veteran-class

[somber axle]

but they weren't an Auric Maelstrom tier player if that is what you were asking

and at the time neither was I

so consider our skill levels roughly on par

I was still scared of Auric Damnation too tbh

I am no longer

I am a clown that is evolving

The point is that the Recon Mk VId is capable of outputting solid damage while having better ammo economy than most give it credit for and can perform at Damnation+

[pseudo fiber]

Fair enough I respect your dedication to the weapon

[somber axle]

but it is more effort/talent investment than most would care for

[thorn dragon]

My main issue with it is ttk on the maniac flamers.

[somber axle]

it is a very particular playstyle

and one that I don't think most would enjoy

but I share it regardless to prove the Recon is fine in the right hands

and if you don't like the gun

your hands are not the right hands

you need clown gloves for this gun

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/with-a-pencil-john-wick-scary-scared-pencil-gif-16042376

[somber axle]

I cannot stress enough that the average Vet will not enjoy how I play LMFAO

because I'm crazy

I like being hypermobile and min-maxing to weird degrees

[last parcel]

craaazy he calls me

sure i'm crazy

craaaaaaaaaazy in love

[somber axle]

Most will be comfy just grabbing Plasma, Power Sword can fat roll Dark Souls dodge their way through a level

[last parcel]

aaaaam iiiiiiiiiiii

[somber axle]

We are not the same

[thorn dragon]

Deadshot recon kinda needs weapon specialist imo. you are going to get stam broken like crazy

[somber axle]

it really doesn't tbh

Focus Target + Target Down gives good stam regen

Target Down is 5% stam restored per stack

[shadow dagger]

I think I'd at least tolerate the muzzle flash if the sights sat a bit higher on the gun like columnus iag

[somber axle]

if you are not someone who consistently pings targets then this is also not a good playstyle for you

and you would benefit more from Weapon Specialist

[shadow dagger]

but the muzzle flash with any subpar aiming makes using it feel so much worse

[somber axle]

ANYWAY BACK TO V RISING WITH FRIENDS BYE KISSES SAVE SOME BLOOD FOR ME TO DRINK LATER

[last parcel]

😽

[midnight totem]

what the

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-movealong-stormtrooper-gif-5509326

[pseudo fiber]

Anyway if I may ask for some help. I'm at 4290 penance points. My list of penances looks like this (the only missing class ones are playing that class for 75/100 missions). What should I focus on to get points because I want that damn armour.

[midnight totem]

psyker looks easiest

[pseudo fiber]

I gotta grind missions out

which tbf I could do sedation and get my location stuff too...

hrm

[elfin violet]

finally got On Overwatch

[last parcel]

now it is time for On Overwatch 2

no pve

[pseudo fiber]

Well done

[elfin violet]

I got VERY lucky on Ascension Riser 31

At the end, my teammates wanted to get off the ship to kill enemies, then some hounds showed up
I was gonna be pissed if one tagged me

now I just need to make every shot count, revolver time

[pseudo fiber]

or shotgun or plasma

don't take survivalist aura

[elfin violet]

oh I took that off ages ago

I knew it'd just give me trouble whenever I attempt it

[junior needle]

You could outperform both those guns with an autopistol if there was enough skill gap

[somber axle]

Yeah but like at the time I don't think the skill gap between where I was and where they were was that massive

We were both Standard Damnation quickplay players

it's not like I was an Auric Maelstrom main casually flexing on Standard Damnation quickplay players

[junior needle]

Standard Damnation

[somber axle]

Recons are also still fine in Auric Damnation HiSTG

they're just not for most people

it takes a particular funny kind of clown to enjoy it

[junior needle]

Recons are also still fine in Auric Damnation HiSTG
they're just not for most people

If you have to put in substantially more effort and juice, they are not fine

[somber axle]

it's a different playstyle tbh

hyper mobile

most people want to stand, plant and shoot

it's the difference between Gears of War gameplay and Doom

[junior needle]

Dodging around a bunch is not really a "different playstyle"

People regularly do that

[somber axle]

you're moving up at your own pace, I'm breakdancing through the crowd as fast as I can

we are not the same

[somber axle]

but Soldier 69 my playstyle is so different that you make sure I include a disclaimer to tell others that my playstyle is different

not everyone wants to be hyper mobile and min-max damage to rely entirely on their own mobility as a defensive tool instead of using VoC or Infiltrate and I understand that 100%

VoC is a powerful defensive personal tool and a very effective team support tool

Infiltrate is the same in different ways

they way I play is not for everyone

[unique sorrel]

https://tenor.com/bin5remsXu1.gif

[junior needle]

Mhm, my point would be that it's not "just" different

It's a lot more effort

[elfin violet]

welp, I was doing great on my run and then I started getting massive frame drops for some reason?

[junior needle]

Fatshark is a small indie company of about 180 employees, please understand

[somber axle]

that's fair

it is definitely more effort and I love the stress/pressure

it is why I always give the disclaimer

to warn people and potentially save someone's sanity LOL

[junior needle]

Shocktrooper is the only thing potentially salvaging the line at all currently

I suspect they're going to remove it at some point

[somber axle]

Psh nah

There's no way they'd remove Shock Trooper

It's really the only thing actually differentiating Lasguns from Autoguns as far as performance

Giving them the niche as lower damage/DPS but better ammo econ

[junior needle]

I base this suspicion on nothing but a gut feeling and cryptic symbolism in my dreams

[somber axle]

If you take away the ammo econ, what niche are you thinking lasguns take instead?

[junior needle]

See, you could do that without a talent tax

And autoguns aren't necessarily higher damage/dps

[somber axle]

Nah because if you make ammo econ blessings they'll be ignored every single time

[junior needle]

Of course the balance is shit currently though

[somber axle]

So like where would you bake in lasgun ammo econ

[junior needle]

Into the ammo pool

[somber axle]

They already have pretty high ammo pools

[junior needle]

Higher

[somber axle]

A max 80% ammo Recon has 800 ammo in reserve and 100 in the clip

900 ammo needs more?

[junior needle]

Only with the ammo reserve node

[somber axle]

How much higher should it go?

[junior needle]

And only the reserve counts for ammo restoration

[somber axle]

1200 total ammo? (clip + reserve)

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/darkfantasykanyewest-gif-25617862

[somber axle]

I'm talking about without the +30% ammo node btw

[junior needle]

They do not have 800 reserve without the node

[somber axle]

yeah but I'm curious where you think the number would be

[junior needle]

bigger

[somber axle]

like pre ammo node where should the recons have their reserves

[junior needle]

BIGGER

[somber axle]

1000?

1200?

1400?

