veteran-class

[terse idol]

I meeeann

[austere pine]

which

[wanton dawn]

Surv is a bad design

[terse idol]

Yah

We're in hell rn

[austere pine]

if we're removing surv, we're making guns an ult-lite

[snow cypress]

Ruthless Backstab

[terse idol]

But I hope they're gonna do another balance pass when they release the new weapons

[austere pine]

not saying that's a problem, saying that it would be like that

[terse idol]

Just increase ammo drops on maps

Or god forbid just add an ammo chest

For certain checkpoints

[austere pine]

this is a good idea

not the ammo drops

that's really bad. worse than pre-nerf surv

[terse idol]

You already play around the medicaid checkpoint so it might as well have ammo

[austere pine]

except now you don't need to yell at vets

because you don't get to yell

not to toot my own horn, but getting bullets back on kills of enemies who shoot you (shooters, stalkers, shotties, gunners and possibly even reapers) would be cool as hell

would actually feel like a scavenger vibe

scrounging the battlefield, looking for unspent casings or mags

[wanton dawn]

I like to get my plasma bullet out of the skull of my enemies or smth

[austere pine]

these are the teeny minutia

if this is a problem to you, you should never play knives on zealot

[wanton dawn]

I dont play zealot

[idle swallow]

I want to have to full animation red dead redemption 2 style search every body for ammo, time to become immersed

[austere pine]

you get a knife back on elite/special kill, regardless of what it is

so long as you're melee

another improvement

[crude fiber]

2 hour missions bby

[austere pine]

make my idea of surv work on melee only

[wanton dawn]

Zealot have faith. I have a blue handcannon

[slow spade]

Shocktrooper + las gun buffs again 😎

[crude fiber]

Was there a leak for new guns or something?

[slow spade]

I hope so

[sinful swallow]

they said back in jan new guns are planned

[wanton dawn]

We will see next week

[austere pine]

white pants or black pants here?

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[austere pine]

plasma pistols incoming

[sinful swallow]

bolt pistols

[iron marten]

What day do we usually get news for DT? Saturday?

[slow spade]

"Kantreal MK13, MG LLA, and Kantreal MK5 announced"

[sinful swallow]

HOPIUM

[austere pine]

vraks infantry autogun

vraks braced autogun

Ius boltpistol

or, better yet

Ius mk 5 shredder autopistol

just wait you

[iron marten]

Just give me a duelling sword equivalent for vet and I’ll be happy

[austere pine]

power sword 6 kekw

[iron marten]

Without the activation special ofc!!!!

[austere pine]

you can still stab

and with brutal momentum, you also get the crazy weak spot damage

[iron marten]

I’ve just been running around with a knife and helbore now. It’s close enough, lol

[slow spade]

Permanently active power sword DLC 20 USD 😎

[austere pine]

nah, special time limited pack

[wanton dawn]

Give back bm limbsplitter bayo

[austere pine]

that will never be re-realeased

[iron marten]

The good old days when power cycle gave you 7 energized swings

[austere pine]

and will be $50

[iron marten]

[tall torrent]

If they do cosmetic DLC I rly want new voice packs for classes

[iron marten]

That is never coming back

[austere pine]

i was thinking of what personalities they could add

[wanton dawn]

Copist

[austere pine]

i've only come up with a zealot one, avenger

[slow spade]

Servitor voice pack where its just beeps

[iron marten]

Need to find the video you posted again. The one where you 5 shot the Chaos Spawn with the bayo…

[slow spade]

I find it hilarious that a Gray on-release power sword is better than a fully min maxed power sword now lol

[iron marten]

True

Enemy health was lower in general back then

[austere pine]

negative power creep

[iron marten]

And it had two energized swings off the boot

[wanton dawn]

Crusher could be staggered

Mauler too

Insta thoughness loss on fire

[crude fiber]

We got the talent rework though which gives big boosts to certain damages

[iron marten]

Slaughterer pre nerf too was pretty insane

[wanton dawn]

No auric either

[austere pine]

people sucked back then though

[slow spade]

Nowhere near the power spike of even a remotely well-made psword back then

[austere pine]

guaranteed

so no auric was a good thing

[wanton dawn]

Twas a different game

[iron marten]

I don’t miss being stunned by the bomber’s nades if even you’re at the perimeter of the fire

[wanton dawn]

Bolter was top meta

[austere pine]

just imagine a current csgo pro against ones from cs 1.6 or early csgo

[iron marten]

Sustained Fire + Bolter

[wanton dawn]

75% thoughness dmr

[slow spade]

MK12 is somehow literally never being changed since release

[crude fiber]

Bolter pinning fire

[austere pine]

smae shit we have now essentially

[wanton dawn]

Cracked cs

Remember cracked cs ?

[austere pine]

1.6?

[slow spade]

I'm just happy toughness no longer bleeds through at 100%

[austere pine]

i always played source

[crude fiber]

Got indirectly worse through enemy buffs

[dreamy spade]

Still do now

[iron marten]

nosTEAM cs1.6

[slow spade]

God that made Vet feel bad

[austere pine]

YES FUCK YES

that's the shit

[wanton dawn]

I meant, prenerf chaos spawn

[slow spade]

I just find it funny it hasn't been changed at all

[iron marten]

1.6 is a very diff game anyway. The main meta of 1.6 is abusing the paper thin walls and wallbanging everyone

[dreamy spade]

Chaos spawn is still so much better than the other monstrosities

[wanton dawn]

Oh boys, i launched a counterstrike discussion without intending too

[iron marten]

lol

[slow spade]

Darktide and CS are the same anyways

Identical games

[austere pine]

^^^^plasma player

[dreamy spade]

Both shit games yeah

[iron marten]

Maybe Bolter will rise back to its glory days… rather than just being a fan service weapon…

[austere pine]

man csgo is such a horribly outdated game with good graphics

nobody ever talks about it because it's a "classic" but like

[gray finch]

damn

in hadron we trust

[austere pine]

redeemable

[gray finch]

lmao

[iron marten]

Holy shit

[dreamy spade]

Not bad

[austere pine]

redeemed

[dreamy spade]

Mk7 better tho

[gray finch]

big hadron save

[crude fiber]

Slap on deadly accurate and maniac and its a beast

[wanton dawn]

Well, go farm those 1m scoreboard with it

[crude fiber]

1m boss damage incoming

[iron marten]

I’ve never got 1m on the scoreboard…

Closest I got was 983k

[gray finch]

the worst its for psyker

[wanton dawn]

Easiest mod for 1m is no ammo

Or 45min vault spire

[iron marten]

I did hi5stg almost solo to get that damage lmao. No one joined till the end

[wanton dawn]

I got 1m with plasma, bayo, ciag, agri brauto and bolter me think

[iron marten]

I just did the helbore and psword combo

The infinite ammo helped

[wanton dawn]

Also did the 1m overkill dmg

[iron marten]

Wtf

[gray finch]

ye the psword doing all trhe overkill dmg

[wanton dawn]

Nah, twas bayo

[iron marten]

You still miss it aye

[wanton dawn]

