veteran-class

[midnight totem]

you have to feel like you're wearing nothing at all

[north raptor]

nothing at all

[stuck gorge]

not even your flesh?

[north raptor]

[tall marsh]

[north raptor]

i mean,

[midnight totem]

new revolver for my vet

Yeah. I'm not taking handcannon on purpose

This is an elite shooty boy and specialist revolver, designed to help keep up toughness against gunners

And shotgunners

I figure, handcannon is really needed only for carapace

I already got kraks and a power sword for that

Manic for guaranteed headshot kills on flamers without needing to wait for surgical

Or I can swap manic to unarmored for much easier long range kills on dredge gunners without needing surgical. Hrm.

[midnight totem]

hrm, actually don't like this, since I have to rework my skill tree. Don't wanna rely on demolition teamfor grenades

oh well

Oneshot on dredge gunners is much more important to me than one shot on flamers

[sturdy zephyr]

So i assume you using agilr engagement yeah?

[midnight totem]

yes

[sullen scarab]

Which Chainsword XIIIg should I use on Veteran, Weapon Specialist build? What are the best Perks and Blessings I should be running? I have a general idea but I want to get caught up lol

[midnight totem]

I like the second one

[sullen scarab]

Yeah, I was kind of leaning more towards the second one just so I can kill Maniacs fast

since for Unyielding I end up just shooting them half the time

[elder oriole]

unless the +maniac lets you hit a certain breakpoint they seem identical for the most part

[sullen scarab]

yeah, I might have to play around

I saw a lot of people take Flak/Unarmored, is that better?

or not really for breakpoints

[elder oriole]

i mean chainsword is just for chaff

[sullen scarab]

i guess lol

[minor iron]

how important is cleave targets?

[sullen scarab]

I just can't seem to nab one with Unarmored

[midnight totem]

-uses chainsword for everything- >_>

[elder oriole]

dont get me wrong its not bad at anything

[sullen scarab]

😂

[elder oriole]

just not the best at anything but its good midground for most issues without giving up all your mobility like a power sword would

[sullen scarab]

yeah

[midnight totem]

sometimes you just want to rev it up and shred something while laughing manically, even if it will get you killed

[sullen scarab]

does running Bloodletter on it do work, or nah

[elder oriole]

it does but not worth it

[midnight totem]

my favorite xiig runs bloodletter and a cleave blessing

[elder oriole]

i like the movespeed blessing on rev

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah that one is hilarious lol

[midnight totem]

anyway, I use bloodletter specifically to take down maulers and crushers with more ease

and bonus damage on bosses

[elder oriole]

i mean unless you've got crazy rending from some source it aint doing shit to crushers

[sullen scarab]

I remember the bleeding being hilarious lol

[elder oriole]

maulers sure

[sullen scarab]

So in the end, still aim for Flak/Unarmored overall yeah?

If I keep rolling for more?

[elder oriole]

flak is just perma

[midnight totem]

• carapace or +ogryn is really the only thing you need

[sullen scarab]

yeah flak I know is permanent

[elder oriole]

maybe carapace if it lets you oneshot

[sullen scarab]

hmmm ok

[elder oriole]

depends on your perks as well

[sullen scarab]

high shredder value is required right

[midnight totem]

Sneaky Cat was doing memes testing a xiig build

[sullen scarab]

haha

[elder oriole]

although vet perk setups are pretty solved for the most part

[sullen scarab]

I just want to make sure I don't brick my shit

[midnight totem]

and they did an easy chainsword oneshot

[sullen scarab]

damnn

[elder oriole]

mobility is dump

[sullen scarab]

ok

time to spend all of my money

[elder oriole]

everything else as high as possible

time to grind out aurics

[midnight totem]

I think its one of the good things about this game

most things work, if you build for it

[elder oriole]

except helbore

[sullen scarab]

auric time

[midnight totem]

even shredder autopistol will kill carapace

[elder oriole]

because it takes 3-5 business days to pull it out

[full nacelle]

another fucking falter

I'm going to strangle Hadron

somebody hold me back

[elder oriole]

what you lookin for

surg?

[sullen scarab]

looks like she

flatered the roll

[full nacelle]

surg or onslaught

or anything at this point

that isn't falter

I've rolled over a million credits at this point

[elder oriole]

i mean it's a helbore 1

[full nacelle]

and all I get is falter

[elder oriole]

it'll reach breakpoints without unarmored so its fine

still oneshots gunners anyways

unless you dont have the blessing

in that case you're goobed

[sturdy zephyr]

Next chance are at melk. Its decent time to time

[full nacelle]

nah I literally have gotten nothing but falter

[sturdy zephyr]

Igave up long ago sah!

[elder oriole]

do you not have surgical and WoF?

[full nacelle]

I've rolled maybe 30 of these

nope

falter

[elder oriole]

condolences

[full nacelle]

I have all the falters

and nothing but them

[elder oriole]

i mean

that roll you have is decendt

just hold onto it until you get them although not having both the good blessings is kinda crazy

[midnight totem]

brunt is selling a bolter with 25 unyielding

I know I shouldn't...

[full nacelle]

do eet

nah at this point I need to roll the PERFECT helbore

just to spite her

[sturdy zephyr]

it is a good axe? and are the stat are good?

[full nacelle]

yes, but the mobility means you probably are going to be down a dodge

[midnight totem]

I have no knowledge of tactical axes other then bm and headtaker good

[full nacelle]

switch the specialist to flack and you're set

[tall torrent]

Usable not great

Blessings are good tho, harvest either

[sturdy zephyr]

so definately i cant use the blessing for combat axes ie rashad mk2

[tall torrent]

No, different weapon family

[sturdy zephyr]

sheesh

[elder oriole]

thankfully mk1 is relatively easy to roll

[sturdy zephyr]

melk selling this so thought will be usefull

[elder oriole]

doesn't really need any perks to hit properly

[tall torrent]

[full nacelle]

FUUUUUUU

trade me

please

also I jsut noticed the text in that gif

LMAO

[tall torrent]

I still haven’t rolled a 4/4 perfect CB6

[elder oriole]

no surg 5

[tall torrent]

Elite + carapace, uncanny + executor

Pain

[tall torrent]

Surgical 5 doesn’t even exist yet

[elder oriole]

in my dreams it does

[sturdy zephyr]

hahaha

[somber axle]

ohmygosh what if

crafting rework just adds the final layer

weapons can finally go up to 100% in stats

rank 5 blessings and perks to earn

[oblique totem]

The meta wouldn't survive.

[somber axle]

everyone's best weapons have now been trashed and it's time to start all over into the casino games farming for harder blessings and stats

the chaos would be magical to witness

[real sorrel]

ayyy brunt and hadron blessed me

first try going for a power sword in forever lmao guess they want me to use it

[sturdy zephyr]

Wohoi

I waited everyday melk sell me this

[real sorrel]

i think the trick is just play another class til they pity you enough when you play vet again

[median moss]

I feel like you guys will appreciate these that I got last month.

[real sorrel]

bruh gimme

[stuck gorge]

i do not appreciate them simply because i am not the owner of these

[median moss]

And the best thing: they dropped on the same character on the same day.

[real sorrel]

oof

set for life

[tall torrent]

Swap shred to wrath on CS13g

[median moss]

I'm good. It works great as-is and I'm happier with the reliable crits.

