veteran-class

[hollow ibex]

i'd just replace perks with cara and elite

[bitter turtle]

i dont like playing rashad without aspd personally

weapon specialist 'plasma is perfectly fine if you wanna do it

[oblique totem]

Whatever's fun followed by whatever works

[hollow ibex]

wtf

just completed an auric maelstrom

no death, didn't progress ASS penance

[sturdy schooner]

sometimes

if you join midway

instead of being there from start

it wont count :/

[hollow ibex]

fuck

i joined like halfway

bruh

[sturdy schooner]

itll count for other aurics and whatnot but not that one specifically

yeah

[hollow ibex]

also does anyone know if heresy maelstroms count towards it lol

or just damnation?

oh wait there's only damnation maelstrom nvm

[split sapphire]

Damnation Auric maelstroms count, tho the exalted one i believe is 10 Auric missions in a row without dying

[gray finch]

ye i did like 13 auric mealstroms to get mine in a row

[inland burrow]

cool thanks for the replies guys, ill try it out with the right side

[tall torrent]

Black color is better imo

[oblique totem]

Really wish we had the ability to swap color palletes on our clothes instead of having to get a completely different outfit

[hollow ibex]

wow

first the shader issue, now the servers are absolutely fucked

this game is literally unplayable

had to leave the match halfway through what was otherwise a very smooth maestrom run

fucking piece of shit game

oh wait

servers are back to normal now that i can't reconnect to my prior match

really cool

[proud marsh]

ok im a psyker, but I came across this vet

is this a vet thing I'm not understanding

[hollow ibex]

no, psyker can also run really bad recon lasgun rolls should they so wish

not a vet thing at all

[last parcel]

[oblique totem]

Everyone can have a bad time

[pseudo fiber]

This one's a bit

That guy

Remember the traitor subplot. It's that guy actualyl

[split sapphire]

In my honest opinion the recon lasgun, is better off with like deathsplitter and dum dum. Or headhunter and infernus

[hollow ibex]

i noticed a hidden effect of pox gas that doesn't seem to be documented in the patchnotes

it seems to render pubbie players completely braindead

what an interesting phenomenon

fight the pogryn in open ground with no gas vents?

nah rather fight it in a narrow hallway covered by gas

[tiny summit]

Doing it for the funny

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-clowncar-darcy-lewis-kat-dennings-gif-20450962

[somber axle]

DID SOMEONE SAY CLOWN??

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-ready-or-not-game-gif-26255250

[green swan]

How should I go about rerolling/re-blessing this? Doesn't look like I can get the image link to work 🙄
https://imgur.com/E1Oq8nT

Mk VI Power Sword
8% Damage to specilists
8% Weakspot damage

IV Rampage
IV Power Cycler

[bitter turtle]

probably rampage to bromentum and wesakspot damage to carapace/unyielding/maniac, take your pick

[green swan]

Thanks

[tiny summit]

Damn new bug. Can't even play with the loadout I want

[oblique totem]

I can summon Pomni. Who I know isn't Pomni but clown hijinks is my only interaction thus far

[last parcel]

with great clowness comes great silliness

[oblique totem]

Honk honk

3 penances left for vet.

[topaz lance]

The krak penance is horrible

I hate kraks

[naive niche]

Is survivalist still the best aura or is it not best in slot

[gaunt hinge]

its bis if you enjoy having bullets in your gun

[grand perch]

be like ogryn, slap them with your gun. dont need bullets to do that

[agile forge]

It's still good but it's not so good that you have to entirely warp your build to fit it in.

The other auras are relatively unimpactful anyway

[vague smelt]

Veteran itself is unimpactful

[oblique totem]

Ammo aura has the most noticeable results.

[balmy flume]

On a slightly more meme note, given how Lasguns are said to be as sturdy as AK47s, we really need the ability to use the Lasgun as a club close combat weapon…

[gray finch]

give veteran lasguns a bayonet to replace flashlight

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo met big hat man. He gave Ulgo a medal. Imperial guard nice

[brave bear]

I'd like to hear you say that when I res the whole team with one shout and clear an entire horde with my power sword and frag nades

[dreamy scaffold]

id say vet is a pretty versatile class considering whats possible with it builds wise, i dont really know what the other classes are also capable of but vet to me seems on top with most engagements

[balmy flume]

I will say that my last Auric Maelstrom deathless penance run mission was completed in a team of 4 Vets.

Vets are truly versatile, tool of all trades kind.

Also having 2 VoCs means you can almost cheese deathless runs if you are competent players.

(You still have to watch out for ambushing burster trains)

[slow spade]

Vet is literally the best class

It has the most ammo

No further consideration needed 💅

[umbral scaffold]

only class that scratches my dopamine hits

love executioners stance popping specials and shooters

neuron activation

[odd sparrow]

Full vet is genuinely amazing with atleast 2 VoC and the immense firepower to kill anything at any range. only problem is bosses which might still take a little effort

[oblique totem]

Glad to see someone else gets it

[hardy ember]

Yes. But much needed new weapons would be appreciated

[short wigeon]

A hot shot las wouldn’t go unappreciated winkwink

[hardy ember]

One can hope. But then again hope is the first step to disappointment

[short wigeon]

Emperor knows I’ve killed enough gunners to salvage at least one of their weapons

[hardy ember]

Hot shot lasguns, melts guns. A las pistol chainsword combo.

[oblique totem]

I would like a heavy stubber.

[hardy ember]

The portrait on the marksman side of the tree literally has a guy with. Heavy stubber

[regal smelt]

I still remember when melta guns were going to be a thing right after launch

[pseudo fiber]

Machine spirit in those is fucked can't use it.

[hardy ember]

When hestia was added in the game within the short story introducing her. Someone jokes about bringing hellguns to tertium

[short wigeon]

There’s a few lines in game referring to hotshots/hellguns and the teasing is starting to wear on me.

[pseudo fiber]

Zola asks if she brought a crate of hellguns with her.
When Hestia replies no Zola mutters that she's useless lmao

[short wigeon]

I’ve basically jurry rigged my recon las into a budget hotshot

[oblique totem]

Fat shark, hear me. My people are suffering.

[hardy ember]

Faith is strong. But having a loaded lasguns is stronger

They need to buff the recon lasguns. I love lasguns but plasma/ auto guns are just stronger

[agile forge]

Imo make the recon lasgun regenerate ammo in its current mag

[brisk umbra]

What's up with the insane stutter after the hotfix?

[slow spade]

The veil between the warp and reality is thin

Or Fatshark fucked up

[analog mural]

It's the game rebuilding your shader cache, should resolve itself after a couple games.

[brisk umbra]

... fucking hell, again?

[analog mural]

Yep

[slow spade]

Oh right I need to delete mine again

[pseudo fiber]

Not great but 550 which is kind

[oblique totem]

Updating my graphics driver and going through each map once seemed to fix the problem

[idle swallow]

no goofy manstopper/scattershot potential 😡

[pseudo fiber]

I can keep searching I got a few green mk 6's in my inventory

[somber axle]

Ohmygosh the shader thing is why it is stuttering?? I was going insane trying to figure out how to fix it

Literally unplayable with how bad the stuttering gets sometimes

[hollow ibex]

yup

[somber axle]

Guess I just have to stutter my way through the maps until the shader cache figures itself out

[balmy flume]

I am guessing there are at least the following to be released at some point, given how all weapons are given 3 variants…

• 1 more Power Sword variant
• 2 more Autopistol variant
• 1 more Revolver variant
• 2 more Plasma gun variants
  -MAYBE 2 more Boltgun variants. But definitely 1 more (note that even docket skin Boltgun has a different skin; it has a straight mag, not a curved mag)

[somber axle]

Pain

[hollow ibex]

could try going into Warhammer 40,000 DARKTIDE\shader_cache and running darktide_shader_cache_builder.exe

i have no idea if it actually helps

but stuttering went away for me

[somber axle]

What could they do for Autopistol variants? Maybe a burst fire version like the Vraks III?

