Before buffs
#veteran-class
terse idol
Helldivers is literally just satire on fascism, super earth used a false flag to attack the illuminates in hd1
The cyborgs were people who wanted socialism and super earth crushed them so they augmented themselves to fight back
vernal sundial
"i dont like politics in my video games"
translated: "i don't like politics i don't agree with in my video game"
terse idol
Tyramids were attacked because they were ugly aliens
In the first game
Before they even knew their blood was oil
Like God damn
somber axle
The cyborgs were people who wanted socialism and super earth crushed them so the...
HEART. STEEL.
WE. KILL.
BACK. UP.
ON. TO. WAR!
orchid hemlock
Tyramids were attacked because they were ugly aliens
The lore hints that the Tyranids were actually created by Superearth to genocide the colonies and convert the biomass into oil
terse idol
terse idol
The lore hints that the Tyranids were actually created by Superearth to genocide...
In hd2 at least
somber axle
CYBERSTAN.
CAN'T KEEP HER DOWN.
GET BACK UP.
ON TO WAR!!
terse idol
There was a good chance that
Tyramids in hd2 were purposefully released from farms
To justify farming more oil
somber axle
orchid hemlock
"i dont like politics in my video games"
translated: "i don't like politics *i d...
But like it's extremely explicit that Helldivers and Superearth is hyper satirical American Nationalism, it blows my mind that they don't see it
vernal sundial
game is lotsa fun but the game breaking bugs, bandaid fixes, and piss poor balancing has since turned me off from playing
me waiting a while to play again until its in a better state
lost cosmos
people told me that the powersword was really good, but it seems very underwhelming compared to the MK IV chainsword
terse idol
Games have no politic mf's when: Bioshock, fallout, call of duty, halo
orchid hemlock
It's literally based on the Starship Troopers movie, which is also a hyper satirical representation of American Nationalism. The director literally said so
terse idol
hearty panther
"I'm here to study American propaganda."
"There's no such thing."
"That's exactly what we're studying."
somber axle
people told me that the powersword was really good, but it seems very underwhelm...
You need the blessing Power Cycler IV and have that with Sunder or Brutal Momentum
Then it becomes very strong
orchid hemlock
Games have no politic mf's when: Bioshock, fallout, call of duty, halo
I should tell them what Star Wars was based on
They would melt
vernal sundial
its funny when americans genuinely believe american propaganda doesnt exist lmao
steep nexus
Call of Duty isn’t political though??
orchid hemlock
That means it's working as intended 😎👌
steep nexus
What do you mean?
somber axle
its funny when americans genuinely believe american propaganda doesnt exist lmao
Have you seen how Japan depicts American Propaganda in movies? LMFAO
They know how to turn it up to 11
tiny summit
people told me that the powersword was really good, but it seems very underwhelm...
Yea unless you have power cycler and sunder/brutal momentum, its a pretty underwhelming weapon
terse idol
China depicting America in movies be like:
vernal sundial
like do you really think its normal for an entire country's youngest generations to stand up and say a pledge to the nation every day in school?
i remember back in middle school it was like i suddenly gained self awareness and i was like "what the fuck am i doing"
orchid hemlock
Call of Duty isn’t political though??
Call of Duty used to be actually anti war in the original Modern Warfare series, but it got revised in the reboot to be much more anti Syrian/Russian historical revisionism
lost cosmos
Yea unless you have power cycler and sunder/brutal momentum, its a pretty underw...
ok and how do i even get those
you cant buy them
tiny summit
ok and how do i even get those
Gambling in the crafting or melk
vernal sundial
ok and how do i even get those
RNGesus
orchid hemlock
Probably because the game is funded my weapon manufacturers and the CIA now 🤔
terse idol
Call of Duty used to be actually anti war in the original Modern Warfare series,...
It's worse when you figure out that the new CEO' was literally ex-politican who's gonna make the next main-line call of duty antagonist Sadam husan
tiny summit
Crafting changes are coming...at some point. We don't know
vernal sundial
Probably because the game is funded my weapon manufacturers and the CIA now 🤔
funny thing is cod doesnt even pay weapon manufacturers to use real gun names anymore lmao
terse idol
I mean to be fair, movies do it do
orchid hemlock
funny thing is cod doesnt even pay weapon manufacturers to use real gun names an...
Yes but it's free advertisement
terse idol
Because of the American army contract that if you
Want to use their equipment you gotta show the US in a good light
somber axle
Call of Duty used to be actually anti war in the original Modern Warfare series,...
didn't battlefield bad company do the thing where the antagonist tells the player character they're a monster or something
somber axle
I forget which FPS game did it
terse idol
Frankly which is another level of propoganda
orchid hemlock
Also just thinking about warfare isn't a "politcal" things in general is soo bizarre to me
It's literally the most raw form of power in the world
lost cosmos
Gambling in the crafting or melk
im in sir melk's and i dont see anywhere to roll or craft tyhem
you can roll for guns and curios
somber axle
Also just thinking about warfare isn't a "politcal" things in general is soo biz...
it's a new thing mainly used by old people who use it as a tool to try to tell people to keep their politics out of their circles
it's not political if it's what they agree with
it's just "normal"
tiny summit
im in sir melk's and i dont see anywhere to roll or craft tyhem
Melk is a daily rotating shop and you have to chance on seeing higher level blessings in there. Or you buy a power sword and upgrade it for the chance to get the blessing
lost cosmos
i'll just wait until i get to lvl 18 and use the better chainsword
then upgrade that
somber axle
while leveling you can probably use anything you want
don't worry too much about rolling for blessings
lost cosmos
im just going to stick with the mk 4 chainsword
somber axle
the Hadron, Brunt and Melk casino games can wait
Mk IV Chainsword is really good
Sweeping Strikes + Rampage turn it into a horde wiping machine
constantly slam heavies into poxwalkers
delete them
bitter turtle
Savage sweep* in case you can't find a blessing called sweeping strikes
lost cosmos
it has wrath on it
somber axle
oh whoops I got it mixed up
lost cosmos
im just
bitter turtle
It's ok
lost cosmos
not going to do that stuff rn
vernal sundial
in fairness I am on 4 hours of sleep
sleeeep
bitter turtle
I just wanted to make sure they could actually find it
somber axle
sleeeep
not an option I have work in under an hour and have been getting ready while chatting here
leaving soon
vernal sundial
man
bitter turtle
And not maybe pick up devastating strikes 
somber axle
vernal sundial
https://tenor.com/view/blink182-work-sucks-i-know-music-video-all-the-small-thin...
blink182 mentioned
somber axle
https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559
working until 10:30 pm tonight and then coming home literally to sleep just to wake up and go back in again at 6:30 am tomorrow
suffering for the money
but the Darktide cosmetics will not buy themselves unless I become a Vtuber or something
and no
I have a shred of my dignity in this clown costume
vernal sundial
ive had people buy skins for me on valorant before lmao
somber axle
it's really weird when people just gift things out of nowhere
I had a WoW guildie, not friend, gift me Warhammer 40k Space Hulk: Death Wing and I never played it. I still have it. He later gifted me Fallout 76 too. I have yet to play that either. I have no idea why he did these things
vernal sundial
that is really weird but
free games are free games
vernal sundial
gilded rock
working until 10:30 pm tonight and then coming home literally to sleep just to w...
10:30 twinsies, I've been at work since 2
gilded rock
Ready to be off Tuesday, always put myself out too hard on my weekends 
faint beacon
@tall torrent Accidentally stumbled into your match through a random que lmao
I did get this out of it though
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> Accidentally stumbled into your match through a random que...
Wait that’s u
faint beacon
Yeah lmao
tall torrent
U wanna play
tall torrent
Vc?
tall torrent
Wanted to buy it before it changes in 6 mins
U can leave if u want
I can wait as well
faint beacon
this team had a rocky start
helped them get on their feet for a second but im now open
gilded rock
I was last alive earlier and a zealot says "gg", felt so good when I clutched through some cringe spawns and told him he could say gg now at the end of the game
somber axle
LOL
I love clutching and then pushing solo to the next checkpoint to revive everyone. Feel like a hero
orchid hemlock
Me when I see my entire team downing in the first 2 minutes of the run:
somber axle
"Don't worry. I've got you. We're finishing this mission together."
gilded rock
Me when I see my entire team downing in the first 2 minutes of the run:
Team so bad I turned into a marketable plushie
But nah I actually kinda like having struggling teams
As long as they're still trying to be team players, that is
If I get disabled for the first time in 20 minutes and they leave me to die I will probably barrel them
somber axle
Struggling teams make for the most fun matches imo
Good players make runs easier and smoother
The more chaos, the better
gilded rock
https://tenor.com/view/were-done-when-i-say-were-done-walter-white-threat-breaki...
