veteran-class

[untold pagoda]

now it only a shadow of it once was

[rocky jacinth]

I just want a long bolter, single shot only

[untold pagoda]

also

my best in slow power sword

[tall torrent]

Supercharge

[terse idol]

[untold pagoda]

i got this sword before they even rework the rolling system by the way

[somber axle]

I still use it to kill everything tbh

[terse idol]

Brittleness hasn't been good

[untold pagoda]

damn

also what is up with supercharge?

is it that bad?

[tall torrent]

It’s shit

[untold pagoda]

AAAAAAAAAA

i always thought it was good

[tall torrent]

It’s not sunder

[full nacelle]

brittleness and rending seem really overrated outside of hitting specific breakpoints of specific weapons

[untold pagoda]

i have this 1 but i dont even bother using it

[tall torrent]

Groaners dmg

[untold pagoda]

true

ruined

hadron alright

[tall torrent]

Also missing a dodge

[untold pagoda]

yea definitely

hah

[hollow ibex]

gotta hit those groaner BPs

[untold pagoda]

fuck hadron

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/3b24dfe506d548548b5a1f75bb7d50bc

[full nacelle]

this one is my baby I made yesterday

[somber axle]

Anything is possible if you put on clown shoes

[full nacelle]

there are many like it

but this one is mine

[tall torrent]

Swap maniac to elite

[untold pagoda]

wait what

how

[somber axle]

Super juicing a gun into silly status

[full nacelle]

too late! I needed the maniac damage to hit a breakpoint cause of its lower damage stat

[untold pagoda]

time to reroll auto pistol 1 again

sigh

[tall torrent]

What breakpoint

[terse idol]

Sweet jesus nooo

The investment for the reward is too hiiigh

[full nacelle]

mutant oneshot

[untold pagoda]

i got 5 god roll stat auto pistol ruined by the crit chance thing already

and im about to do it

again

u wont stop me

[tall torrent]

It’s far less important than 1 shotting 4 shotgunners per light atk

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[untold pagoda]

gambling addiction is real on this 1

[rocky jacinth]

without talents or what

[terse idol]

Me omw to stop you

[somber axle]

I can be very silly sometimes

[rocky jacinth]

are you being a silly boy

[somber axle]

I am being a silly cat

[untold pagoda]

best auto pistol i got was this

it shit yea

[full nacelle]

from what I'm seeing my power sword already does that 🤔

[full nacelle]

with talents.. I have to take superiority complex to hit certain breakpoints

[tall torrent]

With extra melee dmg investment yea

Does ur power sword hit 2 tap both ragers

[full nacelle]

yeah I'm ok with that... it's going on a full melee DPS build

uhhh

yes

[tall torrent]

Good enough

[rocky jacinth]

behold a real man's power sword

[full nacelle]

yeah it suits my needs well 🙂

for my less melee-intensive builds I prefer my Rashad or shovel

so I don't need to worry about the talents

[untold pagoda]

oh fuck it reall good build

[somber axle]

I should warn that following what I do is probably a recipe for suffering LMFAO

[untold pagoda]

i just tried it out lmao

[somber axle]

I do many silly things and others have lost sanity trying to put on my clown shoes

[untold pagoda]

i stop rolling the autopistol after it got nerf lmao

[somber axle]

But if you have fun then welcome to the clown dance

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-licking-gif-15304648

[untold pagoda]

u making me do it again biatch

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[full nacelle]

I'm going to wait for buffs before I attempt to do autopistol build

I love what you're cooking though Sneaky

[terse idol]

Melee weak spot damage

Blehhh

[somber axle]

This is very fair

I'm a terrible chef

[full nacelle]

no, you're a visionary

keep that crown on king

or queen

[somber axle]

the clown crown

[full nacelle]

yes

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/crushing-the-food-puff-meow-chef-that-little-puff-mixing-it-all-together-gif-18234368054519836868

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-kitten-mixing-stirring-gif-16256448

(it's gasoline and styrofoam)

[full nacelle]

I REALLY wish For The Emperor didn't proc when you first hit infiltrate

[uncut pebble]

So after coming back and reading this channel, it sounds a lot like the helbore lasguns are just niche weapons that require a specific set of blessings and perks to run against other choices.

[untold pagoda]

good lord this build work even better on the columnus @somber axle

[grand perch]

hm? its supposed to proc when you break stealth

[uncut pebble]

Good to know.

[full nacelle]

nah it pops when you active it unlike the other buffs 😦

[terse idol]

Honestly that's just akot of weapons

[full nacelle]

kind of a waste unless you're just using it for suppression

[terse idol]

What is the lasgun

But a niche specific weapon

That you need blessings for

[tall torrent]

Damn, maybe bugged?

[untold pagoda]

also near perfect columnus

[full nacelle]

Yeah must be

[terse idol]

Helbore at least also has some more potential with the bayonet

[uncut pebble]

Most weapons don't require a setup to perform well. That's what I meant.

[terse idol]

(But they do)

[rocky jacinth]

i just realized my columnus actually hits harder per bullet than my rashad combat axe

[untold pagoda]

for some reason the game didnt record any dps bigger than 3600 for some reason???

[tall torrent]

Most weapons have very specific perks & blessings they want

[untold pagoda]

what

[uncut pebble]

I can perform fine with a revolver as long as I can quickdraw to 1tap a trapper or flamer.

[tall torrent]

How

[terse idol]

There are revolver breakpoints to be fair

And a revolver still wants

[uncut pebble]

I do not need hand cannon or whatever blessings on it, theyre just nice to have.

[terse idol]

Hand cannon

[rocky jacinth]

MF build

[terse idol]

No no hold on

I dunno the bp

But you do want handcannon for crushers

[uncut pebble]

Well, yes, want.

[tall torrent]

Rashad hits for like 1k per hit on carapace, Columnus is not hitting those numbers

[uncut pebble]

Not need.

[rocky jacinth]

nah i'm just smacking ragers

[uncut pebble]

There are plenty of other ways of dealing with carapace.

[rocky jacinth]

columnus does dick to crushers

[full nacelle]

I'm not sure if it is a bug tbh... It's the only one of those talents that doesn't specify it happens after Infiltrate ends

[terse idol]

Well

[rocky jacinth]

i guess it's ok, zero rending

[terse idol]

This is certain why like you do want it

Because it reduces crusher BP pretty good

I mean perrrsonally

I'd definetly say Handcannon is mandatory

At least

But you're right

I think the issue being the revolver is also just a strong gun

Still pretty on par with the pretty good trifecta of guns

Pgun, ciag, revolver

[full nacelle]

for a Zarona-based build... Hand Cannon + Surgical or Hand Cannon + Speedload?

