Cause I tend to worry about toughness more
#veteran-class
somber axle
2 is enough if you use Focus Target and Target Down to offset stamina troubles
gilded rock
I run VoC on my recon build to compensate for how fucking difficult it is to get toughness back under fire from ranged trash
faint beacon
I just prefer buffing my team
gilded rock
Why are 20 gunners easier than 40 trash xd
gilded rock
That too
somber axle
Nah I don't think VoC Vets are heretics or bad. They're very helpful to teams and it is objectively a very strong ability. The easiest to pick up and use by far and more generally useful than the other two. I just find it boring because it makes the game feel too easy personally
torn moat
What are the important stats for Rashad II to hit breakpoints?
faint beacon
it gets a pass by me seeing I personally prefer buffing playstyles that pick up teammates
gilded rock
I can agree with the last bit, I just really like that it allows me to clutch way better and, moreso, survive
drowsy aspen
...sorry, who's mad when there's a VOC vet on the team?
somber axle
No one should be mad seeing a VoC Vet LOL
drowsy aspen
"Oh no this guy's helping himself and the entire team at once"
somber axle
They're good dogs Brunt
gilded rock
"Executing priority-" (downed noise)
somber axle
Psh only if anything can catch a breakdancing clown
I main Exe Stance on a lot of my current builds
drowsy aspen
I get what you mean about too easy - for me, it's that it's a bit too samey
somber axle
I like going all in on glass cannon
drowsy aspen
But I can alternate to other things
gilded rock
Man
somber axle
I use Infiltrate sometimes though
gilded rock
How tf do you keep toughness
faint beacon
Sometimes chat is hilarious
somber axle
How tf do you keep toughness
Confirmed Kill + Target Down
drowsy aspen
...you gotta play well and just understand you can't always keep it all
somber axle
You also can grab Close Order Drill and Iron Will
somber axle
So your toughness ends up taking hits effectively from the combined TDR
drowsy aspen
I'm a seasoned dentist walking into a cancer removal surgery lmao
somber axle
And you restore it well enough using Confirmed Kill + killing priority targets with Target Down
faint beacon
@somber axle This dumb idiot right
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> This dumb idiot right
That's my baby yes
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the laser vomit machine
somber axle
Also I need to sleep because I have a combined 6 total hours of sleep spread across the last 48+ hours and I am going to collapse if I don't at least get a nap LOL
faint beacon
lets see how shit they are
somber axle
BUT GOOD LUCK
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gilded rock
Confirmed Kill + Target Down
I have confirmed plus exhilarating takedown, only have focus target unlocked and no upgrades though
faint beacon
Lol lmao even
somber axle
Can swap Duck and Dive into Close Quarters Kill Zone for more juice during Exe Stance
gilded rock
But I mainly mean for against trash, and it feels like exhilarating doesn't proc on trash mobs even though it doesn't specify only elites like it does with confirmed kill
somber axle
Lol lmao even
Both would work fine but I'd personally choose the 370 over the 375
More ammo feels very good on it
somber axle
Not just for overall reserve
tiny summit
I mean it's still usable but that ain't peaking unless the crafting systems changes are good whenever they are
somber axle
Yeah that one can be a proper Crusher killer LMFAO
faint beacon
Infernus + HH
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Crit build and deadshot synergy doe???
crit damage calculation 
faint beacon
I assume
somber axle
Yeah or Headhunter + Dum Dum
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use the first one
somber axle
Which ever you like more
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the bricked one will fuck them up
somber axle
Dum Dum is more damage in general but Infernus is funny and still helps shred Crushers/Muties
faint beacon
React to this with what you think I should do DD + HH (Chadgryn) or Inf + HH (Kek)
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infernus is better because setting heretics on fire creates happy chemical
faint beacon
Cause I will eventually do both
somber axle
infernus is better because setting heretics on fire creates happy chemical
I agree 100%
faint beacon
foot emoji
somber axle
Also I'm passing out
tiny summit
Imagine if infernus basically had wildfire built in
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somber axle
I assume we're allowed to post memes if they're vaguely related to Darktide so like
(Wait nvm not gonna risk aggroing the Mods LOL)
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you cannot reach the peaks of life without taking risks
somber axle
you cannot reach the peaks of life without taking risks <:chadgryn:1161142998214...
New Tactics for the coming shotgun
If I wake up banned remember me as I once lived
somber axle
Bath towel is my fav
faint beacon
Okay so like
its alright
I was expecting this from it lmao
Also found out my issue
my dumbass wasn't running Stamina
fixed its issue nearly immediately with crushers
torn moat
What are the target stats for a Rashad Mk II to hit all the breakpoints?
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my dumbass wasn't running Stamina
"jeez, when did i get asthma"
night sparrow
only 700k ordos :]
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missing one dodge
scrap for dockets
night sparrow
it's over
torn moat
only 700k ordos :]
Is the +10% groaner/poxwalker needed?
gilded rock
I assume we're allowed to post memes if they're vaguely related to Darktide so l...
Oh the mods literally don't care dw. I'm usually in zealot chat and 75% of the time they're not talking about DT at all. They'll still answer questions and give advice tho
night sparrow
idk rashad bp stats but i haven't rerolled anything on it yet so i'm gonna hang out in the psykanium to figure it out
somber axle
Oh the mods literally don't care dw. I'm usually in zealot chat and 75% of the t...
Ah ok that's good to know
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Ah ok that's good to know
torn moat
Thought BM is also required for a Rashad.
faint beacon
@somber axle So update regarding Recon
its not top scoring
Mid Scoring
but its fun
somber axle
Yes that's normal
faint beacon
but im basically constantly teetering on death
somber axle
but im basically constantly teetering on death
With more practice you will find harmony amongst the digital circus
Welcome to the clown troupe
The goof troupers
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unique orchid
i like using the 1a infantry lasgun
or whatever the hell it is, the not garbage not mk12 one
magdumping everything really immerses me when i only do damage on headshot
torn moat
mk12 isn't garbage if you can headshot.
mk12 used to be the best ranged weapon in the game.
unique orchid
no the mk12 is good
i was saying the other inf las that is decent, the m1a i think, i forget idk
torn moat
Eh. They are all okay.
unique orchid
fair enough
torn moat
I generally think IAG's outperform them now.
unique orchid
common consensus, i see basically no one running lasguns and it is sadge
i kinda wish they made the lowest raw damage lasgun burst-fire, thatd probably make it better
torn moat
Hellbores are niche. But my friend mostly runs it for the banyette
gilded rock
With more practice you will find harmony amongst the digital circus
I love that the fandom headcanon'd Jax into seeming like a lovable asshole only to find out he's just an asshole xd
torn moat
Lowest raw damage lasgun? As in the recon lasguns?
somber axle
I love that the fandom headcanon'd Jax into seeming like a lovable asshole only ...
