you mean the trinket
#veteran-class
bitter turtle
tall torrent
Prayer Chimes
split sapphire
I remember that
bitter turtle
i cant put trinkets on guns
cause they dont show up on a lot of heavily modded ones
id want it ton this laspistol but nothing appears if you select it
weirdly this onne is ok though
echo sky
I just finished every Vet penance but the killshot ready penance and its 2500 enemies killed with marksman focus at 10 stacks. I've used my hellbore build but it was too slow, used a kantrael but it didnt feel going fast enough as well, what do you guys recommend?
tall torrent
I just finished every Vet penance but the killshot ready penance and its 2500 ...
Crab walk with melee
agile forge
CIAG baby
bitter turtle
I just finished every Vet penance but the killshot ready penance and its 2500 ...
melee kills count
so yeah
split sapphire
Beg your pardon?
bitter turtle
crabwalk with melee
use camoflauge subnode
just crabwalk to build stacks and stab everyone aroun dyou
tame lodge
Yup all you need is 10 stacks
idle swallow
Unironically get a lawbringer with manstopper/scattershot and spam the alt shot, if you got some stack of marksman focus up it can mulch hordes and weaker elites pretty damn good. I got it done and dusted that way
thorn dragon
Does twinned blast help with the smoke grenade pennace? or are the already "smoked"
echo sky
Unironically get a lawbringer with manstopper/scattershot and spam the alt shot,...
Was going to try autogun + melee but this sounds more fun
bitter turtle
Does twinned blast help with the smoke grenade pennace? or are the already "smok...
just play it normally
honestly
that one is very fast
you can try it though
twinned smokes tho 
the real suffering one is the krak one
thorn dragon
I know its an amazing ability but the voice of comman one was suffering for me. I just dont like the ability
thorn dragon
I just finished every Vet penance but the killshot ready penance and its 2500 ...
Kantreal mk 4 really does well into hordes and is ammo effcient
Its how I did mine
bitter turtle
it has a niche but not having dumdum is kinda bad
austere pine
and switch both perks?
idle swallow
both those perks are bad
bitter turtle
id toss and try again tbh
idle swallow
It's too bricked
austere pine
with how laspistol weak spot hits work, does ranged weak spot damage work well with it?
bitter turtle
with how laspistol weak spot hits work, does ranged weak spot damage work well w...
no
that perk is always
always useless
tall torrent
with how laspistol weak spot hits work, does ranged weak spot damage work well w...
No (no)
bitter turtle
the problem is how its calculated
and the low value
if it was something like +30% weakspot maybe
austere pine
i wasn't sure how it was calculated
bitter turtle
but 10 is just way too low
it works like this
if you do 100 dmg on a bodyshot
and 150 damage on a weakpoint
tall torrent
The only case where weakspot is useful is if it pushes you over major more breakpoints than other dmg perks would
tall torrent
Which is incredibly rare
austere pine
it's just 5
austere pine
from the weak spot damage
but like
doesn't laspistol get a lot of weak spot damage?
tall torrent
doesn't laspistol get a lot of weak spot damage?
Yes, but it’s not as good as actual +10% elite or +25% flak
split sapphire
Well the helbore can
tall torrent
Not nearly as good
split sapphire
Especially against elites
austere pine
yo can i STOP getting crits?
this is what we're working with on flak
i think i'm keeping the weak spot dmg and changing raking to dumdum and stamina to flak
split sapphire
Crit dmg. Is yellow, weakpoints are orange
split sapphire
I see
bitter turtle
doesn't laspistol get a lot of weak spot damage?
mine is doing 220/580 on weakspot hit
so weakspot dmg is only giving 35 extra dmg if you take it
another problem is you really do what flak and maniac
laspistol needs help against maniac
bitter turtle
you never shoot flamer/dreg rager? 🤔
austere pine
those i do but like
it's not that big of an issue imo
they're not terrible to get into melee range into
VRO WHY DOES BACKUP NEVER CHAT
JUST REACT
tall torrent
another problem is you really do what flak and maniac
Laspistol mk2 best perks are flak, unarmored & maniac
split sapphire
Well yes, tho i use like the Mk.8 braced autogun or Mk. 5 infantry autogun with a rending ranged build, or voc to melt em'
bitter turtle
Laspistol mk2 best perks are flak, unarmored & maniac
i had unarmored before
i didnt really like it
tall torrent
Mine has 25% maniac and 4% crit chance locked
bitter turtle
i think it makes no difference on dreg shotgunner
so its really just dreg gunner
but you have to shoot them like 3 times anyway so idk i dont really care about maybe droppign it to two
split sapphire
Who knows honestly
tall torrent
but you have to shoot them like 3 times anyway so idk i dont really care about m...
Fair
Mk10 is definitely unarmored + flak tho
austere pine
i think i'm horny for chain sword's chain saw noises when holding a heavy
tall torrent
At least flak is mandatory for mk10
bitter turtle
yeah i think mk10 can oneshot shotgunner with unarmored so i can see it more there
but i only ever use it as a revolver replacement in no ammo pick up mael lol
tall torrent
i think i'm horny for chain sword's chain saw noises when holding a heavy
I’m exact opposite I hate having to hear those loud chain noises whole game
tame lodge
i think i'm horny for chain sword's chain saw noises when holding a heavy
grr grr grr grr
split sapphire
With the chainsword, i sometimes enjoy using the special on certain enemies, then say. "Oh i'm srry i thought you were a tree!"
tame lodge
It don't bite
tall torrent
but i only ever use it as a revolver replacement in no ammo pick up mael lol
It can use a leg up for sure
austere pine
seems underwhelming unless i got out of my way to light spam a crusher
tall torrent
this good?
