veteran-class

[bitter turtle]

if you kill the majority of specialists and elites then they will have much less problems

[somber axle]

If you peel away and the whole squad goes down you might say it is their problem but you're now suddenly playing a single player game

And that's trolling LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

the penance isnt stay out of coherency and do nothing, its kill shit

[somber axle]

Purposely let the rest of the team go spectator mode smh

No that's what it literally is

You need to use Loner

[bitter turtle]

the hard part for most people is not dying

no

im saying

[somber axle]

Loner is only active when no others are near

[bitter turtle]

its stay out of coherency and kill shit

not stay out of coherency and do nothing

[somber axle]

Yeah? So like you're meant to leave the squad behind

[bitter turtle]

believe it or not

you can carry teams playing that way yes

[somber axle]

I like babysitting my pugs

[bitter turtle]

the #1 cause of pugs falling apart is specialists

[somber axle]

They are my escort mission and I will lead them to victory with the sound of my squeaking clown shoes

[bitter turtle]

killing them before they ever reach your team solves most wipes

(most) people can handle just trash hordes

cant say all

had a zealot of all things go down like 10 times in one game to trash hordes a few games ago

but at tha tpoint

staying with them doesnt help either

lul

[somber axle]

If by carry you mean run off alone, whole squad dies and then you can't make it back to save them and force them all into spectator mode to watch you solo clutch the mission then yeah you can carry

That's why people hate Loner Zealots LOL

[bitter turtle]

people hate them because they get netted and die

[somber axle]

Good or bad they're really just playing the game single player

[bitter turtle]

it sounds like you dont really play stealth builds to understand how to do them properly while contributing

i got the 5 auric mael wins in a row while doing that penance lul

[somber axle]

Even good loner zealots who run off halfway across the map and don't die are still leaving their squad behind most times

[bitter turtle]

believe it or not

you dont literally need to be halfway across the map

to stay out of coherency

[somber axle]

I do with Veteran and I use it to engage on enemies if I need to but often I am using it as a support tool, not an offensive tool

[bitter turtle]

usually im just in the room ahead, clearing things out before they ever become a problem

[somber axle]

But you can assume what you want

[bitter turtle]

well

no offense

but using it to pick up dead teammates

you might as well just use voc revive shout then

[somber axle]

Believe in the me that believes in the you that does not know what a clown can do

[bitter turtle]

same cd

[somber axle]

Nah underhand grenades on approach with Infil

Do you even stealth Vet

[bitter turtle]

i use smokes

[somber axle]

Why

[bitter turtle]

point economy and they're pretty good

[somber axle]

If you're Infil you don't need them

[bitter turtle]

oh

suddenly taking a team utility skill is bad

:^)

[somber axle]

Bruh

It's a weird combo LOL

[bitter turtle]

not really

[somber axle]

Yeah really

[bitter turtle]

playing stealth is all about extending just far enough to make things happen and backing off when you intuitively realize things are starting to go bad

[somber axle]

No wonder you think underhanding grenades on approach with infil is as bad as using VoC revive

you use smokes with it

I'm clearing rooms in stealth and reviving my team

[bitter turtle]

do you even play auric mael, im just curious

[somber axle]

it's worth the point tax to be able to safely revive the team and help the room hit a hard reset by emptying it

[bitter turtle]

i thought you said a while ago you started playing auric

only just recently

[somber axle]

give my team mate breathing room so they don't stand up into a mauler hit LMFAO

Auric Mael no

I play Auric

[bitter turtle]

then

sorry

just stop

lol

[somber axle]

I'm still testing the waters on Mael

No I will keep going

You do you, but I will do me and I think what you do is weird

[bitter turtle]

well

im done

[somber axle]

You're free to think the same

[bitter turtle]

dont really care about the opinion of someone who wants to tell me about my choice in build but doesn't even play at the same difficulty

[somber axle]

I like playing with my pug teams and helping the whole team cross the finish line

[bitter turtle]

might as well listen to a malice player

[somber axle]

I get that you're playing single player but 3 other people exist sometimes

Not my playstyle

Bruh

This elitist behavior LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

excuse me?

i was explaining that you can play loner without being a troll

u are the elitist

saying all loner stealth players are automatically trolling

lol

[somber axle]

Auric Damnation and Damnhation quickplay, but you want to turn your nose up because I'm not an Auric Mael player

Look for excuses and you can find them anywhere you want

[frank ledge]

Solo when.

[bitter turtle]

loner is a pretty crappy aura regardless even in that playstyle i will say

but its often taken just for point econ bc twbs is right above it

i dont like being accused of elitist when im the one defending more diverse/niche playstyles as being viable lol

[somber axle]

There's a reason that Loner Zealots are a meme and it's because they attract the kind of player who is trying very hard to play the game solo, and often gets netted/pounced. It's funny when they die but even when they don't die, they basically don't exist with the team outside of forced objective segments where the whole squad is forced to coexist

[bitter turtle]

and often gets netted/pounced

yes

that's the reason

[somber axle]

And they're not helping the team no matter how cool they think they are being half a map away killing things the squad isn't seeing

[bitter turtle]

as i said before

[somber axle]

The squad is still fighting their own specials/hordes/elites

[bitter turtle]

alot of people aren't really good at dealing with that

[frank ledge]

Deriving a nodes ability out of the many skill issues of pubs is a big mistakes

[somber axle]

and they're basically playing 1 player down because the loner doesn't exist

[oblique totem]

All nets and pounces can be easily dodged

[bitter turtle]

ye

again, stealth loner playstyle can relieve a lot of pressure off a team

[frank ledge]

Zealot pubs in particular are bad, similar to how vet pubs are after any update

[bitter turtle]

if you don't believe me, sure, whatever

[oblique totem]

Unless there's like, a full swarm of hounds.

[bitter turtle]

i dont really care

[somber axle]

I like playing with my team tbh. And I am viciously protective of them. If an Ogryn blunders into a Daemonhost? You know this cat is going feral using every trick in the clown bag to kill that Daemonhost trying to save that Ogryn

If you see someone blunder into a Daemonhost and let them die that's you

But that's not how I play my dude

[bitter turtle]

i will keep playing auric mael with infil vet splitting off from the team and carrying games

[somber axle]

You do that

[frank ledge]

Min height, crouch by crates, dogs struggle to path to you

[somber axle]

I'll play with my friends, and in pugs help people get their penances and do puzzles and help bring them to the end alive

[bitter turtle]

dogs are usually not the biggest problem

[somber axle]

But you can feel cool crossing the finish line solo

[oblique totem]

I like it better when the team works together. If I wanted to play solo, I would probably just play a different game

[frank ledge]

Solo was still promised and must come

[craggy orbit]

Smoke infil is goated, helped get mael no downs penance on accident

[somber axle]

If I wanted to play solo I'd go play Fallout 4 with the new update

Coop game is coop game

[bitter turtle]

nah its trolling :^)

sneaky cat said so

[oblique totem]

A solo option is interesting but I think there's a mod for that so.

[bitter turtle]

ur bad

apparently

[craggy orbit]

Whos that?

