veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

an armor piercing gun

why do you need an armor piercing grenade too

[snow cypress]

Krak grenade is bad?

[dire olive]

Honestly I see most assassination targets drop before the music does most of the time anyway

[bitter turtle]

bad is a strong word

its just niche

[somber axle]

very true

[snow cypress]

lol i thought it was the best grenade

[bitter turtle]

most loadouts now can deal with armor because of powercreep

[snow cypress]

oh

[bitter turtle]

maybe if it existed when darktide first released

when we didnt just shred crushers like paper

but right now, i'd only take it on a build that's like

devli claw + laspistol

like you literally cant kill armor

revolver deletes crushers in 2 shots

waste of a grenade to take krak

[snow cypress]

So maybe smoke or shredder?

[bitter turtle]

shredder is strongest grenade

but

its also far from infiltrate

smokes are not bad team utility

[snow cypress]

yeah

[bitter turtle]

its basically a psyker bubble

on a grenade

so

just take your pick

[snow cypress]

I have some problems dealing with big hordes

[bitter turtle]

well

frags are a good idea then

2 frags will wipe out all enemies except ogryns and maulers

[snow cypress]

I use mk6 catachan knife

[bitter turtle]

so ragers/gunners/etc all die to 2 frags

or at least are very close to death

anyway

[snow cypress]

nice

[bitter turtle]

i suggest just playina few games without survivalist

see if you actually need it

if you do, then just take frags, its a no brainer since its right above survivalist

if you don't, then you can think about if you want to sac 2 points to take frag grenades

[snow cypress]

I'll try them

[bitter turtle]

do ppl run deadshot on agri shotgun

im starting to think its not worth it, trying it out in psykarium

doesnt feel consistent still

it enables a rager bodyshot 1tap with the slug but

idk i feel like im just gonna iam for the head anyway since its still only like 30% crit rate

[rigid pilot]

You can do it without crit

Oh nvm body

I'm stupid

[bitter turtle]

ya body

[rigid pilot]

Agri with headshot damage and elite damage actually great against gunners/shotgunners on normal shots

[bitter turtle]

also im surprised that thius thing has like

no recoil

[civic knot]

Doesnt get suppression either

[bitter turtle]

i dont know how practical this is but it looks stylish at least

[trim hemlock]

Staggering Bulwarks is a nice utility

[rigid pilot]

Used to be two shots

Slug shield, slug head

Now it's more like slug shield, 2-3 normal shots to head

Similar TTK but more ammo

[bitter turtle]

id rather just melee them then

found out its actually even faster if i cancel rev with a push attack

kinda like the psword combo

[trim hemlock]

Great, as in, can you comfortably get into 1-shot range without slugs?

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[rigid pilot]

Yea

It's actually

[bitter turtle]

my flak/maniac one still oneshots dreg and scab

[rigid pilot]

Activates fullbore reliably too

[trim hemlock]

At what distance, I wonder

[rigid pilot]

Agri normal shots are so accurate

Up to 12 I think

[trim hemlock]

I may have to dedustify my Agri and see how it fares

[rigid pilot]

Depends on if you have other buffs going on

[trim hemlock]

It’s never too late to play with something whacky once in a while

[rigid pilot]

Full bore, tag, tag buff, weapon spec etc

Or agile engagement

[bitter turtle]

mine can one tap up to 15m

[rigid pilot]

I forgor my numbers

But it's definitely very reliable

[trim hemlock]

I sure have some options to choose from

Don't ask about the last one, it was a testing piece to see how Grawr's silly build fared

[bitter turtle]

was chs always capable of block cancelling rev to make it faster

🤔

i think i only did it out of habit from psword lol

but it worked

[trim hemlock]

almost as good as Yuri's

hopefully the 2% on Full Bore doesn't matter

[bitter turtle]

its ok

you have 3 more stopping power

[granite forum]

I've got a braced autogun with 80% in 3 stats

[trim hemlock]

Possible build improvements? Melee is a Combat blade

[bitter turtle]

i tried to do wep specialist but decided to just take it in a completely different direction

[trim hemlock]

I'm sort of afraid of leaving Scavenger out, but my final verdict may depend on how many things I have to shoot

[bitter turtle]

felt like i was giving up stuff like volley adept with wep special

an di really wanted those fast slugs

lol

[granite forum]

I always keep Scavenger

[abstract storm]

Is this good? I know flak armor might not be ideal but I think the rest is decent enough

[trim hemlock]

This is fine

I don’t think UY perk does anything useful, though

Both blessings are optimal

[abstract storm]

What would be good to swap unyelidng for? grabbed it mostly to help with bosses, but I sort of had to swap that slot since I got stamina rolled on it

[trim hemlock]

IIRC Elite + Flak is the way to go

[bitter turtle]

Probably do elite

It should help for dreg gunner and crusher

Among other things

[vivid silo]

Are you running VoC or ES? +Elite barely does anything for my ES build, but is handy on my VoC build for example

+Unarmored might make you able to reliably 1-shot Dreg Gunners with a headshot (if you don't already do that)

And +Unyielding has been made significantly less useful after the Plasma doesn't stagger Bulwarks anymore

[dreamy spade]

Nah unyielding is great on plasma

Blaze away + hit weakspots melts them

Flak is overkill

I'm just waiting for them to buff shovel or buff survivalist then I can actually play my plasma build again

[agile forge]

I take a chainsword with my plasma

Mark 4 cleave boi

I'm curious what buffs you think the shovel needs though

[trim hemlock]

And what does UY change, exactly?

[agile forge]

The mark 7 is really good already

[trim hemlock]

The shovels are fine. They are ass against UY, which is fair

[agile forge]

Only thing it sucks on is bosses and that's fine

[dreamy spade]

Bad modifiers

Defense and movement

This is my shovel and it still seems too quick

Special attack is good

I'm wandering if the stagger blessings work better

[whole blade]

weapons that have stagger dont need it. Weapons that dont have stagger need more damage

[dreamy spade]

Yeah Skullcrusher applies damage from stagger

[whole blade]

yeah thats damage not stagger

[dreamy spade]

Still a stagger blessing

[terse idol]

Well to be fair +elite and one or two supporting talents will also get you dredge gunner 1 shot

[vivid silo]

I think you got the wrong line, but yeah, there are conditional/situational damage boosts that can give you the breakpoint, but it depends on the specific build

[agile forge]

I'd rather drop that weak spot modifier first

idk can you oneshot crushers without carapace?

[hidden torrent]

The Vet penances are extremely tedious I won't lie

Mainly the marksman focus

[somber axle]

Hey would you like to learn a magical way to trivialize the Marksman's Focus penance?!

