veteran-class

[somber axle]

It is a difference that is neglibile for gameplay purposes

You can feel the difference but it is meaningless

[junior needle]

It's not

Especially against harder targets

[somber axle]

The target being dead in a second vs less than half a second is functionally the same

[midnight totem]

There's a good reason to overkill a trapper

[somber axle]

The target is dead in lightning fast speeds

[midnight totem]

Because fuck trappers

[agile forge]

It really isn't negligible tbh

[somber axle]

Ok I'll agree with that James LMFAO

[midnight totem]

That's all the reason you need

[tall torrent]

again, you're grossly underestimating the difference here

[agile forge]

If you're spraying a corridor like the last airlock of Magistrati Oubliette

A TTK of .25s really does mean 4 dead asshole heretics per second

[junior needle]

To put it in perspective, with 4k dps you could kill 4 trappers in the time it takes to kill one with 900 (or 1000)

[somber axle]

Yeah and this is why I compare blessings against the hardiest target in the Psykanium I have access to without mods. Dum Dum is just objectively less value vs Crushers, Maulers and Muties. Infernus would be better value against Plogryns, Burgles, Chaos Spawn and Daemonhosts too

[agile forge]

Less important for like Ascension Riser 31

[midnight totem]

Also how much extra health does nurgle's buff give

[agile forge]

Where targets are further apart

[junior needle]

That's why it's a big difference

[agile forge]

But on stuff like oubliette or archivum sycorax

[somber axle]

I know the difference between 4k DPS and 1k DPS. I've played around with weaker weapons and seen what the Columnus Infantry Autogun is capable of. I have felt both and know the difference is pretty meaningless

[agile forge]

You're killing targets in depth more than in width

[somber axle]

4k DPS is absolutely felt on stronger targets

For something weak like Trappers it's not meaningful

4k DPS is absolutely going to show you how much better it is when fighting a beefy target like Bulwarks, Crushers, etc.

The TTK is noticeably different

[agile forge]

Ragers, gunners too

[somber axle]

Instagibbing a target in less than a second vs instagibbing a target in less than that less of a second isn't something that is much of a change

No matter how high the value, you can only kill a target so fast

[tall torrent]

I wouldn't consider anything >0.5s to be negligible in fps games but that's just me

[junior needle]

I concur

While you may not subjectively care

4x the ttk IS a bit difference

Or 1/4

[tall torrent]

ok final report done time for me to work on guide

[somber axle]

I disagree and anything in under a second begins to enter the realm of pushing the limits of what the human eye is capable of processing

The computer is processing it better, but what we see and feel is barely changing

[junior needle]

The human eye can only see in 15 fps after all

Just like the brain can only think in 15 fps

[somber axle]

Psst wanna play a game?

You probably have much better reaction time than me LOL

[tall torrent]

the human eye is capable of processing as small as 0.0333s most of the time

that's 2 frames at 60fps

[somber axle]

https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

this is the value I got

[tall torrent]

1 frame is usually not the most noticeable but 2 frames is

[somber axle]

Numbers cat can you do the test too? I wanna see your reaction speed

I feel like a lot of the players here must have crazy reaction times

it's just another clown costume under there

[tall torrent]

just did

[somber axle]

My brain is reacting at speeds comparable to Australian lag LMFAO

[tall torrent]

I'm not that fast tho

[somber axle]

Faster than me for sure

Could you imagine how fast someone like Mr. Craime or Azrael would be??

[tall torrent]

2nd try was 197ms

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/saw-jigsaw-bike-fall-funny-gif-19616394

[tall torrent]

honestly
~250ms is above the avg person

[pseudo fiber]

haha

[somber axle]

I could probably do better if I wasn't old

[junior needle]

I aint playing until the next update if you were asking for really

[pseudo fiber]

This is not accurate I was trying too hard

[somber axle]

In college I'd probably be sub 200

[somber axle]

NICE

that's pretty crazy reaction time dude LOL

[pseudo fiber]

Still can't dodge crusher overheads

[languid spade]

'it can but ammo economy is absolute garbage because you can't deal with any carapace with it and it has such a low ammo count to begin with

[tall torrent]

also this test is somewhat dependent on the device u run it on

[somber axle]

I made a tanky toughness build that lets me just eat an entire crusher overhead and not care

no it's not gold toughness

[somber axle]

Oh I hadn't considered that

yeah you're right

[junior needle]

Also I am very eepy sleepy so I can't play atm anyway

[tiny summit]

For fighting games, most people kinda start saying a move is on the edge of reactable around 20f out of 60fps

[somber axle]

A cat of their word. You said you'd only return for a new weapon and not the announcement of a new weapon

[tall torrent]

that's ~0.33s

[pseudo fiber]

Love my ambigious 50/50's

Just guess

[somber axle]

that's kinda wild to consider

[last parcel]

raw heby

[somber axle]

ok then yeah like

[tiny summit]

"Reactable" as in there is no other tells and you are reacting only to the startup of a move. Independent of "expecting" a move.

[somber axle]

for someone like me it is imperceptible in a way that is meaningful but for people with crazy reaction speeds and brains that don't have clown make up gunking them up then the difference is probably muuuuuch more noticeable

I was never good at fighting games

[pseudo fiber]

Fighting games are interesting because you can fuzzy block that stuff but there's times when you can't too

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slow-reaction-gif-24865416

tried the test a few more times and

[tall torrent]

DT kind of has similar mechanics to fighting games' frame data

[somber axle]

this may be the fastest I can do it

[tall torrent]

block cancel-able time is not the same for every attack

an example is XV evicerator

u can't cancel L1 mid slash

but u can block cancel L2 mid slash (even as early as before it lands)

[somber axle]

I found a website that converts MS to FPS

I can react in under 5 frames

NEAT

[tall torrent]

well, it depends on ur framerate

[somber axle]

true

[tiny summit]

Like this is contention right now in Strive over what is a "reactable" overhead. 2 frames making the difference

[tall torrent]

60fps, 1 frame is 0.0166s
120fps, 1 frame is 0.0083s

[tall torrent]

2 frames in 60fps is usually noticeable

when I played cod, if the ADS time of a gun jumps from 0.233s to 0.266s, I can feel it

[tiny summit]

I know. It's more is it "reactable" or is it "predictable"

[tall torrent]

going from 0.250 to 0.266 though, much less noticeable

[pseudo fiber]

I mean we got a new contender with slayer

[tiny summit]

Oh yea

[somber axle]

I remember seeing a funny Counter Strike video discussing how the distance you are to a doorway vs the distance your target is to the doorway will have a direct and noticeable effect on who sees who first even though it feels like realistically you should see each other at the same time and those milliseconds of difference actually do play massively into human reaction times

[tiny summit]

Guess low/high chucklefuck into 80% of your life

[tall torrent]

DT is a little different becaue afaik they tried to synchronize like

all enemy state for all 4 players at a given moment

physics, visible wounds, etc

[pseudo fiber]

Give or take

[somber axle]

bro what

[tiny summit]

Slayer Twitter clips are sending me

[pseudo fiber]

That isn't a twitter clip you wanna see a twitter clip

[tall torrent]

time to work on the curio defense section of guide

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/broly-villain-saiyan-fighting-goku-gif-17670503

[tiny summit]

Also too many buttons

[tall torrent]

should I stream it in this server

[somber axle]

that sounds like a neat idea

[tall torrent]

aggressive MS word gameplay

[somber axle]

are you streaming now or planning to stream later?

