veteran-class

[tall torrent]

good roll, congrats

[junior needle]

How many people won't look at the blessing

[somber axle]

Lawbringer Shotgun is how I completed the Marksman's Focus 10 Stack 500 kills penance very quickly just running quickplay matches without crabwalking

[grand perch]

yeah i was hoping to get uncanny 4 on that 80% damage / first target / finesse but hadron had something to say about that

[somber axle]

Lawbringer Shotgun is both viable and VERY FUN imo

[junior needle]

Except

Using your gun to clear melee chaffe

Only villains do this

[somber axle]

With how ammo efficient it is yeah

I am a villain though

[junior needle]

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mobius-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-science-gif-26164574

[uncut token]

In this, I agree with sneaky

[last parcel]

sonjaculating intensifies

[arctic rampart]

I tried the lawbringer shotgun once, that was enough for me. I wonder if masochism is a genetic or environmental disorder?

[hearty panther]

shotguns are good, they only kindaaaa sorta suck in the sense that they aren't really made for hipfire blasting

they reward ADS and headshots

[somber axle]

Learning that the voice actor for Doctor 0 is the same voice actor for Doctor Venture from Venture Bros makes me laugh everytime I hear him

[hearty panther]

im hoping the double barrel rectifies that

[somber axle]

I dropped myself head first into the corner of a square shaped glass table trying to jump off of a couch as a very young child and still have the scar on my temple so if that has anything to do with it then probably environmental

[junior needle]

Engage in glorious melee combat as the Emperor intended

[hearty panther]

but both the lawb and the agrip can reach critical close up breakpoints nowadays, lawb is all around very flexible, the agrip leans on the slug shot a bit too much for my liking but is also very functional

[somber axle]

My parents were very tired so I dropped myself on my head to save them the time and effort

[thick needle]

ME NOT READ BOOK

[hearty panther]

kantrael i thought always sucked ass and now that the fire shot no longer has infinite cleave i think people finally agree with me

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/harrypotter-person-human-poster-advertisement-gif-8950005099884521473

[tall torrent]

fire shot still has inf cleave

it just doesn't go through carapace now iirc

[thick needle]

Agrippina is a good shotgun because I can load a special "fuck that sniper over there" shell

[arctic rampart]

is that the one with the special slug

[junior needle]

All of them have special slugs

[hearty panther]

doublecheck that then cause im pretty sure the infinite cleave got removed

[arctic rampart]

I do kind of like that one, except plasma does the same thing without a seconds delay

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun is basically a bolt action rifle as far as gameplay goes

[hearty panther]

yea thats my one gripe with agrip

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-roadman-gif-22519863

[thick needle]

Yeah it's peak

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/onehit-tryhard-gif-24675955

[hearty panther]

you dont really use the shotgun of it, you just use it as a vessel for slugs

but the base numbers on it are good now

[somber axle]

Just like the French

[hearty panther]

it used to be unreliable at killing just basic shooters

hey im the french >:[

now feed me some slugs

[somber axle]

thank you for french toast and french fries

[hearty panther]

garlic preferrably

[thick needle]

I just need something to one-shot flamers and the like

[somber axle]

Also thanks for french kissing too

Lots of nice french things

[hearty panther]

tbh idk if we invented any of that shit

[somber axle]

Yeah but it says french so it is yours

Whether you invented it or not

Like American cheese except you can be proud of what your nation is attached to

[hearty panther]

american """cheese"""

[tall torrent]

nvm

ur right

need to check new cleave value

[somber axle]

The only American cheese I respect does not legally qualify as cheese

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-eat-goofymovie-gif-5922272

[arctic rampart]

I thought french fries are a belgium invention. or is it freedom fries

[somber axle]

No one calls them freedom fries except silly Americans who want to pretend attaching freedom to something makes it theirs

[midnight totem]

What do you call 4 zealots going into a auric pox gas Warren inthe Carnival?

[thick needle]

Last time I talked about spray cheese in an international chat, like 3 non-Americans confessed they thought it was just something the Goofy Movie made up

[somber axle]

But yeah I think both burgers and fries originated fron Belgium

[hearty panther]

sadly cheez whiz is real

this is why lovecraft stopped writing

that and he died

[midnight totem]

1920s Prohibition Era America

[somber axle]

Dude I haven't had cheez whiz in literal years and I could still suck down the whole can in one sitting like an animal

[hearty panther]

but i bet the cheez had something to do with it too

[somber axle]

I wouldn't because it is swim season

[thick needle]

Thanks for that mental image

[somber axle]

But I do love cheez whiz

[hearty panther]

cheesy succ

[thick needle]

Same tho I used to eat like a can a day

It caused me several health problems

[somber axle]

I have always had a crazy metabolism

I could eat an entire pizza and still look like a twig

[arctic rampart]

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/narwhal-monodon-monoceros-swimming-ocean-260nw-1577975590.jpg

[somber axle]

I don't do that anymore because I learned how to cook

[tall torrent]

@hearty panther just checked, new cleave seems to be ~4.5

it's higher than 4.25

[hollow warren]

man I hate this

[thick needle]

Very unserious animal

[midnight totem]

Same. But now I'm old

[thick needle]

Use a full auto weapon and it'll stack focus quicker

[arctic rampart]

sneaky said he downed a can of cheese wiz and swim so I thought of narwals

[somber axle]

There are two easy ways to do this:

Get 10 stacks then crab walk while using melee to kill poxwalkers

Lawbringer Manstopper Scattershot memes

[thick needle]

Columbus Infantry Autogun or Agrippina Infantry Autogun

[somber axle]

Any other way and you suffer

[midnight totem]

You can also use frag grenades while at 10 stacks or above

[somber axle]

I just exercise more and enjoy things in moderation

[hollow warren]

yeah, using Columnus V or whatever and just mag dump into enemies + power sword

[midnight totem]

Exercise? -hiss-

[hollow warren]

and crab walking the entire mission

[midnight totem]

But moderation, yeah. I eat a little less then I used to

[somber axle]

10k steps a day is ezpz but I've done 40k in one day before LOL

[thick needle]

I use the Power Sword anyway lol

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

And that's before I touch gym routine

[hollow warren]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

running for cardio

[thick needle]

Me omw to the kitchen at 11:30 pm for a bowl of reeses puffs

[midnight totem]

who wants to join me for my 100th ogryn game

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-plush-plushie-gif-12609321247387902402

The last thing the bag of shredded cheese sees at 3 am

[midnight totem]

Concidentally, also the same thing a can of ration sees when meeting an ogryn

[hearty panther]

So similar to the lawb

[tall torrent]

it's 4.5 cleave, just checked

lined up 3 scab shooters and placed a dreg stalker behind

it only hit the 3 scab shooters (1.5 each)

so identical cleave as lawbringer

[hearty panther]

yea kanty suqqs

[tall torrent]

lawbringer has the best reg shots imo

balanced between firerate and dmg

[hearty panther]

deffo

And it doesn't have disastrous damage drop off like the kant does

[wild vortex]

I managed to pick up Manstopper last night

Lucky buy off the shop

Probably use it on Shouty maybe

[somber axle]

Nice

Congrats on Manstopper blessing!

Crowd evaporation tool is ready

[wild vortex]

Yeah I want to try that silly meme you showed

[somber axle]

Manstopper Scattershot is very funny

[wild vortex]

Tossing a knife with Manstopper shotty and it just drills through everything in its path

[somber axle]

But I want to continue clown science

What about Manstopper/Flechette??