[tall torrent]

13g doesn’t have enough cleave on light atks to activate rampage vs bruisers

[full nacelle]

someone in this discord is a little bit stupid 😳

93 elites to 19

"stop shooting trash mobs"

k

[tall torrent]

I think that guy is in this server

[full nacelle]

yeah he is

I sent him a screenshot of the scoreboard

I'm also playing with two staff psykers and a zealot

don't tell me to not use my gun lol

[tall torrent]

What gun were u using anyway

[median moss]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-tf2engineer-use-a-gun-and-if-that-dont-work-gif-17911768

[full nacelle]

Graia Braced

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

Yea that’s basically the “shoot forever” gun

[full nacelle]

exactly

[tall torrent]

I wish braced autoguns had better reliable range

[full nacelle]

the range actually isn't that bad if you're good with your trigger discipline

not great by any means

but you can take out snipers as long as they're not across the entire map

[tall torrent]

Got a godroll mk7 shovel today

Maybe I can finally play a proper MG1a build

[full nacelle]

ayyyyyyyyy

congrats

mk7 is goated

[tall torrent]

My issue has always been that

If I run MG1a and want to make it work

[full nacelle]

another falter

[tall torrent]

It just costs 2 more points than if I run smth like Helbore/plasma

[full nacelle]

lets goooooo

[minor iron]

which blessing to change to pc4? if bm was 4 it would be a no brainer but im not certain

[tall torrent]

Because I have to spec into rending strikes + suppression immunity

[full nacelle]

sunder

[tall torrent]

BM

[minor iron]

lol

[full nacelle]

Oh.

[tall torrent]

Sunder is worth it

[full nacelle]

is it though?

over BM?

[tall torrent]

Stagger 4 maulers on empowered light

[minor iron]

this would be paired with a plasma i should sayu

[tall torrent]

You tell me

[full nacelle]

welp I'll take your word for it

everyone else I've run into has said BM

[minor iron]

and the bad perk should go to what? carapace or unyield?

[full nacelle]

but I don't have a good power sword myself so

[tall torrent]

BM gives stupid horde clear
Sunder trivializes elites

[tall torrent]

Elite

[minor iron]

that makes more sense

[tall torrent]

Sunder gives ur empowered atks 46.8 cleave

U can actually hit 5 maulers

[minor iron]

issue is that my sword here has low cleave targets

[tall torrent]

Unless that’s capped somehow

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t matter

[minor iron]

well, its not awful but im not sure how important that is on a ps

[tall torrent]

Empowered attacks have separate cleave profile

That’s not modified by “cleave target” stat roll

[minor iron]

otherwise i feel like this is a pretty good stat distribution, definitely wanted high mobility on this thing

[midnight totem]

thats a nice power sword

[minor iron]

wish it rolled with 25 flak but i guess its better than not having flak at all 😭

[midnight totem]

replacing bm or sunder with power cycler both work

flak is kinda useless, but its better to have it then anything else I suppose

[somber axle]

When you say hit 5 maulers is that good damage to all the maulers?

[full nacelle]

oh my god finally

[somber axle]

How does the cleave damage falloff work with it?

[full nacelle]

what perks should I get?

[midnight totem]

oh nice, finally hadron took pity on you huh

[full nacelle]

this is literally

the first time I've rolled one

that didn't have Falter

LMAO

and it has both the blessings I need

🙏

[somber axle]

At last free of Falter

Literally useless blessing

[tall torrent]

No, but u stagger lock all of them

[full nacelle]

thank god man, I was losing it lol

[tall torrent]

It’s like smiting 5 maulers at the same time and not do completely horrible dmg

[somber axle]

Even the stagger is still very useful yeah

I was just curious if it was still hurting them all too

[full nacelle]

does anyone know what perks are best for helbore mk1?

[sleek garden]

Add stamina or block resistance then

[tall torrent]

It’s not gonna kill them that fast

[tall torrent]

Elite + maniac

[sleek garden]

it's a weapon that deals in hordes

[full nacelle]

preciate ya ❤️

[tall torrent]

Ur not gonna believe this but elite + maniac is a recurring theme for a lot of weapons

[somber axle]

I don't know the breakpoints for the Mk I anywhere near as well as the Mk II or Mk III but the old guide recommends Flak/Elite/Maniac. I'd also recommend Carapace for making it funnier on Crusher killing

None of those seem required for important breakpoints

But +Carapace can get you down to 2-3 shots per Crusher kill

[full nacelle]

Gotcha! Yeah from what I've been hearing it's more about the blessings

[tall torrent]

Well, perks do matter

[somber axle]

I'd recommend testing it in the Psykanium a bit

See where you might want a bump in damage

If you're just shy of 1HKO on Flamers then Maniac would be important

[sleek garden]

Unironically with a helbore I'd do sprint efficiency or extra stamina as one perk

It's not a very mobile weapon and it's not one you can just swap to on a whim

[tall torrent]

Yk u can bayonet charge for extra move speed right

[somber axle]

If you can comfortably get 1HKOs on specials/elite headshots without crits then you could probably go Carapace + Elite and demolish Crushers ezpz

[sleek garden]

Congratulations you're running at the speed of walking with a catachan sword

[tall torrent]

Need maniac

[somber axle]

What breakpoint does that help with?

[tall torrent]

It’s nowhere as exaggerated as you’re describing it lol

[somber axle]

I know it isn't Flamer like the Mk II

[sleek garden]

I know

[somber axle]

Is it for less shots on Muties?

[sleek garden]

But you lose stamina fast is what I am trying to say

[tall torrent]

Both flamers
U need maniac for non-crit 1 tap
Without exe stance

[somber axle]

I must experiment

I rush to the Psykanium with my Mk I

[tall torrent]

I don’t rly run exe stance on Helbore

Not a fan of how exe stance is actually the worst ranged class ability in the game

[somber axle]

Mk II for sure needs Maniac for 1HKO on Flamers

but idk if the Mk I needs it too

I must see the breakpoint

[tall torrent]

I’d take SG over exe 10/10 times

[somber axle]

I must feel the Flamer heads pop

[full nacelle]

I'm running Helbore for my smokes/exe stance build

time to throw my games

[somber axle]

Weirdly enough

Dreg Flamer does not require maniac for 1HKO

but the Scab Flamer does

OH WAIT DERP

hold on I was using my Marksman's Focus set up that's why

lemme remove that and test again

Yeah definitely need Maniac on the Helbore Mk I for both Flamer 1HKO headshots on non-crits

Can comfortably 1HKO both Dreg Gunners and Scab Gunners so no need for Unarmoured

[full nacelle]

Perfect

I don't know what to do with myself now

I hope I don't hate this gun

is there a way to set custom keys for each gun/loadout?

hitting middle mouse for melee feels off

[midnight totem]

nope

get used to bayoneting!

[full nacelle]

sheeeee

[somber axle]

I set F for my special action but I've done a lot of MMORPG raiding so using F is natural to me

ALSO

[midnight totem]

I should bind a seperate button for jump

what button should I use

[somber axle]

I tested breakpoints of the Helbore Mk I using Marksman's Focus and you literally need max stacks to be able to 1HKO both Flamers without a crit on headshots

Without +Maniac perk

[sturdy zephyr]

Darktide has damage falloff for long range?with revolver

[radiant chasm]

all guns do iirc

[fossil basalt]

Yeah, recon has an inverse one

[radiant chasm]

revolver is one of the less fall off ones

[radiant chasm]

they removed that

[last parcel]

f7

[somber axle]

Also extra funny thing I discovered

[radiant chasm]

a long time ago

[fossil basalt]

When?

