veteran-class

[tall torrent]

very strong pathing

smokes aren't bad either

[bitter turtle]

you can swap it to another nade/aura set @ the one i linked

[minor iron]

that base is pretty much what im using on all my trees as of right now, just not sure what perks to pick on right tree if i want to do weapon specialist

[bitter turtle]

depends on your melee

so you said shovel right

[minor iron]

yep

[bitter turtle]

can i see

[minor iron]

sometimes chainsword but still hunting for a decent base

[bitter turtle]

your shovel

link it

the stats and whatnot

[minor iron]

its 75+ in everything except mobility and defenses in the low 60s, thrust and uncanny + carapace and elites

[bitter turtle]

oh

[tall torrent]

oh shit u got a good shovel

[bitter turtle]

very solid

[minor iron]

100k gold to get a usable base lmao

[tall torrent]

that's low

[minor iron]

which isnt that much i guess...

[tall torrent]

very good

[pseudo fiber]

Yo gamers any helbore builds? Because I hate that damn weapon so I figure it's time to learn it.

[tall torrent]

sharpshooter or hybrid

[pseudo fiber]

I'll do sharpshooter I shout enough lmfao

[tall torrent]

I mean

[stuck basin]

This is the Columnus I have

[tall torrent]

hybrid just doesn't take survivalist

[pseudo fiber]

or infil if that's an option

[stuck basin]

not sure how good it is, but it served me well

[tall torrent]

cuz helbore doesn't need survivalist

[pseudo fiber]

Which one is more fun

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/c46fc0358e868e49d214b757215ac549.png

this should let you 1 tap crusher with full thrust

if you're ok with not using surv

[minor iron]

no additional options in weapon specialist? idk which ones are worth taking

[tall torrent]

surv has infinite ammo
hybrid has almost infinite ammo but hits a bit harder (and better melee)

[bitter turtle]

they are not really important for either weapon you mentioned

unlike the other two keystones

you dont really need anything else

[pseudo fiber]

What melee would you use?

[bitter turtle]

unless you know you want something specific for a certain weapon

last point can go wherever you want

[minor iron]

which adds would you recommend for the same weapons but focus target?

i used to take all 3 but lately been evaluating if theyre worth it

[tall torrent]

What melee do u wanna use

[pseudo fiber]

Not powersword

[tall torrent]

This is prob what hybrid would look like

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6d116f77212f4373f8fd53006d0ba1c7.png

prob something like this if you dont want to do deadshot meme

you need to tag a crusher to 1tap it

but any level of stacks will do

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t run Rashad on this one cuz no trench fighter

I play knife

[minor iron]

i kind of like deadshot for revo only, feels consistent

[bitter turtle]

or actually

you can 1 tap without tag

if the stats are high enough

just tried it

@ that build

you can drop rending strikes if you dont need it to 1tap then if you're ok with tagging

[minor iron]

my revolver is pretty good as well but ive only got tier 1 hand cannon unfortauntely, been hunting tier 4 for months

[pseudo fiber]

what about survialist?

[tall torrent]

U could try smth like this if u wanna keep revolver

[tall torrent]

Helbore basically does not run out of ammo ever (especially since I put shock trooper in that build)

[bitter turtle]

but yeah, wep specialist vs focus target is just

do you wanna shoot more or melee more

more or less

[minor iron]

nice ill try these in game and see how i like them. thanks a ton guys

[bitter turtle]

the ciag can sustain shooting for a while without being too hungry on ammo

np

[tall torrent]

@pseudo fiber on this build, with a single surgical stack, helbore has 25% crit chance (5% veteran base, 5% talent, 5% helbore base, 10% surgical 1 stack)

Practically speaking even if you’re shooting as fast as humanly possible you’re still getting ~25% ranged crit chance minimum (which means on avg 25% of ur shots won’t consume ammo)

[stuck basin]

how do you 1 tap a crusher? asking for a friend

[bitter turtle]

carapace and thrust needed

[tall torrent]

Thrust + carapace

[bitter turtle]

and you need

a fair amount of dmg on the tree

[stuck basin]

Sorry, I missed the conversation. With what weapon?

[bitter turtle]

folding shovels

[tall torrent]

Mk7 shovel

[stuck basin]

Im just taking notes to refine my build

Ah!

Ty

I dont have a powersword that worth a damn, so I never get to use it

Im currently using chainsword / Combat knife

[pseudo fiber]

I should have phrased better the other build you mentioned not the hybrid one

[bitter turtle]

both solid melee tbh

[tall torrent]

then u just go frag > survivalist > VoC

instead of smoke > c&k > VoC

[bitter turtle]

knife is one of the best in the game if you can leverage its strengths

[stuck basin]

Do you guys prefer mercy killer or Dodge crit chance on combat knife?

[tall torrent]

I play executor

[bitter turtle]

chs is great horde

[bitter turtle]

if you had me pick between those two

[bitter turtle]

crit on dodge

[stuck basin]

Ah! okie

[bitter turtle]

mercy killer needs to waste a point on the tree

[tall torrent]

Mercy is more consistent breakpoint

[bitter turtle]

i dont like it

riposte is really consistent 3 tap with the buff up too

the chance of you not critting is just really low

[stuck basin]

Ive been rolling combat knife forever my blessing is complete lol

I ahve every lvl 4 blessings for combat knife

[bitter turtle]

its

uncanny + precog/riposte/executor/flesh tearer/mercy killer

for your choices

uncanny is the only mandatory one

[tall torrent]

Caveat: executor only works for mk6

[bitter turtle]

oh yeah

forgot to mention that

[tall torrent]

Do not even attempt executor on mk3

[bitter turtle]

mk3 executor is trash

[tall torrent]

You WILL have a bad time

[bitter turtle]

i have one

[pseudo fiber]

what blessings on teh helbore? and mk 1 2 or 3

[stuck basin]

how come? I dont have enough experience

[bitter turtle]

i still end up preferring flesh tearer

the 2 tap

[stuck basin]

Which combat knife do you guys use?

[tall torrent]

Surgical + weight of fire for all 3 variants, for Mk2 u could forego WoF for no respite

[bitter turtle]

"2 tap"

[stuck basin]

I only have Mk3

[tall torrent]

Mk6

[stuck basin]

what are the blessings?