On a Weapon Specialist build you can guarantee crits on demand

Now you have infinite cleave and bleed on all targets hit so the tougher targets are going to start bleeding out if they survive the first shot

Maybe make it into a funny tool that can clear mixed hordes better

Unless

Clown science hour finds that only the first target hit gets the bleed

Then it becomes very sad

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-crying-cat-kitty-gif-14754128238842493357

[agile forge]

I wanted to try that with kantrael shotgun on my zelly

But tbh Flamer did the trick better for me

Since I was throwing knives for elites and specials I couldn't reach anyway

[tall torrent]

don''t bother with flechette

[somber axle]

Does it only apply to the first target

[tall torrent]

no but flechette is just mid in general

[somber axle]

Otherwise I want to see how funny the 6 stack bleed becomes when cleaving through hordes

[tall torrent]

6 stacks of bleed doesn't do much

u need 10+ stacks of bleed to kill things reliably

[somber axle]

Yeah but putting 6 stacks of bleed every time you fire into a mixed horde is going to make ragers bleed out after you put it into them a few times and afaik there's no cap on it like Infernus

[tall torrent]

again, 6 stacks of bleed doesn't do much

[somber axle]

You still get Manstopper evaporating poxwalkers but now ragers are bleeding

Ok what about 12 stacks or 18

[tall torrent]

you can't get 18

[somber axle]

That's just an extra shot or 2

Does it cap out at 12?

[tall torrent]

12 stacks sure, but at that point it's 2 shots + DOT tick time

whereas no respite just 2 shots them without crit requirement or DOT tick

[somber axle]

Do you mean the ragers would be dead from the two shots and 12 stack dot before the third crit shot could fire?

[tall torrent]

bleed cap is 16

that's the highest stack it can go to

[somber axle]

Yeah but that would be single target, right? Or do you mean that Lawbringer special can 2 shot ragers on special shot?

[somber axle]

So 16 stacks in a wave of ragers for 3 Lawbringer shots if alternating melee to get Weapon Specialist stacks for crit

[tall torrent]

2 special shots won't kill ragers even if they all crit, and waiting for bleed DOT is not as good as just killing them in 2 hits

[somber axle]

That sounds pretty good in theory tbh

[midnight totem]

woot, ogryn game 100 down

[tall torrent]

and if you're alternating to melee already

u aren't getting as much out of the gun

it's cool in theory

but basically never plays out that way in practice

[somber axle]

Wait so to clarify: are you saying 2HKO on a single rager or 2 shots per rager wave? Very important distinction here

[tall torrent]

with +maniac I think 12 stacks of bleed can just bleed all dreg ragers to death

the thing is that takes time

[somber axle]

2 shots sounds good for instantly getting rid of 1 rager

Now consider 8 ragers

You need 16 shots

[bitter turtle]

Flechette shotguns have always been

[tall torrent]

it's not instant

it's way worse than double frag because frag keeps them staggered on the ground

[somber axle]

Alternatively what about killing 8 ragers amidst a poxwalker horde with funny bleed cleave hitting them before you even know they are there?

[tall torrent]

shotgun doesn't

[somber axle]

Poxwalkers poof and suddenly ragers are bleeding

[bitter turtle]

"WHy kill things in 1 second when you can wait for them to die slowly in 5 🤔 "

[tall torrent]

mixed horde is the only application and you're still forced to take point tax just to load special shells faster for a very mid interaction

[somber axle]

Again I need to reiterate I'm talking mixed horde wave clear, not single target because I know in single target numbers cat build is correct

[somber axle]

What point tax?

Weapon Specialist keystone?

[tall torrent]

reload speed

tac reload most probably

[somber axle]

I do not use reload speed

[tall torrent]

and shotguns honestly

don't work that well with WS imo

reload speed does more for shotgun than WS

[somber axle]

It's ok I'll make a build that does work well with it

[tall torrent]

because the special shell load time is affected by reload speed

[somber axle]

Give me time to finish work and begin running Aurics with some clown science

I will find the funny

I always do

[tall torrent]

flechette is just turbo mid

[somber axle]

Ok but I want to play with it and see the funny mixed horde outcome here

So I will

[tall torrent]

manstopper on its own is enough

[somber axle]

And I will share the results if they work as well as I think they could

No one believes Recons are viable until the clown pulls out the gun and does 3.4k DPS to a Crusher with 5-9 ammo spent

The same could be said of Lawbringer Flechette

but I must do science when I have time

[midnight totem]

fletchette Kantrael instead

[somber axle]

Yeah but I dislike Kantrael spread on standard shots

The shots feel off for hitting targets at longer ranges

[bitter turtle]

I have one too, similarly it's a meme

[somber axle]

Lawbringer tighter spread pattern on standard shots feels better for dealing with snipers across a room

I like to try to cover all my bases

Anyway back to work

2 and a half hours remaining to clown science time

[midnight totem]

wait

ARE YOU SLACKING AT WORK AGAIN?

What are you working anyway? Its a sunday

[last parcel]

construction of improvised explosive devices of course

[tall torrent]

The thing is that shotguns want +reload speed for being able to load special shells faster (which is what you’re trying to do)

[tall torrent]

I never considered them not viable, just not particularly great

[bitter turtle]

Shoebill

[junior needle]

Viable can mean anything

They're not comparatively good and you have to give them an inordinate of juice and jump through hoops to get similarly performance to other weapons, because their numbers suck

Just because you can have beeg dps in the psyk using a psyk warrior build doesn't mean the weapon is good 🤓

[last parcel]

is it viable to force feed wolfer my little tic tac until he dies of choking hazard

[hearty panther]

idk last time i tried it out the funny is that it sucks. you go further boosting the damage of the actual shot. like numbers said, 6 bleed isn't enough on its own, and the time it takes to load in and fire another shot to apply more means it's down to 4/3 stacks. it's hella poopy

[faint beacon]

I’ll second to this, Recon is playable if you’re willing to put up with its faults it’s not unplayable thankfully

It just requires a LOT of work to make decent

Vs everything else

[hearty panther]

it's really not that hard to use

for a lot of weapons "niche" just means "bad" for the general audience since they arent willing to limit themselves at all

if they have a gun, that gun has to be good enough to blow away the stuff in front of them and also the extremely far away stuff

recons feel a LOT better if you stop trying to kill mutants from 25m away

[faint beacon]

I mean the end goal is to have fun anyways

It’s why I never really label anything as unusable garbage

[hearty panther]

eh i just mean this as a general retort to "work to make decent"

it's not actually work in my mind

it's actually not doing certain things instead of doing certain things

people will take a shotgun and be shocked when it doesnt instagib a sniper at 50m or something

and it's like ... nah dude ... that's ... that's not what it's for

"worse than revolver"

[steep nexus]

I never felt like a recon was ineffective at range tbh

Recons feel better if you just put your entire build into them :p

[agile forge]

Kickback krew says wut

[hearty panther]

it's less the range and more the maniac damage modifier, but both together really hurts

[last parcel]

recons are godtier because I only play uprising

[hearty panther]

you've lost 20% of your damage over distance, and then you also deal 1/2 your damage to maniacs

so it's not surprising that if you are firing at a charging mutant, the gun is going to feel like dicks

[terse idol]

WELL TO EB FAIR

Kickback is a different ccase

IT is...