LITERALLY
What I thought too
somber axle
is the chainaxe better than the chainsword
Chainaxe can kill Crushers very effectively and do really good boss damage. They're very slow weapons though and have bad horde clear that only becomes passable with a lot of talent tree investment
Chainswords do better horde clear but struggle immensely on Crushers unless you do a funny Bloodthirtsy blessing + melee talent build and that would sacrifice a lot of the horde clear power just to do Crusher killing ok
Chainaxe > Chainsword for Single Target
Chainsword > Chainaxe for Multi Target
tall torrent
helped them get on their feet for a second but im now open
Ok ngl
I’m horrible at knife zealot lmao
somber axle
If you want a good all arounder melee weapon look at Combat Knife, Rashad Mk II Combat Axe or Power Sword
gilded rock
Chainaxe can kill Crushers very effectively and do really good boss damage. They...
I think bloodletter is genuinely such a good blessing, lets you hit bulwark 1 shot rev without like any melee investment and helps with other BPs too
Bloodletter plus one of the "hit 3=more something" blessings are what I run
faint beacon
Ok ngl
I’m horrible at knife zealot lmao
Quickly learned im enjoying Crit Evis Zealot
somber axle
I think bloodletter is genuinely such a good blessing, lets you hit bulwark 1 sh...
Bloodletter is neat but I prefer Bloodthirsty for the guaranteed crit because I am a crit fiend but yeah the bleed blessing helps close the gap on Crushers and Bulwarks. And also helps on boss DPS a bit
tall torrent
Quickly learned im enjoying Crit Evis Zealot
It works pretty well yea
gilded rock
Horde clear is weaker for sure though but recon VIIa has very fast clear to help make up for it
somber axle
Speed and Crit because I am a Rogue at heart in any game I play
gilded rock
Speed and Crit because I am a Rogue at heart in any game I play
Valid and based
gilded rock
Bloodletter also applies even if you aren't able to get to the rip part of the animation for whatever reason. Very nice
somber axle
True
A much safer blessing
Bloodthirsty means you have to be ready to commit to the full Rev to use it
Much, much riskier
gilded rock
I wonder how many max stacks of bloodletter bleed there can be
Hypothetically with a boss you could intentionally cancel the full animation a few times to get a ton of bleed stacks if it does stack
hallow parrot
I don't like that the graia BAG feels so good
bitter turtle
Bleed does okay boss damage but if you can full rev you definitely should
hallow parrot
'cause it makes me want to use it
and I just know I'll be on a party and nobody will have a long range weapon and we'll all be sitting there like 20m from a wall of gunners just going bananas on us and we'll go "welp"
terse idol
I wonder how many max stacks of bloodletter bleed there can be
Only wo many
Like you can test out bleed with like blood letter
In the psychanarium
hallow parrot
feels so good not having to reload after every burst compared to IAGs though
terse idol
Just hit it and see when the damage stops increasing
On like a crusher or
Reaper
Which is the closest to a boss
gilded rock
Bleed does okay boss damage but if you can full rev you definitely should
I would normally agree but if you can put multiple instances of 13 stacks of bleed on something chunky, it would definitely be worth it to do that
terse idol
This is the poor man's test
bitter turtle
Yeah but the rev does way more
It's not like you aren't applying 14 thru rev anyway
Canceling it just to stick some more on is less dmg than having the rev go through, it has good unyielding modifiers
gilded rock
I don't mean cancel it every time, just two or three times and rev windup/cancel is near-instant
If we were talking thammer's kinda windup and cancel it would be different I think
But then again I could be wrong, I have testing to do when I get home 
somber axle
That does sound pretty funny
Also what's going on with the Kantrael Shotgun and Manstopper
I remember seeing someone here comment on the cleave being meh even with Manstopper
I'm vaguely tempted to roll a Kantrael Shotgun with Flechette and Manstopper to test a bleed and burn strat on mixed hordes
Use with Weapon Specialist to guarantee the crit for Flechette and Manstopper to force the cleave and bleed
Lawbringer can be meme'd
Can Kantrael?
faint beacon
@tall torrent
lost cosmos
if i buy a plasma gun now, will its rating go up as i level up?
tall torrent
if i buy a plasma gun now, will its rating go up as i level up?
No
lost cosmos
oh
faint beacon
if i buy a plasma gun now, will its rating go up as i level up?
Sadly no
lost cosmos
so i shouldnt do all the blessings and stuff
lost cosmos
alr
faint beacon
I usually wait till 30
tall torrent
Don’t bother with crafting until lv30+ imo
faint beacon
What a name lmao
tall torrent
I’ve come to the realization that
Knife zealot without duellist + precog up
Is like
Quite literally
Half the dmg as knife vet
faint beacon
Gonna grab a water, Ill be back in give or take 2 mins tops
tall torrent
Ok
lost cosmos
plasma gun seems kinda mid
tall torrent
plasma gun seems kinda mid
Don’t use charged shots
tiny summit
Oh yea we can change names right?
lost cosmos
Don’t use charged shots
alr
faint beacon
alright back
hearty panther
the mountain dew cool blue baja blaster
somber axle
Don’t use charged shots
I have a Plasma gun with Gets Hot + Volatile with 80% Charge Rate stat and it makes for some really funny quick charged shots
Uncharged shots are better but tbh if Blaze Away is optional enough to rotate it out for Glory Hunter then I can let go of both for funny fast charge speed
And it makes Plasma a little more funny for how I like to use it
Don't do what I do
This is now a fat Helbore than explodes if I do it wrong
faint beacon
@tall torrent
smoky frost
Stabber mans
faint beacon
I've hit my limit of Darktide for a bit
tall torrent
Alr gg
faint beacon
But I personally Enjoy Evis just cause of being able to glide through pox hordes like fucking butter lmao
tall torrent
What gun were u using
faint beacon
Mk 2 Heavy las
tall torrent
But I personally Enjoy Evis just cause of being able to glide through pox hordes...
Try perfect strike with smth like bloodthirsty
Yuri’s idea
Perfect strike makes rev L1 not get stuck on horde anymore
That’s for XV evicerator anyway
faint beacon
Was using XV damn thing is fun
tall torrent
XV has crazy boss dmg potential
agile forge
It’s pretty fun
What ranged are you using with it? Which style of knife zealot?
faint beacon
What ranged are you using with it? Which style of knife zealot?
I think he was also using a Las Pistol
unsure which one
agile forge
Haven't considered that, I like my throwing knives
Knife 3, Flamer, throwing knives stealth zealot is really addictive personally
tall torrent
What ranged are you using with it? Which style of knife zealot?
mk2 laspistol
was using this
unique orchid
no freaking way
austere pine
atoma's saved! they sent cain to help us
median crest
Love plasma
somber vault
is scattershot hard to find or am i thinking of something else
somber axle
Not really. It's one of the Shotgun blessings and comes in rank III and rank IV variants so you can more easily roll for it at Hadron
Manstopper is the hard Shotgun blessing to roll since it comes exclusively in rank II which can be much rarer to see on a level 30 character trying to roll weapons
somber vault
riight
sturdy zephyr
I got my scattershot. I never knew manstopper till i read the discussion.
tawny badger
How we feeling about this one fellas
tiny summit
Not the god roll but eh change both perks and it's fine
full nacelle
Anyone know which perks are best on a mkVI Combat Blade?
tall torrent
Anyone know which perks are best on a mkVI Combat Blade?
