veteran-class

[midnight totem]

This resource used with diamantine to unlock a third blessing or perk slot for rerolling

Also used to reroll a weapon's stat distribution

[hearty panther]

nah just gimme lots of teats

[rocky jacinth]

I'd like attachments/internal modifications that increase one stat at the cost of another, so you can rearrange stats that way and finally boost stats to 100

[midnight totem]

I'd also add a 5th weapon upgrade slot that's a sidegrade

But that's just me going overboard

[hearty panther]

while im out here doing nothing

and just staring at my cat

i dont think we'll see anything too flexible

controversial take perhaps but the system is shitty, yes, but it succeeds at the original goal that they had for what weapons should feel like

[hidden torrent]

News about news of an upcoming update

[hearty panther]

they didn't super like how in VT2 you would get a spear or an ex sword and just reroll the one thing into a new thing constantly

they wanted two weapons of the ssme kind to be markedly different in some way

but, rushed game, and we have the laziest way to achieve that, which is locks

[white minnow]

I would like a more steady progression system at least where investing resources feels like an actual investment and not throwing it into a gambling black hole

[hearty panther]

you upgrade and are just give a random effect and therefore it feels like you are gambling, and even worse, it always feels like you're making the best out of a bad outcome

even if the outcome is good you only 'got lucky'

so yea like arco said

and unironically like i said

teats and udders

you can still lock us out but give us all the options upfron

two axes could be going down two different regions of an upgrade tree

this also makes it much easier to balance outcomes for da team

BUT I GUESS WE'LL SEE

[white minnow]

and also because the current systems incentives hoarding and having 1 million items in your inventory which may or may not be good from another perspective

[hearty panther]

my inventory is hilarious

[white minnow]

my human classes have all achieved memory leak status

[hearty panther]

yea people want a unified inventory but like

im gonna cause an integer overflow errror for everyone in my mourning star lobby

[white minnow]

fatshark lives in fear of the people who have never deleted a weapon

[hearty panther]

they probably sneak in after i log out and just delete ten at random

id never know tbh

[white minnow]

so true

[hearty panther]

"didnt i have a 535 headhunter here somewhere? I swear i had a tier 4 deadly accurate. Oh well, guess I'll take my 357,432,452 resources over to Brunts"

Fatshark HQ: we got em

[white minnow]

gaslight girlboss gatekeep!!!!

[tiny summit]

Holding onto all "hmm maybe" weapons for the hope of crafting overhaul

[hearty panther]

you guys remember when Carlos Santana was in every fucking song?

what a strange mania that was

[somber axle]

I have no idea who that is

Did he help make the Darktide soundtrack or something?

[wild vortex]

probably one of the most notable guitarists of the last 50 years

[somber axle]

The only thing I know is that he plays semi regularly at the House of Blues in the Mandalay Bay here in Vegas and he always draws a very big crowd

[wild vortex]

his guitar solos are phenomenal

even a music scrub like me can appreciate them

[hearty panther]

... does desperado +crit even affect the helbore bayonet? 🤔

im just gonna assume yes

[rocky jacinth]

revalation: Darktide was a gacha game all along

[oak gorge]

skibidi edge rizz

im pretty sure i tested desperado on the bayonet and didnt see a discernable difference

i dont think it can even crit tbh

theres certainly no crit effect on my screen

[midnight totem]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only gacha

[velvet storm]

I love it when I get revived and a sniper or poxburster instantly off me

[hearty panther]

bayonet deffo crits

[full nacelle]

I love getting revived in the middle of a massive lake of fire by a vet who took the stupid rez talent and instantly falling over dead

[hearty panther]

"on your feet"
-me, on fire-
"i said: on your feet"
-tears-

[tiny summit]

When that fire change first came out...never seen ogryns drop that quick

[trim steppe]

The fire that would turn your atoms into smoke

[unique anvil]

Is there a modifier

That makes it so that damage is higher when you hit a bleeding enemy?

Trying to find a good synergy with the bleed grenade

[agile forge]

There is mercy killer blessing

[unique anvil]

Ooooooh

[agile forge]

You can run that with the bleed talent too

Combat blades only iirc

[unique anvil]

Cool! I might use it for my stealth veteran

[agile forge]

Not sure if worth it (but it is the only time you want the talent part)

[unique anvil]

Throw bleed grenade, go invisible, back stab the biggest enemies

[agile forge]

Apart from that you will make crit zealots and left side ogryn happy

[full nacelle]

Does anyone know where I can find weapons critical hit bonuses and chances? Trying to see if the laspistol is better for a crit build than the regular lasgun

[agile forge]

Since they both synergise with bleeds

[unique anvil]

Yeah! that's the idea

Stealth Vet is probably the most I've had fun with in this game

[agile forge]

I think laspistols are crittier, but that might just be the damage multiplier and not the chance, can't remember

I know combat blades and tactical axes crit more than other melees

[unique anvil]

He's currently super lightweight, just a dagger and the pistol you can pan for faster rate of fire

[hearty panther]

laspee do have built in bonus crit

i cant recall if its like

[agile forge]

I prefer stealth zealot, but stealth vet is fun too

[hearty panther]

10 or 15 or 20% lol

[full nacelle]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, you'd be better off just running a regular knife with frag grenades. Frag grenades already kill off all the smaller dudes and the bleed synergies don't really add much damage when you could run a better blessing setup and kill them the same way while being better in every other situation.

[hearty panther]

but its some amount

[agile forge]

Mine is chainsword 4 and zarona revolver with weapon spec and kraks

[full nacelle]

Oh ok thank you! I'm trying to find the raw numbers somewhere but can't seem to find any...

[agile forge]

The cleavey version of chainsword 4

[unique anvil]

Huh, okay! Might try that then

[agile forge]

@hearty panther says it also crits more often

[unique anvil]

It kinda feels weird to be using vets as melee stealth honestly

[agile forge]

Chainsword has a fun synergy with it

[unique anvil]

Kinda misses the whole point of a gunner class

[agile forge]

You can rev in stealth

[unique anvil]

But it is extremely fun

[agile forge]

It is no longer strictly a Gunner class

All classes have been diversified by talent trees

[unique anvil]

Yeah

[agile forge]

About the only thing that isn't supported is a ranged focus zealot

[unique anvil]

Not sure if it's ideal to use the revolver, but it is cool to pop up behind a dude and just unload 5 shots into their head from behind

[unique anvil]

I thought that was the middle path?

[full nacelle]

Yeah you're better off running with Uncanny Strike and something else. It's really not worth building around bleeds or dots in general (except on a few very specific builds that aren't Vet). You CAN take the upgraded frag grenades and other grenade talents and go full bloody grenadier though. 🙂

[agile forge]

Left ability is more ranged boosting tbh

There are gun boosting talents scattered everywhere

They just don't add up to be able to be a full focus

Like melee vet or Gunner ogryn

[full nacelle]

Perfect! That's mainly what I need to hear. I'm running two different las builds that are very similar. One based around crits and damage and the other around support. Trying to decide which to pair with the pistol and which one with the rifle.