[bitter turtle]

executor is much easier to stack and doesnt drop as long as you hit one weakpoint with the heavy horizontals on mk6

[bitter turtle]

this is an uncanny/flesh tearer one

[tall torrent]

Executor is much easier to keep up on mk6 than mk3

[tall torrent]

This is with uncanny + executor

[bitter turtle]

here's a demo of how executor works on mk6, forgive the flash of discord

you can stack multiple times as long as you hit more than one weakpoint

[tall torrent]

Light mode discord

[stuck basin]

How come you guys all 2-3 tap crusher but I need at least 5 taps

[tall torrent]

Uncanny strike

[bitter turtle]

and hitting at least one weakpoint doesn't drop executor even if you hit a non-weakpoint

[bitter turtle]

do you have uncanny strike, it is the most important blessing to have

[stuck basin]

yes i have uncanny and Mercy killer

[tall torrent]

Do u have uncanny stacked up

[stuck basin]

oh, I do not

[bitter turtle]

stack it up

[stuck basin]

i'll try again in psyk ward

[bitter turtle]

if i dont have uncanny stacked

and also dont crit

[tall torrent]

Starting from 0 stacks, it should take 4 hits to kill crusher

[bitter turtle]

i take 4 hits

[stuck basin]

i still need 3 hits even with uncanny

not sure if its because of my build

[bitter turtle]

i run carapace on my knife

so

might be because of that?

[stuck basin]

Ah

[tall torrent]

Do u have the 20% ogryn dmg node

[stuck basin]

the perks I have are bad

[tall torrent]

And 15% elite dmg

[stuck basin]

I also dont have that. Maybe that's why

[bitter turtle]

that would do it too

[tall torrent]

Also, very importantly

Do u know how to speed boost with knife

[stuck basin]

remind me, talk to me like im stupid

[tall torrent]

Hold heavy attacks while sprinting

U move 30% faster when charging heavy atks

[stuck basin]

Oh I never knew that!

thank you for letting me know

[bitter turtle]

you can also "trimp" off slopes

[stuck basin]

I was able to 2 heavy 1 light tap a crusher now

[bitter turtle]

heavy attacking while running off a slope sends you forward really fast

more like a reverse trimp compared to the tf2 term but whatever

[stuck basin]

Also you guys are right with Mk3 executor

[bitter turtle]

its terrible

dont bother

[stuck basin]

I cant for the life of me keep it up

[bitter turtle]

i have one

[pseudo fiber]

lmao

[bitter turtle]

its only bc of the quirks i showed you in the vid

[stuck basin]

So Uncanny and 1 more

[bitter turtle]

that it works for mk6

and even then

personally

i dont really like it

[stuck basin]

which blessings would you recommend in that case?

[bitter turtle]

for mk3?

[stuck basin]

yes

[bitter turtle]

the same exact ones i listed just take out executor

[tall torrent]

Mercy/riposte imo

[stuck basin]

I wasnt able to get a Mk6

[bitter turtle]

and to a lesser extent

i think flesh tearer is slightly worse

on mk3

so just pick from the remaining ones

[stuck basin]

the 2 knives I have

[tall torrent]

2nd one is better but Crit dmg is really bad

[bitter turtle]

precog - can 2 shot crushers but very short buff so you need to be really on point after a dodge
riposte - much higher uptime and can generally 3shot crushers
mercy killer - most consistent but doesn't proc on the first hit no matter what, and also requires wasting a point on the tree

[stuck basin]

I wasnt able to roll anything unfortunately

[pseudo fiber]

got something... okay

[bitter turtle]

right is definitely more usable than left

would still keep rolling though

as mentioned, crit dmg (and weakspot damage) are both terrible because of the way they are claculated

[tall torrent]

Swap both blessings

Imo

Perks are fine

[bitter turtle]

noooo keep no respite muh bayonet build

jk

[stuck basin]

is finesse important? I rolled a white Mk6 with almost perfect dmg but the finesse is only 67%

[bitter turtle]

every stat except mobility is important

[tall torrent]

Yes, but it’s still usable

First target is most important

[stuck basin]

ah

[pseudo fiber]

I've had this forever I know I should eat VoF off it. but just look at the roll

[tall torrent]

If u have low first target then it might be over

[bitter turtle]

the knife uniquely doesnt lose a dodge below 50 mobility

so just

dump it as much as you want

[stuck basin]

so this?

[tall torrent]

U might want to

[tall torrent]

This is usable

[bitter turtle]

ammo and stability are worthless

so its not as goo das you think it is

the other one is way better

[bitter turtle]

very good

now just pray it doesnt brick

[stuck basin]

everything dumped on mobility

[bitter turtle]

yeah

that is fine

most weapons need mobility 51

but knife doesnt lose a dodge etiher way

and the actual effect of mobility as a stat besides that is miniscule

[stuck basin]

this is what i got

[bitter turtle]

well

[stuck basin]

what should i tweak lol

sorry for all the noob questions

[bitter turtle]

maniacs kinda sucks but i'd just keep it i guess

[tall torrent]

Usable

[torn moat]

What's a good knife (mk3) + revolver build? I know it should use weapon spec, just not sure what perks to take to get there.

[tall torrent]

Swap crit dmg to carapace/elite

[bitter turtle]

just crit dmg -> carapace
ruthless -> uncanny

[tall torrent]

Ruthless to uncanny

[bitter turtle]

is what i'd do

[tall torrent]

And take serrated blade on ur talent tree

[torn moat]

Or should I go Rashad over mk3?

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b71c8d3090ffb57b6fe773fee5045159.png

[stuck basin]

or should I just use my Mk3 instead?

[bitter turtle]

mercy killer builds have to take this

i think mk6 has a far superior moveset

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is not as good as mk6 overall, imo

[bitter turtle]

i woul dtry mk6 out

[stuck basin]

I see

[bitter turtle]

both work

rashad minces hordes

[stuck basin]

thank you guys for all the feedbacks!

[bitter turtle]

way better though

so it might be a better pair with revo?

but honestly

knife is always decent

as a weapon in general

i'd just play whatever you think is more fun

they're both top melee weapons

[stuck basin]

I tried Rashad, but the moveset is a bit slow for my taste

[bitter turtle]

i would think about doing mk6 knife instead though

if you want to do revolver+knife

[tall torrent]

For knife, basically if u just want to light spam on horde, mk3 is better
For literally everything else, mk6 is better than mk3

[torn moat]

Mk3 is also better for speedy boi gameplay.