Like one of the best weapons for Ogryn

Compared to say, a lawmaker

[steep nexus]

Maybe other weapons are just too effective at dealing with them tbh

Revolver plasma moment

[terse idol]

Or an agrinapinna

[terse idol]

I mean

[hearty panther]

that's really it. other weapons are exceedingly convenient

[terse idol]

I'd argue an Ilas deals with chargers better than a shotgun

[hearty panther]

you can just shoot anything at any time and it works

[steep nexus]

For me with the recon I’ve always had to dodge the mutant and keep shooting it, which feels fine to me

[terse idol]

Which is ironic

[steep nexus]

It does?!

[hearty panther]

you shoot maniacs?

[steep nexus]

Poor shotguns

[hearty panther]

i put a knife in their heads

[terse idol]

Just shoot them in their head

You can put em down in like 3 or 4 shots (Or was it 5)

[steep nexus]

I’m a power sword enjoyer, so it’s 50/50 whatever I’m feeling

[tall torrent]

It’s Ogryn plasma gun

[steep nexus]

I never have an “OUR WEAPONS ARE WORTHLESS” moment when I’m holding a power sword

[tall torrent]

No?

[terse idol]

yes because it's one of the best weapons in the game

[steep nexus]

Average revolver apologist

[tall torrent]

You shouldn’t need plasma/revolver to kill mutants

[steep nexus]

You don’t

[tall torrent]

Mutant takes 3x melee dmg

Why do u need those guns to kill mutants

[steep nexus]

You don’t

You can read the conversation 😔

[tall torrent]

“Maybe those other guns are too effective at killing mutants”

There’re like maybe 4 ranged weapon categories that have bad maniac dmg

[steep nexus]

He said that recon feels like dicks shooting into mutants, I said that I personally thought it was fine, and then we agreed that it’s probably because revolver and plasma are so incredibly effective that it makes other weapons feel worse by comparison

[hearty panther]

but it still remains true that they take 3x melee damage,

[tall torrent]

That has nothing to do with revolver/plasma tho?

[hearty panther]

so no gun really matches that

but that said, like, shit

plasma stuns them on headshot

so they really are incentivizing it

infantry las has the best maniac damage i beli -- wait no

its shredder

secret shredder

shredder or mg4

[tall torrent]

MG4 isn’t that fast in practice

[hearty panther]

id rather an mg4 than any other ilas if im getting rager'd tho

[tall torrent]

At the end of the day melee kills them faster 90% the time

[faint beacon]

I’ve come to realization melee tends to drop mutants more than guns so I just default to meleeing them

[hearty panther]

thats cause it do

[somber axle]

I don't disagree but even on Agripina where I am sometimes loading a special slug every shot I don't feel like missing the reload speed is causing me to fail to kill important targets as they appear. It would absolutely objectively be better to reload faster. But I also prefer to use those points elsewhere. The talent point tax you see is optional for me

[last parcel]

sneaky cat commits tax evasion

[hearty panther]

even for the special shell, reload tech is better than reload speed lul

load it in, QQ, fire

[somber axle]

Plus on a Weapon Specialist build I am swapping to melee to strike down a poxwalker or two before going back to ranged for another guaranteed crit while comboing Deadshot

[hearty panther]

sneaky u know da recon reload tech right

[tall torrent]

Reload speed still makes the first part faster

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tax-fraud-gif-27523109

[hearty panther]

yea but now you dont gotta waste talent points on something that exclusively only works when you are reloading

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR

[somber axle]

No but I use crit stacking and Shock Trooper 100% of the time I take any Recon so I don't really reload very often anyway

[terse idol]

Like "saying" it's fine

I mean

The numbers acutually don't add up

[somber axle]

I do know weapon swap cancels reload animation

[terse idol]

You can say it "feels" like all you want, but the numbers mason

[somber axle]

And if you swap as soon as you see the numbers change for the clip

[terse idol]

They speak for themselves

[hearty panther]

sprint cancel too

[somber axle]

It counts as a reload

[steep nexus]

Revolver and plasma numbers are simply too high

[terse idol]

Frankly anything "feels" fine

[hearty panther]

sprint cancel is the real tech

[steep nexus]

That’s all

[terse idol]

It's just subjective bias

[somber axle]

Yeah that too

Very useful on Boltgun

[hearty panther]

shaving a full second off the recon

is very satisfying

[somber axle]

Since Boltgun reload is awful

[tall torrent]

You don’t need revolver/plasma to have high DPS on mutant…

[terse idol]

(Well the revolver is maybe abit more balanced because of a small magazine size, difficulty to take out hordes of shooters)

[faint beacon]

I still genuinely think the crafting rework might save some of the less used weapons

[somber axle]

And Boltgun weapon swap speed is also awful outside of Exe Stance

[tall torrent]

There’re a bunch of guns that have better maniac dps than recon lol

[terse idol]

(And a lower max ammo count)

[hearty panther]

^ literally every gun

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kitty-pet-cute-gif-17658258

[steep nexus]

Yes, but for other guns it’s a much closer comparison, hence it feeling “fine”

[terse idol]

It's not

[somber axle]

Viable is my middle name at this point LMFAO

[terse idol]

It's running back on the discussion that

[tall torrent]

The only 4 gun categories that have bad maniac dmg are
Recon
Headhunter autogun
Laspistol
Combat shotgun

Those 4 actually don’t DPS maniac very well

[terse idol]

When you build most guns, they do indeed kill mutants faasterr

[somber axle]

Damage dump stat, mobility 80% mandatory to achieve speeds necessary to jump through hoops

[hearty panther]

combat shotgun is actually fine, it hits the right numbers but doesnt have 'high' ADM

[tall torrent]

It’s more so that it takes multiple shots to kill one on a gun that wants as less shots used as possible

[hearty panther]

laspee is funny

compare TTK on flak rager vs. dreg

night and day

[tall torrent]

Laspistol mk2 doesn’t have the worst maniac dmg (because crits), but mk10 maniac ttk is horrendous

[hearty panther]

you can pretty easily kit the shotgun to onetap headshot maniac specials

[tall torrent]

He’s talking about mutant here so

[hearty panther]

god i fffffukken wish psyker had shotgunsss

[somber axle]

That's fair but I want to try WS/Deadshot Crit stacking and alternate bleeding crowds since Manstopper on its own is enough to wipe poxwalkers so why not also dump bleed into whatever else is hiding in the crowd too? Scattershot feels like it could be optional for a meme build and I am exploring other options. No Respite would be good for Rager 2HKO breakpoint but numbers cat already did that science. It is known. I do not chase the known. I chase the unknown. That is why I engage in CLOWN SCIENCE

[tall torrent]

Shotgun vs mutant is absolutely not smth I’d do

[hearty panther]

i just dont shoot mutants period

waste of ammo, they take so much melee damage

why would i burn that 4,000hp with bullets when it takes two swings to the head

and even if they didnt

3x damage

really helps

[somber axle]

True but Agrip Shotgun 1HKOs Muties on headshot and it is always funny watching them go limp and Gmod tumble mid-sprint

[faint beacon]

Don’t they take extra damage whilst attempting to grab a victim

[last parcel]

shooting makes happy chemical

[faint beacon]

Or am I gaslighting myself

[hearty panther]

gaslighting

[tall torrent]

No, just always active 3x melee weakness

[faint beacon]

Cause I swear I do extra

[somber axle]

But yeah like

I often times will just melee

[hearty panther]

they only take extra damage on fridays

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-gif-26484090

[somber axle]

If a weapon struggles with something you either pair it with something to cover that weakness or build perks/blessings/talents to soften the weakness (alternatively turn a weakness into a strength like what I do with Recons vs Crushers)

If you leave the weakness as is and then use it for what it struggles against of course it will be awful

Just don't do that

[last parcel]

No

[tall torrent]

I think I haven’t touched onslaught talent in like over 5 months

[junior needle]

Does the mk10 have less relative maniac damage to its base compared to the mk2?

