veteran-class

[radiant chasm]

people made a big fuss about it but people were begging for their accounts to be reinstated after deleting them

gamers cannot stand for anything for too long

[faint beacon]

I'll be quick with my two cents seeing I want to avoid droning on about a game thats not Darktide, We basically witnessed a live execution of a good Dev team by the hands of Sony, I simply say we continue to try to make Sony crack but they're notoriously anti-consumer.

[shadow aurora]

Yall remember the reddit blackout?

[radiant chasm]

which one?

[shadow aurora]

Wait there were multiple??

[faint beacon]

how long did it last again? like 2 seconds? lmao

[radiant chasm]

there were some for the anti privacy internet laws

[pallid jetty]

like they havent been it for many years

[radiant chasm]

that i'm pretty sure got passed anyways, or at least some of them

[shadow aurora]

Uhhh i think two weeks?

[faint beacon]

Yup, its why I REALLY don't like Sony

[shadow aurora]

Didnt really help that they all said exactly when theyd stop protesting

[faint beacon]

its why I was super sketchy about buying HD2 at first

[pallid jetty]

i just look at what sony releases and like - bruh thats not games, thats just cutscenes with some gayplay

they killed kratos

[faint beacon]

gayplay, lmao

[pallid jetty]

oh yeah

[radiant chasm]

lmao kratos is 10x the character now

[pallid jetty]

gameplay AND gayplay

[radiant chasm]

literally real time character growth

and they have good gameplay last I checked but i don't own a ps to confirm it

[pallid jetty]

he became a common bitch so normie consumers will understand him easily

[radiant chasm]

he had a son and regrets

it's literally the devs themselves aging and growing

and reflected on kratos

[pallid jetty]

god bless emulators so we can play first 3 games on pc

[radiant chasm]

edgy dark brooding kratos simply wouldn't be a big hit

the audience grew up, the devs grew up

[pallid jetty]

he was a big hit when he came out

no?

when psp was a thing

when games were cool

[radiant chasm]

there simply isn't room for +2 games with kratos being the same dark broody toddler

he was a big hit because that was the times

[pallid jetty]

thats why they used him as a face to adv the game, just a cry story but people will recognize the character

[radiant chasm]

lol

[pallid jetty]

cry stories fucking suck

EEFEEFGG NOOO I CANT DO THISS AAAH

[radiant chasm]

just a cry story when it's still violent and dark but this time the character is actually likeable

[idle swallow]

new gow is good, your taste just hasn't gotten past middle school yet

[radiant chasm]

kratos was a whiny dick, I love the old GoW games too but it ain't for kratos

[pallid jetty]

well maybe its just me who like characters who lost everything and they just have nothing to lose, and they just drive on immence violence to revenge

[radiant chasm]

kinda nailed it lol

[pallid jetty]

one of my fav games are call of juares gunslinger and mad max, so

[radiant chasm]

but he got his revenge, it's literally a post "Success" story

[pallid jetty]

this energy these chars have, the rage

[radiant chasm]

why make him retread old ground

kratos literally rages in the new ones lol, it drives multiple plot points

[pallid jetty]

they could make a visual novel out of it, wouldnt be worse

[radiant chasm]

and just like in the OG trilogy, his rage bit him in the ass more than not

[pallid jetty]

the thing is, he has something to lose

he is chained big time

in prev games he had NO chains

fucking ripping everyone apart

[radiant chasm]

except his contract, except his rampant ptsd, except his daddy issues

[floral hearth]

mad max is so underrated

[radiant chasm]

like taste is one thing I can respect that but lol your slander is baseless

[snow cypress]

Hi,what do I do if my aim is shit and I can't even shoot an stayed elephant?

[pallid jetty]

yeah like nobody said this a million times already

[radiant chasm]

swap to ogryn

[floral hearth]

million and one will do

[pallid jetty]

~800 online everyday in this 2015 game

"underrated"

fuck off

[floral hearth]

deserves more

jesus, who pissed in your cereal this morning

[pallid jetty]

kratos

[idle swallow]

I know bro is trying to edge lord it up

[pallid jetty]

i just dont like when big companies make a disgrace out of old cool characters

[radiant chasm]

kratos became a character and not a weapon for the player

[pallid jetty]

he was designed to be a living weapon by the way

god of war duh

[radiant chasm]

a lot of the old school characters were cool cause you were younger

[radiant chasm]

actually the name god of war was for the final boss aries

[pallid jetty]

and then?

[radiant chasm]

[pallid jetty]

alright, whatever

i just dont like blatant sentimental stuff

[radiant chasm]

i feel these "old school" characters really outshine the actually good characters like Master from FO

[crude fiber]

any alpha gamers wanna do a no downs maelstrom?

[small mauve]

(will bother you people later, my cat walked on the keyboard lol)

[pallid jetty]

alpha gamers are gonna drink some warm milk and prepare for school on monday

[radiant chasm]

just cause a character was cool doesn't really mean it's good

[radiant chasm]

if it helps, vet does have a harder time hitting breakpoints for rashad to properly use BM yes

[crude fiber]

real alphas dont go to school

[pallid jetty]

more complicated character doesnt mean he becomes better

[crude fiber]

they stay home and play video games all day

[small mauve]

as long as I oneshot scab bruiser I'm good no?

[pallid jetty]

i just want a new big game in which the main hero just loses everything and then goes for a revenge

[crude fiber]

psyker has several methods of auto hitting enemies

[snow cypress]

Yeah,I'm using psyker now

Using veteran was an agony

[idle swallow]

yeah vet is def not the class to play if you hate aiming

[pallid jetty]

btw i like to play cadian sometimes cause he's so fucking angry i feel an absolute joy pressing his voice of command ability

i just like angry characters

[crude fiber]

just used braced autos 4head

[wise fossil]

kraks don't kill bulwarks anymore?

damn

[austere badger]

What's the difference between the power swords?

[last parcel]

you need a source of +20% damage

[austere badger]

They do if you have the grenade upgrade.

[wise fossil]

that's extremly lame ngl

[hollow ibex]

6 is one of the best melee weapons in the game, and 3 is a trap

[dusk jacinth]

god this vet stance makes him look fucking mental

why did they make him hunch back

[wise fossil]

just use the new shovels

[dusk jacinth]

he's doing the kubrick stare

[small mauve]

as a vet, I am oneshotting scab bruiser with that, so I guess the finesse is high enough right? or do I have other breakpoints to check?

[wise fossil]

dreg bruiser as well

[small mauve]

omw to check, ty

yep I think I oneshot all the smaller ones so it's done for the vet

[hollow ibex]

i started trying rashad today too

man it's a beast

[small mauve]

Yeah I loved power sword, but the mobility of rashad is just way too nice

[umbral scaffold]

first weapon i got as vet, total blast

[smoky jasper]

Are weak spots the same as critical hits, as far as talents go? Like, Precision Strikes says "+30% weak spot damage" Does that mean critical hits are +30% damage, because weak spots count as critical hits?

Does that make sense? I'm having trouble explaining my question, lol.

[tall torrent]

No

[rocky trellis]

crits are a %based chance, weakspots are whether or not you shot a unit's head or head-equivalent

[tall torrent]

Weakspot hits are headshots (except beast of nurgle, with the yellow spot on its back)

Crit hits are different

[smoky jasper]

Okay, cool. So if I shoot a weak spot, that doesn't mean I get a critical hit.

[tall torrent]

If something says it gives +weakspot dmg, that applies to weakspot & crit weakspot hits

Also, +weakspot dmg, +crit dmg and +finesse dmg are all calculated in a way that the actual total %Dmg gain is nowhere near the number it says

[smoky jasper]

Ah. Is it like, +% to the bonus damage, not the overall?
Something like (using arbitrary numbers): 100 dmg, +10 for weakspot, +3 bonus damage ?