Though my current melee buil could maybe reach 1m overkill on a 1m2 game

[gray finch]

i miss my man-stopper knife build

[wanton dawn]

I miss my bolter having ammo

[iron marten]

I miss sustained fire

[gray finch]

i miss veteran being good

[wanton dawn]

Tbf plasma is still too good

[gray finch]

plasma is just a different class by it self

[wanton dawn]

Fair

[slow spade]

Plasma needs a buff

Pls give assail tracking on the bolt

[gray finch]

its a being veteran (bad) or being plasmagun(good)

[austere pine]

cowards, the lot of you

never played power sword, crucian roulette always ready revolver in your lives

saying anything but plasma is bad

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, i dont play enough atm to have feeling on this

[wanton dawn]

Plasma is way, way better than other loadout. Effort/reward is definitely skewed for it

Especially for solo

[austere pine]

by saying that only plasma is good, one implies the rest is bad

which is highly untrue

[gray finch]

zealot with Eviscerator and throwing knifes is just the same think but better

[austere pine]

disagree

[gray finch]

shotgun with man-stopper on top

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192085077534969907/1237135597810745515/dsad.mp4?ex=663dd78f&is=663c860f&hm=ce3d44edd699cbc983649a6eb0539f0b26827f36189b6f986da42025dc7a6185&

[wanton dawn]

Also plasma is arguably the best gun on melee centric vet

[tall torrent]

Zealot can sorta just ignore maniac ttk on their guns since throwing knives are just better

[hidden torrent]

But I like fire tho

[gray finch]

i miss range veteran being vaible build

i mean i play lasgun on my vet as my main

[tall torrent]

It’s good
Throwing knives just answer more problems in my experience

[hidden torrent]

I agree and it makes me sad

[wanton dawn]

I tend to agree that ranged vet outside of plasma got it rough with surv nerf

Even ciag is struggling

On ammo

[gray finch]

ciag is better on psyker anyway

[tall torrent]

Make MG12 great again

[wanton dawn]

I did get my 1m dmg ciag after surv nerf

Granted i ate all the ammo

ALL OF IT

[tall torrent]

No joke tho pls buff MG12

[gray finch]

i get mad everytime i have to take ammo or take it by mistake

[tall torrent]

It needs like straight up 25~30% higher Dmg across the board

[iron marten]

I swear the mg12 hasn’t been touched since launch

[tall torrent]

Probably Helbore cleave too

[wanton dawn]

Buff autogun reserve plz

[tall torrent]

It was good
Then patch 13 changed breakpoints
Then it went from good to irrelevant

[gray finch]

mg12 will straggle by its low fire-rate

[iron marten]

ripperoni

[tall torrent]

The Dmg is just not good enough on it rn

It’s so sad

[iron marten]

This but with bolter pls

[gray finch]

aI just kill stuff in 1 shot already

[tall torrent]

Oh for sure boltgun needs buff

[tall torrent]

Make it take less talents to hit 1 tap breakpoints

[iron marten]

If plasma can eat good, why not bolter

[wanton dawn]

Buff bolter plz. You can nerf recon to compensate

[iron marten]

Bolter was my absolute favourite pre-patch 13

[gray finch]

buff devil claws for carap dmg

[junior needle]

It's not a fair trade, they were going to nerf recon anyway

[wanton dawn]

I wonder how they will manage to nerf recon next patch

[frank monolith]

can i see what your shotty looks like

[gray finch]

nerf infernus to 9 stacks and dum dum to 3%

[midnight totem]

Game dropped me an orange power sword with natural power cycler 4

[tall torrent]

Remove crit string

[wanton dawn]

Some good option right here

[iron marten]

God, I remember the reduced crit string when p14 came out

[tall torrent]

Please fatshark buff MG12 Dmg and cleave

[iron marten]

And it wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes

[wanton dawn]

I KNOW ! Theyll nerf shocktropper

[frank monolith]

thanks @gray finch

[iron marten]

I just want to use my gun more. Pls increase survivalist to 10% instead, ty

[wanton dawn]

Sorry, -10% instead

[gray finch]

30s cd

[iron marten]

This some monkey paw shit

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

What if we stole gunlugger ult and put it on vet ?

[hidden torrent]

What's the default crit chance? I always assumed it wasn't that high so unless you go full crit build it's not worth

[iron marten]

Now that’s a good idea

[wanton dawn]

With crit string the actual crit chance increases

[tall torrent]

5% veteran baseline + 2% recon baseline

[hidden torrent]

5% ouch

[tall torrent]

Or 3%, forgot

[gray finch]

give bonus +50 toughness on picking exe stance and give us some kind of getting orange tougness like the hp on vermintide

[hidden torrent]

So yeah it's essentially a poor decision to build alittle crit

[tall torrent]

No honestly just buff veteran base toughness from 100 to 150

Maybe TDR in exe stance as well

[gray finch]

the oob should give us this as a baseline so we wont die from random crusher

[tall torrent]

And pls just move the refresh node into ability baseline

Exe stance already pays point tax

Also pls rework Killzone and opening salvo

[gray finch]

like + 5 orange toughness of reciving overtoughness

[hidden torrent]

Please give Ogryn revolver

Ty

And cowboy hat

I'd pay 50 dollars for that tbh

[sinful swallow]

hellboy revolver for ogryn

[hidden torrent]

Have it act like a 5 shot, slug kickback

[midnight totem]

New ripper gun instead

6 round magazine

[hidden torrent]

I want a solid slug though, throwing rocks at snipers feels good imagine being able to throw it through 10 people and make loud noise

[wise fossil]

I guess assassination mission is the easiest to get Make Every Shot Count?

Just magdump into the shield

[frank monolith]

best way to get t2 perks is to relevel a zealot right? for fullhbore

[indigo lily]

Hello I'm beginner. You advice me to wait lvl 30 for spend my ressources/money ?

[junior needle]

Yes

[junior needle]

Yes to this that is

[junior needle]

You can also just do the boss mission

The twins one

[hidden torrent]

Roll a bad weapon, it'll help

[indigo lily]

If I understand when I'm lvl 30 I spend my money for buy my weapon and if I have a good base I upgrade right ?

[wise fossil]

Ehhhh anyone running the twins now is going to be super new

[bitter turtle]

yes

[bitter turtle]

yes, you don't get optimal stat gear until you hit level 30

[hidden torrent]

Do a private match

[bitter turtle]

feel free to buy things with dockets before that since they're not that valuable, you can experiment with different weapons

but dont waste your plasteel upgrading anything

[indigo lily]

Ok thanks

[hidden torrent]

Just be a Chad like me who has more plasteel than I can spend

Literally though, I'm kinda broke

[indigo lily]

This build is a good choice ? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bfea4b2-e03c-4c41-985c-5ec0131e42e1/plasma-gun-9?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[hidden torrent]

Plasma is always a good choice

[bitter turtle]

Most people run mk6 instead of mk3 psword

But yeah it's fine

[indigo lily]

My bad I misstake

[bitter turtle]

Don't think you need desperado for psword so you can just get grenade talents

[snow cypress]

Hi,is Ruthless Backstab a good bleasing for knifes?