[somber axle]

5 stacks of Focus Target do not let you 1HKO Flamers on a Mk I Helbore without +Maniac perk

[radiant chasm]

inverse fall off stopped being a thing in like

i don't remember what patch

yea, you can check the stats, near>far now

[last parcel]

where eeeeeeever you are

[radiant chasm]

your flak ADM doesn't fall off tho

really wish we had an up to date wiki with patch history

[tall torrent]

It’s just ILG, HB and Boltgun now

[radiant chasm]

yea i knew it was gone for recons, wasn't sure about what else

anyways, i'd rather they just have no fall off instead of inverse fall off and balance around that

you kinda need damage up close and personal sometimes

[sleek garden]

It still is for lasguns

[radiant chasm]

Inflas and Helbores

[tall torrent]

If ILGs didn’t have abysmal flak dmg, and veteran had baseline suppression immunity, it’ll be much better

MG12 can use more on top of that

[sleek garden]

I use executor stance and my infantry lasgun one/two shots people I want dead with it

[somber axle]

Oh btw I was testing the bayonet strike in the Psykanium and Desperado does seem to increase damage but so far I've not noticed any breakpoints that Desperado lets it hit that it couldn't already do

[tall torrent]

Usually a 2 shot headshot

Exe stance is supposed to make 1a and 12 one tap enemies

But exe stance is also like the worst ranged ability in the game, it’s sad

[sleek garden]

I play veteran with the lasgun and focus enemy shooters

For that it works really well

Yes I know I could use a knife and just slide dodge at people but I want to shoot them

Also my lasgun crits a good amount of the time

[somber axle]

Exe Stance has some funny value with Boltgun

Reducing sway, increasing damage and increasing impact

[hollow ibex]

wonder if it's just flat out the worst 🤔

[somber axle]

So you can just hip-fire the 2 shot burst with the Boltgun into a Bulwark shield and stagger them

[tall torrent]

Prob is

[hollow ibex]

feels like it's a contender tbh

[sleek garden]

Why is it bad

[hollow ibex]

a very strong one

[somber axle]

If you don't use Exe Stance you need 4-6 shots on a Boltgun depending on your Collateral stat and Pinning Fire stacks

[tall torrent]

I’d take SG and PBB over exe any day of the week

[somber axle]

Assuming no Pinning Fire stacks and no Executioner's Stance you'll never want to shoot into a Bulwark shield with a Boltgun

[sleek garden]

I'm not sure what sh and pbb stand for

[somber axle]

Also!

Executioner's Stance swaps to ranged

[tall torrent]

Scrier’s gaze (psyker) and point-blank barrage (ogryn)

[hollow ibex]

the bonust damage is aight, but it's basically a worse scriers gaze in basically every way possible

[somber axle]

erasing the long weapon swap time on the Boltgun

Boltgun is one of the few weapons that benefit IMMENSELY from Executioner's Stance even in the current iteration that doesn't have instant full reload on use

[sleek garden]

This is veteran not psyker though

[somber axle]

for most weapons it's pretty bad though

[hollow ibex]

we're comparing across all ults available

[sleek garden]

Why

[hollow ibex]

even within vet, exec is dogshit compared to voc or infil

[hollow ibex]

to highlight how shit it is

it's not even worth comparing it to infil or voc

[sleek garden]

who would have guessed everyone loves the abilities that give you back full toughness and sets the game to easy

[somber axle]

Executioner's Stance is pretty good just not with any of the current meta weapons. It's not going to help you on Zarona, Plasma or Columnus Infantry Autogun to any meaningful effect

You're already hitting the breakpoints you want without it

The extra damage is meaningless

The instant weapon swap on ability use can help slower weapons like Boltgun, Helbores, etc.

[hollow ibex]

activating exec stance should give you a free reload, and the refresh modifier should be built in

[somber axle]

because swapping to ranged from melee on them is painful

[sleek garden]

It used to before the skill tree update

[tall torrent]

Sharpshooter veteran has prob the worst toughness regen (need 2 toughness regen talents to rly feel good and that’s 2 extra points in starter)
Exe has the worst pathing in the talent tree with 2 not-so-great pathing nodes in front of it
Exe has extra point tax with refresh + shooter/ogryn highlight
Exe turns off into CD the moment u switch off ranged weapon
Exe doesn’t have built-in TDR on top of sharpshooter having subpar toughness regen

Yea

[hollow ibex]

yeah hoping it'll come back

or maybe i don't

[somber axle]

Though you could also argue that using Voice of Command would let you just shove everything away from you and buy you time to let the weapon swap animation play out normally even as slow as it is on Helbore and Boltgun and still have more benefit from it vs Exe Stance

[hollow ibex]

because i don't play exec stance anyway

[somber axle]

They should really just bake in the 5 sec refresh node into the talent by default tbh

Bring back instant full reload on ability use too

[gilded wraith]

Nice synergy with Pinning Fire.

[sleek garden]

Like I said I use it to shoot at people with no interruptions

[somber axle]

Both of those combined still wouldn't be enough to get people to swap off of VoC or Infiltrate but it'd close the gap somewhat

[somber axle]

DO YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING FUNNY?!

[sleek garden]

Highlighting all the little shooters and picking them off with infantry lasguns because otherwise they just chew up the ogryn and spit them out

[somber axle]

Through the magic of CLOWN SCIENCE I discovered that it is still TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to stagger a Bulwark shield using only 1 shot from the Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Also infantry Lasguns can’t cleave through teammates

It’s just a bad experience

Teammates are 2 mass
Most guns are 1.5 cleave

[somber axle]

The Helbores and the Recon Mk VIIa have cleave to make them both more comfy for firing through the Ogryn team mate that keeps walking into you

[sleek garden]

That is a thing yea

[last parcel]

another fat dub for recon gang

[sleek garden]

But in places like throneside and hourglass it really works

[tall torrent]

It’s just a bad experience, you get punished by your own team for using ur ability

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-bullets-ai-niid-mor-boolets-booolets-boolets-gif-1193035226529952415

[white minnow]

not dropping on swap would be good nuff for me

since exe's stance is primarily a QoL ult and gives pretty good quality of life

[somber axle]

BEHOLD! The power of breaking a Bulwark shield in 1 shot

[white minnow]

it feels pretty good with brautos since you'll be having those guns out pretty much all the time

[somber axle]

This is not feasible for real matches LMFAO

[tall torrent]

I also don’t rly get why braced autoguns have only 2 dodges

[somber axle]

you literally need max Pinning Fire stacks, Collateral stat at or near 80%, Executioner's Stance AND Combat Stim

[white minnow]

shrimply too heavy

[somber axle]

it's possible but only if you can align the stars

[gilded wraith]

Will frag grenade still prime Pinning?

[white minnow]

at least their inefficient dodges don't start out too bad

so it's fine in the end

[somber axle]

it does not as far as my testing in Psykanium shows

[white minnow]

and they are one of the guns with above average stagger

[somber axle]

you have to stagger enemies specifically with your shots

[gilded wraith]

Unfortunate. Turn your Clown Wizardry to a all slug agripinaa build... for science!