If you play this without mercy killer knife, you’re trolling
bitter turtle
(or bloodthirster III -> bloodthirster IV)
split sapphire
I have mercy killer knife
tall torrent
(or bloodthirster III -> bloodthirster IV)
Bloodletter
bitter turtle
bloodletter*
tall torrent
Bloodthirsty is guaranteed crit
split sapphire
Nor i
austere pine
what's a good 2 point dip?
tall torrent
bloodletter IV
bitter turtle
show your tree
tall torrent
Are u doing krak penance
bitter turtle
out for blood
demo team
redirect fire
austere pine
yes
tall torrent
Swap 8 stacks off for redirect fire as a start
There’re very few situations where 8 stacks is good for its investment
austere pine
but the monstrosities!
tall torrent
but the monstrosities!
Yea no sorry
bitter turtle
you shouldnt be holding stacks for focus
honestly its hard enough to hold 5 for monstro lul
split sapphire
Bruh
austere pine
man i miss shredder frag
tall torrent
It’s better to have a consistent 7.5% team wide dmg buff with good uptime +8% dmg on designated target, than once in a blue moon +32% dmg on a designated target
winter grove
austere pine
so much
bitter turtle
here's a tip
dont use it the way youre supposed to
find groups of scab shooters and bruisers
gorup them up
and throw flak into them
they count as armored enemies
lol
austere pine
"throw flak"
split sapphire
Anyways
bitter turtle
my brain not working today
austere pine
imma throw a flak plate at them noita style
winter grove
"throw flak"
Yes throw your god given armor
tall torrent
my brain not working today
The consequences of trying to finish loner backstab
tame lodge
Quick question
Are the twins Unyielding because they are bosses, carapace because they are beefy boys and lads or are they flak because moebian?
tall torrent
Quick question
Are the twins Unyielding because they are bosses, carapace becau...
Twins are flak / unarmored / carapace
bitter turtle
im doing assail/elite aura/EP togetrher right now
i know you said bb is better for EP
austere pine
Quick question
Are the twins Unyielding because they are bosses, carapace becau...
"boys and lads" is rinda not a person to you?
bitter turtle
but im finishing assail before i move to bb to finish EP
tame lodge
Twins are flak / unarmored / carapace
Unarmored?
tall torrent
Unarmored?
Dome parts are unarmored
austere pine
and wth does "being moebian" have to do with flak?
tall torrent
and shield too
I went back to bubble shield because I realized getting shot from above helps
split sapphire
The scabs are mostly flak, that's why
austere pine
@last parcel I SWEAR TO JOD I'M COMING FOR YOUR AHH
bitter turtle
supercharge to pcycler
austere pine
power cycler
bitter turtle
flak to carapace or unyielding (idk if unyielding is still good actually)
since they buffed bulwarks
tame lodge
"boys and lads" is rinda not a person to you?
I don't like her
tall torrent
flak to carapace or unyielding (idk if unyielding is still good actually)
No more unyielding
austere pine
i like rinda
gilded wraith
flak to carapace or unyielding (idk if unyielding is still good actually)
Thanks!
austere pine
scary
tall torrent
I think maniac + elite maybe
bitter turtle
or elite
gilded wraith
split sapphire
Yea
tame lodge
scary
Ahahaha, no Rinda don't pressure me in staying alive, taking your shield so I can revive my team
tall torrent
There’re quite a few weapons that benefit from elite perk
tame lodge
Thx for the answer btw
austere pine
actually i think rinda is considered to be dreg?
no, the other waay
rinda is a scab, rodin is dreg
tall torrent
Plasma
Zarona
Helbore (all 3)
Mk6 knife
Rashad
Mk6 power sword
Maybe mk4 chainsword too?
gilded wraith
Done
tall torrent
rinda is a scab, rodin is dreg
Both are scab
tame lodge
Weird
austere pine
they're all carapace, flak, unarmored and also void shield
man i've started reading dune
and from what i hear about the universe' fighting and combat, they have shields that stop fast moving projectiles
and with void shields stopping bullets well but take a lot of damage from melee, i see another similarity
tame lodge
Yeah, that's all I know lol
austere pine
do void shields function this way in lore, too, or is this purely a game balance thing?
something for lore chat to answer i guess
tall torrent
they're all carapace, flak, unarmored and also void shield
Void shield uses the same ADM as flak I believe
austere pine
adm?
tall torrent
Armor dmg modifier
austere pine
maybe, but whenever doing assassination and the captain's shield is up, you need to go melee
because your gun ain't doing much
no matter what it is
tall torrent
Yes because of the 0.5x ranged dmg modifier
Only one with 1x is rinda
U can burst her shield down with Columnus mk5 pretty fast
tame lodge
Hmmm that might be a good idea
midnight totem
has anybody done the gone quick penance for the excise vault?
bitter turtle
the
put all in within 5 seconds one?
no you probably need a premade for that
or to tell your qp pugs to coordinate
gray finch
has anybody done the gone quick penance for the excise vault?
i did it in auric damnation with randoms
tall torrent
just capsules
U just put all 3 capsules in within 5s of each other?
gray finch
U just put all 3 capsules in within 5s of each other?