[unique anvil]

Yeah melee vet is weird, stealth vet feels better, but yeah

[full nacelle]

My stealth vet uses a braced graia autogun... You sneak into the enemy backline and dump HUNDREDS of bullets, suppressing EVERYTING instantly, and can still play at ranged when you need to

It's a "melee" build that uses a gun basically

10/10 fun, and surprisingly strong, would recommend

[unique anvil]

Haha, I think my stealth vet is really focused on elite kills

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/scarface-gif-14168367572031108130

[unique anvil]

The middle is the closest to I have to a "melee" vet

But that's more cuz I love boosting everyone else, so it's more support vet than melee vet

[full nacelle]

Right skill tree is the "melee" tree for vet

[unique anvil]

Yeah, I know

[full nacelle]

Everyone loves a good support vet! Feels good tagging everything and instantly blowing their brains out the second your teammates look toward them lol

[unique anvil]

But everyone fights in melee usually, so I kinda consider my support vet as "melee"

Yeah! Plus ur ability that makes the whole team tougher

[agile forge]

Tbh shout helps melee more

[full nacelle]

I'm so glad they brought back the witch hunter tagging mechanic from Vermintide

[unique anvil]

Lmao I do tend to just

[agile forge]

Right ability is more for support and reposition

[unique anvil]

Shout, then run back and dump mags at people

[full nacelle]

Shout helps everything more. Shout stupid broken and kind of boring.

[agile forge]

I still use e stance on CIAG because it's fun

And like I know even base CIAG is strong

[full nacelle]

Exe stance and infiltrate are definitely more interactive and fun to use

[agile forge]

But fully steroided CIAG makes regular CIAG feel weak as hell

Gunker spoiled me on it

[full nacelle]

same dude... weapon is already so strong, I don't need shout to trivialize the game haha

feels so good gunning everything down

[unique anvil]

Yeahp

[full nacelle]

I only take shout if I'm already enthralled by the weapon and don't want to think about using my ability

e.g. my Lawbringer shotgun build ❤️

[unique anvil]

Actually I wanna check on that

[full nacelle]

that shit is fun and already takes some brainpower to make work

I'm fine spamming shout on that build lol

[unique anvil]

What's a better horde clear weapon?]

Shotgun or Plasma?

[full nacelle]

Shotgun but it's a VERY specific build for it

in general your melee is your horde clearer

ammo is kind of wasted on clearing trash most of the time

graia braced autogun does ok as a horde clearer but you shouldn't use it to kill the weak little infested dudes who die in one hit

[unique anvil]

Yeah that's not what I use that for

That's mostly for the unarmored ragers usually

[full nacelle]

if you want to be a horde killing machine, you need a Lawbringer with VERY specific blessings

it's expensive and pretty difficult to make

but it's very worth it

been having a blast with it

[agile forge]

Generally you want melee or grenades for hordes

[full nacelle]

yeah usually your teammates should be dealing with them

[agile forge]

Kantrael Shotgun can work though

[full nacelle]

Yeah Kantrael is ok

[agile forge]

With manstopper scattershot

[full nacelle]

yeah same with the Lawbringer shotgun

it's got more ranged and upfront damage but struggles with armored enemies

you can clear an entire horde with a few shots of the Lawbringers

Kantrael you will be waiting for the fire dot to tick... slower but more versatile since it will hit through shields

I prefer taking the Lawbringer shotgun and just throwing krak grenades on the big guys

[agile forge]

Maybe I will try that on my zealot too

[full nacelle]

Hmmm... I'm not sure how Lawbringer would feel on Zealot

I take it on Vet cause you can instantly get full stacks of Marksmen's Focus

and deadshot makes it so you always crit with scattershot

[agile forge]

It's for my knife pervert build

[full nacelle]

ohhh love a good knife pervert build

I recently picked back up my zealot

just got them to 30 and dropped them to focus on vet... never really got a good feel for them

Zealot is a friggin GREAT time

[agile forge]

I'd done most of the other kinds of zealot already

But only just getting decent with knives now

[full nacelle]

oh they're nutty haha

running around at mach 10 just shanking dudes left and right

[agile forge]

I changed the perks on my knife and picked up second wind

And it went from feeling awkward to actually good

Flak elite really helps, gunners are a consistent 1shot now

[full nacelle]

Yeah the right perks go a huge way

hitting those breakpoints are so important

and then you're flying around knife everything in a room before your teammates even arrive

[agile forge]

You are so vulnerable if they don't die when you expect them to

[full nacelle]

and the second you run into that massive crusher horde and start to feel an ounce of humility, you just hit your funny invisible button

and go back to being an absolute RAT

[agile forge]

It feels good to be using those talents to actually help and not just be a dead weight like a lot of stealth players are

I'm more afraid of ragers atm

Crushers just get dodged on

But ragers need better timing

[full nacelle]

see I love dodging ragers and chasing behind them Psycho style haha

[agile forge]

I like the facestab stealth backstab combo on maulers

[full nacelle]

Crushers make me have to slow down and pay attention for half a second 😦

[agile forge]

Feels like movie bullshit

[full nacelle]

Haha yeah that's all of knife zealot

just being a total spastic nightmare

it's so much fun

[velvet storm]

wait does the plasma gun not have a tier 4 blaze away

[agile forge]

There is no tier 4 blaze away

It is always tier 3 on any gun

[velvet storm]

guh

What are good perks for plasma

[tall torrent]

elite + flak

elite is priority

[velvet storm]

okay

Should I keep blaze away

And replace the stamina

[tall torrent]

Yes

[agile forge]

Blaze away good

[tall torrent]

Stamina is legit useless on plasma

[agile forge]

Stamina bad

[velvet storm]

ogay

i just wish blaze away was tier 4

feels weird that its tier 3

[agile forge]

Blazing spirit too (the good one at least)

Manstopper is tier 2

[tall torrent]

U chase weapon ratings?

[agile forge]

So is ceaseless barrage

And they're both really good sometimes

[velvet storm]

i just want it to all be tier 4 so it looks nice

[tall torrent]

Then gloryhunter is the way to go

[agile forge]

The idea of a perfect 550 does appeal to me tbh

[velvet storm]

ill just replace the stamina

[agile forge]

But some weapons aren't good candidates for it

[velvet storm]

if it wasnt stamina then maybe id replace blaze away

but stamina succs

[midnight totem]

Stamina good

All the ladies love a man with at least one stamina curio

[candid agate]

whats this build like in terms of how good it is

sorry for mutliple pictures btw

[full nacelle]

Not sold on it so far. You're "wasting" a ton of points on minor nodes going back and forth across the tree. What weapons are you using?

[tall torrent]

What weapon is this for

[candid agate]

catachan mkIV knife and kantrael MG Ia infantry lasgun

[tall torrent]

There’s no MkIV knife

[candid agate]

mb mkVI

got em mixed up

[tall torrent]

Honestly

[full nacelle]

It's not very good tbh

[tall torrent]

Just don’t run this

You’re paying very high point tax in the top half

For no reason

[midnight totem]

I don't see much synergy to this build

[full nacelle]

smoke grenades are the most situational grenade with exe stance being the most situational ability

it's a bit all over the place

[candid agate]

smokes are good now but i see your point

[midnight totem]

Executioner stance will have your gun out most of the time to get the most use of it

[tall torrent]

Smoke is not as situational as u think

[midnight totem]

Invalidating the weapon swap aspect of weapon specialist and agile engagement

[full nacelle]

I prefer killing everything ranged when I play vet over smoking them out on most of my builds

[tall torrent]

I’d rate it like a 2/10
Completely incoherent on what it’s trying to do

[tall torrent]

Then ur kinda using it wrong?

