veteran-class

[twin ingot]

Watch TTS if you want entertaining and informative stuff about 40k

Though TTS isn't fully accurate sometimes

Wish they didn't cancel it

[craggy ridge]

Pretty sure Warhammer sent them a cease and desist

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c044407-cebd-49ed-85d4-fa576617d8e6/trad-vet

Thoughts?

[twin ingot]

they said they didn't but cancelled the show in fear of one

as all the episodes are still up on youtube

[agile forge]

It's 2024 now anyway, the year of the fem primarchs

[bitter turtle]

based malcador

we could have had amazonian primarch women

instead the emperor had to be boring

another L for the corpse king

[bitter turtle]

you take twinned blast

but not precision strikes

or desperado

on knife

i am confused

[dreamy spade]

Grenade tinker and double just work well with nade regen

[bitter turtle]

im not saying its completely useless with frags

but its precision strikes

and desperado

on a finesse melee

the finesse melee

[dreamy spade]

I would take fire team to save me 2 nodes but i need the ammo regen

I was also going to take columnus but infernus was too tempting with the high crit chance

[wanton dawn]

Twin and tinketer are dmg boost, but it is weird to improve 'nade damage over finesse dmg

I only take them if i have point to spare

[bitter turtle]

why would you take fire team

i dont understand

genuinely

[dreamy spade]

To save 2 nodes

[bitter turtle]

or you could just

not take twinned blast and tinker

and grab much more significant nodes

i mean

[dreamy spade]

But the booms

[bitter turtle]

do what you want

but you asked for thoughts

my thoughts are "use another melee if you are going to skip those 2"

[dreamy spade]

I'll remove mercy killer because that isnt great

[bitter turtle]

also yeah, charismatic over CK?

that's also weird

[dreamy spade]

50% aura is better bruh, all the other talents benefit

[frank ether]

💀

[trim hemlock]

Very dangerous thoughts have entered this chat

[frank ether]

zero toughness regen talents on a vet build is honestly impressive

[dreamy spade]

Close order drill, survivalist, voc, for the emperor, demolition team

Voc with tactical awareness and combat ability regen is enough

[trim hemlock]

Combat ability regen what, curio properties?

[dreamy spade]

Yeah

[trim hemlock]

Why do you use that in every build lmao

It’s like 3 seconds less VoC cooldown

That’s REALLY not much

[dreamy spade]

3.6🤓

[bitter turtle]

and then it gets wasted anyway because you killed 5 specialists

:^)

jk

[bitter turtle]

what other talents anyway

you mean like survivalist?

[dreamy spade]

These

All benefit

[bitter turtle]

well

i cant say you're objectively wrong on that at least

if you dont get hit you dont need toughness regen anyway

:^)

still

i go back to

just run another melee if you're gonna skip all the finesse nodes

[dreamy spade]

HOL UP

Why dont I take shock trooper then I can go fire team

[wanton dawn]

Taking charismatic over CK is certainly bold

[trim hemlock]

Hm. Would Charismatic also expand the area in which Focus Target keystone bonuses are applied from Redirect Fire and Target Down?

[agile forge]

Is this a grenadier keystone build?

I have got to build one of those

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

well

that looks a lot more reasonable

though

oh ok

[winged warren]

@tall torrent if running ADS crit build, and i mainly want to kill crushers and bulwarks fast
surgical --> pinning,
reload --> cara?

[bitter turtle]

its mk7

i think it should be fine then

was gonna say

im pretty su re 6d needs both surv and shocktrooper

you might manage with 7 on just shocktrooper though

[bitter turtle]

don thipfire bolter on vet

[winged warren]

so sorry can you rephrase

[bitter turtle]

i can see that you are aiming for a hipfire bolter build

im suggesting you don't

[winged warren]

ooo

[bitter turtle]

its very ineffective

basically every "why is bolter so ammo inefficient and does no damage!" complaint comes down to said person hipfiring bolter

[dreamy spade]

Yeah because you have to be 1 nanometer away to hit weakspots

[bitter turtle]

its a flavor fail, but bolter needs to be played as a DMR to be competitive rn

[winged warren]

so skill tree issue or weapon issue

[trim hemlock]

Genuine concern: would Bolter benefit more from 10% reload speed or 2 stamina

[wanton dawn]

Mostly weapon. Though surv nerf did not help

[bitter turtle]

skill tree wise

i would take precision strikes

but aside from that

its ok

bolter has very high finesse rn though

precision strikes benefits it a lot

[wanton dawn]

Also bolter ads has +5% crit

[bitter turtle]

ill warn you beforehand though

even if you fix the weapon into a proper DMR bolter

its not going to do what you were setting out to do

(kill crushers)

that efficiently

it does it fast enough but its not ammo efficient to do so no matter how you build it really

[winged warren]

[bitter turtle]

if you want to hipfire dump into crushers, play zealot bolter

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is better used to kill non ogryn elite and special

[bitter turtle]

fotf -> bolter hipfire = actually good crusher killing

[dreamy spade]

If you want to play bolter be a space marine

[bitter turtle]

if you want a reference

[winged warren]

only can kill three crushers per mag max, very sad

[bitter turtle]

a dmr bolter can kill like 2 crusher in 1 mag

so given what you said

[winged warren]

no more reason to play DT until new weapons drop

[bitter turtle]

doing hipfire blessings only improves it by 1 crusher

not really worth

when you give up being able to 1tap all the non-ogryn elites

[winged warren]

Quit Game

[bitter turtle]

😔

[winged warren]

whats precision strikes?