[tall torrent]

not sure

idk if anyone would watch that lmao

[tiny summit]

https://fxtwitter.com/Rooflemonger/status/1796094347080802795?t=b-0QhsRGdv7wAg99gkxDtg&s=19

[somber axle]

I'm working later but I'd be down to watch now

[tall torrent]

would be a way to collect feedback on some parts

[somber axle]

HUH

[pseudo fiber]

You can one hit Asuka without mana with that super

goofy character

[tiny summit]

Welcome to Strive Slayer. A fear everyone had when thinking what his damage was gonna look like since the start of the game

[somber axle]

if you decide to stream let me know

A clown likes to watch

[tiny summit]

He also says "fuck geometry". His mappa hunch k just cleaves through his cubes

[somber axle]

plus feels like a sneak peek at the guide

[tall torrent]

I'm in strike team 100

[pseudo fiber]

Finally a good asuka match up

[tiny summit]

Asuka players sweating with their APM, Slayer: "nice math, nerd"

[steep nexus]

Average strive combo tbh

[somber axle]

Controversy is probably to be expected numbers cat LOL

I'm sure there will be some disagreements if you put something like that into the guide

But there will also be disagreements if you don't

I would agree

I don't think it is consistent

It's basically just, at absolute best, giving the same value as Deadshot without stamina drain

Yeah

It's a very skill based and context based bonus

Yeah that makes sense

(Sorry talking to Numbers cat)

maybe I should just go to DMs

[tall torrent]

Sure

[midnight totem]

This is fighting game chat now

[tiny summit]

I need to play more Tekken, Strive, and Granblue

[somber axle]

Hello yes it is me

[steep nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/beelzebub-fighting-game-gran-blue-fantasy-vs-super-gif-25794633

[somber axle]

I'm hanging out here to see numbers cat showing the guide

[tiny summit]

I only care for Beatrix and Vira

[somber axle]

I'd say Focus Target is very, very good with Plasma but like

If you're using Plasma/Power Sword then Weapon Specialist is alleviating some mobility woes

Baltimore Challenge Pissing loadout is so slow and low on dodges

@lapis zenith I mean I guess you can have redirect fire buff going in combo with a focus target

but like

Yeah you're just sorta meant to just use it frequently

I love using Focus Target + Target Down for the stamina regain

[bitter turtle]

consider that even if you can't physically react in time to stop shooting, there's still value in killing something faster before it can do something

0.5 seconds might be the difference between killing a bomber before they pull their nade out or letting them pull it out and creating a flame carpet on the ground

at least I do notice playing mk7 recon that being slow to kill flamers is really annoying

[somber axle]

Yeah numbers cat was correct but I just woke up and I'm very stubborn so by default I was in a dumb headspace of "NO" and now that I'm more awake I agree LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

they always get a puff of fire out

[somber axle]

I'm on like 4 hours of sleep

[bitter turtle]

fair enough lul

i just wanted to point that out since that is my experience playing recon

against non maniac targets its honestly fine but

[somber axle]

did you see the new Recon gif

[bitter turtle]

its really annoying every flamer you just have to accept they will get a little dmg out

i didn't

[somber axle]

I can now kill Crushers in as little as 5 ammo and push up to nearly 3k DPS

If I get a perfect 80% Damage, +Carapace 25%, +10% Elite, Infernus IV and Headhunter IV Recon I would be able to for sure break 3k and might push it to 4 ammo spent

but I don't have that yet

[bitter turtle]

did you add in uh

marksman

[somber axle]

it does 2100-2300 DPS outside of Exec Stance

[bitter turtle]

i can never remember the buff bar icons

[somber axle]

yes lemme share the new tree

I have ditched all utility in favour of raw damage

this is maximum silly hours

no nade regen

no exe stance refresh

just damage

I also ditched Confirmed Kill, Close Order Drill and the +1 stam node under them to grab Longshot

[bitter turtle]

i guess the refresh might not be the most valuable thing if you want to cast the ability repeatedly for marksman

[somber axle]

this was purely to see the possible math of where the absolute PEAK of a Recon Mk VId could be

in the ideal scenario

this is clown science math

and I'd probably not use this build in most of my Auric runs

[tall torrent]

Experience it 10x worse with Mk10 Laspistol

4HS to kill with 158rpm firerate

[gilded rock]

Can I see the build and gun?

Been running VIIa and while it's good it definitely doesn't do that

Haven't tried the other marks

[somber axle]

Yes but be warned that this was purely for a late night clown science math session. Against Crushers it can reliably output 2500 to 2700-ish DPS depending on distance and without Executioner's Stance active does 2100 to 2300-ish DPS depending on distance

The build sacrifices a LOT of utility and defense in the talent tree for pure damage

I run this in Aurics but you may suffer if you follow in my clown footsteps

[gilded rock]

Ahh yeah nm LOL

[somber axle]

I have a more "legitimate" build

[gilded rock]

May still wanna try sometime tho

[somber axle]

that keeps nade regen and stuff

this particular build is just for funny numbers

this is my normal build

but tbh I'm considering dropping the ranged non-elite shooter highlight in favour of getting Bring It Down, Marksman or Precision Strikes

if I drop non-elite shooter highlight and demo team I can grab demo stockpile instead too

some options to toy with

keep in mind that even my "normal" build requires more effort than most other builds

this is the Recon Mk VId I used for that test

but ideally you want Ammo at 80% or as close to 80% as possible

Stability, Collateral, and Mobility are just not that valuable compared to Damage and Ammo

Since I run Deadshot + Exec Stance I don't care about Stability

Collateral is just stagger/suppression which is eh for most people. I like suppression and you WILL notice a significant difference in staggering Flak Ragers using a Recon with higher collateral stat but it will not stagger Dreg Ragers

With high collateral I can stagger a Flak Rager TWICE before it dies

and it dies very fast

it's basically stunlocked into fast death

ALSO

The build I used to do the almost 3k DPS and 5 ammo video

you're sacrificing Target Down which is the biggest sin imo

I can go without grenade regen

Target Down is very, very important though

For both general stamina regen to help Deadshot uptime for the stamina per stack regain AND survivability with the toughness per stack regain

plus it benefits your squad too

just too good to ignore

I'll probably drop Superiority Complex to get Focus Target's Target Down node for running this in an actual match

[somber axle]

OH ALSO I SHOULD CLARIFY

this works with the Recon Mk VId because of how the fast fire rate works with Infernus stacking and Onslaught for brittleness stacking

it will not do this with the Mk VIIa and Mk II

VIIa is a good all around Recon gun but even juicing it to absurd degrees will not put it anywhere near this level of Crusher killing

but the Mk VIIa does have better modifiers for killing other enemy types

so it doesn't really need to

you can just bring kraks or a strong anti-carapace melee instead of building a Mk VIIa to kill Crushers

[steep nexus]

Pretty good, yeah

But wtf is that ammo roll, lol

I mean on the gun

69 is such a low roll

[drowsy aspen]

Vets! I'm working on a sniper build - hoping to hit heads without only having like 3 shots in the chamber.

Using Kantrael Lasgun 12, is there a better option?

[steep nexus]

I could have sworn there was a better option being discussed earlier

[agile forge]

1a is generally better than 12

Consider also vraks 7

Plasma

[drowsy aspen]

...1a is better than 12? How so?

[agile forge]

Zarona (but only 5 shots)

[drowsy aspen]

I read a guide that alleged the opposite- oh yeah revolver is goated, but I've played a lot of revolver on Psyker and Zealot

[agile forge]

Hits almost all the same breakpoints, but shoots faster and uses less ammo

[drowsy aspen]

Huh, alright. Interesting.

[agile forge]

MG12 was king... before one of the patches

[drowsy aspen]

My guide may have been outdated, so thank you for the correction- yeaaaa there ya go

That makes sense

[agile forge]

It's now considered to be the worst infantry lasgun

[drowsy aspen]

WOW

Lmaoooooo

[agile forge]

It isn't bad or anything

[drowsy aspen]

...I did alright with it, but I was only on Auric Heresy

[agile forge]

But the other two (and vraks 7) are better

Helbores are also a good option

1 and 2 at least

[drowsy aspen]

Vraks 7 is an autogun, yes? What are some of the highlights?