[hidden torrent]

Stand still and use PS

[bright cliff]

honestly having finished the marksman focus penance

not the hardest one by a bit

[hidden torrent]

It's already trivial, it's not hard, it's just tedious

[bright cliff]

fair enough

[somber axle]

You could do that or you could do THIS

Get a Lawbringer Shotgun, put Manstopper and Scattershot blessings on it. Perks don't matter. Grab Marksman's Focus, get the camo node for stack regen on standing still. Get Infiltrate with Low Profile for the -90% threat for 10 sec on stealth break. Click heads until your Marksman's Focus is at 10 stacks then load a special shot. The special shot with the Lawbringer shotgun is a very wide horizontal shot. This is where Manstopper and Scattershot come in. Manstopper gives you massively increased cleave on critical hit. Scattershot gives you increased crit chance per extra target hit by the shotgun. These two things combined let you guaratee a crit when firing into a horde. Groaners will explode into a violent bloody fountain. Poxwalkers will evaporate into dust and maggots. Bodies will turn into clouds and every single kill goes toward the penance. You'll be able to freely load special shots again and again while mincing hordes with the Lawbringer shotgun this way

[hidden torrent]

As a man with terrible adhd it's hard for me to do it

[somber axle]

Grab kraks too to continue farming the 500 krak kill penance

[hidden torrent]

Already have that

I have all of them but marksman focus

[bright cliff]

krak grenades have been harder for me thus far

[somber axle]

I did Marksman's Focus penance in like 2 days of Lawbringer memes despite working on a rough schedule with very little play time

[bright cliff]

only about 320 in after completing the mm focus penance, as well as the fireteam, close and kill, focus soldier penance

[somber axle]

No need to crabwalk either

[hidden torrent]

I use the very anti meta build of krak grenade spam in general, scab only Maelstrom makes it a lot shorter

2 days?!

Jesus

[somber axle]

Yes

I work full time

[bright cliff]

havent seen it come up yet but I am looking out for it

[hidden torrent]

I can't do one thing for 2 hours

[somber axle]

Lawbringer Manstopper/Scattershot memes let me do it fast

I was only able to play a few hours a day

It was all I needed to do that penance

[hidden torrent]

I wish every headshot counted to getting stacks even the ones that penetrate, so I could just shoot into a horde head height with plasma

I can't do marksman focus while mewing smh

[somber axle]

As a cat, I can assure you mewing is optional

[hidden torrent]

When you're looksmaxing mewing is never optional

[somber axle]

I'm sneakmaxxing so I have to practice shutting the fuck up and I'm also a clown so it's really hard

[hidden torrent]

So a mime

[somber axle]

If I could learn how to be quiet yes

https://tenor.com/view/chuchu-derpixon-mime-and-dash-gif-22727053

[hidden torrent]

It's easy, just don't talk

[somber axle]

See you'd think that would be easy but as a clown it's hard

[hidden torrent]

Is clown your occupation or self deprication

[snow cypress]

One question,does Mercy killer damage increase per each bleed stack?

[somber axle]

In Darktide the answer is yes

[somber axle]

Afaik no

[hidden torrent]

In darktide implies that it's different out of darktide

[trim hemlock]

Nope, it’s a static value

[somber axle]

Grab serrated blade from the talent tree and you are set

[snow cypress]

oki,thanks

[somber axle]

The 1 stack bleed is all you need

[somber axle]

I mean yeah I am a functioning adult outside of memeing here and in game

[snow cypress]

So Mercy killer and lacerate are bad combination,no?As i have the bleed stack talent

[hidden torrent]

You have me confused on the shutting up and clown part lmao

[somber axle]

Better to go Mercy Killer + Uncanny

[snow cypress]

yeah

[bright cliff]

uncanny is a default on any weapon that can get it

[somber axle]

I'm only a clown in the digital circus that is the internet

[bright cliff]

because someone at shatfark forgot to balance rending

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-shaking-shivering-trembling-gif-1815100900790237791

[hidden torrent]

So you just honk at me when you get backstabbed by a crusher

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-honk-ms-size-doesn't-matter-the-clown-clown-funny-gif-17349313893156847765

[snow cypress]

Other question,the bleed stack that I put at hitting is consumed by Mercy killer at the same hit or do I have to hit again to be consumed?

[bright cliff]

the bleed stacks tick normally

dmg bonus only applied on targets already bleedingp

[somber axle]

It doesn't consume bleed iirc

[hidden torrent]

What difficulty do it start honking doe

[snow cypress]

ohhh

sad

[somber axle]

HiSTG

[bright cliff]

so functionally it works onhit 2

[midnight totem]

I'm pretty sure they do

[snow cypress]

So i have to do a simple hit and then i do the heavy hit,no?

[hidden torrent]

We should play sometime

[bright cliff]

for swift dispatch consider sp-L1

[hidden torrent]

Didn't work for me when I tried it

[bright cliff]

catachan 3 knife has a nice strikedown L1 as a followup to the special attack

[midnight totem]

I fired plasma head level, 15 stacks

[snow cypress]

I really don't know if i should use catachan mk3 or mk6

[bright cliff]

heavy attack on knife really only good for getting the extra pen and when you have uncanny that stops mattering

[ivory sparrow]

so I am getting reaquanted with veteran to wrap up some penenances.
Is the only way to do the 2500 marksman stack one really to just pop a squat and plink away at shit?

[snow cypress]

Both seems to be good

[somber axle]

As a sneaky cat I hide from people but if you catch me in Standard Damnation quickplay or Auric Damnation quickplay I will do my clown dance for you for that match before I disappear again into the ether

[hidden torrent]

In one shot? I was only getting one at a time firing at a crowd, same with a friend

[midnight totem]

One shot

[somber axle]

I'm US West Region

[midnight totem]

Same with revolver. 1 shot. Three shotgunners

10 stacks

[trim hemlock]

Either plink or swing, either way works

[ivory sparrow]

oooof.... oooof

[midnight totem]

Well, should be 9

[hidden torrent]

I'm east so we'll never see one another but all I play is AM

[trim hemlock]

Grenade/bleed kills may also count, but I don’t have the capability to check for that

[snow cypress]

Is it worth it to buy a gun from Melk's shop just for a bleessing?

[ivory sparrow]

and can someone explain the fancy weapon switch keystone to me?
I thought I understood it but then I proved myself wrong

[somber axle]

It's ok you can rest easy knowing somewhere out west a clown is wreaking havoc on the local heretic population

[oblique totem]

Mimes now?
Wait, do mimes count as clowns?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[somber axle]

Yes and they're a subset of clown similar to how rodeo clowns are also a subset of clowns

[hidden torrent]

The forbidden lands

[ivory sparrow]

I mean you get the currency back in a week. its not like its gone and/or real money

[snow cypress]

yeah

[oblique totem]

Rodeo clowns. Ugh.