[junior needle]

OVER 9000

[somber axle]

LMFAO

speaking seriously pre-ammo node I'd love it to be around 1000

I think that'd be fair

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

[somber axle]

and wouldn't break the ammo econ in any way that damages the game

it'd just translate to an extra 2-3 full clips of firing before being empty on a Recon and then with the +30% node you'd be at 1300 total ammo

suddenly even if it does less damage it proves it has staying power by being unmatched in continuous spraying power

also it'd be hilarious with Shock Trooper

[wanton dawn]

Cant have gun with reserve over 1k cuz it breaks interface 999 limits. Would have to adjust padding and it would take at least 2 "fatshark patch" amount of time

[somber axle]

Ooo you're right

that's probably why Recons will not go higher LOL

maybe a bump to get the reserve at 900?

but then that's just an extra clip

[last parcel]

each shot takes 0.1 ammo

[junior needle]

Genius

[somber axle]

make it a blessing and I'd take it with Headhunter and Shock Trooper to have an infinite spraying Recon

[wanton dawn]

It works ! Cuz fs implemented decimal ammo count to nerf survivalist

[upper lichen]

anyone got a good shotty rec

[bitter turtle]

martyr skulls proably

[bitter turtle]

nah, there's more differentiation at least for other lasgun lines

ilas vs HH is basically high maniac/bad flak vs bad maniac/high flak

[winter quartz]

Why is the Bolter so bad??? One of if not the strongest guns in the setting but in Darktide it is so dogshit compared to every other gun?

Im very confused by this

[white minnow]

not a bad weapon but not good in the way that people expect it to be

since its current iteration is more of a DMR than it really should be

[winter quartz]

I was really excited to play with the bolter but man it is awful

[white minnow]

(and the issues that the bolter especially has with its sights and recoil)

[bitter turtle]

its not bad

[winter quartz]

Sights can be fixed using mods

[bitter turtle]

but you really cannot hipfire it

[white minnow]

not the aesthetics of the sights

[bitter turtle]

outside of panic sitautions and bosses

[white minnow]

but rather how they desync from where the shots go

[bitter turtle]

so if you want the fantasy of

[winter quartz]

yeah you can add sights

[white minnow]

this is most obvious if you have the crosshair remap mod

[bitter turtle]

pew pew rapid fire like a spess mehrine

yeah its not gonna work

you have to use it as a single shot sniper

if your problem with it is the swap speed btw, there is a way around that

[winter quartz]

which makes no sense

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

well you can say it doesnt fulfill the fantasy properly

but its not technically a bad gun

power wise

its not top, but its certainly decent

[winter quartz]

I get the recoil because it shoots literal redbull sized bullets but man i wanted it to be a gun for long range and to destroy up close but rapid fire sucks so bad

[bitter turtle]

ya

play zealot bolter if you wanna rapid fire

they do it a lot better than vet does

[winter quartz]

yeah but the ammo count

[bitter turtle]

well ,its still primarily going to be a melee playstyle

[white minnow]

the playtester who recommended the current changes to the bolter does think that his ideas were incorporated too strongly into the bolter so it'll likely get changed some time soon™

bolter on zealot is fine if you're using it for the elites, and especially if you're running tknives with em

though ammo economy of anything with tknives is cheating i suppose

[bitter turtle]

the knioves also solve the uh

swap speed too

much more easily than vet does

you dont need to do the funky tech

just chuck a knife on swap

if you need it to be fast

[old quail]

bolter is one of the only guns where exe stance's handling buffs make a significant difference

[bitter turtle]

i think its honestly perfectly playable even without

[old quail]

with deadshot you can manage

without it i'd rather not have a gun at all

[bitter turtle]

well

why would you NOT run deadshot in the first place right?

for bolter i mean

[old quail]

yea thats fair

but u also can run out of stamina

and then ur stuck with the most bizarre recoil/sway of any gun ever conceived

[elfin violet]

I think I did it

[old quail]

i think 90% of the issues it has would be in some way mitigated if the sights on it worked and you didn't have to have specific talents to make it function at all

[bitter turtle]

i do the un-ads between shots thing to somewhat mitigate it anyway

recoil at least

[elfin violet]

just checked, I managed to pull it off and get Make Every Shot Count

now I just need my smoke grenade pants

[old quail]

yea there's stuff u can do to at least make it more bearable i just wish it wasn't necessary because it skews people's perception of the weapon so much

[bitter turtle]

maybe im weird

but i like little mechan ical tricks like that

i get why ppl wouldnt though

i'd be sad if they just buffed the swap speed tho

or removed the swap trick

[old quail]

i would want mechanical learning to be more intuitive and less dependant on having to get around absolutely awful weapon properties

[bitter turtle]

maybe @ being more intiuitive

but

i would want them to go the other direction

actually make it hit hard enough that the tech makes it worth it

[old quail]

the bolter recoil is so fucked it starts making the gun go down and back up while the irons are disconnected

[bitter turtle]

it makes it feel like you're warngling a clunky weapon

they just need to justify it

rn even as a sniper i find it questionable over v7

[old quail]

recoil in general needs to be more predictable

[bitter turtle]

if it could oneshot ragers that would go a long way to actually making it worthwhile over v7

but it cant

[old quail]

bolter is probably the easiest weapon i could use with exe stance

shoots through teammates and will bodyshot almost everything

[bitter turtle]

i mean

it doesnt bodyshot rager/flamer/dreg gunners no?

at least without a crit

[old quail]

with exe stance and talents it should be able to kill non-ragers in a regular bodyshot

[bitter turtle]

i think you need redirect to even bodyshot a scab gunner

[marble yew]

Is the damage of your ranged shots reduced if you shoot an enemy through your teammates body?

[bitter turtle]

ah right

exec

[bitter turtle]

no

idk

i just think its firepower is lacking

compared to v7

which is a really close analog for how its played rn

not that its lower than v7

but it doesnt do significantly more enough that you would think the clunkiness is worth it

but then again ppl just want it to be a rapid fire weapon anyway

so maybe going that direction is wrong(?)

[old quail]

my perspective is skewed because i basically just refuse to play shout with how easy it is and exe stance w/ marksman or tag lets it dumpster any elite you point it at without really even needing headshots

so you can just hit f and click yellow stuff and at the end of the game youve dealt the most elite/special damage by comical margins

[marble yew]

Isnt it kinda hard to keep the exe stance going witht he long reload?

[old quail]

reload talents make it way easier

[bitter turtle]

i dont think it could keep up with v7 though

the recoil and reload speed will just have it fall behind

v7 is just so easy to use

[marble yew]

I like using the columnus for my exe build

[trim hemlock]

Buuut it’s less effort, no?

[bitter turtle]

v7 or bolter?

cause v7 is definitely less effort

[trim hemlock]

V7 somewhat needs headshots, Bolter less so, at least against some enemies

[old quail]

30% reload speed + sprint cancelling means the reload isn't a huge factor

[trim hemlock]

I don’t see it that way, but I may not have played enough of V7

[bitter turtle]

you dont have to do 3 different techs just to make the gun function on par with others b aseline

and missing is way more punishing

if you msis with v7 you just click again because it fires so fast

[old quail]

i've had people on psyker play v7 (i have no idea how that compares to v7 on vet besides lack of suppression immunity) when ive used my exe stance bolter build and i was never outsniped

[bitter turtle]

and it has a bigger clip

idk much about gunker but its very strict to hit all the bps on vet

[old quail]

exe stance removes all but one of the bolter's downsides

it has the most disproportionate effect on it

depending on how willing you are to put up with exe stance's stupid mechanics you also get to skip the suppression immunity node which reduces the point tax

[bitter turtle]

also i think lack of suppression immunity sounds unplayable for v7

if you tried it on gunker

[old quail]

there's ways to get around it (the forbidden art of dumping 10 assail shards at the ranged pack)

[bitter turtle]

well they're obviouusly going to kill slower than you if they have to chuck 10 assail shards before they're allowed to actually aim

[old quail]

tbf EP assail clears an infinite amount of ranged elites

but i dont think gunner clear is a super good metric regardless because theyre stationary targets with huge damage falloff

and theyre very often put in very tragic spawn orders where they exist to make killfeeds happen without threatening you

[hybrid notch]

u guys think the chain sword is good

the small one handed one i think its "cadia"

[white minnow]

ye
they're one of the top horde weapons

[noble stag]

what do?

