#veteran-class
midnight totem
New beneg? Fuck yeah
Haha
I know some graha fans who'd murder me for sharing that with them
Immadoit
somber axle
I love G'raha
I have a plushie of him on my desk
I still thought that was hilarious LOL
static rune
Random question was Tidus a Final Fantasy character or am I stupid
somber axle
he is yes
static rune
Ok cool
Cause when I was talking about Demon's Souls yesterday I remembered the video where someone put his laugh over the Tower Knight theme
frank ocean
18 minutes of pure paranoia later, first For The Emperor 3 achieved! Also only leaves a handful of easy penances left for me to have all Vet Pens done!
somber axle
18 minutes of pure paranoia later, first For The Emperor 3 achieved! Also only l...
CONGRATS!
midnight totem
That is adorable
somber axle
welcome to the COOL helmet club
midnight totem
Also congrats!
frank ocean
Got tapped once or twice with full toughness, but yeah I was panic firing so much into hordes and like checking behind me every other second lmao
midnight totem
You have now acquired more drip you will never use
frank ocean
Basically just have the Marksman Focus and Krak grenade penances, along with doing 27 more missions and I'll have Vet done
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insert lawbringer essay here
static rune
https://youtu.be/nBeuDEN0jAo?si=CJbL2JtGUdCEVyfl
tall marsh
lmao, or do the crab stance
tall marsh
Krak one is pretty quick if you play on Auric. Especially during Only Melee, mostly scab.
frank ocean
Yeah, the main thing was I didn't know the normal scab enemies also counted so I was mainly saving my Kraks for Crushers/Ogryns and Monsters
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AD MORTEM INIMICUS
you ever let the controller rumble on your balls while doing the neck execution
somber axle
DID SOMEONE SAY LAWBREAKER MEMES??
somber axle
yeah just get scattershot/manstopper and you're good
you can run any ability you want, any grenade you want, any melee you want
frank ocean
God I am so glad I got Overwatch/untouchable done. I was fully expecting to be stuck on it for ages
static rune
I use the impaler because I used to watch Cartoonz play FH and his main was LB with the impaler execution and Flying Lys wings
So I also got the Flying Lys wings lmao
lost cosmos
mk VI powersword or the MK XIIIg chainsword
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mk VI powersword or the MK XIIIg chainsword
usually, power sword
somber axle
I'd personally go Chainsword but I know most would prefer the Power Sword. XIIIg is just good for horde clear. Power Sword can do horde clear effectively and still chews through Carapace
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revved up chainsword makes for a good back massage
lost cosmos
usually, power sword
the top rated veteran build says to use the chainsword tho
somber axle
which is important because you're never going to be able to run to reach any of them
mobility is the only problem
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the top rated veteran build says to use the chainsword tho
can u send what that build looks like
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can u send a link to it
lost cosmos
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savage sweep chad
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https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a565016-bd70-4fe0-8c82-1080bc73412e/ve...
the guy who made is clueless about weapon breakpoints
and has an incomplete understanding of veteran's talent tree
rending strikes is basically never relevant for plasma
lost cosmos
what do u reccomend instead
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doesn't change chainsword breakpoints either
Mk13g chainsword only rly has 2 build options
u go either wrath + rampage, or wrath + shred
mk13g doesn't have enough cleave to activate rampage on its own most of the time
bitter turtle
what do u reccomend instead
Chainsword is actually a decent pair with plasma but I would suggest the mk4 over 13
If you do go 13
Do wrath, not savage sweep
Savage sweep is for the mk4
Also elite+flak/maniac for plasma, not whatever they wrote there
rocky jacinth
you can take marksman over rending strikes for that juicy boss damage
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the guy who wrote that seems clueless about breakpoints in general
I wouldn't trust most builds out there
somber axle
Target Down and Redirect Fire are good for Plasma
I wouldn't take 8 stack on Plasma though
Unnecessary
static rune
revved up chainsword makes for a good back massage
Real
somber axle
Yeah but I love Target Down for the stam/toughness restore to both myself and the squad as a powerful support tool
optional but still terrific
torn moat
Also elite+flak/maniac for plasma, not whatever they wrote there
Is flak necessary for Plasma? I didn't think it hit any breakpoints
bitter turtle
Is flak necessary for Plasma? I didn't think it hit any breakpoints
Ask path/numbercat, I run elite/maniac, I just am parroting what he said for flak
midnight totem
Maulers bodyshots I think
torn moat
I always took Manic + Unyielding. Now I'm going to have to rethink my perks for Plasma
somber axle
The only reason to prefer one perk over another is if it is helping you hit an important breakpoint. If it isn't, the extra damage is pretty much just fluff
somber axle
umbral scaffold
Which of the three combat abilities are the most fitting for an elysian drop trooper? I'm thinking Infiltrate but I'm not sure
somber axle
Do you have Power Cycler IV and Brutal Momentum or Sunder on your Power Sword?
somber axle
It's a slow weapon but it absolutely empties entire waves with a couple swings here and there
Oh ok you're leveling
yeah don't worry
bitter turtle
Power sword needs pcycler blessing at least to be good
bitter turtle
Don't bother with it until you are lvl 30
somber axle
no power cycler Power Sword absolutely is mid
I'd probably say low tier
not even mid
no power cycler and it's just bad
bitter turtle
Ya it's pretty bad with only 1 charged swing
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Is flak necessary for Plasma? I didn't think it hit any breakpoints
flak gives scab gunner 1 bodyshot, scab rager 1 headshot (with agile), mauler 3 bodyshot (2 if 1 crit), and dreg rager 1 chest shot (with agile)
maniac gives u both flamer 1 bodyshot (with agile)
and less talent requirement for dreg rager 1 headshot
I think flak gives more for what it's worth
midnight totem
If you're level 19
rocky jacinth
i feel like ragers aren't a big deal since they get put on the ground from a shot
midnight totem
Highly suggest you just get a half decent chainsword
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i feel like ragers aren't a big deal since they get put on the ground from a sho...
and headshot vs rager isn't most consistent
midnight totem
Level up, learn melee from there
rocky jacinth
yeah
somber axle
chainsword/plasma cover their weaknesses while leveling well
Chainsword can't touch Crushers but Plasma melts them
midnight totem
Unless you make a specific chainsword build
somber axle
yeah but while leveling (especially for a first time Vet with no blessings) it's not an option
midnight totem
It's always an option
gilded rock
no power cycler Power Sword absolutely is mid
Atp they should just make the blessing base kit because of how mandatory it is
somber axle
you are at the mercy of whatever you get
somber axle
Atp they should just make the blessing base kit because of how mandatory it is
that would make Power Sword become much, much sillier by freeing up a blessing slot
gilded rock
Ah yes, today I will equip my negative 4 dodge limit melee weapon without the only thing that makes it good
somber axle
suddenly you could take both BM and Sunder if Power Sword gets 3 charged strikes baseline
gilded rock
that would make Power Sword become much, much sillier by freeing up a blessing s...