[tall torrent]

The +%weakspot dmg effect is only applied to the bonus dmg you get from hitting weak spots (compared to base dmg)

For example if a weapon does 50 base dmg and 100 dmg in weakspot

+30% weakspot would be
50 + (100-50)x(1+30%) = 115 dmg

[smoky jasper]

I see.

[tall torrent]

This can vary in effectiveness greatly

If a weapon does 80 dmg on body hit and 100 dmg on weakspot hit

+30% weakspot would result in 80 + (100-80)x(1+30%) = 106 dmg

Which is +6%

Works best for high finesse weapons (those with very large dmg discrepancies between weakspot/crit and body hits)

[quick burrow]

whats the veteran playstyle these days

[hollow ibex]

shoot a lot of things, melee a lot of things, nade a bunch of things

usually some mix of the three

[quick burrow]

behold my random lasgun build i just made

[tall torrent]

Which lasgun

[quick burrow]

las pistol

featuring my friend the tickler

[crude fiber]

pubs can really bring to the greatest heights or the lowest depths

[balmy flume]

The gamble is always part of the fun.

[tall torrent]

congrats, ur rly close now

[crude fiber]

im no josho but ill get it done

[tall torrent]

u just need 1 mission in auric damnation now I think

[crude fiber]

barrel check

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-insane-cat-deranged-cat-gif-2528630332348525147

[dusk jacinth]

some of yall got NO DRIP

i cannot lie

not me doe

i got dirp

drip

[wraith locust]

debating where to put my last point

rn it's on on your toes

but idt its that useful

[sinful jacinth]

Get that point in the 10% DR on toughness left row.

Plus it's kinda a sin going weapon specialist without agile engagement imo.

[wraith locust]

ah yea thats a fair point

[wraith locust]

what do you think

i think this will be better

gonna try it

[rigid pilot]

:prayge:

the trick was to throw it at bruisers in a doorway

[sinful jacinth]

Yes, always good to try it out before people do this or that. Not everyone has the same play style. Some things might work better for you then for me.

[wraith locust]

ty for the input

[unreal bone]

Boggles my mind how Psyker players can die so easily

having a ton of extra dodges and a TON of block power with peril blocking + deflector

[wraith locust]

Psyker is overall squishier than other classes I’d say

[hollow ibex]

they are on paper, but in practice, i don't think they're that much less survivable

[potent iris]

they get some crazy toughness regen

but less damage reduction

so it's definitely a bit harder to survive if you're eating too many hits that you'd normally get away with elsewhere

[unreal bone]

They have some crazy toughness regen amazing dodge capability and good blocking power.

[potent iris]

...but you really shouldn't be taking that many hits when, yeah ^

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1GAgL5pRVmvw38/XTRhshTW888b?invite=cr-MSxYZEosMjA3NTgzNjU1LA

[unreal bone]

Can't wait till I get my new GPU

so I can play darktide on like high settings at hopefully over 144fps

Getting a 4070 Super

I assume that'd be enough for darktide on high settings no RTX XD

[somber axle]

ok I'm converted

no more knife Zealot

only Thunder Hammer Zealot

[last parcel]

the bonk sticc

[somber axle]

I love bonking too much

[unreal bone]

Doing psyker penances right now 🥱

[somber axle]

Psyker penances were pretty easy

[unreal bone]

I hope so

I don't like the class.

[white minnow]

you combusted all over them

[somber axle]

Loner Zealot was the worst penance I've had to do

the ducklings haunt me even now

[hearty panther]

personally i have now been converted to the house of bayonet

[unreal bone]

Loner Zealot and Sustained ogryn

worst

[white minnow]

i keep getting owned on psyker because i've been used to vet and zealot having 50% toughness dr practically at all times

am i high or did messages get deleted

nvm

discord is just weird

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[somber axle]

Scriers Gaze Gunker with Macabian Dueling Sword IV and Mettle for the increased movement speed is an insane speed high that few things can match tbh

[white minnow]

it's true i'm a seer psyker main

[somber axle]

I love being truly uncatchable

Poke Crushers to death

[white minnow]

mettle truly is one of the talents of all time

[hearty panther]

doin it with dd

just shootin between bluebois

[white minnow]

DD with a proper precision warp staff OwO

one day, i will possess the warp glock to rule them all

[hearty panther]

give me a psyker shotgun

[last parcel]

i love blasting out blue balls

pow pow splat

[oblique totem]

Sure do wish I could play the game

[rapid palm]

so on the MG1a do ya want + flak and + maniac or something else?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[rapid palm]

okay thanks

[pallid jetty]

i just realized

with the green battle knife you cant spam fist-lmb

with regular one you can

interesting

[terse idol]

It is a way to get an over-head in your attack chaiin

if thaat's any conselation

[slender turtle]

I want a revolver-rifle now

[pallid jetty]

what

[vale ledge]

FELLAS

[slender turtle]

Not a perfect 380

Into the trash it goes. Its bricked, it cant be recovered, ITS OGRE

[vale ledge]

CAN THE SHOVEL COOK?

(Kriegsman build I refuse to use anything but the standard-issue Munitorum Sapper Shovel trademark)

[vale ledge]

Kriegsman work with what they can get.

And its better then the uhh

Other one

[junior needle]

Low first target, bad blessings

[vale ledge]

I rolled the worst shovel as a level 30 recently

[slender turtle]

Is that what you said about the other hundred shovels?

[junior needle]

Flak is good

Replace the blessings and it's ok for now

[vale ledge]

I said that about the 275 shovel I somehow roled at level 30

I am immeasurably disappointed in Brunt for that shovel

[lilac eagle]

Whys man writing in 40pt font tho

[last parcel]

40pt font for 40k

[lilac eagle]

I hate the fact I did that unintentionally

[oblique totem]

You should have lied and said it was on purpose. I probably would have believed you.

[latent vessel]

change crit to carapace or flak?

[hexed cloak]

i forget that shotguns exist tbh

i almost never see anyone use them

[latent vessel]

trying to get the 90% aim achievement

[oblique totem]

Flak is more common

[hexed cloak]

i suppose shotgun could be used for accuracy penance

[latent vessel]

yeah got a knife for the ogryns i suppose

[oblique totem]

I used the shotgun to get it. Got it first try.

Frankly, having it be more deadly is kind of counter productive. You need to use all your ammo.

[hexed cloak]

i would probably say flak seeing as a shotgun likely does like next to nothing to carapace anyway

and it might make killing the annoying ass elites easier

but im not a vet player so take my words with a grain of salt

[lilac eagle]

What about the special shot for shotguns? Doesn't that do bonus damage to carapace?

[latent vessel]

this is the fire shotgun so probably not

[hexed cloak]

no clue

[latent vessel]

id assume the slug one does

[hexed cloak]

fire shotgun just sounds silly

[tall torrent]

Yes, but not enough to be reliable crusher killer

[oblique totem]

I hear the fire shotgun has infinite cleave so is good for hoards

Never tested it myself though

[tall torrent]

It compliments mixed horde scenarios but does not replace melee

[latent vessel]

tersting it the now as ive not used it before, the fire doesnt apply brittle from onslaught, but does stack if you shoot the special shot multiple times

[tall torrent]

Onslaught doesn’t stack from DOT anymore

[latent vessel]

sadge

[oblique totem]

Tragic

[lilac eagle]

I'm sorry, the what?

How long has that been in the game??

[oblique totem]

One of the shotgun models has a fire shot special attack.

[latent vessel]

sometime last year i believe

[lilac eagle]

I suppose that says how much people enjoy using shotguns

I ain't seen that shit at allllll lmao

[latent vessel]

is stacking the DoT any good against the minibosses or is it a waste of time?

considering i can 2 shot bulwarks i think the dot could be good against the minibosses

[tall torrent]

Wdym miniboss

[lilac eagle]

Beast of nurgle, chaos spawn, plague ogryns

The smaller, more frequent bosses

[tall torrent]

You mean weakened monstrosity in maelstrom missions?

[oblique totem]

We already get that right?