[bitter turtle]

you need maniac/unarmored for mk2 hb

so prob switch flak

no weight of fire should be ok

its mk2 so it charges fast anyway

that sjust imo though

some might argue keeping it flaniac and doing weight of fire is better

but you wont be able to 1hs dreg gunners

[supple stag]

Will this agri be serviceable?

[grand perch]

yeah thats pretty great

[supple stag]

3rd weapon spec build to my collection :)

[frank ether]

funnily enough to my warped brain bolter feels less effort to play

like, giga suppression you know

add to that bolter kinda just.. nukes humanoids with bodyshot crits

[bitter turtle]

Maybe I just find headshotting less effort than the bolter tech

I screw up the fast swap still sometimes

[supple stag]

Bolter is too slow for my liking

And more often than not I run weapon spec so eh

[umbral scaffold]

If you want to roleplay as an A-10 warthog, use the Columnus

[supple stag]

I prefer Agri when it comes to autoguns

I usually run Vraks 7 or revolver on vet tho

[frank ether]

I think the combination of no pen and hitreg issues frustrate me with v7

like I whiff too many shots to no fault of my own that it tilts me

though one mistake I did was

insisting on playing surgical v7

when headhunter is just.. better in practice

headhunter+deadshot and make use of the generous rate of fire of v7

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c044407-cebd-49ed-85d4-fa576617d8e6/trad-vet

I tried to make a irl army build, what yall think

[dreamy spade]

HUH

Just checked out shredder autopistol

That's 2 blessings in 1

[wooden dawn]

which blessing gets swapped for mercy killer

[stark hinge]

I’d get rid of executor, you lose your buff if you hit anything other than a weak spot

[agile forge]

Roll a new knife

No uncanny, 2 bad perks

[wooden dawn]

doesnt need to be god roll

[bitter turtle]

you need uncanny strikes

and

idk both perks are basically useless

so take your pick of placebo

[wooden dawn]

eh

[agile forge]

Sacrifice more on modifiers before you accept shit perks and blessings tbh

Specialists and groanwalkers are both D tier perks

Precognition is ok

[bitter turtle]

precog is good

but

you need uncanny

its non negotiable

its uncanny + riposte/precog/mercy killer for mk3 imo

i think flesh tearer might have some validity only on mk6

since the sweeping cleave can actually cleave somewhat and you can bleed poxes to death after a heavy

in theory

[agile forge]

Uncanny also makes the bleeds a lot better

[bitter turtle]

im still not sure how much its actually doing

[agile forge]

Like you get more bleed damage from flesh tearer/uncanny than flesh tearer/lacerate for example

[bitter turtle]

lacerate is just shit

but yeah

precog can 2shot crushers so its not bad

2 second buff means you have to be on point about using it though

but you are dodging a lot on knife so

[wooden dawn]

so what i am hearing is i should but more damage vs groaners on it

[rocky jacinth]

Don't sleep on riposte/FT, having the crits be super reliable makes it pretty good as a generalist weapon

It'll still kill crushers decently fast and super safe

[bitter turtle]

riposte is great too

very consistent crits

[snow cypress]

This knife is way better

Is there many difference between Uncanny 3 and 4?

[white minnow]

nah, besides uncanny 4 almost reaching the rending cap at 4 stacks instead of 5 stacks

and rending having the reduced effectiveness past 100% adms
so it's fine

[snow cypress]

oh fine fine

This knife is way better than yesterday's

This one

[hidden torrent]

None of your knives will ever be as good as the one I posted last night

Truly God tier

[candid agate]

compare it to this one

[candid agate]

my god

its so perfect

[split sapphire]

Wow

[hidden torrent]

I know, perfection is a beautiful and terrible sight to behold, yet I am the custodian of perfection, set to guard it for all eternity

[candid agate]

i dont even know what to say

im dumbfounded by its glory

[hidden torrent]

The weapon in which I can never sell

[sinful swallow]

Bolter will always have a spot in arsenal for me

Surgical Deadshot and at least I can pretend to have ammo efficiency

[ocean heron]

should I grab revvy for infiltrate build I'm making

or should I do a headhunter

[candid agate]

can anyone give me a good autogun build for stealth veteran

[gray finch]

lovely 230% ammo pick up with a lasgun

in reality it like 190% since i dont se every ammo

[wanton dawn]

Stop eating all the ammo

Jk

[gray finch]

survivalist nerf making the veteran 2nd zealot

but harder

[wanton dawn]

Dont we have moar dmg potential though ?

[gray finch]

we are slower before we do dmg the proper zealot will already be done killing

and mostly it doesnt have problem with armoured enemy with most melee weapons un like ver who got 2 melee weapons for this and a granade

i mean carap

[wanton dawn]

Fair

[gray finch]

the zealot press 1 button and killing the crushers with FOTF

[marble yew]

Damn you Hadron

Been trying to roll a perfect plasma gun for a while now

[hidden torrent]

69 ammo pog

[dreamy spade]

Shit stats anyway

[marble yew]

shit stats?

[woeful ibex]

Shit

I just got the armors now

fucking a the grind

[slender turtle]

Is the substained fire blessing worth holding onto or even punishing salvo?

[elfin violet]

imo you can't beat the Killshot's duty uniform

[tall torrent]

Sustained fire is a little better but both are bad for recon Lasguns

[slender turtle]

Yeah. I like the perks but the blessings i can remove both for DD and infernus

[tall torrent]

congrats

[tall torrent]

Get dum dum + headhunter

[woeful ibex]

thanks

[slender turtle]

Why not infernus

[tall torrent]

Mk7a shoots too slow to apply it to good effect

[slender turtle]

Yeah i tried it in a hab drayko. Ive used the same setup on my gunker and for some reason i was thinking the crit chance carried over

[lilac kayak]

Yes a huge slog to get the armor,

I'm at a point to where I'm speed running sedition for completing boring complete 50 mission penances.

[elfin violet]

what's a good ranged weapon to go with the combat knife? I'm on Veteran

[lilac kayak]

Revolver, Columnus IA or even plasma gun if u want meta

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver, plasma, Columnus mk5 IAG, mk2 laspistol

[elfin violet]

I'm going for a more stealthy build, if that helps

[sinful swallow]

I'm a huge fan of Las pistol

Zarona is super snooze it's too good lol

[elfin violet]

I kinda wish there was a handgun somewhat between the las pistol and the revolver

I've mostly used the Zarona, it definitely packs a punch but I feel like it could definitely have more ammo, especially with the randos I get

[tall torrent]

There kind of is (mk10 laspistol) but it’s really not that great for veteran (not nearly as bad for zealot & psyker tho)

[elfin violet]

what's the difference between the Mk2 and the Mk10?

