veteran-class

[untold moth]

The inverse drop off was so unique to that weapon..

[terse idol]

They got a tiny buff because of shock trooper but eh

[terse idol]

(To be fair the Ilas has the same mechanic cough)

[late hatch]

Yeah nerfing weapons to the ground and leaving them poor for a long time doesnt seem like a great idea for game balance to me. But I havent sold millions of copies of video games so eh

[untold moth]

Llas is what?

[terse idol]

Infantry las

[untold moth]

I should try the infantry lasgun. It’s semi auto right?

[shadow aurora]

Shock trooper works now?

[terse idol]

It always worked

They just adjusted the internal cooldown

[untold moth]

Selling copies is less an indicator of good game design than maintaining a player base

[junior needle]

Still ass, only way to get them performing somewhat acceptably is a lot of juice from the talent tree. Also the recons got nerfed harder than one less crit in a string. They went from 3/4/5 based on fire rate to 2 across the board.

[late hatch]

If there was a better option, players would go there. Its easy to criticise, but compared to what?

[terse idol]

Helldivers

[junior needle]

Not quite, it never had an internal cooldown. It just didn't work with string crits for a long period of time.

[terse idol]

[untold moth]

Ty… so many many people gaslit me when they did the change. I swore it used to crit more than 2 times in a row

[late hatch]

I dont play it, but Ive heard plenty of complaints about weapon balance

[untold moth]

It was fun using infernus on it.. Then they wreck the gun, ruin the damage at range, and simultaneously make infernus ass by lowering the crit string

[somber axle]

Kinda. Surgical is almost universally objectively better than Crucian outside of niche moments where you are spamming shots at a target like with the Agripina Revolver. Going McCree High Noon playstyle means dumping shots into the target as fast as possible. In that case the stacking crit chance is more benefit because you are firing as fast as possible so Surgical is getting very little value while Crucian is providing more value for each successive shot. But for the Zarona Revolver (and most other weapons even including the Agripina Revolver) if you pause for even a short second between shots you are getting more value out of Surgical

[untold moth]

Way way back before when people said the recon sucked, I liked it a lot.. With the ult reloading my gun, you could just laser for ever

[junior needle]

They're supposedly in line for a total rework down the line but don't get your hopes up for that happening anytime soon or for any stopgap measures in the meantime.

It being bad and you liking it aren't mutually exclusive

[untold moth]

So they took a gun that was meh, made it good enough, then they normalized the variants, changed the niche, and simultaneously forced us through such awful talent reworks

[junior needle]

They've been numerically undertuned for a very long time, also taking instant reload on them before the talent patch was a big waste

[untold moth]

I liked it for the concept. Fast shooting sharpshooter weapon. But now it’s bad at range with awful ttk.

[somber axle]

I am at work and cannot get too into it but they're viable for Auric Damnation difficulty and can output a surprising amount of damage with a surprising amount of ammo efficiency if you stack crit/rending and use it with Shock Trooper

They're one of the worst weapons in the game but "worst" in this game is kinda meaningless LOL

[junior needle]

What sneaky means by "auric viable" does not mean "auric good"

[somber axle]

You can easily make a gun perform well

[hidden torrent]

Worst usually means bad

[untold moth]

It was a waste, but I liked the 75 toughness as well, because back then fire instant broke your toughness, so having an on demand way to get it back was cool

[hidden torrent]

I could be wrong tho

[junior needle]

By using a very glass cannon talent tree to compensate for how poor the numbers of the gun are

[untold moth]

Game was easier then too, don’t think they had aurics yet

[somber axle]

It's more that a player using a Recon can perform good if the player is good. It's not an ezpz lemon squeezy turn off brain and it carries bad players type weapon like Plasma, Columnus Infantry Autogun or Zarona Revolver. A bad player can pick up those and still perform decently. A good player can use those three weapons and easily carry bad teams. Recons require a LOT more effort and skill imo

[junior needle]

It's more like "If the player is good you can compensate for how bad the guns are with your skill"

To not give you any false impressions

[somber axle]

Skill and talent tree build yes

[junior needle]

Recons require a LOT more effort and skill imo
This is because the guns are very numerically undertuned

[somber axle]

If you just take a Recon in with the wrong talent build you will still fail to use it to any meaningful effect in matches

[junior needle]

And always have been

[somber axle]

Ok not ALWAYS

[untold moth]

This argument only really works though if the skill ceiling is high on the weapon.. The same effort and skill applied to other weapons returns significantly better results

[junior needle]

Always, even near release when a lot of guns were bad

It was just less huge of a gap on average

[untold moth]

And the threshold of performance with the recon is terrible. You’re basically doing your best to not be a burden.

[somber axle]

There was a brief 21 day period the Recons were possibly one of the strongest guns in the game and it was laser focused for a nerf by Fatshark LOL

[hidden torrent]

I used a recon lasgun with a 14 damage stat on auric Maelstrom and still did 250k damage only shooting

It's possible

[somber axle]

Yes it is a high skill ceiling imo

A lot of people try my clown build and suffer

It is a LOT more effort

[junior needle]

That wasn't the gun itself, that was a likely overlooked interaction with crit strings/headhunter/shocktrooper

[somber axle]

They didn't nerf headhunter or shock trooper. They did nerf crit strings and their adm though

[rigid pilot]

Then crit strings got nerfed

[junior needle]

Their dps was still not impressive for that patch

[untold moth]

Perhaps I don’t know the phrase.. I want like “skill ceiling” in regards to the potential output of the weapon.

[rigid pilot]

But then not ciag crit strings

[untold moth]

There are things in games that are awful for most players and OP or great when they’ve been mastered. But recon is still meh even when used optimally

[junior needle]

Yes, they took it out on the weapons baseline in a panic nerf. The crit strings werent a problem before shocktrooper.

[somber axle]

This is incorrect for me and those like me

We're built DIFFERENT
We're built INCORRECTLY

I can and have carried teams with a Recon before LMFAO

For good teams I pull my own weight in matches

[junior needle]

You can still "carry" with a bad weapon by being competent

[untold moth]

This isn’t what I’m suggesting isn’t possible. I’m saying the gun feels terrible even when you’re playing perfectly

[somber axle]

Last soldier standing and still Wolfer's best can't put me down

The squad can be gone but the clown will never stop dancing

[somber axle]

That's subjective so if it feels terrible to you that is a very fair and valid take tbh. It is my fav weapon tbh but I might be a masochist because I love the extra effort, pressure and challenge

[junior needle]

You are most definitely a masochist

[untold moth]

I used to carry HI damnation with the original Eviscerator on zealot back when it was considered possibly the worst weapon.
But I could have also carried those games with something better.. and then not needed to QQ cancel and path optimally

[junior needle]

The evis wasn't explicitly bad, it was just a lot of consistent effort to use

[somber axle]

The Empire of Man can cringe at clowns but 2 Harlequins cut down and killed multiple Custodes on their own when breaching the Imperial Palace getting so far as to reach the Emperor's throne room and close enough to reach out to him psychically. The Empire's finest are nothing compared to a break dancing clown screaming "FRIENDSHIP!! FRIENDSHIP!!"

[untold moth]

Evis had broken headshot registration, awful breakpoints, animation bugs, and terrible cleave damage

[junior needle]

Sounds like a lot of weapons back in yonder day

[tall torrent]

no, that was vraks 3

[somber axle]

Easily the funniest story I have ever read of 40k LOL

[junior needle]

Ironically the 6d wasn't even considered the strongest lasgun in that patch

[tall torrent]

the real crown during patch 13 was vraks 3

u could basically kill god with v3

[somber axle]

Whatever the Vraks III was nerfed over, that's not what I am talking about. I am talking about the Recon nerfs specifically and the period of time multiple people have told me about when they were infinite ammo infinite crit guns LOL

[untold moth]

But, you could QQ cancel to speed up a lot of attacks. Like push attack QQ heavy was faster than push attack heavy. Push QQ heavy was faster than push heavy.

[trim hemlock]

Vraks 3 was insane shortly after P13

[somber axle]

With better ADM

Recons were immensely powerful for a short time

And then were nerfed

[junior needle]

Not quite

[trim hemlock]

And then Plasma got 50 cleave for some reason

[junior needle]

The 6d was strong in the highest tier of play

7a and 2 were still mediocre

[untold moth]

I’m so sad they made them so good for that time, because they were fine before

And now they just kinda.. eh

[tall torrent]

somehow an infinite ammo infinite crit gun wasn't as good as vraks 3 tho

[junior needle]

They also couldn't get infinite ammo

Just a lot of ammo efficiency

[somber axle]

Always remember that Fatshark doesn't consider Plasma, Columnus Infantry Autogun or Zarona Revolver scary enough to nerf. They're not scared of meta weapons. They fear the Recons. They fear the clowns

[untold moth]

I’ll try out the infantry lasgun and see how it feels

[junior needle]

Helbores and the k12 were considered better than the 6d that patch

At least by people on the discord

[untold moth]

Any recommendation on which one to use?