[bitter turtle]

30% weakpoint damage

[winged warren]

so sorry where is it

[agile forge]

Left tree

[bitter turtle]

left tree, same line as deadshot

[winged warren]

i donm't get how ciag exist but boltgun is just

[bitter turtle]

no

you mean

you dont get hot ciag exist but shredder autopistol is just

literally just the same gun bu t worse

[wanton dawn]

Simple: bolter and shredder were carried by pinning

[bitter turtle]

i dont deny that

-80% dmg

[winged warren]

[bitter turtle]

a tleast bolter still playable

[wanton dawn]

Ppl were even saying shredder was better than bolter

[bitter turtle]

you mean pre nerf or post nerf

[agile forge]

I dodged a lobby the other day because I saw a psyker with shredder

[wanton dawn]

(It wasnt either way)

[agile forge]

I could feel the Kinetic flayer from before the game even started

[bitter turtle]

i could see it at least pre nerf

like

not bc it was better

but it wasd efinitely even more brainless and easy

just run at things and spray

even if they are far away u did so much dmg it still killed them

[agile forge]

It was a lot more practical than the bolter

Different specialisation

[white minnow]

coward

[agile forge]

Kinetic flayer users just piss me off lol

[white minnow]

you will see it proc on a single trapper in the game and you will be happy

[old quail]

the autopistol should just be the lawbringer of automatic weapons

[agile forge]

If I'm tilted before we even start

[white minnow]

lmao

entering a game already aggro'd

[wanton dawn]

Sad and underpowered ? It is then

[old quail]

there are too many full auto hipfire decent mobility weapons to have another one with the same exact niche

[bitter turtle]

i really want autopistol to have built in sprint firing

[agile forge]

Then they could honestly play it super well and carry with it maybe but I'll still play like shit

Idk I'm autistic and easily put off

[bitter turtle]

like i dont think it will mak eit viable

but

its a start

and gives it an identity at least

[old quail]

lawbringer is pretty funny with anything that stacks enough crit chance

[white minnow]

oh yeah no worries

i'm just jesting around

[old quail]

the autopistol should be able to apply specific types of debuffs/dots to enemies

[white minnow]

can't trust pubs to unironically run certain weapons

[bitter turtle]

like why the fuck does revovler have run n gun but not shredder

[old quail]

fatshark will never make a positive change to do with sprinting

its always something awful like removing sprint cancel from rippers or fucking with weapons action timings because people are doing something they don't want them to do with sprinting

[bitter turtle]

i will drop bolter if they remove the swap tech with sprint

[old quail]

exe stance and weapon specialist should both have swap speed

weapon specialist should get it instead of the 20% stam cost reduction upgrade node

[bitter turtle]

nooo

or

wait

nvm

i thought you meant the restore 20% stam on swap

[old quail]

the only people who take it are the guys who play one side of a tree and pick every talent

[bitter turtle]

ye that one is uselss

[old quail]

it's structured so badly u have to take the 20% stam first and then its like

why would i ever pick this node

[bitter turtle]

tbf

same with reload speed on the other side after always prepared

the only one to ever consider it is shotgun

[old quail]

the reload speed one should just make the bullets not take from reserve

[bitter turtle]

and even then

i dont think its worth the point

[old quail]

all the vet keystones should have ways to regenerate ammo

[wanton dawn]

My favorite ws support node is no support node

[bitter turtle]

i only do invigorated if i pick anythin gunder

[old quail]

weapon specialist's problem is that it should have talents that favor different weapon types

it should be like "pick your flavor of better at guns" instead of "use single shot weapons or this keystone is kinda sad"

[bitter turtle]

idk

isnt it fine the way it is to favor some weapon over other?

MF favors automatic

wep specialist favor single shot

focus works on everything but is less pronounced as a buff

[old quail]

the problem is it's in the commando tree

and the theme i get is more of a "in the face of the bad guys doing cool stuff" and a lot of the time when you see stuff you would think fits into that category theyll have like an SMG or something

[white minnow]

MF favoring automatics is just a consequence of baseline weapons dealing more than enough damage to enemies and practically almost never really needing it for breakpoints for any weapon in practice

[bitter turtle]

yeah that is true

but

[old quail]

and yeah marksman isn't really intended to have that vibe

[bitter turtle]

i unironically think

it might be that by design

no hear me out

FS did it on purpose

[white minnow]

yeah it'll still have a part of that inherently in its design

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9a0b33d989358a401d94c415d177420e.png

this guy is ramboing

[white minnow]

infantry weapons being able to reach BPs

[bitter turtle]

in the picture

for marskman side of tree

unironically it hink they intended it for automatic

maybe im giving them too much credit

[old quail]

i will not let the cave scrawlings of a talented concept artist dictate what the keystone does

[bitter turtle]

lul

[old quail]

dude if you look at some of the concept art you will be severely disappointed in some of the stuff in this game

none of the torrent maps look HALF as good as the concept art

[bitter turtle]

but look

https://i.gyazo.com/3342a56b2cdcdaffbaba119b8779d4fd.png

commando tree

is SNIPING

COINCIDENCE?

https://i.gyazo.com/035fbdd2d2c556eacef67f3c300eb238.png

[old quail]

the mechanical issue is that weapon specialist has dead nodes

[bitter turtle]

and middle tree is telling ppl do shit

like... SHOUTING

👻

[old quail]

and some of the current single-shot weapons are basically locked from using weapon specialist because of some of the drawbacks

like bolter

[white minnow]

i love my two nodes of weapon spec

[old quail]

it shouldnt be a great idea but u should have some benefit to running weapon specialist bolter

[bitter turtle]

there are three ok

dont sleep on invigorated

its actually good for knife

[white minnow]

weapon spec does help for automatics for the fire rate though it's whatevs
weapon swap speed would be nice

[rigid pilot]

Weapon spec bolter with exe stance...?