[somber axle]

putting words in my mouth smh

I said it's weird

smokes are good, infil is good

but smokes and infil is a weird combo because if a team mate goes down you can't underhand grenades to push enemies off them/kill enemies like you can with kraks or shredder

[oblique totem]

Smokes can cause some accidental irritation

[bitter turtle]

sorry

ur weird

[somber axle]

using either of the other grenades with infil lets me play support better

[bitter turtle]

use a better build

[somber axle]

and save teams

[bitter turtle]

:^)

[somber axle]

be mad

I'll keep being funny

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dance-pomni-the-amazing-pomni-digital-circus-dancing-pomni-pomni-and-the-witch-eyebrows-gif-12820093209985177039

[bitter turtle]

why are you resorting to "u mad"

lul

classic projection

[frank ledge]

Mods shouldn't replace fatshark promised

[somber axle]

because you're clearly frustrated and poking at me now

[bitter turtle]

not really

[somber axle]

bruh

anyway yeah

Finally home TIME TO GAME

don't talk to me though I wanna enjoy my time off work not argue more

[bitter turtle]

if you were not projecting

you wouldn't really care if i responded to you or not lul

this is a public space anyway

[oblique totem]

Game tiiiime- Oh, sorry not talking

[bitter turtle]

just stop posting then

[frank ledge]

Sir/Madam, you can just leave, if you don't wish to engage with someone

[somber axle]

I am yeah but I also remembered the block button exists and tbh I can't be bothered to deal with them anymore

I am ready to relax after a stressful day at work

[bitter turtle]

sure, go for it

[somber axle]

I really don't need an argument LMFAO

[frank ledge]

Best thing of the internet, I don't have to deal with people I don't want to

[somber axle]

Yes and I love the internet

They tend to have good info but I don't want the attitude anymore tbh

[bitter turtle]

kek

all because i said playing loner stealth is not automatically trolling

[craggy orbit]

Sry, just dont see how it is weird. Just shoot the thing off them from your infil, ibstead of a nade you have 2-3 of

[bitter turtle]

its not weird

[somber axle]

It depends on what's on them and what your loadout is Vinyl

[bitter turtle]

i play auric mael with the build

its perfectly viable and good

the main trouble ppl have with stealth skills and playing away from team

is they get trapped/dogged

if you can avoid that

you're contributing

[somber axle]

If they're surrounded by multiple crushers or maulers while specials are running about in the midst of a horde it's not always safe to attempt the revive

[craggy orbit]

Yee, used to be a helbore vet. But that kinda got trashed

[somber axle]

I still love Helbores tbh

[bitter turtle]

bayo nerfs 😔

[somber axle]

Mk III for 1HKO Crushers is very funny

but the Mk II is my fav Helbore

[oblique totem]

For getting allies up, I just use the infil to run up and pick them up. Which might be similar to trying to res someone in the middle of a fire.

[somber axle]

just an all around beautiful gun with a beautiful bayonet attack

[frank ledge]

Every build is viable currently

If Paul works, the rest works

[bitter turtle]

infil res is alright, but you its more like a backup thing than the primary function of the skill

[oblique totem]

Wish more guns had bayonets

[bitter turtle]

if you think about it, infil has the same cd as res node shout

so like

if you were only using it to res ppl

[somber axle]

yeah I do the same but depending on what's around I may underhand a krak/shredder depending on loadout to kill things around them

[bitter turtle]

it'd be better just to take res shout

[craggy orbit]

Mk2 was so good, but now it feels like a water gun without wep specialist

[somber axle]

give them space/breathing room

reviving them right into a Crusher or Mauler overhead is funny but that's mean LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

the main benefit of stealth is dispatching problems before they can reach your team and doing objectives

[somber axle]

Wait really?

[bitter turtle]

i think you can do some final holdout objectives solo basically

[somber axle]

I haven't played with my Mk II since the update tbh

What changed?

[bitter turtle]

sometimes i just tell my team to bunker down on a safe spot and i split off solo to do all the hacking

[craggy orbit]

I have a near perfect 80 roll and a full charge wont kill a dreg gunner anymore

So no clue

[bitter turtle]

do you have unarmored?

[somber axle]

Do you have the unarmoured damage perk?

I remember that's important for that breakpoint

[bitter turtle]

it never 1hs dreg gunners

all that got nerfed was the bayonet

repeatedly

i might add

[craggy orbit]

Usually flak but before change it was 1 hko on everything but crusher/maulers

[somber axle]

that's weird

[bitter turtle]

🤔

did you run marksman focus before

and not anymore

or

[craggy orbit]

Nope focus target

[somber axle]

afaik nothing changed on Helbore damage and dreg gunner HP wasn't buffed or anything

[bitter turtle]

i think you might be misremembering

scab gunners or something

it always needed unarmored to kill dregs

[somber axle]

it should still consistently 1 tap Dreg Gunners but I think it needs Unarmoured damage perk to do it

[craggy orbit]

I did multiple maels before with it, and it would clear the room with HS to gunners

[bitter turtle]

you sure you werent like

happen to be critting

[craggy orbit]

Now it just gets me killed

[somber axle]

Geez

[bitter turtle]

or something

[somber axle]

WAIT maybe it's the pox gas?

I know pox gas gives 40% damage reduction to affected enemies

[craggy orbit]

Shit maybe it is the pox

[somber axle]

that would make it so gunners could eat your Mk II to the head

[craggy orbit]

Honestly yes, that might be it

[somber axle]

2.5 hit mass, 40% movement speed, 40% damage reduction

those are the buffs I'm aware of with pox gas

it's why Muties are so funny

40% speed for VRRRRRROOM on muties LMFAO

[craggy orbit]

I havent done extensive testing but I can link my gun in a sec...typing from ohkne in bed

[somber axle]

Lemme go into the Psykanium real quick

I can test my Mk II

with this I still get consistent 1HKO on Dreg Gunner heads

even without crits

body shots require 2 shots though

even with a crit

it might just be the pox gas buffing dreg gunners and making them tougher than normal

[bitter turtle]

unarmored perk oneshots

[somber axle]

one sec lemme record

[craggy orbit]

Guess it could be the pox then, felt like I wasnt not clearing gunners fast enough

still stuck in loading screen, so waiting on that to link

[somber axle]

I can take two clips one of 1HKO Dreg Gunner head and one of 2HKO body shots

[bitter turtle]

no unarmored does not oneshot, even with a crit

[craggy orbit]

So maybe swap unyeilding to unarmored?

[bitter turtle]

yes

unyielding is probably not a great perk here

unfortunately

falter is pretty bad as well

but

[somber axle]

Yeah swapping unyielding to unarmoured should let you consistently hit the 1HKO Dreg head kill

[bitter turtle]

looks like you are stuck with it

[craggy orbit]

Falter was good before, now its trash

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/5a37c00459ccef04b8b005f4a8d4f4e9

here's my Mk II with Dreg 1HKO on their head with a non-crit

[bitter turtle]

if you can make another one, weight of fire is the ideal

[somber axle]

I had to fire off a random shot to try to force a non-crit because surgical is too good LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

no respite is decent too

helps your bayonet stabs actually

[somber axle]

Falter is really, really bad yeah

it's unfortunate too

[craggy orbit]

Maybe we get a do over with the wep updates

[somber axle]

if it did more impact damage it could have niche use for staggering Bulwarks/Crushers/Reapers after the recent update buffed their stagger threshold

to at least give it some niche use

[craggy orbit]

before it was damage on stagger, with resist it fucks this wep

[somber axle]

but right now Falter is just worthless

if you want to stagger Bulwarks/Crushers just use Agrip Shotgun special shot slug

bully the Ogryns

[bitter turtle]

are you sure you're not thinking of no respite

i dont think falter was ever changed

no respite is the one that increases damage on stagger

[somber axle]

I remember testing Falter IV on my Mk III Helbore and literally tried running a bad build with as few damage talents as possible to try to get as many hits in as possible to see if Falter would let me stagger them

and I'd still kill them before they'd stagger

actually useless blessing LMFAO

[livid monolith]

falter's always been stagger on weak spot hit, since launch at least

[bitter turtle]

yeah

i thought so

[craggy orbit]

yee, it was now that I think about it, but staggering crushers and maulers was what I did with it, also could stun lock a plague ogryn if crits occured

its been a good wep for awhile, but its shelved now

[somber axle]