[agile forge]

It's a semi-automatic high Finesse autogun

You gotta hit heads and have a specific build for it

"Autogun" is a tiny bit misleading for it lol

[steep nexus]

Long las please.. I need it so bad..

[agile forge]

Zarona is great with Weapon Specialist

[drowsy aspen]

Zarona is no doubt nutty

[agile forge]

I don't like it for general veteran things though

[drowsy aspen]

Yea that's my thought

[agile forge]

Low ammo count, you never want to shoot anything that doesn't appear on the killfeed with it

Unless you absolutely have to

[somber axle]

How did you create this?

[drowsy aspen]

I love sword or shovel for consistent use

[somber axle]

Ok no LMFAO

I have done very, very extensive testing with the Recon Mk VId

there's more to it than that

[steep nexus]

What blessings are on the gun?

[somber axle]

I picked up literally every single damage buff in the talent tree with a perfect 80% damage Recon, perfect back to back crit strings

What does your gun and talent tree look like

Yes

Where's your talent tree and a screenshot of the Recon

I wanna see your receipts because the 3k is neat to see

I wasn't expecting to see Recon Mk VId break 3k until I got a perfect god roll with +10% elite

Oh Close Quarters Kill Zone is multiplicative and not additive?

That's a neat interaction

wait Skirmisher? LMFAO

do you mean stacking Dum Dum to max before firing

because all of my testing showed Dum Dum behind Infernus by 150-300 DPS

depending on crit strings and distance

I've never tested with Deathspitter

That could be a neat blessing to toy with

[tall torrent]

If the guide isn’t made recently it’s probably outdated

[somber axle]

wdym you can literally go back months and see my first gifs, talent trees and recordings showing various ammo costs, damage, etc. and Soldier 69 telling me to add a disclaimer

LOL

I've spent a weird amount of time toying with the weapon

[tall torrent]

Close DMG and +DMG are separate in calculation

[somber axle]

I need to read the 2.0 guide when it releases because I'm coming close to 1000 hours played and these interactions are still new to me

LOL

ok maybe not THAT close

but I broke 900 hours

[tall torrent]

Not the biggest difference in normal gameplay tbh

It’s only rly noticeable when you’re pushing extreme breakpoints

[drowsy aspen]

My interest has been piqued - what are the exact steps to getting a recon lasgun this devestating?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-must-break-you-fifidonia-break-rude-stalone-gif-14615906

[somber axle]

I broke a long, long time ago. Now I wear the clown costume LMFAO

[last parcel]

i meant the hour count

[somber axle]

Oh LOL

yeah one day it will break 1000

but work is eating so much of my time

[gilded rock]

This is exactly what I do. It surprisingly even kills maulers okay to decently surprisingly enough. I bring chord to help with boss and crusher damage too

[somber axle]

I can't recreate this in testing even with Deathspitter and Dum Dum so I'm very curious what both the gun and talent tree looked like

Yeah but like how

I can swap Deathspitter to Sustained Fire I guess

Did you skip Onslaught then?

[drowsy aspen]

So your build is largely damage stacking perks and a recon w/ Onslaught and Infernus?

[hearty panther]

but how else will i light the heretics on fire

nnnnnoooo!

[somber axle]

trying to recreate this but like

I'm not seeing the numbers you recorded

[hearty panther]

ya vet stole the zealot look for one of the premium sets

[somber axle]

so it must be a difference in the gun you used and talent tree setup

[shadow urchin]

I'm looking to branch out into the Infantry Lasguns, which one is best for beginners?

[midnight totem]

Yeah! How dare work get in the way of killing heretics

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/warden-emote-for-honour-victory-gif-13818061

MISERUM

[somber axle]

AH OK I SEE

I hit 3.4k

Sustained Fire is good on the Recons Mk VId??

this is very weird news but now that I think about it, it makes sense for how fast the fire rate is

I would say that's a gross exaggeration but there IS some truth to it

these damage numbers do not lie

you just have to be pretty far away with Longshot

otherwise the numbers fall pretty harshly

if I'm hiding on the opposite end of the Psykanium when I fire it can push 3000-3400 DPS

if I'm close it's lucky to hit 2700 DPS

which is very bizarre given the interaction with Close Damage

just a very unfortunately named damage type in the game I guess

they definitely need to rename it LOL

wait

Azrael

you tried to pull a funny joke on me

that's WITH Celerity stim

LMFAO

breakpoints around a stim??

ah ok not celerity

the CD reduction one

I forgor the name

this is still bizarre because the damage numbers are not consistent

even at higher ranges it sometimes drops off pretty steep

a range of 2700 DPS to 3400 DPS depending on distance is kinda silly

everyone remembers med and combat

but the other two often get forgotten

[tall torrent]

Sustained fire is mid but Infernus is cringe

[somber axle]

I only remember celerity because I actually sometimes want it

[last parcel]

celery my beloved

[steep nexus]

I never use stims tbh..

[somber axle]

I have a lot more testing to do on the Recon Mk VId it seems

I've been operating under the assumption Infernus and Headhunter are the best combo

[tall torrent]

Watermelon
Lemon
Strawberry
Blueberry

[somber axle]

Also dropping Duck and Dive is going to hurt

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-drugs-gif-23720718

[somber axle]

less stamina regen

[steep nexus]

I don’t want to be addicted!

[somber axle]

Close Quarters Kill Zone is a hilariously strong talent node though and it's not even as short as FtE

10 sec duration is respectable imo

[hearty panther]

pretty much yea

[somber axle]

wait a sec

if I go 8 stack

I can probably outdo this with Infernus

one sec

[tall torrent]

Some people value reciprocity too much when CQKZ is more consistently available and also works in a more consistent manner

[somber axle]

I do not have a mod to spawn bosses in Psykanium

[candid agate]

silly billy

[somber axle]

I play vanilla LMFAO

You're correct, I am a clown and you have proven I have a lot more to learn and test

The Recon labs are open again

[candid agate]

fair enough

[steep nexus]

Recon gets better let’s go

[somber axle]

If I didn't have to worry about work in a few hours and then work AGAIN at 6:30 am tomorrowI could experiment more

but my time is so limited so I can only do what I can now before work

[lost cosmos]

can darktide mods get you banned? I’m on pc Xbox game pass

[somber axle]

afaik no

most people use them

[lost cosmos]

Oh

[somber axle]

this isn't FF14

[wise fossil]

Close damage is still bugged, right? The distance is about half of what it should be?

[somber axle]

Fatshark doesn't care as long as you're not ripping paid cosmetics for use server side for free

[hearty panther]

lmao there's this competition in town each weekend and i swear when they come in for their 30+ drink order they always find the most ignorant motherfucker to do it. like i think they actively search for someone who has never been to a Starbucks or even heard of coffee before to take the order with us and it's an incredible slog each time as we ask basic question and the poor guy is clueless.

[somber axle]

For the Drip exists

but it's client side only

so it is allowed to exist

if you don't touch their money you can be as funny as you want

[hearty panther]

i dont blame the guy anymore

and yes recons downfall has always been hysterically overstated

[bitter turtle]

not even ffxiv cares

as long as you dont put up a billboard in flordia

[steep nexus]

I once got instantly kicked from an auric for using a recon lasgun..

[hearty panther]

which is unsurprising when the popular opinion is that zarona is 'totally balanced' and other guns should just be brought up to its level lol

[steep nexus]

It was kinda funny

[somber axle]

isn't the rule that you'll be banned if you're caught modding and reported?

if no one sees and no one tells Yoshi P then you're fine

but if someone notices you talking about using mods and reports you, you get slapped

[bitter turtle]

in practice there has been like 1 person that got banned and it was bc they got mass reported and character assassinated on jp

over the course of multiple months

[hearty panther]

vet is indeed broken

[bitter turtle]

anything less than that, not really no

[candid agate]

any specific reason why?