[junior needle]

1a is technically the best currently

[tall torrent]

HB3 was actually infinite ammo in patch 13

[somber axle]

I love Helbores so much

[untold moth]

6d that patch was insane.

[junior needle]

It's still actually infinite ammo, nothing has changed for it

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II has been a fav lately ever since I switched my character personality and name to Professional and started wearing the Krieg set with a fold shovel

[untold moth]

Helbores are a no go for me because of the delay before you can fire when you weapon swap

[somber axle]

It still is tbh

[junior needle]

Yeah the bayonets are actually decent melee now, except for the hb3

[agile forge]

that's what the bayonet is for

you don't have to swap away

for a lot of situations

[somber axle]

Surv Aura, Shock Trooper and Surgical make it ammo positive in engagements LOL

[agile forge]

the folding shovel is a great companion for it

since it's good at staying safe in a crowd but not so good at actually killing, and it murders crushers

[untold moth]

I dunno.. I like being able to swap back and forth between my weapons

[somber axle]

That's why I use Exe Stance

[tall torrent]

it's a bit different because in patch13 u could bring a HB3 into any match and basically never drop below 90% ammo
whereas now HB just "never runs out" but can run to yellow

[somber axle]

Faster swap

And more damage

[agile forge]

while the helbore's bayonet handles killing small numbers of enemies very quickly

and also handles bosses better than the shovel

[tall torrent]

and even still with all of those things, Vraks 3 was the real dominator that patch

[somber axle]

Plus I love Exe Stance with team highlight node for Vent Purge High Intensity Sniper Gauntlets. Letting the team see specials/elites through the smoke is a very powerful support tool

[junior needle]

Am I forgetting something? Can't recall any actual changes since then beyond survivalist.

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1wUaYdMKK9GkZG/d16gEHUbTDp2?invite=cr-MSx1REksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

Here's the vraks 3 clip

[untold moth]

I could give it another go, but I hate the concept of my character needing to flick a switch every time I swap to my ranged

Compared to guns that can just.. swap and shoot.

[agile forge]

My only ex stance build is a super selfish one that doesn't take team outlining

[junior needle]

Nobody takes team outlining

[tall torrent]

part of that is veteran having to play survivalist back then (not so much now)
the other part was that HB3 was using turbo crit chance stack

[junior needle]

Because it helps your team poach your resets

[agile forge]

And my CIAG build is just so goddamn point hungry

[somber axle]

The slower swap speed is definitely a con of the weapon, I just use Exe Stance to alleviate that negative aspect

[agile forge]

I already can't take all of the talents I feel like I need

let alone the ones that I kinda want

I had to drop deadshot to take grenade regen from special/elite kills

[somber axle]

I love Deadshot + Surgical + Shock Trooper on a perfectly rolled Mk II Helbore

One of my fav playstyles

[agile forge]

and tbf not having deadshot probably makes me stronger anyway lol

[junior needle]

Surgical hasn't been nerfed iirc, so your crit stacking would be exactly the same

[somber axle]

Sometimes I just ignore grenade regen tbh

A lot of the time I forget grenades even exist and only use them for emergencies

[tall torrent]

the other part is that
previously HB3 had easier access to ogryn 1 tap breakpoints

[somber axle]

Like underhand lob at a downed team mate before beginning the revive

[tall torrent]

now it takes more investment

[untold moth]

What blessings you recommend for infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

which one

[untold moth]

Fastest one most likely

[tall torrent]

MG4?

[junior needle]

4 is the fastest firing, but 1a is generally considered the best

[tall torrent]

Ghost + Headhunter/Between the Eyes

[junior needle]

Between the Eyes

[untold moth]

Booting up the game now to check

[tall torrent]

yea, this results in a turbo point efficient gun

u don't need shock trooper

u don't need determined

u don't need any specific dmg node besides rending

[junior needle]

What does between the eyes do to make you not want shocktrooper?

[tall torrent]

suppression immunity

[junior needle]

Yeah but uh

[tall torrent]

so u don't need determined anymore

besides

MG4 genuinely never runs out of ammo

I've played without shock trooper

[junior needle]

Challenge accepted

[tall torrent]

u have smth close to 600 shots before u run out

MG1a only has around 300

[somber axle]

I had a match with 3 ammo gremlins and without shock trooper I went to my last 2 clips on the Mk IV. It really is an infinite ammo gun comparable to Helbores if it never runs dry even with 3 ammo vacuums making sure I only get to see MAYBE 1 or 2 tins a whole match

[tall torrent]

HH + shock trooper is ok

it has more "synergy"

but it's not that necessary

[untold moth]

Can someone share a screenshot of their 1a lasgun

[shadow aurora]

Anyone else wish rinda had a regular enemy counterpart?

Id love to have some sort of duelist enemy in the game that can do her dash's and dodge attacks

[sturdy zephyr]

For lasgun. Ammo are next to dmg. How many you matters.

[sturdy zephyr]

Stability not giving hard time? I reroll my gun to get better stablity.

[tall torrent]

stability doesn't change the visual recoil much

[sturdy zephyr]

Thats just me. Or maybe i need to use proper way

[untold moth]

Mind sharing what talents you’re using?

[tall torrent]

do u want 1 shot breakpoints or just smth to 2 tap with

[untold moth]

Whichever is cozier probably. I’m fine with two shots

[junior needle]

So efficiency cools down even while you're shooting, but only affects 1 shot

[somber axle]

Ooo

[agile forge]

I miss the twins showing up during missions

[junior needle]

Absolute dog blessing still

[agile forge]

They were a really fun variation on the usual bosses

Actually quite fair and balanced outside of the Cauldron

[shadow aurora]

Same. Fighting the same three bosses gets annoying. Hopefully they add assassination targets to the enemy list. Assassination targets need to be way harder so throwing old ones into the boss pool could work

Assuming they ever even rework them in the first place

[agile forge]

Traitor captains aren't that bad imo, they just need a little bit of a shorter downtime period when downed and a little more instagib resistance

Chasm Station at least

Magistrati Oubliette takes too long for their reinforcements to arrive from too few locations

[somber axle]

Yeah I just worked it out in my head and even on the Kantrael XII which uses 3 ammo per shot that means you are only saving 1 ammo every 4 seconds at best

[sturdy zephyr]

Traitor captain are special condition look nice too

[somber axle]

That might work out to an extra few shots per clip but ultimately isn't making much of an impact

[vernal sundial]

we desperately need better/more difficult bosses
twins feel like an actual boss encounter, assassination feels easier than even monsters

[thick kestrel]

some sort of sorcerer/psyker would be fun

lean them to being some form of Dreg boss as opposed to a Scab

aha!

that'll do nicely ^^

[bitter turtle]

I have a 30 stab ilas

It doesn't really change much

[junior needle]

Yeah the ilas still bounce too much even at 80% stability

And with exe/deadshot

It's really annoying

[shadow aurora]

Disagree a bit

There attacks feel way to easy to dodge

The only time i ever felt threatened during one of those fights was because of the other enemies

[terse idol]

Urgh, Crit chance and unarmoured

unlucky

[agile forge]

Yeah, but with the other enemies it adds up to quite a bit sometimes

Chasm station is a very different fight from magistrati oubliette even though the captain doesn't change between them

I don't want to lose what we already have I guess but I'd love to see new assassination missions take a different direction

Traitor guard captains aren't that high tier right

they're basically just squad leaders

if the next one is like a wounded CSM or a traitor with more of Nurgle's blessings

it can be more of a setpiece with its own shit going on

[shadow aurora]

Still i dont think they are nearly as strong as they should be

I always feel underwhelmed when fighting them

[agile forge]

They die too fast and they don't have their toughness wipe any more

like, current TCaptains are a bit poop I guess

but before the accidental nerf

that's the sweet spot I'd want to get them back to

[iron marten]

it's not too bad, tbh. No big loss anyway, cause I got this as a drop, and just slapped HH and DA on it

[midnight totem]

They're not poop. We're just that good

Actually, I wish the torrent assassination is reworked slightly

[shadow aurora]

I just hope they give them attacks that actually make them scary. Right now the assassination targets feel more like punching bags you need to destroy while everything else trys to stop you. I want the punching bag to punch me back

[midnight totem]

It's too predictable

The Chasm Terminus assassination is more of a fight

[terse idol]

Part of me feels like they don't want them too strong either

but it's hard to tell..