Ooo staggering a Plogryn with that blessing would make it have fun use

[bitter turtle]

if you want a go at helbore again

[craggy orbit]

it was very useful, at least for the playstyle before

[somber axle]

Though yeah you'll probably do better building a new Mk II with Unarmoured, Weight of Fire and Surgical

[bitter turtle]

you can try the mark 1

its easier to hit all the bps on it

[somber axle]

and then for your other perk maybe Flak, Carapace or Unyielding

[bitter turtle]

slightly slower charge, but nothing weight of fire doesn't fix

[craggy orbit]

THink I have one like that, for mk3

[somber axle]

Mk II is so hard to build because it wants SO MUCH for a good one

[bitter turtle]

mk3 is a bit clunkier

bad bayonet sadly

even the nerfed bayonet on mk1/2 are still pretty useful to avoid having to swap weapons

which you wanna avoid with the slow swap speed

[craggy orbit]

yee this one was on the backburner

[bitter turtle]

the bayonet is surprisingly strong and can even stagger ragers

well

that one is pretty good actually

just swap the weak spot damage and no respite

[somber axle]

75%+ Damage, Stopping Power, 70%+ Charge Rate, +Unarmoured, Weight of Fire, Surgical. I guess Weight of Fire is debatable because it is the fastest firing Helbore but it is still a noticeable DPS increase when firing barrages on bosses tbh

[bitter turtle]

i believe

the best 2nd blessing on hb3 is elite?

iirc

elite/maniac
weight of fire/surgical

[somber axle]

Ooo that's a good one. I'd probably swap No Respite to Surgical and swap Ranged Weak Spot to Carapace

Then you can get 1HKO consistently on Crushers

Hold on let me show you something

someone here showed me a cool excel chart displaying how to get consistent 1HKO kills on Crushers with the Mk III Helbore

I just need to find it

[craggy orbit]

also this one for mk1

realizing now how much I played to have these lul

[bitter turtle]

hm

that one is a bit bricked sadly

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230360434029105192/xhpMWku.png?ex=66306672&is=662f14f2&hm=111978d7ae0ecacfc09e516ba922366c51a3d81666888a4fe368709cb5fa6906&

HERE IT IS

[craggy orbit]

the good thing, is I am saving them if FS somehow pulls miracles on their next weapons update

[bitter turtle]

also i know sneaky cat blocked me but dont take carapace lul

[somber axle]

I need to save this

It's such good info

[bitter turtle]

yes you can oneshot but it requires an inordinate amount of modifiers

you wont be able to do it repeatedly at least on multiple targets

[somber axle]

being able to casually 1HKO a Crusher for literally free using a Helbore with Shock Trooper is hilarious

no ammo cost 1HKO LMFAO

don't even need to close to melee, just tap and go

[bitter turtle]

maniac/elite should allow you to 1hs ragers

without a crit

should be pretty helpful

[craggy orbit]

Its always fun to do

[somber axle]

HHHHHHHHHH

I miss my Vet

[bitter turtle]

than 1hs a crusher every 30 seconds when you can activate exec or have max focus

[somber axle]

but I have to finish my Psyker penances

I work again at 8 am and just got off work at midnight

I'm gonna die for this game LMFAO

but I need my clown dance before I can rest

[craggy orbit]

oh I feel that, just finished zel today, so all class penances finished

[somber axle]

I have been FERAL for this game all day

[craggy orbit]

Glad to be home

[somber axle]

if anyone here sees my Psyker spamming smite just know I'm sorry and this is Fatshark's fault for putting this penance in the game

[craggy orbit]

Not as bad as gunning for every grenade to throw at 25 mobs, anywhere you can lul

[bitter turtle]

you talking about the krak one?

or the ogryn frag

[craggy orbit]

nah, krak was annoying but can be solod, ogryn frag is just awful

[bitter turtle]

yeah

ogryn ones are really grindy from what it looks like

pretty annoying

[somber axle]

oh also

just because I saw people talking about exploding barrel penance earlier while I was at work

LMFAO

this is truly the hardest grind now

[craggy orbit]

Mael with extra barrels makes it go fast

I should be sleeping, not thinking about penances

[somber axle]

same tbh

but just one game before bed

work -> bed -> work is a depressing life

gotta LIVE

gotta PLAY

gotta FIGHT

[craggy orbit]

The Emperor sees your deeds

[oblique totem]

Gotta eat to live gotta steal to eat tell you all about it when I got the tiiiiiime

[craggy orbit]

before I go, thoughts on this?

[bitter turtle]

looks good

carapace is fine, but you can also consider mutant

er

maniac*

will let you oneshot mutants on a stab to their face

but it means you need to take more melee talents on the tree to 2shot crushers

[craggy orbit]

perfect, thanks, and I do take some from wep specialist

[bitter turtle]

just a matter of what you want and how many points you can spare though

pretty much a godroll tbh

[craggy orbit]

only took around 15mil ordos

[gray finch]

i got 1500 in 2 days bcs i was bored

[woeful ibex]

do flaming barrels count?

[gray finch]

no

[somber axle]

LMFAO

you're an actual legend dude

I try to keep an eye out for barrels and lure hordes over to them before popping and it still feels like it is something I'm just going to have to ignore and passively earn through gameplay rather than grinding

[gray finch]

ye i wasnt doing it on damnations tho bcs only infected horde die in 1 explosion in damnation

[somber axle]

Ooo

That's good info

That might explain why so many people are having trouble with it

[rocky trellis]

does Full Bore trigger off of an Agripinaa shotgun's slug round?

[trim hemlock]

It does.

[rocky trellis]

that is incredible, thank you

don't have one to try out yet but I know what I'm grinding for now

[somber axle]

Agrip Shotgun slug with Full Bore is magical

Mine is Full Bore IV + No Respite IV but running Manstopper lets it carve through heads really effectively like TF2's Machina for collaterals

https://i.imgflip.com/1fb0nw.gif

[bitter turtle]

kek

that's the first time i saw someone do the knife thing in a real game

do you have scattershot on it too

cant see the icons

[somber axle]

LMFAO

yesss

[rigid pilot]

Manstopper knife

[somber axle]

Manstopper + Zealot knife is hilarious

[rigid pilot]

Watch fatshark unfun the throwing knife next patch (like they did to assail )

[gray finch]

ye

the fun part was the man-stopper works with melee before updates and you got like a really fast heavy sword but instead of sword you play a knife and getting refresh every hit

but that was a glory days of man-stopper

i might have vid of it

https://medal.tv/pl/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1s9u0LoGZ3fHOA/d1337ba4CnGC?invite=cr-MSxTQ2IsMTk4NDY3OTE4LA

i got this really badly made video

[random tulip]

Ngl this proves fatshark can do it

cause this isn't even a mod

[gray finch]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1G7WjA2hWdog9n/d1337izbJ1ik?invite=cr-MSxUQkgsMTk4NDY3OTE4LA

[amber cliff]

any build suggestions to use with this?

[random tulip]

okay

found it

like i said

not a mod

fatshark please

next overhual

[somber axle]

Yeah I'd really love if they let us see our actual weapons as part of the poses

[trim hemlock]

I'd go with something like this for a start and make some further decisions based on your needs

Aura and ability is flexible, you can really go with whichever you prefer (I'd go Infiltrate or VoC)

Grenade Tinkerer is not needed if you consider taking Bring it Down! like I did, but the other choice in that row is terrible, so it's not like I'm going to complain about more potential boss damage

[random tulip]

okay did the same glitch

figured out the reason why is because the positioning of smaller weapons like pistols and revolvers

for some of the poses

waiting for the shot specifically

[agile forge]

I hear a lot of people really like weapon specialist for shotties

[rigid pilot]

its decent but the swap to shotties still take a little too much time

workable for sure

[agile forge]

Fair enough, it's the one keystone that I don't really understand tbh

Trying to build a Zarona for it

[rigid pilot]

zarona is really good for it

agile engagement with it too

just shoot one shot every 5 seconds in melee

[amber cliff]

im honestly just trying to make this shotgun not feel like shit tbh

[rigid pilot]

did they nerf it so that agripinna slug doesnt open bulwark shields anymore

[amber cliff]

i think it still does?