I still love all of them tbh
sleek garden
don't they all do roughly the same dps at max firing speed
gilded rock
I still love all of them tbh
I think Kinger is my favorite
unique orchid
don't they all do roughly the same dps at max firing speed
probably but it really depends on how much you enjoy either spamming left click or holding it down if you have the full auto mod
sleek garden
i use infantry lasguns very consistently and lately i've been using the blue one for the quick ads movement speed and fast fire rate
somber axle
somber axle
i dont understand the appeal of this
Have you watched it
unique orchid
fostered by an environment of horrible hollywood flops and other big media failures over the past several years
gilded rock
||Poor gummigoo 
||
unique orchid
somber axle
common consensus, i see basically no one running lasguns and it is sadge
Henlo
It is I
The Lasgun Enjoyer
Of all shapes and sizes
gilded rock
https://tenor.com/view/mika-noah-raj-kermit-the-frog-the-muppets-gif-25839105
You dare to have an educated opinion and the recon hating NPCs go "ermm"
unique orchid
i wish more vets ran the lasguns tbh
its warhammer you cant be john warhammer without the lasgun
somber axle
You dare to have an educated opinion and the recon hating NPCs go "ermm"
You have to play what you want and remember you play a game to have fun, not to impress anyone LOL
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> Fucking second place
NICE
YOU'RE ADJUSTING TO THE CLOWN SHOES WELL
unique orchid
ive been seeing a lot of triple-vet and single zeallie recently
faint beacon
Bootytoot was using the uh
fuck
Slow firing
Recon
I respect it lmao
he top scored lmao
somber axle
I respect all who use Recons
sleek garden
i tried to use recon lasguns in a precision build
its kind of sad they dont do that well
gilded rock
You have to play what you want and remember you play a game to have fun, not to ...
Less about impressing and more about seeing someone be proudly incorrect... and it isn't bait
faint beacon
its kind of sad they dont do that well
YOU'RE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH SOLDIER
sleek garden
oh i tried
unique orchid
ive been using the m1a or whatever with a deadshot build and if i dont hit a head it just sucks and i am forced to doomp eet
very fun though
faint beacon
Deadshot on Recon literally is the tug of war game of
will I be able to push this horde rapidly approaching or not
lmao
unique orchid
my outfit is basically "Moebian Loyalist" and i run a shovel w the lasgun, im john warhammer, the Emprah's most expendable guardsman oo-rah 🫡
sleek garden
i lost almost all of my maelstrom games today
somber axle
Less about impressing and more about seeing someone be proudly incorrect... and ...
I kinda look at it as: if you can run the weapon in your preferred difficulty, does it matter? No LOL
somber axle
All guns are viable for all difficulties
sleek garden
the speedy knife zealot takes a hit and immediately leaves the game
or the ogryn goes down once and leaves
etc
unique orchid
i usually play on damn or heresy tbh, no one tilts and we either do well or get killed by 20 gunners in a room w no cover
sleek garden
i rely on my teammates to bring anti tank stuff like they do every single time
faint beacon
All guns are viable for all difficulties
it more so boils down to if you can stay alive or not
to me at least
can you carry your own weight?
yes?
sleek garden
i usually play on damn or heresy tbh, no one tilts and we either do well or get ...
this is the perfect environment for the ghost infantry lasgun build
faint beacon
good
unique orchid
this is the perfect environment for the ghost infantry lasgun build
no
sleek garden
20 gunners in a room?
unique orchid
hyperbolic, more like 4 kek
sleek garden
ghost
unique orchid
thats usually on damn though
somber axle
it more so boils down to if you can stay alive or not
Yeah but you'll run into VoC Power Sword Plasma Vets who eat every ammo tin and pack in sight then jump into the nearest trash can with them by dying so like a bad player is a bad player regardless of loadout LMFAO
meta doesn't fix a broken player
but a good player can deviate from meta and still perform fine
sleek garden
i will try and bring an accatran mk2 recon into the current maelstrom
unique orchid
very real, and honestly i love playing hard grueling missions where we are barely keeping together and shaken up by hordes, taking it slow and steady crawling toward the obj
faint beacon
Alright well I just died
unique orchid
playing with a bunch of sweats is almost kinda boring, i like my teammates competent enough to not die but not so overly good to where everything is trivial
faint beacon
I may or may not have joined a match that was in the progress of already being killed
12 Gunners
Chaos spawn ripping the 3 psykers in half
spawns in with already a wound and no health
sleek garden
there is an ogryn in my game with a golden warhammer eagle on his head on top of a tattoo of a golden warhammer eagle
unique orchid
what a chad
unique orchid
12 Gunners
but yeah stuff like this is where i really draw the line between challenge and bullshit tbh
faint beacon
Darktide Publics in a nutshell
unique orchid
what was the highest diff in vt2 again cataclysm? i never played because i didnt have WoM but im curious if cat felt/feels like damn
elder fiber
cataclysm for base game, modded realm had higher difficulties
either way cata harder than damnation imo b/c vt2 is just a more punishing game
unique orchid
was it the same sort of "woe: 8 chaos warriors upon ye" stuff like damn is?
elder fiber
generally if that happens in vt2 its b/c somebody aggrod a patrol
somber axle
hey do you think each of the classes get their own sleeping quarters?
uncut token
Vt2 was just so punishing it went past enjoyable
somber axle
like keeping Zealots separate from Psykers would probably be a very good idea
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imagine having a psyker has a bunk mate and having to constantly hear them edge
unique orchid
hey do you think each of the classes get their own sleeping quarters?
if they dont im certain they have done so themselves
hearty panther
nope they all share one big sleeping bag
unique orchid
or, at the very least, the zeallies have cordoned the psykers off in a corner
somber axle
imagine having a psyker has a bunk mate and having to constantly hear them edge
Psyker bunkmate keeps arguing with the subtitles at 3 am
unique orchid
i bet the vets play a shit ton of card games and smoke obscura while off duty
faint beacon
@somber axle Top scoring btw
somber axle
if they dont im certain they have done so themselves
ok but like do you think anyone enforces keeping them separate or do you think Zealots mess with Psykers like this:
Playing the Emperor's Greatest Hits at 3 am
somber axle
<@164192519465205760> Top scoring btw
NICE
unique orchid
ok but like do you think anyone enforces keeping them separate or do you think Z...
they definitely bust out the incense and start chanting incredibly loudly
somber axle
You have graduated from Reclown Academy
unique orchid
i bet the ogryns keep the peace by accident, telling everyone else to stfu
somber axle
i bet the ogryns keep the peace by accident, telling everyone else to stfu
Ogryn grabbing the Zealot
sleek garden
no damage all game
unique orchid
the bully ogryn do not do that and instead get all uppity
sleek garden
i get hit by a poxburster into a square hole
instant death
the 20 wound zealot is going down like 10 times
somber axle
the bully ogryn do not do that and instead get all uppity
Bully Ogryn is going to throw the Zealot over the nearest ledge like they're doing rock throwing practice
sleek garden
the shield ogryn was unable to block for some reason
like he was just walking past poxwalkers who kept hitting him
i have no idea how he survived so long
unique orchid
Bully Ogryn is going to throw the Zealot over the nearest ledge like they're doi...