I hate getting stuck in the reload animation

[rocky jacinth]

definitely surgical i'd say

just run always prepared

[full nacelle]

this is a Focus Target! build built around using the revolver as much as possible

if I was using it as a sidearm most of the time I'd probably go Always Prepared

[tall torrent]

If u want to use revolver as much as possible you take weapon specialist lol

[elder fiber]

are we still arguing about helbores

[full nacelle]

why's that?

[tall torrent]

Because always prepared means u don’t need to reload

[rocky jacinth]

auto reload, guaranteed insta crit when you swap

[elder fiber]

b/c getting free reloads in revolver for killing 1 trash mob is broken

and the free crit on top lol

[full nacelle]

Right but that also means playing in melee a lot to make the most use of it. This is on more of a specialist sniper build.

[somber axle]

Welcome to maximum silly hours LMFAO

[rocky jacinth]

consider a boltgun if you wanna have a sniper rifle

[tall torrent]

Weapon specialist revolver is a specialist sniper build lol

Revolver just isn’t that good with a sharpshooter build because u don’t have nearly as much uptime with it compared to basically everything that’s not a shotgun

You can only make it 1 shot something so hard

[terse idol]

I mean, weapon is good

Urgh

Weapon spec is good and pretty easy to use

[full nacelle]

Nah don't get me wrong, weapon spec is the best vet keystone

I was just building around taking every Focus Target! node

[terse idol]

And I mean also with a revolver you're spending half the time in melee anywho

Maybe more

[tall torrent]

You genuinely don’t need to take every node for FT

[elder fiber]

I got fully bored of weapon spec after getting the penance, can we get a rework so that 3 out of 4 of its bonus nodes aren't fucking garbo

[tall torrent]

It’s either target down or redirect fire

[full nacelle]

I know. That's the basis of this build though.

[terse idol]

I mean

It's great that WS doesn't have a big talent tax

😌

[tall torrent]

What did u even put in the build

[terse idol]

You only need like 2 out of 4

And you can survive with 1 out of 4

[hearty panther]

i think WS is genuinely trash

[terse idol]

[full nacelle]

Again, I know. That's the point of the build though.

It is THE Focus Target build

[tall torrent]

What is the build

[full nacelle]

one sec let me build it real quick

[hearty panther]

it has ridiculous potential with a handful of niche ranged weapons and is otherwise unbearably clunky and grossly overtuned for melee

[terse idol]

This is compared to infiltrate

Which you need like

[elder fiber]

ah yes, niche weapons like uhh

[terse idol]

a heft talent tax

[hearty panther]

its just a shitty design

[elder fiber]

revolver and plasma

[terse idol]

(I did use it with the lawbringer)

I mean

I think it's funny

[tall torrent]

Plasma prefers FT

[terse idol]

And this isn't even talking about the goofy thing you can do

When you grab the slug shotgun with man stopper

[elder fiber]

idk

[terse idol]

for infinite cleave

[elder fiber]

never having to reload it is pretty funny

[hearty panther]

but you already rarely do

[elder fiber]

and idc about missing a breakpoint or two b/c ft bonus, its plasma I can just lmb one more time

[hearty panther]

like i can barely remember the last time i was caught out by hitting 0 on my plasma mag

[rocky jacinth]

trust me bro, boltgun with surgical and that build'll be FIRE

[terse idol]

Lmb 1 more time is stinky

[hearty panther]

its ginormous

[terse idol]

😌

[tall torrent]

Drop 8 stacks for stam regen boost on left side, and prob bring a shovel

[terse idol]

It's why you just

Build your pgun anyways

Like you don't need WS

Or even

FS

To meet pgun break points

[full nacelle]

Boltgun feels real bad without Exe Stance though

[tall torrent]

U kind of do

[terse idol]

WHAT

For crushers

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs superiority + redirect fire/longshot

[terse idol]

Oh

[tall torrent]

This is why it prefers FT

[terse idol]

Yeah that makes sense

FT just is flexible anywho

[full nacelle]

Yep! I run shovel with it right now

[tall torrent]

Also I’ll just say

MG4 marksman focus is funny and worth trying

[hearty panther]

mg4 in general

people just really hate clicking

[full nacelle]

I gotta be honest, the lasgun sounds just don't do it for me

[tall torrent]

MG4 has a bunch of QoL stuff going on

Fast ads move speed, instant sprint to fire

[hallow parrot]

I just happened to run on an MG4 and it was... okay

[hearty panther]

wish it didnt have the same sprint cost as the other lasguns tho

[hallow parrot]

but for some reason laser weapons in general feel hella weaker vs autoguns now

[hearty panther]

+.6 sprint speed but still eats 1.75 stam/s

[tall torrent]

It’s ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233790660142829670/1244318446422855852/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.05.26_-_11.54.08.07.mov?ex=6654ad5b&is=66535bdb&hm=b7b1a84c11927cfef344ab80687a01b4c2915b6cdd26b0461e869bf768b61c51&

[hallow parrot]

like I remember the flashlight being able to clear pretty consistently without having to stop and dump on an elite so they go down

[full nacelle]

I agree Ottomic. I don't know how much of it is placebo but the recon lasguns seem to take a lot of shots to drop most stuff.

[hallow parrot]

infantry and heavy pistols too

[full nacelle]

And this is coming from someone who runs the Graia Braced Autogun

[hallow parrot]

agri braced nation rise up 😤

[tall torrent]

I will say
I’m considering headhunter + no respite for MG4

Instead of deadly accurate

[hallow parrot]

I mean with the right build you can prolly balance it out. my talent tree looks like a car accident

[terse idol]

It actually makes my wrist hurt

Old

[full nacelle]

thank god for the full auto mod

[hallow parrot]

spoeaking of skill trees that look like a wreck, does this also happen to you as well?