[bitter turtle]

the fire rate is niche but it works well with some

[old quail]

doesn't work

[bitter turtle]

really enjoy it on v3

[old quail]

the auto swap doesnt trigger weapon specialist

has been bugged since the keystone launched and reported

[rigid pilot]

That's lame

[old quail]

never fixed

[bitter turtle]

obv swap first with sprint tech and then activate exec :^)

[rigid pilot]

But even if it worked it still scuffed

[old quail]

helbore is another one

where u kinda struggle to do it

although surgical being 100% crit is part of the problem

[rigid pilot]

They can probably remove the toughness Regen node for weapon swap

[old quail]

nah that one is cool

[rigid pilot]

Or make it base kit

[old quail]

i would take weapon swap speed over fire rate baseline and then make fire rate an upgrade

but that may be more controversial

[agile forge]

Weapon spec is for pretending to be a revolver zealot

[rigid pilot]

I think that's good

[bitter turtle]

i think that makes sense

[rigid pilot]

Fire rate is meh anyway

[bitter turtle]

swapping is core to the ability after all

fire rate is niche and only really effective on a narrow slice of guns

that want it

[old quail]

yea i dont like fire rate buffs on most weapons

[bitter turtle]

i think i only care on laspistol and v3

out of the wep specialist guns i use

[white minnow]

the bane of having to reload

[old quail]

if i play weapon specialist with an automatic i have always forgotten about the fire rate and it jumpscares me the first time

[wanton dawn]

It is fun on agri brauto

[rigid pilot]

I played a brauto weapon spec but the swap takes a little too long

[bitter turtle]

i heard agriag likes it as well

and brauto i presume

[old quail]

i played a bunch of columnus brauto zealot and went back to the agri once and my eyes hurt when the brace zoomed in

and i havent touched the gun since

[agile forge]

Columnus brauto is bad iirc

Columnus IAG is where it's at

[old quail]

"bad" in that relative to the other brautos it has some shortcomings but it's perfectly viable

[agile forge]

The other two Braced autoguns are better than the columnus braced

[white minnow]

the difference ends up not being that much between the BAGs besides the agri having its fat ass 3 cleave

[agile forge]

But not super sure, I haven't fucked with BAGs much at all

[bitter turtle]

i think all the iag/brauto are pretty much close enough that they are all pretty damn good weapons

[old quail]

the game doesn't have enough of a balance disparity at this point for anything but some of the extremely awful guns to be hard to play with

[bitter turtle]

they p much do the same things anywa yjust w/ minor differences

[old quail]

the damage per mag is really nice with the columnus

because u can treat any flak target as unarmored with chastise

[rigid pilot]

IAG or BAG?

[white minnow]

ah that's BAG

[frank ether]

yea ws and mf kinda backwards a bit

[white minnow]

making a preemptive disclaimer that i don't think BAGs are an optimal pick

[frank ether]

always been the main criticism of those keystones

but its not that bad

ws still gives you a crit string and a rate of fire buff

[rigid pilot]

It's great with the weapons it's designed with

Mainly Volvo,maybe manstopper shotties

[austere pine]

milk what is this

is thrust good on rashad?

[rigid pilot]

Leaning towards no

[wanton dawn]

Thats without cleave though

[rigid pilot]

Foldable shovel with thrust is crazy though

With +cara you oneshot crushers

[white minnow]

yeah that's true

i made that chart for an argument that was comparing between columnus and the two other BAGs

so i was just defending columnus against the 2nd lowest common denominator (graia)

here's a better version more relevant to my original point

[austere pine]

what i gather from this is that for missions where you're running with a gunlugger, a flamer zealot or some other person with an ammo hungry weapon, you run graia, but otherwise it's the columnus

[white minnow]

hmm

i should probably obfuscate my chart more

[rigid pilot]

who splits numbers with ][

[untold mulch]

the inqusition?

[white minnow]

i don't like using the forward slash as a delimiter so i opted to use something else

though i guess there is the backward slash

[stuck gorge]

Also the | thingy

[white minnow]

i don't like it because we have too many characters in too many font families that are just a vertical bar

[agile forge]

Double slash is good too

Like//this

[white minnow]

might imply integer division or some special operator

esp with numbers

[wanton dawn]

|

[white minnow]

don't like it

[agile forge]

How about a nice §

[white minnow]

i don't have the dark arts on easy access

[wanton dawn]

[X;Y[[ obvious

Dont you guys have math ?

[agile forge]

Or use a as the splitter

[stuck gorge]

Honestly yes

[white minnow]

1459😇1707

[wanton dawn]

14591707

Ogryn separator ! They are the widest character !

[bitter turtle]

1459 (THIS IS A SEPARATOR) 1707

Easy

[finite carbon]

1459

1707

[austere pine]

lovely weapon

[austere pine]

👆 mathematician

[austere pine]

this reminds me of the oldest house from control and the way the pyramid speaks to you

[white minnow]

using ]a, b[ to indicate an open interval 😎

[austere pine]

wait yes there is other things

don't people use [x,y] for closed and (z,q) for open?

man why would you be doing this

[white minnow]

cuz parentheses are already used to group stuff, function notation, and whatnot

i heavily dislike overloading of symbols, and if there's a way to reduce it, I will use alternate notation if possible

in my own notes of course

i'm going to use standard notation when talking with other people while silently seething about bad notation

[agile forge]

also from The Grim Reaper by Terry Pratchett, when people try to talk while Death/Bill Door is swinging his scythe around once he's gotten it sufficiently sharp

[austere pine]

actually, not the oldest house

the board

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-slab-gif-25530054

[midnight totem]

Whats your offer

[limber lance]

Surprised you didnt try to grab one of the +25 toughness

[dreamy spade]

I've made it even weirder now

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c044407-cebd-49ed-85d4-fa576617d8e6/las-vet-2

[hidden torrent]

Boys I have a an interview today on 4 hours of sleep

Cowbunga it is

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/mika-noah-raj-kermit-the-frog-the-muppets-gif-25839105

[bitter turtle]

all the stamina

you gotta get focus target

and target down

even more stamina

[hidden torrent]

Basically how I feel

[agile forge]

Veteran chat

I am delighted to inform you

muthakarkin power cycler 4 bitches

[supple stag]

[oblique totem]

Why is this so dramatic?

[supple stag]

Congrats

[agile forge]

after 754 hours of playtime

[bitter turtle]

omedetou

congratulations

[agile forge]

think the sword itself is pretty much perfect too right?

[bitter turtle]

Ummm

actually

it could have 3 more damage

[agile forge]

I mean would be nice to have carapace 25% but it should still work?