[sleek garden]

I played voice of command a lot for the penance

I like using it to revive teammates

[iron marten]

The penance grind opened my eyes to smoke

[hollow ibex]

did you really make a meme about this lol

honestly what they did to bolter is kinda sad

[hallow parrot]

Hot take: bolter was always mid

But this is 40k and it feels dope to shoot

It's a great gun for all the 2 seconds you'll spend not reloading it

[white minnow]

out of curiosity, did you play before patch 13
because remember that not only was the bolter good, it was also that many other guns were dogshit

[somber axle]

LMFAO

still good

and still funny the Boltgun is so silly compared to the Agripina Shotgun

[hallow parrot]

I played pretty consistently from release and for a few months

I get the appeal of the bolter but I find it a gun that excels in certain situations to the detriment of flexibility

[unreal bone]

Wait

I've been away

did they nerf bolter more

[hallow parrot]

It's like saying an elephant gun is a good hunting weapon, i mean it is, but

[last parcel]

bulwarks are harder to stagger in general

[unreal bone]

As an Accantran main I get all rights to bitch about something not performing up to standard

[unreal bone]

That's it bolter players fitting over that?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779070957830406150/826008965519376405/image0.gif

[hollow ibex]

I mean it is kinda sad that bolter needs like four shots to open bulwarks now

[tall torrent]

And survivalist nerf

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-dozens-of-us-david-cross-speech-gif-3545958

Boltgun is just fun tbh

Sometimes I like using Boltgun because it feels so good

The sound design, the visual design, the power

All so, so fun

And it doesn't feel like I'm turning the game into easy mode like Plasma

The long swap speed, long reload and high recoil feel like fun things to play around

[full nacelle]

Does anyone happen to know how much damage I need on a Mk6 power sword?

[somber axle]

Like the damage stat?

[full nacelle]

yeee

[somber axle]

For what breakpoint specifically?

Or do you just mean as a general stat percentage to aim for?

[full nacelle]

both I guess lol

the one I have has good stats except a 64% in damage

wondering if that's bad enough to worry

[somber axle]

Go into Psykanium and test if you can do charge -> push attack -> 2 light swings on a Crusher

[hollow ibex]

64 is pretty bad

[full nacelle]

yes

[hollow ibex]

Can also look at the breakpoint calculator I guess

[full nacelle]

yeah... if I'm hitting the breakpoints I don't care too much

all the other stats are great

[hollow ibex]

Or use that loadout testing mod in the psyk

[full nacelle]

yeah looks like I hit most breakpoints fine

could hit one more with maniac so I'm going unyielding/maniac

now I just have to pray for power cycler 4

[violet prairie]

I have finally achieved getting make every shot count praisethe God emperor!

[midnight totem]

Successfully built a chainsword that can rev down crushers

Carapace on the weapon and Bring it down, and elite superiority

Get a crit, or focus target

[orchid hemlock]

I FNLY DID IT

[somber axle]

Congrats!

Welcome to the COOL helmet club

[midnight totem]

Huzzah!

You should know that wearing a face covering helmet makes you 100x more likely to die

That's just 40k rules

[sturdy zephyr]

Some random player " bolt gun hero"

[orchid hemlock]

which cosmetic yall think is better?

changes are pants and backpack

[sturdy zephyr]

IDK its mean good or just you know just sarcastic

[midnight totem]

I personally prefer the black pants instead of the striped ones to go with that chestpiece

[somber axle]

The boom of every shot is just satisfying in ways I cannot describe

[midnight totem]

Both backpacks look good though

If only the damage matched

Boltguns should get like, flamer's showstopper by default

Elites explode when they die by bolter

[sturdy zephyr]

It is, but just 15mag dump so little.

[orchid hemlock]

this outfit goes hard tho 😤

this is also nice

[tall torrent]

Now go for Moebian 6th

[orchid hemlock]

done

[tall torrent]

That’s not Moebian 6th tho

[neat musk]

I wanna get the krieg boy outfit but I don't wanna spend money ;(

this sucks

[orchid hemlock]

tough crowd 😔

[dapper vessel]

thats the deluxe set

[woeful ibex]

anyone got the guide for Bolter Builds?

[somber axle]

Just means you have to make every shot count

And since the Boltgun can cleave through targets very effectively you can turn entire lines of Gunners/Shotgunners into red mist

[strange epoch]

how is this

[manic cloak]

Using the weapon for cleave is super ineffective in higher difficulties with ammo management currently.

Being brutally honest, right now the Bolter is a lesser version of the Plasma Gun, and also requires 1-2 talent investment via Longshot + Volley Adept if you want to overcome the crippling reload.

Best in slot blessings are Pinning Fire + Surgical. All the stats are super relevant, with Mobility being the closest dump stat.

I currently run this setup with the Rashad and due to the talent investment it goes two ways - fast reload, no Weapons Specialist, slower reload with Weapon Specialist.

At the end of the day I find it far more fun picking out elites and specialists with this build in Damnation Aurics, to include Maelstrom. However, it really shows how completely ridiculous the Plasma Gun is at the moment. If the Plasma is S-Tier, I'd place the Bolter at B-Tier. Same purpose, completely outdone by the better weapon.

Saying that, it is my most played build. I've min/maxed the hell out of it to try to get the most from it, and is where I always come back to when I want to have fun.

[dapper vessel]

get PC 4, good luck on that. Rampage, Brutal momentum is better blessing over Slaught. Perks are kind of whatever

[north raptor]

its perfectly usable with PC3 tho

[gilded rock]

I can't believe I just had a moment in a match where I consciously thought "man I wish I had a recon rn"

[strange epoch]

imma try it and see if it feels aight

[north raptor]

it will

its the power sword

careful of stamina and dodges you dont have many

[manic cloak]

Weapon Specialist fixes this issue right up.

[tall torrent]

wish they did helmet + mask combo

[plush oracle]

They will I'm sure

Because they said they will add more tiers

[north raptor]

id be interested seeing your whole bolter build bc im prejudiced against the plasma lava lamp

[iron marten]

still miffed that I missed the steel legion set

twice

gonna insta buy it when it comes back

[manic cloak]

Just jumped in an Auric. Give me a few and I'll post it up

[grand perch]

i think something broke in my brain, cause i suddenly find myself enjoying the brautoguns

[sturdy zephyr]

Share with us \ me

I tried before but maybe wrong talent so i gave up

[somber axle]

I ran a High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet Auric Damnation just now with Boltgun and was totally fine tbh. No staff Psykers. Ogryn, Zealot and another Vet running Plasma. I ran out of ammo only once and the rest of the run was totally fine. It can kinda stomp through things pretty effectively. Plasma must pause every few shots to vent, Boltgun can keep up firing single shots far longer, but the tradeoff is doing the long reload more often. Plasma's reload is incredibly long too, you just don't feel it so often because of the massive clip size. It's perfectly serviceable. Plasma IS better, but Boltgun is still viable for endgame content at the highest difficulty

Plus the alternate firing modes with Boltgun make it really fun

Sometimes you aim down sights and fire 1 shot at a time, sometimes you hip fire burst 2 shots into something, sometimes you just hold down left click and unload the whole mag into the back of a Burgle, the head of a Plogryn or the face of a Chaos Spawn and evaporate their health

No one really uses the charge shot on Plasma so it's always spamming mouse 1 all the time

There's not really any variation, no way to learn the fun ways of alternate firing modes because Plasma's alternate fire is literally do not use it at all in current meta

Ends up kinda boring imo

They should really just buff the charged shot into relevancy again or nerf the uncharged shots to make charged shots worth considering

even if it was only a change to ammo consumed like making charged shots only cost 3 ammo exactly the same as uncharged shots

that would at least mean it's objectively more ammo efficient to kill a Crusher with 1 charged shot vs 3 uncharged shots

[terse idol]

I still do think the boltgun although yes, being more fun isss just weaker for no good reason, mainly bulwarks getting a buff

But uh

The boltgun can't stagger it??

But the plasma can just penetrate bulwark shields...