5s from the first one you placed
tall torrent
5s from the first one you placed
Oh cool, thx
fallow fjord
uncanny or mercy killer on knife?
crude fiber
these have stopped tracking, are they bugged?
rare turret
Uncanny too good
last parcel
these have stopped tracking, are they bugged?
yes
last parcel
Uncanny too good
it's uncanny how good it is
rare turret
^
If I had a nickel for every time I said something was broke in this game
I'd have uh
Couple dollars at least...
rare turret
^
oblique totem
Back into the fray
crude fiber
if you have serrated blade talent and mercy killer + uncanny for mega dam
oblique totem
Any tips on getting that no hit by melee penance?
last parcel
shout at eretic
crude fiber
it only counts health damage i think so its not too bad
play safe, use a bunch of toughness regen talents and Voice of command spam
last parcel
the ole “fraggin loose cannon stole half my armor” chestplate
rapid palm
So, what blessings and perks do ya want on the foldable shovels?
last parcel
So, what blessings and perks do ya want on the foldable shovels?
general setup is
uncanny and thrust
carapace and something
thrust + carapace helps you oneshot crushers
last parcel
it’s not bad. i dont like losing stacks on a missed swing though
tall torrent
5s from the first one you placed
Do we need to press the button within those 5s too?
gray finch
no
gray finch
get 3 player to do it at the same time
bitter turtle
rip
gray finch
you need a help ?
bitter turtle
oh
stoic basalt
anyone got a good infiltrator build they willing to share?
stoic basalt
cool ty
bitter turtle
you can go smokes to asve points too
stoic basalt
yeah was gonna do that to start working on that Pennance
fallow fjord
Is weapons specialist good on a knife/revolver loadout? it seems good
I'm not there yet, just made my vet recently
bitter turtle
Is weapons specialist good on a knife/revolver loadout? it seems good
yes
oblique totem
We were doing great until a plague ogryn threw two of us over a ledge
oblique totem
the ole “fraggin loose cannon stole half my armor” chestplate
Left it behind on Cadia. Thought I could always go back for it.
hollow ibex
gotta say the new pox gas modifier on maelstrom feels terrible
sometiems it just drowns you in med stims
then there's like 20 minutes without any
oblique totem
Really feels like they just threw that one over a map without considering how it would affect balance
And, while I'm sure that is normally the case, this time it feels moreso
radiant chasm
it really just slows down groups unless your team has the toughness regen shit like chorus or VoC to pass through
biggest mistake I see is people prolonging their stay in the gas
oblique totem
You either have to wait for it to fade or rush through.
Most of the time only half of the team seems to agree on which is the correct choice
hollow ibex
lol yeah
but from what i've seen, the people that try to rush
most often end up getting bogged down in the gas and dying
oblique totem
Generally true in my experience, as you really don't want to rush into a place you can't see
radiant chasm
you basically need a person on VC with balls enough to make calls
which is me
sometimes it's worth rushing, like a bad daemonhost position or a good spot without gas past it
oblique totem
Communication? In this economy?
radiant chasm
oblique totem
Ah yes, the ancient and deadly martial art of dynamite throwing.
radiant chasm
of course you could just also have groups like ours where we have 2 voc vets, a chorus zealot, and a dome psyker with sanctuary
oblique totem
Yes, the immortal squad would solve that issue
radiant chasm
yea basically just nullifies the modifier
midnight totem
relatively low finesse, but keep the perks and rebless with your choice of
its worth using
molten hound
yeah its like a 10% lower crit multiplier
actually no
less than
yeah this things fine
totally fine
blissful flame
i'm actually really starting to like the hevier laspistol
might swap raking for dumdum or something
midnight totem
thats a good pistol
blissful flame
and i'm liking the playstyle i lean into with it. got a trusty axe that isn't too bad for crowds, and if i catch sight of a special or elite, its not too hard to whip the pistol out, zap it quick, and swap back
umbral scaffold
not recommended, but i love this thing
fallow fjord
wow. the -90 priority node for stealth is strong. I was wailing on a rager's back for the whole duration and he completely ignored me. fully passive.
oblique totem
Best way to not get hit
junior needle
not recommended, but i love this thing
13g is a very good chaffe clearer
If you wanted to optimize you'd just swap out devastating for wrath and change one of the perks
split sapphire
May just try and get a headhunter autogun and try a crit build against the weakened monsters Maelstrom
I'm curious
junior needle
Shred is actually surprisingly good on chainswords due to how their crit damage interacts with cleave
split sapphire
Always loved that
junior needle
Perfectly fine, the blessings both need changing though
You want uncanny + something else
Ideally you want flak as a perk but that's for next time
Precog, riposte, and mercy killer (if you don't mind the talent tax) are generally regarded as the best second blessing options for vet
bitter turtle
relatively low finesse, but keep the perks and rebless with your choice of
maniac is a useless perk on knife sadly
but its usable ig
bronze trout
What would you guys swap out on this?
umbral scaffold
id say if you like shooting the plasma stick to it
umbral scaffold
Shred is actually surprisingly good on chainswords due to how their crit damage ...
you are right about wrath btw
midnight totem
maniac is a useless perk on knife sadly
Isn't it useful for mutie oneshots?
austere badger
So uh, what's everyone doing to get kills at 10+ stacks of the bottom left keystone?
midnight totem
Well
hollow ibex
use high rate of fire weapons and shoot into hordes
midnight totem
The way I got it
Get stacks, however you can
I tried iags, plasma, revolver
All worked pretty well
Anyway, get stacks, then stand by a spawn door and camp it with your melee
Also toss frag grenades into hordes while at max stacks
I think the fastest method for me was to take the camouflage extra node
Grabbed my power sword and crabwalked after hordes
Vigil Station was very good for it
sage token
How do I unbrick this thing?