[agile forge]

Chasm Station assassination used to be absolutely brutal

[terse idol]

If anything the bosses are harder when you're new

But once people are optimized

They're trivialzed

[agile forge]

it's still tough if you don't have good specials control

[terse idol]

yeah

[agile forge]

but most teams are smarter now

[terse idol]

But you ccan also just kill them fast enough that the specs don't spawn

Yeess

That too

For lower level players I can still see the bosses being difficult

[agile forge]

• we are generally stronger now

[terse idol]

I would prefer if they inherited some of the move sets like the twins

but they can't make it too long either

[shadow aurora]

Yep. They probably are going to do more stuff like twins in the future and they probably want those special bosses to feel really strong. If regular bosses are scaled too far up then theyd probably feel less cool ig?

[terse idol]

Maybe it'd be best if the bosses fought you through the level

[shadow aurora]

Thats my guess

[agile forge]

I want the boss levels to have a point to do them though

once you already have all the penances for orthus offensive why do it again

[analog mural]

Well the twins do fight you throughout the level if you don't skip it

[agile forge]

horrendously low winrate on it in pubs

[shadow aurora]

What your shiny badge wasnt enough?!

[shadow aurora]

Yeah we know

Were saying itd be cool of assassination targets did it too

[thick kestrel]

kind of hard to say? Imperial guard Organisation is fuzzy at the best of times... and it's entirely possible and likely that the Mobians have gotten even more loose after going traitor and are almost certainly recruiting to augment their numbers on top of the Scabs.

based on books and the like we would "expect" the captains to be the company commanders? so in charge of a few platoons of troopers?

[agile forge]

Maybe you can get a deconsecration token from doing it or something

Lets you reset an orange weapon back to grey

Consumable

[shadow aurora]

Id rather it let you break locks. Im already hurting for plasteel

[thick kestrel]

so almost certinaly worth taking out, but not likely to massively hurt the Scabs (at least in the same way that taking the Twins out theoretically will)

[agile forge]

Breaking locks would be great but I don't know if fatshark would see that as going too far

[agile forge]

Makes sense i guess, so gunners are probably more like the squad leaders

I kinda see them like that already, them and maulers

[thick kestrel]

mhmm, or specialists at the very least

[agile forge]

Since they're more resilient to being suppressed and knocked around

[thick kestrel]

specialists in the role sense... not just the in game type sense

[agile forge]

I figure they've got the better discipline

[shadow aurora]

Kinda like the veterans role in the regect squad probably

[thick kestrel]

but again, imperial guard organisation is... messy... varies massively from planet to planet and regiment type to type.

I'd presume that the 6th were some form of Line Regiment as opposed to mechanised or "light". so frontline combatants in the same way Kreigers or Cadians would be.

rather than how Valhallans or Steel Legion troops would fight.

so... probably 3-4 thousand at "standard" strength? considering the regiment was back on Tertium that would make me think that the intention was for them to rebuild, so their strength would have been less than that...

now that the insurrection is in full swing however they're 100% going to be integrating recruits from the upper echelons of the Dregs they're probably above that and expanding rapidly.

though it's probably worth thinking that each mission "canonically" only occurs once? so the endless tides we battle can kind of be explained away in that sense ^^

[somber axle]

It's also probably that the vast majority of rejects recruited from the penal ship are just bodies into a grinder

They get dropped off at school but never make it to the front door

You can also probably imagine some attempt desertion with how Loose Cannon has a voice line asking if anyone would join them if they pack up and run

[thick kestrel]

indeed, the "squad" are the lucky few who survive all the way and turn into those weirdos inquisitors love to keep around.

[somber axle]

The ones we play are the survivors who get the job done and make it back for another run

[analog mural]

I don't think the 6th's doctrine is mentioned anywhere, but I imagine they are mechanized as they have Leman Russ factories on atoma prime

And moebian steel is famed

Idk though

[somber axle]

It's probably why Wolfer is so cocky in some missions and so outraged and confused in others. Wolfer is probably used to taunting rejects then watching them inevitably fall. He's not used to the odd squad that runs through his men like nothing

[thick kestrel]

nah, the Leman Russ factories pre-date the 6th rebelling, them going rogue has only happened after they came back from the front lines of a big conflict where they got corrupted.

Tertium being a big leman russ production nexus probably does mean they produce tank regiments, but we've not seen the evidence of chimeras to suggest mechanised forces.

[somber axle]

The carnival is my fav because one of Wolfer's soldiers is saying there must be an entire battalion in the arena and Wolfer yells back not to lie to him because he KNOWS it is just four people

If your tried and true soldiers backed up by all manner of monster can't stop 4 prisoners you would be mad and confused too LOL

[thick kestrel]

combined with them trying to sabotage the factories rather than use them themselves.

the 21st, the loyalist guard who appear to be holding the outer edges of the cordon around the rebelling areas, however do appear to be making use of the leman russ tanks.

[radiant chasm]

They are trying to use the factories

[umbral garnet]

The soldier refuses to believe just four people, where two are insane, one is over this shit, and the other is just really big and stupid, can kill them in droves.

[radiant chasm]

But they don’t have any dark mechanicus

So they’ve been using corruptors

Which all get popped and killed before they eventually pop out a single chaos war machine

[analog mural]

The factories predating the rebellion says nothing to prove they aren't/weren't a mechanized regiment though

[thick kestrel]

true, it's more the sheer predominance of infantry we see from them which makes me think the Scabs are an infantry force.

[analog mural]

And they aren't sabotaging but attempting to take over them

[radiant chasm]

Yee

[thick kestrel]

though a boss fight against a leman russ might be fun....

[radiant chasm]

It’s also where we are fighting and the fact it’s a horde shooter

[thick kestrel]

indeed

so the Scabs being an infantry force works nicely in that sense

[somber axle]

To be fair a Psyker alone is probably worth a hundred guardsmen on a bad day, the Ogryn is probably worth 20-25 Guardsmen when they're in a good mood, the Veteran is probably packing the experience and firepower to outdo 5-ish Guardsmen and the Zealot is probably worth around the same amount but firepower aside they're all surviving through crazy plot armour considering they fight Daemonhosts, Beasts of Nurgle, Chaos Spawn and Plague Ogryns while also battling Wolfer's men and the hordes of poxwalkers simultaneously

[thick kestrel]

the Loyalists broadly seem to be outnumbered, but have the advantage in terms of vehicles and equipment which seems to be maintaining the stalemate.

[radiant chasm]

A traitor leman russ would be a free target for our valks or we could just disengage, most places simply wouldn’t be able to be tanked, like the torrent or hourglass

[thick kestrel]

particularly in terms of airpower

[umbral garnet]

A fair assessment.

[radiant chasm]

And they aren’t at the point of completely trashing places like throneside and such. It is their home too, they want it corrupted by nurgle, not flattened by tanks

[umbral garnet]

In realistic terms, one bitch slap from a Plague Ogryn and you're toast.

[somber axle]

Get swallowed by a Beast of Nurgle? You're dead

[tall torrent]

That’s somewhat of a survivorship bias because strike teams’ missions are almost all deep infiltration / sabotage

[umbral garnet]

Get your head bitten off by a Chaos Spawn.

[shadow aurora]

What if im built different?

[tall torrent]

So it makes sense that we don’t get to see the enemies’ tanks

[umbral garnet]

Are you a named Space Marine in a novel?

No?

Then thou are not built different.

[shadow aurora]

No im a player character

:(

[umbral garnet]

Fuck, you got a point.

THEY HAVE SOUTH AFRICAN SERVERS NOW??

SINCE WHEN

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[tall torrent]

DT rejects have more confirmed BoN kills than grey knights, just saying

[umbral garnet]

HUGE W

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

It's probably just that lore wise the rejects are not blocking or tanking the hits from a Plague Ogryn (except maybe our own Ogryns) but more that the Rejects use combined firepower and tactics to bring it down before it gets a chance to squash anyone like a bug. Doesn't matter how much faith a Zealot has if he stands on railroad tracks and says the Emperor Protects to an oncoming freight train. He's getting flattened if he isn't getting out of the way

[agile forge]

I think being in the same room as a BoN = dead

[umbral garnet]

NOT IF A THAMMER HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT

[umbral garnet]

Just throw a yarn ball.

And run.

[thick kestrel]

maybe, but in terms of numbers of scabs and the equipment we see them use they don't really come across as a mechanised force. Ogryn auxilla, snipers, hellgun heavy weapon teams, lots of infantry etc.

it just kind of makes more sense for them to be a big line infantry regiment gone rogue in a game and narrative sense. it just matches up a wee bit better overall 🙂

[somber axle]

Only if you get goo'd

If you maintain distance you can survive a fight with one which isn't too big a stretch since they're said to be pretty slow

[agile forge]

Pretty close to how they're best fought in DT too tbh

[thick kestrel]

yarp, spread out and hit it from range on all sides.

someone will get that weakpoint for the quick damage if it's chasing people in different directions

or y'know... drop a psyker bubble on it's head and beat it to death :>

[somber axle]

Since we have a Psyker, Vet has Plasma/Boltgun and Krak grenades, Ogryn has Stubbers/Explosives and Zealot has a Flamethrower and incendiary grenades, the rejects feasibly have the firepower to slowly wear down a Beast of Nurgle afaik

[thick kestrel]

(it can only swallow if you're gooped, bubble destroys the goop before it can hit you)

[shadow aurora]

iirc bon are actually way faster in lore

I heard something about plague marines driving cars through crowds of people because itd get the beast excited and chase after the car

[woeful ibex]

wait we have a patch?