It's very strange balance decisions

[manic cloak]

Bolter Build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c223dbb-48f2-4d16-b9bf-9d321bf4d7bf/boltgun-auric-ready

[dreamy spade]

🤮🤮

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[limpid ore]

pray very hard and we may yet see a plasma nerf

[somber axle]

I don't play with Plasma because it's boring LMFAO

not copium, I'll use literally any other weapon other than CIAG or Plasma

it's just a really boring gun

objectively one of the best guns in the game

literally snoozeville

[stoic basalt]

really wish the previous set of penance pants for the Vet didnt look like crappy sweats

[somber axle]

all guns are viable for Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet if you're good enough

if you can't make it work

it's not the gun

[stoic basalt]

also wish that new Vet Chest piece that is like a trench coat with some seals wasnt missing its left hand glove

[woeful ibex]

I wish we get Full helmets

they got datamined

[somber axle]

could be coming with the crafting rework maybe?

additional penances and new rewards to earn?

[woeful ibex]

maybe

[somber axle]

that's actual copium though

I'm not sure they'd drop more penances and the proper helmets so soon

[stoic basalt]

oh that'd be cool too

well more to buy from that one guy wouldnt be that bad to add, not the real money vendor the guy that sells for dockets

Atonement unit MV~1

oh more weapon skins for him too, something other than blue or red, cool camo, maybe shiny ones

[grand perch]

i should mention i did not enjoy them for 1300hrs of playtime, which is why its odd they finally clicked

started using them on my build for vent purge/lights out/pox missions, where i go for exec stance + enhanced target priority. smokes are really useful to get enemies to come into bullet hose range

i might drop the extra grenade from grenadier to free up 2 points for superioprity complex and bring it down

[north raptor]

thx!

[dreamy spade]

Is there a limit to gold toughness

I can get to 150 on my own

[iron marten]

nope

[sturdy zephyr]

Thank you

So if 4 vet voc you get +200?

[agile forge]

Higher even

With a bit of CDR you can spam those shouts

[dreamy spade]

600 is possible

[untold hull]

that temp is always temporary though, so it's not like you can keep them forever

[white minnow]

which is why my 3 other teammates should get to grabbing yellow stims for me

[iron marten]

you're either at +100 overtoughness 100% of the time or you're throwing

[grand perch]

is it okay to tell people to go voc themselves?

[warm idol]

it's crazy how fatshark keeps dropping dogshit meme cosmetics or recolors that no one wants

instead of like

the datamined stuff that everyone is hyped for

that actually looks like armor

[frank ocean]

What stats are important for the Kantrael MG la lasgun?

[dire olive]

Mobility

Make sure to slap on weakspot and crit dmg too

and infernus

[agile forge]

Think stuff like damage and stopping power, not mobility or stability so much

can't remember the other stat

Check the pinned guide for weapon builds

[rocky jacinth]

most important stat for lasguns right now is FTH

pray that they get a buff in the next update

[frank ocean]

FTH?

[rocky jacinth]

faith

it's a joke

[frank ocean]

lol

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/more-bullets-i-need-more-bullets-samf-gif-2461390064460807905

[serene bough]

Stopping power and damage

The other three (ammo, mobility, stability) aren't as important

Just keep mobility above 51% so you get an extra dodge

[rocky jacinth]

they should make max mobility take moving spread to 0

[serene bough]

They just need a bit more flak damage and the mk12 needs to reach 1hko breakpoints without exe stance

[agile forge]

Does anybody have any insights on grenadier veteran?

Which weapons work best for it? Also I seem to have enough points to reach focus target without any of its modifiers, should I take it and have I missed something?

[earnest lodge]

Shredder grenades gud

[agile forge]

I will link what I'm working on

[serene bough]

Anything works

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c22d009-ed7b-4926-9178-52967fe7ebd9 this is what I currently have

[rocky jacinth]

having a nice armor popper is great for a grenadier build, knife, shovel etc.

or a gun that does the same

[agile forge]

Plasma would work too I guess but idk if I want to go plasma again

[sinful swallow]

brunt

[agile forge]

PS6 always works ofc

I was between that and my mark 7 shovel for it

mark 7 kills crushers better and tbh my grenades should be dealing with hordes more

maybe another gun that's got strong anti elite focus and omg I'm gonna just use plasma aren't I

ok shovel plasma so I'm not that generic at least

[sinful swallow]

GOD

[agile forge]

any ideas where to put that final point? Just take basic focus target?

[agile forge]

you know, I'd be tempted to just take maniac and power cycler on that and accept the slaughterer

[rocky jacinth]

having focus target is better than not having focus target

ok why does everybody insist on putting maniac on psword

[sinful swallow]

was really hoping to get either brutal or sunder as one of the perks

[rocky jacinth]

a white power sword 1 shots mutants and staggers ragers already

[earnest lodge]

Twinned blast is a scam. You get a grenade for every 5 grenades spent. And you don't even have control over throwing it or not.

[tiny summit]

Nah twinned blast fun

[frank ocean]

It’s fun, I just found I can’t rely on it, especially since the 2nd grenade doensnt go where the first does, and since I tend to use Krak it means it misses the thing I’m aiming at

But i can see shredder it being better for

[terse idol]

I mean just dint use krak on twin blast

Yuhh

[hybrid token]

oh yeah thats the look

[serene bough]

Now you just need a recon buff so you're not suffering

[uncut pebble]

Is it just me or are helbore lasguns just not worth using? I can drop a target faster with literally anything else, whether by volume of fire, speed of shot, or damage of shot.

I think they look really cool but I do not see a purpose for them.

Or are they just very niche for certain blessings that I do not have?

[unique orchid]

they may have been powercrept a little by the other lasgun buffs

mostly theyre just "can you click heads" or "are you cosplaying a krieger"

[warm idol]

helbores have the advantage of being able to deal with just about any enemy type

since charged shots go through carapace

[sturdy zephyr]

I had a random game before,that guy using helbore n was crouching all the way.

[warm idol]

against non carapace infantry las guns are just plain better tbh

but helbores are fun to use

plus bayonet

[uncut pebble]

Well, if thats the case, I could just run plasma or a revolver instead.

[warm idol]

I mean you can just run plasma and decimate everything

but other options are fun

[unique orchid]

for some, the release LClick to fire makes me wanna put the barrel to the roof of my mouth

[uncut pebble]

The question is, do I want to use plasma?

The answer is no.

[unique orchid]

just run kraks

[warm idol]

most things in the game are perfectly viable and don't really feel much weaker than the best options

outside of stuff like accatrans

god they need a buff

[uncut pebble]

I run kraks on all my builds. I just do not see a reason or purpose for the helbore lasguns to exist.

Perhaps they have, in fact, just been powercrept.

Hopefully fatshark can rectify that.

[unique orchid]

theyre redundant if you have kraks for certain

if you have frags to make up for the helbore's lack of CC on the other hand...

[uncut pebble]

Even moreso because I use a power sword.

[warm idol]

fullauto has an option to make it automatically release at full charge

[sturdy zephyr]

Or can we hav beam laser weapon?charge and beam awat

Away*

[rocky jacinth]

maybe if we get an old tech expansion

[uncut pebble]

Methinks helbores just need a significant precision damage buff.

[warm idol]

by that logic what's the purpose of anything that isn't a plasma gun, infantry las, revolver or ciag

[uncut pebble]

I cannot understand why a revolver can 1tap a scab gunner but a helbore cannot.

[unique orchid]

Penetration (innate damage versus flak)

[uncut pebble]

Grenades regenerate. Ammo does not.