[tall torrent]

In what

[oblique totem]

The minibosses

[tall torrent]

Weakened monsters can only appear in maelstrom missions with monster specialist modifier

[oblique totem]

You know, monsters that mutate during the game and suddenly there's a warp spawn intelligent enemy placement what it that?

[tall torrent]

What are u talking about

[oblique totem]

Uhh. The weakened monstrosity thing?

Pretty sure it's the same thing you are talking about

[lilac eagle]

Nah I'm assuming he just means the regular versions in missions

I'd only call the uuuh

Assassination target and the twins actual bosses

Everything else is far too weak to be anything more than minibosses

[tall torrent]

Scab captains are the easiest boss in the game tho

[low yacht]

What do you think?

Man I cannot send my accatran

Shame.

[woeful junco]

wait is the adept assassin penance only really doable with single shot weapons?

[old quail]

yea

[low yacht]

I wonder if you could do it with the accatran?

[old quail]

i think you can cheese it a little with something that gets a lot of crit chance

[low yacht]

Recon Lasgun is my favorite weapon on Veteran other then Plasma.

[old quail]

but idk if it's any crit weakspot kill while weapon specialist is active or from the guaranteed crit you get

[woeful junco]

I wanted to use a raking fire columnus for low profile shenanigans while I do the penances for the whole right side of the tree

[elder fiber]

even if you can its gonna be so much easier with plasma or revolver

[low yacht]

The challenge is tempting

[old quail]

tbh if u grabbed deadshot/reciprocity and the minor crit node it wouldnt be terrible

[white minnow]

i wonder if melee critical weakspots count

[old quail]

just the guaranteed crit itself is 4 shots due to crit strings

[woeful junco]

i'm just gonna try it for one game and see what kind of progress i get

[tall torrent]

I think they do? I got pretty good progress when playing knife

[low yacht]

What is your opinion on Accatran Mark 7?

I love it so far but it's ammo hungry.

The auto lasgun.

I am running headhunter and infernus on my recon las.

And it hits like a truck ngl.

[wraith flare]

Mark 7, is that the one with 100dmg or so but slower fire rate?

[low yacht]

It's apparently considered the best recon lasgun.

[wraith flare]

Can’t remember the marks off the top of my head

The fast ones are trash, the slow one is a little less trash

[low yacht]

Accatran MK VIIa Recon Lasgun

They're not trash they are just very ammo hungry.

[wraith flare]

They’re also trash

[low yacht]

Well not really giving the recon lasgun any justice as I clear things with it relatively quickly.

[wraith flare]

Literally 0 reason to be used over almost any other option, outside of the slow firing one since that one does a decent bit of dmg

[low yacht]

The thing is 100 damage per second with a automatic gun is pretty good.

It's not a single shot gun.

[wraith flare]

Obviously, but at the same time don’t call the off meta bad weapons good

[low yacht]

And picking metas doesn't make you good at the game. It only gets you so far.

So metas are irrelevant in reality to actual skillful use of the tools you are given.

[wraith flare]

That wasn’t the conversations point at anytime

[tropic imp]

Recon 7, the one that fires the slowest, has it's uses, it's quite good

[wraith flare]

Yup, it’s definitely good enough to be used, just not that great when compared to the competition

[tropic imp]

Has really good dps into flak unyielding and unarmored, but trash maniac damage

[grand perch]

i love it when the butt bash actually comes in handy

[low yacht]

There is a reason why builds exist as the weapon is reliant on your build.

So is any weapon in the game.

[wraith flare]

They’re flat out weak vs the competition, simple as

And I actually do love using them, but I won’t huff copium and call them good

[low yacht]

Competition doesn't matter if someone gets their preferred use from it and clears enemies just fine.

It's not me coping perks and blessings matter more then the weapon itself.

Something might not fit your preference and or use but niches in weapons exist for a reason.

[wraith flare]

One of my fav builds uses the VId which is awful at everything so it’s not that I don’t like the guns, they just need a buff

[low yacht]

The damage is no problem they need a ammo buff at best.

As 100 damage per second with a automatic weapon is perfectly fine just it runs through ammo pretty fast.

[wraith flare]

And the blessings, u mentioned using infernus, are u actually gaining any benefit out of it vs using almost any other blessing? The targets that survive long enough to get stacks also don’t really take dmg from it

The others enemies die at the same time regardless of infernus especially if ur tapping the head

[low yacht]

Well yes it does apply just fine on the targets I am killing as using ammo on squishy enemies on any weapon is a waste.

In my experience it works to what I am looking for in a build I prefer supporting my team rather then being a full blown dps.

[wraith flare]

So u use it on elites specials etc, out of which almost every single one dies at the same time with or without infernus since it doesn’t have the time to actually deal it’s dmg before the enemy dies to ur actual shots

[low yacht]

Well thing is I run this gun on auric damnation so it does apply.

[wraith flare]

And the enemies there die just as quickly

The only place where I can see u getting benefit out of infernus is bosses

[low yacht]

Well yes that's the idea.

[wraith flare]

Other than that you’d be better off with almost any other blessing

Haven’t tried but I’d assume you’d deal more boss dmg and more vs anyone using dumdum vs infernus

[low yacht]

Infernus is overtime damage it isn't immediate but running stealth makes the gun really good. And especially with the ability to mark enemies.

Veteran is the only relevant class to run said gun as the psyker does better with autoguns.

[wraith flare]

And the problem is infernus dmg isn’t immediate, it makes the blessing practically worthless on all but one target in the game

Which isn’t even the issue on auric maelstrom’s

[low yacht]

Immediate damage isn't as important as you think.

Yes on certain targets probably but the thing about builds is that you aren't primarily using one ability the whole game and other things have to fill in weaknesses.

The point of fire damage isn't to kill your enemy outright but to suppress and weaken your targets. Keeping them suppressed and their heads down is more important. So you can move in on them.

You will kill them the pace doesn't matter more then the results.

[somber axle]

All weapons are viable in any difficulty depending on your skill level tbh

You can play any weapon you want if you're good enough

I don't have the time to go over the Recons tonight because I'm about to go to bed but like they're fine for Standard Damnation and Auric Damnation

[low yacht]

They serve their purpose so I think they are fine but they consume much ammo.

[somber axle]

if you've used a weapon and it wasn't performing, it means one of a few things:

1. The weapon doesn't fit your playstyle
2. You need more practice with the weapon
3. Your talent build did not synergize well with the weapon
4. Your weapon needed a better stat roll/perks/blessings

I've watched youtube vids of ChocoB on youtube running Auric Maelstrom with a Recon VId

everything is viable for someone good enough

[low yacht]

Synergies matter the most.

[somber axle]

play what you want and through practice you will be able to use it in any difficulty you want

some weapons require less effort and some require more effort to make work

all of them work

[low yacht]

There is a reason you have a class so you can make a play style around said weapon.

[somber axle]

anyway last thing

[low yacht]

You have modifiers for a reason so you could definitely make anything work for the most part.

[somber axle]

if you're a clown every weapon is within reach

[somber axle]

any weapon can do anything if you break it hard enough

[low yacht]

The headshots make the weapon work fine as any autogun.

[somber axle]

OH AND DISCLAIMER

[low yacht]

When I use the autogun and recon lasgun they feel about the same with time to kill.

[somber axle]

To do what you see in this Recon gif in real matches requires a lot more effort and a very specific build that hyperfocuses on offensive talents to the detriment of survivability requiring a lot more reliance on mobility, positioning, awareness and target priority to survive

[low yacht]

Or you could always run it with a support class.

I make my classes more able to support my team but survive on their own too.

[somber axle]

You will kill everything pretty well (except bosses) and have surprisingly good ammo econ with the Recon Mk VId but the build is very punishing for someone who isn't used to keeping shots lined up on heads, requires you to know melee fundamentals well (blocking, shoving, dodging, dodge slide tech, etc.) and kiting enemies effectively

It's easier to just run Plasma but if you're a clown you chase the funny like me

[low yacht]

It just requires consistent aim and being a good shot.

Headhunter on that gun is pretty good.