[terse idol]

Uh

I'd verify file integrity

[last parcel]

FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH

[somber axle]

Yeah that's the same for me

[hallow parrot]

only happens with that ult too, like idk

[last parcel]

came with the skulls event

[somber axle]

It's been like that since the Skulls event went live

[hallow parrot]

right, so it's not a me thing

[somber axle]

Some people are speculating this broke because Fatshark is going to rework it in a future patch

[elder fiber]

hoping to god thats true

[somber axle]

Would be fun to see it changed with the coming crafting rework in a month

All the talent nodes are also broken

[hallow parrot]

I like that ult. Like I get why people prefer the other two but

[terse idol]

That would be crazy

But I only think it's a bug

We've seen screwed up formating in the past

[hallow parrot]

I play anti-elite so it saves me to just having to peak around seeing where that mf trapper is yelling from

[somber axle]

I can dream

[terse idol]

Hopium.exe

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-mald-destiny-duke-gif-26876936

[untold pagoda]

yea im having too much fun running this build rn

thnx for the build

man

[somber axle]

the only problem with it imo is no grenade regen but tbh I don't remember to use my grenades enough as is LOL so I barely noticed

[untold pagoda]

same lol who need it when u can shred these fucking in 0.1 seconds

only thing gripe i have with this is survivability

been trying different weapon out for that

i'll take the shovel with all or nothing and power on hit thing

it pretty good

since it doesnt rely as much in skill tree to be a good weapon

[hallow parrot]

the fact that I'm liking shotties as much as I am is like

I wasn't expecting it, but I'm not going to complain about it

[full nacelle]

shotties are underrated

[full nacelle]

did you post your autopistol build somewhere?

What are the best perks for the mkVI combat blade?

[midnight totem]

Elite, manic, flak, carapace

[full nacelle]

Thank ya!

[midnight totem]

This vet has the saddest laspistol I ever seen

11 stopping power

[full nacelle]

oh no

poor dude

[midnight totem]

Literally a flashlight

[gilded wraith]

Possibly his level when he consecrated it.

[elder fiber]

still probably better than recon

[somber axle]

Yeah it's goofy LMFAO

I've been running matches with it today before work

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1244328674338013276/image.png?ex=6654b6e2&is=66536562&hm=1ee2d9eec519723073e2873187a7a357d4847916274c94a65f859f2141455cbf&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1244330231456727121/image.png?ex=6654b855&is=665366d5&hm=66f0d4f9a01681ba9d6781ddf60b6e80ba01a2ee9d17720030f8ca0ce19eab26&

https://gyazo.com/3b24dfe506d548548b5a1f75bb7d50bc

[hallow parrot]

Yeah man I wasn't sold on them but if you manage your reloads that thing hits like a truck

and it's easier to keep it ready than a bolter

[somber axle]

I love my autopistol look too

[hallow parrot]

also manstopper rounds are p peak

[somber axle]

I've been running her with my Combat Knife

[full nacelle]

Bless you! I am ready to engage in clownery. What difficulty you playing at?

[somber axle]

Standard Damnation atm but I'm going to hop into Auric Damnation for my next match

I'm feeling extra funny with my Shredder Autopistol today

[full nacelle]

Oh good luck haha

let me know how it goes

[midnight totem]

anyway, this damnation team is really, really bad

[somber axle]

I joined into a quickplay match and the Psyker left in the pre-game lobby LMFAO

I can't blame them

They saw a clown and said no

[midnight totem]

once again clutching and carrying with bots

[last parcel]

smh cant stand these coulrophobes

[full nacelle]

My favorite is the Lawbringer with manstopper + scattershot

aim at head level and watch things explode

[full nacelle]

the real clowns are the Trauma staff Psykers

where's the fun in that?

[hallow parrot]

• Trapper: "SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COL-"
• My agripinaa slug: 👉 😘 👉

[full nacelle]

how am I meant to use the mkVI combat blade?

feels kind of clunky

I'm guessing special into overhead stab is the way to go on single target

[somber axle]

yeah it was fine LMFAO

[full nacelle]

OKAYYYYYYYYYYY

[somber axle]

I wish I had Scoreboard on to see how I did tbh

[full nacelle]

I was just about to ask

LMAO

[somber axle]

It was very ammo hungry but killed everything quickly

I ran out of ammo twice during the mission

But otherwise was blasting through specials and elites like they were paper

[tall torrent]

Kill everything

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-confused-dont-know-thinking-john-c-reilly-gif-16141237

[feral jetty]

OI BOSSES

I hope yall are having a good day

[full nacelle]

ayyyy dwarfdude ❤️

you too king

missed you

[feral jetty]

waddup luke

[tall torrent]

Focus on killing elites & specialists in a horde

[full nacelle]

oh you know, just spending time I should be doing errands and going to the gym on Darktide

as you do

[feral jetty]

huge

[full nacelle]

am I supposed to spam special stabs?

[tall torrent]

Depends

For normal enemies u do H1 > H2 > BC or H2 > L3 loop

For elites u do H2 > PA

PA is the highest DPS option but costs stamina which u need to learn how to manage

[full nacelle]

I am not familiar with BC or PA

[tall torrent]

BC is block cancel

PA is push atk

[somber axle]

I'm starting to feel like Corruption Resistance is vital

So many people pick up grimoires

double grimoire squad in a high intensity shock trooper gauntlet is painful

play perfectly or die

[full nacelle]

gotchu! yeah the push attack on this thing is much better

[feral jetty]

@full nacelle stay behind me boss

[midnight totem]

two grims take you well under one wound without any corruption resistance

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

GO BIG MAN, GO!

[feral jetty]

RAHHHHHHH

[rocky jacinth]

I need more crit weapons

I wanna criiiiiit

[full nacelle]

Are Hunter's Resolve and Surprise Attack worth taking on infiltrate?

[hearty panther]

resolve ni

no* attack yea if you wanna

i guess i should say if you arent using low profile, you can use hunters resolve

but you should really just use low profile

[full nacelle]

yeah low profile seems like far and away the best node

Hunter's Resolve is a weird one... like you pop out of stealth hoping to draw aggro?

and surprise attack only lasts 5 seconds

[hearty panther]

imo the +1 and low profile are best

surprise attack is nice if you set up some shredder nades first or for bossing

but i find its sorta outclassed by for the emperor and/or close quarters kill zone

which you are likely also already pathing through or near

[north zephyr]

Any builds that actually make killshot ready fun? This keystone is the absolute worst and while using lawbringer into hordes is making it go a bit quicker, it's anti-fun

[somber axle]

you could crabwalk while using a plasma sword

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-tf2-team-fortress-gif-4794774

[rocky jacinth]

i could give you my columnus iag MF build

it's strong and fun

[wild vortex]

please

I suck at using MF, I need a build that can help me be less bad

[serene bough]

Man seeing spycrab makes me feel old

[rocky jacinth]

you can swap in tunnel vision with something if you want for better survivability if you want to tank shooters and stuff

as for melee, i use a knife but you can use whatever you want that kills armor

[wild vortex]

chsword? Rashad?