[candid agate]

brutal but alright

ill try and improve it

[full nacelle]

Then what are you using them for? I'm no smoke expert

[tall torrent]

Smoke is psyker’s bubble shield with different flavour

You throw them at ur own position, not at the enemy

[full nacelle]

Yeah and I prefer killing them and suppression over psyker bubble too

psyker bubble with no toughness regen... meh

that's just me

[tall torrent]

Psyker bubble that prevents flamers from firing

[stuck gorge]

It fucks with hound/trapper targeting though

[bitter turtle]

It neuters most specialiats

Also ngl

[full nacelle]

I guess it's probably better in auric missions

I haven't played too many of those

[bitter turtle]

I really think the toughness stuff on dome is whatever

But idk

[full nacelle]

I think dome in general is a little overrated

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I just don't care for other ppl restoring toughness to me in general

[tall torrent]

The toughness gain from dome is more for psyker himself than for others

[stuck gorge]

It’s just kinda there, psyker already had enough toughness regen talents and every class can melee for their toughness back

[tall torrent]

It’s instant high toughness regen

[full nacelle]

if you let us know what you really want to get out of the build we can try to help

[candid agate]

ok

[white minnow]

bubble is good nuff for position-invariant denial of flamers/trappers

though i personally don't invest points into wall and just take it cuz i don't want to run scrier's

[stuck gorge]

Also pox gas modifier if you’re trapped when it’s going off

[tall torrent]

First establish what your goal is, do u want a sharpshooter exe stance build or a melee build, then work from there

[full nacelle]

Yeah on damnation there's rarely enough specials or gunners for smokes to be used over just killing them

[candid agate]

i want a build really good at killing elites and specialists but still better than average at killing things in close range

[tall torrent]

Because weapon specialist & agile engagement are genuinely not great for exe stance

[full nacelle]

but you're probably right, I can see smokes being a lot more useful in the highest difficulty shock troopers stuff

[bitter turtle]

Ok yes pox gas modifier is when I appreciate dome regen more kek

[tall torrent]

Agile engagement requires u to swap to get benefit, and exe stance gets cancelled by swap

It’s just anti-synergy

[stuck gorge]

Until it’s fixed that is

[candid agate]

if exe stance gets fixed to be like gunlugger then it would be a lot better

but the shark wont do that for another year when next content drop comes

[tall torrent]

It currently doesn’t work like that and idk how they’d approach a rework for it

[candid agate]

wait wait wait

i said it wrong

[stuck gorge]

Anyone got a decent build I can try for the stealth ability penance?

[full nacelle]

all I want for exe stance is gunner resistance

[candid agate]

i meant that you can swap to melee with gunlugger build but you cant for exe

which is weirdly inconsistent

[midnight totem]

Not really, imho

Ogryn ranged weapons actually have melee blessings

[stuck gorge]

Kickback having like 5 special action blessings

[bitter turtle]

recently had a game with 400 specialists lol

[full nacelle]

it doesn't really make sense for you to draw your melee weapon with exe stance anyway

[bitter turtle]

That was on the extreme end but

[white minnow]

i'd just make it not drop on swap and call it a day

[white minnow]

just that you'll have to accomodate for the game's combat in general and to avoid pidgeonholing the ult into only being for long sequences of having your ranged weapon out

[full nacelle]

yeah see, that would be where smokes could be good! I have been spamming damnation while I get all my builds ready and I can just kill everything off before they become a problem

[bitter turtle]

Not elites btw

Just specials

Lol

[full nacelle]

I guess I'll test out smokes again when I get back into auric then

sheeee

[white minnow]

since allowing you to swap off exe stance without dropping allows for more ranged + melee gameplay where you get to maintain your ult through melee and play something like a weapon spec playstyle while having exe's stance taken

it would be really funny if they didn't disable the ranged benefits while you had your melee out though

[candid agate]

ok i made a new one which is much more ranged focused, tell me how bad it is lol

[white minnow]

TWBS vet

[full nacelle]

better, still kind of bad

[candid agate]

damnit

[bitter turtle]

You're using knife right

[candid agate]

yes

[bitter turtle]

Go frags

[candid agate]

ok

[tall torrent]

Take stam regen boost over 10% TDR

[candid agate]

all noted down

[full nacelle]

you probably want deadshot too... more crit chance has synergy with the lasgun perk

[tall torrent]

For knife I’d go either frag or smoke

[full nacelle]

plus deadshot is a lot more damage

[candid agate]

ok

[full nacelle]

generally if you go Focus Target keystone you want all 3

[candid agate]

problem is smoke takes a few too many points to get to and get back to exe stance

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[tall torrent]

Why do u want exe stance in the first place

[bitter turtle]

8 stack is pretty meh for focus target

[candid agate]

i like trying new builds

and i wanna defy the meta

[full nacelle]

I prefer to go all in and keep that damage buff

you can just do the base node with Target Down

[bitter turtle]

my opinion on defying the meta

[tall torrent]

8 stacks is practically +4.5% dmg if u take redirect fire

[bitter turtle]

is that you should get to a point where you understand it well enough that you wouldn't need to ask "is this good"

[full nacelle]

honestly there barely is a meta until you get to the sweaty top .1% of the game

everything is good enough

[tall torrent]

Like my funny XV evicerator build

[trim steppe]

You can do auric maelstrom with a grey recon if you want, everything is viable, just not everything is equal

[bitter turtle]

if you want to use an unpopuluar build that is sekritly decent you need to understand how the pieces fit together

[full nacelle]

the problem is just that your build really doesn't synergize well so you're kind of all over the place and not really leaning into the strengths of your setup

[full nacelle]

spit on my support vet dreams why don't ya?

[candid agate]

thats why im getting help with it, im accepting new information to help me be more independant with builds i create in the future

[tall torrent]

If u rly wanted to play support veteran you’d be playing O4B Rashad with gloryhunter plasma and feed an unholy amount of toughness to ur team via born leader

Trust me, that build is hilarious

[bitter turtle]

well

for one

[bitter turtle]

if you are playing a lasgun

that isnt mg4 with full automod to cosplay a recon

i suggest determined (immune to suppression node)

unless you want to suffer

[full nacelle]

True... I actually do have that build but I feel dirty playing the plasma lul

[grand perch]

but he is using exec

[full nacelle]

doesn't exe stance make you immune to suppression?

[candid agate]

exe nullifies suppresion and my -6 seconds on elite kill lets me get rid of a lot of cooldown

[candid agate]

yes

[trim steppe]

the hell is O4B

[bitter turtle]

werent you swapping off it or did i delusion that waking up

[bitter turtle]

out for blood

[full nacelle]

you're drunk honey

[trim steppe]

ah

[grand perch]

i dont really see the issue with the build. swap krak for frag, take stam node instead of TDR, its not that bad

[candid agate]

i was but i changed the build with you and others suggestions

[bitter turtle]

ah okay

[tall torrent]

If u want a dedicated sharpshooter MG1a

[full nacelle]

I think the problem is you still haven't told us what you want to do. Do you REALLY like the lasgun? Did you REALLY like the smokes? Were you looking to be more supportive? More ranged DPS?