The critical hit bonus is always good and underrated in my opinion.

[last parcel]

gonna bring my recon to saw con

[terse idol]

Suppoort isn't like thee best

If you're talking about tougness share

You still want like something like glory hunterr

Something that recon doesn't have

[slate hawk]

Kobold speaks the truth

Or maybe I'm just too tired lmao

[somber axle]

I'm going to go to a 40k convention one day dressed up and carrying a Recon Mk VId and watch people lose their minds at me

[last parcel]

the guy in the crusher cosplay: 🫠

[slate hawk]

🥞

[last parcel]

mmm syrup

tree blood

[low yacht]

Trapper cosplay

Just to traumatize some people

[last parcel]

SOMEONE CALL FOR A WEB GUN EHUHEUEUEHUEU

[terse idol]

Sleep darn eeet

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/flanders-nighty-night-the-simpsons-goodnight-smother-gif-11548515

[slate hawk]

Me?

[terse idol]

yuuhhh

or well, you said you were tired

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/big-rubber-tire-kids-hit-gif-11862873

[slate hawk]

Gotta stay up for another 6 hours

[terse idol]

[low yacht]

The United States Army organizes its units into three general categories, which correspond to the role of the unit on the battlefield: combat arms (CA) (for example, infantry and armor), combat support (CS) (for example, communications and military police), and combat service support (CSS) (for example, supply and ...

Just a general example of support in a military.

[last parcel]

us army installed counter strike source

[terse idol]

Logistics takes alot of military stuff

Makes up the bulk of it all for sure

[low yacht]

Not just helping people directly but suppressing enemy targets.

Keeping your enemies heads down is usually the majority of engagements.

[terse idol]

Aww I thought you were talking logistical support

[low yacht]

Less then actual firing into a target.

Like supporting fire and those roles of people with guns.

That keep enemies suppressed rather then straight up firing into them.

[terse idol]

Well that's just being the squad machine gunner

[low yacht]

Suppressing targets is why I use recon lasgun the damage might not be the best but it has decent suppression.

Damage isn't everything in my opinion.

[terse idol]

I mean

oh no

Like yeah

But also

there are better guns to suppress in this game

That don't need you to like

I dunno, hamper yerself is what I'm saying

Again recon isn't

THAT bad

[slate hawk]

Such as working the night shift goes, gotta fix my schedule for tomorrow

[terse idol]

But the value of supression is... hard to measure, like yeah, it's valuable

Vet's get good smoke grenades now

[terse idol]

urgh, that suuucks

[blissful flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/519232215150755874/1236591203710013510/image.png?ex=663890cd&is=66373f4d&hm=9e76cd4d12b8ab50453ba7aa65d8439d65e5346c6df515e5ff4f868d1c8a3b1a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=470&height=702 this one might actually be alright

[last parcel]

missing 6 points

throw it in the shitter

[blissful flame]

i too, work a night shift, but at least my sleep schedule is stable

[low yacht]

Am I a masochist for running Catachan.

[solid gull]

the devil claw?

Running it right now

Parrying crusher overheads is a very smug feeling

[low yacht]

I also run stealth and hit things so hard with it.

[terse idol]

Dclaw is probably one of the better melee weapons

[woeful junco]

which is the least shitty recon again? 6 or 7?

[low yacht]

I run it with my Accatran.

7

I main 7 and it's the best out all the patterns.

[terse idol]

The middle child recon

[slate hawk]

It's alright, it's my irritated throat that sucks

[terse idol]

The worst one being

The one that isn't the fastest

[low yacht]

At least it isn't the red headed step child.

[terse idol]

And the one that isn't the slowest firing one

[low yacht]

It's not bad with stealth and running the extra ranged bonuses

But it's min-maxing the gun at best.

[terse idol]

Which... it might be the 2, I think the 6 and 7 are comprable

IF RECALL

[last parcel]

yes 2 is the dogshittest

[low yacht]

7 is usually referred to as the best one.

Out of the recon lasguns.

[terse idol]

Far as I remember, they're similar

but you miiight be right

[bitter turtle]

please dont tell me you are shooting into the air to suppress people with recon

[low yacht]

No

[bitter turtle]

gun is already bad enough

[low yacht]

That is a waste of ammo.

It's not bad

It's just niche

[bitter turtle]

7 is ok, but still basically worse than a lot of other guns

what is the niche

[woeful junco]

I'm thinking it might be handy for the marksman focus penance. Easy to aim at headheight, ammo efficiency with shock trooper and crit stuff, and it'll be something different for a change

[bitter turtle]

the marksman focus penance is best done crabwalking in melee

and if you dont wanna cheese it

i would say

[terse idol]

Oh right, I remember now what I was gonna say

[bitter turtle]

the suggestion made by a few like sneaky cat

lawbringer is probably best

[terse idol]

Taking supression for even a lasgun 1 shot will supress enemies

[bitter turtle]

you really dont want to be uh

shooting into hordes

with the recons

on purpose

unless you're playing on malice

meanwhile that's actually how you play lawbringer so

also melk just gave me this in shop

https://i.gyazo.com/84600c7ab69346309bf101f15552d0fe.png

[terse idol]

It's fiine if folks play Recon (I also tried to play recon gunsyker and felt pain)

[short sinew]

its beautiful 🥲

[bitter turtle]

yeah

except for the part where i already have one

truly desire sensor

i just want a goddamn bloodletter IV blessing

[last parcel]

time for dual wielding

give me two swords so i can scissor fools

[wraith flare]

[agile forge]

Recon is awful on psyker, doesn't really do what you want a gun to do

[terse idol]

mhmm

[agile forge]

I still love MF though, I'm happy to just get that through organic play

I really don't like the idea of cheesing penances like that and not trying to engage with the playstyle

But I like every keystone etc so I'm lucky I guess

[slate hawk]

We just need to hire a kobold to stare at the heretics, judging them

[cedar abyss]

Should I remove uncanny strike from the right and put it onto the left? (With mercy)

[junior needle]

On an objective numerical level, their numbers are very poor compared to other weapons and rely heavily on the talent tree to compensate

[bitter turtle]

you can

i think first target is a little better

than damage, in terms of stat priorities

ideally you want both though

[junior needle]

Their stagger and suppression values are also unimpressive

[bitter turtle]

if you do take the left one

i'd roll off maniac

it does nothing for knife

you could also just turn one into a flesh tearer mk6

[junior needle]

Flesh tearer on vet is a subpar choice however

[bitter turtle]

honestly

im not so sure about flesh tearer on mk6 anymore

if its good or not

path and I were talking about it after testing knife a lot

he ended up going back to mercy killer still

im still

not sure if its actually helping a lot or not

but if you remember going back when i tested all 2ndary blessings after uncanny

they dont really make a huge difference

just dont run lacerate :^)

[junior needle]

As long as you hit 50% crit you'll bleed as much as lacerate on average but

Vet doesn't have nearly as much on demand crit as zealot

And a lot of it is gated behind recip

Which is not as simple to stack as say, piety and scourge

[bitter turtle]

the problem isnt lacerate being bad for doing 4 stacks

the problem is telling you not to hiut weakpoints

on a knife

[junior needle]

I know

This is info for people who are like "WAOW DAMAGE OVER TIME I LOVE THAT"

[cedar abyss]

What should I replace it with, weakspot dmg?

[junior needle]

Never put weakspot or crit damage on your perks

Due to how it's calculated in this game

It only applies to the bonus damage and not the whole hit

So if you hit for 100, and weakspot hit/crit for 110, you do 111 damage instead with a 10% perk

[cedar abyss]

Oh wow, that sucks

But what should I replace maniac with? Elite?

I'll replace Flesh Tearer with Uncanny Strike

[agile forge]

Even in some of the best cases - like some weapons hit for over twice as much on a crit or ws

[cedar abyss]

I also have haymaker but that's bleh for this I think

[agile forge]

It's still at best like a 6% boost

[bitter turtle]

unyielding or cara or elite

[agile forge]

Like the combat blade is one of the best cases for weakspot or crit damage perks but they're still shit

[junior needle]

It depends. A common pickup is carapace. Unyielding gives you more boss and some ogryn damage but I don't value it that highly personally.