[warm idol]

not everything needs to be S tier and excel at every area of the game

[elder fiber]

Helbores also got bayonet and functionally infinite ammo, maybe if/when surgical gets gutted they can get looked at

[warm idol]

as long as it's viable and works well

[untold mulch]

because there is a western fanboy on the design team

[warm idol]

there's nothing wrong with it

[unique orchid]

also lasers have worse flak/cara damage but higher base, to simulate how lasguns work in the lore

[uncut pebble]

I'm not saying everything has to be some sort of god tier weapon. I'm saying every option should be viable and helbores just... arent.

[rocky jacinth]

I'd like to see lasguns at least get a buff to viability

[uncut pebble]

Any other option does better in all fields.

[warm idol]

helbores are viable what are you on about

[uncut pebble]

I'd even say recon lasguns fit the bill for that, too.

[warm idol]

they are perfectly viable and usable weapon

[elder fiber]

Thats not what viable means

[unique orchid]

can we get a solid definition of "Viable" for the court

[rocky jacinth]

yeah helbores are, infantry las and recon las are just plain shit

pistols are fine too I guess

[warm idol]

either your helbore is a terrible roll or skill issue idk

calling it not viable is just

lol

[sturdy zephyr]

I find the laspistol much more fun to use

[elder fiber]

Mk2 laspistol is v good, mkx... isn't but I still like it and clear with it

[warm idol]

out of the 3 i'd only say recon las are plain shit

infantry las aren't bad

[unique orchid]

i love the M1A with a crit build it's very funny

[elder fiber]

Infantry las got powercreeped

[uncut pebble]

It's not. Other lasguns of any type and any form of kinetic gun outperform them in several aspects.

[rocky jacinth]

I don't see any situation where they're not worse than some autogun

Other than looking cool and 40k chic

[unique orchid]

mister fore, can you define Viable for the sake of the argument

[warm idol]

but i'm not comparing them to other options im judging them purely on how they perform on their own

[uncut pebble]

Ease of usage in comparison to every other type of weapon, whether by volume of fire, damage, or speed.

[elder fiber]

Part of that is an autogun problem tbf, but mk12 lasrifle def feels stinky to use now esp if not on vet

[unique orchid]

the Helbore by it's nature is a difficult, precision weapon designed to pop specials

so i suppose i can see why you find it ranking poorly

[warm idol]

that's comparing to other options not how viable it is

[rocky jacinth]

they don't feel too great on their own either, there's no piercing, poor suppression, flak and carapace damage is woeful and the low fire rate + horrid hipfire spread makes them really, really bad at the mobile playstyle the game favors

[warm idol]

most weapons in the game pale compared to ciag or plasma

[elder fiber]

Or revolver

[warm idol]

feels fine to me

ymmv ig

I do well with it and only enemy I don't use it against are crushers

but ofc there's solutions to that too

[rocky jacinth]

i guess they're fine up to normal damn but in mael i don't see any purpose

[warm idol]

I use them in auric mael

and I do fine with em

first time I see anyone calling infantry lasguns bad

they are at worst

[somber axle]

Helbores are probably one of the strongest guns in the game right now tbh. I'd personally rank the Mk II Helbore up there with Plasma, Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun but it's a gun that requires a very specific set of blessings and perks along with 3 of its stats very high to bring it up into that power status. Plus it's a Helbore so most people are going to struggle with shooting it to begin with. A lot of players just don't do well and/or like the charge mechanic on shots. And that sights are also tricky to learn. But it's a skill issue because it can put down anything and everything really, really fast and has a bayonet to 1 tap hounds, stagger stunlock Ragers to death and bayonet muties in the back quick too

[warm idol]

mid

[unique orchid]

i represent the Casual player, my comfort zone is Malice and Heresy, Helbores are pretty based but not my favorite tbh

[warm idol]

how come mk2?

[somber axle]

Easier for the average Vet to play a weapon with instant swap speed and easier spammy shots like Plasma and Revolver

[warm idol]

I found that mk1 feels overall the best

mk3 has great irons but man is the bayonet attack dogshit

[rocky jacinth]

nah man i'm not shit talking helbores, they're fine

[warm idol]

wish one of the skins had the mk3 irons

[rocky jacinth]

i just don't use them much since i'm not a fan of holding the trigger down to charge

[somber axle]

In my opinion it's the strongest of the Helbores once you get Surgical IV, Weight of Fire IV, +Maniac and +Unarmoured. You hit all your necessary breakpoints and can fire faster than a Kantrael Mk XII Infantry Lasgun with speed that feels on par with a Kantrael Mg1a while being able to penetrate Flak and Carapace effectively and having the good bayonet thrust to top it off. I dislike the Mk III for the bayonet swing but it's still funny using the Mk III for 1HKO Crusher kill time

You also need Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate all 70%+ or the Mk I is going to outpace it

It's basically the Rashad Axe of guns but when you get the perfect roll it leaves other things in the dust

[warm idol]

weight of fire?

is that a new perk

[somber axle]

Yeah it's a blessing that increases charge rate when firing constantly

[warm idol]

that's onslaught

did they change the name?

[rocky jacinth]

gimme a build my dude, i haven't used helbores since the talent update and i want to give this a go

[somber axle]

No they renamed Onslaught

[warm idol]

huh

weird

[somber axle]

Onslaught is now a Veteran talent that increases brittleness on target per hit

[warm idol]

ah

[somber axle]

The old Onslaught blessing for Helbores was renamed to Weight of Fire to remove the confusion

[warm idol]

honestly weight of fire would fit better with a talent that increases brittleness

[somber axle]

One moment while I hop in game but tbh I've seen someone here do a Helbore melee only build on Auric Damnation LMFAO

[elder fiber]

I hope they swap the two so the blessing becomes onslaught and talent becomes weight of fire

Just for fun

[somber axle]

They did move speed aura and smokes

absolutely insane dude

bayonet charge forever

[hearty panther]

i mean

i dont have any recorded footage but

thats essentially been my entire week

its how im doing this stupid marksman focus penance

[somber axle]

Bayonet only Krieg charge into Atoma

[hearty panther]

its more than viable to say the least

[somber axle]

Bayonet is just that good

even after the nerf making it so no more brutal momentum on Helbores

[midnight totem]

Put a bayonet on my power sword

[somber axle]

it's just such a strong melee tool

[serene bough]

Helbores are too slow

[wraith flare]

Do the enemies actually need to be decapitated for the mission

[serene bough]

Takes forever to equip

[hearty panther]

if the bayonet was an actual weapon it would be one of the fastest in the game

it too has a charged heavy speed boost

[serene bough]

@last parcel

[last parcel]

[hearty panther]

the trick is to never unequip it

[serene bough]

Revert the nerfs where bromentum worked

[midnight totem]

I have to admit. Doesn't Hestia look a little... red in the event?

[elder fiber]

Its an allergic reaction to all the airborne stimms on the ship

Dw about it

[somber axle]

I made a funny "meta" Helbore talent tree

I don't use this

But if I recommend Executioner's Stance people will tell me I'm insane LMFAO

so I made a version with Voice of Command instead

Bayonet strikes do activate Agile Engagement

So you can freely bayonet and shoot to get the 25% damage in either direction during fights

this build leaves you with 3 points left over

you can go into Focus Target if you want or fall into Marksman's Focus if you prefer that

[hollow ibex]

why agile engagement on HBs 🤔

[somber axle]

If you drop Bring It Down, the +25 Toughness node above it, and the Stam Regen Boost node under Superiority Complex it gives you enough points to crawl down the right side of the tree and grab Weapon Specialist instead

[somber axle]

For funny shoot to boost bayonet damage and bayonet stab to boost shoot damage

[hollow ibex]

esp spending three points on that

i thought it only applies on weapon swap, or for HBs does using the bayonet count as a weapon swap?