[tall torrent]

How come

[torn moat]

Heavy attack + Spring makes you move faster.

[bitter turtle]

the mk6 does that too

lol

[tall torrent]

Because mk6 hits the same breakpoints as mk3 with the same move speed buff

But has faster combo chain

[bitter turtle]

its the same on both knives

[torn moat]

Did they change that? It used to be Mk3 thrust gave you a speed boost, but Mk6 horizontal slash did not.

[bitter turtle]

i think you are mistaken

[tall torrent]

Mk6 slash always did iirc

[bitter turtle]

that was never the case and i tried it on release

[stuck basin]

This is the talent I have, any pointers?

[bitter turtle]

i would go smokes and c&k instead of wasting points taking krak and fire team

knife already deletes crushers

[tall torrent]

mk3 doesn't hit as fast @torn moat

[bitter turtle]

unless you want to stunlock a boss

krak doesnt hav etoo much meaning for you

[tall torrent]

smoke > serrated blad > move speed aura

[torn moat]

You're mistunderstanding. Mk3 lets you RUN faster. Not attack faster.

[tall torrent]

u don't need rending strikes

[stuck basin]

Im not really too good at dodging crusher overhead yet

[tall torrent]

yes mk6 also allows u to run fast

[torn moat]

misunderstanding*

[stuck basin]

thats why I used krak as insurance

[tall torrent]

it's the same move speed bonus

[bitter turtle]

that's fair but

i would start learning

its a crutch in this case, stops you from getting better if you rely on it

[white minnow]

mk6 h1 has a mildly slower speedboost than mk3 h1 and h2

though mk6 h2 and h3 have the same

[stuck basin]

Okie

[tall torrent]

Oh rly

What’s the difference

[white minnow]

i think it's like 1 m/s slower while holding the heavy

[late hatch]

I have to do the smite penance now. Not sure im prepared to go so slow

[torn moat]

Move speed is the same. But when you h1 attack, you literally lunge forward with the mk3. You do not with mk6. So if you hold down shift and just constantly heavy attack with Mk3. You'll run faster than you would with a mk6.

[bitter turtle]

you lunge forward on mk6 attacks as well

notice even the horizontal swings have the little push forward

when you swing

[tall torrent]

Ykw I’m gonna ask kuli

[torn moat]

As @white minnow said, not with the H1 attack. H2 and H3 might be the same. but if you're just spamming H1, Mk3 is superior.

[bitter turtle]

he said the runspeeds themselves are slightly different

which may be true

its not bc of a lack of lunge on mk6 though

[torn moat]

Mk6 lunge is less than mk3 on the H1.

[stuck basin]

How good is smoke grenade? Ive only heard negative comments about it. Mostly how useless it is

[bitter turtle]

pretty good

dont trust redditors

[stuck basin]

I like how you can tell I read it form Reddit lmao

[frank basin]

reddit people are doodoo most time

[bitter turtle]

redditors also think stay close is a good aura on ogryn despite the ogrynomicon even calling it subpar

[frank basin]

discord believe reddit darktide are no brainceller

[torn moat]

Smoke puts a minor dot on enemies and has some 'okay' CC effects for ranged enemies.

Overall, I'd say it's weaker than a shredder grenade for burst damage, but the lingering area denial has uses.

[bitter turtle]

shredder frags are the best but have kinda poor pathing if you dont need survivalist

[oblique totem]

Ok, I figured it out.

[bitter turtle]

the surrounding talenst are just awful

[stuck basin]

How do I use smoke grenades? Ive only used it for penance and thats it

[bitter turtle]

throw it at your feet or where you are going

enemies cant shoot you if you are in smoke

and specialists wont do their nets or whatever until they get niside the smoke

[frank basin]

or throw at the enemy

blinding them

[white minnow]

speedometer in the top-right to observe the sprinting speed while holding a heavy https://streamable.com/n35vmr

[torn moat]

Enemies will continue to shot your last position when you went into smoke... so if a gunner was already firing on you, you need to move.

[frank basin]

what a nice number

[bitter turtle]

no they dont

sec

uploading proof

[oblique totem]

Using either agile combatant and focus target or focus target and infiltration are enough to get one hit kills on Crushers with a chainsword

[torn moat]

That was literally the description of how heavy gunners work with smoke grenades? Unless something was changed with it.

[stuck basin]

new tree, how does this look>?

[bitter turtle]

idk but it literally doesnt work like that

[tall torrent]

yes it got changed

[bitter turtle]

anymore at least

[bitter turtle]

why did you go all the way over in the beginning

to surv

that's a waste of 2 pts

[stuck basin]

for the 5% dmg lol!

I have no idea what Im doing

[bitter turtle]

5% dmg is not worth 2 points

[frank basin]

so shooter stop shooting whole time? i don't remember do some shooter keeps shooting while in smoke?

[tall torrent]

also pls don't take exploit weakness on knife

[bitter turtle]

if they are in the smoke they can do stuff

to you

in the smoke

its like psyker bubble

literally

they have to be inside to do stuff to you

thats why it makes specialists somewhat less dangerous

[torn moat]

I'd get rid of 'Keep Thy head down' and repalce it with the middle (red) perk.

[stuck basin]

how so?

Im just learning

[rapid palm]

so why is the MK VI knife considered to be better than the MK III?

[frank basin]

what about throw at them as they inside smoke while player outside smoke?

[tall torrent]

it's useless because uncanny strike does the job 5x better

[bitter turtle]

if you crit something

it will die

so exploit weakness doe snothing

[stuck basin]

What about ranged weapon?

[bitter turtle]

it only works on m elee

'

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness only applies from melee attacks

[frank basin]

onslaught

[stuck basin]

Oh

[frank basin]

that perk does ranged armor reduction

[stuck basin]

Thank you for letting me know that. Shows what I know lmao

[frank basin]

onslaught like best one

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b35099fb46f552da856e606c72f79e9d.png

here

just do this

[torn moat]

It's not necessary better. Just different. It's better at horde control though. It has more horizontal attack patterns. Whereas Mk3 is mostly vertical.