They can tune other blessings to compensate but I agree
Maybe it should stay where it is though since it's been such a pain for them to balance forever now
north raptor
HELP i must escape my power sword but i cant roll a shovelllll
rocky jacinth
it was baseline at launch 
and power cycler let you swing like 6 times
maybe give it a recharging battery with a meter and you hold down the button to get powered swings with no animation
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Atp they should just make the blessing base kit because of how mandatory it is
the discussion we need to have is for them to delete brutal momentum and just make combat axes' base attacks have BM's function but have limited targets depending on the attack
vast edge
Besides the obvious, are there any other exceptional firearms the Vet can utilize?
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Besides the obvious, are there any other exceptional firearms the Vet can utiliz...
laspistol mk2, infantry lasgun mg1a and mg4, all 3 infantry autoguns, vraks 3 and 7 headhunter, plasma, zarona revolver, agripinaa braced autogun, all 3 helbore lasguns
somber axle
Yes
Even Shredder Autopistols can be made into funny weapons for Auric Damnation
LOL
midnight totem
Time to go home and kill (more) heretics
lost cosmos
and has an incomplete understanding of veteran's talent tree
what should i do instead for it
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post the gif 
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what should i do instead for it
since ur lv19, I think u can run mk4 chainsword + infantry autogun for levelling up
both are pretty easy to play and do well enough for ur current lvl
lost cosmos
since ur lv19, I think u can run mk4 chainsword + infantry autogun for levelling...
no for the skill tree
lost cosmos
im lvl 19 so i got everything unlocked
north raptor
even discord doesnt believe your talent tree
lost cosmos
im lvl 19 so i got everything unlocked
weapons wise
lost cosmos
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1246318254474133594/i...
alr thanks
north raptor
ok so youre stacking the hell out of ability use, right?
somber axle
if you swap Duck and Dive into Close Quarters Kill Zone you can make it even funnier
somber axle
ok so youre stacking the hell out of ability use, right?
stacking the hell out of damage
GLASS CLOWN CANNON
as I always do
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no for the skill tree
lost cosmos
urs or sneaky cats
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added talent rating for talent tree section in guide (WIP)
somber axle
I'm not even using +Carapace perk on the autopistol either
I should swap that over to see how funny it gets
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urs or sneaky cats
aren't u lv19?
lost cosmos
aren't u lv19?
yeah
north raptor
witchcraft
somber axle
urs or sneaky cats
don't do what I do while you're leveling/learning the game
lost cosmos
oh alr
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u don't have all 30 points to play his build
somber axle
anyone can warn you that what I do is not normal or safe
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added talent rating for talent tree section in guide (WIP)
@somber axle wdyt
lost cosmos
but i'll do the other one
bitter turtle
oh alr
I'm all for meme builds but their build is a meme, js
Too bad soldier 69 isn't here to write 3 paragraph in response to it
lost cosmos
are there even any good ones on there
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are there even any good ones on there
gameslantern?
lost cosmos
ye
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I wouldn't trust any build on there lol
psyker is sorta different because psyker can legitimately bypass entire game mechanics to an extent
veteran actually has to engage with most of the mechanics in this game
hearty panther
-laughs in gold toughness-
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-laughs in gold toughness-
somber axle
added talent rating for talent tree section in guide (WIP)
I'm surprised Fully Loaded isn't in the Great category tbh especially after Surv Aura nerfs. Are there any builds that don't benefit from +25% ammo?
I 100% agree with putting Deadshot in Niche. It's one of my fav abilities but it will CRIPPLE people if they use it incorrectly. They need to practice with it and learn how it feels per weapon and have stam curios to offset the drain for some of the higher fire rate weapons too.
I think it's called Chink in their Armour and not Crack in their Armour though but I'd have to check to be sure
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most, not all
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I'm surprised Fully Loaded isn't in the Great category tbh especially after Surv...
it is
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I'm surprised Fully Loaded isn't in the Great category tbh especially after Surv...
it's in "good" but not "great" because most builds take is as a very nice bonus on the way to superiority complex
if u don't take superiority, chances are u won't take fully loaded
and yes the game calls it chink
I'm avoiding legal troubles here
somber axle
I'm surprised you put Smoke Grenades into Good instead of Niche because that's the one grenade that requires a Vet to do at least a tiny bit of thinking for using it instead of just chucking it at enemies when they're in trouble
somber axle
I'm avoiding legal troubles here
OH I FORGOT THE SLUR
bitter turtle
I'm surprised Fully Loaded isn't in the Great category tbh especially after Surv...
I think of it as:
Is there any build that would take fully loaded without going to superiority complex?
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I'm surprised you put Smoke Grenades into Good instead of Niche because that's t...
it's very simple, throw at ur own feet like ninja
somber axle
I'm half asian and I've never heard it
frank ocean
I swear the grenade penances are so picky when it comes to what counts as an enemy affected by it. Mainly when I was doing the Smoke grenade and Immolation grenade ones
somber axle
I think of it as:
Is there any build that would take fully loaded without going...
I do it sometimes but I am a clown so rational people may not agree with the things I do
rocky jacinth
chink in one's armor is a common idiom i don't think anybody's gonna give you grief over it
bitter turtle
Well, even if you do sometimes, you have to admit
midnight totem
Snake grenades don't take any real effort to use
midnight totem
Toss it on yourself, toss it on your enemy, all work
bitter turtle
Most go to superiority or just stop at precision
bitter turtle
Toss it on yourself, toss it on your enemy, all work
Toss on enemy does not work
midnight totem
Really?
somber axle
I go past Fully Loaded and take Shock Trooper without Superiority Complex on my original Recon build but for funny clown science numbers build forsaking all utility/defense in favour of just raw damage I take Superiority Complex with a Recon too
midnight totem
I mean I could've swore it worked
bitter turtle
I go past Fully Loaded and take Shock Trooper without Superiority Complex on my ...