[somber axle]

It's ok I have married Onslaught and I don't share lovers. They're mine now

[faint beacon]

I enjoy onslaught personally but it’s not good on ammo conserve I’ll admit that

Why I usually try to single out a few dangerous carapace enemies and use it on that

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-understandable-have-a-great-day-gif-27057900

[junior needle]

Or is the mk10 just worse dps overall

[hearty panther]

onslaught is exclusively for my recon

it makes way too much sense to not be taking it

and it's right after the stam node anyway

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kazuma-majima-goro-hay-gif-16522440

[faint beacon]

I use onslaught with my GIAG

[last parcel]

sticking out your GIAG for the rizzler

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/majima-goro-majima-majima-jumpscare-gif-24485179

[faint beacon]

I will never forget the time he came out of an oversized cone and I proceeded to obliterate 3/4’s of his HP with one move lmao

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-majima-goro-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-gif-26858926

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-majima-kiryu-gif-26284379

[tall torrent]

No, it just has way worse TTK

Similar shots to kill but shoots ~69% slower (264rpm vs 158rpm)

Recipe for disaster

[agile forge]

nice

[hollow warren]

sucks to be this guy, I suppose

dunno what was his thought process for doing that

[tall torrent]

How did it even happen
Which map is that

[hearty panther]

dude's got a sick vertical

[somber axle]

He's checking for the dog

[hollow warren]

that's one of the Carnival maps, the one were you get the sample from the amphitheatre

[last parcel]

ayo what the dog doin

[gilded rock]

Today I learned that enemies also take fall damage (?)

[somber axle]

Yes and enemies also instantly die if they fall out of bounds

[terse idol]

"Hear dat? 'Ound"

[somber axle]

Chorus Zealots and some VoC Vets who position properly can shove Plogryns/Chaos Spawns/Daemonhosts over a ledge to kill it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/paragwontbms-gif-26870982

[somber axle]

He still has nothing on the Ogryn Space Program

[sleek garden]

what

[last parcel]

speedrun

[faint beacon]

What the fuck even happened lmao

Top 10 Darktide speed run strats

1. Space Ogryn

[gilded rock]

noclip
+speed

[sleek garden]

my lawbringer can 2 tap ragers, i'd be surprised if the heavier hitting agri and kantrael can't

[hollow warren]

the way it crashed to desktop at the end is just the cherry on top

Ogryns when rashuns are cut: play video

[wild vortex]

Emperor gave

Will it work as good as a Rashad on Weapons Specialist?

[tall torrent]

it does not do well vs mutants

[wild vortex]

Do I even bother tring

*trying it

[sleek garden]

most guns dont really do well vs mutants they have like 5000 health right

[faint beacon]

Good question

I’d say check the vet guide

Never bothered using that Taxe variant

So I’m unsure

[wild vortex]

Just tried it in the psykhanium

It's fast at least

Guess I can try one game

[verbal hemlock]

fast is better then powerful a lot of the time

[faint beacon]

Honestly matters on playstyle

[wild vortex]

I am very dumdum

[faint beacon]

Or well preferred playstyle cause I can say an extremely quick Taxe can be as effective as a Caxe with BM

[wild vortex]

I love Rashad but I want to find SOMETHING as good to use lol

That axe is too fucking good lmao

[somber axle]

Beta was truly a magical time

[faint beacon]

The only thing competing with it is a PS6 With PC4

It’s that fucking good

Rashad built correctly which is extremely difficult to pull mind you

Is just fucking insane

[tall torrent]

No

[tall torrent]

No & no

[oblique totem]

I am glad I waited until the game was almost finished to buy it

[civic knot]

With duck and dive and shout, do you even really want any of the extra stamina regen nodes? This is kantrael shotgun/knife build btw

[tall torrent]

It’s nice to have

I personally would go right side

O4B + move speed

Ditch confirmed kill

I don’t think u need more than 1 line at the top for toughness regen

[civic knot]

Ye i know u mentioned that last time but i really like it cause of the fact that this is a special/elite killing-focused build

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need WS’s reload speed node either

[tall torrent]

Yes and O4B does that well too

[civic knot]

lol im just out here tryna make kantrael work better for vet. You always need to have so much downtime for the reloading with kant

[tall torrent]

It’s more that

[civic knot]

forgot to mention the main reason: im using knife 3

[tall torrent]

You generally don’t want to be reloading when weapon specialist is helping

[tall torrent]

ok

CB3 is more or less a complete downgrade from CB6

[wild vortex]

Yeah I'm experiencing it rn

[civic knot]

this is what im stuck with until crafting update man not wasting anything until then

[wild vortex]

Damn Rashad is just unbeatable

[civic knot]

is movespeed node even better than the +1 stamina? i dont think it is.... but i might be wrong

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot better than +1 stam

5% move speed > 1 stam > 5% health
Imo

[tall torrent]

Honestly just drop close order and CK for O4B
U can put that 1 point for iron will

[civic knot]

true...

[idle swallow]

iron will too strong esp with shout

[civic knot]

but why.... iron will > close order? @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Iron will is far more reliable than close order

Close order wants u to babysit ur team

[civic knot]

kinda why i feel like i dont wanna use it with shout lol. its unhealthily synergetic

[faint beacon]

Iron will allows you to face tank crusher overheads

You’ll be surprised how much it’ll save you from accidental team induced crusher downs

[tall torrent]

If that’s unhealthily synergistic then idk what’s healthily synergistic to u

[tall torrent]

No

It does not

[civic knot]

those should kill you. I dont even wanna be oppertunistic by using that stuff. Its straight up unhealthy balancing

[faint beacon]

With VOC at least

[tall torrent]

Iron will does not allow u to face tank crusher overhead

[faint beacon]

Should’ve mentioned that

[tall torrent]

That’s gold toughness’ effect

Nothing to do with iron will

[civic knot]

gold toughness tanking effect is kinda dumb... press 1 button and negate the consequences of failing to push pox burster

[faint beacon]

I do enjoy the idea of being a support toughness battery for your team constantly generating it but you usually have to run something that also generates Toughness on kill with a blessing

[somber axle]

Depends on difficulty but like on Damnation 4000 HP can feel like 5000 HP if your weapon has poor Maniac damage

[faint beacon]

Well that and they take more melee damage

[somber axle]

Yes so generally you want to melee

3x melee damage

[tall torrent]

If u have to think that way then just play infil

[civic knot]

hahah true

[tall torrent]

On a recon it’s effectively 8k dmg because bad maniac ADM

[somber axle]

Play Exe Stance and flex on VoC Vets by doing more damage, getting more kills, taking less damage and rescuing them multiple times

[faint beacon]

