veteran-class

[somber axle]

but it's just going to make you start watching yourself and others too closely

[junior needle]

That's probably just the servers

A lot of people have been complaining about that lately

[hollow turtle]

Actually.. I think there's a genuine pattern file for that kind of look for the cloak..

[somber axle]

I return to monke

I return to head empty no thoughts

[arctic rampart]

I think scoreboard is weird for me if i open it in game.. so I never do that anymore. I just got the 101 basic scoreboard though

[somber axle]

I return to no Scoreboard no mods just vanilla interface

and I continue my clown dance

ANYWAY GATTSU

[junior needle]

Could also be it is the issue and just needs to be updated

But it shouldn't have those issues assuming things are running properly

[arctic rampart]

anyone using 537.58 or we using near latest nvidia drivers? just curious what everyone is doing for performance. I had to turn off some shineys and DX12 stuff to get it reasonable

[shell lagoon]

It's just weird to me that recons have such a low weak spot mod, they're lasguns shouldnt they have one of the highest

[junior needle]

Finesse mods has nothing to do with weapon type

It's more developer whims

[shell lagoon]

hmm

[junior needle]

Iag's have insane finesse mods for example

Super high

Despite being automatics

[shell lagoon]

I know that's what i'm comparing it to

[tall torrent]

Shouldn’t 20% ogryn dmg already fix that

[gilded wraith]

Speaking of numbers, anyone have the numbers on agripinaa slug?

[junior needle]

Are you aware of how weakspot/crit damage work in this game?

[shell lagoon]

Kind of

But i'm basing it off of the breakdown in the game menu when you press E in menu

[faint beacon]

Positive its 4600 cause I'd consistently when doing my Krak penance have Bulwarks be left with 200 to spare

unless you're running Grenade Tinkerer

that should kill

[shell lagoon]

I'm assuming everything else scales off of that base modifier

[tall torrent]

[junior needle]

I'm talking about the stats from perks or the talent tree (or rarely blessings). Only applies to the bonus damage of the weakspot/crit and not the whole hit.

[shell lagoon]

Yeahhhh i noticed that when testing

its weird

[junior needle]

It's dumb and should be changed

So many new players get trapped by that

[faint beacon]

Gaslight the obesefish devs into buffing the recon

even though it needs it

[junior needle]

They cannot be convinced

Only nerfs allowed

They are presumably getting reworked and nothing will be happening until then

[faint beacon]

We only nerf in this household

[tall torrent]

Tbh precision strikes is just a very generalist good talent

And my hot take is that suppression immunity should be veteran baseline anyways

[faint beacon]

Tbh I wouldn't mind if they reworked how the recons are different from eachother

I'd love a burst lasgun

[somber axle]

To Successfully Perform the Clown Dance with the Recon Mk VId You Need:

1. Onslaught, Rending Strikes, Duck and Dive, Deadshot, Shock Trooper, Focus Target, Target Down, Executioner's Stance, Shredder Frag Grenades
   You NEED all of these things because the build is very tight on talent points and to deviate from even just Onslaught to save talent points to put elsewhere drastically reduces your damage and time to kill on Crushers

2. You need three stam curios (for a total +9 stam) to maximize Deadshot efficiency with such a fast-firing rapid gun, Duck and Dive while frontline dodging enemy shooters to regen stam, Focus Target + Target Down constant pinging and killing to regen stam, and you will STILL often find that in longer engagements you will need to alternate into hip-fire to allow stam to regen so this requires an insane amount of extra effort on stamina management

3. Because you are using three stam curios, you are not using any toughness or HP curios. So you must play literally perfectly with dodging, blocking, shoving, positioning, target priority, awareness, etc. or you will die because your bones are made of glass and your skin is made of paper. This may sound silly because I told you to literally put yourself on the frontline and you would be CORRECT. It IS SILLY!

4. Even despite all this silliness a Columnus Infantry Autogun is still going to do better damage than you and at best you're doing damage to most** targets with a similar TTK but the Recon Mk VId struggles on monstrosity damage (bosses) and TTK on mutants (unless you grab Maniac damage instead of Flak or Carapace like I do) and even if you grab +Maniac damage on a Recon Mk VId to help with Maniac damage TTK you will still kill them slower than a CIAG.