Even then! You took it to get to shock trooper in that case
bitter turtle
I think it's difficult to justify it alone is all
somber axle
they'll still shoot in a straight line to where they last saw you
midnight totem
Lame
somber axle
and if they get LoS on you again they switch their firing back onto you
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tossing at an enemy only disrupts their LoS yeah?
it's not a LoS problem
smoke exists entirely for the concealment effect
which needs u to be inside smoke
bitter turtle
tossing at an enemy only disrupts their LoS yeah?
Let me try that but I think in general it's better to just throw it on yourself
hearty panther
it's a buff for you not a debuff on the enemy
somber axle
yeah it is better in general to be in the cloud
but it should also keep shooters firing in a straight line if a smoke cloud is between you and them
if I could spawn enemies that would shoot me in the Psykanium I would test this to verify it
but I'm almost completely certain the cloud acts like an invisible wall
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4th smoke buff in a row let's go
midnight totem
Nurgle infection 
midnight totem
Only one thing to do now. I commend your soul to the Emperor
midnight totem
somber axle
i lost all my sense of taste for salty things
oh that's bad
do you have the Recon Mk co VId
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I'm so in love with them
midnight totem
Covid?
somber axle
yeah
somber axle
the fly boys and fly girls have my heart in a way no other regiment could ever hope to reach
bitter turtle
lol
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bitter turtle
i dont think its covid
but who knows
my SO and I both got it and he tested negative wsith a 2 month expired test
:^)
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i lost all my sense of taste for salty things
I got hit by COVID-19000 a week ago
still recovering
somber axle
midnight totem
I like stories of Guardsmen fighting Chaos Marines
somber axle
I got covid after I had started exercising post-break up
my body was sore after exercising
covid made the body aches SO MUCH WORSE
midnight totem
Oof
somber axle
probably the worst pain in my life second only to when I broke my leg because the pain was so intense I couldn't even think
do not do what I do
hearty panther
not breaking your leg is usually solid advice
somber axle
not breaking your leg is usually solid advice
listen I was a child and wanted to beat my sibling in a ballerina spin off competition on a recently mopped floor while wearing socks
as it turns out wet floor + socks is fantastic for momentum
but terrible for stopping that momentum
spin on one leg
put down other leg to try to stop (because spins ONLY counted if you could land it)
second leg stopped
body and first leg continued rotato
midnight totem
Physics
somber axle
and then my leg was in a cast and I became a potato
somber axle
spiral fracture right up my shin bone!
midnight totem
I've only ever broken things that belonged to other people
somber axle
I've sprained my ankle a lot but I was a very uncoordinated child that only became a semi-coordinated adult
somber axle
did it come with a gift receipt
hearty panther
everything is pretty easy
somber axle
return it
hearty panther
well it came with a prescription for oxycotin
and that took over my life for a while
elder fiber
I got hit by COVID-19000 a week ago
I caught it from roommates 2 months ago, and I got hit with lasting effects that still haven't gone away. Wishing you the best in recovering
midnight totem
I'm weirdly blessed. Either I caught covid and never knew about it
Or everybody else around me did but I never did
Probably the former
somber axle
it's weird how it has such a different effect on people
pain was the only major problem I had
no trouble breathing or anything
I don't think my taste was even changed much at all
I only really knew it was covid from the positive test and the awful pain
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clown taste is too powerful
bitter turtle
ok so
throwing it at them is still no good, they track you no matter what
inbetween works though
charred dome
I forgot smoke existed until I rolled up a vet
I saw it used a few times when it was introduced then never again lmfao
elder fiber
Yeah I didn't lose taste but got saddled with respiratory problems, severe exhaustion and short term memory issues that won't go away
frosty falcon
charred dome
ripper mk6 moment
somber axle
throwing it at them is still no good, they track you no matter what
It's weird that inbetween works but directly on them doesn't
I wonder how the interaction with the cloud works to allow one but not the other?
somber axle
clown taste is too powerful <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
I'm built different
I'm built incorrectly
ocean idol
Is it possible to make a good melee oriented build with vet?
hearty panther
hahahahaha yes
hearty panther
absolutely
oblique totem
What are we mad about today?
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And what weapons
midnight totem
So what build would that be?
generally any build going right side will have strong melee abilities
infiltrate or voice of command as an ability
ocean idol
try this <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/buil...
Both weapons seem like a very weird choice to me
I do like accatran though
At least it is fun to use
but taxe both not good and not fun to use
midnight totem
pretty much all of vet's melee weapons can work, top weapons are, knife, power sword, chainsword, chainaxe, shovel
ocean idol
What about smoke grenades?
ocean idol
pretty much all of vet's melee weapons can work, top weapons are, knife, power s...
KNIFE?!?!
I do love chaxe after it got reworked
midnight totem
Combat Knife is arguably one of the strongest melee weapons in the game
umbral scaffold
combat knife gives you the zoomies
midnight totem
both of them, but mk6 has an edge in horde
wild vortex
pretty much all of vet's melee weapons can work, top weapons are, knife, power s...
Sir
Rashad
Would like to have a word
midnight totem
Fine, YES. Rashad combat axe
midnight totem
top 3 would be knife, ugly ass looking rashad combat axe, power sword
midnight totem
ugly ass looking axe
somber axle
knife can kill a Crusher in under a second
it has crazy mobility
it can do ok horde clear (honestly pretty bad compared to most other melee weapons)
knife is really good for cutting down priority targets and moving into position or moving out of position
I love knife for the speed to run down alleys and halls while the team is pushing forward
I know I can loot plasteel, ammo, stims, etc. and then catch up to the team no problem
something like Power Sword? I'd never divert if a team was hard pushing forward
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top 3 would be knife, ugly ass looking rashad combat axe, power sword
Rashad is not ugly
ocean idol
both of them, but mk6 has an edge in horde
and the other one?
ocean idol
top 3 would be knife, ugly ass looking rashad combat axe, power sword
Was it buffed?
midnight totem
Rashad is not ugly <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
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https://tenor.com/view/ugly-kermit-scared-afraid-disgusted-gif-21348081
Function over form
ocean idol
knife can kill a Crusher in under a second
hollw?
charred dome
https://tenor.com/view/ugly-kermit-scared-afraid-disgusted-gif-21348081
anime pfp, opinion discarded
midnight totem
xD
ocean idol
yes, i just saw same vidoe above, question is what allows it to do so
somber axle
you need Desperado from the talent tree
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it's not as crazy as the video suggests
somber axle
depending on the knife you'll also want both melee damage nodes too
somber axle
if you run Mercy Killer you also need to run Serrated Blade
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which u need to dodge out of
somber axle
there's a talent point tax to making Knives 3HKO Crushers
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so practically speaking it's not that much faster than rashad
somber axle
but it's definitely worth it for a melee Vet build imo
ocean idol
so was knife buffed?