[hearty panther]

which one

[bitter turtle]

never underestimate jp netizens that think they are doing something for the sake of justice and public morality, regardless of whether or not the sentiment is actually true

[hearty panther]

idk i think there's more than that needed lol

gold toughness as a whole is just

[candid agate]

do not take away my instant volley fire regen

[hearty panther]

hilariously stacked

[somber axle]

Voice of Command needs more than just a nerf bat. It needs a nerf sledgehammer

[candid agate]

some people man

[lost cosmos]

Why does legit every mod on nexus have over 100k downvotes

[candid agate]

i would prefer a nerf bat and a buff to other abilities

[somber axle]

I have no idea

Probably some dumb Darktide players "protesting" the game in the same way Helldivers 2 players protested that game: meaningless reviews LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/eq1k64/japanese_player_permabanned_after_months_of/

[somber axle]

There are definitely a lot of people upset about the state of Darktide and I'd 100% believe that many of them tried to give the finger to Darktide anywhere and everywhere they could before quitting

[steep nexus]

Hey, Helldivers 2 players were successful!

Mostly..

[bitter turtle]

If you or sneaky are curious

Lol

[somber axle]

I heard about this when it happened

And also the billboard

[bitter turtle]

Ya the billboard ppl didn't even get banned iirc

[vernal sundial]

kinda not really since the game is still delisted in all those countries anyway
unfortunately some bad reviews aren’t gonna get in the way of a behemoth company’s corporate greed

[somber axle]

You play an optimized meta build around Revolver. Recons are not going to touch that even in a best case scenario LMFAO

[hearty panther]

except for me, im always right

[somber axle]

I don't need to play with you to know you'd leave a Recon in the dust

I'm also not really here to compete on DPS numbers, more just to show how funny the Recon can be

[steep nexus]

That’s true, the community got a little unfocused after that first concession, so I doubt they’re organized enough to do anything about the delisting

[hearty panther]

and truly i am exceptional

[somber axle]

because I love the laser vomit gun

[hearty panther]

hacking smokers cough

just the best

[somber axle]

I'm also fully aware my build is insane

Soldier 69 chimes in every now and again to warn people and poke me about disclaimers LMFAO

[hearty panther]

it is yea

your build is just 110% in service of the gun and i dont find that necessary for any weapon lol

meta or not

[vernal sundial]

and sony requires psn to play tsushima’s coop on pc, and it’s gonna be required to play ragnarok on pc when that comes out later this year
the people giving those games bad reviews aren’t doing anything to sony

[hearty panther]

it is fun tho

i ran it for a bit

[somber axle]

yeah it's completely unnecessary and absurd LMFAO

but it works for me so I love it

[vernal sundial]

also yeah if you have decent aim the zarona revolver feels like it outclasses literally everything

[somber axle]

it's weird testing this because like

Dum Dum + Deathspitter
Dum Dum + Punishing Salvo
Dum Dum + Sustained Fire

etc.

are all INCREDIBLY INCONSISTENT

[wise fossil]

Whenever there's any kind of mass consumer action like the Helldivers thing, inevitably there are people who come out of the woodwork to poo poo on it. Negative reviews are fine for a group of leaderless consumers who have a problem with a decision. If a large number of negative reviews isn't important, why does Steam go out of it's way to mass remove 'review bombing' on multiple games?

[somber axle]

I've been running in and out of the Psykanium with Recons testing the damage and it's goofy that the gun can go anywhere from 2700 to 3400 depending on how lucky you are

Deadshot alone isn't good for consistently critting

[steep nexus]

I have to pray that people speak with their wallets, but they never do

They’re too addicted to buying new video games, regardless of what they are, and how their monetization is implemented

[vernal sundial]

im all for shitting on greedy companies, but in the end it didn’t effect sony or their future decisions on psn requirements
review bombing means a lot more to a smaller studio or literally anything that isn’t a behemoth like sony, whose profits are so massive it really does not matter to them

if anything, i feel bad for the dev studios under them

[vernal sundial]

gamers will never do that lmao
predatory shit like fomo and all that bs only exist because it works, and it makes bank

[steep nexus]

NO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, THE $500 LEAGUE OF LEGENDS SKIN IS NEVER COMING BACK, I NEED IT

Predatory? What do you mean? Of course they want money

[wise fossil]

does not matter to them
In what way? Does not matter in that they'll definitely try again with a different game because they think they can make more money long term? Sure, I'd agree with that.

Or does not matter in that it doesn't hurt their bottom line? That I do disagree with. Sure, Sony's total yearly expenditures are much larger than a small devteam, but these companies work on percentages and profit ratios. If HD2 makes 10% less profit than it could have, that's a loss that they can see. And they absolutely have numbers people analyzing steam sales data vs reviews. Why would so many companies pay, for example, people on YouTube for good game reviews if it didn't matter?

Sure, no one is toppling this mega Corp with their steam reviews, but that was never the point

[somber axle]

Unironically I think the only reason Sony caved was because of the European Union preparing to tackle them legally for fraud considering they were selling a game they planned to remove from being playable in countries and that would've hit them in a real, tangible way. Reviews are a big nothing burger for companies and corporate suits who only care about the bottom line and reviewers are not touching that in any real way

[steep nexus]

Well, to be honest, most of the people who were going to buy Helldivers 2 already did

So Alyx is kind of right in a way

[somber axle]

At best the reviews alerted EU authorities to the issue

and then after investigating they pushed on Sony

but that's probably not even how they found out

[lime gyro]

Meta chasers vs chad recon enjoyers (fatshark plz buff)

[vernal sundial]

unfortunately the game is still delisted in the countries where psn isn’t available

[somber axle]

after Sony fixes the legal side of this I'm betting they pull the leash and force Arrowhead back into PSN account linking being required

[wise fossil]

Matters much less for a live service game that wants ongoing player engagement to sell microtransactions

[steep nexus]

You’d have to convince people to stop opening their wallets for Sony

[tiny summit]

It was pretty much the issue of the game not having giant neon signs of "PSN required", being sold in areas PSN wasn't supported, and not enforcing it for like 2 months. Selling a product and taking it away is legal issues.

[steep nexus]

But that, by and large, isn’t successful

[somber axle]

Arrowhead was not at all expecting this turnout. Helldivers had a population of like... 9000? Helldivers 2 hit 400k to 500k players

Now take that and multiply it by the pricetag of the game

[wise fossil]

Which is something that negative reviews do, yes. In every case? No, obviously not. But again, it's a percentage game

[somber axle]

Now take that and multiply it further by supercredit purchases

[lime gyro]

I mean compared to most games w mtx hd2's mtx is pretty fairly priced + the fact we can earn the premium currency in game without spending anything is also pretty neat

[somber axle]

Arrowhead and Sony already made bank off you

They have your money

Your reviews don't matter

[tiny summit]

You can see the negative reviews did nothing because sony is now putting it upfront for all their future PC releases with big signs of "PSN required" like GoW Ragnarok of all games lmao

[somber axle]

If your plan was to vote with your wallet, it would've worked if you had voted before handing them the wallet

[steep nexus]

Perhaps I’m just pessimistic, but I think most people readily return to opening their wallets, regardless of a boycott or not

[somber axle]

exactly

Plus all the Helldivers 2 players immediately moved on cheering for a "success"

reversed reviews

and now continue to dump money into Sony

Sony wins while letting the HD2 community feel like they won

[vernal sundial]

yep, they gave the illusion to trick players

[steep nexus]

Like, for example, I feel like literally nobody is going to follow through on boycotting League for their $500 skin

[vernal sundial]

when in reality nothing really changed

[steep nexus]

They didn’t for the $200 skin

Or the gacha skin

[wise fossil]

Yeah sure, I am not at all optimistic about gamer's ability to not immediately forget and forgive very egregious bad business practices

[somber axle]

There are memes of people banning Ahri to mess with people who bought it but that's it as far as I've seen LMFAO

gamer attention span is very short

[wise fossil]

I mean look at how many people have the Krieg skin in DT lol

[tall torrent]

But it would be absolutely hilarious if Ahri sees like a Kassadin-launch level ban rate lmao

[somber axle]

they'll move on in a month

[steep nexus]

I would pray that we can reach 100% Ahri ban rate!