Elite + carapace
2 stam is good tho imo
somber axle
How we feeling about this one fellas
It's pretty solid. Not bad. You have the good blessings. Rank III is fine imo
Change the perks per numbers cat recommendation and you have a good Mk III Helbore
Not perfect but VERY good
serene bough
I don't like helsnores
tawny badger
turns out the hellebore ain’t for me
somber axle
I'd recommend building a Mk II because I think it just feels much better to play with but that's a tricky ask
It's basically the Rashad Combat Axe Mk II of ranged weapons for the amount of stats, perks and blessings it NEEDS
tall torrent
It's basically the Rashad Combat Axe Mk II of ranged weapons for the amount of s...
Not rly
There’re way harder to roll weapons
Vraks7
Is the Rashad equivalent
In terms of how difficult it is to get a good one
somber axle
Not rly
You want high Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate. You want Weigjt of Fire and Surgical. You need Unarmoured perk for Dreg Gunner. You want either Maniac for Flamer breakpoints or Carapace to drop Crusher kill from the 5-7 range down to 2-3 shotting them. You could argue that with high enough charge rate Weight of Fire becomes less valuable but high charge rate and Weight of Fire make it into a very fast hard hitting gun when it gets going
tall torrent
You want high Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate. You want Weigjt of Fire an...
It functions without WoF
somber axle
That is a LOT to roll for
somber axle
It functions without WoF
It functions fine without but objectively better with
tall torrent
It’s not like Rashad where not gettting your 1 tap breakpoint drops its effectiveness by like 50%
somber axle
There are not many good blessings for it
No Respite doesn't help on any breakpoints afaik
somber axle
So it's pretty useless other than extra damage on bayonet stab for Ragers and even that doesn't help breakpoints there either
somber axle
Helbore does not
A Mk II without Surgical, Unarmoured or Maniac/Carapace will feel pretty awful
somber axle
You can reroll 2 but the last one will hurt
tall torrent
Maniac is for a crit HS breakpoint…
You can use elite and get the same Dreg gunner 1HS
tall torrent
It’s not awful
somber axle
And not guaranteed if you don't have it
tall torrent
Yeah which is basically guaranteed with Surgical
You’re blurring the line between usable and godroll here
Rashad usable is 3/4 roll with specific high stats
somber axle
Though extra funny points for doing Deadshot and Surgical on a Mk II for how fast it can fire with high charge rate and weight of fire
tall torrent
Helbore requires nothing like that
Rashad literally hits no cleave for bruisers unless u get the breakpoints
somber axle
You’re blurring the line between usable and godroll here
Where do you define usable because like the Mk II Recon is also usable but most would disagree
tall torrent
It does not function properly without getting those rolls
somber axle
It does not function properly without getting those rolls
I'd argue a Mk II Helbore also does not function properly without the right stats, perks and blessings
tall torrent
I'd argue a Mk II Helbore also does not function properly without the right stat...
You’re just very simply mistaken then
somber axle
And will feel noticeably worse
Unless you just go for bayonet memes
Not with the Mk II
tall torrent
Helbore is basically good to go out of the box
somber axle
You need a lot to justify using it over the Mk I
Otherwise just use the Mk I Helbore instead
tall torrent
You only really need surgical + unarmored/elite for dreg gunner 1 tap
somber axle
No? Mk II is not good to go out of the box and neither is the Mk III
tall torrent
Flamer crit 1HS is not as important of a breakpoint when u can 1HS stab them with bayonet anyways
somber axle
They both feel awful without their preferred perks and blessings
Just ask anyone who tries a Helbore and dislikes it
tall torrent
No? Mk II is not good to go out of the box and neither is the Mk III
You only really need 2/4 rolls correct with a pure dump stat
somber axle
Can almost guarantee that if you give anyone who dislikes a Helbore a proper roll with the right stats, perks and blessings they will do a 180 on disliking the weapon with some practice
tall torrent
Rashad needs 3/4 correct with 4/5 stat high roll to even start functioning properly
You’re making zero sense
somber axle
Well I am a clown but literally this is what I have seen and felt
potent iris
are y'all comparing helbore bayonet to rashad??
potent iris
oh ok I was so lost because in my head I was like "one is a gun and one is an axe???"
tawny badger
I'd recommend building a Mk II because I think it just feels much better to play...
Idk if it’s a thing with all the hellbores or just the mk III but
I have tunnel vision BAD when using it and it takes too long to pull out
tall torrent
oh ok I was so lost because in my head I was like "one is a gun and one is an ax...
He’s basically trying to tell me that Helbore has anywhere close of a roll requirement as Rashad
somber axle
I said that rolling a good Mk II Helbore is the ranged weapon equivalent of the Rashad Combat Axe for the perks/blessings it demands to hit breakpoints on top of the important stat rolls to aim for to put it ahead the Mk I Helbore that it directly competes with
tawny badger
like compared to every single other gun in the game, my situational awareness is just nonexistent with the hellbore for some reason
tall torrent
I said that rolling a good Mk II Helbore is the ranged weapon equivalent of the ...
Rolling a good Helbore 2 is surgical + unarmored/elite
somber axle
Without all that it is just an awkward gun to use
potent iris
I'd have no idea how to compare, I got lucky with rashad and helbore's have been rng hell for me
tall torrent
You don’t have to have WoF to use HB2 properly
WoF drops stacks all the time
You don’t have to have maniac to use HB2 properly
somber axle
WoF is what makes the magic happen
WoF with high charge rate vs no WoF is night and day
tall torrent
You don’t Crit weakspot every flamer and you have a bayonet (charge) that 1 shots them regardless
Compare that to Rashad where it legitimately does not function properly without 3/4 correct rolls and 4/5 high stat rolls
somber axle
Particularly when you're putting lots of shots down range during Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlets and the extra speed is outputting much, much faster
Plus comboing it with Deadshot, Target Down and Surgical for free shots that put down targets fast is beautiful
tall torrent
Missing any breakpoint on Rashad hurts because it immediately blocks your cleave and makes your horde clear 4x worse
How is that anywhere near comparable
Answer: it’s not
somber axle
It becomes magical when you get everything you need but it's just sorta basic without everything and awkward if you brick it
It is not ok to use if bricked
It does not come out of the box ok if you get nothing and have to reroll 2 things
tall torrent
It does not come out of the box ok if you get nothing and have to reroll 2 thing...
Needing only 2/4 rolls to be correct for it to work properly is a significantly smaller ask than Rashad, is what I’m saying
frank ocean
Infantry auto guns all share blessings, right? Melk has an Agripa MK1 IA with Dumdum 4, so would that be usable on Columnus?
tall torrent
A more accurate comparison would be Vraks 7
somber axle
I'd say it needs more than 2/4 to work
tall torrent
Vraks 7 actually requires a lot more
somber axle
I'd say it needs 4/4 to work and the right stats or it feels like garbo
tall torrent
I'd say it needs more than 2/4 to work
Then ur just nitpicking between what’s good and what’s godroll
somber axle
Taking 7 shots for a Crusher vs taking 2 shots
Like ok ignore the Maniac perk if you want but that's a massive leap
It was also not a hard breakpoint to keep on the Mk II when I tested it
tall torrent
Taking 7 shots for a Crusher vs taking 2 shots
You’re probably the only person to play HB2 with the intention of making it be your main carapace answer
somber axle
You have to actively drop a LOT of damage talents just to bring it into the 3HKO range
somber axle
You’re probably the only person to play HB2 with the intention of making it be y...
Yeah because I like turning guns into anti-Carapace
Plasma, Revolver and CIAG are the meta because they handle anything and everything well but I'd argue plasma and revolver do poorly for clearing ranged trash and CIAG recoil makes it clunky for doing the role even if it does it ammo efficiently
tall torrent
Clearing ranged enemies is not that complicated
somber axle
Mk II Helbore built properly does everything and does it more ammo efficient
tall torrent
Just depends on whether you want to shoot them or not
somber axle
Clearing ranged enemies is not that complicated
It's not but if you dump plasma shots into every dreg shooter and scab shooter/stalker you see your ammo will be red in minutes
tall torrent
Mk II Helbore built properly does everything and does it more ammo efficient
Extra 2 point cost on ET because it doesn’t have ghost
tall torrent
The point cost for playing sharpshooter is just unreasonable
gilded rock
Clearing ranged enemies is not that complicated
Woe, 50 ranged chaff spread out upon ye
somber axle
The point cost for playing sharpshooter is just unreasonable
I agree but I consider it worthwhile
tall torrent
Woe, 50 ranged chaff spread out upon ye
Yea, helbore actually doesn’t do that well in those situations
gilded rock
It usually isn't but when it is, it is
tall torrent
You’re usually better off just sliding in for melee at that point
somber axle
Yea, helbore actually doesn’t do that well in those situations
It does much, much better than Plasma and Revolver especially when it comes to ammo efficiency
You slide into melee and I will safely shoot
We do the same thing in different ways
tall torrent
It does much, much better than Plasma and Revolver especially when it comes to a...