[trim hemlock]

It does, yeah

[somber axle]

Agripina Slug may be the only weapon in the game that can do it in one shot now too tbh

Boltgun can TECHNICALLY do it in one shot in a very weird way

but it's not feasible for normal games

sharing this again just because it was funny

[trim hemlock]

Is that the WS keystone one?

[gray finch]

but why would you open him if you can just hit his head instead ?

[somber axle]

to open a Bulwark shield using only 1 Boltgun shot you need:

1. Boltgun with 75%+ Collateral stat
2. Executioner's Stance active
3. Pinning Fire max stacks
4. Combat stim active

keep in mind that #3 on that list means you must have at least 1 shot fired previously to have the pinning fire stacks

if you do not have all of these things then the Boltgun cannot open in 1 shot

but with Executioner's Stance active it opens in 2 shots consistently so like

you can just hip-fire a boltgun into a Bulwark shield and pop it that way

[trim hemlock]

That’s a bit steep. This is the requirement ever since Bulwarks were buffed in PtR update, eh?

[somber axle]

it's just expensive ammo-wise to do

[somber axle]

Yes and it took a serious amount of clowning around to figure this out LMFAO

Backup158 helped me find this

[trim hemlock]

Get a revolver with Surgical, Deadshot skill, activate any form of WS and start killing things with Crit weak spot shots

[gray finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1233622418254331964/XDXd.mp4?ex=663066e8&is=662f1568&hm=56dc1c8e6e82f6db7afdb2df2d66e3e39611f3e5e03f40a9cb9790974103312f&

[trim hemlock]

As for melee… I‘ve been using a power sword, but any melee with access to Crit-enhancing blessings should be OK (notably combat blades and combat axes will be the most flexible into most elites)

Consider taking Desperado and Reciprocity for even more obscene Crit-maxxing

Well, the penances description says it should be elites and specials, no other enemies should could

Revolver can get a lot of Crit though - good Critical Bonus modifier roll alone gives you up to 21% Crit IIRC

Deadshot? You’re halfway there. Reciprocity can get you another 25% if you can maintain it

Surgical held for 1 second, at Level 4 at least, gives you 30%

Lower level Surgical is also fine

Consider fishing for it, if you don’t have it at all, it’s one of the best Zarona revolver blessings, and you will have it on all 4 3 hooman classes

[lucid ginkgo]

When you complete marksman focus penance and there's nothing left to do...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/882624120607629353/1234453400213786624/cine.mp4?ex=6630c9d1&is=662f7851&hm=bffbb69e382495579cba798a4d39cb5469b0aee772899fa210a7bad08e7e9c23&

[balmy flume]

You can always farm the penances for other classes

Did it for Psyker and Zealot myself…well, not all their penances TBH. Only enough to get to 3500 on the progress track. Happy enough with the drip for my Vet there.

[verbal rivet]

i'm blue

[balmy flume]

(Da ba dee da ba dai)

[frail topaz]

Punishing salvo is very fucking useless on VId Recon isnt… I got a 380 great role for a fun gun to use and it rolled that 🙄

[tiny summit]

[tiny summit]

Darktide 🤝 Fighting Games

Labbing setups that never happen

[amber cliff]

My hellbore has never felt more useless when theres a plasma on the team

[grand perch]

Plasma has no bayonet, checkmate

[rigid pilot]

without any other buffs?

[tiny summit]

HB2 still competes with plasma. HB3 definitely feels like an old man

[gloomy fulcrum]

hey guys, whats the best blessing for a chainaxe?

[iron marten]

Power DI tracking Helbore damage is hilarious af

it counts the bayonet as ranged damage

so you'd have 180k melee and 400k ranged damage

[analog mural]

Thrust imo

[dire olive]

For single target yeah

Headtaker/slaughterer also good

[vernal harbor]

i keep giving head and not taking head, god im a fuck up

[pearl granite]

is this a good one? 🤔

[smoky jasper]

I can't post pictures yet, but Melk is selling a 378 Kantrael MG Ia with IV Infernus and Headhunter. Is that worth picking up? Seems like it to me, but I don't trust my intuition. Feels like I'm missing something.

[balmy flume]

Use the pinned document to check if the stats that make up the 378 are heavily invested into the needed stats

Or into dump stats

Also check what the perks are

You get a total of 2 edits to perks/blessings, so if either the base stats are scuffed OR you need to modify three perks/blessings, it’s a trap

(Unless you want to add things to your blessing library)

[smoky jasper]

Ohhh, I missed that doc. Thanks!

[balmy flume]

Np 👍
Us Vets lift together XD

[somber axle]

yes without any other buffs

[balmy flume]

Also remember the 2 edits are in total, so it is either fix 1 perk and 1 blessing, or fix 2 blessings, or fix 2 perks

[somber axle]

literally just Executioner's Stance and an ok Collateral stat

idk where the cutoff is though

I have a few minutes before work so I can show

[smoky jasper]

Infernus and Headhunter are both at IV, so that seems pretty good. Stopping Power and Stability are the lowest stats at 70%. The two perks I don't mind changing.

[balmy flume]

Sounds like a nice find, ye

Burn ticks might not be impressive in at very high (read: Auric) difficulties, but not the worst blessing out there TBH

(I run a Laspistol with Infernus)

[smoky jasper]

Sneaky Cat shared their clown-shoes vet build with las rifles, and I've been having a lot of fun with it. This seems like a good fit.

Thanks for the help!

[somber axle]

😄

I'm happy you're having fun with the build!

Also I managed to find time to sneak onto Darktide before leaving for work to record this

https://gyazo.com/cdec5b6ea9f7c2d276987015d7310d05

So Boltgun can still very easily and quickly pop open Bulwark shields tbh

It just requires Executioner's Stance to do and 1 more ammo than they needed before the update

Aside from Agrip Shotgun they're really the only one who can do it so quickly and reliably tbh

Keep in mind that I'm running with a perfect 80% collateral stat on this test

I do not know where the cutoff is for Collateral when it begins to need 3 hits even in Executioner's Stance (assuming it does)

I do know that you can also get it down to as low as 4 hits without Executioner's Stance if you have max Pinning Fire stacks before you fire on a Bulwark

Or if you have perfect 80% Collateral like me

https://gyazo.com/915292d1ecfd6947b6b32b5327a232cb

OH

you can do it in 2 shots with max pinning fire stacks with 80% collateral!

without needing Executioner's Stance

for this last test I killed the Bulwark to reset it for whatever that is worth

mostly just because I play modless and having it back to where it was previously standing made bursting hip-fire shots into the shield easier

https://gyazo.com/9396f2414e9267b3ff71a1f5a3a6dc00

last recording showing that Boltgun can still very easily open Bulwark shields

it's just 1 more ammo cost than it used to be if you use Executioner's Stance, or 2 more ammo cost if you have good Collateral stat and max out Pinning Fire

the extra power from Pinning Fire is increasing both damage and impact to allow this

idk if there are any surviving boltgun mains after the update nerfed Survivalist's Aura but here's the stuff I could test before leaving for work

good luck out there o7

[rocky trellis]

I'm out here and hating life, Hadron has been holding me down by my forehead for Pinning Fire :(

[somber axle]

Pinning Fire is SO GOOD

[rocky trellis]