[tall torrent]

Mk2 has higher firerate and less dmg

But the main practical difference is that mk2 actually kills specialists decently fast

Whereas mk10 really struggles to kill specialists

And since veteran doesn’t have easily accessible extra tools besides gun to kill specials at range

Taking 4 headshots to kill a flamer on a slow firerate gun is just not good

[unique sorrel]

i feel like the shotgun somewhat fills that role, having more rounds and less damage than the revolver

but ofc accuracy issues

[elfin violet]

I like that the revolver can reach out if it absolutely needs to

[gaunt hinge]

just use the slug shotty 🙂

[sinful swallow]

Very different experience for me

I run Deadshot and shock trooper though so I'm critting mostly

[slender turtle]

The mk7 recon just... ugh

[tall torrent]

Mk10 is 1 less shot to kill than mk2 if both get 1 crit weakspot, but mk2 non-Crit kills faster

[sinful swallow]

Mk10 also has penetration

I guess ranged cleave is the accurate term

[tall torrent]

Same cleave

[sinful swallow]

Mk2 cleaves too??

[tall torrent]

Both are 1.5 cleave (cannot shoot through anything that’s not groaner)

[sinful swallow]

I don't think that's right

[elfin violet]

I'm testing them out in the meat grinder, they seem to have the same penetration

[tall torrent]

It is though

Mk10 is just in a really weird spot

[sinful swallow]

Mk10 is ass then

[tall torrent]

If it had same cleave as Helbore it would have been more useful

[tall torrent]

For veteran, yes

[sinful swallow]

What's a damage breakpoint if you can just shoot way faster anyways

[tall torrent]

For zealot u can sorta bypass the bad maniac dmg with throwing knives

For psyker u have assail & brain burst

[tall torrent]

Well the thing is, mk10 doesn’t hit that many breakpoints

Flamer TTK is slow

It can’t non-crit 1 shot both gunners

It can 1 tap both shotgunners

That’s about it

[sinful swallow]

But you can reliably crit or 2 tap so your kill times are pretty short assuming they're not tagged at all

[tall torrent]

Mk2 hits 2 taps

3 on dreg Gunner without dum dum stacks

[sinful swallow]

If you go all the way through marksman focus stacks though wouldn't mk2 hit same breakpoints

Like it's really not that far behind on alpha damage in the first place

[tall torrent]

Somewhat but I don’t go marksman focus for laspistol

The main difference is that

Non-Crit ttk, mk2 wins by a pretty wide margin, especially on flamers and trappers

When you factor in crit, mk10 is maybe a little better

It’s just that non-crit is the significantly more reliable way to build

At least on veteran

[sinful swallow]

It's less point intensive

[gilded wraith]

Any obvious issues? Running Mk3 Combat Blade, Mk5 Columnus

[tall torrent]

Are you running triple stam

[gilded wraith]

One +3 stamina, one health, one toughness

I could maybe swap out the health curio and add another stamina. All three have stamina regen as perks.

[rocky jacinth]

Rending Strikes does jack shit, kill it

[tall torrent]

Also I don’t think you need rending strikes

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, maybe a staminia regen node in it's place?

[rocky jacinth]

Agile Engagement is insanely good

[tall torrent]

U alrdy have one, not sure if u need another

Personally I’d give up deadshot

Agile engagement is pretty good

Target down is a pretty good pickup too

If you’re not going for redirect fire

[gilded wraith]

Thanks, I'll try a few rounds with it.

[rocky jacinth]

or you could do what the cat said and upgrade your keystone

[gilded wraith]

Modified it to this per suggestions, I'll play around with the last point:

[bronze atlas]

wrath or bm for a horde clear power sword?

[elder fiber]

bm

[lime phoenix]

bm ofc

especially on mk III

the heavies absolutely mulch hordes

[gilded wraith]

I think bm is prefered on both

[elder fiber]

Don't ever want wrath on ps

[lime phoenix]

sunder can work on mk 6 too but bm is still better

[bronze atlas]

yeah checkin because it showed up on melk

the base cleave is pretty fat so i figured there was a chance but i guess its hard to beat free damage + cleave as many heads as you can

[orchid hemlock]

what is better for vet 2 tough 1 stam or 1 health 1 tough 1 stam?

[bronze atlas]

2 tough or even 3 depending on your weapons

[tall torrent]

Take at least 1 stam regen boost since ur playing knife

[gilded wraith]

That makes it easy for the last point, thanks for the help!

[dreamy spade]

youve got to be shitting me

[tall torrent]

Carapace not as good as elite
It’s dead if you wanted perfect revolver but u can change both blessings and it’ll prob be fine

[elfin violet]

I'm so close to getting my smoke grenade pants + being able to have useful grenades

[crude fiber]

I enjoy smokes when I use them. I just don't use them very often

[elfin violet]

There's almost always a time when I think "man I'd rather have something that goes boom"

[rocky jacinth]

Krak is the worst grenade in the game and I'm tired of pretending it's not

[wild vortex]

why?

[candid agate]

counter point, smoke grenade

[radiant chasm]

Ice cold take

[rocky jacinth]

I'll be honest, I kind of started to appreciate smokes after having to do the penance

Doing the Krak penance was the worst kind of CBT

[candid agate]

i try my best to use smokes and they just dont work for me

[candid agate]

to be fair that penance is badly designed, getting 500 kills with a single target weapon is dumb

[elder fiber]

Smokes have a niche but its not communicated well and that dogshit penance teaches people to use them wrong

[tall torrent]

Smoke is a defense utility/cover tool

[candid agate]

i do use them like that

[tall torrent]

It’s basically psyker dome shield but different flavour

[rocky jacinth]

They're amazing to yeet into gunner lines/any open space with random shooters that are otherwise a pain to deal with

Like that one map with the staircase down in the beginning? Smoke nade and it's 100% free

But I'm a W+M1 kind of player so it's 👌

[iron marten]

The water mission

[tall torrent]

Smoke is also the only grenade in veteran’s Arsenal that requires nothing more than a simple regen talent

[candid agate]

pyro main detected, opinion invalidated (jk)

[tall torrent]

You gotta specify cuz several of them have stairs pretty early on

[candid agate]

true but frags can do a lot with the right build

[rocky jacinth]

And about kraks, you could bring it against armor or you could bring frags, pop a combat stim, chuck 2 and kill 15 crushers instead of 2 crushers

[tall torrent]

Frags are the best grenade we alrdy know that

[candid agate]

true but too boring for me

[rocky jacinth]

Even without a stim you do a LOT of damage, cleanup becomes easy

[sinful swallow]

The penances definitely made me appreciate the kit a lot more

And it also annoyed me with the taxes you have to pay just to take a specific nade or ability

[elder fiber]

twinned blast and the node that gives 1 more nade should be combined imo

[tall torrent]

smoke -> move speed aura has some of the best pathing nodes available

[hybrid token]

you ever do a mission that feels like 3 times more enemies than usual but its just a regular amount

felt like 5k easy lmao

[real osprey]

what perks are suggested for a shotgun

[rocky jacinth]

I'd put crit on it at least

[umbral scaffold]

crit goes hard

[lyric bridge]

45min mission - brutal

[terse idol]