[bitter turtle]

idr what your gun is

[frank basin]

hey im asking throwing smoke grenade at distance on their feet will they not shooting or moving out place?

[stuck basin]

I have 2 main weapons that I use

[frank basin]

i meant like throw smoke grenade at enemy feet

[bitter turtle]

it will not

do not throw it at enemies

that is useless

it will maybe

stagger them

sec

let me show you

but they will keep shooting

[torn moat]

They will run out of the smoke and start shooting again

[bitter turtle]

no

they will not

they will just keep shooting you

lol

sec

[frank basin]

you say like bubble shield get me idea throw at their feet if that work as they being blinded

[bitter turtle]

ok well

it doesnt owrk like bubble in that you cant bubble them and have them unable to shoot out

its not exactly like bubble

just my analogy

they stop for like half a seccond bc of the stagger lmao

[frank basin]

fs forgot that detail

[bitter turtle]

yeah

chucking it an enemies

all it does is make your team unable to see the enemies

lol

[frank basin]

both side can't see each other

but gunner shooter has x-ray eyes

[tall torrent]

@torn moat I ran a comparison test

[oblique totem]

Combine with executioner's stance

[tall torrent]

this is CB3 (80% mobility, +0.89 sprint speed) speed boost
I have +5% move speed aura

[bitter turtle]

you can see out of the smoke if you are inside it

[tall torrent]

takes 6.5s to cover 42m distance

[bitter turtle]

so it makes sense tbf

[stuck basin]

If we cant see the enemies, the enemies cant see us! taps forehead

[bitter turtle]

that is

way more true

than you think

sec

[tall torrent]

this is CB6 (78% mobility, +0.88 sprint speed) speed boost
also +5% move speed aura

it takes 6.54s to cover 42m distance

[wild vortex]

oooooo, the Melkman cometh

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1xybCT1_g

bullets dont exist if you dont look at them

[wild vortex]

that's not bad at all

[tall torrent]

so as far as I'm concerned with the overall move speed between the 2 variants when using speed boost is about the same

[stuck basin]

also thanks for the talent suggestion. I can now more reliably taking down enemies in melee

[wild vortex]

what do you actually use these with? Just VOC or viable for a stealth Vet?

[bitter turtle]

also one last demonstration, enemies can continue attacking you if they are inside the smoke with you

[pseudo fiber]

Damn you folks weren't lying. That infinite ammo is infinite.

[stuck basin]

also what do you guys do with ragers?

just light attack spam?

[frank basin]

dodge and hit dodge and hit

[tall torrent]

Don’t light spam elites with knife

[frank basin]

use your gun instead

[tall torrent]

You’re going to have a bad time

[tall torrent]

Works but not always necessary

U can dodge dance ragers

[frank basin]

i did said dodge and hit

[frank basin]

that's alternative solution

[bitter turtle]

ok

wow

i found out something funny

[stuck basin]

i read about special atack and then light attack

[bitter turtle]

@tall torrent you might wanna add this into guide

im testing more

but

[stuck basin]

but it kinda animation locks me

[tall torrent]

Wot

[bitter turtle]

smoke severely shortens trappers and flamers sight range

flamers are especially crippled

this you prob already knew

but

bombers

dont give a fuck

[tall torrent]

Don’t bother with throwing punches if you need to kill smth fast

[tall torrent]

Yea ik

[bitter turtle]

o

[tall torrent]

Bombers don’t need lock-on the same way that trappers & flamers do

[bitter turtle]

damn

suggs

[tall torrent]

What’s ur result

Cuz afaik they can’t throw bomb on u if they spawn and don’t have established lock-on on u

Might be untrue

[frank basin]

dod bomber has xray eyes?

[bitter turtle]

i am already standing in the smoke

then i spawn them

VERY far away

and they still lock on and chuck it at me

they just dont care

[elder fiber]

Bombers just don't respect vape nation

[tall torrent]

Bombers & bursters are the only specialists that completely ignore smoke right

[bitter turtle]

seems like it

bursters also dont cvare yeah

[tall torrent]

Every other specialist gets affected

[stuck basin]

so for smoke grenade, I just chuck it at my feet?

[bitter turtle]

dogs are super crippeld by it too

[bitter turtle]

yes

[stuck basin]

okie!

i'll give it a try

thanks

[bitter turtle]

flamers, they are just completely lost lol

[stuck basin]

thats funny lol

[frank basin]

Guardsmen, where are you, I just want warm you up with my nurgle fire.

[pseudo fiber]

Also I did some matches on VoC with iron will and without and oh my god that fucking talent lmfao

[tall torrent]

Smartest chaos worshipper:

[bitter turtle]

ill upload one for every specialist, sec

[tall torrent]

updated

[bitter turtle]

dogs

even more lost

[tall torrent]

HiHunt vs vape nation:

[pseudo fiber]

Appreciate the advice about helbore btw gamers. It seems VoC was the option

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

pass some gas

[tall torrent]

u got more?

[bitter turtle]

ya sec

ha dot do osmething

snipers, i missed it in the 7 sec record, but it interrupted their beam

[wild vortex]

which perk better to change?

unyielding or ranged crit?

[bitter turtle]

ranged crit probably but

ideal is unarmored+flak

so you're gonna have to compromise

[wild vortex]

yeah I know

[bitter turtle]

probably go flak

[wild vortex]

I'm just having really fucking shit luck with getting Vraks

[bitter turtle]

trappers are the smartest

their range is reduced

but they will still attack you

once they get inside

[tall torrent]

Bro is completely lost lmao

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile bombers just dont care lmao

[pseudo fiber]

you inspired me hang on

[bitter turtle]

oh

mutants also dont care

[tall torrent]

hmm

[grand perch]

what about nurgle beast?

[bitter turtle]

to puke, it needs to be very fclose to you now

mutants

beast of nurgle puke range, it normally can do it from much further away

[bitter turtle]

uh

i missed the puke

but trust me that it puked at that moment

lmao

[primal stirrup]

Nurg's you just shoot em in the back

[bitter turtle]

normal puke range

[wild vortex]

should you always take Deadshot on an exec stance build?

is it like mandatory?