[faint beacon]

thats just me

[junior needle]

I agree

[somber axle]

if that was too long didn't read

do not do what I do

[junior needle]

Precision is more a good pickup because it applies to everything you do and does so at 3x the value of the perk

[somber axle]

because you must put on clown shoes and be willing to do your best clown dance to make the Recon do what I can make it do

my shoes jingle where I walk and that's why I can dance with this gun in front of Nurgle

[junior needle]

But in the case of recawns, you're generally better off with suppression immunity

[faint beacon]

I mean the fact you have to run full Stam on a gun just to make it better makes me deeply depressed

[junior needle]

Assuming you aren't doing the jingle jangle jingle someone else is so fond of

[somber axle]

Yes that's me

You're probably wondering how I got here

idk

but it is funny being here

anyway my point after all this explaining is

Recons can perform fine in higher difficulties but require an unrealistic amount of effort from a player to do so

Player a Recon using my talent build in higher difficulties at your own risk

[faint beacon]

^ Hence why it needs positive changes

[somber axle]

Other people have tried to play like me and lost sanity over it LOL

[junior needle]

Effort and talent tree handholding, yep

[faint beacon]

Keep in mind I said positive

we dont need another recon nerf

lmao

[arctic rampart]

I wish recons were close. I use it once every couple months and I get so pissed off how underwhelming it is I immediately stop after 1 game

[junior needle]

Crit strings are likely getting removed down the line

[tall torrent]

A big problem for veteran (exclusively veteran, yes) is that some weapons are just point tax hell

[arctic rampart]

Why use that garbage when 3 weapons are just elite better.. plasma, IAG (more than 1), zerona.. just better

[shell lagoon]

Don't recon lasguns have a higher base crit chance?

[junior needle]

So I imagine quite a few weapons will be getting minor overhauls of stats

[arctic rampart]

I wish I could use recon and not get angry lul

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with that as long as the performance gain is actually worth the point investment

[shell lagoon]

than autoguns for example

[junior needle]

Not generally. They used to have -2 but now they have +2.

[faint beacon]

You basically cant really build your build around Blank playstyle with some of the weapons, you have to build it around that one weapon

thats usually how it goes

[junior needle]

Oh for autoguns, all other automatics have -2

[arctic rampart]

I even like the laspistol 2 better than recon .. its sad

[junior needle]

so yes

[waxen veldt]

What blessing should I look for on a MGXII btw?

[faint beacon]

Im used to it! that's why I have a mod that gives me a bunch of Slots for builds

[wanton dawn]

Note that crit is very, very strong on autoguns. Especially ciag

[somber axle]

Recons require an insane amount of power to put them into the relative ballpack of what a Columnus Infantry Autogun can do and at ABSOLUTE BEST a Recon Mk VId will not be able to outdo another Veteran of similar skill level on damage or kills but a very skilled clown with the Recon can outdo a Columnus Infantry Autogun user on ammo efficiency/ammo economy. If you're a very good clown like me you can beat Columnus Infantry Autogun users on damage and kills too! But only if that user is not nearly as silly

[tall torrent]

I think it’s ok if the performance gain is really worth it like

Vraks 7 with a full set-up is straight up the best semi auto gun in the game

[wanton dawn]

Not enough to justify crit perk though

[junior needle]

They have beeg finesse values

[arctic rampart]

@waxen veldt reroll it to mg la or even 4

[wanton dawn]

Also crit chain

[somber axle]

Nerf me again

I can take it

and it'd be funnier

[smoky jasper]

This seriously sounds like so much fun. I want to try this.

[junior needle]

headhunter and either deadly or ghost (with deadshot/dnd shenanigans). Do note that the 1a has superceded the job of the k12 atm.

[agile forge]

Accatran laspistol is really good tbf

[faint beacon]

Yeah same with that, if it makes it extremely strong or reliable etc etc, Im all fine for a focus on one weapon type build

[waxen veldt]

Oh really? Been out of the vet loop for a while, thanks for letting me know :v

[arctic rampart]

@agile forge its my favorite ranged weapon on zealot.. even over flamer (+F) & boltgun

[junior needle]

1a and mg4 got buffed awhile back

k12 was left the same

[agile forge]

I can't get off my crippling Zarona addiction

[waxen veldt]

Ah I see

[tall torrent]

Laspistol is another example of a gun that becomes super strong if u invest a ton of points into crit builds

[waxen veldt]

Always kind of wanted to use the 1A more anyways

[arctic rampart]

I hate the zarona.. because i love it. BUt then I'm seriously reloading all game cause my trigger discipline doesnt exist. So I hate it.