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no
ocean idol
Because i remember wasting lots of resources on it
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knife has always been strong
ocean idol
and trhen i got massively dissapointed
somber axle
which u need to dodge out of
just use Infiltrate + Low Profile and stab everything lightning fast rogue style while your team dodges
ocean idol
Also 99% of knifers i seen were trash
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just use Infiltrate + Low Profile and stab everything lightning fast rogue style...
the moment u hit smth, that enemy will not be affected by low profile
and will start targeting u
ocean idol
Is knife 6 strictly superior to another one/
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Is knife 6 strictly superior to another one/
Yes
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Also 99% of knifers i seen were trash
Also yes
Most people don’t know how to play the game
charred dome
Knife users are either
Cracked tf out and just shitting on everything
Or running ahead and dying to a single speshul after aggroing 300 ambient enemies
Back when the talent tree got reworked yeah it was REAL bad but now I rarely see shitty knife users
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Is knife 6 strictly superior to another one/
Generally speaking, knife vet does more single target dmg than knife zealot
However, knife zealot has better horde clear than knife vet
ocean idol
Or running ahead and dying to a single speshul after aggroing 300 ambient enemie...
I mostly see average between the two
They run ahead, never being touched
while the rest get overwhelmed
ocean idol
i meant zealots, yes
ocean idol
i also saw psyker knifers
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Vet just has better dmg in general
ocean idol
But vet has better dmg
what makes it so?
charred dome
i also saw psyker knifers
Never have I seen this, I'm scared
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what makes it so?
Knife zealot needs precog + duellist up to hit similar ttk as knife veteran
Knife veteran just has super consistent TTK without crits against everything
ocean idol
Knife veteran just has super consistent TTK without crits against everything
But what gives that additional damage
bitter turtle
More damage talents on the tree
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Superiority complex, bring it down, melee dmg nodes, weakspot & finesse dmg nodes
Unironically about half of knife zealot’s dmg is from duellist
thorn lark
zealot is a burst dps class
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Max uncanny + max sustained assault hits for like
Half the dmg as knife veteran with max uncanny
Veteran with Rashad also hits higher dmg than zealot with Rashad
thorn lark
unless martyr
somber axle
the moment u hit smth, that enemy will not be affected by low profile
yeah but the wind up on crusher attacks is so slow that if you kill in under 1 sec and the enemy isn't aggro'd on you for the first strike they're dead before they get a chance to ever hit you
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yeah but the wind up on crusher attacks is so slow that if you kill in under 1 s...
I’m not talking about the overhead
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Crusher has a much faster sweeping attack
sleek garden
Does the suppression effect also cause light stagger
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Which u cannot stagger with knife
somber axle
you can still strike while dodging too
sleek garden
Like a surprise animation
somber axle
just more effort
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you can still strike while dodging too
Not super consistently because knife has short range
somber axle
anyway TTK is comparable regardless because when you reach that level of speed reducing it by fractions of a second becomes increasingly negligible
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It’s probably shorter range than crusher’s sweep range
Practically speaking knife ttk is not that much faster than Rashad or power sword
ocean idol
Superiority complex, bring it down, melee dmg nodes, weakspot & finesse dmg node...
Can't find those quickly, what re the first two?
somber axle
Power Sword can literally be built to 1HKO
I don't think Rashad can but I've not been lucky to get one so
I can't test that clown science
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Power Sword can literally be built to 1HKO
Power sword is usually built for 2 hit combo
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Can't find those quickly, what re the first two?
15% elite dmg (left side)
20% ogryn & monster dmg (middle)
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even the 2HKO is still pretty fast though
Yes, but also
Power sword can’t stagger crusher
bitter turtle
so practically speaking it's not that much faster than rashad
That's why you do flesh tearer 2 tap
ocean idol
Alright, this discussion made vet 169% more interesting to me
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Practically speaking they’re all pretty similar
ocean idol
gotta sleep now, but going to test it all out tomorrow
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Alright, this discussion made vet 169% more interesting to me
I have a guide I can send u
somber axle
Yes, but also
Power sword can’t stagger crusher
tbh I don't really place a lot of value on crusher stagger to begin with
ocean idol
Sure
somber axle
they're slow, incredibly predictable
and if you want crusher stagger drop a bleed nade
bitter turtle
ocean idol
You may want to stagger them during hordes
ocean idol
god, that fps
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tbh I don't really place a lot of value on crusher stagger to begin with
Keeping an enemy stunlocked while u kill them (still pretty fast) is a lot safer than killing them in 1 less hit but having no stagger at all
It’s more useful vs groups of them
ocean idol
I have a guide I can send u
somber axle
Keeping an enemy stunlocked while u kill them (still pretty fast) is a lot safer...
Yeah which is why I love collateral on lasguns. Keep Ragers pinned while you shoot them down
But Ragers are fast
Crushers are slow
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a man adfter midnight
ocean idol
were recon lasguns buffed?
somber axle
were recon lasguns buffed?
no
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https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kitty-pussy-cat-gif-16474868
How many brain cells do u have rn to read a 70+ page guide
somber axle
at best they fixed a "bug" that shock trooper was not properly applying on follow up shots from crit strings
ocean idol
How many brain cells do u have rn to read a 70+ page guide
not now, tomorrow
somber axle
so only the first shot was free
ocean idol
That is big ,no?
somber axle
but a Recon Lasgun can actually stagger a Rager
tall torrent
Crushers are slow
I would strongly suggest you practice fighting multiple crushers in melee with different weapons
sleek garden
were recon lasguns buffed?