LC vets are gonna bet on how far the zeallie makes it
somber axle
LC vets are gonna bet on how far the zeallie makes it
like betting on how many times a stone skips across a lake
"Do you think he'll bounce when he hits the bottom? I'm betting 3 bounces."
sleek garden
also with the recon lasgun i ran out of ammo in like 5 minutes and there was not a single ammo pickup on the map
somber axle
https://tenor.com/view/throw-him-out-gif-14876020
LMFAO
unique orchid
the german psykers would find zealot throwing to be hysterical
gilded rock
I love how slay the loner psyker sounds
Have you heard male loner agree to a ping
"YYYES! 💅 "
somber axle
yeah the voice lines are the best part of this game LOL
unique orchid
they have improved to an immeasurable degree
i love the new ones for train station, LC wanting to drive the train is funny as
bronze atlas
hadron please i need to be a silly wacky guy in games please dont destroy this
i dont need a god knife for my vet at least lol
wild vortex
Isn't Executor good?
bronze atlas
flesh tearer 3 i was not expecting that
tier 2 as far as they go
probably going flakiak on this i didnt expect to rescue it
oh i never learned uncanny 4 i wonder if that's on a trash knife somewhere
wait wait
im not on zealot what do i want flesh tearer for
stam to flak and tearer to uncanny and its a knife for clownin i think
i had a moment of crafting a stealth zealot knife on veteran
glad it resolved itself cheaply
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What are the target stats for a Rashad Mk II to hit all the breakpoints?
high (close to 80) first target, high penetration, finesse & damage
brutal momentum + headtaker (must have)
unarmored 20~25% (must have)
orchid hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/mulan-crush-gif-5034472
ayo i noticed that Mulan had a trans background for the majority of the movie
🤔
bronze atlas
mulan predates the flag by one year
orchid hemlock
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<:clown_hadron:1067589799361400862>
this is really good
bronze atlas
possible opposite causation
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don't tell me u scrapped it lol
bronze atlas
nah
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it's good
orchid hemlock
literally a story about transitioning to a man to join the military
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2 stam is one of the best perks u can get for knife
bronze atlas
i made it a jokester's knife
somber axle
<@164192519465205760>
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actual gigachad
bronze atlas
like im using a fuckin cb in hard missions lol
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like im using a fuckin cb in hard missions lol
bro keeps spitting out bangers
bronze atlas
im goin crazy on the zombies and you cant stop me
somber axle
ayo i noticed that Mulan had a trans background for the majority of the movie
I was chatting about fav Disney movie songs with friends recently and a friend said she enjoyed Reflections from Mulan most and that sorta feels relevant to what you said
my fav was "I Won't Say I'm In Love" from Hercules
orchid hemlock
I think even the original story is a trans allegory
I know the little mermaid is like 99% confirmed to be
somber axle
Meg is a mood
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like im using a fuckin cb in hard missions lol
knife is top 3 melee for veteran
bronze atlas
what do you even think of as a god CB
this isnt the assassin CB and stam's easy to come by
do you play bleed CB and do it worse than zealot
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what do you even think of as a god CB
CB6?
Carapace/elite/stam
Uncanny strike + mercy/executor
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do you play bleed CB and do it worse than zealot
Knife veteran has almost 2x dmg as knife zealot
Unironically
Zealot needs precog + duellist up for most of his dmg
Veteran just gets to 2~3 hit all the time with no conditional caveats
orchid hemlock
which knife is the vet's best?
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which knife is the vet's best?
Mk6
bronze atlas
well regardless im probably gonna scrap it once i finish the stealth penances
(jk im waiting for the devblog before scrapping stuff)
tall torrent
zealot needs precog/mercy + duellist up to hit this kind of dps
vet just does it all the time
bronze atlas
damn that seems unintended
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no, vet melee just has better dmg than zealot
in terms of pure dmg output, vet is more consistent and hits higher numbers
zealot does other things better
drowsy aspen
Pushing, survival, cc, yes?
bronze atlas
seems pretty dramatic calling converted to a mid roll for losing 2 stam in order to clear hordes moderately better
drowsy aspen
Veteran melee seems like a weird halfway horse between Zealot and Ogryn ngl
tall torrent
Pushing, survival, cc, yes?
zealot has stun immunity and better mobility
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Veteran melee seems like a weird halfway horse between Zealot and Ogryn ngl
not exactly
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veteran melee is just really good at killing things in general
drowsy aspen
I meant pushing up
bronze atlas
i might go ahead and swap the flak over to carapace seeing that
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zealot has better atk speed than melee so animation chains will feel better
and better mobility because FotF & crit CDR
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CLOSE, SWALLOW, AND DO IT AGAIN 
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but zealot has worse toughness gain than vet (technically worse)
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i might go ahead and swap the flak over to carapace seeing that
u don't need carapace for that
u should have went
2 stam + elite
executor + uncanny
but u completely butchered that perk roll
bronze atlas
so elite damage over carapace?
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elite hits more breakpoints
bronze atlas
you're pretty upset over a knife im probably gonna use 5 times
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assuming high enough dmg stat rolls
bronze atlas
hey they might give us another wrench too
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you're pretty upset over a knife im probably gonna use 5 times
no, just a bit disappointed that u bricked it lol
it's not mine anyways
bronze atlas
now that was interesting
it was a sword for a few seconds when i went into the psykanium
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Vet knife just has 1 big weakness
It’s not that good at horde clear no matter what u do
Zealot crit CDR + piety set-up can actually sorta wave clear ok because you can spam piety so much
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But vet knife hits elites & monsters harder most of the time
bronze atlas
zealot just makes them bleed and goes to hit someone else
its a one hit +1 tick on like 8 enemies at a time
faint beacon
You guys having constant matches of just
bad matches
like wipes consecutively in a row
sleek garden
this might be a stupid question but bolter benefits from rending right
bronze atlas
yeah i guess 2 stam is good i didnt realize this thing has 4 base stam lol, but ill just run a 3 stam trinket
sleek garden
i remember there being some buggy blessing ages ago that pushed something passed 100% rending
it was either the revolver or bolter
bronze atlas
rending over 100 is easily reached but each point is 25% as effective
every weapon with uncanny 4 gets to 120% rending for instance
bolter benefits but i can only think of shattering impact spray and the bad perk
tall torrent
like wipes consecutively in a row
Yea it’s been bad today
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yeah i guess 2 stam is good i didnt realize this thing has 4 base stam lol, but ...
Base is +1, and having a +2 stam perk allows u to not run a stam curio and instead get more health/toughness
bronze atlas
im already running infil its fine
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this might be a stupid question but bolter benefits from rending right
Not much
somber vault
im not much of a shoveler is this weapon pattern any good
is it one of the flippy ones
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im not much of a shoveler is this weapon pattern any good
Mk7 is the best sapper shovel rn
somber vault
thats tight
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It has folding attack
somber vault
lets see what hadron has to say
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U need carapace, uncanny and thrust on it
somber vault
so 3/4 good things is sufficient?
somber vault
idk if i have enough plasteel to send it all the way rn so we'll see
is the amount of plasteel needed to take a grey to orange consistent? or does it depend on the weapon
tall torrent
Varies based on base roll rating
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Usually somewhere like 1400
somber vault
ill get it all the way later
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U can just afford to swap both blessings
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Very good roll 
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orchid hemlock
yes but when I see "great" I assume they are the best weapons on vet
gilded rock
Thank you mods 
faint beacon
the hell did I miss
bronze atlas
guys balls
faint beacon
I was busy being a Zealot and flying through hordes
oh, you mean it quite literally
radiant chasm
straight up posting balls
faint beacon
Pain
bronze atlas
i wasnt actually looking it was really balls?
orchid hemlock
i always find it funny that the whitest basement dwelling people imaginable love to LARP as black people and say the n word on the internet
it's soo bizarre
uncut pebble
It can 1 shot crushers
Ayo?