[bitter turtle]

and 7 more finesse

:^)

jk

yeah its fine

[supple stag]

No idea, I run +stamina and maniac I think

[bitter turtle]

all carapace does is make it easier

to hit crusher 2tap

[oblique totem]

I knew that was coming

[hidden torrent]

Ask numbers cat he would know

[bitter turtle]

its not even actually necessary

[agile forge]

I've got a few different PS6 bodies I could modify at this point

[bitter turtle]

ogryn damage + 10% melee? I think would result in a 2tap even without crusher

i'd have to test it

[agile forge]

My usual power sword build has CIAG for bosses

[bitter turtle]

idr since mine has carapace

[agile forge]

so not too bothered with unyielding

[bitter turtle]

unyielding isnt that good anymore anyway

[hidden torrent]

I run elite and Maniac on mine

[agile forge]

and numbers cat's guide said carapace, maniac and unyielding top choices

[bitter turtle]

that is slightly outdated

unyielding used to be good because 1tap bulwark

it does not do that anymore bc bulwark got 800 more hp

still decent for boss damage though

and its not like flak is particularly useful

so its still an ok choice

[agile forge]

well I'm not using unyielding in any case now :) The carapace and maniac perks are still solid right?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[agile forge]

but elite maniac might be better you're saying

[bitter turtle]

carapace makes crusher 2 tap basically no investment needed

maniac gives you mutant 1tap

[agile forge]

my CIAG build has zero melee investment

[hidden torrent]

It could be

[bitter turtle]

elite can work

[agile forge]

so think I'd need the extra on carapace

[bitter turtle]

obv any amount of dmg will help push you to crusher 2 tap

its just a matter of how few melee talent you wanna take

[agile forge]

It's my silly bullshit extremist E-stance+MF build

[bitter turtle]

i think elite helps you light 1tap shotgunners? idr

[agile forge]

although I took out deadshot for demo team

[hidden torrent]

Would plus 10 elite with the right build let you 1 tap maulers

Is the question

[agile forge]

so at least it's a sensible extremist build and not just a meme

[hidden torrent]

Never tested

[bitter turtle]

but yeah

looks as good as its gonna get

[agile forge]

Hell I might even build another one to put into my weapon specialist build but I like the excuse to use the chainsword on it

since it's already got krak and zarona for crushers

[bitter turtle]

melk has a nice one in shop

https://i.gyazo.com/a92ae51198fc13379e1cdc5128a0a93e.png

might take this jus tin case ps3 ever becomes better than 6 again

[hidden torrent]

Melk sells me used condoms btw

I get shit from him

[bitter turtle]

kinky

[hidden torrent]

I don't buy them, I just hold them for a friend

[agile forge]

Is the friend you?

[bitter turtle]

i must be stealing all the good rolls from your melk shop

https://i.gyazo.com/476c2fd19dee9830d41369e1e488a6c1.png

on my zealot

but the thing i actually want never shows up

its been 2 months and still no bloodletter IV

[hidden torrent]

Send me some

Will simp for good melk rolls

[thorn lark]

same, but i am 42

[hidden torrent]

Not same, I'm 25 and literally never been ID'd once in my life

Was kinda disappointed when I turned legal age ngl

Made me realize I've been able to buy alcohol since I was 16 lmao

[midnight totem]

You barely need anything for maulers two tap

But 25 carapace will easily get you there

I have unarmored instead of carapace for mine, and I two tap maulers with ease

Two tap crushers if one is a crit

And I don't run elites or ogryn, just Rending (cause I'm lazy I guess)

[lunar sedge]

Hey guys, can someone please recommend some good loadout that is build around helbore lasguns and marksman focus? Really want to try something else then just shout and plasma, and for penance

I'm experienced but I really want to see some options from other people, perhaps there is some quirq around this build

[austere pine]

what does enhanced blitz do for infiltrate

[dreamy spade]

since when the fuck did both monstrosities spawn at once

[lunar sedge]

Blitz not active ability

[austere pine]

oh blitz

[lunar sedge]

yes blitz

[agile forge]

It can happen

[bitter turtle]

blitz is grenade

so more nade

[austere pine]

why it called blitz

[bitter turtle]

idk

you throw grenade and then blitzkrieg

[austere pine]

if it's a throwable in 10 cases out of 12

[bitter turtle]

you psychically blow up their brain and then blitzkireg

[thorn lark]

depends where you live, it's mandatory where i am rn

[austere pine]

i got ID'd three times in my life

once and first time was when a grocery store lady refused to sell me a flavored alcohol-free "beer" when i was like 12 or 13

second time for a fucking energy drink

and the third time when i was an adult and the lady thought i was buying it for my classmates (which i was but fuck does she know or care)

[frail citrus]

niche question but does anyone know if this cosmetic's voice augmentation is on other cosmetics?

[wild vortex]

Cosmetics with a voice augmentation are marked. Idk if this exact one is shared by another

[frail citrus]

Thanks for telling me what I already know

[wild vortex]

[hidden torrent]

It's mandatory in my state in the US too, but I don't get carded

[hidden torrent]

She's a knower

[bitter turtle]

cosmetics in alice hallowette's shop cost aquila which can be purchased with real life money

do you want to know more things you already knew

srsly though, try using driptide mod and check?