[snow cypress]

But it's a good weapon

[frank monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-you-know-it-i-know-it-everybody-knows-it-its-true-gif-13718499890965738450

[tame lodge]

Hit heads really fast

[snow cypress]

Well,a shovel

I'm not using it

[somber axle]

Just like with music, too much country ruins it

[hidden torrent]

Just be me and never spend I melk coins the entirety of playing darktide ever, and have a gorillian

[somber axle]

City clowns are where it is at

But digital clowns are the true champions

[hidden torrent]

You have an interesting fixation with clowns

[midnight totem]

I think they're actually an eldar harlequin in disguise

[tame lodge]

Kill with ranged get melee bonus
Swap to activate bonus
Kill with melee get ranged bonus
Swap to activate bonus

[oblique totem]

Pomni suffered so we could see the truth

[ivory sparrow]

speaking of clowns

[somber axle]

You'd think so and you would be correct. I like making people smile and laugh so I am a clown in spirit even if I don't wear the clown nose irl

[ivory sparrow]

so I did understand it correctly.
huh. guess ill just be at it for a while

[hidden torrent]

Why not

[snow cypress]

bruh,i can't use it in my knife because it came from a shovel 🤡

[somber axle]

I work a normal person job

[oblique totem]

Well you make me smile and laugh.
Well, more of a smirk.
Ok, you can't really tell but it's there.

[ivory sparrow]

tie your knife to your shovel

veterans adapt!

[hidden torrent]

I'd buy stocks from a clown

[midnight totem]

This is tech heresy, according to Hadron

[somber axle]

Thank you I'll be here for the next few seconds before sleep takes me because I worked 4 pm to midnight, got home and played Darktide until birds were singing outside my window to the tune of "dumbass you didn't sleep"

[ivory sparrow]

what ISNT a problem according to hadron

[oblique totem]

They're not wrong though

[midnight totem]

Thats fair, but everything is a problem still

[somber axle]

At least I am off today so I have nothing to worry about while sleeping

[hidden torrent]

When I've been trying to sleep all night and I hear birds chirping and still can't sleep, I get so agitated lmao

It's like bro fuck your enjoyment let me sleep

[somber axle]

You need white noise

[bright cliff]

didnt see if anyone answered your question but mk3 has better single target and mk6 gives up on single target in favor of horde clear

[somber axle]

Get a standing oscillating fan

Or like

[bright cliff]

I prefer mk3 and just take shredder frags

[somber axle]

Play oscillating fan Playlist on spotify

Just let the sound drown out the world and pass out

[hidden torrent]

I have a fan that sounds like a prop plane

I'm just a light sleeper

[somber axle]

Real fan is better though because it feels nice

[bright cliff]

I can send my build when I get home if you like

[snow cypress]

yeah,but mk3 needs to backstab,with mk6 you can use the special attack and stab

[oblique totem]

I listen to music when there be noise

[bright cliff]

mk3 has the same special attack stab combo

[snow cypress]

oh

[bright cliff]

I find the mk3 is generally better

I can show you if you like or you can test yourself

[midnight totem]

So does the mk6

Well it's is slightly different

[bright cliff]

built right you don’t need to backstab at all and can face down most every opponent

[midnight totem]

I use the mk6 for Haymaker memes

[bright cliff]

I think the sweeping heavy on the mk6 is alr but ig the mk3 moveset is just simpler to me

[bright cliff]

mk6 doing knife things for sure

maybe I just havent spent enough time with it

idk the guide says mk3 better so mk3 better

[midnight totem]

Thats the mk3

[snow cypress]

yeah

[midnight totem]

Go to sleep cat

[bright cliff]

10 mins let me get home

[somber axle]

I used to prefer Mk III but after practicing more I enjoy the Mk VI way more. Both are good though and either one can delete Crushers

[snow cypress]

WTFFFFFF

[somber axle]

Yes I sleep bye

[snow cypress]

so much damage

[hidden torrent]

Bye love you

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/digital-circus-pomni-sleep-gif-12437249826365906750

[somber axle]

Also that's the Mk VI

You can tell by the first heavy swing coming in horizontal

Mk III starts a heavy attack chain with a downward strike

Heavy, Push Attack, Push Attack

Target dead in 1 second

[snow cypress]

Is that because of a talent?

or the puch is just the special ability?

[somber axle]

Uncanny, Serrated Blade, Mercy Killer, Focus Target are what I can tell from the clip but you would need to consult numbers cat for the finer details because he was the one who posted it originally I just reshare it for memes

[snow cypress]

ohhh

[somber axle]

My guess is his build used Superiority Complex, Bring It Down, Desperado and he had +Carapace as a perk on his knife

Makes knife a very good Crusher deleting weapon

And now I sleep good luck

[somber axle]

The push is just your normal shove

[snow cypress]

isn't it the punch?

[somber axle]

If you hold down attack during the shove it immediately triggers a special push attack

It isn't the special action punch

[snow cypress]

ohh

I have many things to learn

But knife and stealth gameplays are really funny

[somber axle]

Just wait until you begin learning how to clown breakdance menacingly at your enemies! (Dodge sliding)

[snow cypress]

[somber axle]

If you dodge and hit crouch you enter a slide to extend dodge duration and give increased immunity to ranged attacks

You can dodge slide toward gunners, snipers, reapers, shotgunners and non-elite shooters with the right timing

I've even done clown breakdancing at flamers

[snow cypress]

oh fuck

I need that

[somber axle]

It takes practice but you too can be a breakdancing clown tumbling across the ground into enemy lines

As an example if you dodge left or right and hit crouch you can break free of the brief slow that happens when a bomber's grenade explodes on you and get out of the fire faster

Slide free

Can also dodge slide through Burgle slime trails but it's honestly still better to just jump over them or avoid them entirely

[snow cypress]

damm

I need a master to play vet

lol

[somber axle]

I cannot be a mentor, I am no master. I am only a clown

But I share what I've learned happily

[snow cypress]

I meant I needed a career to play it

so much stuff

[somber axle]

OH

LOL nah just shoot and have fun

The rest comes with time and practice

[snow cypress]

I guess

I have only been playing vet for 3 days lmao

[tame lodge]

Point and shoot, militarum style

[hoary horizon]

You learn on field boss

[snow cypress]

my aim sucks

[hoary horizon]

Is how Ulgo learned to ogryn

[snow cypress]

shooting is not my strength

[hoary horizon]

Shotgun

[snow cypress]

fair

[hoary horizon]

Weapon specialist

[tame lodge]

Aye, gotta practice, you'll eventually get better

[hoary horizon]

You run in with melee. Pull shootgun out blast an switch

Me favorite combo

[dreamy vortex]

Dodge sliding feels like heroin

Love doing that shit

[somber axle]

Or go Columnus Infantry Autogun. It is considered THE best gun in the game right now as an automatic weapon with high damage and even if you're not clicking heads it will still shred til they're dead

[dreamy vortex]

Love that thing

[midnight totem]

I play melee vet with power sword, chainsword and knife

[somber axle]

You can kinda run like any talent build you want and the CIAG will demolish anything you point it at

[dreamy vortex]

I use it as my main gun for my support vet and on my stealth zealot

[midnight totem]

Weaving towards groups of shooters is the best feeling

[dreamy vortex]

Been doing that with my charge heavy sword build as zealot

I cleave everything

They never stand a chance

[midnight totem]

You can see the panic in their eyes

[dreamy vortex]

Killed 3 dreg gunners in one swing the other day

Felt amazing

Heavy sword turns anything that isn't armored into mince meat

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo CLEAVED in two large part of horde! Was bestest feeling

[dreamy vortex]

The only enemies it's not super great against are monstrosities, maulers, and crushers

I need to finish levelling my Ogryn

I'm just a zealotchad through and through

[hoary horizon]

There is reason this not saying.