[last parcel]

weapon specialist is on swap
agile is just on melee/ranged kill

[hollow ibex]

oh icic

[somber axle]

I should test if Agile Enagement actually helps on any breakpoints though

[hollow ibex]

makes sense, though idk about spending 3 points for that

[somber axle]

Into the Psykanium I go

[last parcel]

helps with bayonet vs dreg bruisers

[rocky jacinth]

thanks i kind of hate it

i made an experimental build and i'll send it to you once i'm done

also no damage is wasted damage, even if you don't hit breakpoints!

[near wyvern]

I oughta give HBs another try, haven't tried them since they changed survivalist

[somber axle]

Nice

[somber axle]

I hate it too don't worry

I just played it safe assuming you're someone who considers Voice of Command mandatory on any build

A lot of Vets here both new and experienced see it as something you have to take or you're purposely gimping yourself and your squad by choosing the other options

[rocky jacinth]

absolutely not

[gilded rock]

I can't remember the last time I ever saw a stealth vet

I said the same thing about recons until I tried one and fucked with it, then I saw them everywhere

Maybe I will do the same for stealth

[last parcel]

looks like that stealth trainin paid off

[somber axle]

I love Infiltrate tbh

[near wyvern]

I run exec stance over VoC for the same reason I run no wound curios.

Why would you plan to die?

[somber axle]

My fav Vet ability for sure

But I also use Executioner's Stance a lot depending on the build I'm running

I use Executioner's Stance exclusively when running Recon Mk VId or Boltgun

[gilded rock]

My huge thing with infiltrate unless they changed it is that they force you not to fucking sprint for like 2 whole seconds of the 5 second ability

That's so annoying for no reason

[somber axle]

But if you want to see the real build I use with my Helbore Mk II

[near wyvern]

The best kind of healing/support is the one that involves punching holes into the things before they can hurt you

[gilded rock]

I get this argument but at the same time you can also say that because of the nature of the game things will touch you at some point unless you're one of like 2 people playing that can no-damage the game 100% of the time

VoC definitely isn't necessary though, different means for the same goal

[near wyvern]

I mean, I still run VoC every now and again, but I rarely have fun doing it

[somber axle]

I love going all in on Sniper theme

[near wyvern]

I feel more useful when I turn the game into a shooting gallery

[gilded rock]

I take a lot of joy from it because I get to do really risky but rewarding things

[somber axle]

the new Marksman's Focus buffs have made this feel very comfy

Triple stam curios because I'm a Deadshot fiend

[near wyvern]

And that's very fair. I can respect it

[gilded rock]

Eating up vet lately, hoping that love spreads to the other two classes I don't play

[gilded rock]

The game is almost just as hard for me because I play like a freak of nature whether I can always back it up or not

Need to try infiltrate though

[near wyvern]

Infiltrate is a lot of fun

I basically made a knife zealot: vet edition build for it while I was working on the new penances

[gilded rock]

Maybe I try this, wondering about what other weapons could be really fun for infiltrate too

Have you tried others?

[near wyvern]

Uhhh, let's see

Knife and autopistol is definitely one of the choices of all time I made

[somber axle]

I wish Smoke Grenades and Executioner's Stance were closer together

the talent point tax getting both is rough

but they're so fun to pair together

[gilded rock]

Shooting a wall of highlighted fuck-you's through a smoke wall sounds fun

[near wyvern]

I oughta try that, actually

I already don't run keystones on vet

[agile forge]

Ok so

[near wyvern]

I got points to spare

[gilded rock]

Wish they didn't have so much redundant point tax on exe stance's highlights though

[agile forge]

I'm settling on keystoneless grenade vet now

with shovel 7 and infantry lasgun 1a

[gilded rock]

Four different nodes for no reason

[agile forge]

is this a dumb build or is this ok?

[elder fiber]

exe stance point tax is so ass

[agile forge]

tbf you only need 2 of those modifiers

[near wyvern]

Become the grenadier you were always meant to be

[agile forge]

and can only take up to 3

Gonna share my build again for more critique if nobody minds

[somber axle]

The 5 sec duration refresh should absolutely be baseline imo

[full nacelle]

Oh are we posting our funny Helbore builds? Here's my smoke specialist Helbore build built entirely around blinding literally everything (including myself and my teammates) and spamming exe stance for extra shooting gallery fun.

[elder fiber]

idk I've used keystoneless nade build on both krak n shredder, it actually feels kinda like a waste on shredder but it can be pretty funny on krak with good rng

[full nacelle]

Sounds like what you're talking about @somber axle

[gilded rock]

Yeah but like, if the others are just QoL then we should just bundle 'em up

[agile forge]

the only thing is, I'm wondering whether to take accatran laspistol instead of the 1a

but give me a sec

[somber axle]

Nice! You've even got the node for letting your team see through the smoke to know where the priority threats are

Even if it's only for 5 sec it helps for sure

[rocky jacinth]

i had something like this as my 15 second build, didn't have too much fun

[gilded rock]

My recon las build is nearly keystoneless, I have focus target only because it's right under the last two nodes I wanted xd

[full nacelle]

Hell yeah! Gotta help out the homies when you're smoking. I believe it refreshes as long as you keep the buff up too?

Though I could be wrong

according to my sources it does

[rocky jacinth]

i was doing more damage just stabbing with the bayonet than shooting

[somber axle]

I don't think so but if you're killing specials quickly enough for the CD reduction on Tactical Awareness then you could feasibly use Exe Stance on and off to help the team get more sight on important targets

[full nacelle]

so if you keep the buff up everyone should be fine seeing what the need to through the smoke

[untold pagoda]

fuck i thought im gonna get a really good knife but no

[somber axle]

Or funny CD reduction stim for ability spam in combo with Tactical Awareness to help the team see through the smoke more consistently LOL

[untold pagoda]

does elite dmg apply to crusher as well?

[last parcel]

yes

[agile forge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c22fab1-a8bf-4325-aa5a-fa2497283f38

[untold pagoda]

oh nice

[agile forge]

Is there anything about this I should change? I'm not entirely sure about shock trooper tbh

is it even needed with infantry lasgun

was thinking of putting it in marksman

[untold pagoda]

also hi tcoal fan

remember the mom is hotter than ashley

[agile forge]

I guess I could drop twinned blast and take both

since twinned blast is just silliness

[full nacelle]

You can also drop grenade tinkerer and grab Superiority Complex instead with a little rerouting if you don't need those longer smokes

[agile forge]

It's not bad with frags I guess but I kinda just wanna throw tons of them

[near wyvern]

Twinned blast smokes

Do it

Smother them in blankets

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper is unnecessary depending on who you ask since there's more than enough ammo to go around for the usual quickplay squad. But ammo goblins exist and having a talent to ignore their existence is priceless to me so I use it often with my Lasguns

[full nacelle]

I wouldn't go shock trooper without deadshot tbh

it won't save you enough ammo to be worth it

[somber axle]

If you run into a T'augryn or a Vet who refuses to swap melee ever and unloads his gun into poxwalkers while vacuuming up every tin and pack he can see, you'll be thankful Shock Trooper bought you an easier time managing ammo