[faint beacon]

Cough, nothing but toughness stacking

lmao

[somber axle]

I have given you the disclaimer so all I can do now is show you the talent build again and also show you my Recon Mk VId and ask you to be careful putting on the clown shoes when you try out my clown costume LOL

[tall torrent]

But there’re stuff like boltgun (yes) and recon where you spend so many points just to make them work

[agile forge]

I just love it because a rager shows up and then you https://i.gifer.com/4oR.gif them

[somber axle]

one sec while I log into Darktide to share my current Recon Mk VId

I have like 10+ of them at this rate

but my current one has the perks/blessings/stat roll I want over the others

[tall torrent]

My controversial take is that with the most recent patch, there’s actually not much reason to take boltgun over Vraks 7 unless you need to magdump bosses

[shell lagoon]

how come you dont use a 7a for better stamina efficiency?

[junior needle]

Do note that on a baseline, the ciag has about at least 3x the ammo efficiency per ammo used while recons only have 1.1x the ammo pool. So you need to work from a large deficit for that.

[shell lagoon]

meant stamina

[arctic rampart]

why would any vet take boltgun? there's no reason.

I get why a zealot would though

[faint beacon]

"FOR THE GRANDFARTH-" Gets domed in the head immediately by a Revolver crit lmao

[tall torrent]

Before this patch there was

[agile forge]

DMR style was ok

[tall torrent]

With newest patch, I genuinely don’t see it anymore

[arctic rampart]

Nuh uh! (puts fingers into ears) plasma plasma plasma!

[tall torrent]

It’s a fun weapon and that’s that

[junior needle]

Oh yeah, your gun has the carapace perk too

[hollow turtle]

I saw it being used by a zealot yesterday

[agile forge]

I like the idea of it with dance of death on zealot

But I don't like the idea of reloading it

[junior needle]

Extra sneaky on the crusher testing

[tall torrent]

Boltgun is still rly good on zealot but I don’t think there’s any reason to take it over Vraks 7 on veteran now

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VIIa does not have the fire speed to make the best benefit out of Onslaught stacking and has a much worse TTK on Crushers even with all this weird amount of effort and talent power I'm putting into it. But do not let that discourage you. It just means the Recon Mk VIIa does not need Onslaught, freeing up 4 talent points to use elsewhere! And the Recon Mk VIIa is also very good generally on damage modifiers to different armour types so it does not need Onslaught for anything else anyway. Definitely recommend playing the Recon Mk VIIa if you like how the gun feels because they're all good guns Bront

[arctic rampart]

I like (boltgun) on my zealot for groups of elites. Especially if im taking knives instead of immolation nades.

[somber axle]

Yes lemme show them my clown shoes LOL

I woke up today just in time to tell my fav joke

[agile forge]

All good*, except recon 2

[smoky jasper]

Saved and saved. Thanks! 👌

[arctic rampart]

which recon has the hipfire instead of ads

[junior needle]

The fire speed shouldn't really make a difference unless you are somehow overflowing stamina with a 7a more than you're underflowing stamina with a 6d

[tall torrent]

None

[junior needle]

It should be better in theory because you're using less stamina for an equal amount of damage if you do it in larger bursts

[somber axle]

I recently tested the Recon Mk II and discovered that it actually isn't nearly as bad as people say but then I am a clown used to putting a Recon Mk VId on steroids and doing a gymnastics routine level of effort per match to make her perform so take my opinion with not just a grain of salt but the whole salt can's worth of grains of salt

[arctic rampart]

sorry, hipfire that doesnt suck. one of them has accurate hipfire which you cna use with deadshot (ads) or hipfire depending on stamina

[somber axle]

What I say is ok and what is ok in my hands, is not going to be ok in others

[somber axle]

I mean I can record and share what my current funny Recon Mk VId build does when I swap it for a good Mk VIIa

it's not pretty

you ideally do not want to use your Recon Mk VIIa on Crushers ever

[junior needle]

The 6d has higher base dps if you account for its scuffed modifiers

[somber axle]

the DPS is around 1200

it's not so good

[arctic rampart]

You should rename yourself from sneaky cat to recon crab

[somber axle]

TTK on Crushers with the VIIa is not worth imo

too slow

[junior needle]

But the 7a doesn't need onslaught to reach its max dps potential

[tall torrent]