It's hard to critique when we don't know which way you're going

[candid agate]

im not using marksmans focus if my nan died for it

boring ass concept

[dreamy ginkgo]

Is it as boring as "ping to get free bonus"?

[tall torrent]

Then take focus target

[rocky jacinth]

I wouldn't double up on exec and determined in just about any situation, both prevent suppression

[candid agate]

true but that lets me actually move and play the game without standing still

[full nacelle]

I lowkey like Marksmen's Focus. I just wish it was implemented a little better.

[tall torrent]

I’m not a fan of relying on exe stance for suppression immunity

On a gun that gets turbo fucked by suppression

[full nacelle]

You can move and play the game as normal if you use Marksmen's Focus well. It got some good buffs in the last patch.

[white minnow]

yeah determined is just nice in case exe stance isn't up

[tall torrent]

1a isn’t that reliant on exe stance in the first place

[rocky jacinth]

Also you can use the two points in Demo stockpile to get Reciprocity since you already got Demo team

[dreamy ginkgo]

You dont have to not move though, you can move u just wont have permanent stacks but when shooting multiple targets in a row it works well

[white minnow]

stacks also decay 1-by-1

[tall torrent]

He’s playing knife
Uncanny + nade spam outvalues reciprocity

[dreamy ginkgo]

Or embrace the crab stance

[full nacelle]

Marksmen's Focus basically rewards you for playing properly. If you play well, you won't have to worry about standing still to keep stacks.

[rocky jacinth]

So with those 3 points you can get Reci + Desperado which is incredibly good for knife

and also gives you big crit bonus from dodging with your gun

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity is really inconsistent for gun

[bitter turtle]

dodging gunners is a lot less reliable than you think

[rocky jacinth]

Works for me

[tall torrent]

It’s practically a melee only talent

[bitter turtle]

it

1. doesnt work on elites
2. only works on the startup of trash shooter atks

[tall torrent]

It works for shotgunner blasts

[bitter turtle]

sorry, meant elite gunners

[rocky jacinth]

But then again I run around and hipfire with a columnus, that shit is up constantly, melee enemies or not

[tall torrent]

If u have hit & run yea

MG1a does not have that

Ghost for reciprocity uptime is just not reliable in practice

[rocky jacinth]

what's hit & run

[full nacelle]

I'm still a bit confused. Did you want to try to do an exe stance + smokes lasgun build?

[rocky jacinth]

Oh that thing, you know you still have a dodge button with the gun out right

[candid agate]

not anymore

[rocky jacinth]

and what the hell you still need melee power, there's no such thing as a "ranged only" build in darktide

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfYNbFsCIVw

this is with ghost, but its the same principle as dodging

[tall torrent]

I didn’t recommend exe stance to him in the first place

[bitter turtle]

you see the procs happen very inconsistently

if it actually worked on their entire attack

it would have stacked up to 5 instantly

but you need to dodge only when their barrage is starting

anything after that doesnt count even if you are literally dodging their shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIm_mAeX1_k

and for elites, it just straight up doesnt even work

[rocky jacinth]

yeah fair enough, i wouldn't run MF with a lasgun in the first place

but exe is fine

[tall torrent]

1a with MF + exe stance hits a couple new breakpoints since he wanted a sharpshooter build

[rocky jacinth]

lasgun's just too slow, at that point damage just doesn't matter anymore

if you can't max it out in under a second what's the point

[tall torrent]

@candid agate if u wanted to treat 1a as a back pocket anti-gunner weapon and play more melee hybrid (but still don’t want VoC for some reason)

[rocky jacinth]

i'd almost say that the only really good niche for lasguns right now is having a gun that can kill anything with deadly accurate

it hits so hard that crit headshots can bring down crushers, especially if you grab rending on the way to focus target

[tall torrent]

No

[rocky jacinth]

but yes

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns just aren’t good vs carapace

Don’t even bother

[rocky jacinth]

They're a dogshit weapon class, what else can they do

Just make the best of what you got

[full nacelle]

This would be probably the best smoke + exe stance lasgun build you can make. You have the best smokes possible, plus your exe stance outlines specials for teammates which avoids the most egregious part of running smokes, plus the bottom trees give your lasgun great crit synergies with deadshot + shock trooper + the stamina regen from Target Down!

[tall torrent]

Yea and killing crushers is not what they’re made for

[full nacelle]

plus you have survivability with confirmed kill + iron will

[rocky jacinth]

They're not made for anything else either

[tall torrent]

They’re nowhere bad at killing specialists & gunners

[rocky jacinth]

But an IAG is plain better

[full nacelle]

It combines everything you wanted to do with your first build into something more cohesive. You are the smoke grenade support + lasgun specialist killer.

[bitter turtle]

they have

very good maniac damage

fwiw

[rocky jacinth]

I'm just saying, if you're going to use a lasgun, you CAN make it work against all enemies

So might as well

[tall torrent]

Not carapace

[rocky jacinth]

I mean it works

[tall torrent]

896dps is miserable

[rocky jacinth]

Better than 0 dps

[tall torrent]

In a practical scenario this dps achieves very little

[rocky jacinth]

It kills the enemies

[bitter turtle]

if you wanted ot do deadly accurate to kill crusher you might as well play v7 then

https://i.gyazo.com/d0922c1b3019dd536bce9d6ed33cd271.jpg

spamming shot gets you 2k dps on avg

i dont think shooting carapace with a lasgun is ever right

[rocky jacinth]

Well that's not a lasgun now is it

[bitter turtle]

really slow kill

im just saying its not really worth, just melee it

[tall torrent]

What gun even is this

[rocky jacinth]

Look, I'm not arguing it's good, I'm saying lasguns are so bad that you really shouldn't take one in the first place

[bitter turtle]

they are not that bad though

[rocky jacinth]

But if you do, you might as well build it with deadly accurate so it does do some damage

[bitter turtle]

they have the opposite ADM profile as HH

very high maniac but low flak

[rocky jacinth]

I guess 1tapping ragers is pretty fun

[tall torrent]

Is that an MG12 in the pic u showed

[rocky jacinth]

yeah

the dps kind of sucks

[tall torrent]

Lemme guess u have +carapace or +elite on ur MG12

[full nacelle]

Is it true that Born Leader doesn't restore toughness to allies if you're full on toughness?

[bitter turtle]

no

[tall torrent]

False, patched

[bitter turtle]

that is not true

it was the case months ago

[full nacelle]

oh thank god

[bitter turtle]

but not anymore

[full nacelle]

glad to hear that 🙏

[tall torrent]

Ykw u do u

I can’t comprehend trying to make infantry Lasgun kill crushers well

[full nacelle]

one more for you guys... is toughness replenishment just coherency regen basically?

[tall torrent]

Depends

[rocky jacinth]

look at this this way, you have some poor sap who wants to bring a lasgun into a mission, run exe, shock trooper and shoot his gun a lot

[full nacelle]

this game really needs a glossary

[bitter turtle]

tunnel vision works for more than just regen, affects skills like Confirmed Kill

Inspiring presence is regen only (and shit)

[tall torrent]

He specified killing specialists & elites which infantry lasguns are nowhere bad at

[full nacelle]

Perfect! Cooking up something here. Something stupid.

Thank you!