I don't have a knife yet

[rocky jacinth]

make sure to get stamina and sprint efficiency on your curios so you can keep going fast

rashad would work, yeah

[wild vortex]

I love that axe so much

using it on both Vet and Shouty

[rocky jacinth]

if you're a funny lil guy you can get stripped down on your gun and grab duck and dive to ignore gunners

[wild vortex]

no I think that's too for me

I have accepted that the fewer things I need to keep in mind while playing, the better I play

so I just find me builds that feel good and fun

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is not good vs carapace

[full nacelle]

Rashad is friggin amazing

I run it on a melee Veteran medic/tank build that uses Born Leader

you can actually see everyone's toughness refill itself instantly

[agile forge]

Power Sword 6 is the gold standard for executioner stance melees imo

[midnight totem]

wooo, I rolled myself a new eviscerator MKX

I think this one is my best yet

[agile forge]

Great antiarmour and very quick

[full nacelle]

congrats!

[agile forge]

Shovel 7 is a great anti Carapace pick too

[agile forge]

The XV?

[midnight totem]

yeah xv

[agile forge]

Fuckin ell

[full nacelle]

oh she is a beaut

[agile forge]

I am fully erect with faith in the emperor

[midnight totem]

Sold my old XV, it had the same blessings, but like, 50 shredder and unarmored/flak

if only I could get this thing on my vet

[tall torrent]

nice roll

[wild vortex]

the special attack isn't good for cara?

[neat musk]

https://tenor.com/view/schlatt-jschlatt-gif-25279056

[wild vortex]

[neat musk]

oh come on

[tall torrent]

no

takes 2 rev heavy atks to kill crusher

and does not stagger crusher

[hearty panther]

i mean

its better than donkin them with light hits

[tall torrent]

chainsword is just hard carried by FotF

[agile forge]

Chainsword wants to be a crowd clearer

[tall torrent]

there're better anti-carapace options on vet

[agile forge]

With rev for killing anything smaller than an ogryn

It's extremely satisfying against Mutants at least

Like my favourite interaction in the game

[languid dune]

Survivalist still worth having after the big nerf? All my builds obvs still run it

[full nacelle]

man dark mode Vigil Station goes kinda hard

Less worth now. I don't run it on a lot of my builds.

[languid dune]

The other two are so negligible though that it seems like it doesn't matter

I like Get Back in the Fight though

[full nacelle]

the other two give you better pathing depending on what you want to do

on some of my vet builds I rarely swap to my ranged weapon

so it just depends

definitely not a mandatory node but still good

[tall torrent]

depends on the build

[radiant chasm]

still S tier

[full nacelle]

man there is no good talent to take at the start of the middle skill tree in this build

and it's making my OCD go crazy

[agile forge]

Still the best but less OP

[hollow ibex]

wouldn't say it's the best anymore

heavily build dependent now

[full nacelle]

movement speed is very underrated

[hollow ibex]

it's def my favorite now

always liked it before, but surv nerf and smoke buff really helped it

[full nacelle]

I still haven't had a proper game where smokes have been useful 😦

I need a smoke training arc

[agile forge]

Easy mode: use it for hack objectives

[hallow parrot]

yeah objectives and revives

I prefer carrying kraks that I will always throw along with someone else, meaning someone will waste at least a nade on an elite

why be niche useful when you can be not useful at all

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[full nacelle]

rashad

[hallow parrot]

I like the atrox

[sturdy zephyr]

Which mark for axes have fastest swing?i saw on stream before

[rocky jacinth]

MK2 tactical goes fast

i don't know if it's the fastest but it's my favorite

[hallow parrot]

all tacticals have flurry

[agile forge]

Out of the combat axes specifically, the Rashad is the fastest due to Finesse stat

But tac axes much faster

[sinful swallow]

finally got my cycler 4

[full nacelle]

anyone ever try a pure grenadier build?

krak grenades with grenade tinkerer, demo stockpile, grenadier, and demo team?

[hallow parrot]

ah, I get it now. It's less than recon lasers are shit, and more that I was getting the shit variant

mk6 my beloved

[hollow ibex]

yes though nade spam build is much better with frags

[full nacelle]

oh whoops I meant frags

is it any good?

[sinful swallow]

youll miss the talents youre giving up to take all of that

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2demoman-glue-hell-team-fortress2-gif-22429703

[hollow ibex]

nade spam is a funny meme build

would consider it viable, though not great

[hearty panther]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_taffy

there you go

i didnt know what it was called in english

oh whoops not this chat

[full nacelle]

good enough for me

I learned about Maple Taffy today

[hollow ibex]

meme builds best builds anyway

tfw you have a nade spam build and pick up an ammo crate

https://tenor.com/view/ofa-gif-26728573

[unique orchid]

what do you guys think of the m1a lasgun

[last parcel]

i always thought the FAL looked cooler

[languid spade]

@atomic orchid lol

[agile forge]

I'm gonna be trying this with shreddies next time I play

Got a 1a lasgun/mark 7 shovel build with all the good grenade shit

Not sure how it will do vs bosses though

Gonna take focus target so I still contribute 20% either way

Lovely free power

points I'm helping

[frank basin]

“Sit on this Cinderella” -Dallas

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/canada-canadian-flag-flag-waving-flag-canadian-gif-19134852

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-and-the-flying-circus-john-cleese-witch-witches-burn-gif-15349953

[karmic moat]

I have a question, about pants. There are these straps that loop around your thighs and attach to your belt on the Dead-eyes's Duty uniform pants. What are they for? I'm damned curious as they almost look like they'd more so impede movement than anything, but I'm still curious.

[karmic moat]

I shall bring this information to my increasing number of Canadian friends

[unreal bone]

Yo

Can this be salvaged?

I checked the ranged weapons primer for vet and best perks are

Flak Maniac Reload

I have flak reload already

[tiny summit]

Now this is peak Vet chat.

[unreal bone]

Deathspitter also a BiS blessing

according to the document

wait so is hit and run?

Damn I hit 4 BiS rolls on this shotgun?

oh wait whoops I was reading the braced autoguns not the shotguns rip

[hollow ibex]

oof

[tropic imp]

Thats shotgun works with scattershot + flechette

[hollow ibex]

kanty you want deathspitter and no respite

[unreal bone]

Flechette is considered useful?