Did u buy the new recon skin

[somber axle]

use your melee or grab kraks since the Recon Mk VIIa is less talent point expensive

[somber axle]

YES I DID

IT LOOKS SO GOOD AAAAAAA

I instabought it the second it was on the store rotation

along with all the Elysian skins for every class

I love the Elysians so much

CANONICAL RECON USERS

[tall torrent]

Bruh

[somber axle]

MY PEOPLE

[arctic rampart]

ok your new name is crab whale

[somber axle]

MY CLOWNS

[tall torrent]

Ok u be u

[junior needle]

It's really just the talent tree propping them up into any semblance of life at this point, which iI think makes them not particularly good guns on their own merits

[somber axle]

hold on let me show you in case you don't believe me

[faint beacon]

I can't really say much cause I'd do the same if every class had a Steel Legion set

but so far only Vet has it

[tall torrent]

I’m a Moebian 6th armor enjoyer (I still need to grind penances)

[faint beacon]

Look I'll second to that cause the 6th have some really fucking good armor

yes

[somber axle]

am I stupid for spending this much money on cosmetics?

yes

[agile forge]

If there's any way to make something work, tbh, I'll acknowledge it

[faint beacon]

even the traitors have cool looking armor

[somber axle]

and I am a clown so I am giving you all permission to laugh at me because it's literally my job to be mocked

ANYWAY MY RECON VID...

[junior needle]

I have to deduct points if it's harder and/or more effort to make work

[arctic rampart]

whats wrong with spending $ on cosmetics on a game you played 100s of hours

[junior needle]

Fatshark bad company

[faint beacon]

Its mainly the could be unlocked

[somber axle]

HERE SHE IS

[agile forge]

Yeah, that's fair. I was stanning the Kickback before it got its love patch

[agile forge]

I don't acknowledge this

[somber axle]

it'd be better if she had Headhunter IV but I can forgive that because she has both Flak AND Carapace as well as all the blessings I want with a good stat roll

[agile forge]

Surely you would have a perfect 550

[tall torrent]

I don’t think I’ll care for much other than voice modulator helmets & weapon skins now

[somber axle]

you are right to look away

[arctic rampart]

55p

[tall torrent]

Moebian 6th armor my beloved

[somber axle]

my clownish dark arts are not something the jedi would teach you

https://tenor.com/view/cackles-star-wars-sheev-palpatine-gif-15366449

[agile forge]

As well as stanning, I am also spider stanning

[somber axle]

you will know me if you happen to see me in quickplay

[tall torrent]

Maybe they will buff recon soon

[somber axle]

I look like teaser trailer guards but with the Recon

[tall torrent]

But otherwise they’re getting pretty low ratings in my guide

[faint beacon]

Look im just saying dude

[gilded wraith]

Do you have that vraks 7 build handy to share? Just got my first 550 in a few hundred hours.

[faint beacon]

I love the heavy armor style of it

it looks so good

[somber axle]

whoops wrong gif one sec

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

HERE THEY ARE

[arctic rampart]

I'm getting dizzy, he just keeps looking!

[junior needle]

If only the actual game had this atmosphere

A waste of mankinds promise

[somber axle]

ok so let me show you what the Recon Mk VIIa can do to Crushers and why I think it is not good to try to make it into a Crusher killing weapon because I have tried and found it is just better at making it do anything and everything else honestly

you're right that it doesn't need Onslaught

but even with all my silly shenanigans it does not feel worth to shoot Crushers with the Recon Mk VIIa

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent I also want to point out how it says (Type 16 - ash) I pray we get more variants cause the armor is already so good

[junior needle]

I mean, there's more to the game can crusher shooting

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 is unfortunately a horrible gun to min-max because you need:

+unarmored dmg
+flak dmg
Surgical
Deadly accurate

Mandatory:
Precision strikes
+5% ranged dmg (x2)
Determined
Superiority complex
Bring it down
Rending strikes
Focus target
Redirect fire

Optionally:
Deadshot
Longshot

[somber axle]

funny enough I even have music appropriate to this moment

[tall torrent]

Credits to @bitter turtle

[somber axle]

you are very correct and it's why I think the average player will enjoy playing with the Recon Mk VIIa much more than the Mk VId or Mk II

the talent trees can be more flexible with it while still performing very well on all other specials/elites

and even does solid boss DPS

[arctic rampart]

yeah I spent $20 on cosmetics I'm a whale!