[rocky jacinth]

If you're gonna be at the back shooting specialists and elites, the lasgun's gonna just sort of do that

[tall torrent]

Tunnel vision (MF modifier) is a x% multiplier to all non-coherency-sourced toughness u get (melee kills, toughness gain talents & blessings)

[tall torrent]

1a is nowhere near bad at doing that job

[somber axle]

Infantry Autoguns (tbh really just the performance of the Columnus, but the Agripina and Graia are good too) are so overtuned right now that comparing other guns to them is kinda silly. The Lasguns are fine for what they do but they struggle against armour while having top tier ammo economy. Helbores are very strong all around weapons. Kantrael Infantry Lasguns are solid at clearing all non-armoured elites/specials with fantastic TTK so long as you have even the tiniest bit of skill getting consistent headshots. Recons are the clown choice awards so don't touch them unless you're a masochist like me. Headhunter Autoguns are also top tier imo but hitting heads consistently is a skill floor that some dislike so it's just easier to use Plasma, Columnus Infantry Autogun or Revolver and go head empty no thoughts while the weapon basically plays the game for you on easy mode

Braced Autoguns exist and are mid tier tbh. Not particularly good or bad

Their biggest sin imo is being boring

[rocky jacinth]

Bro I know, I want them to nerf IAGs

Hell I want to see just about everything nerfed but that's a really unpopular take

[somber axle]

Your life is better if you stop caring about what others are doing and just do whatever you find fun

[terse idol]

I mean

It's really good

Like not sort of

Build it right and you 1 shot every gunner type enemy

[somber axle]

I will main Recon forever and I will not be swayed even if it gets more nerfs

[terse idol]

Hordes of shotgunners become jokes, scab gunners get 1 tapped

the las12 is kinda bad because it's been power crept

The 4 is like carpal tunnel sim

But they're pretty good

At what they need to do

[bitter turtle]

what if they delete shocktrooper

👻

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

[bitter turtle]

man that would ac tually suck balls

[somber axle]

Yeah. The XII is kinda eh in modern meta but I wouldn't say it is bad. Just mediocre. And for a lot of Vets the word "mediocre" is synonymous with "bad"

[bitter turtle]

i'd have to go back to taking surv on laspistol

lol

[midnight totem]

Nerf: clowns are no longer allowed to wield sparkly shiny lasguns

[somber axle]

You can pry it from my cold, dead, honking hands if you can catch me while I'm break dancing at light speed through the gutters of Atoma

[terse idol]

well in terms of it's cousin the IA

Yeah

It's bad for what it is 😌

30 more damage

[misty quest]

Its good at saving ammo

[terse idol]

Doesn't change the break point

[misty quest]

Thats about it at this point

[terse idol]

And the decreased fire rate

Actually hurts the total DPS

[terse idol]

so is the IA

[full nacelle]

Beautiful! You got me stuck on support vet and now I'm redoing my talent tree

[rocky jacinth]

meanwhile in CIAG land

[tall torrent]

Don’t tell me ur running O4B Rashad + gloryhunter plasma + MF tunnel vision

[white minnow]

other good weapons existing does not make a weapon bad

i hope we all understand what relative and absolute strengths are

[terse idol]

okay and?

[wild vortex]

The eternal "meta" problem

[terse idol]

I mean Lasgun still has range over the IAG's

Even if the columnus is OP

[bitter turtle]

js

[wild vortex]

"why choose X if Y "better""

[bitter turtle]

i think its still better usually to take focus + target down

[terse idol]

And build a lasgun to kill a scab gunner that's not bad

[bitter turtle]

if you want to feed toughness

[terse idol]

You take +flak anyways

[bitter turtle]

rather than tunnel vision

[terse idol]

On Lasguns

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/coolcats-cool-cats-coolcatsnft-cool-cats-nft-nft-gif-2666167899387077679

[bitter turtle]

cause target down is 10% minimum to teammates

repleneshment, at best, is 50% of your toughnness gain skill for yourself

[full nacelle]

just testing 🙂

[bitter turtle]

so it would be like 5% if it was ck

and that's only for yourself

the amount you feed to team is only 1/7th of that through born leader

so less than 1%

[full nacelle]

I'm not following the math

[bitter turtle]

ok

so

focus target + target down

when you tag you tag 2 stacks minimum

so its 10% toughness to team

born leader also feeds an additional 15% of that

so its 11.5% toughness

that makes sensse yes?

[full nacelle]

Yes. Makes sense.

[bitter turtle]

tunnel vision boosts your personal gain by 50%

at 10 stacks

[terse idol]

@rocky jacinth ALSO, I mean, (Lasguns also have a 1 shot kill head shot on scab gunners)

[bitter turtle]

so hypothetically, lets say you bring confirmed kill

that is 10% gained on a kill for YOURSELF only

[terse idol]

And I mean CIAG, broke, the other IAG's are more reasonable

[bitter turtle]

tunnel vision boosts that to 15%

then born leader feeds 15% of that to your team

which is like

2% toughness

[tall torrent]

Here’s the math

O4B Rashad BM 1 hit 4 enemies (40% immediately)
Gloryhunter plasma 1 hit 1 elite (35% immediately + 20% over time)
FT target down 2 stacks kill specialist/elite (10% immediately)

[rocky jacinth]

Yeah, I mean it's kind of silly how such a slow shooting gun gets outdone by an smg

[tall torrent]

That one is hard to build around

It’s usually 2 shots

[bitter turtle]

so in terms of purely feeding your team

target down is way better

nevermind the stamina

[tall torrent]

But honestly

If you already run O4B Rashad + gloryhunter plasma with born leader

I think u don’t need target down

[rocky jacinth]

Lasguns deserve some piercing or armor pen if they're going to stay the way they are

[full nacelle]

Ahh ok I see what you're saying

[terse idol]

well at close range

[bitter turtle]

yeah, even if you hypothetically take ALL THREE toughess skills

[full nacelle]

tbh yeah I'd probably still take tunnel vision just cause I'm lazy and don't want to mark everything

[bitter turtle]

that's 30% on a kill

[full nacelle]

LMAO

[bitter turtle]

tunnel vision boosts that to 45%

[terse idol]

Like yes, the SMG is good at close range

[wild vortex]

Feel that

[bitter turtle]

but the actual amount you feed is only boosted by like 2% through tunnel vision, from 5% -> 7%

[terse idol]

Lasguns have pinpoint long-range precision damage

[bitter turtle]

and that

is the best case for tunnel vision "support"

lol

2% extr atoughness

if you waste 5+ skill points

[rocky jacinth]

I think I'll take my lasgun build out for a spin

[terse idol]

Oh I didn't relaise 😭
I got sharpshooters, + flak, and added weakpoint damage

[bitter turtle]

not saying its bad btw as a skill

the gain for yourself is good

[tall torrent]

Still hard to build around

[bitter turtle]

but just for team support its not even worth thinking about

[tall torrent]

U kinda need rending / MF / exe stance

So the extra point cost is there

I tried running 1a Lasgun a while back

It’s good but the point cost is dumb

If suppression immunity was veteran baseline I think I’d enjoy it more

[terse idol]

I guess I've gotten used to the point cost guh

[tall torrent]

Hence I went back to laspistol

[wild vortex]

Ghostpistol

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e9e29dee90ddd4e039a7b978ffe58e00.png

[tall torrent]

Knife + plasma/laspistol is my go-to for vet

[bitter turtle]

for a meme build

this doesnt look that unplayable

actually

[full nacelle]

I see your point there... 15% of 50% toughness replenishment at best isn't a whole lot for anyone but the Vet

[bitter turtle]

only bad part is no precision trikes/superiority complex

[full nacelle]

now I'm thinking, does that make it a "tanking" vet build? 🤔

my stupid gears are going crazy right now

[tall torrent]

If u play O4B Rashad or gloryhunter plasma, yes you’re basically invulnerable

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f2c2e6bd26a246f423cd81d85509bc96.png

if you take out the meme picks

[full nacelle]

I kind of want to try it now on Melee vet

[bitter turtle]

like covering fire

it actually looks playable

LUL

[full nacelle]

I might just do that

why no charismatic though?