[bitter turtle]

Kinda meme

[snow cypress]

oh

[indigo lily]

I remove the 3 points on the far right ?

[bitter turtle]

Ya

[grand perch]

reached lvl 1k, do i deinstall now?

[bitter turtle]

Personally I'd grab demo team and grenadier

So you have a ton of frag nades

[hidden torrent]

Deinstall is funny lmao

[bitter turtle]

Typical blessing combo is uncanny + something

[snow cypress]

i see...

[bitter turtle]

Riposte, mercy killer, precog, maybe flesh tearer on mk6

[tall torrent]

No

[indigo lily]

Can you sent me a good build for plasma gun + psword with target please ?

[snow cypress]

ohhh

[iron marten]

What does the square brackets around the attack pattern mean?

[bitter turtle]

Yours was fine I just moved the 3 pts to grenade talent#

Psword don't need the melee pts usually

Especially since you already running cara

[iron marten]

Agile Engagement is also a solid choice, mainly for plasma to use though

[snow cypress]

Ias there any way of killing greg gunner with one hit?Maybe the +10% damage to elites bonus?

I hate them

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[snow cypress]

I wish they burn in hell

[bitter turtle]

You should run elite dmg on plasma

[snow cypress]

And with knife?

[bitter turtle]

10 percent elite + 25 maniac I think

[snow cypress]

Is there any way?

[bitter turtle]

Oh

You mean knife

[hidden torrent]

Plasma is pretty good at anything you want it to do

But reload fast

[indigo lily]

Thanks, my attribut and curios is good ?

[bitter turtle]

Uh, not practically tbh

[snow cypress]

yeah

[hidden torrent]

Who cares about practically when you have a plasma gun

[bitter turtle]

Do maniac+ elite for the plasma

Everything else is fine

[snow cypress]

I use MK6 and only with the 3rd heavy attack i kil it but idk if with the simple heavy attack i could kil them

[bitter turtle]

Use push attack if you have the bp

Mk6 should be push attacking on single targets anyway

[hidden torrent]

I forget what I have on my plasma but I uh, don't use meta things so don't listen to me, I just use what makes me feel good

[snow cypress]

WTF IF I USE THE PUNCH I GET THE STAB?

That changes all

[bitter turtle]

Make sure you're not hitting it from behind

Knife gets backstab dmg bonus

So that might be why your bp is inconsistent

[snow cypress]

maybe

[bitter turtle]

And yes, punch leads into a pseudo heavy

It's better on mk3 tho

[snow cypress]

Idk which should I keep,MK3 or MK6

[bitter turtle]

I use the punch stab on mk3 a lot but not so much on 6

Imo

6 is just way better

You have horizontal heavy to make horde dmg okish

[snow cypress]

but MK3 heavy is always a backstap,no?

[bitter turtle]

No

You have to be behind to backstab

[snow cypress]

I thought so

OHHHHHHH

Quite shit lol

[bitter turtle]

Use push attack spam for single target

It's highest dps

Just takes some stamina

[snow cypress]

yeah

omg thank you so much

[tall torrent]

The attacks within the square brackets loop themselves from left to right

[iron marten]

Ahh, ty

[tall torrent]

And those combos are tested in terms of DPS

Highest DPS combo on knife is push atk spam

Mk6 can get to smth like 3.3k DPS on crusher

[iron marten]

Jesus

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is overall the better knife for veteran

Even though its atk pattern has a bit lower Dmg than mk3

[rocky jacinth]

I vastly prefer 3 myself, 6 feels wonky and 3 gets ez headshots

[gray finch]

3 shot crushers

[tall torrent]

Maybe on zealot & psyker mk3 hits some breakpoints that mk6 can’t hit but at least for veteran mk6 is just the clear winner

[wise fossil]

Smackdown best knife blessing on God

[rocky jacinth]

I just spam lights for hordes, it's a 1 shot on most enemy types with crits

and the rest is cleaned up by bleed

[frank monolith]

for mk 6 just spam push attack if you want to focus single target

[rocky jacinth]

Well that's the same as 3, but you get an overhead instead of the stab

[bitter turtle]

The stab is great though

Very precise

[frank monolith]

they both do the same dmg btrw

their push attack does the same dmg

[rocky jacinth]

I just think it's a bit too precise, spamming the hell out of the overhead is great when things turn into oatmeal

And I like having the stab chain on heavies for dodge dancing

[gilded wraith]

Stuck at work, is light attack spam on mk6 power sword predominantly horizontal?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[gilded wraith]

Thanks!

[frank monolith]

try the mk 6 for horde do heavy push attack repeat and against something armoured spam like 3 push attack and it should die if you haveu ncanny max stacked

[rocky jacinth]

I've already used it extensively, just don't like it

[frank monolith]

fair enough

[oblique totem]

What's the meta today?

[lilac eagle]

Probably hybrid build

[rocky jacinth]

shout and whatever does lots of damage

[lilac eagle]

Vet might not have the raw damage of Pysker or Zealot, or the tankiness of Ogyrns and Zealots, but they have cool voice lines

[tame lodge]

Run and gun Agripina revolver

[wraith locust]

Lowkey vet does more dmg and is more tankier than any other class lol

[lilac eagle]

I...

I disagree

[tall torrent]

Mk3 and mk6 push atk have the same Dmg but mk6 hits faster

[lilac eagle]

Solely on the fact I just played a level 4 maelstorm mission and ran my ass into every single horde/specialist group

[wraith locust]

Voc, plasma, psword, Rashad, revolver

[lilac eagle]

Never broke stam

[wraith locust]

Are the main offenders imo

[wraith locust]

Hmm are you super exp on vet?

[idle swallow]

Vets probably the best at rapid special/elite takedowns but not for overall damage potential

[lilac eagle]

I play ranged vet, full crit build + marksman focus, and I'm effective

[tall torrent]

Usually not as high as Soulblaze trauma psyker let’s be real

[lilac eagle]

But literally my zealot is just 100000% better in every situation lmao

[woven vigil]

finally

[wraith locust]

Imo total dmg is not a very relevant stat

[woven vigil]

@lilac eagle thanks for the build tips, ended up doing it with yours

[wraith locust]

You can inflate it

[tall torrent]

It’s high but all 4 classes have high Dmg builds that the argument more or less doesn’t matter

[lilac eagle]

Ayyyy, was just about to ask

Hows it feel?

Compared to other vet builds

[woven vigil]

I ended up saying fuck it and farming the last 100 kills at Smelter complex end lol. My hand is numb

[woven vigil]

pretty good actually. Didn't feel like a wet noodle much, compared to the usual

could still do my shooting too a bit more easily

[lilac eagle]

My issue is I just run forward too much

[frank monolith]

also when i used to use mk3, sometimes when im really close to a chaos spawn its sometimes doesnt hit the weakspot with the push attack, maybe its clipping on some part of its body on the higher area but on mk6 i dont have this problem 👀

[woven vigil]

yee that was my problem too, I hated having to be so far back or crouch walking most of the time

[lilac eagle]

Oh so literally the first game I hopped into today as Vet, after that conversation earlier, I played with a Helbore vet who was obviously trying to get the same penance

Man was crab walking the entire match

Tho I can't help but feel helbore is a terrible choice for attempting that penance

[woven vigil]

oof, he was doing it with the hellbore?

bro is probably still doing it now as we speak lol

[lilac eagle]

Tbf I did see him shooting through lines of chaff and killing all of them at once

So if he was getting headshots like that...