[agile forge]

They probably need to get up to speed

In the hives they have to turn too often

[shadow aurora]

That is true. No momentum

[somber axle]

Probably not too much faster since the 40k wiki cites them as generally slow. But when excited they probably do end up dashing much like an excited puppy. They have to drag themselves slug style and they're very large so their speed isn't going to ever reach the tier of a vehicle or Space Marine

[agile forge]

But faster than a guardsman can run maybe?

[shadow aurora]

Wonder where that info came from them. Ughh. 40k is so full of contradictions I wouldn't be suprised if it wasnt even misinformation

[somber axle]

Their strength is in how durable and determined they are. It takes a lot of firepower to put one down and meanwhile they are rotting/killing anything they get close to or touch. Their slime trails will infect/corrupt/decay everything in its wake. Just them existing puts smal animals and plants in peril

[thick kestrel]

yeah, there's a lot of stuff which kind of... just becomes fan lore and sources repeat it without really confirming.

[somber axle]

If sufficiently excited maybe

[woeful ibex]

anyone can confirm about the patch?

[thick kestrel]

the extent of the Ork's gestalt field is a good example. kind of memed into being a lot more powerful than it is in terms of making tech work.

[agile forge]

Orks are a meme already though

[thick kestrel]

Pardon Bronx, I don't seem to have a patch on my end.

[somber axle]

They're used like battering rams

Sent at static trenches, fortifications, etc. to try to break enemy lines

Doesn't need to outrun something that isn't moving

[woeful ibex]

oh, I just restarted my steam and I just saw Darktide getting an update

[shadow aurora]

OH tanks

[woeful ibex]

I thought we get some patch notes on the discord

[thick kestrel]

oh 100%, but its a good example. the normal lore being "ork stuff works better than it should" kind of turns into "ork stuff doesn't work, unless an ork is holding it"

[shadow aurora]

No wonder they can keep up

[radiant chasm]

Probably just steam cloud or a quick file verification

[agile forge]

If an ork believes a stick has dakka in it, that stick will dakka

Etc

[radiant chasm]

No patches

[agile forge]

Right?

[radiant chasm]

Ork has to know what dakka is and the gellar field must be populated with X amount of orks

X increasing based on the power output of said dakka

But yes

[woeful ibex]

ah ok and thanks

[thick kestrel]

yeah, it's a fun joke but Ork stuff can still work without the orks being about. it's just going to be... redneck engineering kind of working without them ^^

[agile forge]

So another question

[terse idol]

Well ah to be fair like

Yeah

Abit

[agile forge]

If an ork paints something purple

Could I see it?

[terse idol]

But like, occurrences like weird boyz

Doooo reinforceme it

Also how bigger waaghs make orkz smarter

Basically

[radiant chasm]

Depends on the technical skill of the waagh

Some ork groups can make weapons that are almost functional outside the hands of an ork

[thick kestrel]

there's a good example in one of the Cain books where he and a bunch of PDF troopers and Civilians basically steal a pile of Ork trukks/buggies and use them to trek 500 miles+ to get to safety for example.

[radiant chasm]

And some ork groups are going to mostly have weapons that have no business working

[thick kestrel]

they don't work WELL... but they do work

[terse idol]

Well yeah

I feeel

[radiant chasm]

Possibly, it doesn’t make them invisible, it just makes you more likely to ignore the color purple in your mind

[terse idol]

As if the vehicles don't suddenly just not work when orkz aren't there

It's probably alot easier to use it when you're an ork but

[radiant chasm]

It’s more like schrodinger and also orks try to follow their instinctual code

[thick kestrel]

aye, it's more that stuff works better than it should, as opposed to miraculously bending reality, which is more the meme.

[radiant chasm]

Like they know gasoline and engines and oil

[agile forge]

They're like the Fonz?

Like if a machine isn't working but ork bashes it and goes "ayyyyyyy"

It will work

[shadow aurora]

Orks have a psychic power which makes stuff they believe true. Lots of ork weaponry is actual scrap metal and junk because they believe it works. And they believe umies are too TUPID to use it

[thick kestrel]

though it does get silly once mekboyz and weirdboyz start popping up.

[shadow aurora]

So humans cant use it

[radiant chasm]

But they can also go “my gas tank isn’t empty, i filled it up yesterday” and then boom it works

[midnight totem]

Humans can use it

[thick kestrel]

but in the same sense of imperial tech being weird nonsense which only works with the right prayers and incantations (which are really the operators manual translated into faux latin)

[midnight totem]

There's plenty of stories of humans and even space Marines using ork wargear

Just not very reliable

Or effective

[thick kestrel]

indeed, which is why it's a good example of fan exaggeration kind of warping (heh, pun) the lore a bit.

[shadow aurora]

It depends on writer mostly

As do most things 40k tend to unfortunately

[radiant chasm]

Yea, the reliability and effectiveness of ork gear in non ork hands is dependent on the technical skill of and size of the waagh that made it

Large waaghh with lots of mekboys?

They’d be fairly safe to use, besides maybe sheer recoil

Smaller waagh with mostly weird boys and little to none mekboys? Yea i wouldnt tempt it

[shadow aurora]

Da misfire into your shoulda is how da gun starts workin!

[terse idol]

Hmm, I feel as if you could find a paradox there
That orkz are proud of their inventions and would happily believe the oomies could use it
(Now the issue being anybody trying to use anything an ork made would likely have the same risk of exploding and killing them like any ork)

[shadow aurora]

Possible

Orks think humans are pretty stupid though

[midnight totem]

From their point of view, we are

[shadow aurora]

I bet ogryns and orks would get along really well now that i think about it

[terse idol]

Hmm

[somber axle]

Isn't this an exaggeration in most cases though? It takes a particularly large force of Orks to generate the warp energy to make trash into tech. The more likely case is that rather than tinkerbell magic, Ork tech is so crude and rudimentary that the Mechanicus believe it shouldn't function despite the ability to. There are lore accounts of Guardsmen using Ork weaponry iirc. Ork tech is just a different manner of weapons development that humans generally don't understand. Kinda like if you handed an Aeldari device to a Guardsman. He wouldn't know what he is even looking at, much less how to use it

[shadow aurora]

Ork tech takes warp magic?

I didnt even know

[somber axle]

Though like afaik there is that silly thing of painting vehicles with flames to make them go faster

[shadow aurora]

Thought they were just so stupid they looped around to being smart and could make a ray gun out of plastic

[terse idol]

theoretically the ork gestalt consciousness is all based in warp

I mean I guess I would equate it to like

[somber axle]

And it's unclear if this is actually enhancing the speed or if Orks are naturally painting fast things so it's a self fulfilling prophecy

[shadow aurora]

They do have a slight hive mind connection through it

Like getting smarter the more there are

[terse idol]

The orkz thst use teleportation technology

[terse idol]

They could be painting it while also adding bits that indeed do make it faster subconsciously

[somber axle]

Yeah to my knowledge that's where the meme comes from. Look at the War of the Beast. A sufficient Ork WAAAAGH generates enough power to enhance Orks not just physically but also mentally and psychically. They had borderline Krorks during that war

[radiant chasm]

orks have a passive warp field that does silly things

[agile forge]

See https://www.reddit.com/r/40kOrkScience/s/Q6kxmaHBzK

[radiant chasm]

it's like how humans can have faith based powers/things happen, except on a larger scale

[shadow aurora]

I mean i know that they are connected to the warp i didnt know that how strong it was allowed them to make stuff out of less stuff is what im saying

[terse idol]

I would say!

It is equivalent exchange

They can't just make more matter they need the bits

[radiant chasm]

it's not so much making stuff as stretching stuff past what you'd normally think

krourks were a species literally to be a self sufficient war machine

orks are just a watered down version of that

[shadow aurora]

I can only imagine an ork looking for more parts and suddenly finding one hidden in a crevice that didnt exist there before

pulls magazine out from behind ear

[radiant chasm]

more like a piece poked out when it was deeper in the ground

[terse idol]

Maybe it is all subconscious along with the ork warp field
Like oh, ork choppers are made up of metals they scavenged and sharpened (it was very strong metal that would be able to cut space marine armour if sharpened anyways)

[midnight totem]

THE BENEFICIENT EMPEROR GORK MORK

[terse idol]

There's also the goofy (almost non-canon stories like)

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grizgutz#:~:text=Grizgutz is an Ork Warlord,favourite gun as a spare.