MK7 can 1shot crushers?
What setup?
Oh I see Uncanny and Thrust.
Sorry for the ping btw, meant to turn that off.
gilded rock
i always find it funny that the whitest basement dwelling people imaginable love...
Like I was an dumb teenager once upon a time but I was never that stupid
gilded rock
i wasnt actually looking it was really balls?
Yeah you just missed it man
bronze atlas
aw man
gilded rock
Aw man? 📸
bronze atlas
thats what i was boutta do
gilded rock
bronze atlas
im dead rn because there was a poxburster audibly outside an airlock door and the ogryn was stubbering out of it from moment 1
classic
i watched a power maul hit a mutant in the face and bounce off, what a weapon
gilded rock
I love that the game made poxbursters the punish for mindlessly attacking through doors and walls
gilded rock
i watched a power maul hit a mutant in the face and bounce off, what a weapon
b-b-but it make boom
bronze atlas
collective punishment is a war crime
god i never made one of these things now im glad
i just watched unpowered attacks being used to shift poxers left and right without killing them
gilded rock
Some ogryns make you feel like a baby in a heated cradle under a weighted blanket
Others
Make you the babysitter
I think you got the second
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MK7 can 1shot crushers?
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sedition
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ur guide says it's "niche" tho 😔
I’ve said a bunch of times in this chat that I’m working on an updated version, and have shown the new knife weapon page multiple times
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Damnation, I'm assuming?
Yea
uncut pebble
Tight.
Now I know what weapon to go for.
Going to go full Krieger with that thing and a Helbore.
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shovel is not the most impressive
uncut pebble
Flak, I'm assuming, just because it chews through the rest of the horde like butter?
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No
Shovel has below avg horde clear
Flak is for scab rager breakpoint, a little bit better with a specific combo
It’s not necessary
uncut pebble
I see. Thanks.
orchid hemlock
is the MK3 knife also good tho?
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Just beware that shovel has slightly below avg horde clear
And really abysmal unyielding dmg
faint beacon
We are now on
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is the MK3 knife also good tho?
It’s alright, but I rly think mk6 is just a straight upgrade in every way
orchid hemlock
It’s alright, but I rly think mk6 is just a straight upgrade in every way
even better for zealots?
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even better for zealots?
What exactly does mk3 achieve over mk6
bronze atlas
I think you got the second
it was kind of beautiful like amber waves of grain
uncut pebble
And really abysmal unyielding dmg
That's what zealouts are for anyway.
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Outside of L3 being higher dmg I don’t see anything particular that mk3 does better than mk6
bronze atlas
hes mostly just vaccuuming ammo and stubbering anyway
orchid hemlock
for zealots the main usage is to reset the cooldown of the blitz using the fast light attacks
tall torrent
Horde clear is worse
Single target is worse because mk6 is just a little less dmg (not enough to make it lose breakpoints) but has faster attack chain
bronze atlas
i accidentally brought my mg12 so it doesnt matter
tall torrent
for zealots the main usage is to reset the cooldown of the blitz using the fast ...
Which mk6 does better as well because it has far easier access to higher cleave attacks
orchid hemlock
with the lights?
tall torrent
If you’re going to use light attacks
There’s no difference in crit CDR
But mk6 has H1 and H2 being 6.5 cleave
So u can hit 7 groaners and proc crit CDR on all 7 groaners
Mk3’s only 6.5 cleave attack is push atk
orchid hemlock
heavies are too slow in comparison unless you hit all the enemies in a swipe
tall torrent
Mk6 push atk is also 6.5 cleave
tall torrent
heavies are too slow in comparison unless you hit all the enemies in a swipe
You can loop H2 > L3 which is very fast
orchid hemlock
then spamming lights for the mk3?
tall torrent
And when you crit, you Crit on all enemies hit by a cleave
tall torrent
then spamming lights for the mk3?
You’re genuinely wrong if you think mk3 light spam will proc crit CDR better than Mk6 doing H1 > H2 > BC or H2 > L3 loop
orchid hemlock
ill try it out in comparison
tall torrent
ill try it out in comparison
mk6 H2 > L3 loop with FotF 20% atk speed buff
H2 is more than twice as much cleave as Mk3's light atks
6.5 cleave is up to 10.5s CD in 1 crit
Mk3 gets 4.5s per crit
Mk6 L3 is the same 3 cleave so also 4.5s per crit
bronze atlas
already decided i dont like knife going back to shovel 🙂
played like 2 missions and my fingie hurts
tall torrent
played like 2 missions and my fingie hurts
mk6 is not a light spam weapon
bronze atlas
yeah but doing all the block attacking into quick charge heavy, its like laspistol if you're aiming
my fingers hurt easily its a neurological thing
i will simply kill many enemies with each click
orchid hemlock
i cant time it because I dont have a timer with me, but it seems like the lights on the mk3 are faster, with all combos, punch>L1>L2, L1>L2>3, L1>L2>BLOCK
tall torrent
i cant time it because I dont have a timer with me, but it seems like the lights...
and hit less enemies to cause less crit CDR
isn't ur purpose here to get crit CDR
orchid hemlock
and what happens if you don't have plus 3 enemies in front of you?
or its being blocked by cata?
I understand that the mk6 has better cleave
tall torrent
and what happens if you don't have plus 3 enemies in front of you?
you do realize that mk6 has almost identical light spam that has the same cleave as mk3 right
orchid hemlock
but for dumping crits on low target numbers and switching between finesses and horde clear, I'm wondering what would help proc the talent more
tall torrent
it's not like u can't light click at all
u just have a 2nd option that gets more procs in denser hordes
which mk3 simply does not have option for
orchid hemlock
lights for the mk6 are the same speed?
tall torrent
you can literally go use it rn
it depends on the finesse roll but not the biggest difference
tall torrent
it's still very insane that u actually think mk3 light spam has the same crit CDR proc efficiency as mk6 when it simply does not
mk6 has light spam option (not great) and heavy attack options that offer more cleave for dense hordes which is the primary use case for crit CDR
last parcel
options are bad because i ahve to think
tall torrent
if you're not dealing with a dense horde, crit CDR doesn't get as much value purely because it scales per target hit
orchid hemlock
yes but being able to spam lights into a horde with the mk3 I'm curious which is better
tall torrent
yes but being able to spam lights into a horde with the mk3 I'm curious which is...