[somber axle]

Sounds like hel. He must be so bore d.

[lilac eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-lol-gif-27337929

[somber axle]

[woven vigil]

hmm, okay that sounds sort of... reasonable in a way? But still way too much work than just dumping your IAG or lasgun into a horde

[lilac eagle]

I just don't like helbore lmao

This game has too many enemies that move far too quickly for the fuuucking 2 second charge up time between shots

[rocky jacinth]

lasguns in general have been powercreeped to hell since talents boost damage so much

[tiny summit]

Oh nvm had to reread that

[rocky jacinth]

why click heads with lasers when a columnus 1 shots them too

[lilac eagle]

I've always rocked a XII kentrael, its just my favourite

[tiny summit]

XII. Ew

[lilac eagle]

Tho the rapid fire one, not the recon las, is funny when you ignore the pain in your shooting finger

[tiny summit]

At that point I might as well use a helbore

[lilac eagle]

What is you on brother

[tiny summit]

MGIV is nice

[lilac eagle]

I don't know that one off by heart

[tiny summit]

The rapid fire ilas

[lilac eagle]

See I had a really good one of them but it got bricked by infernus

[tiny summit]

XII shoots too slow where I'd rather just have a helbore that hits harder and a bayonet

[lilac eagle]

See XII hits hard enough, especially with my crit build where I can consistently 2 shot reapers and bulwarks

AND it shoots fast enough to clear hordes without wasting shots

[tiny summit]

XII, shoots fast. Pick one. I kid but I'd rather use the Ia or the helbores. At least I can stab a horde and a hb2 with a decent charge rate shoots fast enough to me

[lilac eagle]

See I can fire off 2 shots with my XII in the same time as it takes a Helbore to charge up to full

[rocky jacinth]

I love the XII but it doesn't really have much of a purpose right now

[lilac eagle]

Which effectively does exactly the same damage, because both will deal over the target's hp in damage

Iunno, none of the other vet weapons, besides bolter and maaaybe plasma, feel that impactful to use

The lasguns have that nice little 'zap!' instant feedback when putting a glowing hole in someone's skull

[wraith locust]

Did you mean revolver lol

Bc bolter is a hot pile of garbage rn

[lilac eagle]

Why in the FUCK would I use a revolver in this game

[wraith locust]

[lilac eagle]

I don't care if its meta

That thing sounds and feels like a Goddamn nerf gun

[shadow aurora]

Because you get to be a rootin tootin cowboy

[lilac eagle]

<.<

Almost convinced me with that

[wraith locust]

Nvm when you said impactful I assumed you meant impactful in terms of it being good

[lilac eagle]

Is there a cowboy hat cosmetic?

[wraith locust]

Not how it sounds

[lilac eagle]

Oh yeh sorry

I meant actual feel of the weapon

[shadow aurora]

Closest thing we have is that one hat for psyker

[lilac eagle]

How chunky it feels to use

[rocky jacinth]

If you want chunky, Kantrael shotgun

[somber axle]

My Mk II with max charge rate and Weight of Fire will take that race and weight for you at the finish line

A Mg1a or Mk IV shoots faster but they're also just playing glowy raindrops on a Crusher face

Meanwhile my Mk II Helbore two shots Crushers while room cleaning

[lilac eagle]

I will admit, crushers are my weakness

BUT I have a powersword and krak grenades for them

[rocky jacinth]

Run crit blessings -> fire into a hallway of shotgunners -> watch the gore drip off the ceiling

[lilac eagle]

Whenever I use shotguns I feel like I spend half the game out of ammo

[wise fossil]

IMO shotguns need very specific talents and you should spam the special shots. Also headshots are a must

[verbal ferry]

How do you use the shoot behind cover mechanic? I dont' think I'm getting it to work

[tame lodge]

Just stand behind it, very close to it and aim

Only works on the low ones

So you need to be crouched

[verbal ferry]

should've made it work for corners too

[tame lodge]

That's what I'm saying, I love Far Cry because of that

But gunners used to push you away from cover

So the cover mechanic of DT isn't great imo

Probably one of the main reasons why vets (myself included) will stand wherever when shooting

[hidden torrent]

I need one of you vet knowers, what is the absolute best possible build and kit for all situations?

Objectively

[unique sorrel]

im tempted to say a joke answer like 3333 ius

but 2212 plasma doesn't go wrong

[hidden torrent]

I'll asking for a friend, he doesn't like to spam heavy attacks, and he wants a gun that feels good to use

[tame lodge]

It's plasma psword VoC

[hidden torrent]

Preferably a stub, or autogun

[tame lodge]

But psword is a rng nightmare

[hollow ibex]

Columnus, power sword, VOC and frags in that case

[wise fossil]

Shovel 7, plasma, frag, VoC, focus target

Or Columnus if you like your bullets

[hidden torrent]

I'm getting a lot of different answers here

[unique sorrel]

well the weapon choice changes the build

[hidden torrent]

I guess let me narrow it down, he likes to melee he's not a gun vet, wants to use a autogun of some sort

[tame lodge]

It's because plasma and Ciag are the goats

[rocky jacinth]

weapon specialist power sword any gun frags

[wise fossil]

There are lots of good melee tbh. Depends on taste

[unique sorrel]

ciag with kraks and a horde clearing melee really fits most situations

i like DC for melee just because it makes ragers braindead easy

parries makes melee a bit more interesting

[hidden torrent]

He doesn't exactly want to use ps

[wise fossil]

IMO power sword is for gun vets that don't enjoy melee. There isn't really much play to it. Very simple moveset

[slate hawk]

Very true

[wise fossil]

It's super slow too

[wise fossil]

My favorite is shovel VII

[rocky jacinth]

weapon specialist dclaw columnus

[idle swallow]

Weapon specialist chaxe is my jam rn

[wise fossil]

Dclaw is great too

[slate hawk]

Shoves 3 > shovel 7 imo

I dont like to heavy attack for crowd clear

[wise fossil]

I don't use heavies for horde

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialist bad

-Sponsored by Nurgle

[midnight totem]

Power sword is good for vets that like to melee

And good for vets who don't like to melee

[verbal ferry]

is survivalist the only way to get ammo outside of ammo packs?

[midnight totem]

For different reasons

Yes

[meager geode]

god those shitty skills

[verbal ferry]

is the 1% ammo perk actually useful? because i'm finding i'm out of ammo a lot

[late hatch]

Im trying out the knife on vet atm. cant say its super impressive, but its fun sooming around

[bitter turtle]

what gun

[midnight totem]

If he doesn't want to use PS, all of the shovels, the knives, chainswords

They're all useful

[bitter turtle]

knives are the highest non-offensive utility melee

just use a knife then

[midnight totem]

Hell, chainaxes work

[wraith flare]

Still the best one even with the nerf

[wraith flare]

What blessings u running on it and are u using reciprocity

Also mk3 or the cringe knife?