My man's went back in time to kill himself to get his favourite gun again

[somber axle]

I have a theory that Orks are mostly colorblind and struggle with the ability to perceive purple in their lower state compared to Krorks and that in the distant past Krork infiltration squads/stealth commandos commonly used purple. This is a tiny idea still alive in Ork heads so they naturally believe purple is the stealthiest because most of them are incapable of seeing the colour to begin with

This is just a theory though

[terse idol]

I thought like canonically somehow ork commandos were stealthy still

Like to guardsmen

[somber axle]

They are yes. There's some Ork assassin (can't remember his name) that I think has some Space Marine stealth kills under his belt

[radiant chasm]

because it doesn't make them invisible, it just kinda, subconciously affects you to not recognize purple

hmmm

[thick kestrel]

they are, but it's more that Kommandos are another type of oddboy. they're mentally kind of different from other orks and have an affinity for stealth tactics.

[somber axle]

Imagine sneaking up on a space marine as an ORK

[shadow aurora]

Flawless ork ingenuity

[terse idol]

I feel like they're just using scrounged technology that incidentally makes them stealthier

[radiant chasm]

if you were a purple regiment, and their were purple orks in your midst, would everyone start having trouble perceiving each other

[terse idol]

So real

[midnight totem]

Looks like a space marine to me

[dawn garnet]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPZvjFNaAAEYsya.jpg

cadia bros......... i dont feel so good

[terse idol]

Also a good point

[somber axle]

I just changed to Professional last night

[terse idol]

I'm feeling so Catachin pilled bros fr

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-gear-up-gif-12923195

[dawn garnet]

went from cadian to loose cannon basic bitch ikn ikno

[shadow aurora]

Loose canon supremacy

[dawn garnet]

but loose cannons are so nice

[somber axle]

Loose Cannon is REALLY GOOD

I don't blame you

I was Loose Cannon from beta to yesterday

[dawn garnet]

id be friends with both of thm fr fr

[somber axle]

It's a very fun voice

[terse idol]

"TRAXIS SOMETHING... SNIPERR"

It's crazy to me how much beef professional and cutthroat have doe I'm gonna be real

[iron marten]

Loose Cannon and Professional banter is peak

[shadow aurora]

Youll fall apart just at the last minute... like cadia

[thick kestrel]

I do love how they fumble the codes compared to the professional ^^

[terse idol]

Professional hits the Cadian with a statement that's basically insulting a 9/11 survivor

[dawn garnet]

my favorite voice lines are when the same personalities are just supporting eachother loose cannon for vets and savant for psyker are the biggest culprits of this

[iron marten]

Yeah, professional usually spouts to be more like soldiers, and the cutthroat calling him a fool

[thick kestrel]

and of course rip them for kissing up to the Commissars

[dawn garnet]

its so funny seeing the two loose cannons jerking eachother off like bruh you are the same person stop it you count for one opnion anyhow

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR
Loose cannon had to be pretty good to have survived this long

[iron marten]

Male Pro and Female Pro having a convo is interesting though

[agile forge]

I just used it to adjust my height and names

[terse idol]

I changed from pro to cutthroat

I need mah

[iron marten]

Like the time they very briefly touched upon Atoma politics with the lords

[terse idol]

"SEVAH THE 'EAD THE BODY DIES"

Line

It goes so hard

[iron marten]

Infiltrate Cadian too

[terse idol]

Oh yeah!

[shadow aurora]

I WANNA HEAR EM SCREAM

[iron marten]

“This’ll be fun”

Though, I do reminisce switching back to Professional

I’ve played with that personality for like 900+ hours

I don’t miss Loner Psyker though, Seer is pretty funny

[terse idol]

I will also say Profesional VOC
Peak
And also because I can only remeber "LOK'TAR O GAR!"

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat says “amateur” (& other mockery words) when any other veteran has voicelines when reloading plasma

[somber axle]

Cutthroat is so traumatized and not holding together well. They're extra paranoid and feel like doom is around the corner. It's no surprise the Professional dunks on them for being so whiny LOL

[iron marten]

“Are you sure you can handle that weapon?”

“Stop complaining!”

[tall torrent]

“Afraid of a little heat?”

[dawn garnet]

REMEMBER YOUR TRAINING

[somber axle]

Professional still has hope that training, faith and firepower will see them through the day no matter what horrors they find

[midnight totem]

"Are you sure you can handle Cadi- oh wait"

[somber axle]

Cutthroat knows their best wasn't enough and they're waiting for the day their best isn't enough again

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-smoke-hat-steaming-bath-steam-bath-best-products-gif-13242760

[midnight totem]

Cut throat wasn't on Cadia

He would never know if his best wasn't good enough

[terse idol]

He was wasn't he?

[somber axle]

Depending on background you can make it so they were born there, trained there, served there, etc.

[terse idol]

He suggests he was Karsikan

[iron marten]

The zealot beef with the cutthroat is funny though.

“If only Cadia’s defenders were more faithful, things would be different.”

“You come here and say that!”

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat was supposedly deployed in neighbouring worlds surrounding Cadia (which got invaded as part of the 13th black crusade)

[somber axle]

Voice lines change too afaik

[tall torrent]

He said he watched his world fell

[somber axle]

Cutthroat is EXCLUSIVE to anyone who picked Cadia as their origin planet

[terse idol]

Personality scourge non-canon les goo

[somber axle]

They weren't there when Cadia broke but they are canonically Cadian

[midnight totem]

Well yeah, I mean he wasn't on planet when it broke

[terse idol]

I guess yeah

Cause if they were there

They'd be dead

[shadow aurora]

Couldve sworn it was loose canon. Even prof is tired of cutthroats whining LMAO

[iron marten]

Btw, off-topic question, is Space Marine 2 set after the fall of Cadia?

[somber axle]

The remains of Cadia are scattered debri resettled by chaos forces

[terse idol]

Prof gets miffed at cutthroat even if they are similar

[midnight totem]

Plenty of people survived, and were evaced

[somber axle]

Cadians don't have a home anymore

[midnight totem]

Yes

[somber axle]

Whatever Cadians remain are the last the Empire will ever know

Good luck collecting a tithe from a lost world

[tall torrent]

Idk why or how but my cutthroat doesn’t whine nearly as much as almost everybody else’s cutthroat

[terse idol]

I feel like it's that whole dichotomy of, professionally having to have spent hundreds of thousands of hours training and the cadian was born into training

[midnight totem]

They aren't

[iron marten]

I seee ty

[terse idol]

Eh something like that

[somber axle]

We're they given a new planet to populate?

[midnight totem]

It's actually the subject of a recent new book

[tall torrent]

There’s new Cadia yes

[terse idol]

Woah

[thick kestrel]

yeah, Cadia mass produced guardsmen, so there's a ton of Cardian Regiments still out and about and active, not all of them were on the planet during the siege.

[terse idol]

New to me

[somber axle]

Ooo that's COOL

[iron marten]

Something I’ve noticed with the cutthroat though, is that they don’t respond back to ogryns when they praise them.

[somber axle]

I hadn't heard of that

[iron marten]

At least, mine doesn't

[terse idol]

I know for sure cadians are probably adopted into other elite regiments

[shadow aurora]

If cadia was so good why isnt there a-oh.

[midnight totem]

Do you mind a few spoilers?

[shadow aurora]

Nah just spoiler tag it

[somber axle]

Just gotta pull Cadian Regiments off deployment, shove them with whatever survivors got evac'd and make them cozy for settling their new homeworld

[somber axle]

I don't, HIT ME

[tall torrent]

It’s very interesting that in almost every other depiction, Cadians are usually organized professional soldiers and then DT’s portrayal might as well be Khorne’s right hand man

[somber axle]

I do not own and have no current plans to own any 40k books

But I do love learning the lore

[iron marten]

One day, you will plans to have space for 65 books

[terse idol]

Look you can be organized and professional

And be unhinged

[shadow aurora]

And emotionally unstable

[terse idol]

I could definelty see cut throats barracks room being similar to Profesional

And loose cannon is just

A matress

On the floor

[last parcel]

peak

[shadow aurora]

They fight like dogs for mattress time

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-o-nella-fish-jenga-jenga-youtube-youtuber-gif-21993726

[shadow aurora]

NO-

[midnight totem]

Basically ||Ursarkar E. Creed. (The Cadian High General) always suspected one day Cadia would fall, and prepared a contingency plan and identified a number of vital worlds for the Cadian surviving regiments to settle and turn into new Fortress worlds, new Cadias. His daughter found the plans after returning to the remnants of Cadia and finding them in a vault guarded by some last survivors||

[umbral garnet]

"Traxis-12? Yeah, Traxis-12!" (It's not Traxis-12)

[terse idol]

Honestly maybe loose cannon has a few better things because he's definetly someone to haggle and trade with other troops for amenities

[agile forge]

Everything is traxis 12

Sniper? Traxis 12

[umbral garnet]

"Defense pattern—don't matter, just kill 'em"

I love Loose Cannon.