mk3 light spam is not great either, mind u
why would u not do the heavy atk option with mk6
I don't get it
last parcel
setting up an autoclicker for lights is easier than heavies
tall torrent
and it's not great
orchid hemlock
that's why I'm comparing it to the MK6's heavies
tall torrent
it's a little better than mk6 light attacks because mk3's L3 is higher dmg
but mk6 heavy atks just entirely absolve this problem
orchid hemlock
I think MK3 horde clear is much more reasonable with Zealot because of lacerate, but yes for Vets it might be pretty bad
tall torrent
lacerate is just bad
tall torrent
scourge pairs better with mk6 still
because mk6 spreads scourge with 6.5 cleave
it only kills first target
so u still get 6 enemies bleeding to hit
orchid hemlock
yes but what I said was the MK3 with scourge is able to clear hordes better than without it like vets
tall torrent
scourge is not a horde clear blessing
u take scourge because u want +30% melee crit chance from already critting
u don't take scourge because u think those 2 stacks of bleed on melee crit actually contribute to killing hordes better
because they don't
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAARKTIIIIIIDE DAAAAAAAAAARKTIIIIIIIIIIIDE DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARKTIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
fringe wadi
ALL MY HOMIES LOVE DARK TIDE
orchid hemlock
I do think bleeds makes knife weapons clear hordes better yes
tall torrent
I do think bleeds makes knife weapons clear hordes better yes
flesh tearer? yes
scourge? no
orchid hemlock
but yes the crits then stacks on top of itself to prock more bleed
tall torrent
2 stacks of bleed does little to no damage
tall torrent
u get a grand total of 4+4+4+1=13 damage from 2 stacks of bleed
if u think 13 bleed dmg actually makes u horde clear better idk what to tell u
orchid hemlock
but you are not hitting the horde once
tall torrent
2 stacks of bleed does very little
4 stacks still does very little
6 stacks, still very little (that's being hit by 3 crits already)
8 stacks, now we're getting somewhere that can actually bleed enemies to death
orchid hemlock
especially with fury I don't think it will be difficult to stack bleed
tall torrent
unfortunately most horde enemies die before u hit them with a 4th crit cleave
scourge is not a horde clear blessing, end of story
wild vortex
Isn't Scourge just to beef up your crit chance for free
fringe wadi
imagine discussing/debating the best melee weapon when the trench shovel exists
wild vortex
orchid hemlock
but yeah when I go MK3 knife I usually go crit build with flesh tear
last parcel
haha mutant go boop
orchid hemlock
u see I just really like hitting them with 1 crit and walking away not even looking
tall torrent
Isn't Scourge just to beef up your crit chance for free
yes
orchid hemlock
or watching them ragdoll from blood loss
tall torrent
u see I just really like hitting them with 1 crit and walking away not even look...
that's flesh tearer
that's not scourge
orchid hemlock
yes but scourge helps get those crit procs
tall torrent
flesh tearer can do that because that's 8 stacks of bleed in 1 crit
tall torrent
yes but scourge helps get those crit procs
yes but u never said u are including flesh tearer in this
last parcel
i'm having a stroke 😂
orchid hemlock
no I just said bleed helps with horde clear for the knife
tall torrent
afaik u were genuinely thinking scourge makes ur horde clear better
which cannot be more wrong
midnight totem
Less talk. More game
orchid hemlock
all I said was scourge gives more validity for Zealots due to the crit procing synergizing with the knife blessings
it does for Zealot because it increases crit chance, it's better than vet in isolation for horde clear of the mk3
tall torrent
u were asking abt crit CDR efficiency between mk3 and mk6
orchid hemlock
but if you were going for a bleed focused build, would the mk6 still be better 🤔
tall torrent
mk6 is better
orchid hemlock
u were asking abt crit CDR efficiency between mk3 and mk6
yes but then i steered a bit and talked about vet and zealot
sinful swallow
What's the actual best horde clear melee for vet
tall torrent
yes but then i steered a bit and talked about vet and zealot
vet knife just has weak horde clear no matter what
tall torrent
What's the actual best horde clear melee for vet
fully juiced rashad
2nd place (not by much) is PS6
last parcel
What's the actual best horde clear melee for vet
mk 3 helbore bayonet
midnight totem
Best horde clear is frag grenades
fringe wadi
What's the actual best horde clear melee for vet
shovel
sinful swallow
I run ps6 with no melee talents or nodes and it's already disgusting, how juiced does Rashad need to be to beat that lol
midnight totem
I want this for vets
tall torrent
I run ps6 with no melee talents or nodes and it's already disgusting, how juiced...
with atk speed stuff
midnight totem
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BANZAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
tall torrent
shovel <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
as funny as it is. shovel is about 2~2.5x slower
fringe wadi
as funny as it is. shovel is about 2~2.5x slower
skill issue
umbral parrot
That would be sooooo badass!
tall torrent
skill issue <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
gloomy kestrel
Does covering fire work on the vet themselves now?
tall torrent
Does covering fire work on the vet themselves now?
no
tall torrent
it honestly should
last parcel
gloomy kestrel
I was debating trying my old kantrael shotgun build out again and that node looked better than it used to
survivalist still looks essential despite the heavy handed nerf on it
does anyone think going for fully loaded on the tree is essential if I wanna use this gun alot now?
wild vortex
man, Vet really is the best "support" character in Darktide
VoC + O4B Rashad + spreading toughness talent + shredder frags + grenade replenishment and regen + Focus Target and its attendant nodes + Ghost Laspistol to solo mow down gunner lines without fear
regal yarrow
VoC + O4B Rashad + spreading toughness talent + shredder frags + grenade repleni...
This is why multiplication exists
dreamy vortex
What would y'all change out on this?
wild vortex
I am aware that TDR is multiplicative, and that the spreading toughness talent basically amounts to a small amount of constant toughness regen for the team
torn moat
What would y'all change out on this?
Is that a cell phone pic?
wild vortex
doesn't change my point that the cumulative effect is still solid
dreamy vortex
Yes
torn moat
Why not just screenshot?
dreamy vortex
I didn't wanna take a screenshot then download it from the Xbox app
More work than is necessary
torn moat
Replace Punishing Salvo and Ranged Weakspot Damage perks
dreamy vortex
Yeah I was thinking maniacs instead of weakspot
But idk what I should put instead of punishing salvo
torn moat
Maniac or Unyielding depending on preference.
dreamy vortex
Deathspitter or something maybe?
torn moat
Fire Frenzy or Deathspitter
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Terrifying Barrage 1
dreamy vortex
Is sustained fire any good?
torn moat
Eh... It's 'okay'.
dreamy vortex
Is it just outclassed by other blessings available?
rigid pilot
Honestly doesn't really matter
tall torrent
man, Vet really is the best "support" character in Darktide
It’s very fitting that the most “combat medic” veteran build is one that focuses on killing everything at peak efficiency
The true imperium way
wild vortex
honestly I like Weapons Specialist melee Vet, but just basic ass VoC + Focus Target is so insane in keeping your team topped up and supported
like it has an answer to fucking everything
orchid hemlock
Cadian Vet when he uses Infiltrate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtLjkV0Pds
trail urchin
looks sick
last parcel
makes me sick
trail urchin
yeah that'll look good together i think
fair river
swag
tall torrent
Im considering buying this to go along with tempestus helmet
The new Kasrkin set looks better imo
fair river
it's nice but like
tall torrent
fair river
Gonna go with this for now
Waiting for a good helmet to come out
(And grind for the veteran masked helmet)
tall torrent
With Krieg helm
fluid solstice
With Krieg helm
Hard
I never thought I‘d fuck w the laspistol
But I do
Its weird
last parcel
never considered sticking it into a laspistol barrel but i'll keep that in mind
oblique totem
Do laspistols even have a proper barrel? Isn't it just like a bunch of lenses or something?
static rune
With Krieg helm
Damn I'm really hoping that helmet comes back soon
tiny summit
Didn't the krieg set just come back?
tiny summit
Or did they not include the alt helmets in this rerun?
woeful ibex
woeful ibex
Or did they not include the alt helmets in this rerun? <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
Nope
woeful ibex
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn...