I find them hard to track with but that's just because of the iron sights
tall torrent
The stagger makes a very noticeable difference
somber axle
I would strongly suggest you practice fighting multiple crushers in melee with d...
I do, I play often and fight crusher squads daily
I make crusher killing my life's passion
I hunt them for sport
tall torrent
not now, tomorrow
dm
ocean idol
I just love how recon lasguns feel
also are they not supposed to be actually better lasguns
somber axle
I made the Chainsword XIIIg into a Crusher killing weapon
ocean idol
Like elite ksarkin troops use them
tall torrent
also are they not supposed to be actually better lasguns
No
somber axle
I have experimented with clown science in funny ways
sleek garden
How did you stack bleed like 30 times
somber axle
I just love how recon lasguns feel
They're very fun but unless you run a particular build they are useless against Crushers and struggle against Flak/Maniac
bitter turtle
How did you stack bleed like 30 times
I didnt
somber axle
which is a big problem since that's all of the worst threats
bitter turtle
Uncanny(rending) affects bleed dmg
ocean idol
They're very fun but unless you run a particular build they are useless against ...
all lasguns are useless against crushers
tame lodge
I made the Chainsword XIIIg into a Crusher killing weapon
Yeah, the crit goes hard
somber axle
all lasguns are useless against crushers
No
ocean idol
in fac,t all vet's ranged weapons except plasma and hellbore
somber axle
which at max ammo with 80% ammo stat
has 800 ammo in reserve
and 108 ammo per clip
somber axle
How
this was pre-Azrael chat where he taught me how close range damage works
I can now do up to 3.4k DPS
watch the ammo counter
only 5 ammo spent
KEEP IN MIND THOUGH
this is done with a silly build
you will not want to do what I do
bitter turtle
Also revolvers, headhunters, agri shotty
somber axle
I do what I do because I am a clown and I take anything I want where ever I want
I do this in Aurics
bitter turtle
All can shoot at cara
somber axle
you will probably not enjoy what I do in Aurics
ocean idol
this was pre-Azrael chat where he taught me how close range damage works
So how it works?
bitter turtle
Rending per hit on the right tree
ocean idol
So how that works, what allows you to do that damage
bitter turtle
Onslaught
sleek garden
I do what I do because I am a clown and I take anything I want where ever I want
I don't mind as long as you can stay alive for three seconds and not quit the game when you take too much damage
tall torrent
So how it works?
stack rending & brittleness and turbo point tax ur build to the point where your build is completely dysfunctional outside of the gun
ocean idol
lmao
somber axle
So how it works?
I can show you the build but be warned
ocean idol
how do you stack rending, with what?
sleek garden
stack rending & brittleness and turbo point tax ur build to the point where your...
Doesn't matter, killed crusher
ocean idol
I can show you the build but be warned
Yes
somber axle
you lack a lot of survivability
sleek garden
you can play the rest of the game like a bot
tame lodge
bitter turtle
They are the same thing
last parcel
somber axle
Give me one sec to pull up the talent tree
sleek garden
For me veteran is so hard to play without exhilarating+kill confirmed
bitter turtle
Brittleness is just an enemy debuff while rending is a player buff
ocean idol
Give me one sec to pull up the talent tree
what are those
ops, wrong reply
was asking chris
bitter turtle
They work the exact same way mechanically though
bitter turtle
sleek garden
Exhilarating takedown gives you toughness damage resistance and 15% toughness back on headshots
It stacks
bitter turtle
This one
sleek garden
shoot three dudes in the head and you're taking 30% less toughness damage
bitter turtle
The "many lines slicing through distressed person " talent
tall torrent
shoot three dudes in the head and you're taking 30% less toughness damage
Not 30% less
bitter turtle
Does that help
tall torrent
Exhilarating takedown is x0.9 per stack, multiplicative
ocean idol
Send me in dm the build @somber axle
somber axle
First I need to share the weapon because the DPS varies immensely based on blessings, perks and damage stat
tall torrent
It’s actually a total of 27.1% less
Not additive to 30%
x(0.9^3) = x0.729 = x(1-0.271)
sleek garden
that's fine
hearty panther
that quadrant of talents on the top left
tall torrent
But u rly shouldn’t need more than confirmed kill for toughness regen
hearty panther
is such a dead zone to me lol. everything but longshot
bitter turtle
I take volley adept on agri shotty
sleek garden
But u rly shouldn’t need more than confirmed kill for toughness regen
I usually build a vet load out for shooting lots of shooters
bitter turtle
Good for chaining special reloads
sleek garden
if I don't have ghost it helps a lot
tall torrent
I usually build a vet load out for shooting lots of shooters
Which gun
tall torrent
Cuz I think ghost is just a must take personally
hearty panther
i much rather tech through reloads than ever waste a talent point on reload speed
sleek garden
My Kantrael lasgun has falter so I can stagger some enemies better
tall torrent
Falter is unfortunately horrible
bitter turtle
Is there tech for shotgun reloads
sleek garden
i much rather tech through reloads than ever waste a talent point on reload spee...
I don't take the reload speed unless I'm building something for a bolter or musket
ocean idol
So how closer ranged damafe actually works?
tall torrent
Is there tech for shotgun reloads
U can ads to skip the pump animation
sleek garden
It also helps with shotguns
hearty panther
shoot qq special reload qq as soon as the count ups
bitter turtle
O I already do the ads thing
tall torrent
So how closer ranged damafe actually works?