I would love to know that for myself but :(

[somber axle]

anyway after these new revelations I need to take my Boltgun out for another spin after work

trust in Hadron

pray to the Machine Spirit

leave her toasters to increase her rep like a dating sim

one day she will reward you with a brick that has pinning fire you can at least rip the blessing off of

[dire olive]

I haven't used Boltgun a whole lot ever since Sustained Fire ceased being a thing

[somber axle]

tbh I love Boltgun just because it feels so impactful

the shots sound so POWERFUL

big BOOMS

[dire olive]

30 round bolter was peak

[somber axle]

the gun's aesthetics and audio are unmatched

very fun gun

[rocky trellis]

that's exactly what I like about it, the feedback is fantastic

[somber axle]

Plasma and Revolver are better if you chase meta

I am a clown

I chase funny

and Boltgun is very funny

[rocky trellis]

same reason I have 60k kills on my Sleeper in D2

f e e d b a c k

[dire olive]

I just kinda wish bolter wasn't so wonky with the sway and recoil

[somber axle]

That's why I use it with Executioner's Stance tbh

helps reduce recoil and sway

you can also do Deadshot

but then you need to keep an eye on stamina

[dire olive]

it's more the reset animation just seems a bit jank

[somber axle]

Oooh

Yeah that's very fair

[balmy flume]

I am a very recent convert to the Laspistol (for VoC run at least)

Quick swap time to Power Sword helps a lot.

Swing, swing, shoot trapper in head, swing swing.

[somber axle]

Both of the Laspistols are so fun. I prefer the Mk II on Veteran for how fast firing it gets with Weapon Specialist's ranged attack speed buff in combination with my Medic build, and the Mk X on my Gun Psyker build for blasting down targets

Hit Scrier's Gaze and unleash pain

[hoary horizon]

Wish could get veteran mouthpiece voice effect. The one that shave eyebrow off and get rid of other left eye

[balmy flume]

Running Mk2 right now for good bullet spam.
Buff it with Deadshot (crazy stamina bars allow for great use) and the Long Range node…you will be popping snipers with a pistol
Also, worth parroting again, quick switch times to Power Sword.
Nice ACOG scope too (yes I like the scope lol)

[somber axle]

It's really funny how a little pistol can be so powerful

[hoary horizon]

[somber axle]

Also the hip fire feels pretty accurate at medium to longer ranges too. Alternating into hip fire from ADS when low on stamina doesn't even feel that bad tbh

[balmy flume]

And lastly, Laspistol is one of the weapons to not suffer from Suppression.
In essence, you get an extra point on your skill tree lol

[somber axle]

Yeah Laspistols are crazy good

[hoary horizon]

If Ulgo want power ssord and laspistol what build Ulgo use?

An how to play the build?

[tiny summit]

Mk10 laspistol with WS is nice

[balmy flume]

Laspistols are better suited to VoC and Stealth vets (will share my tree when off work, I use VoC)
Less so with Executioner Stance if only because that one actually needs a weapon with better punch for consistent headshots.

[neat stratus]

I like the brown heavy laspistol myself

Basically a hand cannon for crits

[hoary horizon]

VoC yes

[tiny summit]

Nah Exe MF Laspistol is still great. Well as great that Exe is

[somber axle]

Voice of Command and Laspistols for Commissar aesthetic

[tiny summit]

VoCringe

[somber axle]

If only you could buff the team by shooting them

[hoary horizon]

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ciaphas-cain-40k-tts-device-impostor-syndrome-impostor-gif-18110598

[neat stratus]

Exe stance kinda still fits that aesthetic

[tiny summit]

Yea. WS is nice with it. I'll be swinging through a horde, see a bomber and 1 tap with the MkX

[somber axle]

Honestly yeah

[gilded wraith]

Ogryn would be unstoppable.

[balmy flume]

Haven’t tried the heavy Laspistol myself but I will just say it depends on your own personal playstyle between the two.
Heavy Laspistol is less shot spammy, I kind of like the ability to spam shots (which I do tend to fall into panic spam shot modes lol)

[somber axle]

Executioner's Stance works too

[hoary horizon]

Not need buff already buff

[somber axle]

also I am in the same boat of avoiding VoC as much as I can

[neat stratus]

I dislike the need to shoot multiple times because I fear carpal tunnel

[balmy flume]

I will confess I have gotten very rusty with Executioner stance

[neat stratus]

Why spam when can aim good

[balmy flume]

That’s true and fair, need to try the heavy version

[neat stratus]

It's nice with it

Crit headshot 1 shot kills gunners as far as I know

[balmy flume]

Also the Skin (yes I pay UK prices so it is dirt cheap) is the heavy version as well

[neat stratus]

Only takes like 3 or 4 face shots to kill an unarmored ogryn

[hollow ibex]

get the full auto mod

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo need work on surviving alone too. Will work

[neat stratus]

It was mostly a joke but I just like more patient firing weapons

[balmy flume]

Come to think of it, I am probably abusing Executioner stance, but I used to run it without the Headshot keystone but with the middle one instead. With CIAG.

[hollow ibex]

lol fair enough

[balmy flume]

Could go back to using that, since pure headshot sniping…yes, it really isn’t something I am good enough to keep consistently.

[neat stratus]

It'll come naturally with practice, hit heads like 90% of the time with my pistol

Probably because it has God Emperor's gift to holo sights

[hoary horizon]

learnin lots here. So try hit head. On controller but can always try

[balmy flume]

Perhaps I should keep practicing with Laspistol/Ia Lasgun

Well, the headshot thing only applies for you took the leftmost keystone

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo try laspistol build. Crit and power sword

[neat stratus]

Personal suggestion, the Lucius Helbore is what I used to learn to aim in this game

[hoary horizon]

Bayonnet charge

[balmy flume]

Execution stance alone doesn’t really need headshots to shine, but it is designed to supplement that quite a bit.
Lucius Hellbore…another weapon with innate suppression immunity.

[neat stratus]

I used it before the bayonet was good

[balmy flume]

Could be a nice alternative

Especially since steady aim is needed for maintaining headshots

[neat stratus]

Helps aim a lot if you stay calm, even if you're in a lot of danger

Slight panic can cause just enough jitter to miss with some weapons

Applies a lot more irl but it definitely matters the higher your sensitivity

[hoary horizon]

Will have work more for blessings. Not matter. Can do it

[ebon umbra]

plasma with the full auto mod

weapon swap to cancel shots

[tough tiger]

blessings for agripinaa shotgun?

[pallid jetty]

here you go
https://youtu.be/ocUQcVDnRoU

[slender turtle]

Is chink in the armor still not working? (Been a long while since it i asked about it)

Or did they correct it

[tame lodge]

[idle swallow]

sending thoughts and prayers

[vital phoenix]

whats the best weapon for this penance? never use that keystone, never really use horde ranged weapons

[agile forge]

I like CIAG

[tame lodge]

Graia Mk IV

[agile forge]

My main build before this patch was already an ES/Deadshot/MF CIAG build

[tame lodge]

I recommend because big ammo fire fast

[vital phoenix]

shit reads like a poe build.

but sounds good, will try that and graia

[tame lodge]

I think Lawbringer is the another suggestion but eh

[pallid jetty]

i did it pretty fast with the helbore

you get 3 stacks by headshotting a guy, so getting 10 stacks is easy as hel(bore)

[vital phoenix]

its the last I need, I just wanna have it done so I can switch classes lol

[unique sorrel]

how does deadshot CIAG work? seems anti-synergy at first but it sounds like it could have potential

you just ADS for tight bursts and hipfire everything else?