[last parcel]

people die when they are killed

[bitter turtle]

just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

[hidden torrent]

Fake news

[hidden torrent]

I believe all Vox augmentations do the same to voice pitch

[frail citrus]

ill throw on another vox augmentation and see, just was hoping to see if anyone had a more straight forward answer because i dont really feel like going through all my helmets to see which one has the fun voice, but thank you anyway

[frail citrus]

cant check voicelines unless you're in a game, so i'd have to install the mod and then try each one in some low levels game, dont wanna abandon the lil'uns

[hidden torrent]

Say sorry guys game crashed and leave

[frail citrus]

ill do this in maelstrom

[hidden torrent]

No balls

[frail citrus]

watch me

[hidden torrent]

Ayo

Has to be said, vet chat is much more tame when it isn't 1 am

[midnight totem]

Don't worry it will be 1 am in another fourteen hours

[bitter turtle]

could use the one more time mod

save a mission about to expired

then just continuously reload it

[last parcel]

many more try

[hidden torrent]

Oh yeah you were here to see ot wild

[bitter turtle]

mb

i dont remember the name

many more try*

[hidden torrent]

Back to your cave demon

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brushing-cat-cat-british-short-hair-gif-21954985

[hidden torrent]

Also tho, if you have any friends

You can do private games

[frail citrus]

LOL

im lvl 30+ on all classes on darktide

i dont have any friends

[hidden torrent]

I have ~1000 hours on darktide and I still got friends

Sounds like a skill issue imo

Just force people to be your friend, they like that

[outer wolf]

What's the best lasgun atm? Is still the MK XII Kantrael the go to?

[bitter turtle]

no

[last parcel]

that would be your mother

[bitter turtle]

if you mean infantry lasguns only

the mark 1

if you're willing to expand out

laspistols are really strong

helbores also are pretty good

[outer wolf]

MG Ia you mean?

[bitter turtle]

yes

the middle child one

mg4 also has a niche if you wanna download full auto mod and hold down the fire button and pretend you are using a better recon

[outer wolf]

I see. I'm always with the zarona and sometimes columnus, so I'm actually clueless about the lasguns

Not sure if they're even worth nowadays

[bitter turtle]

the ilas are ok

12 is actually worst one now

tho

lol

[outer wolf]

wow, lol

[hollow ibex]

it's mainly if you want something different

[hidden torrent]

Basically Las guns are for betas

Only real men use plasma PS

[bitter turtle]

if you want to try a lasweapon

[outer wolf]

Hate plasma

[bitter turtle]

i suggest the laspistols if you're uysed to revolver*

[outer wolf]

Too easy

[trim hemlock]

Or Helbros

[hollow ibex]

chad shitgun enjoyer vs. virgin meta slave

[bitter turtle]

you can also play weapon spec

[trim hemlock]

[last parcel]

my favorite spear

[hidden torrent]

Spear

What

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonet-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-equip-bayonet-i-make-ready-gif-26550076

[outer wolf]

Will try laspistol with dum-dum / inferno

[hidden torrent]

Oh, I thought I was getting a stream of unadulterated consciousness

[midnight totem]

Dude.

[bitter turtle]

dont do inferno

its a meme

[midnight totem]

We need krak lances

[bitter turtle]

dumdum+ghost

[outer wolf]

Isn't it good for monstrosities?

[bitter turtle]

meh

its ok for monstros

[trim hemlock]

It’s a bit more damage against them

[oak gorge]

building your whole kit around monstrosities isn't generally a good idea

[bitter turtle]

but ghost akes you literall yimmune to ranged fire

[hidden torrent]

Fake

[trim hemlock]

Ghost is the dopamine exhibitor

[hidden torrent]

Want the best advice? Do whatever you find fun as long as it isn't at the expense of your teamates enjoyment

It's what I do, but still at the expense of my teamates

[oak gorge]

thats why i run a smoke build

[hidden torrent]

L4d build

[oak gorge]

funny grenades go puuummmmffftt

exploding peoples brains as a psyker is getting a little old i might make a new veteran 🫡

[hidden torrent]

I have 2 Ogryn and one of each class

Throd and Pissfreak

[oak gorge]

i wiped my zealot and ogryn

need to make them again at some point

[hidden torrent]

I enjoy Ogryn because I enjoy enabling other players to have more fun

[oak gorge]

same reason why i liked OG surge staff

could stunlock everything

and sit back and watch the carnage

[hidden torrent]

Fake

Never played with Smiker

Least fun gameplay

That's right I'm throwing shade rn

[oak gorge]

😭

i like crowd control

and support classes

[hidden torrent]

How many times we have to teach you this lesson old man

[oak gorge]

its also why i attempted to use shields before the rework

that was pain

i love how shield used to be a troll pick but now its arguably the best weapon in the game

[hidden torrent]

I enjoy carrying as Ogryn tbh

I like picking my team up like a bowling ball

[oak gorge]

ogryn ability where they can throw a zealot like a plushie at the enemies when

[hidden torrent]

Shotput pox walkers

[oak gorge]

YOU HAVE BEEN JUDGED - said while hurtling through the air

[oak gorge]

[hidden torrent]

Hello everyone markiplier here

[oak gorge]

saves video

[hidden torrent]

Jockstrap of classes

I know you Br*ish folks call it something different

[oak gorge]

look the thing about support is that you can blame everyone else even if you do your job perfectly and you lose

[hidden torrent]

Oh I love support classes

In games with good dynamics your support can often be the most mechanically intelligent player (my brain barely functions)

[oak gorge]

overwatch not included

[hidden torrent]

I've been doing a 48 hour fast and honestly, shits kinda crazy

[frank monolith]

remember if they ask if you have any question ask them about if you were to hire me right now which position of the company would you put me on base on my qualities

[bright cliff]

anyone here have strong opinions on force swords

[hidden torrent]

I probably could smell someone chewing gum outside my house

[oak gorge]

i personally don't enjoy the force swords

i dont like the sound they make when you slash

[hidden torrent]

Thanks mom love you

[bright cliff]

yeah well I gotta use one of them and psyker players don't have handy dandy guides so I have to trawl the discord looking for advice

lord knows I'm not going in the psyker channel for that

[oak gorge]

oh wait i got power swords and force swords mixed up my bad

[frank monolith]

[oak gorge]

i actually enjoy the deimos force sword

[frank monolith]

i got my quote from one of his shorts

[oak gorge]

the stab attack pattern is fun

[last parcel]

wym
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[bright cliff]

waaaah but it's not in a google doc waaaaah

everyone knows REAL guides are on google docs

[hidden torrent]

Should I go bald or leave my hair long

Gotta ask a fellow king

[bitter turtle]

deimos and illsi

obscuros or whatever is pretty shit

[last parcel]

dock your cock with a pencil sharpener

[oak gorge]

we stan bald kings

[bitter turtle]

deimos just plays like a fat dueling ssword, I have literally never used the special attack

[hidden torrent]

Rn hair down below my shoulders

[bitter turtle]

illsi plays like "power sword but psyker"

[oak gorge]

i would do buzz cut but im not brave enough

[bright cliff]

much what I gathered

[hidden torrent]

Honestly long hair sucks but God damn do it look angelic and shit when you blonde

[oak gorge]

my hairs like a light brown so i look homeless when it gets to a certain length

[bright cliff]

does bloodthirsty not make the special attack on deimos desireable? guide says dont take it but it seems to me like guaranteed crit on spec attack is p good

[oak gorge]

i get it cut once a year

[bright cliff]

or do the break points not matter?