It’s explained in the link I sent u
sleek garden
By the way exhilarating takedown with lawbringer is super goofy
last parcel
First I need to share the weapon because the DPS varies immensely based on bless...
did you post the full disclaimer yet
ocean idol
Alright
bitter turtle
I'll try the qq though
tall torrent
somber axle
did you post the full disclaimer yet
in their DMs yes
LOL
I think this is the 30th time I've ever shared the build
orchid hemlock
midnight totem
The clown army spreads
tame lodge
When you buy the figures and paint them (no idea)
serene bough
this isnt zealot chat
orchid hemlock
Psykers are the most trans, and Ogryns are the most nonbinary
somber axle
i remember those days
I remember those days too
hearty panther
i am very down for a double barrel
midnight totem
My hunter lance with melta or frag tip idea was not well received
hearty panther
nah i want the o.g double barrel
somber axle
Anyway, wonder what other weapons we'll get in the future
They mentioned a double barrel shotgun and pickaxes too yeah?
midnight totem
"We don't have horses. We don't have horses". Such sheep. We don't need horses
somber axle
I want a Power Fist
A Longlas
A Hellgun
A grenade launcher would be fun too
We've got Plasma and Boltgun so heavy weapons are not off the table
Melta is on that list
midnight totem
I'd love a longlas
I'd give it revolver ish stats, with worse mobility, higher reserve ammo and magazine capacity, worse handling, scope when ads, inaccurate when hipfired
last parcel
ogryn force halberd
midnight totem
I knew ogryns were psykers
orchid hemlock
a farseer told me
Didn't know that Tzeentch could do that 🤔
marsh wolf
So theoretically is any weapon viable? Because I have the overwhelming urge to make a kriegsman with a hand cannon and a shovel
last parcel
anton sokolov made this lock
marsh wolf
Ayyyy!
bitter turtle
So theoretically is any weapon viable? Because I have the overwhelming urge to m...
yes
if you define viability as "can clear everything" then nothing is so bad that its likterally unplayable
elder fiber
revolver and shovel is a p solid combo anyways
uncut pebble
Melta is on that list
Let Zealouts have meltas. It fits more with their flamer-ey business they rock anyway.
Also it would allow me to stop using thammer in games with randoms because I can't trust them to be able to kill carapace enemies.
midnight totem
Zealots with grenade launchers
last parcel
embrace knife
sullen scarab
Finally rolled this! Too bad the stopping power is kinda low, but it'll have to do for now.
flint lake
static rune
Question, what counts as elite enemies?
sullen scarab
hate to break it to you
Yeah I'm going to put dumdum on it
static rune
And what are specialists in that case
sullen scarab
I've got that lying around, just haven't put it on yet
late hatch
Lol, im still waking up, dont mind me
static rune
I kinda just shoot shit indiscriminately
static rune
Thankies from mcspankies
bitter turtle
And what are specialists in that case
specialists are the ones that have sound cues
and have special attacks (like trapping, or throwing a bomb, etc)
elites are just fatter normal mobs basically
they just hit or shoot harder
late hatch
Gunners, shotgunners, ragers
sullen scarab
I already have a smattering of Plasma guns like this lol, just running laspistol for fun
static rune
Got it, thanky thanky
late hatch
I already have a smattering of Plasma guns like this lol, just running laspistol...
Yeah I was listening to something and just got my wires crossed. halfway through my first coffee
static rune
Been wondering what it meant for a while so I usually just ignored the perks and killed things en masse
sullen scarab
Yeah I was listening to something and just got my wires crossed. halfway through...
No worries LOL, I thought you were making a meme about how I should just run plasma gun
😂
late hatch
I already have a smattering of Plasma guns like this lol, just running laspistol...
dum dum and ghost is pretty pog on the mk10, infernus or ghost for the mk2
dum dum is the good stuff
sullen scarab
Yeah I'm trying to get Dumdum/Ghost flak/maniac or crit or something
Best one I've rolled so far
but wish infernus was dumdum
trim steppe
Best one I've rolled so far
Still pretty solid roll, but yeah dumdum would be ✨
sullen scarab
yeah
uncut pebble
Infernus would be a lot better if it just ignited on weak spot hit instead of crits.
sullen scarab
I'm so mad, my Zealot rolled a perfect one
yeah lol
my freaking zealot rolled a perfect one
but can't bring it over
pls obese megladon, let me transfer this
trim steppe
My zealot rolled a perfect Rashad about 4 months before I could find one on my vet, it was so frustrating
late hatch
Best one I've rolled so far
I think the laspistol has pretty bad damage vs maniac so you could argue its good, but it probs wont make the BP for headshotting tox flamers and ragers that much better, so I think you could argue for elite instead
sullen scarab
LOL i know that feel
yeah maybe
there's also this one, but the crit damage hurts
late hatch
Or you could meme with the burn and be a boss killer with unyeilding
sullen scarab
true lol
I might just do that
with the ghost/infernus one
might as well since it has infernus on it
what's the range on Dumdum, 15 meters?
trim steppe
I think it's 8 and diminishing up to 30
trim steppe
Yeah it's just a good damage boost at most distances you'll use it
sullen scarab
yeah lol
the game keeps giving me +carapace and +groaner damage on my pistols
pls
trim steppe
Yeah nothing like +25% carapace on a weapon that does 2.7% damage to carapace
sullen scarab
i have a mk X with flak/maniac ghost/dumdum, but I really don't like using the mk X, the hits on it seem to not register when i hit things
frank ocean
I keep getting good rolled guns on my Psycher, its like...I'd rather have got nothing at all lol
sullen scarab
bro that might be the difference between LIFE AND DEATH
i know that feel speckman lol
late hatch
It hurts a bit if you go sniper on the mk10, so you could go ghost and infernus, infernus ticks will often kill things you cant quite finish and with ghost as long as you can hit heads reg you are immune to ranged as laspistol has built in suppresion immunity
sullen scarab
true lol
I have problems using the mk10 honestly, I don't know why
it just doesn't "feel" like I'm hitting things, like there's some ghosting going on
bitter turtle
I have problems using the mk10 honestly, I don't know why
because its worse than the mk2
at least in most ppl's opinion
late hatch
Its more like the deagle
elder fiber
mkx has wonky BPs so it could just be that
trim steppe
Is the mk10 worse than the mk2 for all classes or just the vet
elder fiber
its just worse
late hatch
The mk2 is like a smg
sullen scarab
yeah
frank ocean
DAMMIT MELK, POWER CYCLER 1 AGAIN
sullen scarab
rip
late hatch
The mk10 slaps way harder per shot
sullen scarab
There's a PC4 in my melk shop right now.....i'm sorry speckman
frank ocean
"In other news on the Mourningstar, Melk has been found dead with 20 stab wounds in the back. Ruled a suicide due to chaos corruption"
frank ocean
What site is that?