A plasma/revolver player just goes for melee and kills everything faster
somber axle
A plasma/revolver player just goes for melee and kills everything faster
Ok but there's no way a Plasma user swapping melee and slide dodging at each group of spread scab shooters is ever going to clear them faster than a Helbore Mk II shooting them
Kill specials/elites faster but become very wasteful on ammo shooting at ranged trash and force into melee
tall torrent
Ok but there's no way a Plasma user swapping melee and slide dodging at each gro...
Ur not gonna believe this but he prob is gonna be faster
somber axle
Meanwhile Mk II Helbore does melee without needing to swap and can sit comfortably at range cutting down shooters whether elite or non-elite without needing to dodge slide into melee or weapon swap
tall torrent
Unless you put him in a situation where ranged enemies are spread out and far enough away that sprinting takes more time than ideal
But that’s pretty rare
somber axle
Ur not gonna believe this but he prob is gonna be faster
Mr. Craime and Azrael are superhuman. I do not factor them in when comparing weapons because those two operate at skill levels literally unattainable for the vast majority of us LMFAO
gilded rock
But that’s pretty rare
I would like to swap games with you, I get huge rooms of spread dudes solely focusing me all the fucking time
twin cipher
This just needs pinning right?
somber axle
I'd beat you in killing a room of shooters with my Mk II Helbore while you dodge slide at them though
tall torrent
Mr. Craime and Azrael are superhuman. I do not factor them in when comparing wea...
I’m not that good and I can tell that I clear horde shooters faster when I go in for melee instead of trying to get headshots on them with a gun
If I’m gonna use a gun it’s for a few ranged enemies, not a literal wave of them
Unless it’s shotgunner/gunner spam
The moment you pressure them into melee range, they’re not as high threat anymore
somber axle
I’m not that good and I can tell that I clear horde shooters faster when I go in...
With knife? Definitely not. Plasma Sword? No that weapon is slow. Rashad? That's a challenge at least for the mobility/wave clear potential and I'm still confident I'd outshoot an Axe
tall torrent
With knife? Definitely not. Plasma Sword? No that weapon is slow. Rashad? That's...
With knife? Yes lol
Knife clears horde slow
midnight totem
Alrighty
tall torrent
That is a very different sentence from
somber axle
You're fast enough to reach them but killing groups of shooters will be slower
tall torrent
Knife kills a few enemies in a group slow
midnight totem
I tried manstopper blessed knives
somber axle
It doesn't do multi-killing well
midnight totem
It's pretty funny
twin cipher
Anyone know if I just need pinning on the bolter I sent?
tall torrent
You're fast enough to reach them but killing groups of shooters will be slower
Man it’s really not as slow as u think
twin cipher
Wondering if the perks r fine
tall torrent
Knife has one of the best short engagement ttks
somber axle
Man it’s really not as slow as u think
It is because I had to do the dumb Loner Penance on Zealot which is faster to close the distance than Vet
And Knife doesn't have good wave clear
You can reach the backline quick but you will not be clearing it fast
somber axle
What combo did you use?
I'm not sure tbh. I'd have to check Clarisse but definitely the Mk VI
somber axle
And still slower than a gun that can sit still and shoot target to target
You don't even need to charge shots on shooters
Just tap fire heads
Ezpz
midnight totem
Pfft. You guys are looking over the obvious
tall torrent
This just needs pinning right?
Fais is usable but not great
If you’re gonna swap to pinning fire, switch shattering impact
midnight totem
Instead of shooting them with the helbore, dodge slide at them and bayonet. Even faster
somber axle
And be forced to eat a 2 point tax
You already eat like a massive entire half of the talent tree tax for Rashad though
Why are you squeamish over 2 points
tall torrent
You already eat like a massive entire half of the talent tree tax for Rashad tho...
Did you actually just forget what I said in the call
somber axle
Did you actually just forget what I said in the call
I might have since I am running on fumes
I desperately wanted coffee during lunch break but cut the craving with decaf
I need to be able to sleep when I get home for work tomorrow early morning
gilded rock
I might have since I am running on fumes
Oh dude we're both out of work now 
somber axle
4 hours of sleep is making my brain go numb
gilded rock
Twinsies
tall torrent
I might have since I am running on fumes
Rashad takes 2~3 point tax to run on top of the usual superiority complex route
somber axle
Oh dude we're both out of work now <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
Nah I have another almost 3 hours LOL
tall torrent
Which you already take
tall torrent
Would u rather have a Rashad that hits its main breakpoints & be able to turbo clear horde, or a forced 2 point talent tax just so u can click head on shooters
somber axle
Rashad takes 2~3 point tax to run on top of the usual superiority complex route
2 point tax doesn't really sound like a big deal for Rashad or for Mk II Helbore tbh
midnight totem
Anyway. I killed 8 shotgunners with one manstopper knife. I think I will keep this build, I like it
gilded rock
To have a lot higher clear speed of spread shooters, a (in my experience) very common situation, 2 points sounds like nothing
somber axle
Would u rather have a Rashad that hits its main breakpoints & be able to turbo c...
Dude I already eat an entire talent tree tax for Recons. Anything less is paradise LOL
tall torrent
Dude I already eat an entire talent tree tax for Recons. Anything less is paradi...
I just don’t really see myself taking exhilarating takedown ever
somber axle
If this sounds goofy, you should have seen my friends laugh at me obsessively doing every single quest in FF14 and spending an unreasonable time in ARR after we all swapped from WoW
tall torrent
I 100%ed AC Origins so ik what u mean
somber axle
Playing arguably the weakest part of the game and being in love with it is a weird recurring thing with me
somber axle
I just don’t really see myself taking exhilarating takedown ever
I like it for fun feel good headshot mini game I can see
tall torrent
But sharpshooter vet just has too many problems
somber axle
Mini games are why I love Exe Stance, Marksman's Focus, etc.
They feel like games within games
tall torrent
Idrk a gun where exhilarating actually does as good as CK / O4B
somber axle
You don't really have to think about Weapon Specialist once you've become used to it
tall torrent
Without ammo problems
somber axle
It just becomes a passive boost
Focus Target is just use ping more often and at best you can optimize recharging time for FT stacks in combo with certain weapon breakpoints when you know exactly how many stacks you need for a breakpoint and can safely delay to that number
But then also
Redirect Fire and brain turn off
somber axle
I like things that force me to focus
tall torrent
You don’t wait for stacks ever
somber axle
Sometimes I wait for stacks depending on the targe
Like a boss
Applying full 5 stacks vs applying just 2
bitter turtle
Idrk a gun where exhilarating actually does as good as CK / O4B
I run et on v7 but it's not my first choice
somber axle
Or Bulwark approaching shield high
tall torrent
You can apply 2 first then wait for 5
somber axle
You have the time to let the stacks recharge on approach
tall torrent
I run et on v7 but it's not my first choice
Idk a build where it’s actually first choice
somber axle
And with Target Down I want the delicious extra stam/toughness
tall torrent
Maybe MG4 but at that point just run O4B
somber axle
Maybe MG4 but at that point just run O4B
Both 
tall torrent
Because anything that staggers (doesn’t kill) on headshot sorta has bad synergy with ET
bitter turtle
Target down also is supplementing it in that build
tall torrent
Both <:bceCoy1Evil1:593020248513314816>
A major benefit to MG4 is to be able to run ghost and not care about ET at all
bitter turtle
Kinda like a pseudo ck
somber axle
Also I need to return to work before my supervisor figures out I have been lost in the Darktide sauce in my phone
somber axle
A major benefit to MG4 is to be able to run ghost and not care about ET at all
I don't run Ghost though
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supervise these nuts
tall torrent
I don't run Ghost though
But you should
somber axle
supervise these nuts
somber axle
But you should
I should do a lot of things but the wisest course of action is rarely the one I pick willingly and that's why I main Recon
midnight totem
Stop slacking
midnight totem
Cutting your rations
somber axle
Just a bit to finish and 2.5 hours to do it
midnight totem
Putting you on a no recon allowed penance
somber axle
Cutting your rations
Good I am trying to lose more weight anyway
somber axle
Putting you on a no recon allowed penance
I will die of Recon withdrawal
You can't cut me off cold turkey like this
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midnight totem
Fastest way to turn you into a servitor
midnight totem
If it includes your recon meeting you in the future, and getting into a complicated entanglement with an alternate recon, I'll watch that show
midnight totem
https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me...