In theory unarmored or even infested could work if it adjusted breakpoints on chaffe, but it very much depends

The 6 probably doesn't need infested for pox one shots

Assuming you are using heavies

[cedar abyss]

Got it

I could also put precog IV on it but I;'m gonna just replace maniac for Elite

Thanks guys you are great 🫡

[bitter turtle]

precog isnt so much of an upgrade over mercy that i would accept maniac as a perk

it really does nothing

you already oneshot flamers and you are solidly in 2 shot territory for mutants

and unarmored is fine too

was in a game so i didnt have time to type

dreg shotgun/gunner/horde

perks on the knife are very loose and flexible tbh

just about nearly everything remotely decent helps on something

[cedar abyss]

Oh yeah I thought about this too

Though MKVI's heavy attack is nice for clearing unarmoreds I think - that's why I want to focus it on Elites

[rare echo]

how do you farm penance alone?

[trim hemlock]

You crab walk

[grizzled pebble]

Many more try mod.

[trim hemlock]

yeah, either MMT or launch a Maelstrom that's about to expire

MMT makes booting it up much easier, though

[rare echo]

true solo? I neard it disable penance

[grizzled pebble]

It's not offline. It's online with bots.

Tru solo is an entirely different mod.

[trim hemlock]

That's not how MMT works, though. MMT allows you to launch an expired maelstrom mission, ergo nobody will join it, because it's not on the mission board

because there's no quick play matchmaking for Maelstrom

[rare echo]

I see let me do a research real quick

[wise granite]

is a level 30 version of this weapon viable? its so stable and nice

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, Graia is a solid Infantry autogun

probably the "weakest" of the bunch, but far from unusable

[wise granite]

weakest how so?

[trim hemlock]

It suffers from the middle-child syndrome

[wise granite]

o

[trim hemlock]

i.e., it doesn't hit as hard as Agripinaa one, and doesn't shoot as fast/much as the Columnus one

it's the middle ground

which doesn't really excel at anything in particular

[wise granite]

so its the balanced jack of trades gun?

[trim hemlock]

One could say that, yeah

[balmy flume]

Well shit.
Trapper nets can shoot through crushers and bulwarks.
Got downed because of that…and I could not see trapper behind

[solid gull]

I don't trust anything but an absolute solid wall when I hear a trapper net

[civic knot]

Buy in case buff?

[grand perch]

not even 360 base stats? pass for me

[stuck geode]

any tips for the "adept assassin" penance? or is it just one of the annoying ones

[balmy flume]

Always remember to switch weapons often is all I have.
Weakspots, as much headshots as possible but don’t be too annoyed.
Takes a bit of time to grind but you will get it eventually

[solid gull]

This the critical weakspot kills penance?

[hardy ember]

Yeah it is. Gonna take a while for you to get that one done

[pallid dew]

Should I cop the helmet?

Something light for killing xenos

I ended up buying it

[manic cloak]

Since it's based off of number of crits on weakspots, go with the Mk VI Combat Dagger and CIAG. High rate of attack/fire for both, good innate crit bonuses, and also swap very quickly. This will have you accomplish it in far less rounds than taking just any loadout.

The CIAG requires multiple headshot hits (which will garner multiple crits) to land a kill, which is far more efficient than one-shot weapons such as the revolver or plasma. Same can be said of the dagger lights thrown into hordes.

Set a mental timer of 10 seconds using the dagger. Once the countdown is done, dodge out, switch to CIAG, land weak spot kills onto 1-2 specialist/elites, swap to dagger, rinse/repeat.

[pallid dew]

oh veery nice

[tidal scroll]

Hopping back into the game after a long break. Seen quite a few updates. What are the go to builds for Vet now?

[manic cloak]

Too many to list at the moment, and quite a few meta weapons out there that are good through Auric Maelstrom. Voice of Command is always a good pick, Survivalist got nerfed but is still the best of three auras in most group compositions, and the keystones are arguably not worth taking in 95% of builds, with the exception of Weapons Specialist.

[tidal scroll]

Is there a good resource to check trees?

[stuck bridge]

Games lantern

[manic cloak]

Games Lantern is the go to. Also some suggested builds there - be sure to check how recent the build was updated though. Some are still top rated and 5+ months old.

[junior needle]

Correction, gameslantern is a good resource to build trees. But anyone can publish a build and they vary considerably in quality.

People who make them tend to exaggerate how good they are and they're often not well optimized.

[pallid dew]

Rule of cool

[manic cloak]

I love me some perk choices on weapons that supposedly offer "breakpoints" but also don't vary or pair with the passives taken in the talent tree.

[junior needle]

If you see any guide recommend crit/weakspot damage perks and lacerate on a knife, they're not to be trusted

[junior needle]

In fairness breakpoints also depend on stats too and it's very hard to account for everything. A truly well made guide will account for everything however.

[manic cloak]

That's my point. Most copy over recommended perks from other sources and builds, and don't adjust. Yet sell them as the meta for the build, which causes all kinds of issues when initially gearing character.

[junior needle]

Too hard, would rather get internet points with clickbait and exaggeration

And "just trust me"

[tidal scroll]

On Games lantern one of the top builds is the VId recon las for double rend free ammo. I remember this was nerfed a long time ago and was dropped by most. Is it back?

[junior needle]

No

Well technically you can still do it

But it's nowhere near as good as it once was

Especially with how powerful other weapon options are now

[manic cloak]

Any build that has a Recon Las and says "optimized" or "meta" isn't valid, lol.

[junior needle]

Technically you could optimize a build for it, but taking the build won't be "optimal"

[hearty panther]

You can optimize it. Meta, nah.

[manic cloak]

Yes, that's a better way to state it.

[hearty panther]

Still a very fun gun

[tidal scroll]

Which are optimal? As Games Lantern has a lot of builds that haven't been updated in a long time but are still the most highly rated

[manic cloak]

Yep, still a lot of fun to use, and fine all the way up to Damnation. Wouldn't take it into an Auric though so my teammates wouldn't judge.

[junior needle]

Recons are very numerically undertuned and rely substantially on talent tree handholding to reach anything that could be considered acceptable performance.

Unless you have low standards and only use them for shooters

[hearty panther]

You can run pretty much anything you want in this game. The player is the biggest limiting factor in every build.

[junior needle]

Ciag is technically the highest dps automatic

Plasma is technically the best single shot still

[hearty panther]

If you know X has Y weakness, you take a weapon to alleviate the issue

[manic cloak]

While this is true, an effective weapon pairing and talent build is not a negligible percentage equating to consistent success in the harder tiers of auric.

[junior needle]

But most* weapons perform well enough

So pick something you think you'd like and then you can ask about it here

You will get a rundown

There's also a guide in the pins which is fairly good

Some weapons (like the columnus brauto) just have no redeeming qualities and are objectively the worst choice you could make

[hearty panther]

Not negligible but I've seen way too many 'le meta' runners over the years who just plain suck to know that nothing solves bad play

[tidal scroll]

I think last time I was running the Columnus Mk V Infantry Autogun

[junior needle]

It's extremely good

Highest dps automatic in the game

Still has yet to be nerfed

[stuck geode]

CIAG is the columnus infantry autogun right?

[junior needle]

yes

Also note that the ciag still has top tier bodyshot dps

Despite also having insane finesse dps

[manic cloak]

I'm so sick of using this gun.

Stopped today after I finally got 60/60 for veteran penances. Needed it for a bunch of them to get done quickly.

[junior needle]

I'm not even playing the game until there's some new gameplay element sufficient to catch my interest again

[manic cloak]

Trying out Rashad Mk II with Boltgun and actually enjoying it quite a bit in Aurics

[junior needle]

Rashad is a top tier melee, I would hope you enjoy it

Needs a bit of attack speed to feel better to use though

[manic cloak]

Haven't dipped into it yet, but got a great roll on one today.