[terse idol]

I feel like they wouldn't be able to try again, the biggest issue was Sony like in real time changing their eula

Like, yes it's good to say

[steep nexus]

Yeah, for sure

[terse idol]

That "Sony needed you to make an account from the stary"

[steep nexus]

Just give a small concession if at all

[terse idol]

But it was optional

[somber axle]

That would be pretty funny but I will only ever watch from the sidelines because I was a Sona main and I can't go back

[tall torrent]

Also it’s just funny that they’re charging 500 dollars for a skin that honors Faker

And faker doesn’t even use skins when he play

[terse idol]

And that was explicit in the eula

Before they pulled the rug

And changed it to require it

[vernal sundial]

im very much against rotating shops, fomo, limited time content all that
but i still caved and bought the krieg skins, because that shit works
that’s why it’s there lmao

[hallow parrot]

I mean I had to link my PSN account when I bought HD2 at launch, it was a massive pain in the ass but I don't understand why people suddenly started complaining like 2 months later

[terse idol]

Again

It I'd the issue that many many countries

About 100~

Who couldn't make psn accounts

[hallow parrot]

I think it's 'cause I live in a country that's so small most corpos don't even realize it

[terse idol]

Would lose access

[steep nexus]

Me too, I will never cave for FOMO skins or battlepasses, I despise them from the bottom of my heart

[terse idol]

Also sonys track record of information breaches through the years

[vernal sundial]

i try my best to avoid games with battle passes, limited content, heavy monetization etc

[terse idol]

I mean

[steep nexus]

I will speak with my wallet, even if nobody else will

[somber axle]

mostly for the countries who don't have PSN who have people who bought the game and would just be told to not let the door hit them too hard on the way out when PSN account linking becomes mandatory and to deal with it for the lost money and time wasted on a game they'll never get to play again

[terse idol]

Many small countries were hit that were unable to make psn accounts

[tiny summit]

It's actually funny Valve has never gotten shit for some of the last few years of Dota 2 compendium's. Yes it adds to the International prize pool, but man were some of those highlight rewards high up in those battle passes

[hallow parrot]

I just have a spanish psn account lol

[steep nexus]

Now they just can’t buy the game at all, lol

[wise fossil]

Yeah this is the scenario that happens almost every time. People understand in their mind that it's bad, why it's bad, etc. The willpower just isn't there

[terse idol]

Yeah but they can get refunds

[tall torrent]

Because Sony’s cybersecurity is a joke that writes itself, and Sony hasn’t been good in basically forever

[terse idol]

I mean what

Either they had the game

And then

Got banned

Because they couldn't make an account

[hallow parrot]

didn't they revert the decision though? I have a friend who plays HD2 and says they turned it back

[terse idol]

Or they get banned now and get a refund

[terse idol]

No

[hallow parrot]

I just refunded the game after the tutorial 'cause I wasn't feeling it lmao

[terse idol]

I mean

Kinda

[steep nexus]

Game is still de-listed, but PSN is optional

[vernal sundial]

i avoid games with them cause im mildly impulsive with my money lmao
i used to play games that constantly vied for all my time/money, and im just kinda done

[terse idol]

Yeah

[tiny summit]

About the only win is that if you bought the game in those countries, didnt refund, you still have access to the game. Sucks shit for any friends though that wanted to buy after the delisting from those regions

[terse idol]

So if you have the game before

You can still play

But places listed under the unable to make new psn accounts cannot buy it

So ultimately Sony can't try it again later

[steep nexus]

Yup, they’re designed to wear down your self-control, I can’t blame anyone for buying into it, because it’s literally designed to be predatory

[terse idol]

In theory

[terse idol]

Yeep

[somber axle]

A win is still a win

[tiny summit]

Sony just going "no I don't want money"

[terse idol]

Not really

[somber axle]

You have to celebrate the victories no matter how small

Just have to be aware of the losses too

[terse idol]

Sony still pulled it over on the hd2 community

[hallow parrot]

I might have accidentally futureproofed the ability to play HD2 if I decide to pick it up on the future then lol, that's nice I guess.

[vernal sundial]

exactly, blame the system, not the victim
i feel truly awful for any and all gacha players who spend money on those games lmao

[terse idol]

And frankly they still did

[tiny summit]

Then there's me with 6 gachas

[steep nexus]

Yup, they all defend it so hard, and all I can feel is bad for them

[wise fossil]

The fact that people get it but still open their wallets is why I think the overall culture and conversation about this stuff is so important.
If your social media is full of other people who are also not buying the slop they try to sell, you'd be much less likely to buy it yourself.
But every time people go around saying, "reviews doesn't matter. They made their money, why even bother. They're a huge corporation"
People have no idea how much influence they could have with a small bit of effort & community solidarity

[somber axle]

sunk cost fallacy can make anyone overzealous LMFAO

[steep nexus]

One game series I really like has a gacha game called Limbus Company, and it sucks because I love their non-gacha games, but I will NEVER play it, no matter how good the story purportedly is

[vernal sundial]

my ex got me into genshin but luckily i quit before i spent any money on it
that shit is genuinely the worst ive ever seen in my life, as an ex destiny player, it was so much worse lmao

[somber axle]

Reviews don't matter when you've already given them record sales numbers and profits for a small studio that wasn't even expecting a tenth of the popularity or money

If you vote with your wallet before you give them money, you win

[tiny summit]

Genshin Impact testing me with it. I'm in the sunk cost fallacy but it's been so disappointing

[somber axle]

If you don't then you need to rely on the company fucking up legally and getting smacked by courts

[terse idol]

I wish that was the case

[wise fossil]

To be clear, I never bought HD2 because of the NPGG thing

[somber axle]

Solidatirty works

[bitter turtle]

Same tbh

[terse idol]

People are blinded in a way because they believed that review bombing hd2 was the reason they backed off

[steep nexus]

Yyyyyup, genshin is absolutely terrible

[somber axle]

But not when you hand the company the win before holding hands

[tiny summit]

I appreciate the artists that keep making the art. Art design and OST pretty good.

[wise fossil]

Just observing trends that happen over and over with gaming

[vernal sundial]

im genuinely surprised gacha games are even legal in some parts of the west with anti-gambling laws

[bitter turtle]

Genshin is just boring though

[terse idol]

And then Sony reaps the reward

When people change their negative review back tk positive

[tiny summit]

Darktide crafting is a gacha

[steep nexus]

It looks and sounds great, but unfortunately, I simply can’t support it

[vernal sundial]

especially since these games are primarily targeted towards impressionable kids/teens

[terse idol]

Even though the X amount of countries are still banned

[hallow parrot]

I don't think this is as evil a mastermind plan as y'all make it look though

[steep nexus]

It’s “technically not gambling” because you win PNGs instead of money

Which is stupid

[somber axle]

it's not entirely bad because it DID give gamers the confidence to begin pushing back and stop accepting bad behaviors

you don't just have to take it

leave

I don't like SWTOR

I left

I don't like LoL

I left

[wise fossil]

This honestly makes me think it was like the coca cola classic op

[somber axle]

it's pretty easy

[tiny summit]

I don't mind gachas because if it's free and keeps getting support, I view me throwing money every now and then as appreciation.