[midnight totem]

A full squad of shooters. Maybe a shotgunner or two, and gunners for heavy support. They see the reject coming, and they know what it means. But it doesn't matter what cosmic dementia has corrupted their minds and souls. It doesn't matter what eternal promises Nurgle has whispered or strengthened them with. A reject is dodgesliding towards them. To kill them. To kill them all. Even though they could kill him, they are missing every shot, they waste it. They baulk.

For a second, their twisted hearts know dear. Real fear.

Then the reject is among them.

[hoary horizon]

Or Ulgo not feal pain because got 60% damage resistance for gunners an a charge them.

[dreamy vortex]

Ogryn is great to play cause I feel like a brick shithouse

Just totally fucking indestructible

I've just never liked tanks in games much

[bright cliff]

@snow cypress

[dreamy vortex]

What do you need to do to accomplish this?

[bright cliff]

start with special into l1, then some combination of sp-L1/H1/PA

[midnight totem]

I should put more gunner resist on my ogryn. If I ever die with him, it's because of stupid shit

[bright cliff]

all seems to be about the same speed. you're starting with the special attack to get bleed proc

[midnight totem]

Like 6 gunners shooting me at once from every direction

[dreamy vortex]

What blessings?

[bright cliff]

knife looks like this. obviously improved by taking blessings to 3 and carapace to +25

first target roll could be a little higher too imo

[dreamy vortex]

Realistically I should probably use that knife

But when I play knife zealot I run the meme build

[midnight totem]

Slow motion, a wounded mammoth being brought down

[bright cliff]

knife zealot is alr but it's reliant on crits

veteran gets enough hs dmg and rending that they can murder w/o crits

[midnight totem]

And murder even faster with crits

[austere pine]

which blessing do i change to deathspitter 4?

[bright cliff]

btw the important talents for knife vet

[austere pine]

cuz hit and run doesn't sound bad because of the way i use this, which is to mow down hordes

[austere pine]

knife zealot

shows vet

[midnight totem]

None

[bright cliff]

am sleepy

[austere pine]

deathspitter does power, not just close dmg

meaning it pierces better

[bright cliff]

augment with Bring it Down! as necessary

[austere pine]

less %, sure, but the cleave is also nice to have

[midnight totem]

Sure, but I more suggest you try it out first

[bright cliff]

imo fire frenzy really only works as an augment to deathspitter

if you're really in love with hit and run you should keep it

[austere pine]

i only just got hit and run so not sure how good it is

[bright cliff]

but I still think stripped down is overall better on braced autoguns for veteran

[austere pine]

this is for zealot

[bright cliff]

oh then yeah you're fine

[midnight totem]

Hit and run

You can advance through a mixed horde of gunners and shotgunners

[dreamy vortex]

I'll keep this in mind when I'm building my next vet

[midnight totem]

And remain immune from any ranged damage

[austere pine]

"advance" as if i was playing the board game

[dreamy vortex]

Would the synergy be good with the stealth ability?

[austere pine]

oh but this gun has some dakka

[dreamy vortex]

Ditch hit and run

It's honestly pretty worthless in most scenarios

Usually if I die to gunners it's because there's no other enemies around and they're spread out

[bright cliff]

yes for veteran stealth because bonus dmg is a flat 5sec buff

[dreamy vortex]

Better off just dodging

[austere pine]

good wisdom

[bright cliff]

no for zealot stealth because SP initiator will eat the crit and do no dmg

[dreamy vortex]

If you're running the charge or stealth on zealot it's even more obsolete

[bright cliff]

obviously zealot can still run mercy killer/uncanny as they have that one bleed talent early in their tree but the stacking hs dmg that vet gets makes this build better there imo

[dreamy vortex]

With the charge you can just run at them and you get damage reduction during the charge

[austere pine]

cool

[dreamy vortex]

And with stealth it's just stealth

[austere pine]

switching hnr to deathspitter then

sounded cool but wanted to check

[dreamy vortex]

They can't see you and when they can you're too fast to get hit if you're running the knife

[bright cliff]

honestly I might just run it with the pulse on zealot tbh

[austere pine]

cuz getting to just mow down a horde while being immune sounded cool

[bright cliff]

zealot doesnt get hit anyway because they have that talent that makes them always count as dodging while running

[dreamy vortex]

Yeah unless the gunners are above or below you most of their shots are just gonna turn their allies into swiss cheese and not even hit you

[dreamy vortex]

That too

Knife just makes it easier to not get hit ever

I seriously will play knife zealot and never dip below half health the entire mission

It's great

[bright cliff]

veteran can accomplish the same thing with this blessing/talent combo

[dreamy vortex]

Damn you're like a vet guru

[bright cliff]

no

[dreamy vortex]

I'm gonna meh with vet

And idk shit about how to build them

I just picked what'd support my team the most and have been running that since

[bright cliff]

but I used to sleep on this talent combo until I actually tried it so I recommend using this if you try knife vet

[snow cypress]

thanks 😄

[bright cliff]

weapon I use with knife vet

[dreamy vortex]

I'm sure I could've figured out the synergy of those 2 on my own if I actually played veteran more but I never do so it helps

[bright cliff]

agrapinaa has 2.1 hitmass meaning it turns hordes into mincemeat

[dreamy vortex]

When I get home today I'm gonna get to work on starting a new build with them

[rigid hearth]

hello all, is there any good recommendation for Headhunter autogun?

[dreamy vortex]

Yeah I love that thing

I run that or CIAG usually

[bright cliff]

ciagv mentioned

I try to change it up every now and then so I'm not using that on every class

[tame lodge]

You count as dodging even with 0 stamina, you still need to run at a certain angle though

[dreamy vortex]

I use it on my stealth zealot

That or the revolver

My one shot hammer build uses the mk8 braced autogun

[bright cliff]

true, which makes the stripped down combo better(?) because you can run directly at the enemy and not get hit

[tame lodge]

Yup

Run straight at it as long as you have stamina

[bright cliff]

somebody answer this guys question I don't use hhag

[dreamy vortex]

The Vraks one ain't bad

Generally I don't use headhunter autoguns tho

[dreamy vortex]

Everything else kinda seems to be a better option in most scenarios

[bright cliff]

that's right I'm bringing out the spreadsheet

[dreamy vortex]

I was talking about the mkVII btw

[rigid hearth]

WOA!!?? how did you find the spread sheet!!??