[manic cloak]

Yeah I went down to get the 10% melee speed and it feels just fine.

[north pebble]

how will i build this? im running it with focus target

[coral bloom]

I have a similar one.
Quite like efficiency for making magazines last longer + the ammo sustain.
I would swap stamina into flak and either upgrade the maniac to 25 or salvo to tier 4 if you have it. Or stamina into weakspot damage.

But I mainly use my las to pick off specials and ranged threats as necessary, not for constant spam.
If you spam it efficiency blessing loses value.

[north pebble]

how about deadly accurate t4?

[coral bloom]

Probably good if you are running crit.
I have no idea how it breakpoints with that tbh, couldn't tell you.

[north pebble]

i'll try replacing stamina for flak, then leave the blessing for now because i don't have t4 opening salvo, i could try headhunter though

[tall torrent]

This is basically bricked
Stopping power is low
No headhunter
No ghost
No deadly accurate

[ripe flint]

If firing single shots with Opening Salvo, does that mean each shot gets the power bonus?

[gray finch]

no

[grand perch]

yes, if you wait a little between each shot

[gray finch]

if you stop shooting for a short period of time it will apply

[radiant chasm]

Have to wait a time period for your recoil to reset, some guns are faster than others with this

[gray finch]

with lasgun you got it really fast if you arent scoping

[radiant chasm]

Iirc mk7hh salvo resets much faster than mk12 inflas

For example

[slender turtle]

If they brought the recon lasgun up to par again, I'd be all over it.

[civic knot]

Which one should I run for weapon specialist mk 7 chainaxe?

[radiant chasm]

Stam regen imo

[civic knot]

yeah im considerin that

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe doesnt use crits well and the finesse bonus is alright but i dont think you hit a breakpoint with it

You could test it if you are uncertain but stam regen is really nice

[civic knot]

it does give u a bit of attack speed if im not wrong?

also how do you check the finesse value of a weapon?

[radiant chasm]

No

Finesse mod on a weapon includes attack speed

[civic knot]

have you tested this?

[radiant chasm]

Finesse bonuses only increase crit and weakspot damage

[civic knot]

.

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[civic knot]

okay then noted

[radiant chasm]

Finesse bonuses from talents and blessings only apply the the crit and weakspot damage

[elder fiber]

They're different things, standard fatshark

[radiant chasm]

The finesse mod stat governs that and attack speed, weapons without a finesse stat have a fixed value

[tall torrent]

U could grab stam regen on left branch maybe

[elder fiber]

Idr for sure but crit on special might give crusher 1tap since they aren't running thrust

[tall torrent]

Next after superiority complex

[elder fiber]

But thats it for BPs lol

[civic knot]

u can look at the images i sent 😛

[radiant chasm]

I forgot exactly how you check but your “finesse” on a weapon with fixed finesse is just how much extra damage you do for crit/weakspot

[tall torrent]

Yea I’m saying if u rly want both u can take both

[civic knot]

Heres tree btw:

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe finesse is pretty avg

[radiant chasm]

Yea 10% is far from reliable

[civic knot]

dont need both imo

[radiant chasm]

And chainaxe has the base low crit chance

[civic knot]

plus I dont wanna sacrifice anything

btw before you tear me to shreds i dont run tactical awareness because its ridiculously OP

[radiant chasm]

Also agri shotty chaxe build

The templars are alright

🫡

[civic knot]

@radiant chasm If you couldnt go for tactical awareness. What would you change with the build? Ive got HP, stam and Toughness curios

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-enough-to-make-a-grown-man-cry-police-officer-make-a-man-cry-gif-15227532

[radiant chasm]

Oh im sorry im not a veteran expert im a chaxe expert

If you dont get help ill look into it after i eat breakfast

[civic knot]

no need but thx anyway :p

[tall torrent]

I thought it’s the same as others

[radiant chasm]

yes, the same low base, it does not have a bonus crit chance like say combat blade

[tall torrent]

Right

[atomic badge]

Could someone help me understand how to achieve "Be Methodical" penance? I've attempted with volley fire (only filled up the top of the skill tree) and with the upgraded version of it (executioners stance) with the 5s bonus to keep it active for every highlighted kill. I can't seem to get even one of the 5 penance. The Instructions say "On Heresy Threat or higher, keep Volley Fire active for over 20 seconds 5 times."

[grand perch]

cant really say if youre doing anything wrong, are you positive you keep the bonus active for 20 seconds and dont, like, switch to melee after 10 seconds?

[somber axle]

Grab the talent node that refreshes duration and then also grab the talent node that highlights all ranged enemies. Activate Executioner's Stance in a room full of enemy guns and you can chain refreshing the buff duration on killing non-elite shooters pretty easily. I'd recommend one of the Lasguns for this. The Mg1a would be a really good gun to do it with

[quick burrow]

lasgun build any tips> maybe swap in deadeye?

[somber axle]

I'd swap the points off Competitive Urge and Rending Strikes into Marksman and Focus Target tbh. Having a keystone is very worth imo even if you don't grab any of the additional nodes under it. Marksman will be a much better damage upgrade on demand whenever you use Voice of Command for the extra 20% power too. Rending Strikes isn't too worth unless you're using a Recon Lasgun honestly. For Helbores and Kantraels they don't really need the extra 10% rending for anything major afaik

Deadshot is really good but requires a lot of stamina management so if you want to try it you could ignore the point into Marksman and do that instead

It'll synergize better with Shock Trooper

But you'll have to watch your stam bar carefully and know when to hip-fire vs aim down sights because you don't get the crit bonus or sway reduction from Deadshot if your stam bar is empty

Otherwise I think your talent build is solid

[quick burrow]

il make those 2 changes thanks

this is kinda my generalist lasgun build but i assume would be best ran wit the mk4?

[somber axle]

You can kinda run that with any of the Lasguns tbh

It would work fine with all of the Helbores, the Kantraels and even the Recon Mk VIIa

I wouldn't recommend using it with the Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VId though

[quick burrow]

pistol 2 or nah

[somber axle]

The Mk XII, Mg1a, VI, both Laspistols and all the Helbores will all work fine with your talent set up

[quick burrow]

nice thats waht i was going for thanks

[somber axle]

You can use any lasgun (aside from the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VId) with that build and be 100% fine

[viscid sparrow]

bruh wdym? I use Rending Strikes on all vet builds because its just too good of a utility to be missing out on.

also, keystones from my experience are lacking unless you take at least one of the augment nodes...

there are a few other things I think are wrong with what you said, but idk you do you.

[somber axle]

It doesn't actually help with any breakpoints afaik unless you're hunting for very specific Crusher breakpoints with the Helbore or you're running a Recon Mk II/Recon Mk VId and using rending/brittleness stacking to turn them into anti-armour machines

It's not having any tangible effect on a Laspistol or a Kantrael lasrifle

[junior needle]

The mk2 recon is not justifiable as a pick currently if you have any other options

Lowest dps gun in the game on a baseline

[viscid sparrow]

BPs for how many shots needed to kill, exactly? also, I don't mean Rending Strikes is used only with guns, melee weapons make use of it too.

[somber axle]

Also even just basic Focus Target at 5 stacks gives a 25% damage bonus which is difficult to beat compared to any other node. An on demand 25% damage buff team wide to a target (even if you're spammy with pings you'll often get at LEAST 2-3 stacks on target. You're free to ignore Keystones on Vet but they are very useful

[somber axle]

Is there any breakpoint with your melee that the 10% rending helps?

[junior needle]

All recons are sus currently but that one is a definitely no go

[somber axle]

If your damage is RIGHT on the edge of a major breakpoint and you can't find the damage elsewhere then yeah grab 10% rending to nudge it over the bump into that breakpoint territory

otherwise it's not doing anything for you

just placebo effect

[somber axle]

This is very true too

[quick burrow]

any ideas on a build for this baby ?