[late hatch]

uncanny, bleed on crit, weap spec, recip, mk3

[wraith flare]

I do riposte and flesh tearer, does a pretty good job

[bitter turtle]

uncanny is mandatory no matter what

[wraith flare]

Anything I’d need uncanny for I just shoot

[hollow ibex]

That's a terrible idea

[wraith flare]

Considering I’ve never lost in stats I’d say it works

[hollow ibex]

Waste of holy munitions

[late hatch]

Uncanny is good if you can hit heads a lot, value drops if you struggle to hit the weakspot I guess

[wraith flare]

I never said it’s bad

[hollow ibex]

At which point don't even use knife lol

[late hatch]

Yeah ps is for feeling lazy and just blindly flailing your weapon around

[wraith flare]

I just stab shit and they either die to the crit or bleed to death in no time whatsoever

[low yacht]

I might have found the best Accatran build.

If I could post here.

[wraith flare]

I’ll judge cause accatran but I’ll look

If u can’t post here dm it

[low yacht]

In my opinion

[violet flame]

Is there anyone running for 5 deathless maelstroms these pubs hurt my sanity

Best I got was 4/5 then game froze and it was gg's 🫠💀

[late hatch]

Is haymaker worth running on the knife?

[bitter turtle]

not really no

[last parcel]

chat a bit more and you’ll get image perms. or just make it on gameslantern and link it (i think that should still work)

[bitter turtle]

maybe as a meme on mk6

[midnight totem]

Only on the mk6

[bitter turtle]

sounds bad still though

[late hatch]

I didnt think so, but melk is offering the t4 blessing

[midnight totem]

It's funny when it works

[bitter turtle]

well

you can grab it

[low yacht]

I ran a bleed and mercy killer

[bitter turtle]

for fun

if you'd like

[bitter turtle]

do not run bleed+mercy killer

[low yacht]

Bleed is good once you have mercy killer.

[bitter turtle]

you can grab bleed on the vet tree (serrated blades)

[low yacht]

It's meant to combo

[bitter turtle]

running knife without uncanny is bad

[midnight totem]

Yes its meant to combo.

[low yacht]

Worked fine for me who doesn't use bleed and bonus damage.

[midnight totem]

But

[radiant chasm]

No, not even mk6

[low yacht]

Rending

Exists

[midnight totem]

It's better to have serrated

And then uncanny/mercy killer

[bitter turtle]

yes, im sure it worked fine for you

[radiant chasm]

Run uncanny+ mercy with serrated, or riposte or precognition otherwise

But haymaker isnt worth it, knife does too much damage to too little targets

[low yacht]

Invisible is why

[bitter turtle]

just like my loadout worked fine for me when i forgot to add talents again after testing

[low yacht]

I run Invisible gun runner with grenades.

[radiant chasm]

It is no ogryn club that can sweep entire swathes away with one swing

Mk6 blade is still target capped

[low yacht]

MK3 is the knife I use.

I haven't touched MK6.

[radiant chasm]

With uncanny+ one of the 3 i mentioned above you will have plenty of damage just keep hitting heads

If you really wanna force bleed, always flesh tearer>>>> lacerate

[low yacht]

My knife was a 377 when I got it.

As a grey.

Bleed is only for stacking my perks.

The advantage to it is getting your ability back faster.

[midnight totem]

You mean by killing specials?

[low yacht]

I run bleed hammer.

[tall torrent]

Mk6 knife with executor actually not bad, tried it for a few games

[tall torrent]

What’s the target cap on mk6

[low yacht]

Sweeping Slash is good

On swords. I enjoy bladed weapons.

[midnight totem]

Yes, swords are bladed weapons

[low yacht]

Devils Claw MKIV is my favorite.

[trim hemlock]

It's not capped. It just doesn't really have cleave to make good use of 4+ target damage (nor is the damage very high to begin with)

[tall torrent]

Yea cleave Dmg distribution is pretty bad but H1 and H2 both have 6.5 cleave

[low yacht]

Knives are stabbing weapons not slashing weapons.

Especially Combat Knives.

[tall torrent]

Does it have the same target Dmg cap like XV evicerator

[trim hemlock]

No, it doesn't

Evis 15 ceases to deal damage to 5th+ target

[low yacht]

It does a lot of damage but not like you are thinking.

The knife.

[trim hemlock]

CB Mk6 can deal damage, but good luck getting to 4+ targets with it

(probably "doable" against poxers and groaners only)

[low yacht]

Sly Marbo did it with a knife.

Muties are squishy remember this.

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1238224374675537930/1238238446016008272/Crusher_3.2k_dps.mp4?ex=663e8eea&is=663d3d6a&hm=d7a4ef80004618e5644b6cb4af6aaa0780810f3824c88fdf56c78e1dac06c9f7&

It’s good enough

[low yacht]

What crushers.

I killed them already with Krak grenades.

[trim hemlock]

The kill was so quick Krak's fuse time wouldn't even finish

[tall torrent]

So it doesn’t have target Dmg cap it’s just that the Dmg distribution is bad as expected

[low yacht]

I run specialist builds.

[tall torrent]

That’s fine by me

[trim hemlock]

This is what Heavy 1/2 does

against Unarmoured

[low yacht]

Accatran Lasgun with invisible

[trim hemlock]

target 4+ receives the damage numbers listed in the bottom row

[low yacht]

Does plus 30 damage

Adding onto damage.

And Plus 30 from that range.

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s very low ik

[low yacht]

It stacks a lot of damage and you can equip several things to increase ranged damage.

Plus I run headhunter on recon.

And that increased critical damage is easy to hit with an automatic gun.

[somber axle]

ok as a gunlugger ogryn it is extra funny watching vets vacuum up ammo while on white ammo and then die LMFAO

thanks my guy for swallowing all the tins and packs then falling into the trash with them

Papa Nurgle sends his funniest Crusher squads to punish ammo goblins

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-hysteria-hysteria-halloween-fall-autumn-gif-20515120

[wraith flare]

I’d rather not waste points

[bitter turtle]

wasting a blessing slot is even worse

[oblique totem]

"You'd only misuse it."

[bitter turtle]

rennding strike give 10% rending, uncanny gives 24% per stack

way stronger than any single talent on vet tree

[oblique totem]

Which weapon is this?

[bitter turtle]

knife

but frankly

[oblique totem]

Also, how does rending work?

[bitter turtle]

every single weapon that has uncanny strikes uses it on its optimal loadout

[oblique totem]

Is it just another word for bleed?

[bitter turtle]

its by far one of the strongest blessings for straight up dmg increase

[bitter turtle]

no

rending works by modifying the armor modifier values on weapons

example: recon lasguns have a 50% modifier against maniac

[crude fiber]

do combat axes have uncanny? i cant remember

[bitter turtle]

no

that means recon lasguns, when they shoot have their dmg multiplied by 50% if they hit a maniac

or halved

[formal zealot]

Howdy all

[bitter turtle]

what rending does is add the rending value onto the armor modifier

[oblique totem]

Ohh. So it's just a flat 10 percent against all armor?