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa is honestly probably the best of the Recons for a generalist playstyle, it's just that I value killing Crushers much higher than the average player

Ok wait a sec actually it's fine LMFAO

just slightly slower/less DPS than the Recon Mk VId

[gilded wraith]

Drat.... sadly not the direction the rolls went

[somber axle]

but for some reason in my brain I thought it was only 1200 DPS

but it pulled close to 2000 DPS on a Crusher

which is still respectable imo

[tall torrent]

Very unfortunate

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/9fe7bb0ca56d6a740a439374cd8c2e00

[white minnow]

don't need to minmax that hard for vraks if you run marksman

[gilded wraith]

Perhaps the crafting rework gods will shine on me.

[somber axle]

anyway yeah like if you're curious about running the Recons

[arctic rampart]

ewww a recon lasgun and marksman tree. filthy casual

[somber axle]

just do Recon Mk VIIa first

[white minnow]

you can one-shot all gunners w/o unarmoured and flak if you go down the left tree, as well as taking opening salvo (blessing) in place of deadly accurate if you wish to reach the flamer non-crit one-shot bp with +specialist and +maniac

[somber axle]

Casual? Casuals run Plasma gun + Power Sword with Power Cycler IV and Voice of Command. Clowns run whatever they want whenever they want on any difficulty they want and shine no matter what filth Wolfer or Nurgle sends

[tall torrent]

With marksman focus u don’t need to min-max that hard
But you’re also forced to play marksman focus

[faint beacon]

loses 6 bullets

[white minnow]

sure? what's wrong with that

[somber axle]

You may dislike me talent tree, but you cannot call me a casual for it

I am a clown

Very important difference

[white minnow]

weakspot keystone for a weakspot weapon

marksman is p good and you get to annihilate things with vraks 7 marksman

[somber axle]

the most terrifying part of this is realising that the Recon Mk VIIa is somehow the most ammo efficient of all the Recons on Crusher killing

6 ammo

[tall torrent]

It’s just that relying on marksman focus for breakpoints isn’t the most reliable thing and it’s unfortunate how that still is the case

[white minnow]

i also prefer opening salvo in place of deadly accurate because the cooldown for it is abnormally short on headhunters for some reason

[somber axle]

WHEN THE GUN CONSUMES 2 AMMO PER SHOT??

[white minnow]

but it is perfectly reliable?

just hit heads

and they even buffed it

[tall torrent]

Because recoil recenter is very fast on 1st shot

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-in-bed-the-amazing-digital-circus-amazing-digital-circus-gif-6290699583914944484

[white minnow]

it's not tied to recoil though

just look at the lasguns for comparison

[arctic rampart]

that's right, the emp made me this way. I get the most enjoyment out of using the best guns and making fun of filthy casual recon lasgun users

[faint beacon]

Shocktrooper talent type beat

[somber axle]

anyway just for fun

[white minnow]

it's just abnormally short for no reason

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure salvo is tied to recoil reset

[somber axle]

let me show the Recon Mk II for comparison

OH BUT FIRST

My Recon Mk VIIa

[white minnow]

if it is then the recoil reset for infantry lasguns is fucked then

[tall torrent]

Yes they have slow reset

[arctic rampart]

ironically I want to love the recon lasgun, because it sounds and looks awesome. but then you shoot it and your heart breaks

[somber axle]

yes this is the same Recon I used to kill the Crusher just now

[oblique totem]

pew pew

[somber axle]

LOL

[tall torrent]

Infantry lasguns have high initial shot kick

And high visual recoil

But successive shots don’t kick as much compared to first shot

[white minnow]

vraks 7's recoil reset time is longer than opening salvo

[oblique totem]

Lasguns shouldn't have recoil

[white minnow]

you're just saying random ass shit as this point dude

why are you being contrarian to me

[tall torrent]

No?

[somber axle]

it's actually the Recon Mk II with the worst TTK

allow me to share

[white minnow]

yes?

just shoot it in the psykhanium

[tall torrent]

Salvo is tied to recoil reset?

[white minnow]

shoot it as fast as you can as opening salvo resets

and you can see that you can shoot it faster than the recoil is resetting

for fuck's sake

[tall torrent]

I’ll check later

Has it always been this case

[white minnow]

uh huh

well i don't know about before patch 13

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/2051bb9d5aa57e31c7f8f4de52a2efe0

[junior needle]

That seems a bit excessive

[somber axle]

Here's the Recon Mk II on a Crusher TTK using my build

but at least she got a pretty good DPS number

[white minnow]

but how is it excessive?