Psykers the only decent default
static rune
Offer the krieg sets everyone wanted but not the cooler alt helmets
yep.
junior needle
Sure glad I don't eat up the shop slop
umbral parrot
The new Sludge camo set armor is great tho.
But don't you think it's weird that the Inquisition would have soldiers running around with their own fashion? Lol
grand perch
Since we're press ganged rejects and the whole operation is running without much logistical support from the rest of the Imperium, I don't think they could give less of a damn about uniforms
umbral parrot
Well, i guess you got a point, especially since it's out of pocket.
drifting oak
elder fiber
Yea that all sounds about right
tough tiger
i know the grenade build for vet is funny but how viable is it?
tall torrent
i know the grenade build for vet is funny but how viable is it?
Frag spam carries games
tough tiger
damn
i guess im doing ppl a favor when i keep telling my friend in vc to use nades whenever he has them
agile forge
You can still fit focus target in quite easily
tough tiger
i know twin nades isnt really worth it but im hoping since im playing auric mael, the nades will come in so often that i get more utility out of twin nades
spice lintel
twin shredder bleed stacks is sometimes p good
wanton dawn
twin blade is kinda memetic if you consider that it bring you roughly a fifth of the value of any regen node (so either 1% grenade per elite kill or 1 nade every 5 minutes). Still, I like it when I use a frag heavy build on no ammo maelstrom
But i only take it because I have 1 free point on my preferred build
with plasma/ps. There is a lot of stuff you can grab with the last point but nothing terribly exciting nor essential
elder fiber
twin nades should be combined with +1 nade imo
wanton dawn
Twinblade should be an ogryn box
near sable
sour elbow
I completely forgot to do the headhunting event.
austere pine
I completely forgot to do the headhunting event.
doable in 1 day
just get all the plasteel rewards
the final one is a diamantine one
sour elbow
What even is it?
Like, cosmetic challenge or something? I cba to fire up and read atm
austere pine
team headshot kills
and you get money, plasteel and diamantine for milestones
lets say your strike team gets 300 headshot kills. at the end of the mission, 300 kills gets racked up to your counter
sour elbow
noice
wanton dawn
55min 
sour elbow
I wonder if they'll ever put an actual scoreboard in. I just want a TF2 style one that compares me to the previous me.
austere pine
allowing you to look at your teammate's stats allows for toxicity to brew
"look at your damage idiot"
and it would absolutely ruin a new person trying to get into higher diffs
sour elbow
Yet at launch the game isn't feature complete (crafting isn't there) the cash shop is working and the amount you pay is slightly more/less than the currency you can buy.
austere pine
toxic fuckers already exist and when they use the scoreboard mod, they start fuming at everything
sour elbow
I get the argument, which is why I said I want a scoreboard that compares my performance to me like TF2.
austere pine
you know you can just try to notice yourself improving, right?
sour elbow
You know hard numbers would be good right? It's not like I can't get them already (see above), I'm simply saying it would be nice for an un-modded scoreboard. The one I'm imagining wouldn't even have the detail of above
finite carbon
You know hard numbers would be good right? It's not like I can't get them alread...
That would be nice. My issue with the current scoreboard is that you have to manually delete the scores of your previous games, which feels like an annoying amount of work for numbers I don't really care for.
An in-game board that saves like, your last 10 games would be neat
I just hope it's the version you talked about, where it only shows your score to you, and another person's score to them only (kinda like Roboquest)
Toxic nerds can talk about their numbers all they want, but it'll leave out the people who just wanna chill.
sour elbow
'toxic nerds' annoys me, they're sweaty tryhards.
finite carbon
Same difference =>=
thin socket
55min <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Yeah about that, lol
the mission spawned me in by myself at the very start of the mission
the rest of the team was dead, and like 3-4 checkpoints deep
So the mission was probably going on for a hot minute
thin socket
"look at your damage idiot"
That's only for people who are just assholes
I have it to see if my build is doing what I want it to do or not
I also like seeing what other people's scores are, because if they're doing better than me, I usually ask em what nutty stuff theyre running
vernal sundial
are blessings shared across characters?
somber axle
yes
I had blessings unlocked for use on Zealot from blessings I ripped off weapons while on Vet
sour elbow
Same difference =>=
eh, 'toxic' has been filed under 'problematic' for me: a word people use for 'I don't like this' when the 'toxic' thing can often be very reasonable. Someone having conniptions because your dps is 0.0000001% below the 'necessary threshold' is just a sweaty tryhard.
finite carbon
are blessings shared across characters?
For the same weapon (and its other MKs variants) yis
sour elbow
I thought weapons didn't get shared even if you could use them
finite carbon
I thought weapons didn't get shared even if you could use them
Not weapons. Their blessings
Which you earn from Hadron
sour elbow
For the bolt pistol? My neither.
finite carbon
CANNOT WAIT FOR ITEMIZATION TO MAKE CURIOUS NOT AN ASS TO GRIND
They're worse than weapons, cause at least you can buy weapons with ordos at brunts T-T
finite carbon
For the bolt pistol? My neither.
Also that. And the double barrel
Double barrel + Weapons Specialist is going to be such a cracked combo if it works
sour elbow
I'll probably still use my boring ass kantreal lasrifle, but I wanna be a gaurdsman for once. I look at Space Marine II and just go "Oh, that's nice."
Being a walking weapons platform is fun, but I like doming daemons with a lasrifle.
finite carbon
I'll probably still use my boring ass kantreal lasrifle, but I wanna be a gaurds...
Yo, kantreals go hard though. I've seen many vets hit top damage with those
I also really like the concept of reverse fall-off. Wish there were more Las weapons, and some for Ogryn too
thin socket
I just want a proper sniper weapon that isnt the plasma gun
sour elbow
Still trying to work out if the rend at the end of the tree is worth bothering will, but 'eh'. It seems to make a difference.
thin socket
it's the only reliable one shot machine on everything except crushers and bosses
sour elbow
I always felt plasma's more railgun.
thin socket
Yee
I dont even have to aim the thing with rmb, I only use lmb and if its a headshot, it dies
finite carbon
A sniper that has punch-through on regular horde enemies would be nice
thin socket
crit is the overkill for meaty bois
finite carbon
Like the Iron-Helm hammer, but ranged
sour elbow
IIRC longlas is in the files?
somber axle
eh, 'toxic' has been filed under 'problematic' for me: a word people use for 'I ...