[bitter turtle]

so 10% rending

would change it to 60%

so now you only lose 40% instead of 50% of your dmg

you can go above 100% rending

but the value is quartered

so if you had +100% rending

on that recon

the first 50% would work normally

you'd get to 100% rending

but the last 50% would be quartered

so it would actually only be like 112.5% modifier

so you can see why uncanny strikes is stupidly good

[oblique totem]

So, 75 percent gets through?

[formal zealot]

What's a good Plasma gun build?

[bitter turtle]

no, 1/4th goes through

anything above 100%

[oblique totem]

Ah.

[bitter turtle]

but anyway, even in the absolute worst case for uncanny strikes

it would still be about a 25% dmg increase

[crude fiber]

i thought rending worked like brittleness

[bitter turtle]

and that's assuming you had 100% modifier against all armor to begin with

[oblique totem]

Don't think chainsword has uncanny

[bitter turtle]

which you probably dont

[bitter turtle]

brittleness is just rending, but as a debuff on enemies instead of a buff on yourself

[oblique totem]

How does brittleness and rending stack?

[bitter turtle]

they stack together normally

like how you would think

since they do the exact same thing its not a big deal

[oblique totem]

Ah, awesome

[bitter turtle]

like if you shoot an enemy with 30% brittleness debuff and you have 20% rending, and your armor modifier is 40%

it would go to 90%

of course, any spillover above 100% still gets quartered

but yeah

you can see why uncanny is obscene

24% x 5 rending

even if you quartered it

its still a huge damage increase

[oblique totem]

Backstab rogue build viable

[somber axle]

Clown music is playing in my head 24/7 so probably not wrong LMFAO

[crude fiber]

im having a hard time trying to say what i thought they did without typing a paragraph. ill just take your word for it

[oblique totem]

And somehow still on par with the rest of the team.

[somber axle]

The Lucky Bullet penance is surprisingly easy to earn just playing normal matches tbh

[bitter turtle]

also keep in mind

[somber axle]

Unless you dislike the playstyle or have ammo hungry team mates

[bitter turtle]

your armor modifier changes depending on your distance

this is only relevant for guns of course

[somber axle]

Mowing down squads of Maulers, Crushers and Bulwarks by firing right into their shields is very funny

[bitter turtle]

but any gun with significant falloff damage loss will get it back from rendinng

[somber axle]

Love playing Gunlugger

[bitter turtle]

at least partially

[somber axle]

On par? I was the last one standing. I am a very new Ogryn, still learning the ropes, but I can still carry others on my back

The clown shoes are bigger but it is like riding a bike: once you know how to do the clown dance, it doesn't matter how big or small you are

[oblique totem]

I was trying to be nice to them.

[somber axle]

The kindness they get is from me bringing them to the end of the mission

[oblique totem]

And I'm sure they are eternally grateful for your contribu-
Wait don't read the chat!

[hybrid notch]

U guys like the bolter

Hella cool but the draw is so slow

[bitter turtle]

you can do a tech to make it nearly instant swap

[hybrid notch]

My guy is like in a dream sequence

Fr?

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHA8-mGQ1Tk

[hybrid notch]

I’m new so I just been using the ability that swaps

Execution stance or smthn

[bitter turtle]

ya

that works to instant swap too

[snow cypress]

Gunners are a pain in my ass

[bitter turtle]

if you want to try it

the tech is:

have at least one missing bullet so you can reload

then when you swap:

start reload to cancel swap animation -> cancel reload with sprint

[snow cypress]

#nomoregunners

[hybrid notch]

Dope

I’ll have to try it thanks

[bitter turtle]

np

[tame lodge]

Me with Vraks 7/Helbore

[iron chasm]

Anyone wanna pull this apart and make better suggestions. Right now it's stomping Heresy but I haven't tested damnation.

[pallid jetty]

so you know - everything you can imagine stomps heresy

[iron chasm]

Which is why I don't just trust it.

[pallid jetty]

rending is useless

suppression immunity is useless

no key-stone, would rather pick the mid one

[last parcel]

Terrifying Barrage barely does anything. Swap for Stripped Down or one of the damage ones.

Power Sword wants Power Cycler, and Supercharge doesn't do much

[pallid jetty]

no power cycle on sword? thank god you asked for an advice

[white minnow]

suppression immunity is fine for the guns that need it

[last parcel]

another reason to take mid keystone is to get the left subnode for the stamina, since they're running deadshot too

[pallid jetty]

yeah no shit, but look at what he wanna use

[white minnow]

i consider the IAGs one of them

[pallid jetty]

and i dont

[oblique totem]

I have. A question.

[iron chasm]

This has been way stronger than a few keystone build. I honestly don't think they are required. For veteran anyway.

[oblique totem]

Agile engagement and weapon specialist. Clearly meant to work into each other but all the good damage bonuses are in the other two columns.
Is focus a more practical final node?

[last parcel]

They're not required, but you're running Deadshot and there's synergy there. Middle keystone has a subnode to give you back stamina when marked targets die. You could also use those 2 points on getting Duck and Dive

[pallid jetty]

what?

what is the question

[oblique totem]

Look at the bottom

Six words followed by a question mark

[pallid jetty]

smart ass, huh

[oblique totem]

A little, but come on.

[pallid jetty]

i dont understand what you mean

wtf is focus

[last parcel]

Focus Target

middle keystone

[pallid jetty]

i see

[oblique totem]

Is going down the center tree for focus target more practical than weapons specialist

Because there are better damage buffs there than with weapons specialist

[pallid jetty]

middle one is more for defensive playstyle, stay with the team, right one is for massacre in the middle of a horde

[oblique totem]

Middle massacre is my play style though. Or something like close range suppression

[pallid jetty]

right one gives you speed, and only to you

[white minnow]

I like weapon spec for melee buffs

[pallid jetty]

middle one gives benefits to the team

like it is said on the keystones, duh

but at least the mid one have better enhancement perks

weapon specialist enhancement perks are dog shit

[white minnow]

2 of them are fine which is good nuff

[pallid jetty]

i strongly dissagree

non of them

[last parcel]

bro's never used always prepared with revolver

[white minnow]

reload on ranged weapon spec and toughness on weapon spec activation are good

[pallid jetty]

everything else you can spend points on is better than these

[white minnow]

reload on ranged weapon spec is more niche but fine

sure and I give them up on my builds as well, but I could see myself taking them if I valued things a bit differently

[pallid jetty]

well ok

however you like

[wise fossil]

The only WS upgrade I've ever taken is the stamina for deadshot. Even then it felt unnecessary

[pallid jetty]

i better take +damage on weak spot, or toughness damage reduction

or grenade every minute

[white minnow]

id take it if I didn't need longshot to hit certain BPs for headhunter

[white minnow]

sure I have those on my weapon spec build

[pallid jetty]

i better take out for blood

10 times better that 20% toughness on activation

[white minnow]

there are 30 points to spread around and there are surely permutations where those talents are good and you've already taken the good ones

[pallid jetty]

even bleed on melee hits is worth more than these

[white minnow]

yeah though ofb has the known problem of being through vanguard if one finds the 2 point cost for it too much

if running revolver then the reload node is p good

and sure serrated blade is good for some

[snow cypress]

Is this talent worth it for infilltrate build with knife?