[somber axle]

All of the Lasguns sorta have their place but beware the Recons if you are a new player because they're not as ok as they may seem even if they're my Clown's Choice Award pick for the year. My fav gun in the game is the Recon Mk VId but it's not something most would enjoy for performance, effort, etc.

[junior needle]

Replace ff with dumdum btw

[somber axle]

If you're deadset on using a Recon try the Recon Mk VIIa

it's passable

[quick burrow]

can do

[junior needle]

It works like zealots anoint in blood

and so is much better than it seems at a glance

Apart from that you can essentially take whatever you want with that weapon.

[viscid sparrow]

ok but counterpoint: Columnus IAG is very good with bonus rending, and I am unable to use the "Stand still to gain Rending at max stacks" left side keystone because it makes me too vulnerable...

[junior needle]

Most go voc because voc

So the interesting thing about the ciag damage falloff is that the values are actually very high at closer ranges

Flak is like 95%

[somber axle]

It's entirely unnecessary on the CIAG tbh. It's already THE best weapon in the game and you can comfortably kill anything up to and including Crushers with it by just aiming heads

[junior needle]

And the rest are very positive

[somber axle]

The 10% rending probably helps on Crushers if you're looking specifically at them

Anything else and the 10% rending is probably having very marginal change on TTK

[junior needle]

So the benefit of rending mostly applies to flak at a bit longer ranges

And of course carapace

[quick burrow]

should i change anything on this?

[somber axle]

That looks fine to me tbh

Infernus and Dum Dum are the right blessings

[quick burrow]

low dmg sucks but its to perfect otherwise not to use theres no way il get something better

[somber axle]

Maniac is good (though you could also go Flak because trying to kill Maulers with bodyshots on a Laspistol will be painful)

[quick burrow]

ok im gonan try taht build out with this pistol wish me luck bois

[junior needle]

I'd say infernus is notably less value than ghost (with deadshot/dnd) for most targets

[quick burrow]

flak > maniac?

[viscid sparrow]

which happens to me a lot, because I don't like bodyshotting maulers with a gun while in melee range...

[junior needle]

Despite having good base crit, you tend to chunk things in only a few shots

[somber axle]

I think you're right in general but they're not running Deadshot or Duck and Dive so it's not applicable to their build tbh. Also I don't run Ghost as a rule because I'd rather have the extra damage and setting things on fire is fun. But like yeah it does have really really good synergy with those talents

[junior needle]

Laspistols are a different beast with infernus compared to recons

[somber axle]

Mk II has a fast enough fire rate and solid crit chance to justify infernus stacking

On a Mk X I'd say no Infernus

[junior needle]

The issue is not fire rate

[quick burrow]

ghost is a good talent?

i got this one im not sure what to do with

[junior needle]

It's that you blow up targets in very few shots, especially if you crit them

[somber axle]

Yes and no. The ranged damage immunity is something some people like a lot as a utility but I personally don't like it. I'd rather just dodge slide while shooting

[junior needle]

So you will rarely ever get max stacks unless you are dinky bodyshotting the thiccest of targets

[somber axle]

It has really good synergy with Duck and Dive for stamina regen that pairs really well with maintaining Stamina uptime for Deadshot

I wouldn't sacrifice Dum Dum for Ghost

[junior needle]

Ghost is very good, you can get essentially permanent uptime on immunity to ranged attacks if you can click heads

[somber axle]

and I also wouldn't personally sacrifice Reassuringly Accurate or Infernus for Ghost but that's a personal preference thing

[viscid sparrow]

tbh, I also use Onslaught on my CIAG build as well (mostly because someone suggested I should use it)

[somber axle]

I'd recommend trying Ghost

it's better than it seems

[junior needle]

I would sacrifice infernus for ghost 100% of the time

[somber axle]

and it has really good synergies

[quick burrow]

what would i change on the mk4 lasgun earlier if i wanted to keep ghost or is headhunter to important?

[junior needle]

You barely get any value out of it except on bosses with how few shots even the mk2 laspistol takes to kill

[junior needle]

Headhunter is the most important, then you can choose either deadly or ghost

[somber axle]

Yeah but I already dodge so I'm not getting any value out of Ghost by nature of being a breakdancing clown

Others could definitely benefit from Ghost though

[junior needle]

You don't, other people will

[late thicket]

was playing around with an infiltrator build as I am doing the smoke grenade penance, quite like it,
how would you make this better?

[junior needle]

No real need to take the coherency range talent if you aren't going shout

[hearty panther]

Ditch Charismatic, ditch Serrated, ditch Skirmisher

[somber axle]

unless you're using a Combat Knife with the extra damage on weakspot hit for bleeding enemies (I forgor the blessing name) you can probably skip serrated knife because the 1 stack per melee bleed isn't that important

[junior needle]

mercy killer

[somber axle]

yeah that's the one

[late thicket]

using power sword mk6 and melta

[somber axle]

Ok then yeah definitely get rid of Serrated

Power Swords don't need the tiny bleed at all

[late thicket]

what talents to get that would be value in this case?

[somber axle]

losing Serrated, Charismatic and Skirmisher gives you the points to reach into the bottom left

get weakspot damage +30%, the extra ammo node

both will help bunches

Precision Strikes is the weakspot one

I forgor the name of the ammo node but it's right under it

[quick burrow]

wat curios u guys think 2x toughnes 1 hp then toughness hp and maybe double gunner resist and a cdr?

[hearty panther]

do w/e you want tbh

except for wounds (but still do w/e you want)

[somber axle]

2 toughness and 1 hp is fine. That also seems ok to me on perk selection. I'd personally swap gunner resist for Sniper resist to help keep Toughness Damage Reduction high enough to stop the spillover effect from their shots but Gunner resist is ok too (just don't use more than 2 of resist effects on curios)

[late thicket]

alright!

[hearty panther]

I'd take those three points down the middle personally. Iron Will > Toughness Node > Bring Them Down

[somber axle]

3 curios with Sniper resist is going too much investment into just Sniper resist

2 curios with Sniper resist is enough

as an example

[somber axle]

that's also a really good recommendation

I just really like the extra ammo and weakspot nodes for Vet

very comfy for ranged play

[late thicket]

I think i might go for the extra toughness and guaranteed damage then i suppose

most things die very fast anyway

[hearty panther]

I'm super miffed that Shocktrooper requires Fully Loaded

I don't need extra ammo if I'm already bottomless ;_;

[somber axle]

LOL

Yeah it feels weird for Helbores

[hearty panther]

I'm almost always taking Precision Strikes but tbh, bring your weapon into the Psykhanium and see if it nets you any breakpoints first

Usually it does, but not always

[late thicket]

i have been rather melee heavy with this build, i barely ever run out of melta ammo

[quick burrow]

anything to change on this thing?

[hearty panther]

Wrath instead of Savage Sweep. That's about it.

[somber axle]

Then yeah definitely go down middle with it instead and grab Iron Will/Bring It Down

Melee focused playstyle will benefit a lot more from the extra toughness damage reduction

[last parcel]

sweep is fine on the IV

[junior needle]

Technically you only need wrath if you want to lightspam

Rampage/shred gives the best clear performance if you do the heavy combo

iirc

[somber axle]

Doesn't the IV do fine with Savage Sweep because the horde clear is Heavy into Heavy? So you're constantly benefiting from that vs the XIIIg which does Light attack spams for horde clear and needs Wrath

[quick burrow]

i could use this to but i think pistol is good for elite kills and i should prob have a horde clear melee

[somber axle]

Though also yeah Soldier 69 is right

Chainswords have that funny crit damage not falling off on cleave targets

So Shred will be better performance with Rampage

[hearty panther]

It's something I've said before. If you're mulching horde fodder then either works fine. But Wrath will work when you can't cleave three targets anymore, which is exactly when you'd want more cleave.

Especially when paired with Rampage which also wants you to hit three things to stay active.

Sometimes one Mauler in the pack is all it takes to totally fuck up your rhythm and Wrath takes care of that.