You know I should eventually make a Recon build for the sole purpose of “I feel like kneecapping myself this game”

[somber axle]

Yes which is why I recommend Maniac as a perk and juice it to the point it can burn Muties with an ok TTK

But generally it's better to melee if I can help it

[tall torrent]

Not rly relevant

[somber axle]

If you're not going full clown, do not shoot Muties with Recons ever

[somber axle]

It is for me and those following in my clown shoes

Meta builds are already well known

Clown builds require explanation

[tall torrent]

It’s not a +25% ADM effect, it’s +25% of the already bad ADM

[faint beacon]

Look after playing Evis Zealot I cannot, not melee them cause it’s extremely satisfying to bisect a charging mutant going for you

[somber axle]

Yes now stack that with all the damage from my talent tree and behold my power

[tall torrent]

Recon just is not good in maniac DPS, unless u spec into rending/brittleness with major point tax on build

[somber axle]

True and if I mailed Zealot I would be right there with you. Perfect Strike Evis XV was my fav weapon LOL

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s what I run

Crit Evis XV

Literally glide through pox hordes like fucking butter

[somber axle]

Correct but the rending/brittleness also helps it vs Flak and Carapace so when you go rending/brittleness and stack damage you're not just offsetting one weakness, you're offsetting all of them

Very expensive talent point tax

Imo very worth for what it allows the weapon to do

But I am a clown

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t ur build have like no grenade regen

[somber axle]

So take my opinion, as always, with a funny grain of salt

[faint beacon]

Honestly I’m sitting here thinking aren’t the recons just cause of their low damage output but high DPS

[somber axle]

Yes LOL

I'm going to redo it

Azrael showed me the Light of Infernus

[tall torrent]

Yea
Consequences of a point tax build

[faint beacon]

Kinda just shifted towards debuffing

[somber axle]

And the Truth of Close Damage

[faint beacon]

Ex. infernus + onslaught

[somber axle]

I will redo my talent tree and see how Infil/Nade Regen works

[tall torrent]

Didn’t he say Infernus was bad

[somber axle]

It could be serviceable with the new revelations

[somber axle]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Infernus is…

[somber axle]

I've been toying with Close Quarters Kill Zone, Dum Dum, etc. and have seen much crazier numbers

[faint beacon]

Idk what to classify it lmao

[tall torrent]

Infernus is cringe

[somber axle]

Infernus does work for Recon but other things work better

[tall torrent]

If Infernus was 6 stacks of burn with 31 stack cap I think I’d consider it for some guns

[somber axle]

I just like lighting things on fire when I shoot them because the visual effect is pretty and previously I believed it to be the best combo for Headhunter because if the synergy and extra DPS

I'm not sure Infernus/Headhunter is the best combo anymore but it DOES work

I have used that combo a lot in Auric Damnation

It's fine

But I can be FUNNIER

[loud geyser]

Does anyone know of a good commissar themed build for vet?

[somber axle]

The circus music can ALWAYS get louder

[faint beacon]

Purely support based or like just aesthetic looking

Cause if I was home I’d send you mine

[drowsy aspen]

Fire damage also means they die even if they go for cover or you're forced to choose another target

[faint beacon]

It’s just pure VOC (I know sorry Sneaky it pains you seeing it) spam and toughness generation for your entire team at the cost of using a Laspistol centered around crits to generate more toughness

[somber axle]

Exactly

[drowsy aspen]

This doesn't cancel out any DPS issues with fire ofc, but the flexibility is nice

[somber axle]

In the pursuit of min/max and optimization a lot of people forget that weapons can be fun AND funny

[drowsy aspen]

...Oh yeah weapons should be fun

100%

[tall torrent]

Requires high stacks to do anywhere near enough dmg

[somber axle]

Getting a crit spray on a dog and setting it on fire as it runs around a corner and then it burns to death 2 seconds later is hilarious

[drowsy aspen]

Frankly I'd never even look at a recon lasgun if I didn't like the vibe

Too many problems

But man they look fun to use

[somber axle]

Have you ever had a silent dog pounce you last second and gotten a panic spray into them as you tried and failed to dodge? It's EXTRA funny seeing the burning dog die before your squad even realizes you were pounced LMFAO

[drowsy aspen]

I'll be testing in practice, but in the Psykanium I was taking out gunners and trappers and such with just a few shots and the burn effect

[tall torrent]

Idk, just push the hound?

[drowsy aspen]

"Try winning the game maybe?"

[tall torrent]

Which gun

[somber axle]

Silent dog sneaking up while ranged weapon is out means the reaction time to swap melee and push wasn't there for me

[drowsy aspen]

VIId

[somber axle]

If I had melee out yeah

Ezpz push lemon squeezy

[tall torrent]

What’s VIId

There’s VId and VIIa

[drowsy aspen]

The recon lasgun

I'm a new vet lmao

I am OGRYN MAIN

[somber axle]

Do you mean the fastest firing one or the slowest firing one

[drowsy aspen]

...Maybe I'll be heavily disappointed- fastest firing

[somber axle]

The green one has cleave and highest damage per shot with better modifiers against armour types

[tall torrent]

The issue with Infernus is that you need high stacks to do decent dmg

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is my personal fav for the fast fire rate

[drowsy aspen]

But the Achlys with fire rounds is one of my favorite weapons in the game

[tall torrent]

Recon crit string is 2

Each crit is 2 stacks

So u need a total of 6 crits to apply max 12 stacks

To do ok dmg

[somber axle]

OH I CAN DISAPPOINT YOU IN A REALLY FUN WAY AS SOON AS I GET TO MY COMPUTER

It's that time again

Time for the Clown Song and Dance

[faint beacon]

I despise the one pounce animation they’ll do mid run so you don’t even get a warning till they’re already killing you, it’s literally the only anim that gets me

[somber axle]

Yes exactly

That + they were somehow totally silent until suddenly the growl mid-pounce

[tall torrent]

That’s most definitely a bug

[somber axle]

We're 2 years in and this bug is still here so I just have to deal with occasionally having a dog catch me off guard

[tall torrent]

Ik which one ur talking abt

[sleek garden]

my preferred ogryn weapons dont do much maniac damage which leads to me clubbing a mutie for like 15 seconds straight

i dont take the powerl maul anymore

i love throwing people around but it just cant kill when i need it to

[faint beacon]

That’s literally the only pounce that gets me or if I’m neck deep in a horde and out of stamina and one strolls along to take advantage

[faint beacon]

The Paul genuinely needs a buff it makes me sad

It’s such a cool weapon

But lackluster compared to the others

[sleek garden]

at the very least the power attack should hurt carapace more

[somber axle]

@drowsy aspen Ok I am home and ready to show you the wonder world of the Digital Circus that is Recon Mk VId

let me show you two quick things first

the old build with grenade regen and survivability through Target Down, Close Order Drill, Iron Will and Confirmed Kill with an extra +1 stam from the node under it

[drowsy aspen]

Shoot I'm headed to work

[faint beacon]

Crusher go bye bye that’s all I see from that Gif

[drowsy aspen]

Will lock in soon

[somber axle]

and now I can show you the newer build

BEHOLD

A Recon killing in literally 5 ammo spent

This did 2931 DPS to a Crusher

[faint beacon]

What blessings btw

[somber axle]

I have since revised my build to work with Close Damage and it can reach 3.4k DPS