I mean okay to be fair, there's rarely ever 15 crushers

And also that's using like, 1 combat stim, eh I mean you're kinda right

[tall torrent]

It’s usually pack of 6

[terse idol]

If there's 15 crushers a krak can sometimes kill multiple of them if they're close enough

[tall torrent]

Unless scab no ammo maelstrom

[terse idol]

Oh yeah theenn

There's like 15

😌

[trim steppe]

When that happens there's usually 1 (or 2) teammates who aren't quite pulling enough weight. For you to hit 900k while 2 of your team didn't clear 500k, seems like you were picking up a lot of slack

[wild vortex]

I once saw a pack of 8 or actually two packs of 4 in succession that I took down 4 apiece with successive folding shovel hits on Ogryn

Very satisfying

[somber axle]

Tauntgryn is my fav way to play now

no more twin stubber, only love for smashing things and taunting things

[frank basin]

The line goes “you hitting like a child”

[sinful swallow]

Thunderous blood letter chaxe can one hit a crusher too

[lilac eagle]

Honest to God just send 10k at me

A 'super horde' mode where its just endless trash would tickle my brain

[lilac kayak]

A 15 fps mode indeed

[lilac eagle]

Look I can get behind making games accessible for everyone, regardless of PC specs, buuuut I have a beast for a reason

Lemme stress it

[hollow ibex]

why not 40K

[gray finch]

i just had this game and team change twice

[midnight totem]

Alrighty

4300 penance points

No more easy penance points now, hard grind the rest of the way

[tall torrent]

Did u finish all class penances

[next spade]

which blessings on Vraks Semi auto?

[tall torrent]

Surgical + deadly accurate

[midnight totem]

Most of them

12 games to go and I'll be completely done with psyker

[tall torrent]

if u haven't, auric damnation every mission gives a lot of points

[midnight totem]

I've done all of them

[tall torrent]

Oh lol

[midnight totem]

Auric damnation, that is

Gotta stab 80 more people with flying zealot knives

Burn 500 more with the napalm nades, so that's easy

Working slowly on orgyn atm

Man, I nuked a cluster of 8 reapers with my frag bomb

It was such a good play and then immediately I was annoyed because the penance says nuke 25 or more

No progress on the penance

Completely stupid lol

[white minnow]

i prefer opening salvo + surgical since opening salvo is practically up all the time on the headhunters

and lets you easily reach gunner oneshots

with 10% damage from grey nodes or fire team, +15% elite damage, and longshot, a decently statted headhunter will reach oneshots on gunners but this is range-dependent
you could take +10% elite damage to make this range larger
this doesn't matter if you're taking marksman focus anyways
but opening salvo is a good amount of value since it is effectively 20% power every shot since you're not going to be shooting faster than its reset time often unless you are a god gamer

[somber axle]

If you've got a Vet friend squad up together and make them take Field Improvisation. One of you (or both of you if you're lucky) grab onto ammo crates and hoard them until a horde spawns then let him feed you grenades from every hit of the ammo crate

Very quick and easy to get done

Extra funny for progress on the penance during objective segments

stuck at flesh tree in Hab Dreyko? you're gonna use every last grenade in both ammo crates and get progress on each of them

[midnight totem]

I am my own vet friend

[rain radish]

So I wanna get the infiltrator chest piece what does suppressing an enemy while stealth mode mean?

[midnight totem]

Means you stealth

And break stealth next to some shoot boys

[somber axle]

When Stealth breaks enemies around you are suppressed so just stealth and run up to enemies then shoot or hit something in melee to force stealth to break

this will work on hordes of groaners but it will not work on poxwalkers

you can do this on ranged trash too

dreg shooters/scab shooters

[rain radish]

Sweetness thx

[somber axle]

you'll know it worked when enemies briefly duck their heads and stop attacking/moving

[midnight totem]

I'll get the penance in due time, it'll just take a while

[pseudo fiber]

We're getting there gamers

[mental cloud]

Ayyy im always looking for Vets to run with. Something about 3 Vets and ogryn just feels right!

[somber axle]

If I were a less sneaky cat I'd be down to join but I must remain hidden unfortunately. Sorry! But there are lots of really good Vets here to play with 😄

[mental cloud]

Oh I get it man, it was more of an open invite. I agree, get vets together to knock out penances is goated for sure.

[agile forge]

What infiltrate modifiers are actually good BTW?

[tall torrent]

Overwatch
Low profile
Hunter’s resolve

[agile forge]

If it matters I am using zarona and a cleaving chainsword 4

Is low profile worth it then?

It isn't redundant with hunters?

[tall torrent]

some people like it for obj and backline dive

[agile forge]

Or the suppression effect

[wild vortex]

Fellas

Is Boltgun truly bad?

Or is it just not meta

[tall torrent]

it's rly just not that great rn and outclased by most other weapons

but u can play it and have fun with it

[wild vortex]

Hmm

[hollow ibex]

kinda sad atm

[bitter turtle]

its not bad

but you cant spray with it

you need to use it like a sniper

[tame lodge]

Surgical babeeee

[snow panther]

vet friends i had dumb question, with chainsword horde clearin, you guys using spam left or charge attacks on hordes? xD

[somber axle]

Depends on which variant

[grim widget]

add decimator iv and unarmored?

[somber axle]

Mk IV Chainsword does heavies for horde clear

[snow panther]

is mark iv

[somber axle]

Mk XIIIg does light spam

[snow panther]

ahh got it, ty <333

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[hidden torrent]

@somber axle can I see the forbidden recon build

the one where you destoryed that crusher

[somber axle]

I am at work and the Rolling Stones are playing at the Allegiant Stadium so I have no time to go on my rant right now

Maybe on lunch break in another hour and a half!

But I will try to remember to share the clownery later

[elfin violet]

combat knife users, which do you prefer and why?

I've been using the mk VI since I unlocked it, but I think I might swap back after messing around with them both in the psykhanium

[bitter turtle]

mk6

i think its jsut better

just spam push attack when you need single target

[bitter turtle]

you just need onslaught on the tree

and some combination of damage boosts

[tall torrent]

At least for veteran, mk6 is the very clear winner in majority of situations because it can hit the exact same breakpoints while having a more versatile moveset

With that said if you just want to light spam at horde, mk3 is a bit better at that

[bitter turtle]

here, im almost certain this is the build they use, maybe move 1 or 2 points somewhere on preferences like kill zone vs opening salvo or saccing a dmg node for demo team so you actually have nade regen

https://i.gyazo.com/afdd3d23cc0a6eef17e4112efc2ef2bf.png

there is only 1 way to build onslaught automatic guns

cause it is so expensive to take onslaught

you give up keystone and grab as much dmg as you can manage to afford

[hidden torrent]

Thanks bbg

[bitter turtle]

i would probably drop 1 of the dmg nodes (precision strikes, elite dmg, rending strikes, or ogryn dmg) for demo team

since not having grenade regen sucks

but which you sac deepnds on your melee probably

prob comes down to saccing precision strikes or rending strikes
alternatively just go VOC so you can pick up demo stockpile

[tall torrent]

Wanna play

[bitter turtle]

sure

[hollow rose]

my finger hurts from holding crouch button help

[tame lodge]

The toggle on the settings:

[olive tartan]

Odd question but is there still anyway to get the Moebian 21st set? I know it’s a PC exclusive but I see console players with it around.