[frank monolith]

get plasma gun

get the the mm focus where if you press your crouch botton you get 1 mm stack

get a knife

and travel with knife side dashes and shoot horde with plasma gun xd

[stark hinge]

If you don’t want to crouch In front of hordes and melee, I tried a bunch of guns for it and by far the most effective is the graia mk4 braced with deathspitter and fire frenzy

[agile forge]

It's burst

I run 2 stamina curios on it lmao

I probably should drop Deadshot though, I even don't take grenade regen

[umbral scaffold]

Even with 3x 3 stamina curios it eats stamina

[agile forge]

It's mostly just for meme maximum DPS

[umbral scaffold]

Still fun tho

[agile forge]

I fall apart the moment I get swarmed in a small room though

[umbral scaffold]

Just utilize duck and dive to maintain stamina

[umbral scaffold]

It be that way sometimes

[agile forge]

Can't afford it lmao

[umbral scaffold]

Love having my dodge and jump on space

[agile forge]

Veterans are so fucking point thirsty

[iron marten]

Deadshot CIAG is a good meme. Burst a crusher with it

[umbral scaffold]

True

I just want my cake and be able to eat it

[slow spade]

30 points -> 300 points

Ez fix

[umbral scaffold]

Kinda miss the 6 second refund not being a 1 point invest

But there’s some use in keep their heads down

[wanton dawn]

This is the ciag build i used to get the penance. I call it : "no compromise"

[slow spade]

Middle path supremacy

[wanton dawn]

I got a 1m dmg with it last week, though i was fed ammo

[iron marten]

I can imagine, ever since the surv nerf

Good nerf, it converted me into a helbore user

[lavish solar]

Not sure if this is correct but I’ve heard that this doesn’t require you to kill with a gun, it’s just kills at max stacks

So apparently you can cheese it by standing still and cutting down a hoard (at least that’s what I’ve been informed?)

[frank monolith]

my run with perma crouch penance on plasma and knife

[somber axle]

Hello! If you have been lucky with weapon blessings for the Shotgun, use a Lawbringer with Scattershot IV and Manstopper II. Scattershot III is fine too. Use the camo node in the Marksman's Focus. I also recommend getting Infiltrate with Low Profile for the stealth and -90% threat reduction so you can stand near team mates to do this freely. Shoot heads with the Lawbringer Shotgun while standing still until you have 10 stacks then load a special slug and shoot at a horde. Poxwalkers will evaporate. Groaners will explode violently a red mist. You will create clouds where bodies used to stand. With one shot you can clear a wave of a horde and every kill goes toward the penance. Use the horizontal special shot with Manstopper's increased cleave on crit and Scattershot's increased crit chance per enemy hit to guarantee a crit on every special shot and kill everything. I did it in 2 days and that's while I was on a strict work schedule with very little play time. Lawbringer Shotgun with those blessings trivializes that penance LMFAO

Oh btw you will not need to crab walk but you can continue to watch other Vets crab walk and enjoy the funny sight while you clear the penance fast and easy

[trim hemlock]

I can recommend that, the penance hasn’t been a great chore and was completable in like 6-7 games

Ironically, the better your team is doing, the harder it is to complete it

[somber axle]

The camo node for Marksman's Focus is just for an easier time maintaining 10 stacks tbh. Infiltrate and Low Profile help you freely load special shots into the Lawbringer without fear of poxwalkers attacking you as long as you are near another player. Let your squadmate become the equivalent of an MMORPG tank and use your Lawbringer to clean rooms

The best place to get lots of progress while using the Lawbringer Manstopper + Scattershot strategy is that level with the bridge just before the elevator that takes you down. Idk what the level is called off of the top of my head. But the bridge makes for a perfect choke point to freely wipe waves of poxwalkers as they funnel down the bridge toward you

[agile forge]

15 stack node also feels great but you will probably be below 10 a little more

And you actually have to headshot for it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-anguish-venom-snake-scream-big-boss-gif-16644725

[somber axle]

Yeah that one is good too and can give you more leeway on movement if you haven't clicked a head recently and you're losing stacks

I would also heavily recommend bringing a melee you are comfortable using against Crushers or bringing Kraks because Lawbringer will not help you when the Crusher squads come marching in

But on the bright side you can farm the 500 krak kill penance too while doing the Marksman's Focus penance

[agile forge]

Can't go wrong with a PS6

[somber axle]

Oh also standing still and waiting for 10 stacks is silly. I just recommend camo node because you stand still for even 1 second and you get 1 stack. So since you get 3 stacks per weakspot kill you only end up needing 3 headshot kills at most to max out at 10 stacks assuming you are standing still when you begin clicking heads

[agile forge]

It's also just ease of use

[somber axle]

Without camo node you need a minimum of 4 headshot kills to get to 10 stacks, or 5 to get to 15

[agile forge]

And some weapons don't autoheadshot as well as I thought at first

[somber axle]

Tbh you could probably just run both and make it even easier

[agile forge]

Mutually exclusive

[somber axle]

Oh they are? I never noticed LOL

Then yeah do camo if you are less experienced clicking heads

[agile forge]

I wish I could run both at once!

[somber axle]

If you're good at clicking heads do 15 stack

[agile forge]

Fucking love marksmans focus

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus is so funny

[ebon umbra]

marksman's focus is haha funny atm

[agile forge]

I love being made to jump through hoops to get variable but huge damage buffs

Disrupt Destiny and Inexorable Judgement too

[ebon umbra]

WEAPONS SPECIALIST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION

except huge hoops for minor buffs

a weapons specialist rework would make me a happy reject

[abstract storm]

Anyone got a recommended way/build to get the "On Overwatch" penance?

[somber axle]

Use Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch. The stealth, -90% threat for 10 sec after stealth and extra charge will help you avoid being hit. Play around your team. You don't need to be cowardly while using Low Profile with the -90% threat while in coherency range with another player. Enemies will just forget you exist. You can also grab 4% combat ability curio perks to lower the CD since it has more value for lowering the cool down on Infiltrate if you grab the Overwatch node. Normal Infiltrate is 1 charge at 45 sec CD. Overwatch node gives it 2 charges but a 1 min recharge rate so the 4% + 4% + 4% combat ability CD reduction (if you get it on all three curios) has a lot more value

Carry the ability CD reduction stim if you end up in an emergency situation and use it to cycle stealth and Low Profile -90% threat buff while staying near allies until the heat passes

Other than that I would recommend using stealth to underhand shredder frag grenades because it does not break stealth and you can create space and safety for yourself if you end up separated from team mates since Low Profile will have no effect if you are solo

Overhand toss breaks stealth, underhand toss does not

[hollow ibex]

What’s wrong with it? It feels very strong right now

[hollow ibex]

I think under hand breaks stealth on krak if the grenade attaches

Didn’t test very careful

[somber axle]

Yeah this is true so be careful if you are using kraks and a mauler/flak rager/crusher is around

[hollow ibex]

But was disappointing to find out

[somber axle]

Kraks can clear space but they will pull you out of stealth if they stick to anything

[balmy flume]

I just had a funny thought that Stealth Vet, you are basically playing as a Ninja.

[hollow ibex]

Would’ve been hilarious if I could just run around like a maniac attaching grenades on crusher asses

[somber axle]

My fav thing about Infiltrate stealth is that it does not break on Chainsword or Chainaxe rev

[balmy flume]

You can always abuse the 2 charges stealth…enter stealth>stick Krak, exit stealth>activate stealth again

[somber axle]

Wolfer's men sweating when they hear the VERY LOUD SOUND OF A CHAINSAW whirring and getting LOUDER but seeing nothing

[balmy flume]

I mean, considering some of them have actual chain weapons, they could mistake it for their own. Which is a bit more hilarious…

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-meme-approaching-close-coming-gif-27652940

https://tenor.com/view/dead-gif-18865199

[hollow ibex]

Oh does that work with nades? Never tested tbh

Oops nvm misread

Thought you were talking about something else

[balmy flume]

Np, it happens

[hollow ibex]

I tend to be careful about using both charges quickly because it’s a minute of down time for each charge (worst case scenario)

[somber axle]

OH ALSO

[balmy flume]

That’s a fair point, thought in my brief runs of Stealth Vet, I never ended up doing that anyways.
By the time I did the damage and inflicted whatever I wanted, my teammates have wiped the stuff out behind me XD

[somber axle]

If you have an Ogryn friend or a Psyker friend have them hug you. An Ogryn with Taunt or a Psyker with Deflector on their sword can help keep you safe from melee and ranged attacks

[balmy flume]

(I usually do an Eversor Powersword stealth run on Gunner lines whenever I do use stealth)

P sword with the Stealth tree is also stupid OP since you will end up taking the melee damage nodes.