[hollow ibex]

then flakiac

[hollow ibex]

flechette was removed in the new version of the guide

which hasn't been released yet

[unreal bone]

oh

sadge

I am a big flechette fan

[hollow ibex]

no respite is a must

[unreal bone]

I will make a flechette shotgun later then lol

so what

[hollow ibex]

flechette is mostly for the memes

[unreal bone]

Deathspitter No Respite?

[hollow ibex]

yeah

[unreal bone]

then replace reload with maniac?

[hollow ibex]

so your shotty isn't bricked

yup

[unreal bone]

sad that Flak wasn't the 4 star perk

[hollow ibex]

shoooould be fine

[unreal bone]

Oh I know

but just sad

cause it could've been near perf

welp need to farm for a no respite shotgun

brb

300k plasteel later

shoutout to this random 308 columnus I got that rolled two fucking TIV perks

TIV Deathspitter and TIV Dumdum

Literally coulda been a godroll if I had higher stats

could've made it Level 4 Flak Level 4 Maniac with level 4 deathspitter dumdum

That was an emperor gift like forever ago

I'm actually gonna keep it incase in the future they somehow allow us to increase modifier rating

The first Kantrael shotty I level up to try and find no respite

rolls TIV hit and TIV respite

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-bob-bob-my-honest-reaction-bobs-honest-reaction-funny-gif-17779188775390892642

[south garnet]

people dont know how to do the new dot puzzle and its pissin me off

[unreal bone]

I don't wanna sound toxic

but either I'm really smart or people are really dumb

it took me genuinely 10 seconds to figure out that puzzle day 1 of the update

on Auric Damnantion of all difficulties

[south garnet]

yea im doing auric maels and people still dont know, bizarre

[rocky jacinth]

it took me a good minute since i assumed it was timing based like the normal puzzle

[south garnet]

only thing thats a little wonky about it is you have to click and then click again to confirm

[agile forge]

Hab dreyko?

[stuck gorge]

yea the circle minigame

[agile forge]

I like that you can prog it in stages because the same target is correct for each iteration

So if you get interrupted on step 3 you can skip to it a bit faster

[terse idol]

Oh

The issue I found is that you can get a negative response when you first do it

Since, I started it and got a positive response but I didn't learn what the response I needed to do what

So I was under the impression I had to do a sequence in order to get the next response

*cough

Me as I write what I mean in a convoluted fashion

Basically it's just the way the game can teach you the puzzle and if you do it weird the first time, it might lead to a situation where you don't actually know what it wants from you

[midnight totem]

Dear God Emperor, I do not want to heavy swing with ogryn any longer

[real sorrel]

welp guess i gotta start rolling some shovels to farm blessings now

[midnight totem]

Nice

[real sorrel]

yeah id love oggy to have like, brass knuckles weapon or smth. just super fast haymakers

[south garnet]

looking forward to crafting not being dogshit

[junior needle]

You might need to wait a bit more

[orchid hemlock]

What's the "translation" reffering to?

[junior needle]

The bolded statements

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I understand what the translation is filtering thru, what I'm asking is who is the one translating?

[junior needle]

He's a moderator on this discord

Clarifying what the bolded statements actually mean

[orchid hemlock]

OK, so I'm going to assume then that he's just "translating" the statement based on his personal opinion?

[junior needle]

Very unlikely

It's to let people know that crafting may or may not actually be happening then and to not get your hopes up

[orchid hemlock]

I understand that this is his interpretation, but a translation is when you use a variable source to confirm a different wording of writing

[sinful swallow]

Those loops you can hang stuff off of, it's pointless on the reject though because they don't put anything on it

[orchid hemlock]

So for example a "translation" would be like him talking to a member of the developer blog that was part of the decision making of this update and can provide their incite.

[junior needle]

It's not his interpretation, he's telling us using his actual knowledge of what's going on.

[white minnow]

well he is speaking on behalf of fatshark

[junior needle]

You're reading this a very wrong way

[white minnow]

if the crafting rework doesn't seem good for release by june 25th, it'll be delayed

simple as

[orchid hemlock]

I thought u said he was a discord mod, I have no idea what his affiliation is with Fatshark

[white minnow]

he's a playtester as well

[orchid hemlock]

So who told him or who did he listen in on that clarifies that statement in the blog then?

[junior needle]

[somber axle]

A little of column A and a little of column B is my guess. I still don't know how to do it and whenever I get the mission in quickplay I just go full murder mode and kill things to give others space to do the puzzle

So far I've been able to sneak by unnoticed by my team

[sinful swallow]

You just hover and wait for it to flash red or green, click if green or wasd to move to check next

[junior needle]

Presumably he knows because of his in as a playtester and moderator of the official discord, and even regular playtesters (like crab) used to communicate with fatshark devs on things directly

Hence crab got to boast about how he got the mk6 power sword the way it is now

[somber axle]

Ah ok. That sounds easy. Unfortunately I am colourblind so I will continue to let others do it for me LOL

[orchid hemlock]

I would like to know where he drew that conclusion then, because I don't think you need a mod to deduce that this is just wishy washy promises.

What I'm more interested in is if he has something that actually shows the comparison of the itemization update with the rest of the update

[white minnow]

presumably he's a playtester for the crafting rework as well

just ping him if you want answers

he's literally here

as a mod

or dm him

[sinful swallow]

Would he actually be able to talk about it

[orchid hemlock]

I feel like he's already been dmed thousands of times and prob won't message me back 😔

[junior needle]

playtesters are typically under NDA

[white minnow]

no idea but orcka is asking the wrong people currently because we certainly don't have answers

[junior needle]

So you can only say what you're explicitly allowed to say

(Or legally allowed to by being vague)

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshark not being transparent on their updates is also a problem, because they are then not held accountable

I have no idea about anything about this "itemization" update until this post

So how long has Fatshark been hiding this?

Or the worst case scenario is that there is nothing, and this statement in the post is just a vague outline of non existant progress

[junior needle]

Fatshark mentioned it quite awhile ago

You just missed it

[karmic moat]

lel, they look un-comfy XD

but I like the pants cos more flak plate

[sinful swallow]

You actually really don't notice it unless you're loading them up pretty heavy

[white minnow]

in that case, the accountability is that they set a date and if there's nothing by then, then there we go

[karmic moat]

ohyeah? good to hear tbh don't want my lad un-comfy, the 40k setting is uncomfy enough XD

[sinful swallow]

Is there any consistency to whether a mutant slams you or just throws you

[tall torrent]

no

[sinful swallow]

Yeah I figured cause the NDAs for that stuff are usually VERY tight

[thorn lark]

bro is just stirring up a conspiracy

[radiant chasm]

Yes, if you are close to a wall and/or the game thinks weird clipping will happen when slammed, you will be thrown immediately instead usually

[junior needle]

They did say "crafting rework in the works"

[runic birch]

They change our perks again?