[bitter turtle]

bloodthirsty is good on illsi

since you special attack all the time

[frank monolith]

also sad fact sony still havent reverted the ban on steam for helldivers for the countries where it doesnt support psn 👀 but we get to make it so we dont need to sign in to psn

[bitter turtle]

for deimos

its a complete meme to try that

[bright cliff]

hmm

[bitter turtle]

actually goa n try using the special attack

it takes

FOREVER

[hidden torrent]

Well I guess to be fair, it's not all long actually, the sides of my head is shaved, and I have long hair that braided to my shoulder, with like a single French braid

[bitter turtle]

imagine doing that every single time to get 1 (one) crit

lol

[bright cliff]

so you think just take bloodthirsty slaughterer on ilisi and treat it like power sword?

[bitter turtle]

that's basically the jist of it

albeit

[bright cliff]

k

[bitter turtle]

i dont play illsi

i just know

[oak gorge]

i just hate the upkeep of long hair personally

[bitter turtle]

in theory

that is how it works

[oak gorge]

it feels so refreshing to get it all cut

[bitter turtle]

i mostly play deimos

[bright cliff]

I've been a maccabian duelling sword guy all my life

[hidden torrent]

I get the best of both worlds

[bright cliff]

feels like vermintide

[hidden torrent]

I get the side of my hair cut and still got long hair

[bitter turtle]

dueling sword 4 is strong

got them pokes

does a lot of damage

deimos is like a slower version of it but with hard knockdowns

if you headshot

[hidden torrent]

It makes me look a lot more aggressive though and I'm not sure if it's a great thing

[bitter turtle]

i like it for the crowd control

[tall torrent]

Boltgun doesn’t open bulwarks as easily anymore

[oak gorge]

as long as you like it, doesn't really matter what other peoples perceptions are

its gotta feel comfortable and look good to you

[bright cliff]

maccabian iv is already great at knockdowns tho

h1 > spa is instant knockback on crushers, makes kiting groups ezpz

[hidden torrent]

Well to a degree right, like you don't want people to be scared off exactly and since I'm quite Scandinavian I already have a lot of traditional masculine "aggressive" looking features

[bitter turtle]

ya not saying its bad at it

[bright cliff]

combine with uncanny and shred and you can facetank hordes of crushers and maulers

[bitter turtle]

deimos does it in 1 heavy though

[hidden torrent]

So it's like a, do I get it cut to not have RBF

[bitter turtle]

i just prefer it since i really only pull out the melee very rarely

[oak gorge]

if someone's scared off by hair and body type they're not gonna make it in this world

[bitter turtle]

just spamming trauma staff all day instead usually

[bright cliff]

I see

well I'm a big melee guy

[bitter turtle]

ye that's fair

[hidden torrent]

Well do I have mews for you

[oak gorge]

people used to tell me - shave you'll look younger and less old

[hidden torrent]

Fuck I said mew too much

[oak gorge]

but i like a beard

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-skeleton-nikita-gif-6132901180355580261

[bitter turtle]

Did somewone mewntion mew nya

:3

[hidden torrent]

I've actually never mewed before, I guess I'm just lucky, never felt insecure enough to do so

Not me throwing shade hard asf rn

[oak gorge]

im convinced mewing is an elaborate joke, surely nobodys doing that shit unironically

[bitter turtle]

my husband did in middle school

does that count

[hidden torrent]

It's good for head posture

[bitter turtle]

oh

clearly hti sis something else

nvm

[hidden torrent]

What

[bitter turtle]

he used to wear a cat bell

in middle school

[oak gorge]

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-meme-memes-kitten-gif-23857073

[oak gorge]

bro shat in a litter box too

[hidden torrent]

I'm really not sure how to respond to that

If I'm honest

[bitter turtle]

and made his hair shaped into cat ears

its middle school ok

im sure we all did something embarassing

[hidden torrent]

I was just fat, thank god

[bitter turtle]

how appropriate

i bet that's why you play a game made by FATshark

[oak gorge]

[bitter turtle]

tee hee

[hidden torrent]

Formerly fat

[tall torrent]

I was considering Fall-DMG

[hidden torrent]

I actually lost a very large amount of weight after highschool

[bright cliff]

@june what do now

[radiant chasm]

I was on ritalin so i was a ritalin zombie and now i dont have any cohesive memories

[bitter turtle]

damn

you can actually read my name

[bright cliff]

just tell me what do

[bitter turtle]

the e is extraneous

uhhh

probably switch sprint efficiency no?