I'm not gonna lie
Your pfp scares the shit out of me
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atomic zephyr
woman jumpscare
midnight totem
Morbidly funny game, but those players will steal my kidneys
somber axle
Your pfp scares the shit out of me
Why does that scare you
junior needle
Me waiting for my Recon
Me waiting for recon buffs/rework
oblique totem
You can't fix her.
junior needle
I can make her worse
last parcel
You can't fix her.
oblique totem
Rip
somber axle
Me waiting for recon buffs/rework
My tinfoil hat theory is that the discord mods and devs are aware of a very small subset of clowns who will suddenly outpace Plasma, Revolver and CIAG if they accidentally buff it enough to make it appealing to the average player and we terrify them by existing
The instant Recons begin surpassing those weapons the devs will nuke it from orbit again LMFAO
Always remember
oblique totem
They do not scare me, as they have loyalties, albeit a twisted form of it.
Clowns scare me. As clowns have no loyalties, only appetites.
somber axle
No matter how good any of you are with Plasma, Revolver or CIAG
The devs are not scared of you
They're scared of Recons
junior needle
My tinfoil hat theory is that the discord mods and devs are aware of a very smal...
Even with all the effort and glass cannon setup, you can still do more damage with better ammo efficiency on an ilas
junior needle
Let me grab an old scoreboard
somber axle
Even with all the effort and glass cannon setup, you can still do more damage wi...
An ilas can't touch a Crusher
oblique totem
https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-1187736124423479037
See what I mean?
somber axle
If anyone could make literally any Infantry Lasgun kill a Crusher with 2k+ DPS I will hop into a voice chat and tell you you're cooler than me
It can't be done
oblique totem
I'll do it
junior needle
If anyone could make literally any Infantry Lasgun kill a Crusher with 2k+ DPS I...
It can with flat rending nodes, just not as efficiently as an automatic with onslaught. But everything else.
oblique totem
I accept
junior needle
Here's a no ammo challenge run I did awhile back
I had infernus on that ilas
That was before the ammo node was on the way to shocktrooper
And I had about half my ammo remaining when the match ended
somber axle
It can with flat rending nodes, just not as efficiently as an automatic with ons...
A Mk IV with Rending Strikes, Onslaught and maybe Marksman's Focus max stack Rending maybe could do something funny when used with a combat stim assuming there's even enough points to reach across the tree like that but no one does that
junior needle
You wouldn't take onslaught for it
somber axle
Funnily enough the IV has a fast enough fire rate to maybe squeeze a little value out of Onslaught against a Crusher
junior needle
Even with dnd for ghost/deadshot abuse it wouldnt be efficient
somber axle
I accept
Please don't make me regret this
How can I maintain the air of SNEAKY if someone hears me
oblique totem
_Please don't make me regret this_
2k DPS is the only requirement, right?
somber axle
Even with dnd for ghost/deadshot abuse it wouldnt be efficient
You're correct but I am mentally pathing out if it is even possible to make a Mk IV into a Crusher killing machine and the possibility terrifies me only because I said something stupid
somber axle
2k DPS is the only requirement, right?
Oh look at the time I should get back to work
junior needle
Crusher killing isn't the only measure of usefulness
oblique totem
Not relevant
junior needle
You're correct but I am mentally pathing out if it is even possible to make a Mk...
Ez, I didn't even hit all headshots
oblique totem
It's not about being right, it's about making a point.
junior needle
Didn't even take onslaught
Same setup, laspistol 2
Laspistol killed it in 4 ammo
Dominance of other las weapons over the recons in clown setups has been established
sturdy zephyr
Dang melted like butter
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junior needle
hot juniper
Whats a good VoC build? Does revolver work for it or is a shotgun better?
somber axle
Dominance of other las weapons over the recons in clown setups has been establis...
No because Azrael showed me a new funny way to hit 3k+ DPS on a Recon. My Recon can do up to 3.4k DPS approaching literally killing a Crusher in 1 second or less and with some more clown science I might be able to hit that plus, funny enough, a Recon VId can use as little as 5 ammo in an ideal situation and the usual ammo cost is 6-9 ammo if used correctly with less than ideal crit strings. But like fair is fair you did the funny thing LMFAO
junior needle
Ez, I didn't even hit all headshots
Turns out if I hit more shots I get more dps 😩
somber axle
3.6k is the cap on Crushers and I feel like that is slowly coming into the realm of possibility for a Recon Mk VId
Outside of Exe Stance my Recon can pull 2100-2300 DPS on a Crusher
junior needle
No because Azrael showed me a new funny way to hit 3k+ DPS on a Recon. My Recon ...
Let me guess
somber axle
that's without Exe Stance
junior needle
It's taking more damage
somber axle
Let me guess
Yes but in a way I was oblivious to. Numbers cat and Azrael taught me how Close Damage actually works so now Close Quarters Kill Zone is a funny new node for boosting DPS
junior needle
Yes, I told you how close damage works as well
somber axle
Yeah but I'm stupid so it didn't stick until I was on 4 hours of sleep for some reason
Well maybe not stupid
Maybe just stubborn
Part of the reason I wear the clown costume
junior needle
While obviously a semi won't be as effective at carapace as an automatic with onslaught
(unless it fucks carapace by default)
The other weapons still have the benefit of being faster and more ammo efficient for other targets
somber axle
Depends on Recon crit string variance tbh since the Recon Mk IV needs multiple shots per target for a lot of things. It has basically infinite ammo with how deep the reserve is but it still spends more on most targets I think
If a Recon Mk VId kills a Crusher in as little as 5 ammo spent it can kill other things very effectively too
junior needle
It does not have basically infinite ammo
somber axle
I haven't really tested it vs Maulers but I'd guess it outperforms the Mk VI on that
somber axle
It does not have basically infinite ammo
It's an exaggeration but the Mk IV has such a deep ammo pool that it feels nearly impossible to run out of ammo
I had 3 ammo goblins in an Auric and still never went red
junior needle
IV is mk4
somber axle
I was orange which was terrifying but still
junior needle
There is no mk4 recon
somber axle
Mk IV iLas
Infinite ammo for that is what I meant and that was also still a exaggeration
junior needle
Oh yes, it does have very high baseline ammo efficiency
somber axle
Recon Mk VId does not have anything close to infinite ammo and I would not try to say it does even despite how I have pushed it to see how deep the ammo efficiency can go
But anyway yeah do you want to do the voice chat thing or can I bribe you with a steam gift card instead
If you pass on both I appreciate it
last parcel
voice chat or double it and give it to the next person
junior needle
What voice chat thing
somber axle
If anyone could make literally any Infantry Lasgun kill a Crusher with 2k+ DPS I...
This
somber axle
voice chat or double it and give it to the next person
I'm not sure how I could double it tbh
Anyway jokes aside I can't right now anyway
I am at work for another hour
last parcel
I'm not sure how I could double it tbh
one voice call, then kill them and resurrect them for another voice call
somber axle
I'll give you money if you let me not do this
junior needle
The contract is sealed
somber axle
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https://tenor.com/view/the-northman-northman-reasonsimbroke-willem-dafoe-focus-features-gif-24200263
potent iris
my last email from the IRS be like
junior needle
oblique totem
Damn it, someone beat me to it
atomic zephyr
ok chat
what cool weapon should i try out
nvm brunt just gave me a 379 boltgun
debating if gloryhunter is worth keeping
tough tiger
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magdump poxwalkers
junior needle
For notes on it
somber axle
debating if gloryhunter is worth keeping
Glory Hunter isn't awful but yeah Pinning Fire is definitely better. Pinning Fire helps you meet a very obscure stagger breakpoint on Bulwark shields
atomic zephyr
i do have a surgical/pinning boltgun already
slate hawk
<:GalaxyBrain:830525401758695425>
atomic zephyr
shame I don’t have an upgrade for it tho
thin stone
Can someone recommend the best recon or infantry lasgun
And what's the playstyle with it
MG12 is the best infantry lasgun isn't it?
tame lodge
MG12 is the best infantry lasgun isn't it?