rigid pilot
speedload and critchance are not the worst
but to have a proper zarona you usually need handcannon and surgical
sage token
yeah, i feel that
rigid pilot
i hate fishing for crits using zarona because of how long it needs to reload
and i need that crusher to die when i whip it out
rapid palm
tbh melee is the way to go against crushers these days
sage token
the one ive been running has 4's on both of those, and its fucks, but while everything ielse is 76%+, but damage is 68%
rapid palm
but against everything else the revolver kicks ass
rigid pilot
i usually run handcannon zarona so i can run other melees like dclaw
ofc if you run the meta melees you can do anything with your ranged slot
sage token
what ive been running so far, along with a mostly support/shout vet
rapid palm
I have a perfect power sword I just need to get power cycler 4 to put on it
rigid pilot
with peesword you can afford to run a fun speedload zarona
rapid palm
and sense getting power cycler 4 is a pain in the ass im just waiting untill melk rolls one and working on building a shovel instead
sage token
I'll give it a shot once before I put surg/precision on it
rapid palm
I do try not to be a slave to the meta too much, but I do make sure each build and loadout I make, for any class, can deal with any type of enemy (aside from bosses) without outside help
sage token
I just thought of something
speedloader/handcannon?
rapid palm
could work on zealot if your running fury, but ya do kinda need a blessing that helps you crit when running it on vet
austere badger
Anyway, get stacks, then stand by a spawn door and camp it with your melee
I must have speed read it but you don't need to use ranged hits? 😂
dusk jacinth
last parcel
bro's drippin like the sweat off my balls
blissful flame
took that heavy pistol i linked earlier on my first heresy level mission since i took a break a few months ago. went just fine
oblique totem
Good job
blissful flame
so i definitely like the gun, plus i think what rust i had has been shaken off lol
stoic basalt
how'd you get a long sword?
blissful flame
ther's a mod that lets you swap visual pieces of weapons around, it's likely that
lavish solar
Finally got a good one, what to do with perks?
stoic basalt
prolly would be for Zealot tho
lavish solar
Im a bit tempted to switch unyielding to carapace for 2 shot on maulers and crushers, but not sure how much of a benefit that really provides
idle carbon
who the hell took the photo for my ID
lavish solar
who the hell took the photo for my ID
I think that’s an accurate depiction of what happens after you take a mauler chainaxe to the head lmao
Like half of it is just gone
grim widget
so this is pretty good right. slap headtaker iv and then should i do manic or hsould i do flak in place of the melee crit hit
@trim steppe
grizzled pebble
Flak imo. You should be able to kill mutie with a heavy special without maniac
grim widget
im in meatgrinder. damnation level the heavy special one hits every single thing on weakspot
lavish solar
Flak imo. You should be able to kill mutie with a heavy special without maniac
Any thoughts on perk choice for the ps I posted? I’m kinda lost rn
inland orchid
Perks look pretty cool imo
lavish solar
Been testing in the meatgrinder and didn’t find anything super useful. If I take carapace I get to 2shot maulers and crushers instead of 3shot, if I take unarmored I get to 1shot dreg gunners and shotgunners (not really useful but hey you never know)
With unyielding obviously it’s better against bosses but other than that it feels a bit niche
bitter turtle
Finally got a good one, what to do with perks?
remove flak
maniac gives you a mutant oneshot with the stab poke
i suggest that
lavish solar
So keep unyielding?
inland orchid
Unyieldin do be on ogryns
bitter turtle
the bulwark buff removed the bulwark 2 shot
but
it still gives boss damage
flak doesnt really do a whole lot imo
lavish solar
True
lavish solar
flak doesnt really do a whole lot imo
I think the main thing it’s doing for me is 1shot scab gunners and shotgunners (not sure about dreg melee guy)
So yeah… not that much if you think about it
lavish solar
you cant oneshot shotgunners and gunners?
With the +flak perk I can
Not sure if I remove it
grizzled pebble
Can you 1 shot scab gunner with your current build? Flak should let you do that unless you're gonna shoot them anyway.
Do you use melee more than shoot?
lavish solar
Can you 1 shot scab gunner with your current build? Flak should let you do that ...
Scab gunner is 1 shot currently
bitter turtle
i can od it with the stab
but
ig if you want to be able to light swing oneshot them
keep it
unyielding isnt that great anymore either tbh
just switch one to maniac
lavish solar
Do you use melee more than shoot?
Honestly so far I’ve been shooting more, but I’ve also been eyeing melee centered builds recently and want to give it a try
bitter turtle
or
actually
you can do elite as well
if you want an easier crusher 2 shot
you can do it without the perk
grizzled pebble
Mk6 has huge monster damage and its a 25% perk. It's tough right now
bitter turtle
but it takes more pts on the tree
lavish solar
Fair point
grizzled pebble
Either way personally I'd change 1 to maniac tbh. 1 shot poke mutie and 2 shots dreg ragers.
umbral rock
flak doesnt really do a whole lot imo
i very strongly disagree. bonus damage to Flak and Maniac are the 2 most used perks last I checked because that accounts for most of the most dangerous enemies in the game
grizzled pebble
Probably keep flak to 2 shot scab rager
bitter turtle
ok
you can keep unyielding
if you take
ogryn damage
you can still 2 shot
i think
bitter turtle
i very strongly disagree. bonus damage to Flak and Maniac are the 2 most used p...
its a power sword
the flak is not doing anything on most enemies bc you already oneshot them
grizzled pebble
You can 2 shot scab rager with 10% elite. That's why maniac and elite are very good but you don't have the option for that
bitter turtle
if your psword cant kill dreg bruiser to activate bromentum
then the stats must be really bad
his is fine
better than fine actually
maulers you should be headshotting with the 2 hit stab ocmbo
so its not going to be flak, you're hitting carapace
the rule of thumb is flaniac because they are common enemy types, but that does not mean flaniac goes on every single weapon
there is a reason to take things
umbral rock
yes but you said "flak doesn't do much imo" so I was disagreeing because as a perk generally I think it's crazy to say flak doesn't do much
grizzled pebble
Check now with your sword. 25% unyielding I think can let you 2 shot bulwark with poke overhead
bitter turtle
unyielding should still be good
i can hit 2shot
ye
i thought someone said it doesnt work anymore
so i assumed
but i just checked
i'd keep unyielding and drop flak then 100%
lavish solar
Check now with your sword. 25% unyielding I think can let you 2 shot bulwark wit...