[hidden torrent]

worst thing ever

[vernal sundial]

binding crouch to side mouse button and sprint to space has been the greatest thing for my fingers

[wild vortex]

Controller gaming

[woeful ibex]

@lilac kayak me too. I just switched to tier 1-3 difficulty to speed run Mission complete Penances

[crude fiber]

im telling yall try the membringer build for that one

[hollow rose]

whatbringer

[bitter turtle]

lawbringer shotgun

[pseudo fiber]

Nice that's one

[trim steppe]

Congrats friend! I also just got that one a second ago, from a group of randoms with no comms no less

[hollow rose]

i just cant get goddamn manstopper on lawbringer

[pseudo fiber]

same here

[trim steppe]

You gotta camp the requisition shop for blue shotties with your vet and/or zealot. It'll rotate through eventually

[opaque crane]

Are trench fighter & desperado needed for hb2 bayonet?

[iron marten]

trench fighter: no
desperado: not needed, but it does get the benefits of it

[lilac kayak]

Or just make a new vet or zel to farm solely t2 manstopper

[pseudo fiber]

4/5 on A.S.S and it rolls into monsterous specialists

Not this time game

[hollow rose]

legit not even funny, i wasted basically all my plasteel and diamentine

[somber axle]

Am lunch break so here you go

THE RECON GIF as well as the Recon originally used in making it

I have a much better Recon now

[trim steppe]

A max level character will almost never roll a T2 blessing at Hadron. You gotta buy it in a shop or roll a lower level character to upgrade shotties for the T2s

[somber axle]

You want Maniac or Flak instead of Ranged Critical Hit Damage

As always disclaimer time

[opaque crane]

Thanks! I tried throwing together a hb2 build and I think I am on the right track

[hollow rose]

that's such a terrible system

[hollow ibex]

terrible system? in my fatshart game??

[wild vortex]

Fartshart

[terse idol]

You just don't need it

Like it actually makes the pool smaller

[hollow rose]

are blessings at least account-wide?

[terse idol]

When you hunt for blessings

[terse idol]

Yes

[hollow rose]

fuck it, im going crab

[terse idol]

Like why would you want

To get a t2 blessing

At max level

To corrupt your blessing pool

[hollow rose]

how about not creating a full rng gambling system for build creation?

[terse idol]

I mean you can control aspects of it

But yes

The devs are aware it's bad

[wild vortex]

Imagine that

[terse idol]

And hopefully they change it later this year sometime

Maybe next month

[hidden torrent]

Thanks bbg/clown

[somber axle]

1. Recon Mk VId can delete Crushers with a funny TTK and very little ammo cost using this build but it requires Onslaught, Rending Strikes, Focus Target and Executioner's Stance from the talent tree as well as Headhunter, Infernus blessings and +Carapace perk to push it to do this
2. No Voice of Command or Infiltrate means you have much less survivability than other builds
3. You want triple Stam curios with stamina regen perks for a total +9 Stam from your curios with another +1 from the Stam talent node near the top of the talent tree to fuel Deadshot crits
4. Focus Target + Target Down helps improve damage, gives you a general toughness regen boost and a Stam regen boost which all play massively into your survival and your damage. You must be used to consistently pinging specials/elites to get the most value of it
5. Duck and Dive is for pushing to the Frontline and baiting shooters so you can dodge them and restore more stamina for more Deadshot uptime for more damage and better ammo economy/better ammo efficiency per target in the middle of combat for even more Deadshot crit uptime
6. Even with all that stamina boosting you will still need to watch your stamina bar and know when to swap between aiming down sights and hip firing to give stamina time to regen during longer bursts
7. Ammo economy is dependent on how good you are at maintaining stamina for consistent Deadshot crit stacking with Headhunter blessing. You will need to have solid aim and keep your crosshairs on heads to maintain good crit strings for free shots through Shock Trooper
8. All this said you will still struggle on two things: boss damage and killing muties. All other maniacs die quick. If you have +Maniac damage as a perk it alleviates that somewhat. Infernus helps alleviate poor boss DPS but it is better to have a handy melee weapon that can do better boss DPS for monstrosities
9. Assuming equal skill level, another Veteran using a Columnus Infantry Autogun will have superior DPS across the board and this build only has superior ammo economy dependent on your ability to maintain Deadshot, crit strings and hovering cursor over heads

Minor edit to #5 to fix a mistake and add further clarification

If you read all this and still want to try the Recon Mk VId welcome to Clown Combat

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[hidden torrent]

so just use Rashad

is all I see here

[somber axle]

Rashad is a very solid melee pick to pair with the Recon

Good horde clear, good boss DPS

Covers the weaknesses of the Recon Mk VId very, very well

[hidden torrent]

As long as you can fight a boss in melee of course

[somber axle]

Yes

[hidden torrent]

and I've recently figured out how to melee kill BON with Rashad

[somber axle]

All worth it for killing Crushers with a Recon and making team mates wonder how it happened

And for doing it in 10-13 ammo used

On a weapon with 800 reserve ammo and 100 ammo per clip

[oblique totem]

Truly a pioneer of the art of honkfare.

[somber axle]

900 total ammo at the start of a mission

[bitter turtle]

aspd boosts dont help

[somber axle]

And you only need 10-13 ammo to kill Crushers

[somber axle]

I experiment a lot because while I recognize meta builds are meta for a reason I also get terribly bored following cookie cutter meta talent trees

So I play with whatever weapon I want and change my talent tree however I want

[last parcel]

i don't cut cookies

[somber axle]

And experiment with funny builds

[last parcel]

i cut something else

[oblique totem]

I personally find the idea of meta builds incredibly dull

It takes away the fun and planning parts and just gives you a list of rules to follow

[somber axle]

It helps for new players

They can see what is generally strong

[oblique totem]

Can't disagree with that point

[somber axle]

After you learn talents and synergies you can kick off the training wheels and begin engaging in CLOWN SCIENCE

[bitter turtle]

Do you take focus just to access target down for more stam

[opaque crane]

I’m using this and was bringing the krak grenades for bosses… I’ll accept any advice with open arms

[bitter turtle]

Cause I'm p sure precision + elite gives more damage

[oblique totem]

Once I found out that rending and brittleness were the same, the possibilities really opened up

[bitter turtle]

Understandable if you are though

[tall torrent]

why 5% reload speed

[bitter turtle]

Any stam possible prolly helps fuel deadshot 6d insanity

[opaque crane]

That’s ranged damage

[bitter turtle]

Um

[tall torrent]

no

[oblique totem]

More stam = more deadshot time

[tall torrent]

ranged dmg is the node above it

[opaque crane]

Oh in-game I have ranged damage

[bitter turtle]

You really want deadshot

[opaque crane]

I did it on my phone

Okay I can grab deadshot

[tall torrent]

I'd also drop target down tbh

[bitter turtle]

Honestly

Even shock trooper isn't really needed

I don't think hbs run out of ammo

[tall torrent]

helbore deadshot I'm not a fan of because WoF drops stacks on entering/exiting ADS

[bitter turtle]

Even if you take nothing lol

[oblique totem]

Between deadshot and +30 percent weakpoint damage, which one should I take if I had to choose?