Nuh uh, it's the Ia
thin stone
Oh
tiny summit
The 12 got power crept. The Ia just hits most of the same breakpoints with a higher fire rate
somber axle
Can someone recommend the best recon or infantry lasgun
I am very biased so take my opinions with a grain of salt but
Kantrael Infantry Lasguns
Mg1a >= Mk IV > XII
(I personally like the Mk IV most for the deep ammo pool and fast fire rate)
Accatran Recon Lasguns
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II
(I run a special talent set up that makes the Mk VId better on damage and ammo efficiency than the VIIa but for general use VIIa is better without being tied too heavily to a glass cannon talent tree)
somber axle
Can I show you something funny
thin stone
Can I show you something funny
Sure
thin stone
How's the Columnus Mk V IA
Also please answer this and about the melee weapon, that would be extremely helpful
somber axle
Sure
This is an old build and I can now do 3.4k+ DPS on a Crusher with it
This gun used only 5 ammo
I should clarify
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you should
somber axle
This was doing funny glass cannon science
This is not a build that will serve you well in general play because it sacrifices all manner of utility and defense in your talent tree in favour of taking every source of damage
This is also done without Close Quarters Kill Zone which has increased DPS to 3.4k
The Recons can be set up to do some very funny damage
wild vortex
How's the Columnus Mk V IA
CIAG is wild
somber axle
But for a new player I would recommend trying the Infantry Lasguns first since they're more reliable
thin stone
Ok
wild vortex
Like Chainsword or Power Sword
Smoothbrain player like me prefers a well rolled Rashad, though it's hard to go wrong with psword unless you're a scrublet like me who doesn't like charging attacks
somber axle
How's the Columnus Mk V IA
Oh also yeah that's probably one of the strongest weapons in the game and if you thought the Recon VId video was funny, you should know CIAG can do that for far less talent point investment
wild vortex
Holy that's a good piece
somber axle
The current meta favours Plasma, Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun
thin stone
I see
somber axle
Any of those and you are using the most powerful guns in the Vet arsenal
thin stone
What melee would you recommend with the IAG
somber axle
Yeah this is pretty much a perfect roll so I'd recommend sticking with that unless you want to try other guns for fun
somber axle
What melee would you recommend with the IAG
I'd use Combat Knife VI tbh because I value the mobility and the very fast 3 hit combo to instagib Crushers
somber axle
Power Sword works too if you have Power Cycler IV
wild vortex
Rashad
wild vortex
Rashad is insane but it NEEDS good perks and blessings
somber axle
Rashad Combat Axe Mk II is probably the best all around melee in the game for Vet right now
thin stone
Rashad is insane but it NEEDS good perks and blessings
No problem, what perks and blessings?
somber axle
The tricky bit is that it needs a near perfect roll
wild vortex
somber axle
No problem, what perks and blessings?
wild vortex
From numbers cat's guide
somber axle
Damn he beat me to it
thin stone
Thanks
wild vortex
Idk if he's changed anything for Rashad
somber axle
But yeah numbers cat has the old guide pinned here
He's writing a 2.0 version that is more up to date
More info too
thin stone
Is this good?
As a weapon to mow down large groups of crushers and stuff
I guess not haha
tiny summit
It's a good weapon but it's no crusher killer
thin stone
Ohk
somber axle
Is this good?
I mean I've juiced the Shredder Autopistol into being a viable weapon for killing Crushers so really anything goes if you want to do silly talent set ups
but for something approaching a more standard meta build no
thin stone
Ok
junior needle
Can someone recommend the best recon or infantry lasgun
Just fyi, recons are big shit on a baseline currently and the only thing salvaging them somewhat is the talent tree. The sneaky showcases are using a ludicrous of juice for big psyk showcase numbers, which isn't representative of actual play.
Please take psyk warrior showcases with a grain of salt
somber axle
Yes this is true
I still run them in Auric Damnation difficulty
It's probably not recommended to do what I do
It'll be more effort for less damage
junior needle
It's very not recommended
somber axle
but I find it fun
Also I need to sleep so we'll figure out when to do that thing another time Soldier 69
I must crash after work
gilded wraith
Just saw the close damage comment, is it an extra multiplier?
junior needle
It works like anoint in blood
The damage boost tapers off over range from 8m to 30m
All forms of close damage seem to work like that now
So basically dumdum is an omnipresent damage boost in the ranges you'll typically be hitting the majority of things
trim steppe
Is this good?
This is a very solid Agri brauto. If you spec into onslaught it can become a crusher killer in a pinch but it won't be ammo efficient. If you leave crushers to your melee or kraks, this gun will terminate everything else in the game
sinful jacinth
So bug made us carry 3 grims tell finish in auric.
hybrid token
agile forge
Garbage today but maybe good tomorrow
glad spade
we are getting an update tmrw?
glad spade
aighty
midnight totem
Why we getting an update tomorrow
odd lynx
With all this talk of hell bore 2 and Rashad 2 breakpoints, what are the exact stat breakpoints? I don't see them listed in the vet guide ❤️
lime gyro
Man
Melk still has yet to bless me w pcycle 4
And hadron just loves to rob my plasteel
hollow warren
I've lost probably around 20k plasteel trying to get PC4
and now I can just have it for 3k milkpoints
lime gyro
I lost count atp
Ive spent that much just on trying to get the perfect 6d recon roll and atleast the same trying to get pcycler 4
also can anyone tell me if this is any good/worth keeping and if so shud i change anything or leave it as is
agile forge
Not a fan of Bloodthirsty on an assault chainsword tbh
Savage sweep is better than Wrath for the mark 4
Because it horde clears with heavies, while the 13g which favours Wrath does so with lights
lime gyro
Thanks bro
What would be the most ideal blessing to pair with savage sweep for my future chainswords
agile forge
Rampage is the top blessing iirc
Second should be either savage sweep or shred?
Mine is savage sweep and rampage
Oh, bloodletting also an option iirc
hollow warren
Finally. Now I can have some proper fun
agile forge
Sacrifices cleave for crusher killing
lime gyro
Crusher killing wud be pretty useful
hollow warren
Huh, I've noticed something odd. When you power up your sword and do the "push + follow up" attack, only the first attack is powered
agile forge
I just bring a crusher killer in another slot if I take the chainsword tbh
One of my builds takes plasma, the other takes zarona and krak
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me when i blow myself with plasma
agile forge
How
junior needle
What would be the most ideal blessing to pair with savage sweep for my future ch...
13g in particular wants wrath (mandatory, due to being a lightspammer) and either shred or rampage
oblique totem
What fresh hell...?
frank ether
we are getting an update tmrw?
I have a feeling it may take a few weeks since they started posting uh.. literal emotes as hype on twitter, they'll most likely drop an actual teaser few days before the update.
radiant chasm
VVRRRRRRRMMMPPH 💦💦
last parcel
hanging at The Tops really blows my top
full nacelle
Huh, I've noticed something odd. When you power up your sword and do the "push +...
If you go into lights after the push attack you can use the other stacks 
tiny summit
Huh, I've noticed something odd. When you power up your sword and do the "push +...
As long as you mash light attack, the rest of the string after the push attack will be energized. It's how you can get crusher 2 taps with it
hollow warren
delicate helm
what does brittleness do?
agile forge
Reduces enemy armour effectiveness
So if your gun ordinarily deals 100 damage to unarmoured and 10 to Carapace, say
10% brittleness on the target would increase you to 20 damage per shot
delicate helm
neat
agile forge
It's basically rending but as a debuff on the target instead of as a modifier on yourself
And I think it has a cap
terse idol
I have a feeling it may take a few weeks since they started posting uh.. literal...