[bitter turtle]

depends on the gun

so no

[wild vortex]

Vraks

[bitter turtle]

mandatory yes

imo

[wild vortex]

hmm oki

[bitter turtle]

deadly acccurate really helps you shore up damage vs maniacs

i dont even run exec v7

still take deadshot though

[primal stirrup]

Nej (that's no in swedish)

[sinful swallow]

Deadshot surgical DA v7 is halo reach dmr vs the world it feels like

It's literally the only other gun I'll use besides bolter

And that's even after hadron gave me one of these

[tall torrent]

@bitter turtle u wanna play rn

[sinful swallow]

Had to make it a bolt pistol

[bitter turtle]

rerecorded bon puke range under smoke

[wild vortex]

anything I'm doing insanely wrong here?

if anyone would be kind enough to advise

[bitter turtle]

i was actually gonna eat

right after i finsihed this

lmao

did you wanna see anything else or nah

[tall torrent]

Alr take ur time

[tall torrent]

It’s enough

[sinful swallow]

Rending on 10stacks and crouch are pretty unnecessary

[willow badger]

I have mixed feelings on left tree

[tall torrent]

What gun is this for

[wild vortex]

Vraks mk7

[tall torrent]

Ok don’t play that

[bitter turtle]

um

[tall torrent]

Scratch like 60% of the build lol

[bitter turtle]

yes

[wild vortex]

I want to play an exec stance build, but because I've just got my Vet up to 30 a few days ago, I don't have a lot of guns

[willow badger]

Honestly you don't need a baller gun to try out a build

[bitter turtle]

voc is better for v7 but

if you wanna do exec

here

[wild vortex]

I have like a laspistol, a not-totally-bricked revolver, a decent-ish Vraks I linked earlier, and I guess I could buy the Lawbringer Melk has up

[primal stirrup]

Ja (that's yes in german)

[sinful swallow]

There's 4 points I can see getting back without changing the build function looks like you want to chain headshots and get toughness back

[willow badger]

Just pick up some greys and try out the vibe

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9c97d0f9f038197050045389f89b95b2.png

you dont need determined prob because of exec

and i would still take focus target over marksman focus

more stamina

crits are reallyimportant for maniacs

[wild vortex]

I see

[bitter turtle]

the gun literally doe slike

2000 damage

vs 200 damage

on a crit headshot vs non crit bodyshot

[willow badger]

Also weird question anyone here only ever play vet

[bitter turtle]

10x difference

i wish i was joking

[willow badger]

I've never tried any other class

[wild vortex]

[willow badger]

And I'm like 300 hours in

[wild vortex]

that's insane

[bitter turtle]

yeah

on maniacs mind you

if you bodyshot a dreg rager

you will probably take like 8 or 9 bullets

vs 2 if you headshot

assuming you crit the body a few times

but still

you might be able to 1tap it even

since you have exec

[sinful swallow]

This why I like marksmans focus on v7

Finesse scales difference of wkpoint and critical from base which v7 has a huge difference

[bitter turtle]

marksman focus is ok but i dont think its worth it when all it really does is 1tap dreg ragers

id rather have more stamina

[bitter turtle]

yeah but like you alr 1 tap everything

except maulers and dreg ragers

so i like focus for target down alone basically

[sinful swallow]

Stam Regen node on focus should be always up

[willow badger]

I'm ngl just melee maulers they are fun to fight

[bitter turtle]

since it helps supplement ET

which doesnt work on melee kill

and also is a lot of stam

[sinful swallow]

Hmmm I see

[bitter turtle]

10% back minimum per elite killed

both work though

its just my preference

[sinful swallow]

Id have to see if MF is actually achieving breakpoints or not

While ramped up if it pushes you into rager one shots vs needing certain amount of focus target stacks

[somber axle]

AT LAST

[sinful swallow]

That's an actual gameplay difference

[somber axle]

I CAN FINALLY RETURN TO VETERAN

[sinful swallow]

Welcome back

[somber axle]

it's good to be home

in the circus I know

Psyker, Zealot and Ogryn done

[sinful swallow]

[somber axle]

now just gotta farm the last penances to 4500

[pseudo fiber]

Get em done soldier

[tall torrent]

I have a very funny zealot build that u should try

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[somber axle]

I am down to try it possibly tomorrow

[bitter turtle]

You should be able to 1shot scab ragers on a crit by default at least

[somber axle]

working at 8 am tomorrow and unfortunately it is almost 10 pm now

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1241916792973164575/funny_EVI15.mov?ex=664bf0a5&is=664a9f25&hm=7e8857d6ea25bfcb0ad517ae478992fd2753516d87a858177109b2ecd0719aee&

[somber axle]

sleep soon for the clown

[somber axle]

LMFAO

that is pretty funny

[willow badger]

How does vet feel compared to other classes

[wild vortex]

I will try this build tomorrow

[sinful swallow]

Feels like the tree has too many taxes

[somber axle]

Veteran is my most played class by far. I have 700+ games played on Veteran, 100-ish on Psyker and Zealot, 75 on Ogryn

[midnight totem]

Ugh, fml

[wild vortex]

probably fail and fall flat the first few matches but whatever, that's how I learn

[somber axle]

I love Vet so much for the versatility of being a deadly creature at all ranges

I can delete everything lightning fast

[bitter turtle]

How often did it get stuck in practice btw

[somber axle]

Zealot feels like a melee monster, Ogryn is an unstoppable force, Psyker wipes rooms

[tall torrent]

A couple times

[bitter turtle]

Out of curiosity

[willow badger]

I honestly prefer being melee get over actually shooting things ngl

[midnight totem]

Damnation Maelstrom and I went down at the end

[somber axle]

But Veteran is killing everything, everywhere, the instant it enters line of sight

and it is good to be back

[tall torrent]

But I mostly used [SP > L1 > L2]

[bitter turtle]

Ah ok

The psword gameplay

[tall torrent]

I didn’t bother with L3

Because

[bitter turtle]

Not illsi

[willow badger]

What ranged do you run

[somber axle]

that's fair and the melee in this game does feel really good

[tall torrent]

L2 chains into block way faster than L1 and L3 do

[bitter turtle]

Or halfway in between ig

And ah

[tall torrent]

U can cancel L2 with block, but not L1 and L3

[willow badger]

I just brain off and power sword stuff is gúd

[bitter turtle]

Good to know if I try it

[tall torrent]

It does get stuck on thick hordes

But

With bloodthirsty + FotF Cdr up

Not the biggest issue

Because it’s still an ok weapon at basic light spam

The idea was to make rev way better and it is way better

[somber axle]

Tbh anything and everything but I main Recon Mk VId. My other weapons I swap frequently between are Helbore Mk II, Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun, Accatran Laspistol Mk II, Agripina Shotgun, Vraks VII Headhunter Autogun and Boltgun

[tall torrent]

Also

It puts out pretty decent boss dmg

[willow badger]

Respectable

[somber axle]

The only guns I don't like using at all are Shredder Autopistol, Braced Autoguns, Infantry Autoguns and Plasma

[sinful swallow]

True veteran energy

[somber axle]

either because they're too weak or too strong

[tall torrent]

The crusher 1 shot is actually not that great?