[vernal sundial]

id rather gamble in a casino than in a gacha, cause at least id run the chance of getting something monetary back lmao

[bitter turtle]

Idk I think the ost for genshin is not really something id listen to outside of the game itself

[terse idol]

Frankly yes that's a great way put it

[steep nexus]

Instead of just generic cute anime girl number 54, lol

[tiny summit]

Talking about Limbus Company

[bitter turtle]

O

[somber axle]

Statistically you will not

[tiny summit]

I think the only music I have liked of Genshin recently is Furina's stuff but is that me liking the music on its own or because of association with a cute character I like

[vernal sundial]

nope, i agree with you
i wouldnt do either but id still prefer the actual casino

[somber axle]

My mom has lived in Vegas almost all her adult life and thrown away both her and my dad's paychecks routinely throughout my life. She has had a single big win once and otherwise has just given free money to the casinos every time

You will not win

The House Always Wins

[hallow parrot]

ain't that a kick in the head

[somber axle]

She won $10,000 once

[terse idol]

Although

[somber axle]

She's probably given 10 times that amount over the years

You never win, you only lose

[terse idol]

The difference is coca cola rebuilt their reputation in a scummy way

Sony just made their reputation worse 😌

[vernal sundial]

my ex dumped fuck tons of money into gacha games and was always very depressed when she didn’t get what she wanted, cause her friends would get it and the game would shove that in her face
that ain’t a rabbit hole im willing to fall down into

[terse idol]

And this isn't speaking about the X amount of countries that can't buy ghost of tsushima

[somber axle]

Gacha games are dangerous

[terse idol]

Because they DID

Update their eula

[somber axle]

literally just the new generation of gambling

[vernal sundial]

my friend spent a few hundred on cs crates and made it out lucky with a few thousand and swore it off

[terse idol]

To reflect that banned countries can't buy a fucking single player game

[somber axle]

and it's why both the EU and China have been cracking down so hard on it

US is gonna keep milking people though

gaming affects kids too

[vernal sundial]

yeah, it’s awful
like i said idek how it’s legal with how much they’re targeted towards people under 18

[terse idol]

Well to be giar

Yes

Game companies lobby to keep it

[somber axle]

this is a weird loophole currently where you have legal gambling for children if they get access to their parents' money

[terse idol]

And they're based in rhe US

So it's pretty easy

[somber axle]

the ethics are awful

[lime gyro]

EA BF2 lootboxes

[somber axle]

as soon as the old people in politics figure out how dumb this is they'll probably start attacking it

[terse idol]

Not to say like tencent is gonna give up gacha anytime soon

[somber axle]

but they're too busy getting scared over TikTok

[terse idol]

And tecent is based in china

Soooo yeah it's good that China is trying to curb gacha

But damn

Mtx still exists

[vernal sundial]

iirc china was about to, until tencent or whoever owned genshin and all that basically said “no” because the income losses would be in the billions

[somber axle]

it's only legal because the only people in power are career politicians so old they're going to die in office who come from an era before the internet and struggle to comprehend and keep up with the changing times

[terse idol]

And implemented in pleennty of new games coming from tencent

[tiny summit]

Hell yea. Next patch Honkai Star Rail gets a new waif

[somber axle]

and that's if they even CARE to try to keep up

[terse idol]

They are trying to curb it surfice it to say

Not that it's gonna be easy

[somber axle]

did the CCP literally back down on that LMFAO

[terse idol]

Mobile gaming is the largest gaming base in the world

[somber axle]

the last I'd heard Tencent was panicking and their stock prices were crashing hard

[vernal sundial]

yeah i remember reading up on it being all excited
until the lawmakers backed down from the pressure

[somber axle]

but I didn't follow it too closely

I just assumed the CCP were ready to kill it

[terse idol]

Diablo immortal confirmed the system works

[vernal sundial]

and i was just like “bruh”

[somber axle]

someone with money and power told them to eat shit

[terse idol]

Welll

[somber axle]

more money and power than the CCP

[terse idol]

It's not easy

[hallow parrot]

uhh whoever got the antax, which mk?

[terse idol]

Because yes money

[somber axle]

looks like my Miqo'te in FF14 tbh

kinda

[vernal sundial]

i wish the us was more caring about consumers like the eu

[terse idol]

I mean the eu has its own issues

Net neutrality is like fucked

[vernal sundial]

well yes

[somber axle]

it could be going into the future tbh

[vernal sundial]

but america is all profit fuck the consumer kinda deal

[terse idol]

The UK is practically a surveillance police state like God damn

[tiny summit]

I still love that the FF14 online store has picture to showcase the character change potion as a white male turning into a cat girl

[terse idol]

It is investorcentric

Hence why steam like

Not being traded

Gives consumers like some amount of power

And why other game fronts just aren't effective

[somber axle]

Newer generations are only becoming more and more left leaning, Millenials were expecting to trend right as they got older and instead are trending slightly further left. The older generations on the right side of things are dying off. As younger generations get into political offices they carry their ideals with them. The US could very well see a government that cracks down on gacha games and the weird illegal gambling of it in a generation or two

[vernal sundial]

speaking of ff14
ive been thinking of trying it out
seeing as there’s a massive free trial and all

[somber axle]

But I'm not holding my breath for total removal

[terse idol]

I believe very strongly that once the boomer politicians in power die that life miiight be better

[somber axle]

I think at best they'll make it illegal for kids

[terse idol]

But the politics we're vibing

We just need strong lawmakers

[somber axle]

It will be but we're in chaotic times where the people in power know their power is fragile and they're getting crazier because of it

Give it time

[vernal sundial]

american politics are so fucked lmao
living in a fever dream

[somber axle]

We'll be a better place

[terse idol]

Something something

Strong people make good times
weak people make bad times
Old politicians in power now
bad times etc.

[vernal sundial]

i wanna move to australia with the spiders

[bitter turtle]

I wouldn't hold your breath

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-world-worth-fighting-sean-astin-lords-of-the-rings-gif-14720041

[bitter turtle]

Some of the most psychotic ultra conservative types I've met are young ppl

[terse idol]

It's scary to think that a felon could be the new president

I'm on Def con 2 rn

[vernal sundial]

impressionable teens moment

[terse idol]

I'm panicking

[somber axle]

I will continue to hold my breath. Texas was purple. Georgia went blue. These are things we'd previously believe to be impossible. If Republicans ever lose Texas they'll never get a chance at a presidency ever again. California and Texas alone would hand every single presidency going into the future to Democrats handily

A new political party would need to be born from the dying ashes of the Republicans

and it'd need to be more left leaning to attract younger voters who are getting increasingly involved

[vernal sundial]

most of the homophobic/extremist people ive interacted with are younger

[bitter turtle]

Well I hope you're right is all I can say

😔

[somber axle]

The numbers do not lie

[vernal sundial]

all the right wing grifters and awful echo chamber social media algorithms do not help

[somber axle]

Generational prejudices are a big problem. Sun down towns stay the way they are because the people living there make sure the kids grow up to be exactly like them

But new generations have connections in ways old people can't fathom and struggle to control

[vernal sundial]

also i forgot i was still in the darktide server for a moment

[somber axle]

The internet lets people reach each other in ways lawmakers are scratching their heads over

Hard to be racist when you grow up learning your parents, their parents, and their parents were full of shit because you can talk to those races and see they were wrong

Easier to maintain that when you can isolate

Bubbles are being popped

And old people can't stop it

[terse idol]

Frankly Texas's city/Urban areas being blue are a great example of the shift

[somber axle]

Go back 10 years and any Texan would laugh at the idea of their state being seen as purple

[vernal sundial]

problem is social media makes a lot of people more extremist
because of algorithms that just continuously feed you whatever you will like and agree with, to fuel the echo chamber

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[terse idol]

You know the fear being, that is likely why plenty of politicians are trying to control the flow of information

[tiny summit]

It's funny seeing this chat and then I look in general every now and then you'll see the dude's who are "everything is turning woke and bad"

[vernal sundial]

the information is there but most people refuse to seek it

[terse idol]

And it's being shut down thankfully

[somber axle]

It can yeah but for younger generations that is less Facebook Mom using minion memes to be racist and more K-Pop fans sending death threats because some celeb said K-Pop was dumb

[terse idol]

The ammendment is good for a few things

[somber axle]

Yes and we're mostly safe because politicians are so old and do not care to keep up with the advance of technology. If they were smart and knew what they were doing we'd be in more trouble but as it is they don't know what's going on and only really know what they want without knowing how to get it

[vernal sundial]

woke = word with zero remaining meaning, now just a buzzword right wingers use to slap on anything they don’t like
ie, equal rights

[tiny summit]

Idk sounds something like big woke would say smdh

[somber axle]

Fallout 4 gave me one of the best fucking quotes I've ever heard from Deacon

"There're other organizations out there. And, in time, I'm sure they're going to spoon-feed you their own patented form of bullshit. Ignore the verbage and look at what they're doing. What they're asking you to do. What sort of world they'd have you build and how they're going to pay for it."