[oblique totem]

My people are suffering

[iron marten]

Need a bolt pistol to complete my commissar

[hardy ember]

We don’t need more variants. We need new weapon TYPES

[somber axle]

Thank you I will screenshot this and try to remember it for after I get home from work today

[oblique totem]

How about a version with the barrel pointed at the user, to ease the suffering of anyone trying to use an auto pistol.

[hollow ibex]

yeh lmk if it helps

[somber axle]

Bolt Pistol, Longlas and Meltagun are all things I yearn for on Vet. I want a two handed chainaxe Mauler style for Zealot

[balmy flume]

Types work too, waiting for that Meltagun, as other said a Bolt Pistol, and heck whilst we are at it, a Plasma Pistol or even Inferno Pistol (Meltagun as pistol) would all be nice

[hollow ibex]

idk if it even does anything tbh, but takes like five seconds

[hardy ember]

Just need hellguns for veteran is what I want

[somber axle]

Maybe a Borderlands 2 version where on clip empty instead of reloading you throw the empty gun at an enemy to explode. Maybe it doesn't even need to explode to be better damage than the normal shots LOL

[balmy flume]

A Bolt/Plasma pistol on a VoC vet is literally a Tabeltop Guard sergeant made manifest.

Since you typically always upgrade away from the Laspistol

[oblique totem]

I loved those guns

[somber axle]

Same

I never played Borderlands 3 but it is on my list of things to try

[oblique totem]

Monke strats

[somber axle]

Just not very high priority because Handsome Jack was a very good villain

And he's sorta gone

The new gun effects for 3 makes me want to see it though

[balmy flume]

There are several variants of Autopistols in Dark Heresy or, failing that, really niche pistols in Dark Heresy that can be “folded” into Autopistol via special/secondary attack functions.

For example, Dark Heresy has a shotgun pistol…

[iron marten]

I just hope the crafting rework comes with, even if a little bit, of content

rather than just a crafting rework

I'm literally doing runs where I use the Helbore as my melee only option just to challenge myself

[somber axle]

Shotgun pistol sounds funny

[balmy flume]

Agreed, using materials to max out stats should be a thing. Even Division 2 got that right.

[somber axle]

We do need an automatic Shotgun in this game

[oblique totem]

You poor soul

[balmy flume]

Actually the Foehammer (that is the pattern) could be the hidden third revolver.

[somber axle]

I mean Helbore Mk II and Helbore Mk I bayonet is solid enough to do that challenge tbh

[iron marten]

yeah, MK I and II helbore melee is stupid good

[somber axle]

If you're attempting melee only Helbore Mk III that's true masochist tier

[iron marten]

yeah I'm not that masochistic

[oblique totem]

Borderlands did the same thing Far cry 3 did: killed off the most interesting character by far and had the audacity to keep going.

[somber axle]

Ok but like Gus Fring as a villain in the new Far Cry is actually surprisingly good

Idk the actor's name off of the top of my head, I only recognize his voice/likeness from Breaking Bad

[tame lodge]

3 times, from FC3 to 6

[oblique totem]

Ah, well. I wish there were other bayonet guns

Or maybe the option to swap attachments

[iron marten]

I just wish the Mk3 Bayonet was good, I like hard hitting guns

[oblique totem]

Shouldn't all guns be hard hitting?

[somber axle]

Mk III bayonet is too slow and the little bit of cleave on hit isn't enough to make up for how awful it feels imo

[balmy flume]

If only Ubi didn’t try the weird ARG route of emailing you to taunt you to finish the game…
I find that sort of thing annoying :/

[somber axle]

Mk I and Mk II bayonet are just too precise, hard hitting and fast. They feel really good and idk there's even a way to fix the Mk III bayonet swing to make it feel as good as the Mk I and Mk II bayonet thrust

[oblique totem]

Bold strategy.

[iron marten]

they all do, ye, but idk, I like seeing even bigger damage number on shoot

the consequences of being a strength gamer in dark souls

[tame lodge]

They don't hit like the mk3

[oblique totem]

Completely fair. Big number make brain happy

[somber axle]

Have you heard the word of Mk II Helbore achieving 2HKO status on Crushers with very little investment necessary? Or 1HKO Crusher kill if you decide to be extra silly?

[tame lodge]

Yes

[iron marten]

huh, I could do it with 5-7. I assume you use Exe stance with the Ogryn highlight?

[oblique totem]

I got a 2hko on a crusher with a reved chainsword

[iron marten]

and take rending nodes?

[somber axle]

It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. The Jedi will tell you Maniac/Unarmoured perks on your Mk II Helbore and leave it at that for both the 1 tap Dreg Gunner breakpoint and the 1 tap Flamer breakpoint

[oblique totem]

Not sure if that's impressive or not but I was happy

[somber axle]

ALLOW ME TO SHOW MY SILLINESS

One moment

[balmy flume]

Yea I have nothing against the game (and I also confess to not have bought it) but hearing the game does that just…annoys me on a conceptual level.

[oblique totem]

I agree I would delete the game on the spot if I got that email

Far cry is far too mediocre to have such an attitude

[iron marten]

reminds me of the days of Black Ops where Treyarch would send you an e-mail as to why you should prestige if you haven't done so for around 2 weeks

[somber axle]

Follow this message and prepare for a wild ride of CLOWN SCIENCE because a few days ago I went into the Psykanium and experimented in weird ways to make the Mk II Helbore a Crusher hunting machine

Complete with talent build screenshots, recorded video clips and pictures of my Helbore Mk II for damage/stopping power/perks

[oblique totem]

We are entering clown territory, boys.

[iron marten]

damn

[balmy flume]

And the worst of all, this sort of emailing behaviour isn’t even something you can laugh at (compared to, for example, the Cup Noodles product placement segment in one of the Final Fantasy games)

[somber axle]

You have alerted the horde Clown

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-losing-my-mind-losing-my-marbles-smg4-glitch-productions-gif-7170847602410935396

[iron marten]

this is super meme af

[balmy flume]

https://youtu.be/NNv2RHR62Rs?feature=shared

[somber axle]

There's a weird amount of info I put there tbh Ruben

[balmy flume]

Sorry had to be done.

[somber axle]

It's a lot of scrolling before you will see the 1HKO clip at the very end of my clown science session

[iron marten]

thank god for Australian law making it illegal for not allowing you to opt-out of these type of stuff

[somber axle]

Hey how did you find my Darktide music

[tame lodge]

Glad I'm not scared of clowns I guess

[somber axle]

In fairness to my clownery, I was coasting on 2 hours of sleep after working 4 pm to midnight one day and then starting work again at 8 am to 4 pm and did all this clown science after I got home from work post 4 pm my time

[oblique totem]

One day I will ask the clowns for their silly, cursed knowledge.

[somber axle]

I was on an unreasonable amount of caffeine and that science session was the result

[oblique totem]

Oh I know that feeling!

[austere pine]

anybody got a nice marksman's focus build for ciag?

[oblique totem]

Almost certainly.

[somber axle]

At some point I need to go back and continue experimenting with the Mk II Helbore to test various Focus Target stacks against the 2HKO breakpoint to chart it out in excel

And also test Infiltrate's talent node that gives +30% damage as another option for hitting the breakpoint

[woeful ibex]

you guys think we get something for Skulls for the Skull Thrones Event?

[balmy flume]

Wait what’s this event?

[woeful ibex]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/17/skulls-2023-returns-next-week-with-rahul-kohli-as-host/
40K Gaming event like last year

No announcement yet for 2024

Its may 25 last year

[oblique totem]

Bloodpact cosmetics

[balmy flume]

Ah interesting…possibly a cosmetic code I would assume.

[oblique totem]

Please, fat shark

[woeful ibex]

Give us Kasrkins already

[balmy flume]

Instructions half clear, you get loyalist, pre corruption Blood Pact regiment unis

[oblique totem]

Also fine.

[woeful ibex]

Meltas, hellguns and Grenade Launchers I hope

pray for May 25

[balmy flume]

I wonder how broken a Grenade Launcher would be if the ammo generation for it is affected by Vet’s grenade nodes lol

[oblique totem]

Roleplaying a kasrkin squad would be sick

[balmy flume]

Self gen, team gen on specialist kill, chance to shoot an extra…

[woeful ibex]

its already nerfed due to 5 second delay

Possibly like 1-2 ammo only?