[junior needle]

Not sure exactly how long ago

[radiant chasm]

They are gonna hunt me for sport?

[runic birch]

havent been on in a month...

[thorn lark]

i mean "So how long has Fatshark been hiding this?" ""accountable"

inb4 sharkgate

[pseudo fiber]

13th of March was the "What's coming up in darktide" post

[radiant chasm]

People don’t read

[sinful swallow]

Im really hoping everything makes it to June update

Because waiting till December again for anything is cringe

[radiant chasm]

Lowkey want them to stall the crafting update cause i’d go through so many bags of popcorn

[unreal bone]

I feel like

this isn't a bad boltgun

and it can be salvaged

thoughts?

Collateral is just stagger % on boltgun

[thorn lark]

for a vet ?

[unreal bone]

yes

Tbh I don't mind low collat because it means my target will stop moving their fucking head so much

[full nacelle]

Go for it if you want

I personally did not enjoy my time with boltgun on Vet

[thorn lark]

i would go unarmored to flak :unyielding and cavalcade to pinning

[full nacelle]

But that is a good one

[unreal bone]

huh?

[thorn lark]

i prefer cavalcade on blazing piety / chastise zealot

[unreal bone]

I don't understand what you're saying there Keet

[thorn lark]

why do you want unarmored on it?

[radiant chasm]

Yee but for bulwarks stagger is important now 🙂

[thorn lark]

even with 80 collat it's not automatic

better use a nade

[full nacelle]

Bulwark get the krak

[thorn lark]

days of > 51 collar bolter are long gone

[full nacelle]

Ruining my fun with their safety rectangles

[unreal bone]

Krak is superior to bolt

[unreal bone]

I'm not saying I want unarmored on it

I'm saying I can't fucking understand what you typed earlier

[thorn lark]

oh sorry

[unreal bone]

unarmored to flak is the only thing I understand from this

[thorn lark]

unarmored > flak or unyielding

[sinful swallow]

This is honestly a really good bolter

[thorn lark]

cavalcade > pinning fire

[unreal bone]

So you're saying Cavalcade is better than pinning fire

my gun doesn't even have pinning fire

[thorn lark]

i said replace cavalcade with pinning fire

we're not doing maths mate

[unreal bone]

Bruh that is the universal sign for greater than

[sinful swallow]

^

[unreal bone]

cavalcade -> pinning fire

[thorn lark]

i said cavalcade to pinning earlier

also, cavalcade is better for magdumping on elites

but vet has access to talents that complement surgical

like deadshot, precision strikes, focus target ks

[sinful swallow]

Consistent weak point crits push you into a ton of one shot breakpoints

Do you guys actually use the pinning fire though

[thorn lark]

yeah

[somber axle]

This is pretty solid. Collateral isn't too useful unless you're gunning for the 2 shot stagger on shooting Bulwark shields so you can probably ignore Collateral if you'd rather just bait the swing, dodge and shoot them in the face

[unreal bone]

I krak bulwarks

[somber axle]

You'd need Exe Stance to do the 2 shot Bulwark shield break anyway

[unreal bone]

I shout veteran with kraks

[sinful swallow]

If you're higher than them you can just shoot over the shield too

[somber axle]

That's fair. I go almost exclusively left side of the tree for my Boltgun build

[thorn lark]

shooting the floor in front of mobs stagger them and gives you pinning stacks

[south garnet]

Honestly I didn't and still don't expect crafting revisions until like October at the earliest

[somber axle]

She crushes everything that pokes their head up in front of me

[sinful swallow]

The stacks drop off way too fast unless you're mag dumping

[south garnet]

But it would be a cool surprise

[somber axle]

It's just really, really satisfying

[midnight totem]

How dare you waste holy bolter ammunition

[unreal bone]

So do you also suggest I get pinning fire?

[thorn lark]

hu, no oO

[somber axle]

Yes. I can show you my Boltgun for reference if you like

[unreal bone]

sure

[unreal bone]

How long does pinning stack for?

I like to take my time with the boltgun

[sinful swallow]

Wait am I idiot

Does VoC insta stack it if your bolter is out

[unreal bone]

If it does that'd be insane

[tall torrent]

bonk

[sinful swallow]

One of these days I'm gonna start rolling melk curios

My vet still runs 3 +2stam 10%docket and stam regen lmao

[somber axle]

Sorry am working and bouncing back and forth a bunch. I'm not sure how long exactly but you can get max stacks very quickly and easily with just 1 or 2 shots into a group

I have a clip I can share

[tall torrent]

2.5s

[somber axle]

The funny Bulwark shield stagger on a single shot

This is not realistic for actual matches

You need Collateral close to 80%, Executioner's Stance active, max Pinning Fire stacks and a Combat Stim to reach the new Bulwark 1 shot stagger threshold on Boltgun now

Technically possible but not realistically possible

Agripina Shotgun special slug can stagger in 1 shot

One Shotgun slug to stagger a Bulwark firing directly into their shield

Ignore the clown science though

Just use Executioner's Stance with a 70%+ Collateral Boltgun to 2 shot shield stagger Bulwarks or just don't shoot into their shields at all

But wow I love hitting Exe Stance and then just doing a hipfire tap mouse 1 for the quick 2 shot burst to pop Bulwark shields and blow their heads off with the third shot

[tall marsh]

Melk is offering. Do I buy? If so, what do I change?

Mind you, I don't have any blessings unlocked for Mk7

[tall torrent]

No

[tall marsh]

cool, thanks. I've never had a proper shovel before and I kinda don't wanna waste resources on rerolling stuff these days

[hearty panther]

ten solid minutes clutching with a recon and knife

just for the lobby to drop a couple minutes afterwards lmao

once im through with these heretics, god is next

[full nacelle]

anyone know if the Mg Ia lasgun needs certain perks?

mine has flak and elite

[last parcel]

there's also an audio beepbloop when it confirms you're on the right (white) one

i forgot to hit send lmfao

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac usually

[full nacelle]

Gotchu! I got bad blessings so I guess I'll have to skip on maniac for now

Elite should be ok for now

Preciate ya ❤️

[terse idol]

Dang your music going hard

Also what the

Did you time your music?