[agile forge]

Beast of nurgle? Traxis 12

[umbral garnet]

Fantastic delivery.

[last parcel]

i love how proud they sound when they say “yeah” there

[agile forge]

Friendly commissar? Traxis 12

[midnight totem]

Yer mum? Traxis 69

Gotem

[umbral garnet]

Lmao yes I live for it

[thick kestrel]

"PUT THE KARKIN' BOOT IN!"

[shadow aurora]

GRIND EM DOWN

[umbral garnet]

I still find it neat how the cutthroat and cannon are deathly afraid of the plasma gun.

[last parcel]

fLC is just having the time of her life there

[umbral garnet]

Professional just goes "Oo, ouch, oof"

[umbral garnet]

"COME OUT AND PLAY, HERETICS!"
"Will you cut that out? You're gonna bring the whole hive down on us."
"What's your point?"

[agile forge]

LC has apparently survived basically the worst the galaxy has to throw at you

CSM, nids

[last parcel]

ergo they are invincible

[agile forge]

At least

[umbral garnet]

I just love how tired and annoyed the loose cannon sounds at times.

[shadow aurora]

Dug trenches for scions

[thick kestrel]

yeah, fLC is clearly having way too much fun. fairly sure it's implied she's tied up with Masozi and Hallowette's smuggling shenanigans on the ship.

[midnight totem]

That's a power trio if I ever saw one

[tall torrent]

Loose cannon is genuinely terrified of plasma gun, cutthroat is coping (he hasn’t killed enough heretics to die to it yet), and professional is just “ouch that’s hot”

[umbral garnet]

Correct

[last parcel]

lc mentioning their smuggling to the savant always cracks me up

[terse idol]

I do have my head canon that LC has the same tactical know how as cadian and professional, he's just alot more loose with the military terminology
Definetly could lead a squad, even if that squad would be seen breaking into the commissars office to steal his hat as a prank

[thick kestrel]

they could almost certainly lead and get promoted (both mLC and fLC)... but they also know they want NOTHING to do with that so avoid it at all costs, hence their chaos gremlin tendencies ^^

[tall torrent]

I will say tho
The one disadvantage to teammates being LC is that they don’t callout very quickly

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[tall torrent]

Professional and cutthroat tells u exactly what enemies they see

[last parcel]

when i play LC, i never tag

[tall torrent]

LC is like “traxis smth smth… Sniper!”

[somber axle]

Yes 100%. It's funny that the Loose Cannon has arguably adapted best to the Inquisition life compared to Professional and Cutthroat

[somber axle]

This is REALLY cool

[iron marten]

Yeah, when I still had professional, and they shouted Traxis-1 near instantly despite not being able to see them is a godsend

[terse idol]

Sometimes to be fair

[iron marten]

Basically early warning system

[terse idol]

Other times he just calls them the laymens name

"SCAB GUNNER"

"SCAB SHOTGUNNAH"

[last parcel]

the amount of times my professional mentions being in the guard only to get reminded she got kicked out

[thick kestrel]

aye, which is probably why they're having so much fun working for the war band.

they're the kind of troopers that don't gel well in the organised structure of the guard... but working ad-hoc missions to cause maximum nonsense and getting a bit of extra leeway? they're loving it.

[tall torrent]

Yea if u tag enemy directly they call their names

But without tag they callout with codes

[iron marten]

“You’re not in the guard, remember?”

[somber axle]

Between Exe Stance and the node giving the team highlighted specials/elites and tag making them go gold outside of Exe Stance if a squad mate doesn't notice a problem coming when they're all flashing yellow then that's probably a sign they need to sleep or something because their reaction times are awful

[tall torrent]

Team highlight is pretty meh tho

If the refresh worked like any highlighted enemy dying gives u refresh, the team highlight would be better

[somber axle]

Depends on the mission modifier. It's invaluable in lights out and vent purge especially with sniper gauntlet

[last parcel]

use team highlight instead of relentless

[somber axle]

Your team knowing what's where and and how many is very important info

[tall torrent]

I don’t play lights out

[iron marten]

I just wished the refresh node for exe stance is built-in

[somber axle]

May stop the Ogryn from charging into the gunner line if he can see just how many of them there are and the poxbursters behind them

[tall torrent]

Also I just wanna tell u that

If u tweak light shadows in config file

[last parcel]

nah i’d win

[agile forge]

Sometimes you can't afford team highlight too

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is basically wall hacks and that's insanely good info that can let you respond to threats better

[tall torrent]

U can technically make lights out look like brightide

[agile forge]

Fucking vet tree has too much good stuff

[iron marten]

Hab Dreyko lights out gives me nightmares. Imagine walking into a room with a scanner, not knowing 5 shotgunners are staring at you

[somber axle]

Prefire every sniper that pokes their head around a corner

[tall torrent]

Because u can actually remove all shadows in the config setting

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-fromage-gif-4753444

[somber axle]

Are your eyes ok turning up brightness that high

Or is this a silly moment of turning down graphics so much the PS2 graphics don't render shadows

[thick kestrel]

lights out is delightfully fun though :>

[tall torrent]

It’s not brightness setting

It’s to make the game not render shadows at all

[thick kestrel]

wonderfully thematic

[tall torrent]

It’s thematic but plays horribly in every way possible

[somber axle]

That sounds like it just makes the game look worse tbh

[thick kestrel]

eh, more to the game than pure gameplay optimisation. sometimes janky chaos is worth it.

happy enough to work with it

[somber axle]

I know some Call of Duty had a thing where turning off grass gave you an advantage because you could see people prone on the ground where high graphic people would have no idea

[tall torrent]

U can also tweak volumetric setting to turn fog off in vent purge

[somber axle]

I don't live that life

[somber axle]

Yeah but like why even play those missions at that point

[tall torrent]

This one is a big more specific

[somber axle]

Doesn't that ruin the fun

[tall torrent]

Because they’re bad?

Lights out is a horrible modifier

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat one day I will teach you what the word "fun" means

It's not in your dictionary

[tall torrent]

No, lights out just is not fun lmao

[somber axle]

It's really fun for me but I love horror games so

[tall torrent]

Being forced to run flashlight weapons is not fun

[somber axle]

I also tend to use lasguns

[last parcel]

different strokes for different folks i guess

[somber axle]

Recons and Infantry Lasguns both have flashlights

[tall torrent]

Having forced low visibility is not fun

[somber axle]

I also use Exe Stance

So the game being low visibility means my loadout and talent build work well

[tall torrent]

Yea lights out monster specialist scab no ammo

[somber axle]

And my Exe Stance giving the squad special/elite highlight helps them see too

[tall torrent]

Monster specialist scab no ammo is fine

[somber axle]

Info is important

[tall torrent]

Lights out just destroys gameplay

[somber axle]

And seeing priority threats helps people choose targets correctly

[midnight totem]

I don't mind lights out

[somber axle]

Plus with Tactical Awareness you can basically spam it to keep showing the squad where problems are

I love it

LOL

[midnight totem]

Because I already play the maps so much I can move through them in the da- slips off a ledge

[tall torrent]

It’s not about being able to move in the dark, I can do that too

[somber axle]

I still fall off that little ledge near the showers right after the drop down near the medicae station (I don't remember the map name LOL) because the corner is missing railings by the one corner used to peek the doorway to watch for specials/elites following in from behind you

[tall torrent]

It’s the fact that the sneakier enemies become even bigger of a problem and being forced to run builds that specifically tailor to lights out (that don’t work well for additional modifiers of said maelstrom) sucks

Infantry Lasgun in scab no ammo monster specialist is genuinely not that great

Recon in that isn’t great either

[midnight totem]

I never run a lasgun

thats what I use my flamer zealots for

[somber axle]

Recon Reclowns living their best life

[tall torrent]

You don’t have many flashlight options in the first place

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[tall torrent]

Recon in scab no ammo is somewhat trolling

[iron marten]

I still wish pox gas wasn't a thing lol

I wish qp would allow me to pick conditions I don't want to queue into

[tall torrent]

Pox gas is not as bad as lights out

Vent purge is ok

[umbral garnet]

Numbers cat, no offense to you, but you're the guy who said efficiency always wins.

I cannot trust your opinions on modifiers.

[tall torrent]

So?

Are u telling me that recon is one of the most efficient weapons in scab no ammo?

Or smth else

[gilded rock]

Upgraded from this to this

[umbral garnet]

Naw, that I agree with. I'm not daft.

I

Am simply saying, to each their own.