[somber axle]

This was done with Infernus IV/Headhunter IV funny enough LMFAO

[faint beacon]

More so trying to figure out how to cook up a kneecapping myself build

Lmao

[somber axle]

this is why I tell people Infernus if solid for Recon Mk VId

because it can do this

Dum Dum CAN push it further

but Infernus is not a handicap

[hearty panther]

doesnt even have bring it down

total madlad

[somber axle]

the new build swapped points around more

[faint beacon]

It’s probably funnier with Bring it down

[somber axle]

I can confirm it is

[somber axle]

this was done with a different talent tree than the first

[hearty panther]

can ditch one of the xstance nodes for superiority complex too

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1246428970484764743/image.png?ex=665dac70&is=665c5af0&hm=0e769a83fe87c1b5c0212a5f024dd6476a5c809d8d50748a32c61f544c209d43&

talent tree used for the clown science session of the 5 ammo spent video

[faint beacon]

Anyways is your Recon an all purpose or a special killer

[hearty panther]

ye

[somber axle]

All purpose with eh boss damage so I tend to go melee when bosses appear

[faint beacon]

Cause I think I could totally get away with using a Rashad II to lift it up

[somber axle]

so not really all purpose

but it kills all specials, all elites, destroys rooms of non-elite shooters and even shreds through poxwalker/groaner hordes if I feel spicy

with +Maniac it also kills Muties fine

now that I'm home I can show you the TTK on Muties

KEEP IN MIND

this is the old build

and after additional clown science sessions I've started using Close Quarters Kill Zone and Dum Dum

the DPS has since pushed to 3.4k

and I don't think that's the ceiling

[faint beacon]

Honestly the reason I’m even considering it

[somber axle]

I think I can squeeze it HARDER

[faint beacon]

Is I’m bored

I want something I barely touch

That being the Recon lmao

[somber axle]

I love Recons but I MUST WARN

this weapon will drain your sanity unless you're like me

[faint beacon]

Does it kill

[somber axle]

if you're used to running weapons like Plasma, Revolver, Columnus Infantry Autogun, etc. then swapping to Recon will make you feel like you've put weights around your ankles trying to fight with it

[faint beacon]

Even if it’s slowly does it still kill

[somber axle]

yes and very effectively let me show

[faint beacon]

I tend to use the HHA

GIAG is my go too

[somber axle]

this is a very old Scoreboard screenshot but

[faint beacon]

You called it white bread auto gun cause it basically is

[somber axle]

behold

Far right Vet was Plasma

Other Vet was Columnus Infantry Autogun

I outdid them both on nearly every single metric for offense

[faint beacon]

But I prefer neutral things unlike the CIAG which is a direct upgrade lmao

[somber axle]

literally the only things they did better were
Plasma Vet had 2 more ranged elite kills
CIAG Vet had 9k more ranged damage

Now look at ammo tins/packs taken

[faint beacon]

Evil fucked up Recon Las

[somber axle]

My Recon did all that and consumed less ammo by a massive margin

TO CLARIFY MORE

this was a very old time when I was a scared clown afraid of Aurics and I have grown to know no fear or shame

this was not an Auric

this was Standard Damnation

I think that's important info to clarify because these are not Auric level players

and at the time neither was I

[faint beacon]

Pre scav nerf I assume also

[somber axle]

so this was less a moment of me being way beyond them both as far as skill and more roughly equal skill levels

[somber axle]

Nah this was post penance update so Surv Aura was nerfed

[faint beacon]

I feel like Scav shock trooper is fucking mandatory

[somber axle]

That's why the Plasma Vet ate so much ammo

They were probably still adjusting to new Plasma ammo cost

7 tins, 3 packs, 3 ammo crate hits

just for Plasma

[faint beacon]

Plasma consumer of ammo packs

[somber axle]

Anyway yeah Recon works in my clown hands

but I should say Mr. Craime tried my build and said he lost sanity for it

LMFAO

so put on the clown shoes at your own risk

[faint beacon]

Tbf I play a hyper aggressive Vet

[somber axle]

it lacks the survivability that your standard meta build has and will punish you for being out of position

[faint beacon]

Mainly use GIAG

[somber axle]

you need to go into every fight knowing you'll win it and know when you back off to reposition if you're in a bad spot and will get overwhelmed

[faint beacon]

So I’m just swapping my ballistics for slightly worse Lasers

I might end up liking it

[somber axle]

last stands are for losers who need to be picked up off their knees

play like a coward and let the horde chase you through the map on a merry clown dance

I play hyper-mobile and hyper-aggressive too

I throw myself into the frontline and the prior build using Duck and Dive required me to purposely bait ranged shooters into firing at me to dodge them for extra stam

[faint beacon]

Honestly I have one question

Is it still effective without popping Exe

“Effective”

But you know what I mean

For its standards

[somber axle]

the extra stam regen let me have more uptime on Deadshot, more Deadshot uptime combos with Headhunter for more crits, more crits means more damage and also free shots through Shock Trooper and also sets targets on fire with Infernus IV

[somber axle]

yes

but effective can vary depending on how you define effective

if you mean comparable to CIAG then no

Recons are not CIAG level

[faint beacon]

CIAG to me is just

Me win

[somber axle]

anyway this was my favourite build to play in game but I'm experimenting with clown science on Recons again

testing different blessing combos to see what the best combo is

[faint beacon]

So I don’t really classify it as a neutral

It’s the hard end of simply winning

[wild vortex]

After a string of horrible missions last night, finally managed to finish my Vet weeklies today

[somber axle]

same and that's why I don't touch it because it's snoozeville

[wild vortex]

Just in time for reset

[faint beacon]

GIAG and AAIG

[wild vortex]

Whee

[somber axle]

it makes the game too easy

I need to feel the fight

[faint beacon]

I Classify as neutrals

[somber axle]

but like

[midnight totem]

Point is, to take a taunt ogryn, and taunt all the shooters from Sneaky

[somber axle]

I warn you because the build can feel like a LOT more effort

and I love that extra effort LMFAO

[midnight totem]

Deny the clown her stamina regen

[somber axle]

I will cry

[midnight totem]

[somber axle]

actually no

I love Tauntgryns

[faint beacon]

Better idea Glugger

[somber axle]

they're so rare to see in the wild

[faint beacon]

Simply consume the ammo before Sneaky can

[somber axle]

Tauntgryn + Skullcrusher is such a massive damage multipler for the entire team

[midnight totem]

Gunlugger with taunt

[faint beacon]

Waste it on a pox horde

Lmao

[somber axle]

They're my absolute favourite people to see in quickplay

[midnight totem]

Standing infront of the light show

[somber axle]

and this is weird to say as a Vet that mains a weapon that can't cleave through an Ogryn

but they're just such good team mates consistently

Gunluggers tend to be the ones who will literally walk through me and stand inside me while trying to shoot at things LMFAO

[faint beacon]

It’s a love hate for me cause I use HHA and GIAG/AAIG

[somber axle]

big man is trying to put me on his shoulder like I'm a parrot or something

I am a sneaky cat and I need no protection

[faint beacon]

Like I understand they’re protecting me but sometimes they get in the way at the worst times when I’m about to snipe a special causing huge issues

Ahem Tox Bombers

[somber axle]

Headhunter Autoguns are an absolute delight and I have a perfect roll IX even if the IX is objectively worse than the VII

I also have a pretty solid VII too

and some solid IIIs

[faint beacon]

2 round right

Right?