[dreamy vortex]

I just have shit aim

[bright cliff]

it's in the PINS

[tame lodge]

But since you can run at a certain angle and don't get shot, you don't really need stripped down

[dreamy vortex]

If I want something far away dead with accuracy I use the Mk2a revolver

[rigid hearth]

Thank you all!!

[bright cliff]

the ogryns have a good spreadsheet too

everyone else just has a steam guide that's kinda mid

that's why vet/ogryn players are best and everyone else is a stinky poo

[dreamy vortex]

I will beat the God Emperor's will into you with holy fervor if I hear some shit like that again

[bright cliff]

cry more priest

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo krump you if mean to sparkheads again

[dreamy vortex]

I WILL!

[hoary horizon]

They put shield to protect Ulgo!

[dreamy vortex]

I will cry that you can't see the light of following the God Emperor as I do

[midnight totem]

Zealots would be angry at this. If they could read

[tame lodge]

Nah

[dreamy vortex]

I think zealots would be the most likely to be literate of the rejects tbh

[bright cliff]

can't see my posts unless I coat them in incense and purity seals

[hoary horizon]

Ye

[tame lodge]

They would be angry because the tooltip is wrong lmao

[dreamy vortex]

Priests have historically been very literate even when most people in a population aren't

[bright cliff]

ZEALOTS ARE CRINGE CRY MORE PRIEST

[midnight totem]

Didn't Melk correct you on your diction the other day?

[dreamy vortex]

Damn

I got censored

Melk can slobber on my shit

[bright cliff]

I'm sorry, who's melk? I only know Sire Darius Melk XIV, Lord of the Quartervest, Holder of the Endless March, Warden of the Crux Mortem, Thrice Decorated for Bravery by Lord Dolmar Martialis

[dreamy vortex]

Hey that wasn't censored

Yippee

[dreamy vortex]

I would like to see that old mf do what I do on a daily basis

[bright cliff]

I'm sure he did in his prime

it takes a lot to grow old in the guard. you're either a coward or a legend

and seeing how cowards get summarily executed...

[dreamy vortex]

Melk still shitting on me after I killed 4 plague ogryns in the span of his lunch break

[hoary horizon]

Dont think he wuz guard

If was then he wuz officer.

[bright cliff]

oh wait

melk's all aristocrat aint he

[hoary horizon]

Yes

[bright cliff]

yeah nvm fuck that guy

[hoary horizon]

Oh

Noble

Not like them

[midnight totem]

Nah, not a real noble I don't think

[hoary horizon]

Even worse

[bright cliff]

nah he's apparently house straxamus?

[midnight totem]

Is he?

[bright cliff]

not sure what hive world that is but he's definitely a noble

not a rogue trader anyway

hallowette on the other hand

[dreamy vortex]

Melk and hadron can both blow me

[bright cliff]

besides they're both so greedy they may as well be bedmates

[dreamy vortex]

Hallowette is goated

Hestia isn't that rude compared to hadron and melk

[bright cliff]

frankly I wish the inquisition ran a tighter ship

[midnight totem]

Now that I think on it. Melk is looking for something on Atoma

Perhaps his own family records and status?

[bright cliff]

surely grendyl in his infinite wisdom can find better help than have half his staff motivated only by greed

needs more guardsmen tbh

[midnight totem]

We do know he has his own auric-class operatives

[hoary horizon]

Nah need more ogryn

[dreamy vortex]

Peddler 138/143 my beloved

[bright cliff]

Peddler 138/143 my beloved

[bright cliff]

could always use more ogryn big man

[hoary horizon]

[midnight totem]

Let's make ulgo the new quartermaster

You'll give us 380 weapons right?

[tame lodge]

💀

[midnight totem]

I'll give you more dockets so you can get more rations, if you guarantee me 380 weapons

[tame lodge]

This is what Grendyl chose, so we gotta trust it

[hoary horizon]

If you is good teammate yes

No dockets. Ulgo pay for it. If you team player Ulgo reward you

[midnight totem]

That's kind of you big man. I'll get some more rations for you instead. And petition for a heavy bolter for you to carry. Bigger booms

[hoary horizon]

Melk got lotsa 380 back here... me finks it for his operative

[dreamy vortex]

I have 250+ hours in this game and I've only gotten a singular 380

[hoary horizon]

What difficulty?

[dreamy vortex]

Damnation auric always

[hoary horizon]

Hmm... dunno bout this un then... bad luck

[arctic rampart]

@dreamy vortex https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/100 are you spending all your dockets on weapons, you can buy until 379/380.

[dreamy vortex]

I'm an Xbox player so I don't get that luxury

[snow cypress]

Opinions?

It has such a low movility stat

Is a knife

Other knife

Which one should I use?

[trim hemlock]

definitely buy the top one

[hollow ibex]

prob going to lose a dodge or two

but yeah it's def the better option still

[snow cypress]

It was a mission award 💀

[trim hemlock]

Oh, fair enough

[snow cypress]

yeah lol

Maybe it has not the best bleessing

I guess I'll change it

And the perk sucks too ;_;

LMAOOO

uncanny lvl 4

But my perks suck

[chrome steppe]

Can you trigger both of those at the same time?

[snow cypress]

I have 0/2 modifications

[hollow ibex]

not a total loss, you can take uncanny 4 off and use it on a betterk nife

[snow cypress]

but every stat is almost 80%

[hollow ibex]

yeah, but the knife is bricked

ruthless backstab is mostly for the memes rather than an actually good blessing

and then the perks are bad too

i mean if you just need a stopgap, this is perfectly fine if you just replace the perks

[snow cypress]

What a mess

[hollow ibex]

least bullshit DT crafting moment

[snow cypress]

At least I've a good blessing

[hollow ibex]

yeah uncanny strike iv is still a very good result

[snow cypress]

I was hipped because of the stats

And I get shitty perks

[hollow ibex]

it do be like that =/

i'm waiting for the crafting rework

[snow cypress]

I think I'll be sing it until I get a good weapon

Again

*using

[gilded wraith]

Recommendations?

[pseudo fiber]

block efficiency to flak?
all or nothing to uncanny strike

[rocky jacinth]

don't be too disappointed, mobility is still really good on knife

[agile forge]

Brick

[hollow warren]

mates I'm in a bit of pickle. Got a semi-decent plasma gun, had to change one blessing, but both perks are meh so need to figure out which to keep to make the gun at least usable.
one is +8.5% Reload Speed, the other is +10% Ranged Critical Hit Damage
Should I ditch the reload speed for +25% Unyielding?

[sinful swallow]

Are you running Deadshot

If not drop the crit

You won't reload much but it'll still do something sometime if you're not doing crits

[burnt onyx]

did they change Deadshot so it works on plasma gun?