[austere pine]

ogryn with extra steps

what's a better dump stat here?

[gray finch]

i will dump stability

[tame lodge]

Stability

Stopping power is important

[austere pine]

higui how are you sitll not red again

[balmy flume]

I mean, even in the current form, if you do the Vet grenade nodes with a Grenade Launcher, you…

• regen 1 grenade per minute.
• possibly regen nades when your team kill specials.
• your GL could end up shooting extra nades.
• you will get nades from ammo boxes if you/a fellow Vet took that upgrade.
• possibly shoot an extra nade.
• upgrade nades for more damage and radius
  …

[tame lodge]

Still didn't ask to be red I guess

[austere pine]

GIGA brick

BROTHER WHAT IS THIS

not a single good roll

[woeful ibex]

ah right

[balmy flume]

Hadron roulette.

[woeful ibex]

Terrifying Barrage is useful for a Penance

[gray finch]

someone said the stripper down is ok

[austere pine]

if i have a chance at getting dumdum and deathspitter, i will not be going for a half-assed stripped down

[gray finch]

so change terrifying for dum dum and horde for flak or unyelding

[iron marten]

Stripped down isn’t bad

[gray finch]

its savable

[iron marten]

Ye

[woeful ibex]

I use that for the Gunner penance

thats it mostly

[woeful ibex]

Flak for me

Scabs are more dangerous than Dregs IMO

[oblique totem]

Well, they should be, right?
Scabs are traitor guard, right?

[gray finch]

dregs gunner have more hp then scab guner but no armore

[balmy flume]

Stalker Scabs are worst.
They basically have a Traitor and functioning version of a Recon Las :/

[austere pine]

why is marksman's focus so annoying...

[gray finch]

ye no one use it

[tame lodge]

You have to stack that's why

[austere pine]

one mission

[gray finch]

do the crab veteran

[austere pine]

doesn't sound too bad but like... this was a mission FILLED TO THE BRIM with chaff

[gray finch]

and kill with melee

[austere pine]

man crab vet is literally full trolling

[gray finch]

nah i did it like that

and was doing the most damage

[austere pine]

i wonder, though... is a more accurate infantry autogun, say, the agri, better suited?

[gray finch]

go with knife for mobilty

i dont think any weapon getting breakpoins with this keystone

[austere pine]

is this good or do i scrap for weight of fire?

i've also got surgical on another one that i could put here if this one's good

honestly doesn't sound too bad

[gray finch]

scrap it

you want the infernus 4

[austere pine]

do i really

[hearty panther]

no

[austere pine]

i really want to scrap this for dumdum 4 on my ciags

[gray finch]

what the issue here

?

[austere pine]

that it's got everything to a really good standard

and i want to use it

but i also know that my ciag will get better use out of a dumdum 4

what's "power" exactly?

[hearty panther]

damage, impact, cleave

[austere pine]

meaning deathspitter, even though it doesn't stack, has an edge over fire frenzy

[hearty panther]

deathspitter stacks, just doesnt say it

[austere pine]

agri IAG feels nice

chonky

[somber axle]

Scrap for Weight of Fire unless you don't have a Mk II Helbore

You need Unarmoured perk to meet the Dreg Gunner breakpoint and that perk is basically mandatory given how much better it makes clearing rooms of gunners

You also want Weight of Fire and Surgical

Infernus is bad for the Helbores imo

[agile forge]

A lot of the time I feel like I'd rather have AIAG over CIAG

[somber axle]

Other perk can be Maniac for the Flamer breakpoint or Crusher for better Crusher kills

[agile forge]

Like any time I have 2 ogryn on my team

[somber axle]

Mk II is so hard to build

But so worth

[agile forge]

Mark II is a better MG12

[somber axle]

Yes absolutely

Kantrael XII except with a really good bayonet strike, the ability to penetrate armour, better boss DPS and better crit rate through Surgical. Kantrael XII Headhunter just doesn't compare to how much more consistent crits are with Helbore Mk II Surgical imo

Only downside is slower swap speed and that's barely a downside

Bayonet can stagger and kill Ragers, one tap hound heads with a single stab and can thrust Muties down very fast

https://tenor.com/view/war-worldwarone-ww1-ww-i-soldier-gif-4724980

Very few times you even need to swap melee with a Mk II if you're really good with the bayonet

[austere pine]

is helbore 2 better than the 1? i thought i'd like it more because i like higher dmg/slower shooting speed for long range build more often than not

but if mk2 is better than the 1, i might just make the helbore i've shown better through scrapping surgical off of another one and putting it here

[somber axle]

Yes but only if you get a godroll Mk II. If you're missing the right perks, blessings and/or have a lower stat roll on Damage, Stopping Power or Charge Rate (sub 60 on any imo) then it's going to be worse than even a mediocre rolled Mk I

[austere pine]

so i'm scrapping both of my mk2s

good to know

[grand perch]

i think somethings wrong with my knife, but i cant quite put my finger on it

[somber axle]

Keep the Mk I because the Mk II requires the right stats, perks and blessings to be better

[austere pine]

pity on the charge rate on this one because it looks basically perfect apart from the charge rate

[somber axle]

Mk I is just way more forgiving to build because the higher damage is more forgiving on breakpoints

[austere pine]

i don't have mk1

i have 2 mk2s

one purple with surgical 3 and the golden one shown

[somber axle]

Mk III is also funny if you want a more consistent Crusher 1HKO

Much easier to do with the Mk III and not just for funny Psykanium shenanigans

Actually realistic to build a Mk III for Damnation+ matches for the 1HKO Crusher breakpoint

But the bayonet swing is awful compared to the Mk I and the Mk II so you feel the sting of the slow swap speed

With the Mk III you'll rely on your melee weapon a lot more because the bayonet swing is bad

[austere pine]

back to grinding marksman's penance

[tiny summit]

HB2 has the benefit of getting away w/o the charge speed blessing with good enough charge speed stat. Really more depends on your preference of shot pacing with the HB1 vs HB2

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II with Weight of Fire and good charge rate gets pretty funny in matches though

I remember saving a Psyker from a Daemonhost with my Mk II once by sheer DPS pumping shots into the Daemonhost face and squeezed out a kill just before the Psyker got their soul sucked out

[tiny summit]

It's still good. It's just that HBs don't exactly have the best blessing pool. It's just the 1 that can live w/o it

[somber axle]

Very true

Still doable without Weight of Fire if you have to choose between either Weight of Fire or Surgical

[agile forge]

I like shovel 7 for that reason, it does wide and it does Carapace very well

[austere pine]

what is this

r u insane brunt?

[somber axle]

That's actually a fantastic roll

[austere pine]

it can only get so much better honestly

the 8 bonus % matter absolutely nothing

[umbral scaffold]

How long the does the team highlight last on executioners stance?

Is it on as long as you maintain it?

Kinda want to run it for pubs because I would love for them to have more incentive to use their ranged weapons

[tame lodge]

5 secs

[umbral scaffold]

I fucking hate this world

Executioners stance do be needing a rework

Or just new talents

Then again

5 seconds is enough

[final stag]

It does refresh as long as you have exe stance up

[umbral scaffold]

And the ult is up a lot

Nvm

We are so back

[tame lodge]

Good news

[final stag]

Though it's hard considering everyone will be gunning for the highlights

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

[final stag]

I use it on tandem with smokes

[umbral scaffold]

How does that fare?

[final stag]

Well

[tame lodge]

They won't be gunning stalkers and shooters though, well...

[final stag]

Portable cover basically

[tame lodge]

They are on the opposite sides of the tree, so point taxing might hit hard

[final stag]

Very

[umbral scaffold]

Truth

[tame lodge]

Other than that it's playable

[final stag]

Fucking nice

[austere pine]

it was a combination of the zealot

[umbral scaffold]

I do be hating the point array of the tree

[wanton dawn]

Outplayed

[austere pine]

and somebody else

🙂

[final stag]

Doing deathless runs and my opponent is a barrel

[austere pine]

we lost shortly after a plague ogryn appeared and nobody but me could deal with either the horde or the ogryn

[tame lodge]

I guess they were practicing the awareness penance

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[austere pine]

on teammates, no less

happens to the best of us, really

[final stag]

Psyker start for a deathless run is horrendous

[final stag]

On scale

Ogryn>zealot>veteran>psyker

On deathless runs.