[wild vortex]

As an Ogryn main, the idea is simple - if he's in your way, whatever is in front of him you no longer have to worry about

[somber axle]

Let me show you my gun

[faint beacon]

Look I love you guys too much to be actually angry lmao

It’s more like mildly annoyed at most

[somber axle]

yeah that's why I just switch view to a different flank

big man is pushing me out of the way to say that he's taking that side

I'll let him deal with it unless I notice he needs help

he usually doesn't though

[faint beacon]

XI though is the 2 burst HHA right

[midnight totem]

I think ogryns just trend to being relatively unselfish players

[tall torrent]

Except trapper & bomber

[wild vortex]

Kickback is often as good a sniper weapon as like a revolver

[somber axle]

oh I have no idea
I only remember that the Vraks VII is single shot and the Vraks III is the 3 on 3 on 3 not a big fan of the goverment Halo 2 battle rifle 3 shot burst

[tall torrent]

Pox bomber makes way too big of an impact to be considered “Ogryn in front will deal with it”

[wild vortex]

If I'm on Ogryn and I see a trapper, I will charge through hell and brimstone to pull his spine through his stomach and floss my teeth with his net

[faint beacon]

Cause I ALSO have a god roll of that if it’s the 2 round lmao

Is it Green

[wild vortex]

The bullshit about trappers is

[tall torrent]

Yea but most Ogryns in QP are pretty bad at killing specialists

[faint beacon]

If it’s not the Brown single fire it’s the 2 round

[somber axle]

I let him deal with it if he's brave enough to run into me and if he fails then the match just got extra spicy and I love ghost peppers so I'm ready to go

[wild vortex]

How they can shoot through mobs

[midnight totem]

Don't charge at a trapper his net can pull you out of it

[somber axle]

Get ready for Muties charging through pox clouds becoming living bullets

I love seeing them nyoom

[wild vortex]

I meant figuratively not the ability lol

I know I can be pulled out of it

Happened to me often enough

🫠

Piece of shit mechanic

[faint beacon]

The Rock flying towards the mutants skull:

[somber axle]

I love Ogryns so much

I'm really glad penance update brought them back

Quickplay used to be nothing but like 3 zealots and me

now Psykers, Vets and Ogryns are here again

[tame lodge]

Yeah, felt like I only saw Ogryns when playing as one

[somber axle]

I could swap Carapace to Flak but I'm a Clown

and I like shooting Crushers

like

[tall torrent]

Swap to maniac

[somber axle]

watch the silly thing I can do

[tall torrent]

Imo

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa IX is 2r burst and it’s kinda awkward
It’s sorta like Vraks 7 but not as reliant on rolls for breakpoints
But at the same time it’s nowhere as good in dps

[midnight totem]

and it has some fucked up recoil

[tall torrent]

not rly

[dreamy ginkgo]

always love moving and shooting it with 0% stability

screen goes to space when doiung that

[faint beacon]

Mines a 545 with mobility as the low stat teehee

[midnight totem]

ancedote then, I hate its recoil, evenwith a 75+ stability roll

[faint beacon]

But yeah even though that one is worse

I still fucking love the XI HHA

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1239807071483068456/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.05.14_-_01.10.10.06.mp4?ex=665df910&is=665ca790&hm=3af9b370e4e33d2cafa5ccd7e91621eb89dac4216d66e89108b19039ad68bc2b&

It’s not that bad in terms of recoil

[dreamy ginkgo]

for me the agripinaa IX sounds like the lawbringer to the shotguns

[tall torrent]

It’s just that in terms of DPS it’s the worst option because the burst delay is quite long

[faint beacon]

Forgot to mention mines Unarmored Flak so it does do really damn good against majority specials

Usually one burst drops them

Sometimes get unlucky and have to do 2

[somber axle]

yeah but it is very funny and allow me to show LMFAO

https://gyazo.com/926fef40efafab08d8e005d6603f8e69

[faint beacon]

But it doesn’t really bother me

[somber axle]

I can literally almost kill a Crusher in 1 burst

LMFAO

outside of like

[faint beacon]

2 BURSTS HEAVENS NO!

[somber axle]

8 stack Focus Target memes?

[tall torrent]

I should include melee weapons’ cleave values tbh

[somber axle]

It still kills in 2 bursts

that's fine LMFAO

[tall torrent]

In my guide

I did it for ranged weapons

I might as well expand the “curio & defense” section into 2 parts

Part 1, enemy glossary

Part 2, curios & specific defense breakpoints

[somber axle]

Yeah mine also wipes all specials except hounds and muties in 1 burst. Hounds with no Focus Target stacks or no Marksman's Focus stacks and no Exe Stance require 2 bursts but with even 1 stack of FT, any stacks of MF or Exe Stance it cleans up hounds in 1 burst. And inside Exe Stance it cleans up muties in 1 burst too

[faint beacon]

Sneaky

[somber axle]

A very funny gun

[faint beacon]

I run focus

Lmao

[somber axle]

Nice

[faint beacon]

And it still makes it drop shit quickly

[midnight totem]

I ran my Agripp headhunter with

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer is not even bad now

[midnight totem]

surgical and head hunter

MAXIMUM CRIT

[tall torrent]

Mk9 HH is just awkward compared to the other two tho

[tall torrent]

Just checked, I actually have enough space to include different melee attacks’ cleave values I think

[faint beacon]

I think the XI just gets overshadowed compared to the other two

[dreamy ginkgo]

Just saying that it's very niche compared to the others, since it doesn't have that precise use to me

[midnight totem]

which is a shame, because I generally like 2 round burst guns in most games

[tall torrent]

Lawbringer is not that niche, kantrael is prob the worst one rn

[dreamy ginkgo]

mk 7 for precise shots that is

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t stop me from using it lmao

[midnight totem]

hey, each to their own

[tall torrent]

Mk9 HH is just weird in execution

[midnight totem]

vraks 3 just feels better to me

[dreamy ginkgo]

maybe i missed how to use it then, because i mainly use kantreal for high damage close range, on my zealot though

[midnight totem]

kantrael is my manstopper knife enabler

[somber axle]

Vraks IX is in a weird spot but I have like

a literal god roll

[last parcel]

that feels out of scope for a vet guide

[tall torrent]

They changed Kantrael fire shots’ cleave so it’s nowhere as good as it used to be
Lawbringer has the best regular shots, and the special shots have been buffed

[somber axle]

so it still performs very well

[faint beacon]

Ditto

[tall torrent]

It’s Agripinaa IX

[somber axle]

outside of perfect rolls it's probably awkward

[faint beacon]

I accidentally rolled a XI

With extremely good stats

Committed

And ended up getting a god roll

Lmao

[dreamy ginkgo]

tbf, i don't really know exactly, i just go by feeling by weapons and nothing too technical

[somber axle]

I get them mixed up because in my brain a song is constantly playing and it's literally just "Vraks 3 is not a big fan of the government 3 on 3 on 3" over and over on repeat

and this happens anytime Headhunter Autoguns come up

it's how I remember Vraks III is the 3 round burst one

then it's easy to remember Vraks VII is the 1 shot gun

[radiant chasm]

it's niche is large swathes of lightly armored targets, get a crit, get a pellet to hit the head, reap the damage and cleave. i think the issue is too much armor in the game rn.