[bitter turtle]

well

[tall torrent]

Basically
O4B Rashad will almost always send u over to Iron Will’s >75% toughness requirement in 1 hit

[bitter turtle]

you can drop the revive talent

for charismatic

if oyu wnat

lul

[full nacelle]

that's a beautiful thing... I never even though of using the Rashad as part of a "medic" vet build lol

[bitter turtle]

plasma should hit most of the bps it needs with that

tree

even

maybe drop charismatic for redirect if you need more oomph

[tall torrent]

BM power sword works as well

If u prefer power sword

Veteran can have very disgusting toughness regen if u build for it

It’s also just very thematically fitting that the most meta-viable “medic” build for veteran involves u killing loads of enemies very quickly

[full nacelle]

I might go all-in on tank melee vet and skip the left tree

just go full stupid

[tall torrent]

That’s the most imperium thing ever

[full nacelle]

to see how it feels

[bitter turtle]

if you do melee

just drop exhilirating takedown

cause uh

[full nacelle]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

that is not gonna work

[full nacelle]

yeah that's fair haha

[bitter turtle]

i would not drop precision strikes though, that one is almost always needed on your melee

[full nacelle]

I have been trying so hard to roll that damn power sword blessing for so long that I can't stand to look at one right now

it's Rashad time

[full nacelle]

yeah... precision strikes is just too good on just about every build

[tall torrent]

Too bad that Rashad is harder to roll

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/bfef15619848e3266c046351b2d63f88.png

could do this

[full nacelle]

you're joking right?

[tall torrent]

No

[bitter turtle]

psword has 2 dump stats

rashad has only 1

[tall torrent]

It’s just fact

[bitter turtle]

so yeah its harder to roll

[tall torrent]

Why’d I be lying to u

Rashad needs 4/5 stats on high roll and 3/4 perk&blessing correct

[full nacelle]

Oh ok... I'm not a real min maxer when it comes to stats but which one is the dump stat?

[bitter turtle]

psword also has three good blessings

rashad is only 2

[full nacelle]

I guess i've just been really unlucky with my pswords

[bitter turtle]

for psword? cleave target + mobility are not important

[full nacelle]

I can't find that damn level 4 power cycler to save my life

[tall torrent]

Power sword dumps mobility (51+) and cleave target

Rashad dumps mobility (51+)

[full nacelle]

This looks sufficiently goofy! Very close to what I was thinking

Gotcha! Well that will be my next pet project then

[tall torrent]

Honestly

Chainsword mk4 prob is ur best bet if u don’t have tons of resources to spare

The issue is that chainsword is nowhere as good vs carapace (on veteran)

[bitter turtle]

is it really though

i think its mildly annoying to roll

3 stats, kinda 4

[tall torrent]

I honestly think getting the 2 blessings right is enough

+flak is just nice bonus

[bitter turtle]

yeah ig

[tall torrent]

Plus

Chainsword has smaller blessing pool

[bitter turtle]

you say that

and it took me

months

to find bletter IV

[tall torrent]

[full nacelle]

I know this is sacrilegious to say but I don't enjoy the aesthetic of the chainsword

much prefer the rashad

[bitter turtle]

nah i think some parts of chainsword are goofy

[tall torrent]

As an all-veteran-blessing haver I cannot comprehend

[bitter turtle]

liek the stabbing attacks

[somber axle]

How does the Rashad perform vs Carapace?

[bitter turtle]

well enough

its not like

the best

but its good enough

[full nacelle]

it's not knife

[bitter turtle]

like 3/4 shot

[full nacelle]

but it's good

[tall torrent]

Around 1900 crusher DPS if u build for the 3 shot

But it’s usually 4

[somber axle]

That's ok I guess. Do you take +Carapace as the second perk to do that or?

[bitter turtle]

you need carapace for 3 shot

iirc

[tall torrent]

U need +carapace as 2nd perk yea

[bitter turtle]

its gonna be

unarmored flak or
Unarmored carapace

[tall torrent]

On like the hardest roll weapon in the game

[somber axle]

4/4 for a weapon sounds funny but I am a clown so it's time for casino games with Brunt and Hadron when I get home

[bitter turtle]

in terms of crusher killing purely though

you're gonna see better results from knife, psword, folding shovels, chaxe

but it does better than chainswords

id put it roughly on par with a crit taxe light spam

[somber axle]

For extra reference is the 3 shot through Desperado/Melee damage talent nodes?

[tall torrent]

I think if u just care about killing crushers
Knife > power sword > folding shovel ≈ chainaxe

[somber axle]

Or is that without those?

[tall torrent]

Yes u need melee dmg

[bitter turtle]

in general rashad wants melee dmg nodes

[somber axle]

Dang

[bitter turtle]

or else it gets harder to hit the bruiser bps

[somber axle]

Ok so maybe not a good pair for Recon

[bitter turtle]

yeah

PERSONALLY

i also think rashad doesnt feel good witout at least 10% attackspeed

if not wep specialist outright

feels slow without it

but that's just me

its definitely point-reliant though

'not a good pick if you're juicing up your recon

[tall torrent]

The issue is that Rashad can’t block cancel mid-attack

[bitter turtle]

honestly chainsword is like

the perfect melee to go with your recon build

[somber axle]

I will continue to live with Knife and Chainsword but maybe one day Fatshark will add a solid melee for me

[tall torrent]

So every swing u do is committed

[bitter turtle]

since you want to do the meme crusher kill w/ recon anyway

so chainsword being bad vs carapace just doesnt even matter

and its also the least point reliant melee

so you can spend all those pts juicing the gun more

lul

[bitter turtle]

yeah that makes sense

[full nacelle]

wish me luck fellas

[bitter turtle]

i couldnt articulate exactly why but it felt rly clunky at base attackspeed

that['s prob why

[tall torrent]

95% chance it’s bricked

[full nacelle]

the emporer protects 🙏

I don't have enough plasteel

the suspense

[tall torrent]

Sooner or later you’re gonna give in and become knife main

[full nacelle]

knives are for silly zealots

and I love them for it

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1241870827373465610/CB6_3312dps.mp4?ex=664f1196&is=664dc016&hm=ffe28e478db6df2072fdf5c4bcc03081bdc73a1bb428358fe94670e32fbcc362&

Veteran kind of hits harder

[full nacelle]

true but can they go NYOOOOM at mach 10 while annoying the shit out of every mob?

[tall torrent]

Less conditional stuff as well

[full nacelle]

probably, but not as fast as zealot

[tall torrent]

Zealot move speed is generally carried by the 0.75 out-of-stamina move speed modifier

And Swift certainty

[full nacelle]

and the fact that I gimp my build to pick up every movement speed node

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-gif-4964352

gotta go fast

[umbral granite]

Meanwhile I run what many consider a sub-optimal gun, primarily, because I like the sound said gun makes when it breaks a bulwark shield.