Or Rager, or whatever.

[somber axle]

fair points but if you whiff doesn't that reset Wrath stacks to 0?

[hearty panther]

Just don't miss 4Head

but also its very quick to build back up

[somber axle]

just play perfectly always

I know this playstyle well

it's how I survive on Recon LMFAO

[leaden hollow]

Well, rip HD2, looks like I'm here again

[viscid sparrow]

btw, I feel like FF and Deathspitter are pointless on CIAG, because when I try to use them, the duration ends just after reload animation is finished...

I have yet to roll a DumDum or Hit & Run for the first blessing on a CIAG that also has either flak or maniac rolled on the first perk, so I have never gotten a chance to get the perfect CIAG for my playstyle...

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is very, very good for the CIAG

Though also if you're feeling funny I'd recommend getting Stripped Down IV and use it in tandem with Duck and Dive

[terse idol]

Like to be fair not missing melee isn't thaat crazy

[somber axle]

you can literally sprint through entire crowds of gunners, shotgunners, snipers, reapers and non-elite shooters

and take no damage

and have permanent stamina regen

[north raptor]

so deadshot, the talent, is really powerful for "ranged weapon's alternate fire" -- but if i just have a lasgun and shoot it, does it not apply?

wtf is alternate fire?

[somber axle]

in the midst of a big horde it's not an issue but yeah whiffing a hit because the targets in your face went down from a squadmate striking first can be awful

[terse idol]

I mean ciag has very high damage to begin with so you'll be killing and gaining most of the stacks in your first volley anyways

[somber axle]

there's a penance for dodging Reaper shots

[junior needle]

The heavies on the 4 have more than enough cleave baseline to hit 3 scab bruisers

[somber axle]

I need to get a weapon with Stripped Down and just run around in front of a Reaper for a bit to unlock it

[junior needle]

And then you get extra from rampage as well

It's only if you want to light spam that you'd explicitly need wrath

[pallid dew]

new drip

Do you guys make all your characters short?

I've always preferred tall

[oblique horizon]

Vets should be tall to shoot over teammates

[pallid dew]

I always see short vets

short

[ebon umbra]

easier for the team to shoot over

we stay in the front boys

[white minnow]

aiming down sights, bracing

[pallid dew]

i finally did it

with this penace update actually doing my challenges now

[fresh saddle]

hi friends, i'm looking for some input on this plasma gun

is it worth keeping Shattering 4 and changing both perks, or should i swap to Blaze Away?

[junior needle]

Perks are the most important thing for plasma breakpoints

Shattering is functionally useless however

[fluid solstice]

I made my vet short bc I’m short.

[agile forge]

Unyielding is OK I think?

Not sure

[pallid dew]

I can't give advice on gun builds

[junior needle]

Depends on your build

[agile forge]

Might be wrong, it might not give a bp

[pallid dew]

I'm usually the one asking lolol

What's this breakpoints?

[agile forge]

Yeah

Holding dog atm

Hence abbvs

[fresh saddle]

hmmmm

[junior needle]

Gunners, various maniacs, and some flak targets are your primary concern

Gunners and flak targets are covered under elites

Taking focus target alleviates the breakpoint particulars substantially

[fresh saddle]

yup i have FT

[junior needle]

Blaze is not really worth giving up bodyshot breakpoints imo

[fresh saddle]

so change both perks?

• +10% vs Elites
• +25% vs Maniac ?

[junior needle]

It really, really depends on the particulars of your setup

You can use uh

What's the name of the mod

Loadout config to test changes before you actually apply them

[fresh saddle]

mmk i'll give it a shot

[junior needle]

Last I checked it's only available on the modding discord

[pallid dew]

got this as a drop not badd

this as a drop too

[junior needle]

That's a scuffer, rip brutal off it

[pallid dew]

Scuffeer?

[junior needle]

Rolled badly

Therefore scuffed

[pallid dew]

True scuffed

So I takee off brutal

Do I gamble it?

[tall torrent]

No, very low stat rolls

[junior needle]

Stop rolling pre30 weapons

[tall torrent]

Earn / sell all of them

[pallid dew]

idk what to do with this crafting

[junior needle]

Definitely not that

Save your resources for the GOOD rolls

Stats go up to 380, but the distribution is most important

[quick burrow]

carpace to flak no respite to headhunter?

[tall torrent]

[midnight totem]

I don't like helbores

[last parcel]

[wise granite]

what gun type best for armored enemy

[ebon umbra]

what is your docket situation

[split sapphire]

I have a new onslaught rending build, for my melee weapon i have chosen the Catachan MK IV devils claw sword for crowds and versatility. As for my ranged weapon i have the Vraks MK III Headhunter autogun, with headhunter and deadly accurate. I have implemented dead shot to up the odds of a critical chance, to make up for the increased stamina use, i have a buff to reduce stamina regen delay, 2 curios with increased stamina, and all 3 if them have stamina regen.

[timid otter]

Behold the negative ability

[tall torrent]

I really would not suggest onslaught for Vraks 3
Onslaught wants high firerate weapons and generally only works well for Columnus Mk5 and Recon Mk6d for shooting at crushers

[split sapphire]

So what? It works for me regardless

[hearty panther]

what's the rest of your tree like

cause yea onslaught doesnt do much for you sadly, it's strictly consecutive hits to one target and breaks if you hit two different dudes. so exploit weakness would do more for you pretty much always

and reciprocity would be an easy way to feed that

[tall torrent]

exploit weakness is melee only

[split sapphire]

Uh, yea that's true

[hearty panther]

ye but at least the sword would get some rending

vraks doesnt even really need it except for maniac damage

[tall torrent]

just go rending strikes

[hearty panther]

and ya

[tall torrent]

good enough for both DC sword and Vraks 3

[hearty panther]

depends on his tree

exploit is definitely accessible if he's already at onslaught

[tall torrent]

it is melee only

[split sapphire]

Oh wait, wrong reply

My b, i know it is

[stable socket]

possibly dumb question, but is there a way to reduce certain sound effect volumes? the "whoomph" of voice of command going off sounds disproportionately loud to me

[dusk jacinth]

chat doews anyone wanna play roblox with me

nvm

wrongf chat anyway

[muted gorge]

anyone got a good build for a lasgun (thats not the hellbore) for a guardsman type beat

[gray finch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9be57939-87fb-4a6f-a13e-126bd2cdbf86/lasgun-new-buildnerf-surv

[muted gorge]

mucho gracias

[low yacht]

I find it dumb they nerfed accatran recon lasgun still.

[thorn pawn]

I play pretty much exclusively auric damnation, my preference is hintstg, can run most builds on all four classes in these games successfully provided I'm with a solid team, I'm not really good enough to punch much over my weight. However, I cannot for the life of me get a lasgun Marksman's focus build to work in auric damnation, any suggestions for a build to test?

[low yacht]

What lasgun are you using?

As people for those builds prefer lucius

To what I remember.

[thorn pawn]

Yeah I'm trying to use the kantraels

Lucius builds I have working

But I'm not using marksmans focus there tbf

[low yacht]

Now I wish Accatran was buffed as they nerfed it for no good reason.

There was no good reason whatsoever

[radiant chasm]

likely answer, it's doomed to be a newb weapon since it has no skill ceiling and is obnoxious whenever it is good

just degen gameplay, i remember patch 13 vets running up and pointblanking crushers with recon

inflas mk4 is basically a recon in fire rate but it does real damage

[low yacht]

And now it sucks is what I keep hearing.

[radiant chasm]

it's sucked since launch imo

[low yacht]

But I am too stubborn to play metas and prefer player agency instead of what people tell me.

[radiant chasm]

that's just being contrarian after a certain point

there is plenty of off meta options outside of recon

mk4 inflas certainly isn't meta

[midnight totem]

I've done well with recons in high int damnation

But that's not to say the weapon is viable

[radiant chasm]

it's not impossible to use

you can clear damn in pre buff grey chaxe