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

I’ll also say that

Exe stance in lights out

Is not as good

As having a Psyker who just lights everything on Soulblaze

[somber axle]

I disagree. Better for dealing with threats in close range. Worse for spotting specials/elites on approach from afar

So contextually better but not universally better

[tall torrent]

Vent goes 30m

[somber axle]

Ask them how well Vent works on Sniper Gauntlets

[tall torrent]

Vent purge is not the same thing as lights out

I specifically said lights out

[somber axle]

Sure and even then snipers/bombers spawning >30m out are still a problem

[tall torrent]

In lights out?

Sniper lasers still show in lights out

[somber axle]

This is also relying on having a Psyker with Vent Creeping Flames

[tall torrent]

Scab bomber glows red

[somber axle]

As Vets unless you swap class or have a Psyker friend that isn't an option

[tall torrent]

Pox bomber is sneaky altogether yea

[somber axle]

But as Vet we do have the option to get Exe Stance team highlight

No matter the team comp now you are playing spotter for the squad

[raw steppe]

Dogshit to nicer smelling dogshit

[somber axle]

Giving invaluable info for both Lights Out and Vent Purge

[tall torrent]

What about the other modifiers that can come with lights out

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-gif-26556764

[somber axle]

Which ones do you specifically

[tall torrent]

I just said one, lights out monster specialist scab no ammo

[terse idol]

Turns on flashlight

[tall torrent]

You really don’t have that many options with exe stance in this kind of modifier

[somber axle]

Yeah that's fine because Exe Stance + Squad highlight is usable on any weapon loadout

Not just lasguns with flashlights

[somber axle]

Though I still use my Recon (even if I know others probably do not and should not LOL)

[north raptor]

it's just perpetually jammed.

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u running with it then

Recon in that kind of modifier is basically trolling

[last parcel]

shredder autopistol

[tall torrent]

If u wanted to use smth actually good what would u go with

[somber axle]

Boltgun my beloved

Helbore Mk II

Recon Mk VId

[tall torrent]

Boltgun?

[somber axle]

Yes

[tall torrent]

In monster specialist scab no ammo?

Seriously?

[somber axle]

I love Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Scab no ammo?

Boltgun?

[somber axle]

Yes

[last parcel]

wtf

[tall torrent]

Alr I’ve heard enough

[north raptor]

i like boltgun too

[somber axle]

It's ok numbers cat

Only clowns can wear these shoes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/to-the-depths-with-you-cat-depths-to-the-depths-gif-7441909642438936732

[somber axle]

If it makes no sense to you, it never will

[tall torrent]

I’m just

Not gonna inquire on ur opinion abt builds

Ever

[somber axle]

My nose honks and my feet jingle when I walk

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

That's fair my builds are not for you LOL

They're for me and anyone crazy enough to do what I do

I can give people a disclaimer if you want whenever I recommend Boltgun builds though

"Not recommended by numbers cat for No Ammo Maelstrom Monstrosity Lights Out Aurics"

"Beware unless you feel as funny as a clown"

[north raptor]

i love this

[tall torrent]

I’m simply not gonna include it in the guide

[somber axle]

Yeah because your guide is for Veterans. My builds are for clowns. We both kill what we shoot but Wolfer is more disappointed in his men when I walk by

[last parcel]

legitimately, how are you using bolter in no ammo maelstrom

[somber axle]

[last parcel]

because i want to know how

[tall torrent]

Flak to elite
Rampage to power cycler 4

[somber axle]

I am a clown and idk how else to explain why I do Boltgun and it's fine for me

[umbral garnet]

Just don't shoot a lot.

Ezpz lemon squeezy

[somber axle]

But if you catch me in queue

You can watch me dance with my mailbox gun

[last parcel]

i didn't ask why, i asked how

because i have no idea how that works unless it's just an accessory while you shank all the crushers to death

[somber axle]

I mostly use it for killing priority targets + I built it to 2HKO Crushers but yeah I do rely more heavily on melee than my Boltgun

I can try to figure out some way of recording matches and start uploading to YouTube to show people how goofy I am but I don't want to be a youtuber

Gyazo gif fails me every day for only maxing out at 6 seconds

[iron marten]

I run knife and helbore and I can feel being a detriment to the team at times lol

[somber axle]

I ran a bunch of matches last night with my Helbore Mk II and felt like I was carrying

And I confirmed it in at least one match when I went down and the rest of the squad fell apart immediately after

[umbral garnet]

LMAO that feels so real

[somber axle]

How to know you are the load bearing pillar of this barely held together home: the whole team crashes and burns the instant you fall

[umbral garnet]

Only Vet with VoC on the team, I died, everything just collapsed.

No other support ability on the team.

[iron marten]

it's not that hard for me to see

15 mins into match. everyone on one wound, I lost 10 hp since the beginning.

[somber axle]

When you're the only one still full HP partway into a match you know you're in for a fun time LMFAO

[umbral garnet]

Sometimes... you're just better.

[somber axle]

It's extra funny being the only person who hasn't taken damage yet halfway through a level

[iron marten]

idk, it used to only happen like once in a blue moon

all of a sudden it happens like 3 times a day

[somber axle]

The more you practice, the better you are

[iron marten]

what's with the influx of, I don't want to say bad, but obviously new to auric players

[somber axle]

Penance update brought back a lot of returning players and pushed players into higher difficulty content chasing penance points

[iron marten]

this only started like this week though

hmmm

[somber axle]

So it's a lot less rare to run into problem squads who need a problem solver to get them to a win

[umbral garnet]

I still feel Vet is the most spoiled class.

[somber axle]

I think Ogryn gives us a run for our money because of just how impossible to kill they are in the right hands but yeah generally I'd agree

[iron marten]

ok, I complain about bad teammates, but then I complained about two psykers cleaning house and being bored out of my mind

[umbral garnet]

LOL

I was in a match with two plas vets once.

The most uneventful time of my life.

[somber axle]

Full Vet Squad is my fav team comp in quickplay

https://tenor.com/view/republic-commando-gif-27711476

[umbral garnet]

There was a great screenshot I got at some point, one second

[somber axle]

Seeing the boys and girls rolling up ready to shoot everything in sight is a dream

[silent stump]

Does anybody ever use smoke bombs?

[umbral garnet]

The commissar and his ogryns.

[somber axle]

Yes why do you ask?

[iron marten]

hello

[silent stump]

just curious, I'm experimenting with them

[umbral garnet]

Sometimes.

[last parcel]

No, literally nobody in the entire history of this game. You're the first one!

[somber axle]

They're pretty fun and have crazy amounts of uptime if you grab Grenade Tinkerer and Demolitions Stockpile to increase duration from 15 sec to 30 sec and have smoke regen on a 1 min timer. You'll end up being able to do 2 minutes and 30 seconds of constant smoke iirc

They sorta make Flamers, Trappers, Hounds, Snipers, Gunners and Shotgunners extra stupid too

[silent stump]

true, but besides blocking fov for ranged enemies have you thought of any other use for them? Not being sarcastic, just curious

[somber axle]

Hounds LOL

The literally just run in circles barking if everyone is in smoke

They trivialize Shotgunner squads

Very effective tool in the right hands

[silent stump]

seems like there's more to them than I initially thought

[somber axle]

There are a lot of fun details to them but someone like Mr. Craime would know more if you can get a chance to poke him for info

Afaik he uses Smokes with Plasma, VoC and Power Sword so he knows the ins and outs of the smoke grenades better than most

One of the best Vet players in the discord

[agile forge]

Smokes are great

[midnight totem]

The Guard gets it done!

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-battle-march-march-gif-25117763

I watched the SODAZ animation for 40k again last night and was overcome with the desire to play Helbore Mk II with Krieg cosmetics

[midnight totem]

He's got a lot of good ones

[last parcel]

the dude with the anti tank grenades strapped to his chest 👌 🔥 👌

[somber axle]

The ending when the Krieg squadron charge a fucking Khornate Berserker to distract the Chaos Space Marine from finishing off their friendly Space Marine gives me chills every time

The lead Krieger thrusting his hand forward and the whole squad charging zero hesitation

[midnight totem]

There's also this one

[somber axle]

YESSSS

[midnight totem]

https://youtu.be/hmv9YA2pS-g?si=FJrl6bzYj4nN3Fkp

[somber axle]

Love that dude

All that death was to distract the Khornate Berserker

Draw him away from their Angel

Save their Space Marine and lure the Chaos Space Marine to a safe distance to kill him

The Khornate Berserker wanted blood and the Kriegers were ready to drown him to death in theirs

My other fav moment was the bayonet charge at the heretic trenches

Heretics shoot off a flare to see the oncoming Kriegers

Artillery see the flare and you can practically feel how giddy they are that the enemy just gave away their position LMFAO

[midnight totem]

Watch this one too. It's by another animator though

[somber axle]

I will once I get home

As chatty as I have been, I'm still at work LOL

Just kinda fucking around and hoping I don't find out

https://tenor.com/view/find-out-fuck-around-fuck-around-and-find-out-gif-27076170

[midnight totem]

Lol

https://youtu.be/yPqMRhPq--M?si=Iwiwb8qeQ9iprGIb

If only our bolt pistol will be this powerful

[somber axle]

https://youtu.be/-nIJdHn1FFE?si=avxgOXD8G6iVmCB3

Kinda wild how much love Krieg has for videos and things

https://youtu.be/XA3RmSKVnOw?si=TbMh5eE55vrNBfcw

I wish we could have a scoped Helbore like the one the Krieg Sniper used in Kill Team

[thick kestrel]

yeah, they kind of became the headline guard regiment for a bit.