[tall torrent]

Agrip shotgun?

[full nacelle]

you're a man of culture Zach

[umbral granite]

yes

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad

[bitter turtle]

i agree that agri is good

really good even

[tall torrent]

If agrip shotgun couldn’t 1 tap Poxburster on bodyshot then I’d rate it way lower

[full nacelle]

what are yalls thoughts on Duck and Dive?

[umbral granite]

My friends consider me using the agrip to be "sub-optimal", on account of how I own a plasma gun that natively had carapace 3 and get's hot 4, with 80% damage, ammo, Stopping power, and Ammo with 60% thermal resistance.

[umbral granite]

I am told it's fun, but i havent used it

[full nacelle]

Yeah you're throwing bro. Come back when you have 80 in every stat. 😏

[full nacelle]

I use it but I haven't really noticed it tbh

I kind of zone out and stop looking at my stamina bar when I'm frothing at the mouth at gunners

[umbral granite]

My friends partner uses it on their "Aderoll with a CIAG and Deadshot" build.

[rocky jacinth]

well that was kind of miserable, just played a round with a lasgun and it's actually kind of really bad as a special sniper

can't shoot through hordes and can't suppress

[umbral granite]

was it a recon lasgun?

[rocky jacinth]

nah, mg 12

[umbral granite]

fair enough

[rocky jacinth]

i'm going to tear this whole build up, it's something i made ages ago and haven't touched

from the time where all my weapons were some unholy abominations born out of watching bottom of the barrel youtube videos

[umbral granite]

I never got arround to messing with the mg12, I preffered the Ia more

[rocky jacinth]

it's kind of nice being able to 1 tap gunners without a crit

[umbral granite]

Even the old "Emperors flashlight" is pretty fun to break out from time to time (an Ia that i own that has 80% in all stats but damage, with damage being 10%).

[tame lodge]

Shooters will keep their heads down, gunners will gun

[tall torrent]

Yea MG12 is pretty meh rn

[umbral scaffold]

Fingers crossed for melta or heavy stubber / medium stubber and or melta

[terse idol]

I mean

Suppression is like a rarity on most guns

If you want suppression I mean

Run the suppression talent

You shoot hordes to cook up MF

[rocky jacinth]

It's peak on the weapons I like the most

[terse idol]

But the las12 is just bad enough on fire rate that yes it is bad for shooting through hordes

[rocky jacinth]

Kantrael shotty and boltguns are really underrated sniping weapons honestly, put one shot into a pack of shooters and they're as good as dead when they're no longer firing

And the suppression talent in general for autoguns

[terse idol]

(Although you don't want to shoot into hordes period with the lasgun)

[terse idol]

I mean

Just take it on the lasgun

Guhh

[rocky jacinth]

+50% on 0 is still 0

[umbral granite]

As weird as it may sound, I find myself using the Kantrael shotty's speial ammo on my zealot as a means of ranged chaff removal... fire into a mixed horde to burn out the trash mobs so the hammer can come down on the big threats.

[rocky jacinth]

On Vet at least the secondary does so little damage that the only time I use it is when I fat finger my special button

[umbral garnet]

I think I've discovered one of my favourite loadouts.

[umbral granite]

do tell

[torpid grotto]

"Psword plasma"

[umbral garnet]

Rashad and Zarona Revolver with Weapons Specialist

[umbral garnet]

WHAT DO YOU TAKE ME FOR

[torpid grotto]

Hehe

[bitter turtle]

You picked the other generic meta pair tho

Lol

[umbral garnet]

Really

Damn

Well it feels a lot more engaging than Psword Plasma

[umbral granite]

My favorite is Agrip shotty and mk4 chainsword on a Grenade-spam/Support build

[terse idol]

Uh

I can gurantee you it's not 0

[umbral granite]

I have a godroll plasma, but the agrip is more fun for me.

[terse idol]

Because I took if off because I didn't like that regulars gunners flinched

[umbral scaffold]

I like plasma with chainsword
It ricks most 9f my boxes tbh

[terse idol]

And made me screw up my shot

[umbral scaffold]

Though if there were something equivalent to an lmg id take. 8nsteaf of plasma

[umbral granite]

I love when Demolition team decides to proc multiple times after you throw all of your grenades into an oncomming mixed horde.

[umbral garnet]

GIVE US THE DAMN HOTSHOT LASGUNS OBESEFISH

[umbral granite]

Give us a bolt-pistol so my commissar build doesn't have to settle for the crappy laspistols i keep rolling on my vet.

[umbral garnet]

So true

Speaking of, I just love the sentry uniform.

Peak.

[umbral granite]

on psyker, I have a godroll accatran laspistol. and on zealot I got a decent Kantrael laspistol roll.

On vet... I keep getting crap rolls.

[tall torrent]

wish the glove didn't have abhorrent muscle clipping problems

[umbral garnet]

B'yeah.

Can't get everything you want, though.

[tall torrent]

I just run Moebian 6th now

no clipping

[terse idol]

I just wished it had 2 gloves

[tall torrent]

FS's track record with gloves having clipping issues:

[umbral garnet]

I fw the assymmetric look.

I don't know how tp sell

SPell

Another loadout I've recently been enjoying is Mk 10 Laspistol and Mk6 Knife

@tall torrent My record with the DPS is now 3600

Because I got 2 crits, lmao

[tall torrent]

yea 2 crit dps is 3600

3 hit best record I got is 3312

avg is somewhere around 3000~3150

[tall torrent]

mk10 laspistol is mid on vet

[umbral garnet]

I barely use it, anyway.

I just pop smoke and rush in with the knife.

[tall torrent]

mk2 is just way better

mk10 kills maniac too slow

[midnight totem]

That's the stronger pistol right? It kills manics too slow?

[junior needle]

Higher damage per shot =/= stronger

[midnight mortar]

Shots to kill and time to kill matters.

[umbral garnet]

DPS is what you're after.

[full nacelle]

mk2 is actually pretty damn good with a crit setup

I use it in my marksmen's focus exe stance build

and it rips through stuff with a fast rate of fire and huge crits

not to mention the mobility is really nice too for keeping yourself safe

definitely would not work nearly as well with a mk10's slower rate of fire

[untold valve]

when we gunna get a powerfist frfr

[full nacelle]

bro I would be all over that

[untold valve]

i need it man

like cmon

this woulld go hard

[mental cloud]

You ain’t kidding 🤣

[untold valve]

just hooking a biggun

watch them crumble

[wild vortex]

god dammit Melk

just had the smoothest Hab Laranax auric ever. Weapons Specialist with Rashad + Zarona is nutso at staying alive, even for a scrub like me

[frank ocean]

Which enemies count as armored for the Krak grenade penance? I've been mainly saving them for packs of Ragers/Scab Ogryn, but do the normal Scab mobs also count?

[wild vortex]

which is better to gamble on?

[dapper vessel]

best bet is the one on the left

[wild vortex]

thank you

also on a Exec Stance + Marksman Focus build using CIAG, is Deadshot still important?