[idle swallow]

idk man voc spam psword/plasma vet is pretty damn unkillable in half decent hands

[umbral scaffold]

I think solid teamwork and class knowledge goes crazy for deathless runs

[final stag]

Deathless as level 1 to 30

[idle swallow]

ah ok

[umbral scaffold]

Obvious take I know

[final stag]

At highest difficulty possible for the level available

[umbral scaffold]

The true filter of a players skill is seeing what they do once a player is netted

[final stag]

Of course plasma/psword voc vet is near unkillable but you don't have that in the beginning

Only reason I rate vet over psyker is because vet gets a decent anti horde grenade at the get, psyker has awful starting equipment 💀

[agile forge]

Fun twist idea:

You must equip every Emperor's gift you receive

Immediately

[grand perch]

so hardcore challenge

[agile forge]

And keep it until you get another

[grand perch]

i put up a suggested rule set for hardcore deathless runs a while ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18l6ew7/hardcore_ironman_challenge_become_a_true_martyrer/

[final stag]

Already do that 😔

[agile forge]

To do otherwise is heretical.

[final stag]

I never knew that existed
I sorta made it upon myself for fun

Called it Ironman run and randomly roll for a archetype

[grand perch]

it is a lot of fun, especially if you can mobilise 4 guys for the whole thing

[final stag]

I could always choose ogryn
But why when I can roll and see what rngesus got me

[ocean idol]

Do smoke grenades have usage now

or are they still bad

[final stag]

They act as portable cover and can force shooters in melee so they're niche but better

[ocean idol]

What was buffed ab out them?

[somber axle]

Smokes are good for disrupting AI that has a lock on mechanic to strike. I've seen Pox Hounds literally run in circles and never pounce while the squad is in a smoke cloud letting them be free kills

I've heard it also messes with Mauler overheads, Flamers and Muties but I haven't seen smoke mess with them yet to verify it personally

Also yeah very food for creating safety from Gunners, Shotgunners, Reapers, Snipers, and Non-Elite Shooters

Forces a lot of ranged enemies into melee

[grand perch]

i had some pox flamers stand there and kick the smoke instead of trying to use their flamers

[somber axle]

That's hilarious LOL

I want to pair Smoke with Executioner's Stance and the node to give the team vision through smoke

[hollow ibex]

Wait it messes with maulers?

[somber axle]

See how quickplay pugs enjoy the vision through smoke on elites/specials

[hollow ibex]

Weird lol

[somber axle]

I've seen someone here say it did but I haven't tested it so take that info with a grain of salt

[hollow ibex]

Ig I should test smoke more on psych at some point

[grand perch]

i have a set for that specific purpose, also for vent purge + snipers aurics

[somber axle]

Smoke feels invaluable for those

[grand perch]

only annoying thing is people take your kills and its harder to keep exec up

[somber axle]

One day I'll finish the penances on the other classes and be able to enjoy my Vet again

[hollow ibex]

lol yeah anti synergy

[somber axle]

[ocean idol]

So what exact buffs did smokes have?

[serene bough]

they cause a minor stun and snipers can no longer fire through the smoke iirc

[final stag]

Well it isn't anti synergy
You chose the highlights and smoke to be a support for the team

And you're supporting.

[austere pine]

taking FOREVER

and for what

for 10 penance points

[umbral scaffold]

Damn

[terse idol]

that's pretty easwy

😌

[umbral scaffold]

Wish it had a cosmetic

[somber axle]

Extra funny running smoke grenades with Grenade Tinkerer for double duration smokes

[austere pine]

vape nation

[terse idol]

over time

[serene bough]

double duration is actually not that bad

[final stag]

What is it
30 seconds right

[somber axle]

15 sec normal duration, 30 sec duration with Tinkerer

[final stag]

God

[serene bough]

but then again, smokes are not that great in the first place

[somber axle]

Imagine this

[gray finch]

JUST GO WITH THE CRAB

[final stag]

Not terrible
Just niche now

[serene bough]

crab walk then plasma dump into hordes

[austere pine]

i'm not lowering myself to the plebian, for i am well above his stature. the way of the crab is the way of cowards.

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dancing-crab-party-rave-cool-moves-gif-15701153

[gray finch]

its the way of supreme dominant over opponents

[somber axle]

30 sec duration, 3 smoke grenades chained back to back and the 1 min nade regen talent lets you have a VERY LONG smoke cloud in place

1st nade: 30 sec (2 reserve)
2nd nade: 1 min (+1 nade, 2 reserve)
3rd nade: 1 min 30 (1 reserve)
4th nade: 2 min (+1 nade, 1 reserve)
5th nade: 2 min 30 sec (finally out of nades, with a new one available in another 30 sec)

You can almost have a full 3 minutes of uninterrupted smoke in one spot LMFAO

Compare that to Psyker shield duration

[serene bough]

2.5 minutes of vape nation or drop 2 shredders to empty an entire room

hmmmm

[austere pine]

in other news

i'm boutta have a completed veteran

[somber axle]

Empty a room of spread ranged enemies with 2 shredders?

If they're grouped sure

Shredders are fantastic for anti-horde and making space

[serene bough]

a spread out an entrenched room of gunners is definitely going to favor smokes more than shredders

[somber axle]

But if you can throw 2 back to back shredders and wipe an entire room of shooters then you got really lucky and caught them at a chokepoint

[serene bough]

however, one could argue you could prevent such a scenario by wiping the patrol before they take cover

[somber axle]

Shredders are better for taking out poxwalkers/groaners and all the melee elites mixed in with them like the ragers and maulers

[serene bough]

lots of variables, but in general shredders are more useful in more situations than smokes are

[somber axle]

But Smoke niche is anti-ranged and turning dogs, flamers, snipers and really any ranged enemy dumb

Different weapons for different purposes

[hollow ibex]

I think most people would agree frags are the most useful nade overall, but krak and smoke both have their purposes

[somber axle]

Generally disablers and melee elites are the run enders for pugs in Damnation+ in my experience so Shredder counters that better

But smokes are very, very good for their purpose

[serene bough]

they have a purpose, but their function is generally far less useful than 2 shredders

especially if you have a weapon with uncanny strikes, since that affects grenade damage

[somber axle]

Shredders are very funny and a good generalist Grenade to take

[umbral scaffold]

Does smoke block when you stand in it, or just enemies that are standing in it

[somber axle]

Like Voice of Command. Just always useful in every situation. Versatile. Safe

[serene bough]

both, it's essentialy a psyker dome

[somber axle]

But unlike Voice of Command I actually like Shredder Grenades

[somber axle]

Both

It blocks enemy line of sight in both cases

If you throw the smoke at enemies they will be forced out of the smoke and run to try to get new angles, stopping their fire and preventing any further fire from the direction of the smoke cloud

If you drop it at your feet ranged enemies will stop tracking you for shots and a lot of them will either try to close to melee range or they'll blind fire in one direction making their shots braindead to avoid

Snipers will cease fire entirely

Reapers will attempt to reposition

Shotgunners will close to melee

Hounds stop pouncing and just bark while standing still or running back and forth

Flamers refuse to light things on fire

[austere pine]

man i'd love it if my smokes also did that

[somber axle]

Smokes are very funny

[austere pine]

i kept getting fired at like 30% of the time i was getting my smoke penance

[somber axle]

Gunners and non-elite shooters will often continue to shoot depending on distance tbh

Tracking stops but the stream continues firing in that singular straight line

So if you don't move you still get shot unless it bugged out

[austere pine]

??????????? on my psyker though

why is brunt giving me the worst 380s

[midnight totem]

If smokes put out fires

Or had an upgrade with tinker that highlighted enemies through it

It'd be perfect

[somber axle]

I'd love if you could put out bomber fires or flamer fires with it

Could you imagine if it temporarily cleared an area of pox gas??