[stable socket]

i think deadshot only works on charged shots? cuz you need secondary to be active

but on plasma you pretty much only want to hipfire it

[burnt onyx]

last I knew it didn't work on them, since you don't actually aim down the sights

[tall torrent]

Both are bad
Elite is the best perk for plasma

[wraith locust]

Whats the best second perk?

[last parcel]

tier 1 groaner damage

[tame lodge]

We turning plasma into a horde clearer with this one

[hidden torrent]

I like to take elite and maniac on plasma

[arctic rampart]

• Useful Perks: Flak, Maniac, Unyielding, Carapace
• Useful Blessings: Gets Hot, Blaze Away
  This is from the guide. I'd say run the perks you want, depends on what you're melee and what your wanting plasma to take care of. Personally I've been testing maniac vs elites and basically haven't found a negative difference on maniacs, though most mutants I use melee on. I'm currently running I think unyielding and elites?

[stable socket]

maniac is good for bodyshotting both flamers because it can get you to the oneshot breakpoint

i'm honestly considering maniac + unarmored just so i can one shot bodyshot tox bombers lol

[arctic rampart]

the breakpoints are too dynamic anyway with gets hot, blaze away, other damage buffs like longshot. but who aims for the body 😄

@hollow warren if you use plasma right -- never use charge, just shoot it until 100% then reduce heat with one tick, then shoot twice, repeat. you got basically 2 dump stats. so its pretty easy to get a good one

[burnt onyx]

when you're aiming through them to hit something behind them =)

[arctic rampart]

true dat. I'm constantly aiming through ogryns

[stable socket]

in my experience the more reliably you oneshot flamers the better, cuz being able to tag a flamer through the particle effects and shoot anywhere within the outline to get a kill before they create the flaming ground saves a lot of pain. the important part of the breakpoint is the worst-case scenario (no crit, blaze away isn't stacked, flamer is close) but even then maniac is enough to guarantee you kill the flamer as long as you graze it

i think flak + elites would make the mauler 1 headshot 1 bodyshot kill quite a lot more reliable though

[burnt onyx]

i fell in love with Man-Stopper throwing knives on zealot...it feels like a plasma gun when u 1-shot 5+ dreg ragers with one throw =)

not as effective as plasma vs crushers/bulwarks =(

but as a zealot u just gotta stabby stab 'em, right?

dance with the crusher while the plasma vet takes care of it

[tall torrent]

Flak

[tall torrent]

Needs agile engagement up for that

It’s not the most reliable thing

Flak hits more breakpoints in general

Also from a utility standpoint it’s better to get more consistent 1 taps at long range compared to enemies that front rush u for easier headshots

[stable socket]

i don't run agile engagement but with redirect fire it's enough

[tall torrent]

Only redirect is not enough

It’s a few Dmg points off

Maybe 8 stacks redirect hits it

[stable socket]

that might be it, i'm running 8 stacks

[hollow warren]

How exactly does No Respite work on a Helbore?

up to +20% damage depending on "how staggered" the enemy is?

I don't get it

[radiant chasm]

up to 140%

each stagger state is 20%

and there is 7(?)

or that's what I read today

[sinful swallow]

It's if you shoot at staggered enemies

The shot that staggers doesn't get the bonus damage

[midnight totem]

Yell at them then shoot them

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/monday-happy-yes-gif-12249821

[magic trout]

which perks i need for curios running a build with deadshot?

[hollow ibex]

for the curios themselves, best to have at least +3 stam curio and stam regen speed

you can try memeing with 3 +3 stam curios too

[oblique totem]

Average VoC Vet.

[burnt onyx]

don't forget about it being 76 rating...75 only gives +2 stam in game even though it says +3

3x 75 rating +3 stam curios would be sad...

[ivory sparrow]

what do people like for adept assassin?
I was going to try messing with plasma and powersword

currently messing with shotgun and chain or powersword

[elder fiber]

I did caxe + plasma and og shovel + plasma

[ivory sparrow]

axe cuz speed?

[languid dune]

Following the Vet weapon guide, which would be better on the Columnus, Elites or Maniac?

Or not better but rather more consistent

[elder fiber]

Both melee have p good ttk on trash enemies so it feels smoother to lop off a head, quickswap for 1taps the swap back without psword activation in between

(Also I just like og shovel lol)

[bitter turtle]

honestly

it doesnt really matter

it already has amazing modifiers against maniac

but it doesnt hurt to kill ragers and mutants even faster

elite is good too

because why not

[junior needle]

Best would be flak/maniac assuming you want to play stg

[burnt onyx]

all depends on what you want it to be better at

I like crit chance on the inf autogun for more crit strings...2nd one depends on blessings

unyielding if you want more boss/reaper/bulwark dps

beast of nurgle hates it

[junior needle]

Crit chance is fine due to the insane finesse values and long crit strings of the ciag

[bitter turtle]

a lot of things are fine

[junior needle]

Some are better than others though, efficiency does matter a lot more after the survivalist nerf

[bitter turtle]

since it doesnt really need naything except dumdum

[junior needle]

That too

It's just a very strongly tuned weapon

You could take a gray and it'll feel better than other weapons fully built

[frail citrus]

can some of you guys share your infiltrate builds and playstyles, trying to get the penance for the infiltrator armor and im having trouble figuring out how to use it

[hollow ibex]

stealth for objectives, when things get bad, and to take out backline enemies

unstealth as close as possible to the heretics you're preparing to shank

try to keep one charge in reserve when possible

[somber axle]

Is it the suppression stealth penance

You can use that on hordes too

Just hit stealth then walk up to the Horde and melee something to get the AoE suppress on stealth break

Be as close to the center of melee and ranged trash as possible

Also grab Overwatch talent node for +1 charge to Infiltrate

If you stealth into trouble you can stealth back out of it fast

I'll share a talent set up though one sec

[midnight totem]

I don't think it suppresses hordes

only shooters

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/1cbaa03b0d26037079551476957cce03.png

laspistol+knife

be aggressive with stealth since you always have an extra charge to fall back if you feel like you're in danger

you can also simplify a lot of events for your team by doing objectives while stealthed

so they can hold in a more defensible location

[midnight totem]

what do you guys use to have the full skill tree displayed like that?

anyway, this is my general purpose melee infil vet build

[bitter turtle]

gameslantern build editor

[midnight totem]

gotcha

[somber axle]

I think it can suppress groaners but not poxwalkers

You can suppress hordes for sure though

I got the Ogryn coward culling kill enemies suppressed penance completed firing into hordes of poxwalkers and groaners

[midnight totem]

well, you stealth up to enough groups of gunners and shooters and break stealth by meleeing them and you'll get the penance easily

[somber axle]

yeah that's true too

[midnight totem]

all of these builds without grenade regen make me cry

[bitter turtle]

you dont really need nade regen for smoke grenades

its not like you spam them

can drop invig or deadshot for demo team if you really needed it

[somber axle]

this is a build I use

you can grab move speed aura instead if you want but I chose fire team because I wanted grenade tinkerer

this is the build I use with my Chainsword for mulching hordes at hyperspeed and firing with a laspistol

krak grenades for deleting bulwarks and crushers

I also swap talents around like this though:

[wild vortex]

Fellas, I'm still levelling my Vet. Do I HAVE to learn to use the PG or I can get by with like a Laspistol or a Kantrael Ia or stuff?