Pretty sure it does
bitter turtle
bulwarks are fucking annoying
grizzled pebble
Yeah so it depends on what enemy you want to 2 shots now.
lavish solar
I’ll need to actually not suck and avoid the shield
grizzled pebble
Scab rager or bulwark.
lavish solar
But if I do land headshots it’s 2 shot
umbral rock
or just bring kraks
bitter turtle
Scab rager or bulwark.
the push attack combo should 2 shot ragers regardless
grizzled pebble
Yeah but ragers come in pack. Better to light special to cleave multiple
bitter turtle
if they come in a pack then you're n ot going to 2 shot any of them
esp since he is not using sunder
lavish solar
I always felt like push attack ragers is a bit risky as it has literally no stagger and turns to a bit of a pissing contest between me and the ranger
bitter turtle
the slash is going to be no better
if that's the case
frankly the first option against ragers is your gun anyway
lavish solar
esp since he is not using sunder
Which is really unfortunate by the way, I’m big sunder enjoyer xd
bitter turtle
but running into 3 ragers spamming horizontal lights is going to be bad
i dont think you should take flak to make that marginally better
its not going to 2 shot them either way
grizzled pebble
I will test
bitter turtle
bm is good fo rhordes
remember
bm doesnt actually
do much
if you dont oneshot
lavish solar
Sunder is like brain dead against heavy armor
bitter turtle
you can easily oneshot dreg and scab bruisers
which makes bm really good for mincing horde
but you cant oneshot rager
or mauler
or whatever
so bm doesnt really do much
sunder makes you cleave those a lot more efficiently
lavish solar
It cleaves through quite literally everything and staggers them which gives me a bit of time and space to un-panic myself
bitter turtle
so its
bm -> u can mince lesser hordes really fast
sunder -> you're better against packs of elites
lavish solar
What’s the opinion on slaughter now? I think at some point it was really good but not sure if it fell off more recently or something
umbral scaffold
i have an impact spade that keeps me at 100 in auric
bitter turtle
What’s the opinion on slaughter now? I think at some point it was really good bu...
slaughterer and rampage are both basically just worse than sunder and BM now
no reason to use them
other than you have to because your sword rolled them and its the only way to salvage it
stoic basalt
slaughter and rampage are dead?
bitter turtle
maybe dead is not the right word
they are usable
if you have to
but they are not the best choices no
late hatch
no longer BIS
stoic basalt
damn, maybe thats why my runs have felt harder as a Vet
bitter turtle
they didnt get nerfed
bromentum just got reworked
and its now better
here
slaughterer at max stacks still leaves 2 alive
bromentum is clean 4 kill
sage token
yeah thats pretty alright tbh
cant say i really care for the extra stamina, but the bonus 5% crit chance on top of my existing crit chance is good
bitter turtle
you mgiht need to take ogryn damage on the tree
if you want to 2 shot crushers
since you dont have elite or carapace
sage token
yeah ive got that one to make up for the loss of that
bitter turtle
ye then i tshould be fine
lavish solar
you mgiht need to take ogryn damage on the tree
Luckily I do usually take that node
bitter turtle
the only thing you really miss out on is bodyshot crit rager
sage token
ive gotta spend a little more time than i like focusing down one crusher than I like, but the additional damage over my previous one definitely is helping
bitter turtle
by not getting maniac+elite
tall torrent
Zarona is just a very unfortunate 3/4 roll weapon
Plasma is like a 2/4 weapon in terms of roll
sage token
this build isnt exactly good for generating toughness on melee kills, but it is for getting back my shout
bitter turtle
Zarona is just a very unfortunate 3/4 roll weapon
by the way
i tried the shotgunner thing
im just a dumbass
i was thinking fo the flak ones lol
tbh im using laspis so im usually shooting them anyway
sage token
i honestly cant get around the delay between the click and the firing of plasma
that slight delay has gotten me fucked so many times, plus my habitual reloading and then sitting through what is probably the longest reload sequence of any gun ive ever seen in any game ever
bitter turtle
is prob why i didnt remember why
tall torrent
Mk6 knife? Yea
lavish solar
i honestly cant get around the delay between the click and the firing of plasma
...
True
tall torrent
i honestly cant get around the delay between the click and the firing of plasma
...
Street sweeper in cod is longer
lavish solar
I used to be okay with not reloading the plasma too frequently
sage token
just wish vet still had the auto reload perk
lavish solar
Then I started playing psyker and pressing r to vent heat becomes second nature
And now every time I take up plasma I automatically hit R every time I want to cool it down a bit 
Not good
last parcel
relatable
tiny summit
when you're 99/100 on a lmg
wind schooner
Which one is better
wind schooner
Does cleave damage matter less?
wanton dawn
If you go BM yeah, matters less. If you go sunder meh
finesse is more important than cleave stats
wind schooner
I was gonna go sunder ye
wanton dawn
Finesse is still better than cleave dmg
wind schooner
Aiight
iron marten
I have like 54 cleave damage and 60 cleave targets on mine, and my powersword still mows down a horde
dreamy scaffold
ok so in the beginning of a character the ideal way to play is keeping weapons blue or below, and earning blessings from guns you arent gonna use yeah? and not worrying about making an actual build until you hit max rank
agile forge
And now every time I take up plasma I automatically hit R every time I want to c...