It'd be so good on the pox missions where the gas is EVERYWHERE

Plus fun counterplay against tox bombers if you see a crusher/mauler squad rolling up and decide it is better to drop the smoke to clear the pox gas than deal with pox buffed +40% move speed, +40% damage resist, +2.5× hit mass Crushers/Maulers

[last parcel]

set up a smoke tunnel to get through a room

[somber axle]

Devs please

I BEG

[midnight totem]

It'd be easy to justify too

Just say a priest blessed these smoke grenades

Or sprinkled a lil holy water on them

[austere pine]

what do i do with this?

i've got weight of fire 3 and surgical 3 on hand

[last parcel]

f 🤮 lter

[midnight totem]

It's borked

[austere pine]

falter -> surgical

reload speed to what

[midnight totem]

Unarmored

[austere pine]

kraks having homing will never not be funny to me

[somber axle]

Grenade Tinkerer for the Holy Smokes

[midnight totem]

Yeah! Increased duration on them is lame

[somber axle]

That's a painful set of perks and blessings. You absolutely need to get rid of Falter because it is a useless blessing. Grab Surgical instead. Reload speed is better than groaner/poxwalkers. Get Unarmoured perk. Unfortunate that it ended that way because the stat roll is beautiful but the perk/blessing roll is awful

[midnight totem]

Give them 15 second duration and give them a side benefit with tinker

[slow spade]

Combat stim smokes

[midnight totem]

My tech Adept class mockup can share stim effects with the team

Very useful

[somber axle]

Both the 7% reload and 10% groaner/poxwalker perks are some of the worst you can get but at least the reload speed helps slightly

[oblique totem]

Soon I shall return to the studious removal through violent means of religious apostates.

[umbral scaffold]

@somber axle does born leader grant toughness to allies if you're full toughness?

[midnight totem]

99 percent sure

[umbral scaffold]

fucking better

i was squinting at the replenishment

but i couldn't tell if they were outside of my coherency

[tall torrent]

Yes

[somber axle]

Numbers cat already answered but I am answering too just because I was pinged. It does yeah!

Very good for Medic builds focused around Plasma and Laspistol since both have blessings that help spread toughness regen to the team more efficiently than other weapons can

I think Plasma has better toughness regen but less ammo efficiency than Laspistol for Medic builds

There's a weird argument to be made for putting a point into Charismatic for quickplay pugs since a lot of people even in Damnation tend to stray out of Coherency range often and the extra radius helps maintain toughness regen to the squad easier

But only with Medic focused team toughness regen builds imo

[crude fiber]

So if something restores toughness but your at max born leader still procs? Cool.

[somber axle]

Otherwise it's not worth the point into Charismatic for the +50% coherency radius range

[somber axle]

Yeah! Used in combination with Voice of Command, Reassuringly Accurate on Laspistol, Confirmed Kill, Covering Fire and Exhilarating Takedown you can end up with a surprisingly effective teamwide toughness generator build

[crude fiber]

Follow up question, does the +50 toughness from VOC increase toughness restored by percentage based toughness restoration or does it still go off of your base toughness

[somber axle]

I want to experiment with talent points to see if I can spare the points to dabble in the new Marksman's Focus Tunnel Vision talent with Out For Blood

Taking both of those with my Medic build could make for some funny squad toughness regen

[umbral scaffold]

the tunnel focus goes hard

15 focus is annoying to stack up

but it makes the crit headshots easier to chain

[somber axle]

I currently use Weapon Specialist for the faster firing speed on ranged specialist to try to pump out more shots, more crits and more regen to the team via the attack speed

Probably better ammo economy-wise to swap into Marksman's Focus and Tunnel Vision especially after the update buffed the duration

[umbral scaffold]

how does the percentage on tunnel vision work with exhilarating takedown and reassuringly accurate

so 15 stacks is 75% increase in toughness replenishment

15% increased by 75% is 26.25%

200 toughness has 30 (15% ET) toughness regain into 52ish

my math is pretty dogshit

i should just download the mod where it makes the meat grinder better

[hearty panther]

it works as stated, really

[umbral scaffold]

i see

[hearty panther]

every instance of toughness you'd regen is boosted by x1.75

[umbral scaffold]

i see

[hearty panther]

200 toughness, confirmed kill gets you 10% back on the kill

it was 20, now it's 35

[umbral scaffold]

so how would the 20% over time part of confirmed kill function?

is that also increased by 75%

[hearty panther]

the same way, just in tiny pieces

[umbral scaffold]

ah

[hearty panther]

the game rounds numbers for you visually, but in the script, it's working on some # of decimals

[tall torrent]

Just take gloryhunter + born leader, u don’t need anything else

[sterile phoenix]

Getting really tired of being the only engineer on my team

[somber axle]

Glory Hunter is only on Elite Kill, yeah? And only for Boltgun/Plasma afaik. I use Laspistol so it's not an option and I prefer Reassuringly Accurate for the Critical Hit procs instead since it can apply to specials, non-elite shooters and even the odd scab or dreg bruiser I shoot just because I'm fine on ammo

[idle swallow]

shoulda brought more gun

[somber axle]

Glory Hunter is 30% toughness while Reassuringly Accurate is 16% so I stack more toughness talents to compensate

To clarify Reassuringly Accurate only restores toughness on a critical hit kill but this is much easier and more common to achieve. Elites are pretty common but being able to restore toughness on elites, specials and everything else feels better for general toughness squad regen

[serene bough]

good evening vet chat

what cool things are we discussing

[somber axle]

For Plasma or Boltgun Medic builds they no longer have the ammo econ to spray shots nearly as freely as a Laspistol rocking crit stacking and Shock Trooper

[somber axle]

Me, a clown, clarifying why I am experimenting with extra toughness talents on my Medic build that utilizes Laspistol and Reassuringly Accurate vs the Medic build that uses Plasma with Glory Hunter

[serene bough]

are you winning

[somber axle]

While at work when I should be doing my job

[last parcel]

that's a lot more thought than i put into it

i just chose laspistol because hehe funny smol gun

[serene bough]

im sitting in a meeting and im extremely bored

[somber axle]

I don't chat to win tbh, I chat to share fun info

[last parcel]

sounds like winning to me

[somber axle]

If I learn something I didn't know from someone else clarifying info, I am happy. If someone else learns something from me, I am also happy

[serene bough]

thats fair

share build

[somber axle]

I cannot sadly

Not for at least another hour

I am still at work and only have my phone until then

No games on work computer

No discord on work computer

LOL

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I should try a medic build at some point too

Could be fun

[serene bough]

ok ping me when you get home

[last parcel]

it is quite fun

[somber axle]

It's fun if you like focusing on support as a role

[serene bough]

i want build

[somber axle]

Will do

[serene bough]

i got another 30 min before i bolt out of work

im falling asleep

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sleep-gif-23970142

[somber axle]

I should go because I have a fair bit of work to do before I leave LOL

Be back in an hour maybe!

[last parcel]

[serene bough]

my productivity for today has been concluded just listening to someone drone on about stuff

[umbral scaffold]

I've been using your builds and they're wack

like

fun

very fun ways to play vet

[tall torrent]

Reassuringly accurate is fairly inconsistent

On mk10 I guess it’s ok but there’s rly no reason to not use dum dum + ghost for either laspistol

[somber axle]

Oh! Did you get a chance to try the Lawbringer Shotgun with Manstopper and Scattershot?