Well we did juust have like skulls for the skullthrone event with that neww trailer teaser so
Yeeahh let's hope
last parcel
skuwws fo da gowden thwone
tiny summit
The most testosterone fueled war cry
oblique totem
hanging at The Tops really blows my top
somber axle
what does brittleness do?
Oh also since brittleness is a debuff on the target rather than a buff for yourself, it benefits the team by putting brittleness on a target they have reduced damage to too!
Love Onslaught for this reason
oblique totem
Teamwork? In this economy?
static rune
Not with these taxes
somber axle
If multiple people are all striking at groups of armour, the stacking brittleness helps the squad clear better
oblique totem
Sadly my teammates are too busy rushing ahead of everyone only to get downed and then tell us the rest of the team how unskilled they are.
somber axle
I tend to try to stick with as much of the squad as possible and since I usually use Recon, Knife, Triple Stam Curio, etc. I have the mobility to go anywhere I want and still catch up to the team when I want to
Someone can be across a map and I can be on them fast
Lets me divert down alleys for looting ammo, plasteel, stims, etc.
And not care if the team is sprinting ahead
tall marsh
Sadly my teammates are too busy rushing ahead of everyone only to get downed and...
even worse when they spam ping the shit out of the trapper that caught them
arctic rampart
The knife zealot who runs 4 zones ahead and gets knocked then gets replaced with a bot and then 4 zones push the group. Yup we all been there. It's more fun after the zealot leaves "target rich environment" 😄
thick kestrel
I tend to try to stick with as much of the squad as possible and since I usually...
triple stamina? dang. doesn't that leave you vulnerable in regards to toughness and HP? I'd presume you'd have to be careful with lots of small chips getting through?
or is that a +3 stamina curio and I'm misreading?
arctic rampart
@thick kestrel its for deadshot (drain stamina while using ADS)
if you pay with crab walking recon lasgun u gotta use every trick in the book
last parcel
or is that a +3 stamina curio and I'm misreading?
It's 3 +3 stamina
thick kestrel
aye, I'd think that. just if it's worth the trade for the bonus toughness and health.
last parcel
sneaky exudes chad energy and simply doesn't get hit
thick kestrel
so +9? O_o
arctic rampart
if you're questioning if its worth it for you then its not worth it for you. me either, I LIke my 200+ toughness
tall torrent
200 health is a pretty big breakpoint
arctic rampart
200 toughness lets you take no damage from a sniper or pox
tall torrent
With some caveats
arctic rampart
but then the trapper shoots you through the wall and stairs anyway
if you're at 5000 hours like sneaky you can run a 9 stamina spec
umbral parrot
9 stamina is amazing
steady stream
what shovel should I use?
arctic rampart
I imagine you need 3 stamina regen then too
umbral parrot
Just watch out for gunners. You have to be hyper aggressive and close the distance
thick kestrel
mhmm
arctic rampart
@steady stream the foldable shovel has lights for horde
arctic rampart
duck & dive?
umbral parrot
Of course, it's a must for any self respecting melee addict.
thick kestrel
I admit I tend to play with the intention of countering gunners for the team when running a shooty loadout. Veteran's good at the job and they do pop nicely with lasgun/HH autogun attention.
that or using a stealth/CVIAG loadout to dive them
arctic rampart
IMO you gotta assume your team can't do anything at all and you have to do it all
umbral parrot
Lol, pretty much
tall torrent
<@440945332168163338> the foldable shovel has lights for horde
And clears hordes immaculately slow
thick kestrel
thankfully I mostly play with a set team of friends, tends to help a ton ^^
arctic rampart
@tall torrent tahts true, thats why I run mk3 power sword with cyler 4 and brutal momentum though.
umbral parrot
I wish I had friends~ hmph
thick kestrel
Frags are a melee weapon... right? >_>
tall torrent
Mk3 horde clear speed is worse than Chainaxe and that’s hilarious
arctic rampart
u high
umbral parrot
Don't tempt me
tall torrent
50 poxwalker + 50 groaner
umbral parrot
I should try chain axe then~
tall torrent
Chainaxe with double power blessing is a little bit faster than that
arctic rampart
when someone goes and says mk4 chainaxe has better gdamn horde clear than power sword I know they're on drugs. I've used both weapons
tall torrent
when someone goes and says mk4 chainaxe has better gdamn horde clear than power ...
I’m saying mk3 shovel vs chainaxe
You simply misunderstood what I meant
somber axle
triple stamina? dang. doesn't that leave you vulnerable in regards to toughness ...
Yes and no. Yes because my Toughness is a lower number so I can't tank a Crusher or Mauler overhead like I can with my Tank Medic Build that uses Reassuringly Accurate on thr Mk II Laspistol or Glory Hunter on the Boltgun/Plasma and Born Leader in combo with other talents to restore team Toughness in coherency. I use more Toughness and Toughness Damage Reduction on that build and can literally eat a Crusher strike without going down
But on triple Stam I rely on hyper mobility. Dodge, block, positioning, etc. and I call it the clown dance. Play literally perfectly or fall. With the extra Stam I can afford to sprint more, block more, etc. so I'm only squishy if I eat a hit incorrectly instead of dodging/blocking/parrying
Also yes
arctic rampart
oh, shovel. sorry I thought you meant my power crutch sword. /door
hearty panther
power crutch lul
somber axle
So total +9 stam
thick kestrel
cheers!
tall torrent
Yea mk3 shovel’s horde clear is in disastrous grade
thick kestrel
that's... a daunting way to play, I think I'll stick to cuddling my bonus toughness and health curios ^^
somber axle
if you pay with crab walking recon lasgun u gotta use every trick in the book
I don't crab walk because I gave up the Spycrab Life when I stopped playing TF2. I am on my feet outrunning everything on the map
tall torrent
I would actually take CB6 over mk3 shovel for horde clear
arctic rampart
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shovel/munitorum-mk-vii-sapper-shovel the one with light, light for horde clear ... the mk3 one https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/shovel/munitorum-mk-iii-sapper-shovel has relentless strikedown . I guess I confused them
somber axle
Don't do what I do unless you are very confident in your map awareness, positioning, target priority, enemy moveset understanding and mobility (dodging/blocking/parrying)
thick kestrel
yarp
hearty panther
id take a tac axe over both
arctic rampart
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/axe-tactical/atrox-mk-vii-tactical-axe at least it has brutal momentum
somber axle
if you're questioning if its worth it for you then its not worth it for you. me...
Honestly outside of like Deadshot on automatic weapons it's probably a bad idea in general. Even if you are using Deadshot on a CIAG or Recon you can probably be fine managing the stamina from 2 Stam curios instead. I just love going all in on mobility and damage
tall torrent
id take a tac axe over both
Which one do u prefer, mk4?
hearty panther
ye i always simped for 4
tall torrent
HT + shred?
arctic rampart
I use 0 stam curios! AMA
hearty panther
the special is more precise
tall torrent
I need to try that
hearty panther
ht and deci
hearty panther
do w/e tho
hearty panther
im a fan of getting 10% power on my first five swings
arctic rampart
the speedy boys are literally 95% trash. then 1 in 20 is the hero we deserve
somber axle
Speedy only so I can zip around for fast rescues
If I see someone in a net or under a hound I am laser focused on getting to you ASAP to free you
I'm not sprinting halfway across the map solo like a knife Zealot
thick kestrel
one of the things I really like about infiltrate, you can be very zippy and pull off some silly rescues
somber axle
one of the things I really like about infiltrate, you can be very zippy and pull...