[agile forge]

ooh, deadshot is probably important too

[full nacelle]

pair it with a Helbore with deadshot and the crit stacking blessing and it makes a HUGE difference

[agile forge]

I can take that too

yeah, I already have a helbore build though

I want this to use something else

I'm between 1a and laspistol really

I think maybe the laspistol would do better since suppression immune

[full nacelle]

Laspistol is better for a crit-based build

if you skip the two points you spend getting grenadier you can grab Focus Target! and Target Down! for constant stamina regen to work with deadshot

much more synergy

[somber axle]

I love Deadshot and yeah it absolutely does help. Headhunter is basically mandatory for Kantrael Infantry Lasguns of all variants, mandatory for Recons of all variants, and Surgical is mandatory for Helbores so it helps juice the crit. Shock Trooper still gets some value just because of those blessings but Shock Trooper combos so so well with Deadshot that it's a must have for me whenever I'm running one or the other with any Lasgun

[full nacelle]

you should have plenty of grenades with demo stockpile

[untold pagoda]

holy shit

holy relic of a bolter

[agile forge]

I started the build just by taking every single talent with "grenade" in the name lol

but I can prune the less important ones out for more general use

[untold pagoda]

man i wish it was 80 on dmg

[full nacelle]

Yeah same here. Feels like a waste of a point to SOMETIMES get ammo from crits. Ammo isn't that scarce most of the time.

[somber axle]

That's a delicious stat roll. Sadness on no Surgical but that's still very tasty

[agile forge]

I'm running fire team with this, mostly just because it's a more direct route and also I gotta do the penance still

[untold pagoda]

is surgical better on bolter?

[somber axle]

I use Deadshot on literally every build I run with triple stam curios because I'm a clown

[untold pagoda]

ach

[full nacelle]

Yeah honestly just grenade tinkerer and demo stockpile is enough for a grenade build. Twinned Blast and Grenadier are ok but really not necessary unless you REALLY like the theme.

[somber axle]

Yeah ideally you want Surgical + Pinning Fire. Shattering Impact might not be bad? But idk since I never run it and haven't tested that blessing for anything

[untold pagoda]

dang it

[full nacelle]

Haha totally understandable. I like it on most of my builds though my Graia one would spam through it in about 5 seconds.

[agile forge]

I'll stick with tinkerer and both demo talents I guess

it's still spammable

[untold pagoda]

at least it make up for the knife a bit

[agile forge]

If +1 grenade was a 1 point talent it'd be fine

but the 2 point dip is rough

[full nacelle]

yeah

[somber axle]

It's still a really good Boltgun tbh

Not perfect but still a beautiful gun

[untold pagoda]

true enough

aye

[full nacelle]

it's worth spending two points for demo stockpile but less so for grenadier

[somber axle]

Should still put down targets very effectively

[agile forge]

demo stockpile is a 1 pointer though

[somber axle]

Here's my baby

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper is good if u don’t want to take survivalist

[agile forge]

since I'm going for voc

[tall torrent]

It also extends ur firing uptime

[full nacelle]

I know, I mean in builds where you don't go through VoC it's still worth it

[agile forge]

ah yeah

[somber axle]

I love Unyielding for just unloading into Plogryn heads, Burgle backs or Chaos Spawn faces

[stuck gorge]

what skin is that?

[agile forge]

tbh I have never used 1a, and haven't used an infantry lasgun at all in like a year

and I never had a very good one

[somber axle]

Merciless Deliverance! It was a shop weapon skin a while ago

I love the writing on it

[tidal bane]

hi all, does anyone know what vet personality says "if you can breathe, you can kill!" when they shout. thank u

[last parcel]

Cutthroat

[agile forge]

Cutthroat I think

[tall torrent]

Lemme put it this way
Assuming u take the +5% crit chance node and u have headhunter IV (1 stack active most of the time)
That’s minimum 30% crit chance from ur Lasgun, which makes 30% of ur shots not use ammo
This means:

1. You can fire 30% longer before reloading (like an extended mag)
2. You effectively have +30% total ammo

[tidal bane]

thanks

[somber axle]

Numbers cat speaks very true and this is why I love my silly Recon Shock Trooper crit build

Vomit lasers

[tall torrent]

MG1a at max ammo roll can shoot 36 shots before reloading
With shock trooper and the assumed 30% crit chance that’s 46~47 shots between reloads

[full nacelle]

Shock Trooper + Deadshot is a beautiful thing

[untold pagoda]

very nice damn

[tall torrent]

It’s not quite as funny as Mk2 laspistol & MG4 but it’s still good for ammo economy

I’ve used 1a before without survivalist

If u shoot at actually everything that moves (that the situation allows for)

You can run very low on ammo even with shock trooper

[somber axle]

She's one of the few perfect guns I have. Not 550 but idc about 1 point of item rating

[agile forge]

Bear in mind I'm mostly grenade spamming everything that I can too

[somber axle]

I run Boltgun exclusively with Executioner's Stance so the stability isn't a problem for me

[agile forge]

Oh are there any particular talents that are important for 1a breakpoints

[untold pagoda]

aw damn it havent got any perfect gun just yet tho sadly

[agile forge]

I am taking weakspot, ogryn and elite damage boosts from talents

And 20% maniac flak

[full nacelle]

I've been stung by the bolters reload speed

[tall torrent]

Get rending strikes if u want best 2 tap possible but it’s not entirely necessary

[full nacelle]

I hope the bolt pistol is better

[agile forge]

Oh, I am taking 10% rending too :)

[somber axle]

Give it time! Hadron and Brunt are very chaotic gambling partners

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1233790660142829670/1244319113178775573/Screenshot_2024-05-26_115942.png?ex=6654adfa&is=66535c7a&hm=377f98e0769e62b118c529e758a6d7d6674b852a73bc6b4d9fc4df5f1c6ab9f0&

[somber axle]

I can't wait for the Bolt Pistol tbh

[agile forge]

Would it be worth taking the suppression immune talent for it

[tall torrent]

I have a very cursed build rn

[somber axle]

going to be so fun playing with it

[rocky jacinth]

I'm afraid it's just going to be really shitty

[tall torrent]

MG4 is actually pretty good with marksman’s focus lol

[wanton dawn]

M

[rocky jacinth]

Only reason boltgun is so good is because of Surgical

[full nacelle]

what's the serrated blade for?

[tall torrent]

Knife, mercy killer

[full nacelle]

ahhhhhh

[somber axle]

I currently main the Recon Mk VId so even if it ends up as trash I will find a way to make it treasure and use the weapon frequently

[tall torrent]

I can’t afford the points into desperado so this is the 2nd best thing for the same breakpoints

[somber axle]

I even made a funny Shredder Autopistol build

I collect garbage

[rocky jacinth]

based off meta dumpster trash enjoyer

[full nacelle]

mercy killer + uncanny strikes good?

[tall torrent]

In terms of breakpoint consistency that’s the most point efficient way to run it

[full nacelle]

I can't wait for Autopistol buffs... I love mobile suppression based guns

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/trashman-alwayssunny-gif-20476414

me throwing my latest trash at the heretics

[full nacelle]

Good to know! Been meaning to fix up my vet's combat blade

[tall torrent]

I still think executor plays better than mercy in practice

It’s honestly better in every category besides boss dmg

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-painting-trash-gif-14039207

[untold pagoda]

oh nvm bolter still suck anyway

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[untold pagoda]

holy relic of autopistol

holy shit

that thing pre nerf can even kill a chaos god on it own

[full nacelle]

I can hear that gif

and I love it