One of my favs LOL

[midnight totem]

Play a high level and there are elites everywhere

[somber axle]

I don't really like Ghost tbh. I know it is valuable but like being immune to ranged shots on a weapon with built in suppression immunity and with all the toughness and toughness damage reduction Vet has feels redundant on anything other than the most chaotic moments with lots and lots of shooters, no cover and weapons with bad mobility for dodges. Laspistols have surprisingly mobility and I am a dodge fiend so I love doing clown dance dodging while shooting. It's why I tend to leave Ghost at the door and grab either Dum Dum/Infernus for Mk II for a Damage build or Dum Dum/Reassuringly Accurate for a Medic build

I can see Ghost being invaluable for vent purge sniper gauntlet

Outside of that I don't really feel it helps my playstyle of trying to be extra mobile with dodging, kiting and baiting enemies into better positions

[somber axle]

Yeah Elites are all over High Intensity Damnation and Auric Damnation High Intensity so I'm not saying the Plasma with Glory Hunter is bad, just that despite being able to restore bigger chunks of toughness it also has worse ammo econ so those shots are also less consistent

Different medic builds

Like a Holy Paladin in WoW vs a Resto Druid. One does big bursty but expensive healing. The other is doing smaller chunks of healing at near all times

I tend to main healer in MMOs I play

Also the weird way I look at Ghost is: if I am fine without it on other weapons, why would I need or want it on a Laspistol when trying to decide between dropping damage (Infernus/Dum Dum) or toughness regen (Reassuringly Accurate)

Plus the biggest threats tend to be disablers/melee elites for run enders in quickplay pugs

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-9192444

[somber axle]

For ranged stuff it's usually enough to fall back to somewhere with cover or an angle where the shooters at least have to run closer/reposition before they can resume shooting

Buy time to clear disablers and melee high priority threats then clear ranged

[junior needle]

It puts you in a dodge state for ranged attacks which means you are benefitting from dnd every time you are shot with no effort.

It's extremely good for leveraging deadshot/dnd while not requiring as nauseating a playstyle

Also the fact that not taking toughness damage from those ranged attacks is much better than having to take it and heal it (it's also prone to getting kills poached).

[umbral scaffold]

i like dodge dancing

feeling like a crackhead is fun

[somber axle]

That's pretty good synergy with Duck and Dive but my Weapon Specialist Medic build weirdly doesn't grab that because I use Chainsword or Chainaxe with my Medic build and Trench Fighter, Desperado and Reciprocity end up being talents I value more

I like saving the talent points for more toughness generation like Covering Fire as an example

I play less like a backline shooter and more like a hybrid constantly weaving in and out of melee

Chainaxe in particular will feel awful without Trench Fighter

But it also very solidly covers anti-armour and anti-boss for me

[umbral scaffold]

how much attack speed is gained from desperado?

or does that only exist on weapon property finesse

[hollow ibex]

It’s just a damage boost iirc

[dusk jacinth]

i think its kinda fucked that this just isnt included base

abilty made for killing elites at ranged

[somber axle]

I'm finally free from work so I can explain a bit before I begin my drive home

[dusk jacinth]

but you have to spec into killing ogryns and small ranged enemies

[somber axle]

Desperado does not give melee attack speed, just helps with melee damage and finesse which pairs really well with Chainsword or helps make the Chainaxe bite harder into boss or Crusher faces.

The melee attack speed boosts come from Trench Fighter (+10% melee attack speed) and Weapon Specialist when you activate melee specialist after a ranged kill

Together they turn the Chainsword into whirlwind blender of death for clearing chaff or help make the Chainaxe fast enough to feel much, much better as a tool to clear hordes on top of just better swing speeds for dealing with elites, specials and bosses with faster times to strike

Reciprocity is increased crit chance on dodge

Between Reciprocity, Deadshot and the base crit chance Vet has + Laspistol crit it ends up being pretty effective for crit chance. I alternate often between hip fire and aim down sights depending on if I want to force more crits during tense moments or save Stam

There's also a talent node as part of Weapon Specialist that grants toughness restore on Weapon swap when activating either melee specialist or ranged specialist and since I play as a hyper mobile hybrid weaving between melee and ranged to adapt to threats it ends up just naturally adding more toughness regen to me and my squad without me thinking about it

[broken crag]

outline them urself

[somber axle]

Tbh I am considering trying either that Marksman's Focus + Tunnel Vision with Out for Blood for general toughness regen stacking or going down middle tree for Focus Target + Target Down for 5% Stam and Toughness restored per stack on kill

[broken crag]

mark button is a very good friend

[dusk jacinth]

what

thats not what im doing with it

im using it to kill ranged

[somber axle]

The extra Stam efficiency would pair well with Medic build crit stacking and Deadshot for better synergy but idk if it is too talent expensive since I am loathe to give up Desperado, Reciprocity and Trench Fighter

[broken crag]

then gun shoot gun shooters?

[dusk jacinth]

did you know reapers have guns also

[broken crag]

idk

u just make things into dead things

that's my job

we're dead people factories

[dusk jacinth]

yea but i dont wanna have to use a talent point on shit that should already be marked!!!

[broken crag]

then don't

don't see just trust and boomboom

[dusk jacinth]

but i want to and also not spend a talent point

very simple

[broken crag]

works 90% of every time

u talk in circles

should be squares

easier

[somber axle]

Also there's a reason I am a clown and it's because the things I do are funny amounts of effort to pull off. I don't want to sit still. I want to be all over the place as fast as I can. Mobility is my fav thing. I try to play this game more like Doom or Ultrakill and less like ... idk some slow shooter game

[dusk jacinth]

a talent thats purpose is to kill at range, not highlighting all ranged enemies without spending talent points is fucked

[somber axle]

If you get motion sick don't do what I do

Some people wanna stand their ground, take cover and blow away anything that approaches before pushing forward Gears of War style. I like playing hyperfast dodging and baiting and kiting

It makes for a very funny thing to watch for quickplay pugs that die and end up watching me run in circles kiting everything until either I die or everything else does and I clutch out to the next checkpoint to revive everyone

[somber axle]

I agree but I think it's also really just there as an option to separate sharing highlighted target sight with the team and sharing ranged targets

I remember a LOT of people would complain about an entire room full of non-elite shooter trash being highlighted all at once and making specials/elites harder to see

and I mean for before the talent rework

[umbral scaffold]

is covering fire boosted by tunnel vision?

[somber axle]

I'm not sure tbh but I thiiiiink so? I haven't tested that synergy yet since my current Medic build is using Weapon Specialist and not Marksman's Focus

at the very least even if they're not boosting you're getting the benefit of both values applying

[somber axle]

Hi you wanted me to ping you and share the build so here it is!

you can swap the point out of Charismatic and into Superiority Complex or even Duck and Dive if you prefer tbh

Charismatic is just useful for me since pugs tend to wander a lot more than when I play with friends

I like Kraks with this because Laspistol/Chainsword lacks Crusher kill potential so it offsets that a lot

this also works with Chainaxe and lets me pull off some insane clutch saves on allies who trigger the Daemonhost

You can use Kraks explosion/stagger on Daemonhosts to stunlock and shred them down fast with the Chainaxe

just requires proper timing to do and some good rev'd Chainaxe biting into a Daemonhost face

you want to alternate krak + chainaxe rev into a second cycle of krak + chainaxe rev to keep the Daemonhost staggered if you want to use the Chainaxe for a Daemonhost kill

you could also swap the talent off of Charismatic to grab Tinkerer to double down on boss kill potential and make it effective for killing Bulwarks but I love revving a Chainaxe or Chainsword into a Bulwark head or back

Chainsword has some funny thing where crit damage isn't falling off on targets you hit with cleave so I run Rampage + Shred and go full on blender mode through trash

here's my Chainaxe I use sometimes though

yes this is the one I've used to kill Daemonhosts LOL

I could definitely get a better one with some Brunt's/Hadron's casino games but idc that much about min-maxing when this on its own is already performing for my clown antics

there are other things I want to save the plasteel/dockets for right now

[dusk jacinth]

XII godroll

i need an example of one

preferably with ghost if thats not already one of the best blessings

[serene bough]

Thank you

[oak gorge]

a nasty psyker said my smoke grenade build was annoying 😭

[last parcel]

I always forgot that that WS had the toughness subnode in the middle. It's funny how much our builds align on the top

[last parcel]

fraggin witch. pop a cap in their ass

[oak gorge]

🫡

[plain drift]

thoughts? I just hit lvl 30 and got this. Had to improvise but I think it looks nice

[last parcel]

it's alright. volatile is kinda shit since normal people don't usually uses charge. Generally people will go Gets Hot + (Blaze Away or Gloryhunter). Normal perk setup is Elite damage + something else I forgot.
How's your wife btw?