Sprint or QQ cancel before it's too late lol
agile forge
ok so in the beginning of a character the ideal way to play is keeping weapons b...
To an extent
agile forge
would be a damned shame if i bricked it no?
I sense a native power cycler 4 in your future
torn root
ha!
im just gunna keep this one for shits and giggles
not trying to get gassed by the shark
last parcel
i'll brick yuor pipi
last parcel
lamp
oblique totem
Not the lamp that concerns me
dreamy scaffold
my question?
oblique totem
Nope, your question was a fair one.
trail totem
worth the koins?
half badge
worth the koins?
damn
good stuff
guys ill be pleased to say i have 100 krak kills left
wanton dawn
Hello old clipping friend !
grand perch
worth the koins?
its not terrible but not ideal either. not something id grab if i was short on itchy and scratchy melk coins
iron marten
Hello old clipping friend !
The trickery of the warp
grizzled pebble
If you have 100% all stats mk6 p sword and 25% unyielding with speed stim you can do the funny on bonbon. Xd
pallid jetty
ah, yes, fast killing bosses videos that will almost never take place in an actual match 
wanton dawn
Managed to kick a speedrun zealot in QP, felt nice
grizzled pebble
ah, yes, fast killing bosses videos that will almost never take place in an actu...
Tbf with stealth you can get 2 combos in against bonbon reliably.
lilac eagle
Why in the Hell is the nickname for the beast of nurgle fuuucking 'Bonbon'
pallid jetty
same, 1st time seeing this
lilac eagle
I mean, I rate it. Its hilarious lol, but why tho
iron silo
grizzled pebble
You never heard of bonbon?
lilac eagle
Give me all the nicknames
Beast of Nurgle is Bonbon, who is the Plague Ogyrn and Chaos Spawn?
lilac eagle
Ah, so they get progressively lazier
lilac eagle
Except Bonbon, which we've established is its acronym twice because its funny
So where the fuck are the funni names for the other guys
wanton dawn
Nah, bonbon was just the above pysker being quirky
lilac eagle
Y'all creativity disappoints me
grizzled pebble
RIP sustain fire I still miss you. 
lilac eagle
Holy shit never have I wanted something more than the lasgun sight on a bolter
That looks sick af
bitter turtle
weapon customization mod
half badge
Weapon specialist good?
In the talents?
I've always kinda wanted to try it considering it's mix up?
pseudo fiber
Yeah weapon specialist is good
bitter turtle
I've always kinda wanted to try it considering it's mix up?
yes
its probably the strongest one tbh
the caveat is your ranged weapon has to utilize it well
not all weapons take advantage of the buffs on it
spiral ferry
Finally reached Veteran Lv.30 🤣
sonic shale
its probably the strongest one tbh
mid one has really good utility, specialist is good by itself with specific melee and ranged weapons
bitter turtle
mid one has really good utility, specialist is good by itself with specific mele...
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middle one is just ok in terms of how much it does for a weapon
with redirect fire you an d always tagging with 2 stacks you can consider it something like a 15% dmg boost always and it works with any build
that's the main benefit, the fact that it works on literally any weapon
weapons that can abuse weapon specialist see much bigger gains though
with wep special
sonic shale
fair, i think of it as toughness and stamina regen tool mostly
cause its really consistent
bitter turtle
you wouldnt see such a massive gain in dps from focus target for any gun
its nice that it works for everything but as a result the buff is just not going to be as signfiicant
and that video is ignoring how much the attackspeed and dodge bonuses boost a lot of melee weapons
which is frankly the bigger part of the keystone tbh
the melee portion I mean
sonic shale
yes, the only ranged weapon that really likes it is stub revolver imo
bitter turtle
no
v3 is really good with it
plasma is usable as well
laspistol also likes it if you can stand the clicking
v7 theoretically would like it (but lacks the points to take it because it requires so many dmg up nodes to hit bps)
sonic shale
laspistol shoots too fast for it imo
bitter turtle
mk10
or full auto mod for mk 2 :^)
tbf i was doing it with mk2 without the mod for a while
but my fingers started hurting LOL
that's just a physical human limiation though
the gun itself greatly enjoys the buffs
as i said, its more narrow in which weapons can enjoy the benefits, but the ones that see much greater gains than focus target
and it doesnt help that melee focus vet honestly is prob the best way to play vet rn imo
oh yeah, shotguns can use it very well too
sonic shale
maybe, a lot of weapons also have long swap animations which is a bit clunk for specialist
bitter turtle
albiet they're rather niche guns
wdym a lot
its just bolter and hbs
you can circumvent it with tech for bolter too btw
sonic shale
ik
sonic shale
but the faster the animation the more consistent procs you can get in melee
bitter turtle
the tech is really gud if you can make it consistent
crude fiber
Just buff weapon specialist to remove equip time
bitter turtle
yes
the animation tech makes bolter swap as fast as other weapons
again i wouldnt suggest wep specialist for bolter either way but yeah
js
but most guns dont have a slow swap
just bolter and helbore
weirdly plasma has a fast swap too for whatever reason
sonic shale
its not slow, but with how fast revolvers are you can proc the specialist while in melee
bitter turtle
yes
that's
kinda the idea
for any gun that uses it
idk what you mean
like are yous aying laspistol or v3 have slow swaps?