[willow badger]

Mkvid is not a common pick these days

[somber axle]

or because I don't like how the guns feel

[bitter turtle]

I figure

[tall torrent]

Maybe because teammates aren’t doing Jack shit the games I played

[bitter turtle]

I did a meme bloodthirsty mk 13 chs earlier

In a melee only mael

All I felt

[willow badger]

I think my fave these days is the mk IV infantry las

[bitter turtle]

W as that I wish I brought my knife instead lol

[tall torrent]

Also bloodthirsty has a timer

It’s 5s

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[midnight totem]

Lights Out and I failed one crusher dance

[somber axle]

All of the guns are viable up to Auric Damnation but for Maelstroms the weaker weapons are definitely a real struggle to use

[bitter turtle]

I knew that alr though

[tall torrent]

So it’s not like

The best thing ever at chaining multiple crusher kills

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[tall torrent]

But the 1 big thing I remembered was that

[bitter turtle]

That was my experience

[willow badger]

I just can never really jive with the helbore for whatever reason. I suspect my aim is just bad

[tall torrent]

Teammate kept kiting crusher away from me so I can’t delete them

[bitter turtle]

Even worse if some fuck kills the crusher while you Rev it

[tall torrent]

And my bloodthirsty timer ran out

That felt bad

[bitter turtle]

Yep

That too

[tall torrent]

Buff bloodthirsty and make it infinite timer just like scattershot pls

[full nacelle]

My entire team died to regular-ass infested in the first 2 minutes of the mission on damnation

sometimes it just be like that

[midnight totem]

How are you, Sneaky. Back on Vet I see?

[somber axle]

Most Vets are running the meta that is Zarona Revolver, Plasma gun or Columnus Infantry Autogun. I can't really blame them because the weapons are all crazy strong in their own ways and have a lot of ease of use. Very low skill floor. A new Vet can pick them up and fight very effectively with relative ease. Even bad Vets can use the weapons to carry bad behaviors. They shine in the hands of good Vets. All three are just very good weapons as far as balance is concerned

[tall torrent]

It’s a lot more engaging than normal XV evicerator gameplay tho for sure

[somber axle]

There's also not really much of a skill ceiling to any of them either LMFAO

[tall torrent]

I managed to not give myself brain dmg while playing that thing

[somber axle]

there's not a whole lot to master with the guns

maybe some learning on Plasma venting

[tall torrent]

I merely gave my teammates brain dmg

[somber axle]

which also isn't very hard to learn

[full nacelle]

The revolver at least has some skill ceiling with reloading and making the most of your shots

[somber axle]

I like to struggle or find funny guns that do funny things like Lawbringer Shotgun Manstopper Scattershot

[tall torrent]

Revolver is the easiest 1 tap gun in the game tho

[somber axle]

Post-Survivalist Aura nerf kiiiinda but the rounds are also head-seeking and hard to miss + have insane bullet cleave for killing multiple gunners/ragers in a row and shooting through Ogryns without care

[full nacelle]

true, not saying it isn't the strongest in that department

[midnight totem]

Each on of my five vet layouts all have different weapons, I demand it

[stuck basin]

do you guys do hand cannon and surgical or hand cannon and roulette?

[tall torrent]

Surgical hand cannon

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver is ridiculously easy to pick up and play

[stuck basin]

ive seen ppl argue about using roulette because of the time it takes for surgical to buff

[midnight totem]

Surgical handcannon, but you won't die if you have crucian instead of surgical

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver can get some benefit from Crucian if you're spamming shots FAST but if you're even waiting a second or two between shots Surgical will have much more value

Zarona Revolver wants Hand Cannon and Surgical ALWAYS

[stuck basin]

okie

[midnight totem]

I ran a crucian handcannon zarona for the longest time because it was my best with other perks and stats and it worked just fine

[bitter turtle]

Personally I think crucian is a meme even on the fan

[somber axle]

Yeah it's not bad

[bitter turtle]

I run sustained fire on mine if I don't do surg

20 percent dmg boost on 2nd to 4th bullet

[somber axle]

not like having any of the other Non-Crucian/Non-Surgical/Non-Hand Cannon blessings instead

it's passable

just not as effective as Surgical for a Zarona

[bitter turtle]

Yeah zarona is no question

[midnight totem]

My zealot uses a crucian/surgical

[somber axle]

that's a lot of crit

[bitter turtle]

Don't think any other pair is remotely competitive

[somber axle]

you don't need Hand Cannon's rending?

[midnight totem]

Pfff. Not to take out specials

Anything that needs Rending he kills in close combat instead

[somber axle]

I mostly mean for Crushers but like yeah Zealot can just shred them in melee instead LOL

[bitter turtle]

Lemme guess

You run fotf too

[midnight totem]

Fotf?