[pallid jetty]

if i want to reload my revolvers, i throw a smoke or just retreat behind a corner

or use stealth

[snow cypress]

do you use smoke?

[white minnow]

and the reload node enabled you to be in the right more often and enabled a different playstyle

I'm not saying that you can't live without it

[pallid jetty]

best grenade in the game, bro

no joke

[snow cypress]

oh

[white minnow]

I'm just saying it has value for a play style and that it is worth taking over certain talents for a build

[pallid jetty]

yeah yeah yeah ok ok man

[snow cypress]

I'm still confused about how does the smoke work

[pallid jetty]

say it one more time pls

[pallid jetty]

there is a video on yt im sure, with a guide

[white minnow]

hey, I'm just repeating it since it's my perception that you're not getting what I'm saying

it is what it is

[snow cypress]

I'll check,thanks

I use infiltrate

So maybe smoke is useful

[pallid jetty]

dude, so you know - I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES IN BUILDS

ok?

[white minnow]

mhm

and I'm saying that there are optimality reasons to take it

[pallid jetty]

the thing is

[white minnow]

not just that there are different builds

[pallid jetty]

i HATE the weapon specialist enhancement perks

[white minnow]

sure you can dislike them

[pallid jetty]

i dont dislike them

i hate them

imo they are the most useless shit in the game

[white minnow]

sure you can hate them and that valuation shouldn't affect your perception of their strength

I hate smite but that doesn't make it bad

[pallid jetty]

so if you think otherwise - whatever

[pallid jetty]

using smite is terrible, but it is one of the best things in the game

for a team

and horde clear with empowered psyoniks is damn good too

[snow cypress]

smite is good :[

[pallid jetty]

but holding a single button in the middle of an intence fight is not fun

[snow cypress]

Well, maybe for you

[white minnow]

yeah I just consider it's design garbage and it's playstyle garbage for both the user and teammates

[snow cypress]

And you can combine smite with a staff and destroy the horde

[white minnow]

freezing enemies for such a long time is not my idea of engaging gameplay

[snow cypress]

But is not only freezing them

Is pushing them

So they have to go up

[white minnow]

the fact that it is freezing them is alone for me to dislike it

I've never liked old surge staff, trauma, or stun grenades for what they were

prolonged CC is just boring

[somber axle]

I mean it's just CC

Like using suppression to pin down ranged trash

Except it also kills trash

[white minnow]

I also don't like how suppression functions as an off button for ranged enemies

the damage or whatever doesn't matter

just the fact that enemies do nothing

is what makes me not like any of those

[somber axle]

I love suppression honestly and enjoy it as a fun way of counterplay when I'm playing Zealot with zero brain cell Vets who think ranged trash should be someone else's job. If I have to close the distance to engage them in melee it helps to fire off some shots from cover before sprinting in to buy a few seconds of time to reach them first

It's useful for people who know how and when to use it effectively

Dodge slide tech is good for avoiding shots

Suppression tech stops them entirely

[pallid jetty]

damn, when im playing vet and see ranged trash im thinking - oh, free toughness

[somber axle]

In either case it's a way of preventing damage so you can make some space/time to kill

Smite is easy and I agree the one button playstyle is braindead to play. Not my idea of fun. But it is a mechanic based around CC to assist the team. Like a shield ogryn spamming shield special and standing still in front of a line of gunners for 2 minutes, it isn't the shield's fault that the mechanic is being used as a crutch

[white minnow]

suppression works yeah but it's just far too binary of a mechanic as it is

[pallid jetty]

and suppression is bad cause 99% of people i see dont even know suppression exists

[somber axle]

Overly relying on Smite is a PEBKAC issue

[oblique totem]

Ammo runs dry, beast of Nurgle appears.
It's so over.
Ammo crate located
We're so back.
Pack of hounds spawn
It's sooooo over
Team salty player that quit earlier is replaced by someone actually good
We are sooooo back!

[civic knot]

If i would run flechette instead of full bore, would the bleeds have more dmg from no respite?

[white minnow]

no particular nuance when it's "enemy gets turned off" or "enemy is not turned off"

suppression is bad because ranged enemies aren't a threat in this game

e.g., no one cared about pre patch 13 void strike suppression because they still weren't a threat

and vstrike suppression was fucking massive on a kill

[pallid jetty]

after reading this i think that your every opinion has 0 value

[white minnow]

how so?

[somber axle]

It's because the average player thinks "LOL wHy uSe SuPpReSsIoN jUsT kIlL iNsTeAD dEaTh Is PeRmA cRoWd CoNtRoL!1!!"

[crude fiber]

i wouldnt put flechette on agripinaa

[white minnow]

ranged enemies don't push you at all

[somber axle]

It isn't the fault of the game or the mechanic if people willingly choose not to use it

[civic knot]

do you know the answer to the question?

[oblique totem]

You know, there are real life soldiers who think that and it is just as frustrating

[pallid jetty]

the most delusional DT player, man

damn

[white minnow]

they're a threat if the game occasionally spawns melee + ranged or there's a situation where you're forced to take bad positions against them, but that is ridiculously rare and we live in an era of ridiculous toughness regeneration

[somber axle]

That's wild. Anyway send them on a flanking maneuver without covering fire and let them sort out their lack of braincells thinking they can outrun bullets

[white minnow]

gunners/shotgunners are just free money for elite talents

[oblique totem]

Are you kidding? Some of the worst team wipes I've had are when a hoard of gunners spawn.

[hollow ibex]

i believe so, someone tested no respite and kanty's fire DOT does is affected

so bleed should be too

[crude fiber]

keep full bore

[pallid jetty]

gunners are not even a threat, the common trash shooters are a threat

[white minnow]

I've not had a wipe to ranged enemies in a long while

[civic knot]

ofc i will

im theory crafting

so stop please

[crude fiber]

no

[hollow ibex]

but yeah don't put flechette on agri lol

[crude fiber]

if something survives a crit from an agripinaa im sure 6 stacks of bleed wont finfish it

[pallid jetty]

6 stacks only? bruh

[slender turtle]

Finally, someone said it

[crude fiber]

6 or 8, i thought 6

[white minnow]

trash shooters are especially not a threat cuz you can just sprint slide at them as any class now

[pallid jetty]

i dont understand why its not obvious for the most people

[somber axle]

Common trash shooters are a threat because everyone in quickplay is hoping everyone else will take care of them so they don't have to

[white minnow]

if there are no reapers, it's very often that you can just run up to them and whack their asses in melee

[pallid jetty]

nah, not only cause of this

[white minnow]

and exploit the stupid amount of ranged mitigation mechanics in this game

[pallid jetty]

they just do 20-30% toughness damage from a single burst

[white minnow]

e.g., sprinting with your camera at an angle

[pallid jetty]

ffs man

[white minnow]

just sprint sliding

dodging breaks trash ranged enemy's tracking and gives ranged iframes

they are just not a threat if you use any of these

[somber axle]