[bitter turtle]

Weakpoint

Is usually really important for your melee as well

[tall torrent]

also take 15% elite dmg

[opaque crane]

Well geez I got 2 different opinions lol

[oblique totem]

Always

[bitter turtle]

Well

Try it and see how you feel @ deadshot

[oblique totem]

20 monstrosities and 15 elite damage are my go-to

[bitter turtle]

He has a point as well but I don't really care about wof on hb2

It already charges faster than I can aim sometimes

[tall torrent]

deadshot is playable I'm just not a fan of it because it somewhat requires u to switch in/out of ADS to manage stamina, and Weight of Fire (faster charge speed with consecutive shots) drops ALL stacks on entering/exiting ADS

[oblique totem]

plus krak grenades plus tinkerer means I can melt the average plague ogryn

[tall torrent]

if ur playing le funny no respite build maybe it's better

[bitter turtle]

Ye

I'm playing le funny no respite

[tall torrent]

but no respite doesn't help ur 1 tap BPs

[bitter turtle]

It doesnt

But it gives me 2 tap rager bayonet

Lol

[tall torrent]

I'd also consider dropping grenadier

[real osprey]

do I acquire?

[tall torrent]

no

[bitter turtle]

What's your melee btw

Shredders are better than kraks as long as your melee can deal with carapace

[opaque crane]

I can swap that out

I bring psword with helbore

[bitter turtle]

Yeah just use shredder frag

You can 2 shot crushers

What do you need anti armor for

Knocking them down with frags and poking their eyes out will be faster than chucking 3 kraks and maybe killing 4 or 5 of them at best

[opaque crane]

I was thinking for easy boss damage but I do have unyielding on psword so it doesn’t matter really

[bitter turtle]

And that's assuming they don't magnetize to the same dude

Well

[trim steppe]

He was looking for Manstopper, which doesn't exist except as a T2.

[bitter turtle]

Kraks do have a good niche on bosses

If you really hate monstrosities

Go ahead and keep it

The stunlock is actually a legitimate niche

[opaque crane]

Not really I was just explaining my thought process

But frag cc and utility is useful too

[tall torrent]

we just played with someone running devastating strike on chainsword mk13g and he ended up with less melee kills than me with a knife

devastating strike really needs a buff/rework
bloodletter is ok but mk13g specifically wants wrath + rampage/shred

[opaque crane]

I am used to running infiltrate on weapon spec is that okay on a ranged build or voc just make more sense?

[somber axle]

To be fair numbers cat you are basically a god as far as skill level and knowledge so someone competing with you on kills/damage is already handicapped even before weapon choice/blessings

[tall torrent]

Voc is the shorter route that costs less points

[bitter turtle]

Infiltrate is always fine but voc is probably better if you don't plan to be aggressive

[tall torrent]

I'm not that good at this game lol

[bitter turtle]

He was just trying to help me finish my suppression penance obv

[ember folio]

i wanna play the most basic fps loadout ever, like a bog standard assault rifle and stuff

[opaque crane]

Understood

[somber axle]

You wrote the guide for Vets, you showed off 1 sec TTK on Crushers using a combo with a knife and you were outdoing a Chainsword user on horde kills using a knife too

[bitter turtle]

Powderburn + terrifying barrage :^)

[somber axle]

You are much better than the average player

[bitter turtle]

Columnus iag

Enjoy

[ember folio]

does it hold up in auric and stuffs?

[bitter turtle]

It's a top 3 gun

Yes

[ember folio]

SWEET

[tall torrent]

Truly peak

[ember folio]

thank

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[somber axle]

For those curious about 1 sec kill time knife combo:

[bitter turtle]

Based guy helping me on suppression penance

[white minnow]

p much all the weapons can be justified besides only 2 or so being noticeably worse than the others

[bitter turtle]

The only time I ever want to see terrifying barrage on my team

Kek

[tired monolith]

went for the jugular

[last parcel]

terrify my nuts lmao

[ember folio]

mk 5?

[tall torrent]

He shot at poxwalkers who can’t even be suppressed gg

[last parcel]

holy based

[somber axle]

Hate Crushers, Kill Crushers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[old quail]

i cry every day im reminded that the tactical axes all have a single heavy damage profile

[oblique totem]

If you can't suppress poxwalkers, you just aren't using enough dakka

[white minnow]

you will enjoy your mk4

[tired monolith]

on my ogryn i just stun/ smack/ bleed stack with shield until he ded

[bitter turtle]

Imo, having played infiltrate on almost all my builds:

Is only ever competitive with voc if you play aggressive and push in. If you use it just to revive and/or run away on a build you hang back and shoot from the rear you might as well voc

Since your team is prob always close

[old quail]

[tall torrent]

why does thunder hammer H2 malform characters' hand

[somber axle]

I've been slowly working my way through Ogryn penances after finishing Vet, Psyker and Zealot 100% and I tend to use the Ripper gun with Can Opener blessing before bursting them in the face to instagib Crushers

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[oblique totem]

I do not understand the point of combat axes

[opaque crane]

I’d probably stick with voc on hb2 for a while then because I’m not as comfortable with being hyper-aggressive with it.

[tall torrent]

simple, they kill everything

[somber axle]

Ogrynomicon is a delight

[tall torrent]

rashad is not best in a specific area but is like 2nd ~ 3rd best in most things

at least for veteran

[bitter turtle]

tbf

i have seen

way worse dmg score than him

lul

[tall torrent]

Oh for sure

[bitter turtle]

did i tell you

the other day

we did a 15 min auric mael

[terse idol]

Only good if you build it

[bitter turtle]

and some dude was absolutely malding

not speedrunning, just running over the map

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

That 6 ammo bag Gunlugger ogryn we played with in mercantile

[oblique totem]

This is kind of scary

[bitter turtle]

he had 75k dmg at the end

[white minnow]

at least at their core, combat axes are single-target weapons
but the brutal momentum blessing exists and also gives them hordeclear

[opaque crane]

This is what I run with rashad but I sacrificed my grenade so I could take the 2 stamina regen time nodes

[tall torrent]

O4B Rashad
Based

However

[somber axle]

That's how we win. By being scarier than whatever monsters the heretics can conjure up. I want Wolfer asking his lieutenants to check under his bed for me at night

[tall torrent]

Get at least 1 nade regen (trust me)

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/f3e3e455b1439f9c94446b3f793cfeaa.jpg

he was raging

[opaque crane]

Even for smokes though?

[bitter turtle]

at our psyker

[tall torrent]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

for running faster than him

except he's a zealot

[terse idol]

Funny break point

[oblique totem]

But at what cost?

[opaque crane]

I’ll grab demo team

[white minnow]

oh that was me

society kills

[bitter turtle]

LOL

[last parcel]

i am the night

[bitter turtle]

thats funny

ya

that guy was hilarious

he tried to wipe us too

[oblique totem]

My point exactly

[tall torrent]

There will come a moment when you need some cover out in the open against gunner & shotgunner spam

[bitter turtle]

on the big drop down

[white minnow]

he was angry at me in another game IMMEDIATELY from the mission start because i was running knife

[ember folio]

someone please give me the power to deck hadron in the face for ruining every single damn gun

[white minnow]

i'm 60% sure he's a troll

because he always runs ahead and is also running shroudfield

or he's just the biggest hypocrite

[last parcel]

only after 3 hours of diamantine pegging

[ember folio]

diamantine? plasteel is the issue

[iron marten]

dumb question but is helbore immune to suppression?