Yes! Exactly
And after learning new things from more clown science sessions I feel confident in dropping Exe Stance for Infiltrate on my Recon build again
I can afford to sacrifice a bit of juice for more speed/utility
thick kestrel
not to mention just turning on infil restores max toughness... really feel like it should mention that ^^
and you can get 2 charges! excellent panic button
arctic rampart
Infiltrate seems a lot better than exe stance. But both of them seem worse than VoC
somber axle
They're pretty good tools but they require the right build and they're not as universally useful as VoC
arctic rampart
I'm usually running VOC although if I know another vet or book zealot is running toughness I might swap
somber axle
You can get a LOT done with both of them and make more crazy plays with them in my experience
umbral parrot
I can't do executioner stance. It's SOOOO hard to hit your targets lol.
static rune
That's the one that highlights people right?
thick needle
Picking Executioner Stance is begging your Ogryn pal to stand directly in front of you
static rune
I no shit got Deadeye done in the first five minutes of a match because I grabbed my Helbore and charged up all my shots, also run the thing that highlights standard gunner enemies and refreshes the timer on a kill with it
I was having issues getting Deadeye completed because I was trying it with a Bolter and the recoil on that is atrocious so by the time I was about to center on another target my teammates would get to them
bitter turtle
Furry of the faithful
static rune
Run Helbore with Executioner stance it works 👍
Fact checked by real Imperium patriots
midnight totem
Helbore, boo
static rune
I have made an entire build around Krieg
You cannot boo me for dedication
Recon Lasgun and Helbore my beloved
last parcel
Helbore, boo
thick kestrel
You can get a LOT done with both of them and make more crazy plays with them in ...
there was a point pre-talent rework when mk8 Braced Autogun Executioner stance was gloriously strong and insanely powerful. always tempted to see if I could make a new version of it again but I suspect it's been powercrept ^^
fire frenzy and hit and run iirc, using that ranged immunity to duck and weave through a fight with little hipfire bursts scoring headshots.
somber axle
there was a point pre-talent rework when mk8 Braced Autogun Executioner stance w...
I miss when Exe Stance would full reload on use tbh
It would make automatic weapons extra silly
Boltgun burst would be even crazier
thick kestrel
mhmm, it's sad but it's in good hands with the Ogryns.
big friends make use of it well
used to be the go to with older shotgun builds as well iirc
letting you dump shells into bosses for big burst
arctic rampart
were shotguns ever good
cause whenever I try them they are just sooo much worse. whether it was auto reload boltguns or plasma or w/e always something way better
thick kestrel
they were niche, kind of still are in some ways? they need you to play into them but they can be silly rewarding
arctic rampart
"play into them" aka they weak
thick kestrel
nah, I mean in the same way you play into the revolver. they're strong against certain targets, mostly specials and elites.
arctic rampart
if recon lasgun are D, plasma|I_A_G|zerona are A, where are shotguns in your opinion
thick kestrel
but if you spam the shots into hordes and crushers, you're not going to get far
arctic rampart
is law an F
last parcel
law is D for Dredd
tall torrent
nah, I mean in the same way you play into the revolver. they're strong against c...
they're not nearly as good as revolver for anti-special work
uncut token
Slug go ting tho
thick kestrel
no, but they are more flexible. the aggripina in particular has a ton of solid niche case uses.
tall torrent
shotguns for veteran are in a very weird spot because veteran doesn't have throwing knives like zealot for anti-special
thick kestrel
I'm not saying they're god guns, but you can get a lot done with them you wouldn't expect
arctic rampart
this game needs some new guns.. what is it once a year? pretty weak
thick kestrel
the big trick is that Darktide shotguns are... more like actual shotguns? not game shotguns. the spreads are typically a lot tighter than you expect which makes them more precise than you'd think.
Ripper guns hold the videogame shotgun slot ^^
somber axle
were shotguns ever good
They've always been good
tall torrent
the big trick is that Darktide shotguns are... more like actual shotguns? not ga...
yes but the actual 1 shot range is still very limited
u can get away with this with zealot's throwing knives
on vet it becomes a much more pronounced problem
somber axle
There are no bad weapons, only players who don't know how to use them for what they're meant to do
And clowns who use them for more than they're meant to do
tall torrent
there're several bad weapons
arctic rampart
there are absolutely bad weapons when you compare them to top tier weapons
somber axle
Ok maybe some bad melees since I haven't gone through the whole melee roster like I have with ranged
tall torrent
Ok maybe some bad melees since I haven't gone through the whole melee roster lik...
mk10 laspistol is basically not relevant for veteran
arctic rampart
everyone's hand but like 5 people
somber axle
LMFAO
somber axle
mk10 laspistol is basically not relevant for veteran
It's like the Kantrael XII. Outpaced by other weapons but it's fine
tall torrent
mk10 laspistol is basically imagine if u had an MG12 but it took 4 headshots to kill a flamer
arctic rampart
if you have 5000 hours of crabwalking and are insane, hey recon is great! everyone else thinks it needs a buff
tall torrent
It's like the Kantrael XII. Outpaced by other weapons but it's fine
no, I would take MG12 over that thing 10/10 times
somber axle
if you have 5000 hours of crabwalking and are insane, hey recon is great! every...
Idk why you assume Recons crab walk
Who hurt you my dude
arctic rampart
cause I once had a game with 3 veterans using recon lasgun a few months ago and they were good. and they all walked like crabs
somber axle
no, I would take MG12 over that thing 10/10 times
Fair take but I swap weapons for whatever I feel like playing and sometimes I want pistol but not Mk II
arctic rampart
it made a deep impression on my soul
somber axle
cause I once had a game with 3 veterans using recon lasgun a few months ago and ...
Months ago? So not penance update then. That's a weird build but I will respect anyone who makes a non-meta build work LMFAO
tall torrent
Fair take but I swap weapons for whatever I feel like playing and sometimes I wa...
then u just get a bad weapon
somber axle
then u just get a bad weapon
We have different definitions of bad
Only bad weapons to me are boring ones because I play games for fun
Most people see winning as the end all be all of fun
I just want a SCRAP
A challenge
a real fight
tall torrent
mk10 laspistol isn't fun either
grand perch
unsure whether i should switch maniac for +25% maniac or get rid of infested for unyielding
somber axle
It is to me
tall torrent
unsure whether i should switch maniac for +25% maniac or get rid of infested for...
swap to elite
steady stream
Tht Helbore is so fun holy shit
last parcel
sneaky the type of varlet to roll up to a street fight with a takeout plastic fork for the challenge
somber axle
The only boring weapons to me are Infantry Autoguns and Braced Autoguns tbh
thick kestrel
if you don't mind me asking sneaky, how're things feeling regarding the lawbringer shotty atm? because I've got a good'un sitting from the old days and I'm tempted to dust it off now >_>
arctic rampart
there's the people that think using the strongest weapon is the most fun, and then there's the people that want to use a dull spoon to slowly peel the demonhost to death. the emperor created both who am I to judge
somber axle
Plasma is also boring if I play it for more than a couple matches
tall torrent
if you don't mind me asking sneaky, how're things feeling regarding the lawbring...
depends on ur blessing rolls
grand perch
swap to elite
you mean infested for elite i assume
last parcel
bro with the machete ends up bleeding out with 836 stab wounds
tall torrent
you mean infested for elite i assume
no, maniac to elite
maniac does basically nothing for knife on veteran
no additional breakpoints
last parcel
it increases self harm breakpoints
tall torrent
then whats this?
outdated version of guide
somber axle
sneaky the type of varlet to roll up to a street fight with a takeout plastic fo...
Have you see the Chronicles of Riddick scene where he threatens someone with a tea cup and they laugh at him until he kills them with the tea cup. The other guys go silent. He quietly puts a pin on the exact same spot where the tea cup was and the guys fuck off
somber axle
if you don't mind me asking sneaky, how're things feeling regarding the lawbring...
One of my favs tbh because I love the meme build of Manstopper/Scattershot
Evaporate hordes gun
junior needle
The knives need a clear buff
somber axle
Literally no other gun will delete a horde like Lawbringer Shotgun special paired with Manstopper/Scattershot
It can probably compete with Psyker staves for crowd clear
It wipes crowds with 1 shot
And then takes out the next wave in the 2nd shot
Brutally efficient
Hilariously fun
Poxwalkers turn into dust, Groaners into red mist
grand perch
just upgraded another grey and got that sweet lvl 4 uncanny
somber axle
And it still has the punching power on standard shots to deal with your specials/elites outside of killing Crushers
junior needle
To note
Mercy requires serrated blade
You probably know it but you'd be surprised
tall torrent
just upgraded another grey and got that sweet lvl 4 uncanny
first target a little low but prob fine overall