[somber axle]

This is for Chainaxe XII

[bitter turtle]

you can use

anything

just play whatever you want

[wild vortex]

That's what I like to hear

[bitter turtle]

i almost never play pg/revo and I pretty much only play auric mael

you dont need to play anything you dont like

[wild vortex]

I was using Kantrael a while, but I just unlocked the Laspistol and loved it

[bitter turtle]

try to get ghost on your laspistol

[wild vortex]

Fast reload, good shooting, easy to aim, fairly stable, decent damage

[bitter turtle]

makes you invulnerable to ranged fire

[wild vortex]

Will do that

Levelling Vet after Ogryn is like re-learning the game

[mental cloud]

I like the mk 4 lasgun, and columnus autogun

Personally

[wild vortex]

I need to install a mod that gives proper sights to autoguns

I suck at using iron sights

[wraith locust]

weaapon customization does that

[mental cloud]

It’s a learning curve, I’m on console, emperor forgive me.

[wild vortex]

I use controller on PC

Idk it just feels better

[tame lodge]

Apparently there's some sort of MnK vs Controller going around

Waste of time btw

Just go play the game

[last parcel]

why play the game when i can argue with strangers on discord

[idle swallow]

After getting used to M&K I can't go back to gamepad for shooters (except halo that gets a nostalgia pass)

[snow cypress]

IS this talent worth it?

I've been using it but Idk if is doing something

nvm it helps

Why no one uses Surprise Attack?

[midnight totem]

its possibly one of the best talents you can get

Tactical Awareness, that is

[snow cypress]

yeah

[midnight totem]

I've used Surprise attack. Its just... not worth the point cost

[snow cypress]

really?

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I mean it's ok

But you already have to sink so many damn points into infiltrate already

[midnight totem]

lemme put it this way

30 percent damage is a lot, yes

but its only for 5 seconds, and infiltrate is a pretty long cd ability

[idle swallow]

I think the people recommend the least is the DMG bonus cuz the time is too short for the amount

[snow cypress]

oh

[midnight totem]

now, I take agile engagement

it gives me 25 percent damage to my other weapon when making a kill

[snow cypress]

And what do you think about this one?

[midnight totem]

for 5 seconds

[snow cypress]

that may be good

[midnight totem]

some people like it, but I have other point obligations

[tall torrent]

Because it’s only 5s

[snow cypress]

This seems to be a Tactical surprise wannabe

[tall torrent]

Horrible

[snow cypress]

oh damm it

[midnight totem]

it might be better if it was earlier up in the tree

but its not

[tall torrent]

Skirmisher’s uptime is horrible

[bitter turtle]

its 5 fucking seconds

[tall torrent]

It’s a zealot momentum wannabe but doesn’t get anywhere near the same use

[bitter turtle]

its not worth it really

[midnight totem]

and its conflicting with trench fighter drill

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate has so many point taxes already

[tall torrent]

Wanna play

[midnight totem]

which is one of the best skills

[bitter turtle]

i was about to stop but lets do one game

might as well level my oger more

or

ill play psyker actually

[tall torrent]

I can play whatever

[bitter turtle]

actually

question

er

[midnight totem]

also, just finished all maps on auric yay

[bitter turtle]

nevermind

[tall torrent]

My penances are done so I just farm plasteel now

[bitter turtle]

i realized how to finish it

[midnight totem]

died on my last run though

[tall torrent]

Wot u wanna do

[midnight totem]

three snipers, dodged two, got hit by the third

[bitter turtle]

nah i was wondering about be your best

the penance

to hit the shitty grenade box 4 times

i realized i have to do it 5 times

so 20 hits

4 in a row each time

[tall torrent]

4 consecutive hits, 5 times

Yea

[bitter turtle]

ya

[midnight totem]

excellent

time to steal all your grenade boxes

[tall torrent]

Has the ogryn effect set in for u yet

[bitter turtle]

if the ogryn effect is me being bored as fuck holding heavy attack for 30 minutes straight each game

yeah

[snow cypress]

Which keystone would be good with infiltrate?

[tall torrent]

Middle/right

[snow cypress]

I have it like this

I think middle one is too far

[tall torrent]

Why do u need exploit weakness

[snow cypress]

huh right

I still need two more

for the middle one

Which perks are good for knifes?

maybe +10% to weak spots?

Or +10% damage to elites?

[midnight totem]

theres no 10 to elites?

you mean the 15 to elites?

[snow cypress]

I can only add one perk

So I have to choose wisely

[midnight totem]

oh, a perk

never do weakspots on a weapon

if you can help it

take the elites

[tame lodge]

Would the GG special count for the penance, considering that it explodes it should speed things up, no?

Actually I'll try that myself

[snow cypress]

elites,maniacs or specialists?

I have these options

[midnight totem]

whats your second perk

[snow cypress]

+20% damage to infested

a shit

and I used Omnissiah to put Mercy killer

[snow cypress]

The other perk is +8% damage to poxwalkers and groaners :/

Is it better a perk against an specific amour?

I'm between flack armour,elites and maniacs

[snow cypress]

It's for a knife btw

I have a problem with maniacs and flack armour

[hollow ibex]

maniac does nothing for the breakpoints iirc

[snow cypress]

Caparace armour is not important as I have krak

[snow cypress]

oh

Then?

[hollow ibex]

what blessings / perks

does it currently have

[snow cypress]

Mercy killer/Uncanny

+20% to infested

+8% to poxwalkers and groaners

shitty perks

[hollow ibex]

prob want cara, elite or unyielding

assuming the base stats aren't shit, you should two shot stuff like scab gunners

[hollow ibex]

oh that one yah

how many dodges do you have lol

4?

[snow cypress]

I haven't counted it yet

I need to dodge more often

I barely dodge

I think I'll go elites so i can kill ragers better

And shotgunners

[tall torrent]

Carapace/flak/elite

[tall torrent]

Show the entire weapon pls

[snow cypress]

ofc

[tall torrent]

Swap groaners to elite

[snow cypress]

yeah

Elites will help me more

However the damage increasement is lower

Thanks you all for helping me :]

[pseudo fiber]

so how exactly do the join in progress thing for auric storm survivor work?

[midnight totem]

did you join near the beginning of the game?

[pseudo fiber]

ehhh

pre mid way event

silo cluster so pre elevator

[midnight totem]

you might get it

probably not though

[pseudo fiber]

but if I die does it go down?