[bitter turtle]

Fury

[somber axle]

Zarona Revolver is probably comfortably 1HKOing almost all other elites/specials anyway

[midnight totem]

Ah. Nah the fotf build uses a flamethrower and stun nades

This is on my zealot's martyr with chorus

And crusher maul

It's my "FRONTLINE FOREVER" build

[bitter turtle]

I was thinking fury bc fotf makes the concept of armor not exist to zealot

[midnight totem]

That build can hold any number of crushers in melee

It won't kill any of them quickly

But knocking them down makes me happy

[somber axle]

go bowling

always hit strikes

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-bowling-ball-bowling-strike-twitter-gif-25313962

[midnight totem]

My fury build goes with the mk2 evis, stun grenades, and a flamer

Old fashioned zealot

My stealth hammer uses an agrippina, knives and martyr

And I have a stealth heavy eviscerator with revolver, knives, and lethal momentum

[somber axle]

stealth with chainswords is funny

rev chainsword while approaching

heretics sweating as the sound of a chainsaw gets LOUDER AND LOUDER but they can't see anything

[midnight totem]

I imagine them like "what's that sound? Frank is that your chainsword?"

"Nope. I'm not using on- oh shit"

[somber axle]

imagine the pure terror of just standing with your squad on watch and then suddenly there's a LOUD chainsaw sound starting up that just gets LOUDER AND LOUDER until suddenly Frank has a chainsaw so far up his ass he has a new set of teeth

[midnight totem]

It's the mkx evis, so I actually sweep them at head level from the back and get easy progress on that loner penance

Well, I don't use loner anymore since I'm finished with it, but yeah

[somber axle]

oh that's a smarter way of doing Loner

I did it with knife exclusively and it took so long

mostly because of the DUCKLINGS

new players/players new to a class following me relentlessly even into their own doom for no other reason than their brain screaming at them "stick together, together is safe!!"

[midnight totem]

That event in enclavum baross was where I made my most progress

[somber axle]

the 5000 Heavy Hitter kills on Ogryn took the longest by far to grind

Lucky Bullet was comparatively easy to do

[midnight totem]

I camped the climb up until shooters spawned

[somber axle]

500 Krak penance was fine

but the 5000 heavy hitter thing felt like it took FOREVER

Loner too

[midnight totem]

Stopped hacking away, stealth. WHACK

[somber axle]

Heavy Hitter and Loner penances are the worst class penances I've had to do by far

[midnight totem]

Working on heavy hitter now

[somber axle]

Heavy Hitter isn't even hard, just very grindy

[midnight totem]

I know

It should be like

3k kills

[somber axle]

it'd be better if it was only 3k kills

still grindy but not nearly as awful

[midnight totem]

Even most other penance that require so many kills, you get progress from allies in coherency

Anyway

I got sloppy at the end of that damnation lights out today

[bitter turtle]

Heavy hitter is made worse

Bc if you take bleed on heavies

[midnight totem]

Should never have gone down to that crusher

[bitter turtle]

It slows you down even more lol

Cause bleed kills don't count

[midnight totem]

Brain was fried picking up the other vet for the 5th time and my two zealots with me kept getting swamped in melee

How do you get swamped by melee as a zealot?!

[somber axle]

ducklings

players unfamiliar with the class throwing themselves into the deep end of the pool trying to hope someone floats them for their penance points

[radiant chasm]

i'd honestly just take a haymaker club

[midnight totem]

Also I thought lights out

[radiant chasm]

then agian, i'm doing goryn penances last

[midnight totem]

Was supposed to spawn daemon hosts

I didn't see a single daemon host that game

[bitter turtle]

More common but not guaranteed

[midnight totem]

Lame

One more psyker game for all psyker penance completed

Another 25 games for zealot

Ogryn needs 25 games, heavy hitter, lucky bullets almost done. Frag bombs halfway there

[slow spade]

Imagine going for penances when you could be playing plasma + psword VOC vet instead

[midnight totem]

Only time I played plasma and ps was against hard mode twins

Which was yesterday, got that done

[bitter turtle]

You never change sister

Always playing with your food

There's no flavor without sport

[midnight totem]

I set myself the job of killing every fucking elite that spawned and letting my team handle the twins

Did it on that first try

[sinful swallow]

What's the difference between hard mode and regular damnation

Is it basically just hi int

[bitter turtle]

If you die

You die forever

Irl even

Fatshark sends a hit squad

[sinful swallow]

Brb throwing a run

Finally the sweet release

[radiant chasm]

auric= the game director will never be forgiving/favor the players

[bitter turtle]

But srsly

No rescues

[radiant chasm]

oh do you mean hardmode twins?

no rescues, the boss fight/mechanics is harder and more adds spawn iirc

[sinful swallow]

No rescues and auric director? No dmg modifier or anything?

Ive been putting off that penance because I can't be assed to go ring the bells lol

[radiant chasm]

no it might not have the auric director, I was mistaken and forgot hard mode twins existed

and my brain defaulted "hardmode"-> auric

[sinful swallow]

Oh lol

Yeah no talking about the twins puzzle encounter

[bitter turtle]

Thwre are more spawns in HM

[sinful swallow]

I kinda wish there were more variants to the assassination missions

I want more maps with disposal unit soundtrack

How crazy would it REALLY be to have us take on a chaos space marine

[bitter turtle]

No space marines

😠

[radiant chasm]

Not really we already kill plenty of monstros that are close, if not stronger than space marines

[bitter turtle]

I mean more

[radiant chasm]

Opps wrong reply

[bitter turtle]

I don't want space marines

Oh

[radiant chasm]

Yea tiny mobile screen

Big ferret paws

[somber axle]

I don't know a lot about 40k lore but is fighting a chaos space marine, particularly the nurgle variant, even feasible for a squad of rejects to pull off?

[radiant chasm]

You see the issue

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

No but it's also not feasible we aren't dead yet from fighting a bon

[sinful swallow]

BoN and daemonhosts are far more powerful than you'd get from gameplay

[bitter turtle]

So who cares

[somber axle]

I thought they were borderline immortal

[sinful swallow]

And guardsmen with plasma guns easily outmatch

[radiant chasm]

We have the feats to prove it already we killed 2 juiced traitor captains and the monstros

[somber axle]

Those are stronger than chaos space marines?