idk
sonic shale
i mean that since it is the fastest one others are just not as nice to use
bitter turtle
im legit confused
sonic shale
laspistol doesnt always kill something
bitter turtle
i think u need to use wep specialist with other guns in practice to see how it works, it synergizes really well
i dont know what you mean by
sonic shale
i tried most
bitter turtle
it swaps too slow to fully take advantage of it
sonic shale
didnt try new laspistol tho
bitter turtle
laspistol swaps basically asf ast as volver
honestly
i cant even tell a speed diff for v3 and volver swap speed
sonic shale
the old one has a bit low damage imo, i dont trust myself with getting a kill instantly
crude fiber
Not too bad with anything besides helbor and bolter, just pop a few shots off real quick and swap back
bitter turtle
this is unironically a skill issue ngl
sonic shale
true
bitter turtle
the mk2 las is a top tier gun
imo
or at least A if not S
you just have to hit heads
ghost makes you range immune and melee enemies cant catch up with how fast you are
really easy to pick stuff off with it
since ur basically under no pressure
sonic shale
i only trust builds where i have to get headshots with ranged focus, hectic melee is usualy too risky for me
though if you don't have issues with that then yes laspistol and lasgun are probably really amazing
bitter turtle
you dont headshot with your melee weapon?
sonic shale
ofc i do, especially with axe
bitter turtle
well
yeah ig if you dont headshot with laspis it is not very good
becoming immune to gunfire is a big draw for it
not to much big finesse modifiers
sonic shale
i like running ghost with the 3 shot headhunter
bitter turtle
that doesnt really change wep special though
if anything
it will help make up the lower dps even more
lul
trim hemlock
This description lmao
meanwhile, the vest:
I like how this looks, though
Fine-ish
Finesse is the dump stat unfortunately, but it's far from unusuable
If there's any difference in marks of one weapon, it's moveset
Mk6 has 2 horizontal heavies before a strikedown heavy, making it have a different and/or more efficient way of killing hordes (and sometimes other targets)
Mk6 also has all identical light attacks, which fall at different angles than that of Mk3s, whereas Mk3 has one light attack in chain, which has a slightly better damage profile (the stab)
Mk6 having these 2 horizontal heavies makes it viable for Haymaker to do something, as they have 6.5 cleave (can cleave through 2/3 scab/dreg bruisers), albeit how valuable is that is a bit ambiguous
You have some options for customising it, that's for sure
Haymaker is a meme, but it can be an effective meme (it will mostly help you with swarm clearing, but even then other blessings might be better for that role)
Otherwise, consider swapping Stamina and Haymaker off for something else.
Uncanny Strike should stay, it's the best blessing Combat blades have by far
And if you want to lean into Haymaker meme, then at least change the Stamina perk and keep one change open
BIS perks for Combat blades are technically Maniac and Unyielding, IIRC
I don't judge
midnight totem
Haymaker works all the time until it doesn't
dire olive
half badge
Anyone a helbore enjoyer
What does a good helbore look stat wise?
An blessings
So maybe falter an no respite?
idle swallow
This is the ideal veteran body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
half badge
With the stagger chance dmg?
idle swallow
Anyone a helbore enjoyer
Which mk helbore you looking to do
mk2 is fastest shooting, mk3 is slowest shooting but highest damage, mk1 is inbetween
half badge
Which mk helbore you looking to do
Mk2
I'm a mk2 enjoyer
No I mean the blessings
For a good build
idle swallow
You want surgical and either no respite or sustained fire or weight of fire (I don't use weight of fire cuz it charges fast enough at base)
idle swallow
Onslaught was renamed to weight of fire for some reason
Probably already used somewhere else
bitter turtle
BIS perks for Combat blades are technically Maniac and Unyielding, IIRC
Maniac is useless
half badge
Okay yea so speed and crit?
untold mulch
This is the ideal veteran body. You may not like it, but this is what peak perfo...
Peak
bitter turtle
If you're referring to number cat guide
midnight totem
Onslaught is used for the node
trim hemlock
If you're referring to number cat guide
I may be. Why is it redundant, then?
bitter turtle
Changes no bps
You one-shot flamers regardless
Mutants are 2 shots or 1 crit shot
trim hemlock
Well, figures, but then, what else would that other perk go to?
half badge
An in terms of stats? Does dmg apply to this?
idle swallow
Okay yea so speed and crit?
Yep get surgical and shock trooper and optionally deadshot for all the ammo refund
bitter turtle
Too far to make maniac do something
half badge
And what does stopping power do?
bitter turtle
Unyielding, elite, carapace, flak, unarmored all do something
It's not that strict on what you take
But maniac uniquely just doesn't really change much
midnight totem
stopping power is damage
half badge
Charge rate is speed?
bitter turtle
Carapace and elite help on 3 shot crushers, unyielding helps 3 shot bulwark, elite can do both but it depends on talent tree, I think you need ogryn dmg
Unarmored helps 1 shot dreg shotgunner and hordes
idle swallow
You want damage, stopping power and charge speed to be as high as they can for helbores, the other two stats can be lower
bitter turtle
Tbh I'm not sure what flak does but at least it helps in dreg bruisers so it's something lel
idle swallow
Also yeah try to get unarmored damage as one of the perks for a mk2 helbore
lavish solar
Sprint or QQ cancel before it's too late lol
True lol
rare echo
Should I change both perk or change 1 perk and replace Surgical 3 -> 4?
midnight totem
nah, replace both perks
rare echo
to what?
bitter turtle
Should I change both perk or change 1 perk and replace Surgical 3 -> 4?