I haven't seen Incontinentia in a while

[plain drift]

Keep my wife's name out ya fcking mouth!

Or I will tell Caesar about this!

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-a-wife-gif-25559895

[plain drift]

How important is critical chance on plasma gun? This thing already oneshots crushers

[somber axle]

Ooo that's really similar yeah

I might try that to see how Marksman's Focus feels

[hoary horizon]

They wrong boss!

[civic knot]

Does this give any breakpoints for boltgun for ogryns?

[last parcel]

I think crit chance is for bodyshot breakpoints in case you miss and boss dps, but I don't know plasma well enough to say that for sure. It takes 3 non critical uncharged headshots to kill Crushers on Damnation and I'm assuming crits + blaze away might knock that number down, but someone who actually uses plasma often should verify this

[plain drift]

I charge up my shots often for the big ones tho. Guaranteed oneshot. Then again, I'll try to get one with the combination you recommended :))

[tall torrent]

doesn't chainaxe have super avg finesse

[last parcel]

I honestly have no idea what difference it makes since I was just using it for Tunnel Vision

[uncut bear]

What's the best shotgun for single target?

[hoary horizon]

Flame round one

Forgot name

But if want true 1 target. Slug one

[dusk jacinth]

should I pick this up for a ranged centric build

[hollow ibex]

Agri with slug rounds

[somber axle]

Sorry I was in a Hab Dreyko and finally got my Master of War for Psyker done

Also I believe you're right but the extra crit chance + finesse damage is extra damage. Why throw a rev'd chainaxe heavy into the Daemonhost leg or chest if you can squeeze out more damage through Desperado and a well aimed chainaxe to the jaw?

With a Daemonhost every bit of damage is important, every second counts

too slow and whoever woke it up is going to go

also since I'm swinging down toward Trench Fighter and Weapon Specialist it makes the most sense to grab

Onslaught isn't worth for Laspistol imo

Duck and Dive is nice but for Chainaxe you really want both Trench Fighter's 10% melee attack speed boost and the melee attack speed boost from Weapon Specialist when melee specialist procs

playing without the melee attack speed leaves the weapon too slow to use comfortably as an anti-horde tool imo

[tall torrent]

if it has really meh finesse and going for +finesse doesn't send you over major breakpoints I don't see any reason to go for that

[dusk jacinth]

nvm lol this is on psyker

gonna buy it for ghost though

[somber axle]

Daemonhost DPS and Plogryn/Chaos Spawn/Burgle damage

It's my anti-armour and anti-boss weapon

and also anti-horde with the attack speed

[tall torrent]

how much are u actually squeezing out of desperado and reciprocity out of that

[somber axle]

not nearly as good anti-horde as like Chainsword or Catachan Sword

but still not bad to swing into poxwalkers with all the attack speed buffs

[tall torrent]

because u could go duck & dive + stam regen boost instead

hell even CQKZ is more reliable dmg boost

[somber axle]

Honestly no idea because I'm not sure how to track that, just that there's not really an alternative route down the Weapon Specialist tree that grabs Trench Fighter and it is extra damage on bosses even if it works out to be marginal (and tbh I don't think aiming heads with rev'd heavies on a Chainaxe is marginal damage compared to rev'd heavies into body shots)

[tall torrent]

no??

[somber axle]

I'm back to unmodded gameplay after uninstalling Scoreboard. It was causing weird stability and crashing so I dumped it and might pick it up again later

[somber axle]

yeah one sec lemme show you

[tall torrent]

You can just do this?

[somber axle]

Ooo you're right

I was on Psyker so I forgor and thought the tree had the nodes separate

[tall torrent]

U can go CQKZ instead of duck & dive as well

[somber axle]

that might be the better play maybe

I should experiment with that later

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity + desperado is usually taken for high finesse weapons or for major melee breakpoints

[somber axle]

the extra stam from my clown shenanigans on rushing out front to dodge dance would pair really well with duck and dive and I already do that stam regen madness on Recons

yeah now I see what you mean

you're 100% right LOL

I'll still use Reciprocity/Desperado on Chainsword

but this is a very good alternative for the Chainaxe

thank you for your sage wisdom numbers cat

you are never wrong

can't wait to see how that improves the stam efficiency on my medic build

not today though

I need to begin Zealot penance farming

[tall torrent]

I finished all class-based penances yesterday

I am free

[somber axle]

NICE

Congrats dude!

The new Moebian cosmetics look SO GOOD ON VET

I'm jealous

They also look really good on Ogryn too but tbh as a Vet main I'm really only here for the Vet look

[tall torrent]

I don't have moebian 6th armor yet

am at 4110/4500

[somber axle]

Oh GEEZ

even after all class penances??

I have so much more grinding to do

[serene bough]

Lots of grinding

I think im only at 3100

[somber axle]

I'm only at

after Psyker finished

[serene bough]

Haven't leveled a psyker or zealot yet

[somber axle]

[tall torrent]

yea

I'm 390 off

but I didn't do a lot of auric

14 missions need auric heresy & damnation, that's 280 points

so rly only 110 I need to grind other stuff for

[serene bough]

Time to begin the barrel grind

[tall torrent]

I'm close to chasm terminus full exploration

need 12 more missions

[serene bough]

Do fire barrels still not count towards that penance

[tall torrent]

no

I think I'm close to 250 now

[serene bough]

But y tho

Fatshark pls

[somber axle]

I really, really want the exploration for carnival

The Ring Master title is just too perfect

[tall torrent]

FS trolling

[serene bough]

Maybe if I buy more premium cosmetics FS will stop trolling me

[tall torrent]

I haven't decided if I want to get the new set tmr

given that I can prob finish 4500 points and get Moebian 6th armor before it goes out of rotation

[serene bough]

You already know what it is?

[sterile phoenix]

Stats suck but should i spend melk points just for the level 4 dumdum?

[tall torrent]

someone posted

[serene bough]

Or do you mean the set just about to leave rotation

[tall torrent]

if u have coins, yes

[tall torrent]

no, new set tmr

[somber axle]

well

at least I'll save money on the other class cosmetics LMFAO

maybe I'll get Zealot too idk

really not a fan of Ogryn

[sterile phoenix]

And is this worth the gamble further?

[tall torrent]

if u need to farm blessing and have a lot of plasteel, sure?

[serene bough]

Vet looks good

[sterile phoenix]

And I got dumdum iv from it... well then

[serene bough]

Zel and psyk look like free cosmetics

[sterile phoenix]

What're the other blessings for columnus that you want?

[austere pine]

you want dumdum 100%

after that it's either deathspitter or fire frenzy, preference

[austere pine]

the veteran set looks almost identical to the mordant acid dogs guardsman that was shown in guard's 8th ed codex

[celest vine]

these suck

classic fartshart

[terse idol]

okay dood I get it

You hate the game

It's time to move on

😌

[celest vine]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-shaker-thug-shaker-thug-hunter-arting-gif-25772363

cosmetics need to be better tho

[tall torrent]

The veteran one looks pretty good imo

[celest vine]

that ones alright

[tall torrent]

I’ll prob still stick to Moebian 6th once I get it

[celest vine]

psyker wearing spandex again

no idea where all this chainmail came from

[halcyon zephyr]

What is the best personality combo for professional and loose cannon vets?

My friend's professional actively hates my loose cannon. I want him to keep the voice he chose, but I also want to give him a sneaky personality purge.

[austere pine]

i wonder which of the remaining two is preferred?

since i can't hit heads for shit, i like the right one

but at higher stacks, the stacks remain for longer

and allow me to easily onetap/instakill enemies

[serene bough]

I wouldnt bothter with 15 stacks personally

The only one worth taking is the toughness regen per stack

[austere pine]

can't hit heads => stack recharge talent

but i could try doing deadshot

[tiny summit]

I don't like that I need a kill to get any stacks

[austere pine]

true focus fire hours over here

[white minnow]

i take 15 stacks since i don't use my gun in situations where i can't get a kill in a few shots

e.g., headhunter build where i use melee for bosses

[austere pine]

nah, man

i hit a head and i see a chunk of the boss' hp go down

in my peripherals, no less, meaning i might be dealing like 600-700/shot

absolutely not. upwards of 1k per shot most definitely

nah, maybe 800

[white minnow]

ye

just that i run psword with my build

[austere pine]

i've gotten bored of it

chainsword it is for me till i find my way back

how tf do you make deadshot work while not wanting to commit suicide

there's no way

this is a genuine question. do i just run 2 +3 stam curios or what?