[somber axle]

I got On Overwatch few weeks after launch entirely on accident just because my friend mained Ogryn and the old Camo Stance talent had a much wider threat reduction if you stood still so you could just get away with standing still and watch an entire horde and specials run by you without ever realizing you're there even if you were shooting at them and your team was on the opposite side of the room LOL

Launch Vet was so silly

And so broken overpowered

[balmy flume]

Ah, the old days when we nuked the map…

[somber axle]

I miss old Plasma most tbh

[balmy flume]

Old Boltgun.

The ammo counts.

[somber axle]

New Vets will never know the magic of the time when Plasma Vets would kill themselves more often than Psykers

Either because of the chip HP damage on vent or the overheat explode

Chip HP damage on venting for old Plasma was PAINFUL

And it was so funny LMFAO

[grand perch]

no one vented, you just reloaded

[somber axle]

I did sometimes depending on how chaotic it was. Sometimes you didn't have time for that really long reload even with reload speed talents and needed another shot right now

But if you had the space, safety and time then yeah reload every time

You had to trade HP to deal with a problem immediately

Also funny launch Vets accidentally overheating during battles and then running full speed at enemies like a Poxburster LMFAO

Old Plasma was so funny

[grand perch]

there should be more incentive to use the charged up shot again

[somber axle]

There really should

I miss it so much and use it whenever I use Plasma just for the funny 1HKO on Crushers tbh

The TTK is and ammo spent is roughly the same as just tap firing on a Crusher for 3 shots assuming the first is a headshot/crit but wow

Charge Plasma feels GOOD

Makes the weapon actually feel kinda fun

Spammy Plasma is so boring for me

[grand perch]

imagine if charged up shots cost the same as normal shots

[somber axle]

It's undeniably effective, very strong. It's just not the playstyle I like with it

[somber axle]

Even if Plasma charged shots ended up being a net positive on kills/ammo efficiency ratio you would still have most people tap firing, even after Survivalist Aura nerf

It needs more to make Plasma Vets care about it

You'd either need to nerf damage and/or cleave on non-charged shots or you would need to make Charged Shot so much stronger that players consider it over tap fire's insane kill speed on multiple targets and sustained DPS output on bosses

Either break the gun in one direction and make Plasma Vets mad or break the gun in the other direction and make the game even easier for them

No easy answer tbh

[gilded wraith]

I'm curious about the parity of plasma and helbore charged/uncharged shots.

[tiny summit]

Deleting the gun from the game for a week

[gilded wraith]

Is the some secret helbore uncharged shot meta waiting to be discovered?

[somber axle]

April Fools we removed all guns except the Kantrael XII for Psyker, Veteran and Zealot. The Inquisition is going through a look at the budget and until that gets sorted use the standard rifle that everyone is ignoring

[tame lodge]

The Helbore Mk3

[tiny summit]

"Special munitions week" only sub 10 dmg shredder pistols

[somber axle]

You can tap fire non-elite shooter heads to clear rooms faster, easier and more ammo efficiently

But other than that idk

[last parcel]

bombers* and snipers too

[somber axle]

That's good to know

[tiny summit]

Not really. Tap fire for a second shot if the 1st doesn't kill . Mk3 being able to 1 tap all shooters reliably uncharged

[somber axle]

But the most ammo efficient way to use a Helbore?

AFFIX BAYONETS

https://tenor.com/view/war-worldwarone-ww1-ww-i-soldier-gif-4724980

[tiny summit]

Mk3 bayonet crying

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-death-stab-spear-gif-9789868

[tame lodge]

Sore hands from alt spamming

[last parcel]

kid named autoswing mod:

[somber axle]

The Mk III bayonet at least has a little cleave. Not enough to make it more fun than Mk I and Mk II fast bayonet thrusting but like it can kill a few poxwalkers in one strike if you aim it right

Mk III bayonet worst bayonet

[tame lodge]

We do it the hard way

Just like the guard intended

[abstract storm]

Great tips. Just got it 🙂

[tiny summit]

Hard way, playing as vet, you gotta choose man

[gilded wraith]

Carpal tunnel corps!

[somber axle]

Congrats!

[last parcel]

https://youtu.be/gsxaeIPOJIs?si=DNd1kLGURDeXhdzF

[abstract storm]

Don't know why I didn't get the "take no health damage" one though, since I took no HP damage at all either

[tame lodge]

[tame lodge]

Remember that hearing loss is not related to your service

[slow spade]

Might have already gotten it

Some penances were retroactive

[forest star]

Not sure if I should get this new lasgun or not.

[crude fiber]

perks suck, 1 bad and 1 meme blessing, id skip

[forest star]

Sad. I keep finding good stats but bad perks or good perks but bad stats. Though my current one is pretty nice.

[somber axle]

I think the Recon VIIa does better with Headhunter/Dum Dum tbh. There's some synergy with Infernus/Dum Dum but then you miss out on the more consistent crits and have less ammo efficiency from Shock Trooper. Infernus isn't as good on the VIIa as the II or VId. Takes longer to stack and the higher damage per shot means it doesn't benefit much from the tick damage even on crit strings afaik. Infernus is still more damage but Dum Dum/Headhunter is the ideal combo for the VIIa I thiiiiink? Also the ranged crit damage is bad. The elite damage is ok but you can definitely do better than that one tbh. I'd keep what you have over using the other one. The 13% difference in Damage stat isn't big enough to justify losing out on your perks/blessings on your old Recon Mk VIIa imo

[untold mulch]

headhunter would do more unless you straight up not headshot

[balmy flume]

Right time to see if I can get the heavier Laspistol

[slow spade]

Infernus without Headhunter is basically a wasted blessing compared to DumDum

[slow spade]

Keep in mind the Kantreal Laspistol does not have funny stats that the spammy laspistol has

[bitter turtle]

They're both pretty bad

Unfortunately

I'd use right if you forced me to use one

[forest star]

It serves me well so I'm happy with it

I just don't really play enough to look through the shops regularly after refreshes to get very good stuff.

[bitter turtle]

That's fair, you don't have to upgrade immediately if you don't feel it

And shops rarely give anything good

[forest star]

My mission rewards have almost always been worse, so

[bitter turtle]

Most of my good weapons is rolling at brunts

And upgrading

[forest star]

Fair enough

[bitter turtle]

When I roll good stats

[forest star]

Bit of a drain on resources though.

[bitter turtle]

Just as fatshark intended

Tbf what else are you gonna do with those dockets and plasteel

[terse idol]

Definetly would want to wait

And see what they're gonna do with the crafting changes

[balmy flume]

Hadron bricked a better one, so this is the best I have thus far for Mk X Laspistol

now to do a test run to see how well I handle the weapon lol

[balmy flume]

Maximise base stats when lol

[bitter turtle]

You have no idea when that's coming

Idk

If you need a good weapon I'd just roll and see what happe s

Just don't throw anything away

We have no idea what they will do

Maybe locks removed, maybe you can raise stats

Maybe red weapons

Who knows

[balmy flume]

Play the Brunt/Hadron roulette is like a side game after you maxed out lvl 30 and are comfy with Damnation lol

[bitter turtle]

It's their grind loop to keep people playing ig

[bitter turtle]

Honestly this already looks good

[forest star]

number go brrr?