[bright cliff]

we thinking maniac or flak tho

or is unyielding important

[radiant chasm]

Sprint efficiency off blood thirsty off imo

[bitter turtle]

i think you missed the part

where i said

"i dont actually play ilsi, only deimos"

[radiant chasm]

Oh nvm

[bitter turtle]

i only know how it works in theory

[bright cliff]

I see

[radiant chasm]

Only one lock

[bright cliff]

will do some testing

[bitter turtle]

Crit Chance, Maniac

claimed by steam guide

[radiant chasm]

I think illisi needs maniac for the mutie oneshot to the head

[bitter turtle]

i dont know how true it is though

[dreamy spade]

The weird one didn't work out, so I've made the easiest vet build instead 😎
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c0ad256-b487-47e6-bb05-14ff2a308a35/easy-vet

[radiant chasm]

Dont listen to them

[bitter turtle]

i mean

they literally said maniac too

so in this case

[bright cliff]

that's only if I'm already running shred

[bitter turtle]

you do wnat me to listen to them

oh right

[bright cliff]

extra crit chance doesnt do much without shred

[bitter turtle]

it says maniac+flak for bloodthirsty

[wanton dawn]

You put too much value into charismatic mah dude

[bitter turtle]

well, since they prioritize maniac when you can only pick one

i assume maniac

is prob more important

[dreamy spade]

Nu uh

[bitter turtle]

charisma gets you placesin life

very important

[last parcel]

rizzler

[bitter turtle]

taki ng charismatic makes your vet 50% more eloquent

they can talk down a daemonhost with a 50% probability of success into leaving

[hidden torrent]

You can literally do anything with enough Charisma

[last parcel]

everyone knows speech is op

[wanton dawn]

Charisma won't make you able to talk to a computer

[hidden torrent]

Irl Charisma playthroughs aren't as boring as in games

[hidden torrent]

Fake

[tall torrent]

Rashad without BM is trolling

[marble yew]

Is collateral a dumpstat? considering picking this up in case pistol gets busted again in the future

[bitter turtle]

yes

not really important

[marble yew]

aight, ill pick it up in case then

[bitter turtle]

damage+stopping power is the main thing

[wanton dawn]

Autopistol is dump too but that is another discussion

[bitter turtle]

maybe collateral has a purpose if you do some meme powderburn build

[dreamy spade]

15% weakspot damage is good but im not gonna use it for hordes

[marble yew]

i know autopistol kinda sucks right now but it used to kick ass not too long ago

[hidden torrent]

Rashad users punching air rn

[bitter turtle]

no, 15% weakspot is the pointless part about it

[tall torrent]

Oh so it’s just a troll build then

[last parcel]

i actually really want to try this now

[dreamy spade]

Columnus is far more effective

[last parcel]

the point blank revolver troll build was surprisingly fun

[hidden torrent]

What

[bitter turtle]

how did you set up pistol whipkills

[tall torrent]

[bitter turtle]

truly

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

[bitter turtle]

terrifying

[dreamy spade]

it's not even troll, ive done massive clutches with it lol

[bitter turtle]

I see., makes sense

[hollow ibex]

Oh good terrifying barrage.

[bitter turtle]

was this on sedition

[hidden torrent]

Me to my dad at 5 years old

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fursuit-domestic-abuse-meme-stepdad-gif-22038902

[hidden torrent]

LOL

That's a really good one ngl

Meme is stolen

[wanton dawn]

You are weird

[hidden torrent]

Me or Backup? Allegedly we're related

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-teacher-i-hate-you-in-chinese-you-are-ugly-in-chinese-you-are-a-liar-in-chinese-gif-26687429

[hidden torrent]

You said it not me

Then again can't speak too busy mewing

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[hidden torrent]

[midnight totem]

NOOO

I left my wireless mouse at home

I can't play Darktide at work

[hidden torrent]

Do mice not exist at your work

[midnight totem]

They suck

I like my cheap wireless mouse. It's broken in

[balmy flume]

I am more amazed he can play Darktide during work hours.
Normally that would be a death sentence 😅

[last parcel]

damn i need your work mouse on my cock

[midnight totem]

Well if it's small enough for that mouse

[hidden torrent]

Least chaotic vet player

[midnight totem]

I'm on my lunch break xD

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[balmy flume]

Ah I see XD

[midnight totem]

I can do anything on my lunch break

Short of drink alcohol and murder

[last parcel]

create improvised explosive devices

[hidden torrent]

Idk what to make to eat, I have like 3 roasts and I need to eat before tonight but like, I don't want to do it knowm sayin

Lunch made me think of it

[midnight totem]

And if it's Ken in my dept. I'm not sure they'll fire me for murder

[hidden torrent]

Top Kenergy

[last parcel]

i'm kenough

[hidden torrent]

Sbeve

[midnight totem]

He owes me money anyway

[hidden torrent]

That's not very Ken of him

[midnight totem]

I'm letting it accrue until I can recoup it by selling his kidney

[hidden torrent]

Have him sign a legally binding contract that generates interest

[hidden torrent]

We don't do dad jokes here

Honestly realized how that could be taken 💀

[midnight totem]

It's okay, the Emperor was not the best dad either

[hidden torrent]

I thought you were calling me dad too for a second

I was about to convulse

I don't know what dad Energy I have but Holy shit so many people call me dad

Not the just the people I want to either

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-watermelon-gif-11587355

[hidden torrent]

I wish I could do that tbh

[hidden torrent]

I just realized you were throwing shade back at me

[last parcel]

you were supposed to zoom in

[hidden torrent]

No

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[hidden torrent]

How you banish a demon, just say no

Hey any vet want to run surv while I do lucky bullet

[tall torrent]

I can play 1

[hidden torrent]

Alr give me a minute

[tall torrent]

If u wanna farm that one tho

Just do orthus private

[hidden torrent]

Only got a few hundred left and I'm doing chaotic evil playthrough

[tall torrent]

Ok

[tall torrent]

Vc?