trim steppe
It's the Armory Exchange addon for your browser
elder fiber
they're gonna turn melk into a servitor and find out it doesn't change how he acts at all
frank ocean
I just know that I'll finally get PC4, then when they do the itemization rework they'll make an easier way of getting it
trim steppe
I'm REAALLY hoping they'll give melk a blessing shop that you pay for using diamantine. Like 1k for a T4, etc. Like give us something to do with diamantine AND a way to get blessings that doesn't make you want to stab your eyes out
And this is coming from someone with all the blessings already
sullen scarab
yeah
frank ocean
I'd also take being able to upgrade the ones you have
frank ocean
So like you give melk 3 guns with Dumdum 2
sullen scarab
t2 of a blessing or something
sinful swallow
Just pay diamantine to upgrade it's level
So it doesn't lose value if you already have all blessings and you can just upgrade your guns with resources
Something like that
One time buys and it's done forever is kinda meh
trim steppe
Both, you can upgrade if you have the blessing in your library, and you can buy blessings from melk
elder fiber
I hope they let you dump diamantine into sire melk to get him to wear less and less, like how you upgrade gacha game girls and their art/outfit becomes more horny
trim steppe
Moar tubes
sullen scarab
I agree
frank ocean
nah, its 40k, you replace more and more of him with mechanical stuff
So he loses clothing, but becomes a servitor looking nightmare
And so the monkey paw curls
trim steppe
I am sitting on a pile of 72k diamantine. I'm fine using it to turn the crew of the MS into nightmare husks of themselves as long as I can spend it on SOMETHING
frank ocean
I'm only at 8k diamontine
left crag
trade in for plush
frank ocean
But I was also horrible when it came to wasting it on weapons that didnt turn out good
trim steppe
You'll always waste more plasteel than diamantine, and thus you can never run out of diamantine
frank ocean
I mean I wasted Plasteel too lmao
sinful swallow
Tfw docket bottlenecked
trim steppe
I probably spent 500k plasteel just looking for blessings. Idk it's hard to figure
sinful swallow
Everytime I hit 1 mil I go to the brunt gacha machine and lose
I've gotten 2 550s in all my time and ones the achlyss power maul
trim steppe
I think I've spent less than 250k ordos on the brunt lotto in all my hours
I always just use the armory Exchange to shop camp and pick up EVERYTHING with good stat distributions
Then if I ever want to make a weapon, I usually have several good bases to shove into the Hadron lotto
elder oriole
trim steppe
Perfect 80/80/80/80/60 with 8% groaner damage and T1 sustained fire
frank ocean
God Marksmans focus can suck it
sinful swallow
Perfect 80/80/80/80/60 with 8% groaner damage and T1 sustained fire
I've literally seen almost exactly this before
But it was back before they "unlocked" crafting
umbral parrot
steep nexus
Lame.
uncut pebble
What should I build a devils claw with?
Brunt is selling one with savage sweep 3, but I dont know enough about those weapons to make one correctly.
Also it has 8% damage so it's funny to look at.
stiff glacier
Its not even sword at that point
Just slab of aluminum with hockey tape in one end
uncut pebble
Yeah, it's funny to look at.
Seriously though I don't exactly know what I want on a devils claw or even which model is the best.
sleek garden
depends
the mk1 with the golden handle has two heavy sweeps
its the worst for single target but is efficient at dealing with hordes
the next one (i forgot which i'll check shortly) has the same 3 light attacks, but the second heavy in the chain is an overhead
uncut pebble
Mk1, 4, and 7.
sleek garden
that one is the "balanced" option
the last one starts with a heavy overhead then a heavy sweep and has a weird light attack strikedown moveset
its the worst at horde clear i think but people tend to like that one the most
I like savage sweep and shred
shred because the swords all attack really fast
elder fiber
mk4 1st heavy is overhead, 2nd is sweep
uncut pebble
I'm gonna be real, I do not know where you're getting these movesets from. The mk1 and 7 have the same light moveset and the mk7 opens with a side swinging heavy, not top.
elder fiber
7 is the weird one with heavy sweep into overhead
uncut pebble
I just decided to buy a copy of each to decide which moveset I'm most comfortable with.
sleek garden
like i said i dont know the names of any other than mk1
i just know the movesets since i used them all
i use the mk1 on my veteran because i use single shot weapons mostly and i dont want to fire them into the horde of little dudes bunching up on me
delicate helm
how the hell do you tag a target with focus target?
uncut pebble
They will have a yellow outline.
sleek garden
if you have focus target they have a gold outline
uncut pebble
How do you forget tagging?
last parcel
i just know the movesets since i used them all
you got the 7's strikedown lights right but paired it with the wrong heavies so idk man
delicate helm
I DONT KNOW
sleek garden
you dont survive the trapper in the mixed horde
uncut pebble
It's like the main feature of picking out annoyances in a horde.
sleek garden
the last one starts with a heavy overhead then a heavy sweep and has a weird lig...
are you sure
uncut pebble
"Veteran, kill that," ping
sleek garden
im pretty sure thats right
delicate helm
"Veteran, kill that," *ping*
mods, rip his head off, thank you
sleek garden
that's the one with the holes in it
uncut pebble
are you sure
Yes, I have the mk7 in my hand right now. Opener heavy is sideways.
The one with holes is the mk4.
sleek garden
im gonna boot up the game
uncut pebble
Mk4 opener is vertical.
sleek garden
then that should be the one with the light attack that is the parry animation
the other two have the same side side strikedown lights
uncut pebble
Yes, the 4th light is the parry animation light.
sleek garden
the last one starts with a heavy overhead then a heavy sweep and has a weird lig...
that's this
was i wrong
elder fiber
reporting you to the inquisition for getting weapon marks mixed up, enjoy being a servitor
uncut pebble
Mk7 starts with a sideways sweep.
sleek garden
but the mark7 doesn't have a 4th light
uncut pebble
I... know..?
Now you're confusing me.
The mk1 and mk7 have the same light strings, the mk4 is the one that has the parry animation mixed in.
sleek garden
the first thing i said was that i'd find the names later
uncut pebble
Mk1 has sideways only heavies, mk7 starts side > top, mk4 starts top > side.
sleek garden
all i said was one of them had a heavy overhead then sweep, and a weird light attack moveset
uncut pebble
Whatever. Moveset is inconsequential. What matters more is blessings and perks.
placid portal
I only know that the cheesehole sword is just my favorite but the mk7 have the push stab combo which is cool
uncut pebble
That's like watching 2 zealouts argue whether the crucis or ironhelm thammers are better.