On my Vet when I run any Lasgun I clean specials, elites and ranged trash effectively. When I'm playing other classes I feel the sting of not being able to quickly, easily and safely empty a room of ranged trash compared to Vet

[white minnow]

fatshark has overcompensated with giving players mechanisms to mitigate ranged enemies

[somber axle]

Is it still doable as other classes? Absolutely. But Vet just does it easiest imo

[pallid jetty]

yeah no shit, but what if you're out of dodges and surrounded by melee enemies

your ass is dead

[white minnow]

you can also just run

just turn back and run

[pallid jetty]

yeah of course, run with no stamina cause im blocking and pushing

as i said - delusional af

[white minnow]

sprint speed differences between high and no stamina are not as big as you think

[crude fiber]

so am i missing some mechanic for sprint slide spam? people always say just sprint slide but it doesnt dodge 100% of shots and if theres a dozen shooters your gonna get tickled down pretty fast

[pallid jetty]

not gonna argue with you, holy jesus

these players man

[white minnow]

on vet, you drop down to 50% of your sprint speed bonus at zero stamina, and the bonus is not that much for a lot of weapons

[somber axle]

Ok so in a vacuum this is correct. You can literally just dodge slide or suppress or go right in for the kill on ranged trash. But now add a horde of poxwalkers. Add disablers. Specials and Elites. Ragers and Bulwarks and Maulers and Crushers in the squad's face. You have multiple higher priority threats to deal with first. Meanwhile ranged trash is quietly peppering the team as basically free damage taken from the AI director

They become a threat when you have more to think about

[white minnow]

good thing there's the slot mechanic

scab shooters are not shooting you if a melee enemy is occupying a slot

[pallid jetty]

its not perfect, with lots of enemies its not guarantied that you'll survive

[white minnow]

and stalkers are easily melee-locked

[somber axle]

Do you genuinely think this

[white minnow]

yes

I'm not saying that they never shoot

[somber axle]

It's not true though

[white minnow]

but it's a combination of that + body blocking

[somber axle]

You can literally see in games that they continue firing while you are engaged in melee

[crude fiber]

with how many people say "just slide 4head" it made me think i was missing a mechanic

[white minnow]

yeah and I'm not saying that they never shoot

[wise fossil]

This is... uh... not true

[pallid jetty]

still a good tactic tho, but just not a panacea

[white minnow]

but the game has a lot of sneaky mechanisms to prevent enemy densities from curb stomping you

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[somber axle]

Like I get that on their own they are trivial. They ARE. But they are almost never on their own in higher difficulties

[bitter turtle]

i can atttest anecdotatlly at least, they will shoot less when you engage in melee

[somber axle]

You will have much more to worry about that takes higher priority than ranged trash

[pallid jetty]

@somber axle i think the guy is just knife zealot main

[white minnow]

but you can always separate ranged enemies from melee enemies

because melee enemies push you hard and are usually always able to be fought before having to deal with ranged

[civic knot]

Is flechette + manstopper viable for kantrael shottie?

[bitter turtle]

define viable

its a meme

[white minnow]

I'm technically a Psyker main

[bitter turtle]

i have one

[pallid jetty]

"but you can always separate ranged enemies from melee enemies" I FUCKING CANT MAN

[bitter turtle]

its

[white minnow]

vet is my second highest

[bitter turtle]

functional

but if you ask "is it worth"

no

[pallid jetty]

HOLY FUCK

his ass is NOT playing the game

[wise fossil]

I mean shottys are barely worth with the good blessings, so meme ones aren't gonna be great

[pallid jetty]

omg

[white minnow]

and that's assuming the game spawns ranged + melee patrols together

oh I'm certainly playing the game

[somber axle]

I've played Knife Zealot and played with lots of good Knife Zealots, and like I don't think it's that. I think he has a very curious perception of how much of a threat ranged trash are. My guess is Shieldgryn who spams shield special in front of ranged trash and waits for someone else to kill everything before he moves because it's the only thing I can think of to teach someone the wild idea that ranged enemies can't push you

[bitter turtle]

ranged enemies are very harmless though, especially on vet and zealot

[civic knot]

Agri is a hidden gem with full bore, no respite + flak/maniac

[white minnow]

I do run knife zealot but its my 3rd most played class

[crude fiber]

i see what hes saying that ranged enemies dont push up anywhere near as much as melee dudes. problem is no one wants to backtrack just to clear trash then push the shooters after

[civic knot]

2 shot bodyshot kills on every rager/gunner and one shot headshots on gunners with full bore procced

[bitter turtle]

you have a gorillion ways to shrug off their minor damage

[tall torrent]

u need to have the shooters not be in a defined FOV to dodge their shots

[white minnow]

otherwise I play marksman vet or weapon spec vet, or with crit build zealot, or with some variety of psyker

[crude fiber]

define a "defined FOV" please

[bitter turtle]

you have to not look, kat them

[somber axle]

I have a saying that goes "finish your food" when people literally will kill specials/elites then walk by while a handful of ranged/melee trash continue to whack/shoot at their backs

[bitter turtle]

object permanence doesn't exist in darktide

[somber axle]

It's weird seeing people just eat free damage

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[somber axle]

And even funnier when they go down to it

[sinful swallow]

This is in psykanium tutorial

[pallid jetty]

oh man if i see one im gonna just stare

even if it is just a poxwalker

[wise fossil]

I think this plus very specific vet talents is good. Like, high B tier.

But that's the only time shottys are even approaching actually being a top pick

[crude fiber]

i dont believe you., i doubt the game tells you enemies miss when you dont look at them

[civic knot]

im actually not sure if i wanna invest in crit for this tho, doesnt seem to make that high a difference when hitting heads and for breakpoints on important enemies

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1xybCT1_g

no object permanence

[wise fossil]

For flechette you mean?

[white minnow]

this mechanic is as deranged as it sounds

but it does exist

[bitter turtle]

they dont tell you the part hwere its contingent on your camera

and that you can sprint directly into gunfire

if you dont look at it

[pallid jetty]

would you kindly spawn 2 more gunners and 4 more range trash and repeat 🙂

[crude fiber]

so is it just sprinting in general while not looking at them that lets you dodge?

[civic knot]

Which shottie besides lawbringer bleed meme works best for with manstopper? Agri or kantrael?

[wise fossil]

With stamina

[somber axle]

Most common offenders are Smitekers who will smite the entire room and go down to the single dreg bruiser spanking them, outright refusing to swap melee or even use their staff/gun to deal with it

[crude fiber]

kantrael with scatterhot and flechette

[pallid jetty]

classic

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVt8vDLt24

i gotchu

[civic knot]

does crit chance give it more bleed stacks?

[crude fiber]

i guess that explains the stupid wording of that zealot talent on bottom right

[bitter turtle]

this is why

[pallid jetty]

nah nah nah, in different places 🙂

[bitter turtle]

i say gunners

[crude fiber]

no

[bitter turtle]

are lirterally the easiest enemy

[pallid jetty]

like IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING GAME 🙂

[civic knot]

Then why scattershot?

[bitter turtle]

when