[hidden torrent]

Sure why not

join whichever channel thy like

[tall torrent]

strike team 1

[limber lance]

Can we just eat the water melons

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/408207400395472906/1152695603432800346/4339B4BA-0FC1-4373-BEC5-64C0094F0C50.gif

[limber lance]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-terry-crews-terry-jeffords-gif-13703698

[last parcel]

spoken just like an emotional support twink

[limber lance]

Have bacon

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/bacon-pig-heater-closer-piggly-gif-24115615

[ocean heron]

bacon is best meat in my opinion

[hidden torrent]

Backup cooking fellas today

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-what-did-any-of-that-mean-gooseworx-glitch-productions-gif-9183334283007840220

[dreamy spade]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[dreamy spade]

Imagine if ogyrns hopped on tren

[hidden torrent]

Trenbolone Acetate

Bro's already got enough test to give a bull a heart attack

Why don't we give them more

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo not need cheating

Eat all on your plate

Is how Ulgo became strong

Momma always said eat all yer vej-table. Is how you get strong

[gentle heath]

whats a rlly good axe

[hoary horizon]

Atrox stun muties me fink

[gentle heath]

mmmm muties

[bright cliff]

@bitter turtle if you're curious, it seems like as long as you WANT to use the special on your force sword, then bloodthirsty/slaughterer is absolutely the way to go and requires no support from your tree

the other builds on the guide are basically just "I like the moveset but hate pressing my special button"

which, at that point, why are you using the ilisi

[midnight totem]

Because the obscurus looks bad

[tall torrent]

Because it gets uncanny + slaughterer and is incredibly busted

[bright cliff]

literal stat stick

man I guess

[radiant chasm]

Deimos leans too hard on it’s h2 imo

Illisi has a nicer moveset

[gentle heath]

which knife is better

or just like whats the diff

[oak gorge]

original knife is better for single target backstabs

newer knife can potentially kill multiple elites in one stealthed hit

[wild vortex]

das why ogryn eat errybody vej-table

[hoary horizon]

Thanking you!

[bright cliff]

mk3 for single target, mk6 for "horde clear" and a more complex but equally potent single target

[gentle heath]

has anyone ever done a run with only knife punch

[bright cliff]

I mean I'm sure it's possible to apply bleed stacks to everything until it dies

but idk why you'd want to that sounds like it would take at least an hour

[analog mural]

Punch can also proc psykers kinetic flayer, that could help speed it up

It's also pretty funny to punch something then watch their head explode

[midnight totem]

Muscle wizard psyker build

[tame lodge]

[bright cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/worthikids-wizard-beer-buff-muscles-strong-gif-5264775002962851087

[gentle heath]

one punch man ahhh

[leaden hollow]

Well. Done with Helldivers.

[hoary horizon]

Yes

[midnight totem]

What happened this time

[leaden hollow]

One dev doing balancing changes keeps nerfing stuff and mocking the community over it. I said some unkind things and requested to be banned, so they did.

[midnight totem]

Ah, that dev

[hoary horizon]

Who is he?

[leaden hollow]

Alexus

[hoary horizon]

Dunno who that is

[leaden hollow]

I wanna be happy for that game, but man, the ship keeps sinking.

[midnight totem]

Darktide be like

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[solar bone]

Random thing to jump into here, I know they said they fixed charge rate on plasma guns but uh....

They didn't?

It seems like they didn't

like when i test it they didn't or am I just crazy?

[tall torrent]

They minimized charge rate’s impact on Dmg

Charge rate is a dump stat now

[solar bone]

Well now I just need them to add the strip all perks and blessings from a weapon then

cause ive got some decent plasma guns then lol

but that will probably never happen

oh well

still going to cope and hold on to them

[fluid solstice]

chainaxe my beloved

[sinful swallow]

I've fallen for the chaxe too

[fluid solstice]

Its good at everything😭

[snow rivet]

does anyone wanna share their bread and butter comfy shout vet build that they use.

[fluid solstice]

oh uuh yeah just a sec

[tall torrent]

It’s really not good at horde clear

[sinful swallow]

What are you testing it on

[sinful swallow]

Braced charges one tap crushers, charge rate also affects trigger delay

[sinful swallow]

But you'll really not notice a 38 vs 51 or a 60 vs 80

[fluid solstice]

sorry I sent it in chunks but thats what I'm using rn

[snow rivet]

yhyh nps, i just wanna compare it to whatever i got going

[fluid solstice]

running the Zarona quickdraw and the Orestes XII chainaxr

[snow rivet]

tyty

[fluid solstice]

I strongly disagree

its phenomenal at keeping zombies off your ass

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u comparing it to

Because it just doesn’t clear hordes that fast

[wild vortex]

I have a question - why is Rashad axe called an all-rounder? The attack patterns look like single target hits? How can it clear?

[tall torrent]

Because brutal momentum allows u to 1 hit 4 enemies at once

[wild vortex]

Ohhh

That's how

Got it

[dreamy spade]

Someone just left because I have a gray in auric lol

[tall torrent]

Without BM it’s quite literally not worth playing

[wild vortex]

Right-o

[fluid solstice]

it gives you a lot of space with th relebtless stries tho.

[tall torrent]

With BM, optimized breakpoints and atk speed it becomes the best all rounder u can get for veteran

[fluid solstice]

I'll have to try it because I kinda loathe the combat axe for this reason

[wild vortex]

Will try to get 1 like that. Been using Chainsword mostly since I gave up on smartly charging psword all the time

Chainsword is much more smoothbrain friendly

[tall torrent]

It’s like bottom 2 horde clear when ranked against other melee weapons

[wild vortex]

I just spam lights and rev up with Bloodletter for tough targets

[tall torrent]

Bottom 2~3

Compared to actual horde clear weapons chainaxe falls behind quite a lot

Rashad actually kills hordes more than twice as fast as Chainaxe

[gentle heath]

does stamina + actually increase stamina for like sprinting

[radiant chasm]

yes

[tall torrent]

Increased total stamina allows u to sprint longer

Because stamina drain during sprint is associated with ur weapon and it’s X stamina per second

Not percentage

[gentle heath]

that makes sense

[tall torrent]

A knife with 7 stamina & no sprint efficiency gets to sprint for 14s total (0.5/s)

More stamina = sprint longer

[gentle heath]

does stam regen take longer with more bars of stam

[rocky trellis]

let's say hypothetically I'm a smoothbrain then, what Chainsword would I want?

[midnight totem]

Both work

[rocky trellis]

I tried Mk4 and didn't like it at all, haven't tried the 13g yet

[midnight totem]

13g may be your flavor

I prefer it myself

13g's horde clear is its lights

[rocky trellis]

perfect

[midnight totem]

It's heavies are straight down

Chainswords only need cleave blessings to work well

So, wrath or savage sweep

Wrath is considered better