[midnight totem]

auric storm survivor or exemplar?

exemplar, if you die, you'll lose it

[shadow dagger]

what do i replace the dead perk with

and is this thing still usable

i remember it was borderline unusable a while ago when crit strings didnt proc stormtrooper

[pseudo fiber]

nevermind lmfao 7000 dogs + tox bombers + mutants + rage quiters = dead streak

[whole blade]

I feel like Veteran is the one class that shows you how bad people are at team work

the amount of people asking you to shoot thinga as they leave you unprotected

I want to play veteran but can't find good team players

[pseudo fiber]

It's fine

[whole blade]

I kind o prefer the original skill tres becaue atlast then people understand team roles

people just dont give a shit

and whenever you ask to coordinate builds

everyone says " nah you dont need it" and just run off an do thir own thinggg

[pseudo fiber]

Build coordination? I guess you don't this is a generalist game reallt

[whole blade]

It encourages people to run off and not be team playhers though

this game has honestly some o the worst team work i have seen in a co op game

[ember folio]

vraks 7 best blessings and stuffs?

[last parcel]

Maniac to make up for its shitty Maniac damage.
Unyielding if you want to go full force boss burner meme.
Flak is good all around.

It's usable. It'll just be an infantry autogun with less dps and require more ammo in most cases (for sane people)

[ember folio]

deadly and headhunter?

[last parcel]

Deadly and Surgical

[ember folio]

ah

and as for perks..?

[last parcel]

flak and elite/maniac. i can't remember and cba to check the guide in pins

[ember folio]

oh my god i was trying to find it on the guide, only actually saw it after you told me

eugh

thank

[oblique totem]

Dakka

[hidden torrent]

NEW GOD ROLL

[pseudo fiber]

LETS SEE THAT BAD BOY LEVELED

We're getting haymaker 1 boys

[midnight totem]

The catachan mark 6 combat tickler

[upper lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/god-beautiful-gif-22258705

[shadow dagger]

and trade weapon sway for muzzle flash

😟

i legitimately cant see what im shooting with this thing if its past probably 15m away

[pseudo fiber]

I hope you didn't go into that thinking the recon lasgun was good

[shadow dagger]

cmon man

i got this thing an hour ago

its still in the honeymoon phase

and it still sucks

novelty hasnt even worn off yet

[upper lichen]

if u like lazers helbore the way to go

[last parcel]

if you're fine with abandoning your sanity, you can ask @somber axle for their manifesto with The Gif

[somber axle]

DID SOMEONE SAY RECON

ok so it's time again let's go

I'm in V Rising with friends so we're speedrunning this Recon clown talk this time

[hidden torrent]

how was darktide today

[somber axle]

BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE RECON

This is a Recon Mk VId using this talent build

this is the recon I originally used to make that gif

you can see it is not optimal because of the ranged critical hit damage and the 68% damage stat

and it could still delete a Crusher

take particular note of how little ammo I actually used to kill that Crusher

105 ammo down to 92

literally just 13 ammo

depending on crit variance you can use as little as 10 ammo on a Recon Mk VId to kill a CRUSHER

Between Rending Strikes, Onslaught, Deadshot, Infernus IV, Headhunter, Exe Stance, Focus Target and the +Carapace damage perk it gets enough damage to burn Crushers to dust

and is incredibly ammo efficient in doing so

[elfin violet]

sup vets
any tips on how to do the On Overwatch penance?

[somber axle]

it is effective at killing all specials and elites with exception to Muties

those take a bit of time to kill if you're missing the +Maniac perk

it also has pitiful boss damage so bring a good boss damage melee weapon

[pseudo fiber]

shout or stealth. Take it slow. You can take toughness damage. You got this gamer

low intensity missions too

[somber axle]

LAST THING

DISCLAIMER TIME

if you want to do Recon Mk VId in Damnation or Auric you will have to learn how to clown dance

[elfin violet]

I've had a few good runs, but a hound or a mutant will just suplex me out of nowhere and there goes 20 minutes of my time

[somber axle]

Without Voice of Command or Infiltrate you must be very aware of positioning, awareness of disablers, target priority on specials/elites, know how to dodge, and be very keen on melee fundamentals (blocking/shoving, etc.) to survive. You must play without abilities to fall back on to save yourself. If you get into a fight you need to be able to win it or die

I use three curios all with +3 stam for a total +9 stam from curios and the +1 stam talent node from the tree for a total +10 stam to maximize Deadshot effectiveness

this lets me hit max stack Infernus for ticking dot damage to increase DPS on bosses/beefier targets and save more ammo with Shock Trooper crits

[pseudo fiber]

You gotta learn to deal with those unfortuntately. Learning to push dogs and dodge muties is a huge boon playing the game though so there's upsides

[somber axle]

I use Duck and Dive to purposely push into the frontline of matches and bait out ranged shots to dodge and restore stamina for more Deadshot uptime

Even with all the stamina, all the stamina regen from Duck and Dive + Focus Target's Target Down node for extra stam regen on pinged target kill you will sometimes find the weapon will run through stamina FAST

you must know when and where to use your aim down sights for Deadshot crits and when to hip fire

you never want to be empty on stamina ever

this is a playstyle that is high risk and moderate reward

a Columnus Infantry Autogun user of similar skill will outDPS you but also

you can just be better than them skill wise

Vet on the far right was a Plasma Vet

Other Vet was a Columnus Infantry Autogun user

these were not bad players

this was a 29 minute long Standard Damnation match

check the ammo tins/packs I used and compare to how many the CIAG and Plasma Vets took

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-crazy-pepe-silvia-gif-27373442

[somber axle]

I was able to do more kills/damage while using less ammo with a Recon VId. The CIAG user was able to do slightly more ranged damage. Literally just 9k more damage. But I had more kills

the stats do not lie

A good Recon Mk VId user can outperform a CIAG user and Plasma user

but you have to be clown tier like me to make it work

if you don't want to do clown breakdancing look away

the circus music is not for your ears

[pseudo fiber]

You scare me.

[thorn dragon]

vid is a lot better than people give it credit for. its not out performing a plasma

[somber axle]

anyway that concludes my clown ranting

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[somber axle]

I outperformed the Plasma user

[pseudo fiber]

How good was the plasma user

[somber axle]

they had 9 more ranged elite kills but less in every other metric

[somber axle]

They were what I would say is an average Plasma user for Damnation quickplay

not bad

they knew how to play fine

they spam shots down range to take out threats

end up ammo thirsty

they didn't need to be carried

they were a good player, not a bad player

[thorn dragon]

given the same skilled player in the exact same mission with the exact same teammates that do the exact same actions, the plasma will outdo it

[pseudo fiber]

I could outperform a loner zealot player with a singlar 9mm bullet and a shard of glass I found on the floor it doesn't make the shard of glass better than all loner zealots