Catachans and Cadians have both had that spot before

[somber axle]

I dream of the day Elysians get the spotlight

[thick kestrel]

the Kreigers are... fine? they fit 40k's vibe fairly well even if there's an unfortunate amount of people missing the point of them (tragedy and generational trauma is kind of their deal, to go with the ww1 stylings, very grimdark).

[hexed cliff]

these guys are my favourite

[somber axle]

The robot arm is a pretty cool touch

I want more Vet cosmetics with cybernetic prosthetics

I want to be 90% robot if at all possible

[thick kestrel]

and y'know... those types of warhammer fans... the ones who see "Krieg" and get very weird about it all... the same kinds of people who like the Black Templars a bit too much...

I genuinely hope that if we ever get Krieger's in live action they have profoundly thick french accents to match their WW1 uniforms... the fallout would be delightful :>

[last parcel]

the half life sfx

[somber axle]

I read a story where a Krieger, during parade march through a city, spotted a little girl with a flower. They locked eyes and she held out the flower for him. He didn't take it. But the next time he was on parade march she was there again looking for him. And despite it all she saw him amongst the sea of others dressed the same and held the flower out to him again. He took it that time when he thought no one was looking and kept it in his helmet. His last thoughts were of her. That he fights and dies to protect humanity. Hers is the face he last thinks of as he falls. That he would die to ensure she could live a life never knowing the horrors he faces and he would do so gladly as many times as it would take

Idk if it is an official story or fanon

But it was a very good story

[uncut token]

The reason a soldier fights

[hearty panther]

I just need a pension dude

[thick kestrel]

I suspect Fanon, good though

Krieg in lore is... more depressing and less hopeful than that... honestly a lot of the stuff on them is bleak. they're not that fun a lot of the time honestly.

[somber axle]

Birmingham accents would be the funniest way it could end

[thick kestrel]

^^

[hearty panther]

ROIGHT-O CHAPS

[thick kestrel]

I'm still delightfully amused at the Valhallans having Welsh accents according to the Caiphus Cain audio books. works wonderfully ^^

[keen rampart]

Does anyone know where i can find example veteran build ?

[junior needle]

I have decided to call in the result of your bet sometime after the patch drops

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/run-cat-running-goofy-kitty-silly-cat-running-away-gif-9255357527903375512

[somber axle]

Catachan and Cadian have a running bet on who can get the Kriegsman to speak first. The whole time they are 100% silent to the point the other two begin to suspect they may be mute. At the very end the Cadian and Catachan are comparing how terrible the current states of their planets are and then the Kriegsman finally says something and it's just this:

https://youtu.be/NeeRqMB9WFI?si=J4AcAtwciwWnoaGr

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-after-watching-every-horror-movie-at-night-shocked-scary-terrified-maya-rudolph-gif-16720729

[somber axle]

Ok well let me know when you want to do this I guess LMFAO

[junior needle]

You have roughly 3 weeks to mentally prepare

[somber axle]

The waiting is going to kill me tbh

[hexed cliff]

Helldivers 2 is getting catachans before darktide

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-ground-drop-oof-oop-die-play-dead-gif-18928206

[midnight totem]

Helldivers 2 catachans was just malevolent creek

[somber axle]

Did they finally add melee weapons or something?

[somber axle]

Yeah LMFAO

[thick kestrel]

actually one of the very first cosmetics sold for veterans was a Catachan set. has some good bits for mixing.

[somber axle]

THROWING KNIFE??

Ok maybe I'll try HD2 again

[thick kestrel]

aye, grenade alternative ^^

[hexed cliff]

The creek broke before the guard

[keen rampart]

malevolent creek is overrated it not that hard

[hexed cliff]

I think it used to be glitched and would spawn too many enemies

[midnight totem]

This armor plus the knives and a heavy mg

Time for first blood

[somber axle]

If you do not know the meme, you joined too late to ever know it

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-sly-stallone-sylvester-stallone-rambo-shooting-gif-23795383

[keen rampart]

lmao i and my friend clear that sh*t hole daily XD

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-dancing-marcus-gif-24348421

Since you asked me to play sometime I figure that can be done at the same time

[thick kestrel]

the creek pre-devistator fixes... it was... a very different vibe...

[last parcel]

shut your dogfucker mouth
we lost a lot of good men on the creek

[keen rampart]

i mean we have the rail gun pre neft and the ani-mat rifle

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-1000-yard-stare-pfp-discord-typicaljitt-gif-4980154431572290299

[hexed cliff]

and back before when malevelon creek was patched all the weapons were shit as well lol

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-war-gif-9661210

[keen rampart]

it just that nobody notice to use that also the autocannon

[midnight totem]

Helldivers 2: necrons on one side, tyranids on the other

[thick kestrel]

and Eldar on the way...

[keen rampart]

i'm in it too you know imagine trying to do creeek when everyone too focus on bug 😦

[somber axle]

You do not know the days when the game was new. The players were new. The early time when people were learning, adapting. People threw themselves into a grinder. The Creek fell a few times. Once someone left their game logged in at work when Malevelon Creek fell. They were still on the mission screen for Malevelon when the planet went dark. As the last soldier alive he fought and won, causing the planet to hit liberation again. He kicked open the door from the inside and let more divers back on the ground. You will never know the legend of what that time was like. You will walk on the ashes and blood of the fallen never understanding the honour of sharing the space of the better divers who learned the tactics that make you think it is a cakewalk

[hexed cliff]

[midnight totem]

It kinda makes me wish Fatshark would focus on and release the GSC

[hexed cliff]

What’s GSC

[midnight totem]

I want to duel a purebred

[junior needle]

It'd probably just be reskins of the existing enemies if they did

[midnight totem]

Genestealer Cult

[thick kestrel]

Gene Stealer Cults

[hexed cliff]

Oh yeah

Terminids

[thick kestrel]

they're highly likely to be an alternate enemy, linked to the second hive we keep "not" hearing about

[last parcel]

🫳👖

[junior needle]

JEAN STEALERS

PROTECT YOUR PANTS

[wanton dawn]

Someone getting frisky

[thick kestrel]

and a smart choice in a lot of ways, there's a lot of room for reusing existing animations and "base" models for the standard cultists which would help them save effort.

the big flavour changes would be for unique specialists and monstrosities.

[keen rampart]

and still everyone freaking go back to fight bug right after that 😦

[hexed cliff]

I want an enemy faction that uses more ranged than melee

[midnight totem]

Hilariously enough

[static rune]

The aliens.

[hexed cliff]

how

[static rune]

Mind controlling bastards they are

[hexed cliff]

They spit on you or some shit

[last parcel]

would

[midnight totem]

Heightened libido is a symptom of having been subverted by genestealers

[thick kestrel]

pure-strains, Kellermorphs, Aberrants, the Abominant, metamorphs etc

[midnight totem]

You get the urge to propagate and breed, and have lots of hybrid xenos bastards

In other words

@last parcel inquisitor, that's the one right there

[thick kestrel]

it's the specialists and elites which would be what gives them a different flavour.

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/say-ah-hiss-back-off-get-away-warning-gif-13572552

[iron marten]

oops

[somber axle]

Both the game and the community were just different then

[thick kestrel]

Ha!

[somber axle]

Playing during the first week or even the first month is a very different experience to playing now

[last parcel]

that hud is a war crime

[iron marten]

what's wrong with, as one person put it, jet pilot seat hud

[hexed cliff]

I’m glad that’s when I started it was so easy to farm back then

[keen rampart]

the constant alt+tab crash i have 🤣 it still happen sometime till now but the first month i play when ever i alt+tab the game crash

[hexed cliff]

My game used to blue screen my computer when I tried to close it

[keen rampart]

that happen to alot of people too most blame the anti-cheat

[hexed cliff]

Yeah I think they fixed it

but if u wanna see a fuck ton of bugs try Star citizen

[keen rampart]

i'm a broke college student. my financial can't afford a 10k ship 🤣

[hexed cliff]

U can get into it for like 50 bucks

[faint beacon]

Fought like, easily 4-5 times at Creek probably more but I can back up how fucking much it was a living hell to fight on there

even once I became a more Adjusted player

shit was still brutal