[runic birch]

did they nerf Survivalist... rip

[stuck gorge]

well i mean it was kinda broken

[runic birch]

yeah i dont even notice it i run out of ammo anyway

[midnight totem]

1500 more heavy swings for my ogryn

[somber axle]

That's good to know! I'll practice with Infiltrate and see if I can memorize the audio queues

[somber axle]

No but it ended up making me look way cooler than I meant LOL

[midnight totem]

I'm actually going to taunt 1k elites before the heavy hitter penance

[tame lodge]

700

it's rough out here

[midnight totem]

Closer then me

Still, I got 8 games to go for 100 ogryn games so

Should be able to reach it

All at about the same time

[tame lodge]

It just feels
So
Karking
Slow

[last parcel]

this might help
https://streamable.com/6vm0f0

[hearty panther]

is it over

did i beat the darktide yet

[hallow parrot]

John Darktide

[ocean sundial]

the darktide was the friends we made along the way

[somber axle]

Oh I can see the colours properly! It does help thanks 😄

[runic meadow]

hey is determined good

[hearty panther]

but all my friends died

[runic meadow]

no suppression

idk what it really does

[hearty panther]

yes, unless your gun is already unaffected

so what gun

[runic meadow]

i guess revolver or columnus auto

[hearty panther]

then yes it is very good

it makes it so you never sway from enemy gunfire

[runic meadow]

cool

thanks buddy

[hearty panther]

cool when u wanna shoot a dood who is shootin u

[runic meadow]

yeah that tends to happen

[hearty panther]

its very rude

[runic meadow]

average american neighborhood

im american

[hearty panther]

youll notice the difference immediately tbh

[runic meadow]

i actually do use it, i think i just forgot what its like without it so

[midnight totem]

Besides laspistols, I don't know what else is suppression immune

Anyway, I find that being suppressed sucks the most on headhunters and revolvers

If I have a iag, or brag, just throw enough lead to suppress them in return

No u

[tall torrent]

helbore, braced guns, plasma, shotgun

[north raptor]

LASPIStOlsa reae af usparofisjrfp u wait wait laspistols are immune to suppression?

[north raptor]

mind blown

[tall torrent]

[wild vortex]

Why is this shit not mentioned anywhere

[tall torrent]

my guide does

[wild vortex]

I mean aside from that

[north raptor]

you cant chadgryn yourself

[last parcel]

he just did

[north raptor]

[tall torrent]

I made veteran guide I think I qualify a little bit

[north raptor]

its the principle of the thing

he who calleth himself chad is chad only to himself

[last parcel]

🙏

[north raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-cat-chad-cat-gif-25535198

thanks for the insight on the suppression tho that was chadworthy

[tall torrent]

[midnight totem]

Btw

Does the accutran and kantrael laspistols have different innate crit?

[tall torrent]

both are +15%

[midnight totem]

Hrm. That's not bad considering

[hearty panther]

does ogryn have suppression immunity

[midnight totem]

No, ogryns have suppression attraction

Actually I think they do have suppression immunity

[runic birch]

lmao

they like getting in the way

[midnight totem]

At least the kickback and rumbled don't get suppressed

I honestly can't tell if the heavy stubbers get suppressed because they do the suppressing

And the rippers, I dont shoot them at far away gunners anyway

[stuck gorge]

ogryns cant get supressed because that would be cowardous, and the ogryn culls cowards.

[runic birch]

Deathsplitter is good on this?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[runic birch]

power = damage?

[midnight totem]

Fire Frenzy, Dum Dum, Deaths pitter are the three dps blessings for an autogun

[runic meadow]

sheesh

[midnight totem]

Of them, I think Dum Dum and Death are better

[stuck gorge]

power is dmg impact and cleave iirc

[tame lodge]

"Fear is for little people"

[runic birch]

oh ok thanks makes a lot more sense aha

it was shredding enemies compared to anythinmg else lol

ammo can be an issue tho

[frank ocean]

lol wut, they’re literally the same blessings, I guess the game really hates the Guardian of the Hateful

[stuck gorge]

L casket

[frank ocean]

POG Surgical 4

[tall torrent]

None of the ogryn weapons can be suppressed so yes

It’s very funny that veteran cares about getting suppressed the most and has to pay a talent point to get immunity while staff psyker & gun ogryn just never have to care about it ever

[pseudo fiber]

Training made it scary you know.

[tall torrent]

Yea I don’t think a veteran soldier who’s survived countless campaigns against every non-Necron faction in 40k would be that terrified of getting shot at given he already tanks a million gunshots on the daily

[runic birch]

i really only care about ogryn psykers scare me

[serene bough]

To be fair if your brain is the size of a peanut and you re given a fully automatic stubber, I don't think you'd give a shit about being shot at

[runic birch]

and zealots are crazy

[stuck gorge]

A zealot who is also a psyker

[runic birch]

too much power

[rigid pilot]

Gun psyker and gun zealot are so sad

They are the only classes that are affected by suppression

[runic birch]

Gun vet and ogryn

[serene bough]

Is gun zealot even a thing

[runic birch]

nope

[rigid pilot]

Might as well just remove it at this point

[runic birch]

ammo stealers

one thing i like about the psykers wont touch ammo

[pseudo fiber]

a little if you use the charge and it just makes you do more damage

[runic birch]

never had one zealot run out of ammo

usually another vet who cant share

[stuck gorge]

Zealot stealing every ammo box so they can get their throwing knives back:

[serene bough]

There are few games where I find ammo to be an issue

[runic birch]

they have those ahaha

[serene bough]

Unless I'm running some rubbish weapon

[runic birch]

autogun chews ammo

still share ammo :{

[serene bough]

Even then, I find a lot of games I play don't struggle to balance ammo

To the extent that everyone is extremely low or out of munitions

Then again I mostly run lasguns so maybe that's why

[runic birch]

i usually chainsword the swarm and autogun sniper everything

[rigid pilot]

Suppression on the enemy side:
Fun, sells the fantasy of dakka, makes up for low accuracy spray and pray type guns, makes flamers more viable vs ranged units

Suppression on the player side: why? Enemy shooters are already 100% accurate lasers, the aimkick from being hit is already enough

[runic birch]

its crazy i miss 20 headshots cause of it

a lot of my perks are just suppression

[north raptor]

bc it's neat in theory

[rigid pilot]

If enemy gunners have are spraying in a cone I can see why suppression

But also if gunners are spraying in a cone it will be alot harder to dodge/sprint

[north raptor]

maybe they were worried thered be no melee loop

[rigid pilot]

But also melee magnetism barely exists on damnation

[serene bough]

My guess is it just for people to engage in melee more

[rigid pilot]

They are punishing mainly zealots though

Who already want to melee

[serene bough]

That or rely on your team to fire while you're being supressed

Why don't psykers deal with suppression

[rigid pilot]

Staves don't get affected by suppression

[north raptor]

they have too much willpower

[serene bough]

Yeah but gun psyker still has to right?