Maniac elite
Congrats you have a mostly optimal revolver
Outside of surgical III
The main bps it gives is 2 shot crit BP on crushers and 1 shot crit BP on maniac bodyshots
Ragers can be annoying to headshot so the qol for that is very relevant
Not that there's really anything else to take anyway
rare echo
The main bps it gives is 2 shot crit BP on crushers and 1 shot crit BP on maniac...
bp? what is BP?
agile forge
Breakpoint
rare echo
oh thanks
agile forge
It's a concept important for high damage/low RoF or low ammo weapons
rose reef
how useful are the smoke grenades fellow guards
bitter turtle
They're pretty good now imo
Shredder > smokes > krak is how I'd rank them
Smokes have the benefit of being right next to some great nodes too
10 percent melee
Agile engagement
rare echo
do Zarona break point the same on Vet, Zea, Psy?
bitter turtle
do Zarona break point the same on Vet, Zea, Psy?
It probably changes because the bps are based on taking certain talents on the tree
rose reef
the smokes seem amazing i was stuck on krak for a while but trying the others now
bitter turtle
I don't really know about zel or psyk revolver so you'd have to try them or ask the channels yourself sadly
bitter turtle
the smokes seem amazing i was stuck on krak for a while but trying the others no...
Krak is mostly kinda niche because a lot of weapons can kill armor now
And in crusher packs, killing 2 or 3 out of 10 of them doesn't really solve your problems
I'd tell you to try shredder frags too, they are really really strong
shadow aurora
Kraks are still decent for ammo conservation
bitter turtle
2 shredder frags thrown in quick succession kills everything short of maulers and ogryns in a massive area
shadow aurora
But yeah shredders are better
bitter turtle
And it knocks ogryns down so you can just poke them to death in melee without worrying about retaliation
hollow ibex
ngl i still find teammates that use smoke annoying
shadow aurora
Tbh i dont think ive actually seen people use smoke in my games
Literally ever
I have a couple days play time
bitter turtle
They don't do direct killing and they were once much worse
It takes a bit of finesse to use it so ppl shy away
After multiple buffs now it basically is a psyker bubble now though
agile forge
Treat it like psyker bubble
short wigeon
I only really used them until I got the penance for them done
hollow ibex
and was wishing the entire time i brought frags lol
hollow ibex
or even kraks tbh
bitter turtle
The killing power is insane
hollow ibex
yeah frags still my favorite
bitter turtle
I absolutely detest using kraks thougj
They honestly feel useless
Outside of monstro but that's just me ig
rose reef
i used kraks for so long amazing for bauses maulers and crushers
how come you hate them
hollow ibex
can help relieve pressure when there's a crusher horde, along with everything else
bitter turtle
It's nice against a lone crusher sure
But a lone crusher you can just melee to death
hollow ibex
i find that lone crushers tend to get deleted
bitter turtle
In a pack or them, they have like no aoe
hollow ibex
before krak even goes off lol
shadow aurora
But a lone crusher you can just melee to death
Depends on the weapon
hollow ibex
krak is funny against bosses
rose reef
^
bitter turtle
It can but they have to squeeze together due to terrain
I'm not saying it's impossible but it is definitely not reliable
rose reef
i'll give you that its less reliable
bitter turtle
Either way, killing a few crusher when 10 are walking at u doesn't really help
The main fear is
Not really the crusher or buleark
But the enemies behind
Some random ass trapper netting u using them as a shield
Or bombers chucking tox bomb or flames from behind
shadow aurora
Trying to dodge overheads while being beat up by poxxies
bitter turtle
Can quickly make things go bad
So instead
If u took frags
You throw two
All crushers are knocked down
And every specialist and elite gunner or whatever in like a 25m radius is dead
short wigeon
Kraks have like a 5m aoe, it’s not much but if you can manipulate the enemy’s positioning well enough you can easily cluster several maulers and or crushers with just one well timed krak.
bitter turtle
Yeah I'm not saying that is impossible
But like
If it's a tenuous situation
You don't wanna say
OK let me drag them into terrain and then kill them
You want to solve the problem now
You know what I mean?
short wigeon
I run it them with VoC so it’s fairly easy for me to get some breathing room
bitter turtle
If voc is up you need neither
Just kd them and poke them to death with your pee sword or knife or whatever
rose reef
she is complete
Inquisitorial Permissions that allow me to hold a power sword my beloved....
rose reef
NAH
agile forge
go on. ruin it.
rose reef
UR CRAZY
bitter turtle
That would be so sad
rose reef
bitter turtle
Even worse if you haven't already gotten pcycler iv in your blessing library
agile forge
bitter turtle
Lose cycler iv and brick the sword in a single move
tall torrent
Kraks have like a 5m aoe, it’s not much but if you can manipulate the enemy’s po...
5m blast radius, but the full dmg only has 2m radius
iron marten
damn, Power DI counts Bayonet Damage as ranged damage, lmao
last parcel
anime fan gooner 
umbral scaffold
did they brick vet ?
liek thoughness ?
cuz i was using voice of comamand and have been fine before but i switched to other build the moment i get into melee im dead bruh
gg
oh wrong chat
we lost
was trying new builds other than plasma plus shout and its,,... disapointing tbf
vld recon build is fine i guess but its ammo hungry if you use it on smaller guys or miss shots
iron marten
try rashad/revolver/wep spec and just clean house
umbral scaffold
normally my build is hold on
bitter turtle
Infiltrate makes you really safe and gives full toughness
Unless you've been relying hard on yellow toughness from voc
Should keep you alive just fine
umbral scaffold
Unless you've been relying hard on yellow toughness from voc
nah i was using the excuter stance with that new build i made never touching that shit gave me beta ptsd
bitter turtle
Well expect to be squishy with exec
Ur dropping the strongest defensive skill in the game (voc) for one with no defensive utility
Just gotta get used to it if you wanna play exec
hollow ibex
exec stance is mostly for the memes
umbral scaffold
@bitter turtle this is what i main usually and it feels okay to play ig that is compared to anything else ive been trying out