They're both a thammer, what does it matter.
placid portal
Dunno crucis and iron had different damage modifiers vs armor types iirc
uncut pebble
In the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters too much.
tall torrent
Whatever. Moveset is inconsequential. What matters more is blessings and perks.
Moveset definitely matters but for DC sword it’s just different based on preference, mk7 is the more complex one, mk4 is the easier one, both do more or less the same things
sleek garden
They're both a thammer, what does it matter.
one of them has limited power cleave and a lesser powered impact and a varied moveset
tall torrent
They're both a thammer, what does it matter.
Crucis only hits 1 enemy with empowered attack, Ironhelm cleaves until it hits elite/specialist/boss
sleek garden
the other one has a higher powered impact and doesnt cleave and all the lights are strikedowns/heavies are vanguard
they are different
these things do matter
because they do things differently
they're all catachans so they attack fast and have a parry
thats their similarity
one is only good at horde control one does a mix and one leans heavily towards single target
tall torrent
one is only good at horde control one does a mix and one leans heavily towards s...
Not rly, 4 and 7 play very similar in practice, just moveset difference with mk7 being more complex
They’re not that much different
uncut pebble
Crucis only hits 1 enemy with empowered attack, Ironhelm cleaves until it hits e...
This is new information to me. Now I know my hammer is even better. Mine is an ironhelm rolled almost perfectly. Just gotta get headtaker or slaughterer at a high level and it's good to run.
sleek garden
okay im in the psykhanium and i think the mk4 is actually the more mixed moveset
i thought it was the heaviest sword
but that might be the mk7
because of the stab overhead chain
uncut pebble
I'm going to pick the mk1 for the sole purpose of shutting my brain off.
tall torrent
okay im in the psykhanium and i think the mk4 is actually the more mixed moveset
They’re very similar in how they play, mk7 is just more complex, that’s all
uncut pebble
Now I just need to know the blessings and perks for it.
tall torrent
I'm going to pick the mk1 for the sole purpose of shutting my brain off.
Mk1 is the worst one tho
uncut pebble
Note the "for the sole purpose of turning my brain off."
I'm not planning on running a devils claw in high difficulty gamemodes.
I'll try to pull some fancy stuff and die instantly.
I think I'd rather run the crusher munching sapper shovel.
sleek garden
mk1 is dual sideswipe heavies
probably something like brutal momentum or savage sweep so you can lop off heads
last parcel
the last one starts with a heavy overhead then a heavy sweep and has a weird lig...
7 has the strikedown light and has the overhead on h2. i'm not saying it's better or anything, just that you mixed up the heavies
https://streamable.com/5jfdci
tall torrent
Note the "for the sole purpose of turning my brain off."
Then go with mk4
Mk4 is is really simple
uncut pebble
Actually, fair.
last parcel
probably something like brutal momentum or savage sweep so you can lop off heads
dclaws don't have brutal momentum
uncut pebble
I can swap between L>H for sweeps and H>L for single target.
Reminds me of Kruber's halberd from V2.
The simple days of poking rat ogres to death.
sleek garden
i figured bm was the one blessing i was missing
huh
okay then probably savage sweep and shred
last parcel
i figured bm was the one blessing i was missing
it's Trauma, Savage Sweep, Skullcrusher, Thunderstrike, Rampage, Wrath, Hammerblow, Devastating Strike, Shred, and Vicious Slice
and I'd go savage sweep and rampage but i think that's just preference. I'd be more concerned about getting flak damage as a perk
uncut pebble
Really liking the way-keepers chest and legs with the flak helmet for drip.
uncut pebble
and I'd go savage sweep and rampage but i think that's just preference. I'd be m...
Thanks for the input.
sleek garden
Thanks for the input.
don't forget to use your parry
i cant check the numbers because i don't have any mods but you can parry crushers and maulers if you time it right
and do non insignificant damage
man i rolled a 60% finesse mk4 and it feels painfully slow
the other ones are high 70s and it feels so different
uncut pebble
i cant check the numbers because i don't have any mods but you can parry crusher...
That sentence right there is what I meant by attempting some fancy stuff and dying instantly.
sleek garden
its not as hard as it seems
wish me luck im bringing an antaxe combat axe into the current auric maelstrom
untold pagoda
what should i switch out on haymaker knife vet?
tall torrent
@faint beacon what do u need
faint beacon
Uhhhhh- not much
sleek garden
i already died
tall torrent
Lemme fix my curios rq
umbral scaffold
There is such a thing as las recon psykers ?
delicate helm
wait
does the fire rate of the Graia Mk IV Braced Autogun increase when you “ads”
or am i tripping
midnight totem
It does
last parcel
There is such a thing as las recon psykers ?
fear us
gilded rock
Okay but top plasteel tho
One of my teammates accidentally aggro'd a host in the middle of a horde event and just said "let me die" and my googoo gaga ass teammates really listened to him until I hit a krak and shout
sleek garden
christ i saw melee scab only so i brought an antaxe axe thinking it was gonna be crusher mauler patrols
no
thousands of scab bruisers
i can only hit one at a time
i brought the absolute worst weapon
gilded rock
Hate bruisers
sleek garden
i would have had better luck with literally any other weapon
every time i play this game type its all crushers
nova sedge
what's new in the next update?
umbral scaffold
Like 2-3 weapons and a map thats it afaik
elder fiber
⛏️
nova sedge
I wonder if there's any melee weapon for the veteran
elder fiber
2 handed pickaxes for ogryns, cbt maul, boltpistol and double barrel shotgun
and a new map
and w/e the crafting update is gonna entail
nova sedge
the present gaming experience for veteran is kinda boring
uncut pebble
I'm excited to see what they're doing with the bolt pistol.
Are they going to place it between the laspistol and revolver in terms of damage per bullet?
That sort of stuff.
nova sedge
power sword is way too strong while other melees drive you crazy in some occasions
umbral scaffold
Luv chainsword
nova sedge
chainsword is playable
trim steppe
CLASSES COMPLETE. Just gotta collect a few skulls and I'll have some sweet new armor
nova sedge
but I think it's not enough for the gold maelstorm
uncut pebble
What should I look for on a columnus infantry autogun?