[rigid pilot]

Only gunkers have to yea

So it's another thing that punishes gunker

And zealots that decide to pull out gun

[serene bough]

I don't mind suppression as a mechanic personally

[rigid pilot]

Or melee vet but I just count that as a zealot

[serene bough]

It just adds an extra threat element to gunners and reapers

[cloud knoll]

Getting ass shredded by a firing line of gunners isn't the best
Especially if you turn the corner and they're all lined up ready to shred

Thus panicking

[rigid pilot]

I feel that panic would be more if there's a horde of poxwalkers coming your way

So should they give hordes suppression too

[north raptor]

honestly harvest the maggots from the poxwalkers

probably tastier than corpse starch

less likely to be your grandma

[cloud knoll]

Mmm
Chaos taint sure gives them a lil kick in flavor

[rigid pilot]

Corpse starch is just processed maggots

[serene bough]

Zombies are just lumbering meat walls at the end of the day

[north raptor]

"Corpse-starch is a synthetic food source created from the recycled Human dead of the hive cities"

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-be-like-skull-so-hungry-i-could-gif-11496822

[runic birch]

i love running into a pack of gunners

[cloud knoll]

Just a mild cannibalism
As a treat

[north raptor]

cannibalism is the scariest thing in the world its why the setting is great

[serene bough]

Cannibals are indeed terrifying

[cloud knoll]

Truly

[limpid ore]

nothing wrong with being hungry and getting yourself a treat

[runic birch]

isnt there human farms in 40k just for that

[north raptor]

i bet there is

everything awful is in 40k

except health insurance

which is actually better!

[runic birch]

heresy

[north raptor]

purge the execs

[serene bough]

My understanding of corpse starch is that its effectively recycling humans

[runic birch]

no where is livable in 40k tbh

[north raptor]

the best outcome is being a genestealer tbh

[runic birch]

orc

[north raptor]

you get to live in hope

[runic birch]

they have fun

[serene bough]

As in, you can't feel a city of multibillions without eating other people

Therefore it's a necessity

[north raptor]

you have to be a football hooligan to be an ork

bleh

id rather eat corpse

[runic birch]

either worship a god or die

[north raptor]

just embrace the [REDACTED]

[runic birch]

when i first learnt about 40k it started with gods

[cloud knoll]

Could be worse

Could be on the planet of Birmingham

[north raptor]

did the emperor have a girlfriend

is she in the lore

or boyfriend

[wild vortex]

any tips on how to salvage this for Zealot?

I'd ask in Zealot but that channel is... weird.

[limpid ore]

perks aren't horrible tbh

[north raptor]

didnt he make them with tubes

[minor dagger]

Hey, looking to get this emperordamn long bomb achievement

Any strats?

[north raptor]

who's sensei

ooh

[wild vortex]

do I just leave the perks as is

go for Bromentum + Headtaker

[orchid hemlock]

I HATE VET PENANCES I HATE VET PENANCES I HATE VET PENANCES

[pseudo fiber]

Is it the krak grenade one?

[orchid hemlock]

no that one isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be

this one tho:

[pseudo fiber]

just dump into hordes be a bad teammate

[north raptor]

crouch a lot?

[orchid hemlock]

yes I already do that, but being soo crippled in my movement and forcing myself to waste ammo on trash hordes makes me go:

how will I hit anything if I'm going 2 miles per hour?

so I need to spawn camp to get this penance done?

😔

[pseudo fiber]

no you don't I did it by playing myself

but you can also just stand still and melee. Use a powersword and hit like 20 enemies in one swing you don't even have to dodge with that thing

[cloud knoll]

Power sword is truly a brain turn off weapon once you get powercycler on it I swear

[orchid hemlock]

I understand that I can get it done eventually, but holy shit do I feel soo crippled using it 🧍🏻

that's why I dislike the penance, not the penance itself but because I dislike Marksman Focus on normal games

[cloud knoll]

Marksman Focus just feels incorrect to play
At least with weapons specialist I can get benefits from using both of my weapons

[orchid hemlock]

believe it or not MF is a meta pick on aurics

because it's on the best side of the tree in the 3rd quadrant

[pseudo fiber]

6 seconds of movement is a godsend

[cloud knoll]

Man I wish I liked Executioners Stance

It just feels really... Cruddy on a controller

I've just been using Infiltrate and Voice of Command
Just cast
And murder :)

[orchid hemlock]

i just wish they would also make focus target more dynamic

I wish instead of having to wait for the stacks before you apply it, it stacks as the target is being marked

[pseudo fiber]

That would be... counter intuitive

you go from ping. "Kill that guy" to ping. "Don't kill that guy."

[north raptor]

i think it should just be a stacking damage buff for successive shots or something without moving, not some weird time-based stacking thing

get rid o f the movement restrictions

like to preserve stacks and not immediately cancel them

like DD so you can juggle it

[wild vortex]

wow, the Melkman delivereth!

[orchid hemlock]

no what I mean is that the stacks are applied passively as a debuff for every single time you mark a target

so lets say I have 8 stacks to start off with, I then mark a shotgunner now they take the 8x damage modifier

however I decide to switch the target to a gunner, now the shotgunner still has the 8 stacks but it will be timed out in about 5 seconds or so

the gunner now has 3 stacks, but I decide to put the mark back on the shotgunner, and now the shotgunner's 8 stacks debuff timer is reset

[full nacelle]

Grats! Looking for one of them myself

this is my special sniper build :^)

it works well

speedloader on revolver op

but can I target my teammates?

perfect

[pseudo fiber]

look at a scab gunner and go

https://tenor.com/view/fall-the-lich-lich-king-adventure-time-litch-gif-3630070497349253076

Well I quite like the tox bomber even if it is a dreg bomber

we should get a dreg sniper that's a psyker

[hybrid torrent]

Tox bomber already does this in a somewhat similar fashion. It's kinda scary how a mutie takes one huff of the pox gas and suddenly starts blitzing at you.

[north raptor]

i do like that

[sinful swallow]

Moebian Bannerman sounds cool as hell actually