[winter grove]

CIAG

[austere pine]

i tried that and immediately left the mission when i realized what was happening

i swear to god

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

Crab walk one is great: it stacks even when using melee. Probably stacks anytime you do action that freeze you like rezzing or doing minigame

Moving while crouching is the gimmick part

Being able to immediately start at 10 stacks from switch is great, especially on a deadshot build

[chilly saddle]

Ran 5 games with these 3 randoms and no downs for 5 games. All of us got auric storm survivor and the no down insignia. Best night of Darktide. Legends. Zero disconnects zero cheese all purge

[oblique totem]

Beautiful

[austere pine]

shaquille oatmeal

[chilly saddle]

More like Shaquille GOATmeal

[bitter turtle]

What gun

[austere pine]

agri iag

[bitter turtle]

If it's an iag

You basically burst fire it

The point is that everything dies so fast you never need to full auto

[austere pine]

doing exe + deadshot + marksman's

[bitter turtle]

Yeah

[austere pine]

and exe makes recoil 0

[bitter turtle]

Personally I'm not a fan

But

Consider going focus target instrad

With target down

[austere pine]

my aim is shit and i can't mod the shit recoil out of the game

[bitter turtle]

10% stamina per kill if you spam tags on everything

[austere pine]

so i'd rather go for exe to make recoil a non-issue

[bitter turtle]

I meant instead of marksman focus keystone

[austere pine]

yeah no

[bitter turtle]

Mf is unfortunately rhe only keystone with 0 stamina management effects

[austere pine]

penances won't do themselves

[bitter turtle]

Oh

[pseudo fiber]

(please don't do this)

[bitter turtle]

Just crabwalk

[bitter turtle]

Wut

That's the optimal way to play focus

[last parcel]

tagging everything isn't the same as binding tag to m1

[bitter turtle]

Don't tell me you actually hold stacks

[austere pine]

"oh no, a ping spammer"

[pseudo fiber]

No I thought you meant M1 spammers my b my b

[austere pine]

i have mine set to c

[bitter turtle]

I don't m1 bind

But idk

I don't really care if ppl do tbh

[last parcel]

where my tag on f7 gang at

[bitter turtle]

Lol

I have bind on a separate button and on m2 (ads while tagging)

Feels very convenient

[tall torrent]

Is that from a mod

[oblique totem]

If it moves, ping it.
If it shoots back, ping it again.

[radiant chasm]

you should, it's obnoxious and unhelpful

it basically makes your team ping deaf because you are doing so many pings to a target that you are going to kill anyways

even for focus target it's a waste

frequent pinging is great but spamming it is where it crosses the line

[bronze atlas]

m1 pinging is absolutely miserable and i'll leave games with it

learn to press an extra button

if you cant ping an enemy and then kill other enemies without unpinging it you have substantially lowered the effectiveness of the whole mechanic on top of being really annoying

[umbral scaffold]

M1 ping is a sign of faithlessness

w

woops

[bronze atlas]

your mouse probably has at least two extra buttons consider using one of those

[umbral scaffold]

misclick

[last parcel]

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwasdadwadwawwwwwwwwwwwwwwawdawd

[umbral scaffold]

what do yall use middle mouse button for

[bronze atlas]

i have an insane archaeotech gamer keyboard so i have ping on p

[umbral scaffold]

that's my ping

[oblique totem]

Skill issue.

[bronze atlas]

i dont think i have middle mouse mapped

[umbral scaffold]

true

but damn

did a toughness regen run

and born leader did 81k toughness healing in a mission

i think

[bronze atlas]

lmao

[tall torrent]

How did u track that

[umbral scaffold]

idk how power di does that

[bronze atlas]

that's maybe the only way its useful

[oblique totem]

Very carefully

[bronze atlas]

powerDI is genius technology for true geniuses

[oblique totem]

Or mods, I suppose

[umbral scaffold]

i think that's going to be my new pub set up

[ebon umbra]

crouch

[bitter turtle]

multiple keybinds yes, very useful mod

[bitter turtle]

idk what you want me to do

i literally just am not bothered by it

do you want me to try to pretend to be bothered by something i am not bothered by 🤔

im just saying personally idgaf really

[somber axle]

I remember when I first started I watched someone in a youtube video unironically recommending players bind ping to left click and I played two games with that until I realised it was dumb when someone else asked what they fuck I was doing

then I tried right click instead and realised that while that was better it was also incredibly unwieldy

then I learned how to be a normal person

[last parcel]

suuuuuuuuure

[somber axle]

ok you got me

I learned how to be a normal clown

[last parcel]

[umbral scaffold]

man

my life has changed for the better

with the less obnoxious ping sound mod

[somber axle]

I really loved seeing Scoreboard with the ping tracker plugin

and just seeing that the average quickplay pug player pings 0 times a whole match

[hearty panther]

crushing reality

[sturdy schooner]

how do i save this

[umbral scaffold]

man

[somber axle]

average pug player brain: "why ping?? if see just kill"

[sturdy schooner]

pug player with 0 ping vs player who has ping bound to attack button

atrocities by both

[somber axle]

I'd rather have the 0 ping player tbh

at least I can ignore them

[rapid palm]

which perk should I swap for + carapace?

[tall torrent]

Infested

[sturdy schooner]

Infested

[rapid palm]

thx

[proud marsh]

^^^

Why ping something for me to kill, only to kill it by the time I've turned around

pointless and unhelpful

[hallow drift]

Because I ping when I see something that could deal serious damage to the team.

God Emperor forbid a trapper, bomber, or anything holds me up for a second and I’m not able to kill the special, I want my teammates to know it’s there if they’re tunnel visioned on something else

If I kill it before they finish dealing with their problem, great. But I’m not getting wiped by a single crusher in the back line because nobody pinged it

I will say tho, some folks around launch time had bound Ping and Fire to the same key so having vets in a match was fucking terrible

[rapid palm]

tbh as long as your not M1 spam pinging I dont really care, even if your gonna kill something fast, pinging can help you line up aim at long range, deal more damage too it, and thus kill it faster, if your using focus target, or it can, ya know, let your team know where it is in case you fail to kill it or if its a sniper or disabler so your team can dodge

[soft trellis]

Bromentum is one of the bis blessings on the mk 6 power sword, right? Melk offered me this

I took it since I could keep it in my collection if nothing else

[hollow ibex]

yup

[soft trellis]

I'm guessing Sprint eff to flak

Not sure about the 2nd blessing

[hardy lynx]

Is this updated for the latest patch?

[hollow ibex]

not too much has changed since the guide's release tbh

but numbers cat is updating the guide

release soon tm

[hardy lynx]

Oh okay, thanks so much! I was using the standard issue shovel but felt like it was lacking so i was curious as to what some of the better melee weapons are

[hollow ibex]

standard shovel is in a pretty sad spot now these days unfortunately

mkiii/mkvii shovels are much stronger

[rapid palm]

chainsword is also solid, but MK 6 power sword is top dog, its just a massive pain the ass to built

build

[hardy lynx]

I was leaning towards the power sword, why is it a pain in the ass?

[hollow ibex]

if you want to be a true meta slave, psword 6 or rashad

[rapid palm]

cuz you NEED power cycler 4

[hollow ibex]

but both are notoriously difficult to roll, esp rashad

[rapid palm]

no exeptions

[hollow ibex]

you can use pc3 but pc4 is a massive upgrade over pc3

[rapid palm]

nah PS 6 is way worse

imo ya need 4 for the PS to be better than a 3 shovel or chain weapon

knife can be good but only on builds designed around it

[hollow ibex]

rashad just requires super specific stats and perks or it's much much worse