Idk I think toxic is just a new word for judgy. It makes people judge others harshly. People have been using DPS meters in games ever since DPS meters became a thing and people are always trying to flex on each other. It just sorta gives them ammo. But like the first time I used Scoreboard I started noticing I was paying too much attention to my team's statistics and being upset post-game because I was looking too closely at their performance. Things like 0 pings an entire match, going down more than anyone, taking the most damage, taking the most ammo and doing the least ranged damage/kills, etc. and like I genuinely achieve true peace when I can't see those things. I install Scoreboard at will for testing purposes but for casual quickplay enjoyment I leave it uninstalled. It's a viscious cycle of science sessions and then back to casual gaming
thin socket
its silly only he has access to a "tank" weapon.
somber axle
As soon as you're getting mad at others you need to find a way to stop caring LOL
It's a game just have fun
finite carbon
its silly only he has access to a "tank" weapon.
Give zealot the shield and bat from killing floor two, lmao
somber axle
If you run into someone you don't want to match with again you can block them
But like I've blocked maybe 2 people in my entire time playing Darktide and it wasn't for poor performance in a match
sour elbow
I can see the gameplay justification (ignoring the 'ogryns are too dumb and rough to use anything that isn't built for a giant toddler) because if the ogryn had even something like a lasrifle they'd be shocking good at most roles I think.
thin socket
My high is wearing off, oh no
somber axle
I don't judge people who might be trying a new class, working on penances for a playstyle they're unfamiliar with or are genuinely just new to the game
thin socket
how can I enjoy these pancake corndogs and cheese wheels now
somber axle
Or could just be mentally fried from work/family life and trying to play a game at like 10% brain
You never know why someone is the way they are so it's easy to just not judge
just don't think about it
head empty no thoughts mode
finite carbon
how can I enjoy these pancake corndogs and cheese wheels now
Just like, find another high person
Either they give you more weed, or you give them the food
finite carbon
<:CB_smoothbrain:781799597776437258>
Average Zealot Enjoyer
finite carbon
its is mine
Damn, two 'is's
You're really possessive about your food =>=
I can respect that
somber axle
Average Zealot Enjoyer
There are some insanely good Zealots out there but lately I've seen a lot of empty head Zealots
sour elbow
I might give the charge another go since the knockback changes. I 'just' take the crucifix because being able to go "NO, STOP ATTACKING AND LET US GET TOUGHNESS BACK" is amazing.
finite carbon
There are some insanely good Zealots out there but lately I've seen a lot of emp...
I don't doubt there are insanely good zealots, but most are numbskulls.
I would know. I am one
finite carbon
I might give the charge another go since the knockback changes. I 'just' take th...
I ran the relic with Nurgle blessed mutant waves once
Never again
somber axle
I don't doubt there are insanely good zealots, but most are numbskulls.
I would...
There are two kinds of Zealots in my head: rats and homeless people.
Rats could survive solo and a lot of the time they sprint ahead of the team killing things the rest of the squad never sees. They don't sprint too far ahead, they're within comfortable distance to rejoin the team for boss fights, objectives or rescues.
Homeless think they're rats but they will immediately sprint off far beyond the squad to the other side of the map to get pounced and netted. If by some miracle you save them they will repeat this and then spam ping the hound/trapper again.
My fav kind of rat Zealot are Thammer users
Thammer Zealots have saved me from weird Daemonhost moments
They are angels
sour elbow
I love the thunder hammer. God awful cleave ofc but the charged bonk is great for tough things.
finite carbon
My fav kind of rat Zealot are Thammer users
A thunder Hammer turns most 3-VEG Maelstroms to just VEG
They're great
Now if only the thunder Hammer had better Carapace damage...
somber axle
Fav type of player of every class
Vet: Fellow Recon Users
Ogryn: Tauntgryn with Skullcrusher (Any weapon)
Zealot: Thammer Angels
Psyker: Gunker with Macabian Dueling Sword zipping around stabbing things
I don't even care what build a Recon user is running, I'm just always happy to see a Vet with a Recon
sour elbow
never happy to see me then, I don't like that gun
finite carbon
Fav type of player of every class
Vet: Fellow Recon Users
Ogryn: Tauntgryn with...
Oof, okay, my list
Vet: Shovel Users. Especially folder shovels. Never had a crusher land a swing on me when one of those was my teammate.
Zealot: Heavy Sword spammers, who shred hordes before I can see em
Psykers: Any trauma/bubble/smite users. You guys are selfless bastards and I love you.
Ogryn: I love all Ogryns
I don't think I've met a single Ogryn player that's been mean or rude to me
At least in-game
Chill bastards
somber axle
never happy to see me then, I don't like that gun
Recon users are kindred spirits. Fellow clowns in a crusade. The truly brave players who look at what most consider to be the worst weapon in the game and still decide they don't care and will do whatever they want. Plasma/Power Sword/VoC looked at meta and stick close to it. Respectable in their own way. But Recon users are both shameless and fearless
The only balance we care about is how well we can stay upright on a unicycle
finite carbon
Recon users are kindred spirits. Fellow clowns in a crusade. The truly brave pla...
Recon is just a single target flamethrower in my eyes
Never seen anyone bad with it though (probably cause most people who would be bad don't use it)
sour elbow
Recon users are kindred spirits. Fellow clowns in a crusade. The truly brave pla...
Shovel and lasrifle for me.
somber axle
Oof, okay, my list
Vet: Shovel Users. Especially folder shovels. Never had a cr...
That's a fair list. A lot of the time whenever I see someone with a shovel they're a Krieg cosmetic player who is mainly using the Helbore and rarely ever pulls out the shovel
Smite Psykers are good HOWEVER Smitekers are AWFUL
finite carbon
Smite Psykers are good _HOWEVER_ Smitekers are AWFUL
Smitekers?
somber axle
The difference between a Psyker who knows how to use Smite properly and a Psyker who thinks the trick is to use EXCLUSIVELY Smite an entire level
The dudes who will go down trying to spam smite at a horde of poxwalkers
hoping someone else will kill them
finite carbon
Ah
somber axle
and then two dreg brusiers walk up behind them and spank them
finite carbon
That's how they learn tho tbh
thin socket
they dont
somber axle
Nature is a cruel mistress and the Smitekers will not survive to Winter
finite carbon
They do, just that the old 'Smirekers' as you call them, get replaced by new ones
somber axle
This isn't even like
The kind of behavior I'd expect with a new player or something
A lot of the time people are trying out different things
When a new player tries something and it doesn't work they tend to try something else even if that something else also doesn't work
Someone going literally beginning to end ignoring their staff/gun and melee is actually just being silly
especially if they go down multiple times
just swap melee and kill the poxwalkers instead of hoping someone else will do it LOL
Oh also
I do not love all Ogryns
I dislike Taugryn
Ogryn allergic to melee who vacuum up ammo and somehow kill very little with their stubbers despite all the extra ammo they eat
they go down a LOT
tend to just be a nuisance and feel like an extra difficulty modifier to play around
finite carbon
I understand if 'smitekers' do their thing in pre-made groups or with good players, but if a guy manages to get away with using smite and exclusively smite in PUBs, must be doing something right considering he is the only constant there.
somber axle
that's the thing though if they could get away with it consistently they wouldn't be going down to a single enemy sneaking up behind them so constantly
finite carbon
tend to just be a nuisance and feel like an extra difficulty modifier to play ar...