[bitter turtle]

Idk the internet is way more controlled than it was even a decade ago

It's actually kinda sad to see it change like this

[vernal sundial]

i hate fo4 but this is a pretty great quote

[steep nexus]

The woke mind virus is making people respect each other

[somber axle]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/c0/e1/9dc0e12b61c753139b73c95827dbb223.gif

I love this man and would have romanced him if it were at all possible

my fav FO4 companion by far

[vernal sundial]

i love nick

[somber axle]

Nick is pretty good too

[vernal sundial]

the one redeeming quality of that game for me lmao

[somber axle]

He's got some very spicy comebacks

[somber axle]

You're correct but the leash isn't as tight as the politicians think it is

Algorithms are making it pretty awful in a lot of ways though

Youtube has changed a lot

Google has changed a lot

[vernal sundial]

nonsense! christian love is supposed to be about hating people different from you!!!

[steep nexus]

Oh, um, yeah, that’s what Jesus said, right? “Hate your neighbour” and all that?

[somber axle]

someone told me recently that Paramore and Flyleaf were Christian Bands and I was shocked until I actually checked the lyrics LMFAO

they are

love their music

[terse idol]

See all I'm saying
Is there is a distinction between Christian Jesus and Christian™️ Jesus

[steep nexus]

Apparently Lord of the Rings is Christian

[somber axle]

but that theme went right over my head

[vernal sundial]

that’s right! don’t let anyone tell you otherwise

[steep nexus]

Gandalf is supposed to be Jesus

[terse idol]

I'd believe it, he came back on the 2nd day

And turned the other cheek

😌

[gilded rock]

God be like "invade this village and take the women as trophies" and then Christians say he is perfect and never does wrong

Is that too hot of a take for Darktide server, unsure

[vernal sundial]

religion and faith is great until it’s institutionalized and inevitably weaponized

[terse idol]

Yesss

Well partially

I'm a rainbow perspn

It's complicated

[steep nexus]

Rainbow person, lol

[vernal sundial]

personal faith is good, doesn’t have to be in a specific god or doctrine, just in something

[steep nexus]

I’ve never been religious, but I think faith can be important for some people

[somber axle]

Religion doesn't make a person a good person, but it can help bad people find their way back to being a good person. It can also turn bad people into worse people. It's can help and harm

[terse idol]

Mhmm

[somber axle]

And it can also help good people unite, coordinate and help people better

[orchid hemlock]

Happy pride month Varlets

[somber axle]

There are good people of all kinds

And there are bad people of all kinds

[vernal sundial]

exactly this

[gilded rock]

I think the best kind of good people do good things for the sake of doing good, not so they don't burn forever. But whatever means gets you to actually being good is fine by me and I tolerate all types of good people

[vernal sundial]

holy shit i didnt know becoming a badass cyborg was part of the trans package, where do i redeem this??

[terse idol]

[gilded rock]

MECHANICUS MENTIONED ⁉️

[vernal sundial]

stealing these

[midnight totem]

Secrets of the Mechanicus confirmed...

... wait

[somber axle]

every day I pray for Fatshark to make a Tech Priest Class

[gilded rock]

Charlie read 1 (one) Belisarius Cawl book and tweaked out

[gilded rock]

Heavy on this

[somber axle]

Skitarii?? PLEASE???

Reject lobotomized and turned into a data collection tool for Hadron when

[vernal sundial]

[bitter turtle]

Job is my favorite story from the bible, where God has some poor sap kill his whole family so God can win a bet with Satan and was like "thanks for having faith in me man, here's a new replacement wife and kids"

[somber axle]

not even restoring the original wife and kids??

like just

[midnight totem]

Where do you think our data interrogaters come from

[somber axle]

"here's some woman you don't know and a kid that's not yours, they're yours now"

WHAT

[bitter turtle]

That's the best part, the punchline

[somber axle]

make me into one please

[midnight totem]

Even the achievement portrait has the epitaph. "You will be a data interrogator too, in the end"

[somber axle]

Skitarii confirmed

[gilded rock]

The innocent wife watching from heaven/hell, and the child watching from limbo:

[vernal sundial]

i think rannick is kinda hot so i cant judge

[steep nexus]

He could literally do this too, wtf

[gilded rock]

Murder is cool if god told you to do it, kids

[midnight totem]

We know - Zealot players

[last parcel]

Murder is cool

[gilded rock]

Surely that's what the voices are

[vernal sundial]

thou shalt not kill
religion is leading cause of war and death throughout history

[terse idol]

Oh my god I recall that

It's so

Weird

[midnight totem]

• also Psykers, Veterans, Ogryns, Space Marines, hell everybody

[bitter turtle]

It's to reward him so he has double the kids, one set in heaven and one set on earth

[terse idol]

Like, haha, here's new kids

[somber axle]

this is fucked up but also like In The Name of God by Powerwolf is a fucking AMAZING song

[steep nexus]

He’s staring a heaven harem I guess

[terse idol]

They're not your kids but they are!

[somber axle]

at least we get cool music

for fucked up historical tragedies

[midnight totem]

Now he has to work twice as hard to support them all

Nice going

[terse idol]

We didn't resurrect them or anything

[last parcel]

IN THE NAME OF GOD WE GO TO HEEEEEEEEEEEAVEN

[vernal sundial]

the bible is just the most unhinged fanfiction ever conceived

[midnight totem]

Nah

[gilded rock]

I will check it out but that also reminded me of the time where some bald prophet was walking past a village and some kids called him bald

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dd-gif-12248412757376299816

[midnight totem]

Unhinged would be Mormonism

[somber axle]

me when I hear that song in a Darktide match

[gilded rock]

He said "IN THE NAME OF GOD" and then god summoned two bears that mauled FORTY TWO CHILDREN

[terse idol]

I mean and I'm focusing on the whole "Man layeth not with man" and some interpretations are literally just saying
"Don't sleep with young boys"

[midnight totem]

And then, there's Scientology

[steep nexus]

A SINGULAR STRIKE

[terse idol]

Like

Wow if the church

Actually focused less on homohobia

And more on rooting out pedophilia

[steep nexus]

Now, the true test, stand fast, or perish?

[terse idol]

Mayyybbe it would be better now

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-gif-5677205623738980111

[midnight totem]

I'm not even sure where on the unhinged scale Scientology is. I'm not even sure the scale can hold it

[vernal sundial]

overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer..

[agile forge]

I loved how they portrayed the story of Job in Good Omens

the tv series

[steep nexus]

Mortality clarified in a single blow!

[agile forge]

also crowley and aziraphale are so cute together

[terse idol]

To be fair scientology is at best a tax evasion haven, at worse a cult that lures in vulnerable people

[agile forge]

tbh could say the exact same about evangelical conservative christianity

[terse idol]

Yeag

[steep nexus]

Ringing ears, blurred vision.. The end approaches

[vernal sundial]

confidence surges as the enemy crumbles!