[bitter turtle]

I have skipped it for smokes in 1 build

[last parcel]

diamantine makes better toy material

[bitter turtle]

It's workable but it's still best to have it if you can

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[ember folio]

oh jeez okay

[oblique totem]

Sorry, need it to hoard

[tall torrent]

Yes

[iron marten]

Bruh, guess I have one free point lmao

Been running supp immunity for like a week now lmao

[bitter turtle]

Hb, plasma shotgun and laspistol

Suppression immune

[white minnow]

yeah some weapons are just not that affected by suppression for some reason

[somber axle]

The price of a clown costume from the nearest Spirit Halloween

[bitter turtle]

Idk about other classes

I assume flamers are suppression immune

[opaque crane]

Thank to both of you for the advice 🤘 it’s much appreciated

[white minnow]

ye

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

[white minnow]

braced stuff doesn't get suppressed and whatnot

[tall torrent]

Flamer
All psyker staves

Braced also doesn’t rly care abt suppression

Also ogryn cannot be suppressed

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-pomni-pomni-digital-circus-gif-1945425313432911566

[oblique totem]

dakka cannot be defeated by bigger dakka

[tall torrent]

So u can count all ogryn ranged weapons as suppression immune

Veteran rly should just have suppression immunity as a baseline trait instead of a talent pickup

[somber axle]

I never realised how many things have suppression immunity

Maybe they should bake in suppression immunity to the cover system no one uses on Vet

[tall torrent]

Just make it baseline trait and work all the time

[umbral scaffold]

autoguns will suppress anyone holding rifle just requires half a magazine

[bitter turtle]

Of course it cant

The braindead class has even less to think about

Jk

[white minnow]

at least the spread increase from suppression should be kneecapped

i'm fine with sway, but god just let me counteract it with my own aim

[tall torrent]

Make veteran immune to suppression

I think zealot getting suppressed is fine

[white minnow]

i just don't use certain guns on zealot/psyker because of it

[bitter turtle]

I can see that

It's weird to have v7 as an option on them

[tall torrent]

Revolver yea

And headhunter

[bitter turtle]

When it's borderline unplayable without suppression immunity

[white minnow]

guh

[tall torrent]

Also infantry Lasguns lol

[oblique totem]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/c5/0c/14c50c98cee2b10bd13ac9660fc8b17b.png

[umbral scaffold]

if i can make it work in auric so can you, im literally regarded

[white minnow]

it works and the guns are still very good

[bitter turtle]

You can make any gun work on zealot

Just take tknives

[white minnow]

but the fact that it feels bad just turns me off from using it

[bitter turtle]

And melee

And never take the gun out

:^)

[white minnow]

i'm on the braced auto grindset on zealot solely because of suppression

(well not solely)

but man i would be using other guns more occasionally

[tall torrent]

I think 3 of the 4 can be explained sorta by lore

Lucius Lasguns are used by kriegers who are known for their unflinching stoicism so it kinda makes sense that they can’t be suppressed
Also the heavy wooden rifle stock maybe helps stabilize aim idk

Laspistols are often used by imperial guard officers who’re also trained to not flinch in the face of enemy fire

Plasma gun is uh
If you’re brave enough to use one you probably don’t care about enemies shooting at u

As for shotgun I have no idea why

[bitter turtle]

Yeehaw

[frigid hare]

so how do you actually use marksman's focus

i feel like it's really hard t o just never move

[bitter turtle]

Click on head

[white minnow]

shoot head

[bitter turtle]

Play normally

Win

[umbral scaffold]

this is my problem solver

[frigid hare]

i played normally a whole match and i think i hit 10 stacks like once, for maybe 4 seconds

before i had to dodge something

[bitter turtle]

Click on head better

You have 3 sec to move every time you hit a head

6 if you kill

[white minnow]

yeah though the stacks don't decay for 3 seconds on a headshot hit and 6 seconds on a headshot kill

it is EXTREMELY lenient

[bitter turtle]

And stacks drop slowly

1 by 1

[frigid hare]

oh i didn

t know stacks had a grace period on any head hit

[bitter turtle]

yes

used to be 1 sec on hit, 3 on kill

but they buffed it

[tall torrent]

I think it can get more lenient
Give us like 3s free movement window for melee weakspot hits

[bitter turtle]

bc a lot of players could not use it properly

[white minnow]

eh, marksman is easy to rack up anyways

having an economy that goes up and down is nice

[bitter turtle]

i thought it was perfectly ok pre buff

but

i get why they buffed it

[white minnow]

yeah and it doesn't affect me much so whatevs
even if I dislike the buff

[bitter turtle]

the avg player prob find sit unusable

at 1 and 3 sec

[white minnow]

on a side note, steal the ranged portion of zealot's duellist and give it to marksman as an upgrade node in some form

[ivory sparrow]

sigh
Woooooo.... chipping away

[bitter turtle]

melee kilsl count

just crabwalk and stab things

with a knife

and dodge sideways to move around

[ivory sparrow]

indeed its just....

[trim steppe]

shredder frag kills count too, if you're an max stacks when you throw it

[somber axle]

Psst

[ivory sparrow]

orly

thats cool

[bitter turtle]

unironically the best way to finish it

[somber axle]

Do you know the power of Lawbringer with Manstopper and Scattershot blessings to trivialize that penance?

[ivory sparrow]

[bitter turtle]

lawbringer works too if you wanna play more naturally

i thinnk its still faster to meme crab though

[ivory sparrow]

man I dont know shit about shit. i just exist

[somber axle]

Lemme copy paste from an old comment I made

Get a Lawbringer Shotgun, put Manstopper and Scattershot blessings on it. Perks don't matter. Grab Marksman's Focus, get the camo node for stack regen on standing still. Get Infiltrate with Low Profile for the -90% threat for 10 sec on stealth break. Click heads until your Marksman's Focus is at 10 stacks then load a special shot. The special shot with the Lawbringer shotgun is a very wide horizontal shot. This is where Manstopper and Scattershot come in. Manstopper gives you massively increased cleave on critical hit. Scattershot gives you increased crit chance per extra target hit by the shotgun. These two things combined let you guaratee a crit when firing into a horde. Groaners will explode into a violent bloody fountain. Poxwalkers will evaporate into dust and maggots. Bodies will turn into clouds and every single kill goes toward the penance. You'll be able to freely load special shots again and again while mincing hordes with the Lawbringer shotgun this way

[bitter turtle]

also saves you the trouble of making a gun you may or may not want to play

[tall torrent]

Honestly at that point just crab lol

[somber axle]

Use this with Kraks and you can kill Crushers, Maulers, Bulwarks and Flak Ragers for progress on Krak 500 penance toi

[ivory sparrow]

already have everything but this marksman one done.

[somber axle]

Nah it's very low effort for matches and I did the killshot penance in 2 days on a full time work schedule without the need for friends to afk at an elevator while I shoot at poxwalkers walking toward the end of the level

The hard part is getting Manstopper and Scattershot blessings