[bitter turtle]

BoN are supposed to corrode you to a pool of nurglish slop by just standing next to you

[sinful swallow]

Just really tough but they die all the time

[bitter turtle]

But we can get eaten and go "ok"

[radiant chasm]

Anywyas, the reason for no deathguard/csm is just the no space marine policy for this game

[bitter turtle]

Ye and I prefer it stays that way

[sinful swallow]

What other monsters could we realistically fight

[radiant chasm]

Fatshark doesn’t want the focus to be taken off the enemy within and humanity and blah blah blah they take over every story they are put in

[radiant chasm]

Tox Ogryns

[bitter turtle]

Rotflies

Would be interesting

Flying enemy boss

[radiant chasm]

I don’t think fatshark could program rotflies without the game exploding

[bitter turtle]

Well

[sinful swallow]

Was literally my first thought

[bitter turtle]

If they could

It would be interesting

[radiant chasm]

For sure

[bitter turtle]

😔

[somber axle]

We have a flesh tree. Give us a room covered in Nurgle flesh where tendrils and mouths and eyes spawn through the walls and floor and ceiling to strike at us. We battle the environment desperately trying to survive while hordes, specials and elites filter into this heart of darkness until we can purge it and stop the putrid heartbeat for good

[bitter turtle]

We also haven't fought plaguebearers

[sinful swallow]

Gives me gears 2 riftworm vibes and I'm here for it

[radiant chasm]

I think if any monstro is coming it’s tox ogryn. Tox bomber was unfinished in the code so i think tox ogryn is next

[somber axle]

Have mouths exhale pox gas

[radiant chasm]

I’m pretty sure daemonic infantry will pad out the dreg roster

And that will be when we go into the underhive

[bitter turtle]

Idk how interesting a plaguebearer would be though tbf

[radiant chasm]

Since that is where the dreg leadership is and confirmed daemonic forces, not just the single bons we fight

[bitter turtle]

Probably an infested elite with super armor

Not that interesting

[radiant chasm]

It would probably be the equivalent of scab mauler

[bitter turtle]

Ya

Super armor as in unstaggerable if ppl aren't familiar with fg terminology

Saw ppl suggest nurgling loot gremlins too

[radiant chasm]

Oh def not that, they would probably deal most if not all corruption damage tho

And have high hp

Hopefully they would be infested to help balance out the armor type inbalanca

[bitter turtle]

Ya

Would be cool to hear them counting

As they approach

[sinful swallow]

Honestly that'd be pretty awesome

[bitter turtle]

Thematically cool I just think a little boring gameplay tho

It'd just be a buff super armored infested elite guy

Like a mauler ye

[somber axle]

More infested enemies would be nice

[sinful swallow]

I mean just the idea of basically another faction to fill out the type imbalance and get more pallete/variety in units

[somber axle]

Poxwalkers and Hounds are not enough to make infested damage feel worth it ever

[bitter turtle]

Maybe make them have extremely high hp pools but you can blow off their limbs to weaken them but they keep coming at you

They are supposed to not really care and shrug off atks

[sinful swallow]

I wouldn't want that on trash mobs

[bitter turtle]

They wouldn't be traau

Trash

[sinful swallow]

For the specialist/elite sure

[bitter turtle]

Plaguebearers are definitely elite tier

Maybe give them more hp than crusher/bulwark to offset the armor type

They need to feel bulky and hard to kill

[sinful swallow]

They'd really stick out in maps besides like hourglass and hab dreyko

I was just thinking

[radiant chasm]

See the running theory is that daemons won’t be a new faction

They will just be added to round out the dreg faction, as well as dreg sorcerors

[sinful swallow]

You can't really tell tertium is falling to nurgle besides the mobs screaming about it every 2 seconds

[radiant chasm]

Once spireside falls and they could “open up” the underhive and start sending out daemons

[radiant chasm]

Torrent is absolutely fucked, chasm terminus is sprouting the garden of nurgle and manufactorum has a chronic corruptor infection

[sinful swallow]

Now we're talking

[radiant chasm]

Torrent we last see chronologically in the twins mission and it is way more messed up

[sinful swallow]

Yeah I forgot about that

[radiant chasm]

Hourglass, it’s too hot and dry for nurgle to come through but the poor living conditions is perfect for disease and they are using old vaults and machines to make diseases and hacking into comms to spread corrupting noise

[bitter turtle]

I think rot flies could work as a unique boss at least

[umbral scaffold]

can't have shit in the torrent

[bitter turtle]

Like twins

[sinful swallow]

Oh yeah there's terminus with the crystal extract

[bitter turtle]

With a special arena

[sinful swallow]

I forgot about that demonic infestation

[radiant chasm]

Hab dreyko is chasm terminus iirc

And would be the latest mission chronologically even tho DT doesn’t really keep to that

[sinful swallow]

Yeah it's like upper, but it shows it's deeper rooted and is sprouting upwards too

Like it's permeating through rather than just spreading through the labs and all underground

[radiant chasm]

Right now throneside is untouched cause the heretics only recently managed to break in there. No real corruption in any of the missions besides graffiti

Once spireside falls due to whatever the corrupt noble house is planning they could start dirtying up throneside

[stuck basin]

@bitter turtle I really enjoy the new knife build, thanks again

[bitter turtle]

Np

Glad you like it

Try infiltrate for even more fun

[stuck basin]

actually able to knife crushers are perfect

[bitter turtle]

Yep

Knife is great for melee only mael

For that reason

[stuck basin]

smoke greanedes area ctually a nice touch as well

[bitter turtle]

Yep

They're really pretty useful

[stuck basin]

got my team out of clutch a few times

[bitter turtle]

people just meme about them

they were awful (once) but they got buffed in like 3 edifferent ways

now its a pretty good alternative to frags

frags still best but

[frank ether]

I think kraks and shredders took some minor nerfs at some point

but I don't recall specifics

overall my only issue is I wish I could choose a grenade without altering pathing at all

[bitter turtle]

this was my melee mael last night with agri volver/knife

https://i.gyazo.com/b123369475f11710e1d338bb43842fad.png

[stuck basin]

i throw it on a downed teammate and able to revive them unmolested

[bitter turtle]

knikfe just cuts through carapace really fast

[bitter turtle]

yeah, honestly the demo videos i did earlier

made me realize a lot of specialists are affected even more badly than i thought

like flamers and dogs

just become dumb

though not working on bombers is rough

[frank ether]

its fine

I think vet got buffed enough

[stuck basin]

if its a bomber i just leave my teammates to die

if he dies he dies

[tame lodge]

I had like three vets with smokes recently, oh man it was noticeable that they weren't familiar with it

[bitter turtle]

A lot of people still think you're supposed to chuck them at the gunners

Which doss absolutely nothing