[gilded rock]

Weakest leper: "nuh uh"

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

[terse idol]

See I ain't a Christian but all I'm saying is plenty of folks loving screaming at others that they are indeed Christian and that just ain't the way

[midnight totem]

Me when my Crusader crits

[vernal sundial]

game loved giving me massive crits on leper but whenever i actually needed the luck for heals it would decide i deserved a heal of 0 and bleed instead

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-gif-19420450

[steep nexus]

Many fall in the face of chaos, but not this one, not today

[vernal sundial]

*visions of shoulder*

[midnight totem]

You'll take it and like it

Master of longsword? Master of shoulderbash

[steep nexus]

Take a toe stab, on the house

[vernal sundial]

what about a
incredibilis?

[gilded rock]

I like having constructive debates with Christians but just about every time it boils down to them getting angry and going "no"

[midnight totem]

Yo when he made a cameo in Samurai Showdown it was the best thing ever

https://youtu.be/iVeHNhSSIT8?si=AjOAAR16-abVTR1s

[gilded rock]

One time I convinced a guy out of his faith though

[vernal sundial]

my friend recently turned christian and at first i was happy for him but then he wouldn’t stfu about it, saying i needed to see the light, to be saved or face damnation
and i was like yeahhh im good man

[terse idol]

It depends on folks

[steep nexus]

Some people can be pretty annoying about it

Happy for you that you found meaning in faith, but I don’t need any, thank you

[bitter turtle]

His super is funny

[vernal sundial]

it’s always fun encountering for honor players in the wild
it’s like a shared empathy for those who’ve suffered the same pain

[bitter turtle]

Mina is olev

[terse idol]

Oh my god wait with all this Christian talk, I remeber I was like eating at my university food court and this dude comes up to me, asking like "Do you want to drink the fountain of life, meet God and gain immortality?"
And in my head I'm like "what the fuck kind of Christian god would want their followers to be immortal,that's some blasphemy shit"

[somber axle]

For Honour looked SO GOOD but I've been burned on games too many times so my rule now is I do not pre-order, I do not buy something on release unless it's an xpac for a game I'm already playing and even then I tend to wait a bit

Let the dust settle, ignore game critics, wait for people to play and talk about it

And then inevitably it goes on sale and I get it cheaper LOL

So I waited on For Honour and ended up seeing it crash and burn

[terse idol]

Really?

[vernal sundial]

ive been playing for like, 8 or so years since beta and have 3k hours on it
it’s fun, certainly a game of all time

[terse idol]

I thought it was successful

[candid agate]

for honour didnt crash and burn, its got a dedicated fan base who hate it but cant get away from it

[somber axle]

It's a good game with a lot of problems

[vernal sundial]

it’s had a niche community for a long time

[terse idol]

Some new champs releasing who were mega OP like centurion, and Gentoki

[somber axle]

Yeah like Darktide

[vernal sundial]

the budget got SLASHED a while back tho

[somber axle]

but also like Darktide

that playerbase is tiny

[midnight totem]

https://youtu.be/viggSiv36co?si=dE5IwuHFJdjW4oy1

[last parcel]

Does anyone else find Peacekeepers little scream she does when she jumps from short ledges ridiculously hot?

That little "AIEEEE" she does when she jumps down from short ledges just gets my blood pumping. Like I wish she'd jump from a small ledge onto me and knock the wind from my body, before having her way with me as she speaks Latin I barely understand.

Fuck, it's not fair. Why would Ubisoft create a character so perfect and yet restrict her to the digital realm?

Despite being the smallest character in the game, I'd let her dominate me. Sometimes when another player is playing her, I'll let her win, just so I can feel degraded by Peacekeeper.

I'd do anything to get executed by Peacekeeper IRL. ANYTHING.

Fuck guys, I just can't anymore. Fuck.

[candid agate]

i mean darktide has a chance, but for honour has no possible redemption

look at vermintide 2

[vernal sundial]

please god no not this again

[midnight totem]

Warden winning the Samurai game

[somber axle]

fingers crossed you don't get turned into the next City of Heroes

[terse idol]

Vermintide got redeemed kinda to be fair

[somber axle]

...wait

I looked it up

[terse idol]

Winds of magic like killed vt2 for a second

[somber axle]

they brought it back??

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-exterminatus-inquisitor-headsmash-gif-20422853

[somber axle]

WOW

[midnight totem]

Anyway. I'm gonna take a nap

[candid agate]

night night

[midnight totem]

Then. I am going to murder heretics

[somber axle]

Darktide will never rebound back into launch/beta days where we had like 100k+ players

but it's fine

it doesn't need to be that

I think Darktide is generally 6k-8k now

and that's pretty solid for a playerbase

[midnight totem]

Good. The rest are too weak

The rejects were weeded out

[vernal sundial]

id share a kyoshin copypasta but i realized it is far too nsfw for here lmao

[candid agate]

bigger playerbase than GTFO, which is bullshit since GTFO is so good

[orchid hemlock]

Good, I never have to worry about having to give them money for content 😎

[somber axle]

the funniest thing was discovering recently that a game like Rust has a much bigger playerbase LMFAO

[orchid hemlock]

As the saying goes: money cannot buy you poverty

[vernal sundial]

gtfo is peak

[candid agate]

bro who enjoys playing rust

[candid agate]

lets go another GTFO player

[somber axle]

a lot of people weirdly enough

[candid agate]

i said enjoys, not who plays

[vernal sundial]

i feel bad for all 120,674 of those playing right now

[somber axle]

ok that's fair LMFAO

this is like a grass is greener scenario

sure our air is polluted by nurgle and burgles keep vomiting on us

[vernal sundial]

as someone who used to play ark pvp, id never play rust

[somber axle]

but rust people are naked somewhere beating each other to death over rocks

so we're clearly better

[candid agate]

hey that sounds more fun than whatever i can do in darktide
its just when a server gets the eventual master group its unfun

[terse idol]

If a big update comes folks come back

[somber axle]

yeah I think we had like 10k+ during the penance update's release

HERE IT IS

almost 10k

for reference Path of Redemption dropped April 14th

player count more than doubled

when bolt pistol drops you'll probably see another spike

compared to Vermintide 2 we're looking pretty ok

and they got the big update with a PvP mode I think

[orchid hemlock]

inhales the copium inhaler

So when HD2 playerbase dies, they will migrate to Darktide!

[candid agate]

"when"

[somber axle]

I don't think the HD2 players will ever catch on to Sony's antics and afaik they're back to complaining about game balance and their paid battlepass weapons getting nerfed

[tall torrent]

Haymaker is suck a funny blessing for Ogryn

[orchid hemlock]

inhales again

It will happen trust

[terse idol]

I just don't think vt2 pvp is gonna get any jumps

[gilded rock]

Literally me

Ark is an experience for the jobless or the obsessed

[somber axle]

I don't think Vermintide 2 is a game that will pull back anyone but their oldest fans. I doubt it is drawing in much new blood

[gilded rock]

Never again

[orchid hemlock]

Helldiver fans try to actually boycott a game they constantly dislike challenge

IMPOSSIBLE

[vernal sundial]

not touching that game again until weapons are allowed to be anything better than "barely usable" lmao

[somber axle]

Maybe some old VT2 players popping in to try it

[orchid hemlock]

Helldiver fans are also insufferable when it comes to social aspects on reddit and Twitter 💀

[vernal sundial]

hd2 has the biggest culty following ive seen in a long time

[terse idol]

I mean I've largely stopped playing the game because of bad balance so

Hd2 has

[vernal sundial]

you criticize their game in any way and suddenly they take it as an attack and get all defensive

[terse idol]

Problems

[orchid hemlock]

"dude I love how their are no cringe woke politics in Helldivers"

My brother in Christ, if you flip Element 710 upside down it spells OIL

[somber axle]

I have fond memories of using a Spear to shoot an Automaton Fabricator literally on the other side of the map yet to be discovered by me or friends because it bugged out and locked onto a different base than the one I was literally looking at right in front of me and I decided to fire it for shits and giggles. My friends going "WHAT" in voice chat collectively seeing Radar Station Destroyed was music to my ears and I cackle when I think about it

This was before they fixed the gun