[vernal sundial]

i pray they dont do red weapons because grinding for those is about the only thing i genuinely dislike in vt2

[balmy flume]

Verily true.
Felt like I was holding a laser version of a revolver

[terse idol]

Yeah, which means I'm settling for budget weapons

Me as I spend 100,000 dockets to roll for a chainsword for my zealoy

[pallid jetty]

only 100k?

[terse idol]

Yeah my budget strategy

We don't know when the crafting is gonna change

ButA

But!

I can say at least at minimum this year

So I'm only gonna spend so many dockets until they change the crafting

😌

[blissful flame]

got me an okay speed revolver. I swapped hand canon in for terrifying barrage, any other recommendations?

[terse idol]

Change surgical for cruccian roulette

[bitter turtle]

No

[tall torrent]

New color scheme for guide (WIP)

[terse idol]

Darn

[bitter turtle]

Do not change it for crucian pls

[bitter turtle]

I'd change the unarmored perk if you're OK with playing surgical agri and only fanning in emergencies

Even supposing you want to fan literally everything

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-better-call-saul-saul-goodman-saul-sweep-titans-gif-21970301

[bitter turtle]

Use run n gun or sustained fire for a straight power boost

Crucian just suggs on most targets, you won't fan to the 5th bullet on most things

Unless it's le funny psykarium monstro kill

[frank basin]

Sedation monstrosity’s vs combat stim max damage talent fanning revolver

[bitter turtle]

Idk for the record I've actually built agris with every remotely viable blessing to pair with handcannon, and that's just my opinion having tried them

Even got a point blank one for whenever they fix that shit

[winter grove]

Looks more like text on an auspex, fits if you ask me

[midnight totem]

I like it

[dusk jacinth]

toughness or health

[last parcel]

5 wounds

[dusk jacinth]

you are not chad you are STUPID

!!!

[vague smelt]

Should I buy these

[agile forge]

So just tried an infiltrator WS chainsword 4/zarona build

Me likey lots.

[vague smelt]

@somber axle Need help I got these two as "usable" but which one is better

[agile forge]

Being able to rev the chainsword without breaking infiltrate is actually hilarious

[vague smelt]

I can still rebless the left one for surgical

The charge rate might be concerning but it's minor

[somber axle]

I'd say the one with Weight of Fire and Surgical. Even if the damage Stat is lower it has the two best blessings for the Mk II and the Unarmoured perk. If you can consistently 1 shot Dreg Gunners in the Psykanium on Damnation with and without critting the head then the 66% damage one is still better. The 79% damage/79% stopping power one looks nice but tbh the charge rate us low on it and you'd probably need to put Weight of Fire on it to compensate for the lower fire rate. Then you're missing out on Surgical and still have a lower rate of fire for slightly more damage per shot with less crit and still slower rate of fire than the 66%. Definitely keep the one on the right imo

But

[vague smelt]

I can't one shot dregs with the right one..

[somber axle]

Yeah if you can't then you need the one on the left

[vague smelt]

Ah wait I think now it does

[somber axle]

Swap out Falter and get Surgical

[vague smelt]

Well

Let me test the other one

[last parcel]

falter best blessing

[somber axle]

If the fire rate feels ok then it will be ok, if a bit slower than a Mk II with Weight of Fire and higher charge rate

[vague smelt]

I think

[somber axle]

Mk II gets pretty speedy with 70%+ charge rate and Weight of Fire

[vague smelt]

I'll stay with the dumped dmg stat

There's barely any difference

And the low charge rate it's kinda eh

[somber axle]

Oh if your 66% one does the 1HKO Dreg Gunner breakpoint then yeah keep that one for sure

[somber axle]

Yeah the lower speed is gonna be painful

[final stone]

DRAWD YEW A PITCHUR SAHJ

[vague smelt]

I've been concerned the whole time about maniacs but

I will never 1 shot maniacs

anyway

so

[somber axle]

Idk if mine can one shot maniacs tbh

I should check when I get home

[vague smelt]

The left one cannot

[somber axle]

I think there's a breakpoint for flamers?

But I can't remember for sure

[vague smelt]

Even with crits can't kill it

[somber axle]

I will not be home for another hour and a half so I can try to verify then unless someone else checks first

[vague smelt]

80 damage + maniac perk at crit

full charge

[somber axle]

That's weirdly close

[last parcel]

they’re tauntin you at this point

TIME FOR FIRE TEAM

[vague smelt]

Let me record the fire rate between these

[somber axle]

I'm sure there's a way to get the flamer breakpoint but I can't test it at work

LMFAO

Unironically Fire Team would give the Flamer breakpoint

It's that close

[vague smelt]

Eh

Let me see my tree

[somber axle]

Longshot at a longer distance could also give the breakpoint

Or the other one that I always forgor

[vague smelt]

Why do I have rending strikes in my lasgun tree

Please forgive me

[last parcel]

think it helps the dreg bruiser bayonet breakpoint

[somber axle]

I know there's one talent node that gives up to 20% more damage based on distance from the target and another node that gives more damage if no enemies are within 8m

[last parcel]

kill zone

[somber axle]

Yeah that's it

Longshot and Killzone

There's also like... Executioner's Stance but idk if you wanna go with that ability just to hit a Flamer breakpoint

Probably better to find the damage elsewhere so you're not stuck on the ability

[vague smelt]

Ok I cannot have the left one without Weight of Fire

it's so slow

[somber axle]

And can swap between abilities on preference

Yeah without Weight of Fire the lower charge rate is gonna hurt

[vague smelt]

And for a small damage difference

it's not worth it

Man Hadron is being a bitch this week

[somber axle]

Weight of Fire and a 70%+ charge rate make such a huge difference in quality of life and DPS

And Surgical is very important too

Haddon is throwing out so many bricks

Getting a good Mk II Helbore is so tricky

Mobility 51% iirc

One sec lemme check the numbers cat guide

[last parcel]

yes

that's it

[vague smelt]

With Kill Zone and Long shot I can one shot Flamers with the damage dumped Lucius

[last parcel]

I wouldn't rely on Kill Zone for bps

[somber axle]

Here you go

So wild that it wants literally every other stat other than mobility LOL

And then Uncanny Strike is mandatory

Idk why Maniac or Unyielding on them but they must be for very important breakpoints

Trust the numbers cat wisdom

[somber axle]

That's perfect then. That gives you the Dreg Gunner breakpoint and the Flamer breakpoint

[vague smelt]

With dreg gunner I already have Unarmored perk

my concern was flamers

[somber axle]

The only thing a higher damage stat Mk II Helbore gives you over your current one is higher boss DPS and probably not by very much

[vague smelt]

What meles go well with Helbores

[somber axle]

I'd day your damage dump stat Helbore Mk II is weirdly fine but if you get a higher damage stat version with Unarmoured, Maniac, Surgical and Weight of Fire it may let you forgo the point tax in Longshot/Kill Zone to hit the Flamer breakpoint

So getting a better one at this point is just for freeing up talent points to spend elsewhere

Your Mk II is pretty solid imo

[somber axle]

I would say something with good horde clear tbh

[vague smelt]

Hadron is making it hard

[vague smelt]

Power Sword?

[somber axle]

Yeah that's a good option

[vague smelt]

I use this one

not the best

but

it's ok

[somber axle]

Could do Catachan Sword, Chainsword, Power Sword, Rashad Axe (if you have a REALLY GOOD ONE) and maybe even Mk VI Combat Knife