Ikr, extra modifier, extra fun
somber axle
it's just goofy to watch
somber axle
Ikr, extra modifier, extra fun
a test of ammo efficiency
if your build has bad ammo economy you will suffer
if your build has strong ammo economy you will weather the storm of a Taugryn
finite carbon
Wait, why is it called Taugryn?
finite carbon
Ohhh
somber axle
mostly focused on range, awful at melee
finite carbon
I was like "Tau for taunt?" And was very confused
somber axle
nah Tauntgryn are a different and perfect breed
the best of the big boys
A lot of Ogryn say "protect the lil uns" but Tauntgryn are the ones doing it better
blazing cargo
I do not love all Ogryns
Have you ever meet shieldgryn? There are some taking shields just to use special action block on poxwalkers, on literally anything just to end game on 30k melee 5k ranged DMG, these guys just listen to looped Separate Ways whole match
finite carbon
I mean, I do agree that running with a Gungryn that can't aim can be a frustrating experience (though that applies to any class and build, except psykers I guess), but a good Gungryn is a thing of beauty imo
Also like, where's the fun if the odds aren't stacked against you, right?
somber axle
Have you ever meet shieldgryn? There are some taking shields just to use special...
Yes but at least they're funny and usually not an active detriment to me LOL
they may not be doing anything
but they're being funny
finite carbon
Have you ever meet shieldgryn? There are some taking shields just to use special...
Ah, watching one try and tackle a mutant waves will never not be funny
blazing cargo
Then random disabler approaches them and you cant even help them because of horde stacked
somber axle
I mean, I do agree that running with a Gungryn that can't aim can be a frustrati...
A good Gungryn knows when and how to use melee while on their ranged build so it's not a problem. The difference between a good ranged Ogryn and a bad ranged Ogryn are night and day. 1 mil damage Ogryn Gods vs 100k-200k damage Ogryns eating extra rations and waiting to tell the commissar he ate an entire box of grenades
I don't even run Scoreboard often but I can feel when an Ogryn is vacuuming ammo and doing nothing with it
Scoreboard or not it's very obvious when an Ogryn eats all the ammo and spams it all away on poxwalkers
they're always either on white ammo (and still taking tins/packs) or on red ammo
somber axle
Then random disabler approaches them and you cant even help them because of hord...
yeah it's like watching a cartoon and it's hilarious
finite carbon
How often do you encounter Gungryns? >.>
somber axle
They're probably the most common kind of Ogryn I see tbh
Ogryns leaning hard into Stubbers
Mostly because of the Lucky Bullet penance existing
if I had to guess
finite carbon
Ah R.I.P
Maybe I get lucky with my PUBs
Rarely see Ogryns at all, but they're awesome every time
somber axle
And where you see a LOT of something, you'll also see a lot of people bad at that thing
I've seen VoC/Plasma Vets who seem to kill nothing at all but even if they're not too good at the game they're still supporting the group with VoC
finite carbon
And where you see a LOT of something, you'll also see a lot of people bad at tha...
That's fair. Been seeing a lot of plasma vets recently and they're... Well
somber axle
Not an active detriment to the team and still helping in their own way
finite carbon
Questionable with their ammo usage
somber axle
Taugryn are an active detriment
somber axle
Questionable with their ammo usage
Surv Aura nerf has hurt them and they've adapted by eating more ammo to compensate rather than just choosing their shots more carefully
finite carbon
I've seen VoC/Plasma Vets who seem to kill nothing at all but even if they're no...
You and I have very different perspectives on that lmao
finite carbon
Surv Aura nerf has hurt them and they've adapted by eating more ammo to compensa...
Surv Aura Nerf has hurt us all 😔
It was inevitable though. That shit was like crack. Everyone was addicted
somber axle
You and I have very different perspectives on that lmao
There are many creatures in quickplay of all kinds of builds but VoC is universally useful to the team so even if a VoC Vet is mostly just spamming it for his own personal safety he's unconsciously giving toughness to the team too
somber axle
Surv Aura Nerf has hurt us all 😔
It didn't hurt the clown who was already all in on making the most ammo efficient build possible for a Recon
Post Surv Aura nerf people were like "Recon is nerfed again" meanwhile I was playing matches and felt untouched LMFAO
finite carbon
What a gamer
I never felt the ammo Nerf either, cause I usually just use Blades Of Faith for my ranged as zealot
somber axle
I think Braced Autoguns, Plasma and Boltgun were hit the hardest
finite carbon
But I felt it on my teammates for sure. So many yellow and orange numbers
somber axle
The average Plasma user also feels the sting of Surv Aura nerf
the really good Plasma users barely noticed it
finite carbon
Bolter my beloved, I hope they bring it back to staggering bulwarks
somber axle
It still can
somber axle
It only takes 4-6 shots (depending on collateral stat and pinning fire stacks) on a shield without Executioner's Stance. With Exe Stance you can hip-fire the 2 shot burst and break the shield instantly
I also did some clown science with someone here and discovered that it IS still technically possible to break a Bulwark shield in a single shot
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?
finite carbon
It only takes 4-6 shots (depending on collateral stat and pinning fire stacks) o...
Oh right, yeah, vet gets more stagger
somber axle
TIME TO SHARE CLOWN SCIENCE
one sec while I find the vid
it's on my phone for sure
this is not useful info
but disappointing men is something I've gotten really good at LMFAO
so yes you can technically still 1 shot stagger a Bulwark by shooting them in the shield
finite carbon
I'm wishing for Bolter to be back to its glory not for vet, but for zealots tbh. Zealots struggle with Bulwarks a lot (shield bash removing all stamina, blocking brutal momentum and cleave mid-horde), so having a delete button for them as the prayer boys was handy
somber axle
It is only possible with max Pinning Fire stacks, Combat Stim and Executioner's Stance all active at once
somber axle
You also need a Collateral stat close to 80%
if you have less than 77% collateral, even with all that, it still fails to break the Bulwark shield into a stagger in 1 shot
somber axle
What a G A M E R
I accidentally timed it with the music and I feel so proud of that unintentional moment LMFAO
somber axle
I don't even have a Bolter on my vet <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
I love my baby so much
finite carbon
This thing must shred Beast of Nurgles
finite carbon
I have one with Shattering Impact on my zealot for carapace and scab rager hordes
I wonder how the Boltgun will compare
It's a free update (I think) so probably won't be overpowered unless they fuck up the numbers
(which they admittedly have a track record of but you know, one can hope obese shark learns)
somber axle
can't wait to see Bolt Pistol
steep nexus
vivid silo
I'm wishing for Bolter to be back to its glory not for vet, but for zealots tbh....
Agrip shotgun special shot staggers Bulwarks with a single shot, allowing for easy finishes. AFAIK it's the only weapon (besides the aforementioned Bolter) that can do it
pearl granite
is this gud? 😄
late hatch
Damage and stopping power are your most important stats so you can kill things
So no, its a pretty bad roll
pearl granite
I see, thanks
sturdy zephyr
The blessing are good for salvage