[dapper vessel]

deadshot helps with the TTK mostly, but the +30% weak spot node is generally more impactful

you can do some funny boss deletion tech with Deadshot

or just take both lmao

[austere badger]

So what's everyone rolling on their plasma guns? I'm avoiding charging the damn thing.

[frank monolith]

I think its dmg>thermal>stopping(dont rmb the bp to stun crusher in head in one light atk)/ammo>charge at 60 is fine

[tall marsh]

I never charge it.

[wild vortex]

So do Deadshot's bonuses still apply when your stamina is drained to 0?

[dapper vessel]

nope

[austere badger]

Blaze away and gets hot seem the best.

Prob gonna roll an agripinaa build tonight for fun too.

[tall torrent]

gloryhunter is a strong alternative to blaze away

[tall marsh]

Great weapon to have during Mostly ranged and only Scab faction modifiers. Then again, plasma is good for any situation. Especially for someone like me who can't aim for shit with revolver

[woeful galleon]

You and me both pal, that one's the dream

[tall torrent]

Any enemy that’s flak/carapace core (hit them with DOT in meat grinder to see “core”)

[full nacelle]

Is Long Range Assassin worth taking over Marksman on a Marksmen's Focus build?

not sure how much that extra 37.5% finesse power helps

[tall torrent]

Usually you don’t need either

[frank ocean]

Are Blessings you earn also per weapon, and not per weapon type? I finally got a Decimator 4 weapon from Melk, but its not showing up when I try to rebless my shovel

[tall marsh]

It's per weapon type, sadly.

[frank ocean]

ffs

[tall marsh]

YEP

[frank ocean]

Cool, glad I burned 2400 marks on a stupid atrox axe

[stuck gorge]

at least it will be for ALL characters that can use that weapon type

[frank ocean]

Oh joy

Whenever I'm bored enough to use the Atrox Mk 2 ax

[tall marsh]

Here's hoping we get some news about crafting tomorrow.

[frank ocean]

May-maybe the crafting rework will fix that

#copium

[sturdy zephyr]

whats blessing fits DA?surgical?or talent-specific?

or just scrap the blessing put much better weapon?

[stuck gorge]

its 2 bad perks and 1 bad blessing so just take DA

[torn moat]

Surgical is trash on inf lasguns

[frank ocean]

What blessings are good for Inf lasguns?

[stuck gorge]

oh nvm

ghost is considered good for las

Headhunter, Deadly Accurate, Ghost

those 3

[torn moat]

Ghost is good, Headhunter is good

[sturdy zephyr]

take DA put other?or the lasgun just MEH?

[torn moat]

You can keep either DA or Ghost. But you'd want HH.

[sturdy zephyr]

i dont have HH yet so going for a grind

[torn moat]

rerolling the perks might be safest bet then.

Ghost is great. DA isn't bad (when set up for CC builds)

[frank ocean]

Is Opening Salvo literally just the first shot of your magazine after reloading?

Or is Salvo different

[stuck gorge]

pretty sure i heard somewhere that it resets after like a long time even if you dont reload

[full nacelle]

but is there one you would take over the other? I don't know how good the finesse bonus is

[torn moat]

First shot in a Salvo.

[sturdy zephyr]

CC build are?

[torn moat]

I think it resets after like 1.5(ish) seconds of not shooting.

[torn moat]

CC = Crit Chance

[sturdy zephyr]

ahh

any build should i look for?

[sturdy zephyr]

oh i though in same magezine

[torn moat]

Lots of ways to get crit. But I'd suggest the getting the Deadshot keystone at least.

[gilded wraith]

For what it's worth each weapon seems to have a different reset length. Headhunters are relatively quick.

[sturdy zephyr]

so the big tip is blessing WORK on SAME GUN only

[torn moat]

Yeah. It's basically when the gun stops shooting and returns to it's normal position (from the recoil). It's usually a few seconds at most. Long enough that it's not usually worth waiting for. But short enough that it resets naturally between pauses in combat.

[sturdy zephyr]

not like SAME WEAPON CLASS

[torn moat]

uh... wat?

[sturdy zephyr]

i mean if i scrap DA

it works only other weapon that CAN USE DA?

[torn moat]

Blessings are shared across all weapons of the same category.

So if you scrap a blessing on a Inf Autogun, it's available on all 3 Inf Autoguns.

But it won't be available on a Inf Lasgun since that's a different category.

[sturdy zephyr]

gotcha! i thought i can put in the helbore just now.

[torn moat]

And blessings are shared across weapon categories. So if DA is available for one Inf Autogun, then it is avilable on all 3 of them.

Some categories are misleading. Infantry lasguns, aren't the same as hellbore lasguns, or recon lasguns. Even though they are all lasguns.

[north raptor]

theyre shared among characters too

so a chainaxe blessing on zealot counts for the vet one

[torn moat]

Similarly, braced autoguns, headhunter autoguns, and infantry autoguns are different types of autoguns. Each have different blessing pools.

[umbral scaffold]

oh ? cool to know

[tall torrent]

take LRR if u want better MF uptime, Marksman if u want sudden burst dmg

[tall torrent]

I went and checked the move speed bonuses for both knives when charging heavy

It turned out to be much more complicated than expected and the tldr is that

Mk3 would theoretically be a little faster if you can get 30+ consecutive perfectly timed (script lvl precision) charged heavy animations during sprint without running out of stamina

Otherwise mk3 and mk6 are by all intents and purposes identical in overall move speed when charging heavy attacks

[stuck gorge]

30 consecutive heavy attacks

[tall torrent]

And this isn’t due to Mk3 having higher move speed bonus

It’s because Mk6 attack animations are a little faster

Faster atk animation = less time holding heavy atk

[midnight totem]

anybody here get the "fan"-atic acheivement yet?

[stuck gorge]

what is that one again

[summer quartz]

is that the one where you knock guys into the big fan on Hourglass?

[stuck gorge]

oh this one

[sturdy zephyr]

Done this.fun too especially you got pushed into the fan. Haha

[midnight totem]

aye

figured I'd do a fun run today

[bitter turtle]

yes

i got it

i asked my team if they wanted it so we did it once

lucky that all 3 pugs went along

and helped shove them in

[summer quartz]

also could someone kindly inform me what the dump stat on plasma guns is

[midnight totem]

charge rate or thermal resist

[summer quartz]

thank youuu

[elder fiber]

I played a solo difficulty 1 mission and only got bots. The bots killed things too quickly in front of the fan so I had to get close enough to steer their AI into getting minced

[midnight totem]

lmao

[tall torrent]

Charge rate, usually

Thermal resist having 69+ is nice, for 8 continuous reg shots instead of 7

[north raptor]

NOT thermal resist!

[junior needle]

69+ is nice

[midnight totem]

bah

this pub team agreed to do fanatic

one of them walked into the fan

the other kept killing mobs well away the fan and went down

[elder fiber]

yeah pubs are just a total crapshoot lmao

[pseudo fiber]

I did it in a pub I simply didn't help my team with the objective

[midnight totem]

is it 10 total in one session or

[pseudo fiber]

I think it's one session yeah.

[midnight totem]

bah

[elder fiber]

oh yeah I also used psyker with force word for it b/c the pushattack doesn't do damage, just shoves them farther

[tall torrent]

Prob easiest to do with zealot’s relic?

[feral stratus]

Good day, it's been a while since i played the last time. how are the builds looking now? Anything big changed?