

somber axle
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shotgunners running into melee LOL

coral willow
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its so good but so bad at the same time its halarious

somber axle
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it is a very useful tool but like any tool someone who knows how to use it will get a lot more value out of it

astral blade
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what about yee old infiltrate

coral willow
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its good

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even if its a point heavy

somber axle
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Infiltrate has always been good imo

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Just use it with Low Profile

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you can ignore Overwatch

coral willow
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i go for overwatch

somber axle
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Hunter's Resolve is ok

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but I prefer Low Profile

coral willow
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i go for damage toughness resis and +1 charge

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and go ham on melee

astral blade
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rending strikes?

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buff or nay

midnight totem
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It's a little weak but it's useable

astral blade
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so brittle is the way to go?

midnight totem
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For melee or ranged?

astral blade
midnight totem
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The melee brittle on crit node is terrible

coral willow
midnight totem
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Onslaught works for both ranged and melee and is the best, but it takes a bit more node investment

astral blade
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ok good to know that onslaught is still good

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2.5 brittleness that stacks 16 times?

winter grove
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Fellas, should I swap unarmored to maniac on a MG1a?

astral blade
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sounds good

midnight totem
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SMOKE EVERYTHING

winter grove
midnight totem
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I'd swap to manic

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But, check how fast you're killing gunners

winter grove
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2 headshots

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Yeah I'll go with maniac

tall torrent
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It doesn’t really work well with melee weapons because most enemies die before you stack enough brittleness on them

winter grove
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ok since I rolled a good MG1a now's time to roll a good mg12 for memes

tall torrent
somber axle
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extra funny for hotboxing the dropship

winter grove
somber axle
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I love seeing Ogryns in quickplay but wow there are a lot of really bad Ogryns in quickplay LOL

winter grove
jaunty merlin
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Why can't I get a roll like this for my vet?

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winter grove
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But I think it's not that bad

midnight totem
somber axle
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at least the Auric Storm Survivor title is still doing the same thing as FF14 Perfect Legend title: showing you someone who is going to eat shit in weird ways LOL

tall torrent
midnight totem
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Damn

tall torrent
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Brittleness wouldn’t do much

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Skullcrusher also only gives u bonus dmg when enemies are in stagger state

midnight totem
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True

winter grove
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I still have like two MG1a's that have good stats

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but I'll keep them for the update

tall torrent
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Just save all resources for the update tbh

winter grove
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On one hand yes
On the other Mg12 memes

midnight totem
astral blade