[civic knot]

Is this normal for auric hi shock?

[radiant chasm]

but i don't think that makes it bad, it's just not in the most favorable meta

[radiant chasm]

looks about right

[civic knot]

my teammates:

[radiant chasm]

i dont' see any glaring issues except you being the best person on the team

[dreamy ginkgo]

not all weapons feels bad to me honestly, they're just not fitting for certain playstyles / goals in the build

[radiant chasm]

they didn't perform amazing, but they didn't perform badly either (looking at the stats)

[civic knot]

its just... i still find it hard to believe that things can get so disproportionate in the highest difficulty mode in the game so often

[dreamy ginkgo]

he think he meant the numbers of elite maybe?

[civic knot]

mostly that yeah... but also other stuff

[radiant chasm]

that doesn't seem disproportionate in my experience, usually i would call that for having an anchor 200k below the 3rd place dude, or sub 200k damage in general

[dreamy ginkgo]

Honestly, if we talk about damage, most of the time scoreboard shows twicee the damage for one guy for me, and usually i just ignore that part bcause it sounds lik it's bugged in some way

it's always doubled

[faint beacon]

Recalling the one time I had 1.1k damage taken on HISTG and I was the top score for least damage taken

Had to do 3 clutches

[dreamy ginkgo]

Also, if you jump on stuff before anyone could do anything, of course you'd be top damage in some way ;P

that's how the rushers find them being "better" by being fastest at jumping on enemy

[faint beacon]

That’s why I don’t care for damage dealt but rather ranged and melee elites killed on my HHA builds

[somber axle]

the funniest bug I've ever seen wasn't even from Scoreboard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1226254011213021322/image.png?ex=665e1b0a&is=665cc98a&hm=aa5c8e0a745712c149f97ec1db9ea9d38aa09266026920053b37719d1e65e6b4&

[civic knot]

Buy? probably bricked tbh....

[somber axle]

I was in this match. My squad died a LOT. And I mean, a LOT a lot. I still don't think it was anywhere near 144.

[dreamy ginkgo]

144 sounds like too much

that sounds like 18 minutes of respawning time, unless someone was farming for a "rescue penance" with someone else jumping off the map i don't really see how it's possible

[wind grotto]

that sounds like the very brief period that dieing would multiply your end docket and xp rewards by 2 and it stacked

and some people just did it for hours

[faint beacon]

That’s a lot of dead rejects

[somber axle]

so funny thing

I did discover a way to hit 1 burst Crusher kill on Headhunter IX

it requires at minimum 13 Marksman's Focus stacks though

and that's with a LOT of other damage from the talent tree

on my perfect 80 damage 80 stopping power +25 cara +8 elite (ok maybe not perfect this could be +10%)

weird amount of investment

[last parcel]

literally unplayable. scrap for dockets

[somber axle]

and still only doable during the 5 second window where FtE, Marksman, Close Quarters Kill Zone are all active together

[somber axle]

If I trade 15 stack MF for Bring It Down instead, I can do it at 10 stacks reliably

going to see how Bring It Down changes things

yeah you need all 10 stacks and the +10% rending at 10 stacks

at 9 stacks it can't

but this is still kinda funny as another short episode of clown science

[sick patio]

infernus dumdum or ghost dumdum for mk 2 lazpistol

[somber axle]

I prefer Infernus Dum Dum tbh but Ghost Dum Dum is also a really good combo

Which do you like more: setting things on fire for a bit more damage on beefier targets or being able to let 5 Shotgunners shoot at you without dodging and ignore every single shot?

[plush hound]

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[midnight totem]

lolwhat

[drowsy aspen]

Holy fuck what

[sick patio]

infernus is cool if you get a few shots in and they run away but most of the time if you are hittin you are killin. I love being able to commisar cosplay and just stand still and blast shooters

I got this from a mission reward lol. Manic may be better

vs unarmored but its still great at gunner genocide

[somber axle]

yes on most targets it has very, very little value to the point it's pretty negligible but setting things on fire is funny and it is extra damage on tougher targets

[sick patio]

that free round crit las is pretty nice

[somber axle]

these people are determined to get the penance points for that penance pass chest piece and they're going to queue until someone carries them collectively into it

[tame berry]

hey guys how do you get a sigh on hellebore lasgun ?

is it a skin or a mod...

[somber axle]

No sights on Helbores to my knowledge in the base game even with skins

Only mods

well

iron sights yes

but like changing the sights or adding a scope no

[dreamy vortex]

Can someone send me a sharpshooter build for vet?

[last parcel]

mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277

[tame berry]

,,,

[sick patio]

2001 2014 2001 2014

[last parcel]

the rage from disconnects fuels my hatred of the arch enemy

[sick patio]

I was last alive and dc'd lol

[sterile garnet]

2k hours

Played since release

Never seen that ever

Were they throwing

Or just that bad

[faint beacon]

@somber axle Seeing im finally home I'll toss my HHA XI

[somber axle]

You're getting rid of it?

[faint beacon]

yeah bye bye piece of shit gun (no I would never)

[somber axle]

LMFAO

Yeah I was confused because you tossing a Headhunter feels as likely as me tossing a Recon

[somber axle]

I have 19 Recon Lasguns so far

[faint beacon]

Anyways what Recon do you say is the best to use again

may as well roll one and try it out

[somber axle]

Depends what you want to do with one

[faint beacon]

whatever deals with specials the best seeing my Rashad will be for Mutants and Hordes

trash hordes

that is

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa is the best for general use and feels a lot like a Kantrael Mg1a/Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun but with cleave. Struggles against armour just like the Infantry Lasguns but still solid performer against other things

[midnight totem]

this is weird, I have a a permenant "penance reward available at hestia" message now

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is my personal fav for fire rate and how silly it becomes with certain talents

[faint beacon]

Isn't it the best with uh

fuck

[somber axle]

They both deal with specials well tbh

[faint beacon]

Onslaught + Infernus + HH

Cause I was thinking of doing that

[faint beacon]

well... go claim your reward doofus

[somber axle]

Infernus works but you can also go Dum Dum

Headhunter is the important one

[midnight totem]

there i s no reward to claim

[faint beacon]

I said

claim, your, reward

[somber axle]

The crit is very valuable for Shock Trooper

[midnight totem]

make me

[faint beacon]

Wondering which one I should do first

Infernus or DumDum

[wild vortex]

Managed to get a semi decent CIAG on Shouty

[faint beacon]

Which one is overall funnier/more fun

[wild vortex]

I now see what the fuss is about

That gun is insane

[gilded rock]

What does mk II do?

[faint beacon]

I did take off Demo team for Bring it down

[somber axle]

I still think Infernus is more fun for lighting things on fire and things sometimes dying when they flee around corners

[gilded rock]

When the vibes are right I'll stop shooting something to get something else and know it'll die

[faint beacon]

Eh you know what fuck it

I'll be insane

make both

[somber axle]

It's the weakest variant. Same damage per shot as Mk VId but lower fire rate. Less damage than the Mk VIIa and no cleave like the VIIa but higher fire rate than the VIIa. It honestly feels good to use imo even if the potential damage is lower

[somber axle]

Exactly LMFAO

[faint beacon]

Anyways you think I can get away with... 2 Stamina 3+ curios and a toughness Curio

[somber axle]

Yes that works fine if you're doing the Deadshot route