[tall torrent]

I’m not trying to be mean or anything it’s just that salvo afaik has always been tied to recoil reset mechanic

[white minnow]

he immediately retorted to something I said with a lie

like, how is that not being a contrarian asshole

[somber axle]

literally 1337

LOL

[tall torrent]

So unless they changed it at some point that I didn’t know about, I’d assume it still worked like that

[white minnow]

i'm not going to be kind to people who talk bullshit

[junior needle]

People can simply be misinformed, not simply trying to "lie" to you because they feel like it

[white minnow]

https://streamable.com/m98ujl

[somber axle]

also sharing the Recon Mk II for comparison

[white minnow]

yeah and they can also not say something that they're not confident about

[somber axle]

it doesn't have +Carapce but that wouldn't put it close to the 2200 DPS a Recon Mk VId can do or the 2000 DPS a Recon Mk VIIa can do

[white minnow]

if you're not 100% sure, you are allowed to be quiet

and shut the fuck up instead of me having to constantly record shit to disprove bullshit that people say

[hearty panther]

on the lasguns it's especially egregious, you gotta wait like 500ms or something

[faint beacon]

That time you lost "14"

[hearty panther]

its meant to be tied to recoil and stability stats, but im willing to bet the difference between 0 and 80 stability on the blessing is in two digit milliseconds

if any

its def tied to visual recoil anim

for whatever reason

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II really is pulling up behind the other Recons but it's ok

I have used the Mk II in Damnation matches

outside of Crusher kills she feels fine (in my hands)

anyway now that I've finished my daily clown song in this chat

[oblique totem]

Real clown hours

[tall torrent]

Does exe stance make opening salvo go faster

[somber axle]

I can go back to enjoying my Loose Cannon in matches

[white minnow]

i'm not sure
my guess would prob be it doesn't

[junior needle]

I see. Well you can still get your point across in a civil manner. You kinda went 0-60 there over nothing.

[somber axle]

OH WAIT LET ME SHARE MY PSYKER

[white minnow]

he was being contrarian though without being right

if you're going to immediately retort something i say, at least be right

it's just that simple

[tall torrent]

I’ll check later when I’m home

Apologies for all this fuss

[hearty panther]

shrimply be right

[white minnow]

and if you run opening salvo, you trivially reach the dreg gunner one-shot bp with just this set of talents
https://streamable.com/9rkt9v

[junior needle]

Someone possibly being wrong about something in a video game isn't a crime, or an excuse for being mean.

[somber axle]

I love my Veteran Psyker

[white minnow]

specifically at 9m because longshot is required for it

[tall torrent]

It’s fine I don’t rly mind it

[oblique totem]

Why is the witch guardsman shaped?

[tall torrent]

If anything him correcting my mistake would be good

[junior needle]

Correcting is fine and good, but there needs to be certain standards for interactions.

[tall torrent]

I just need to get home to check it myself

[agile forge]

Still isn't nice though, you put a lot of effort into your guide etc

Correction is one thing

[tall torrent]

Yes and it can always be improved in quality & accuracy

[junior needle]

I don't tell sneaky "raa raa you big stinky poopy doodoo head how dare you" for saying recons are "very good"

[hearty panther]

killzone tho

[white minnow]

sure there should be standards but i'm not going to be kind if i was retorted with something false

[somber axle]

Veteran main at heart ALWAYS

[white minnow]

peak killzone 8m bp

[hearty panther]

soldier do you get paid for role-playing a hall monitor or is it like a sexual thrill

[white minnow]

i'd run killzone with vraks 7 if only opening salvo (blessing) wasn't so good 😔

[junior needle]

Definitely a sexual thrill

[tall torrent]

Like, I realized 2 days ago that flesh tearer actually cannot apply on Crit with punch lol

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/the-way-it-should-be-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-meant-to-be-this-way-gif-18908166

[somber axle]

tbh it's probably good to have the two talking heads whenever a new player comes in to ask about the recons because I will lavish praise on my recons every and any time I feel the Emperor's call to put on my clown shoes but I also recognize that the average player will probably not enjoy my playstyle

[faint beacon]

Now do it with your Zealot

[white minnow]

wtf

[hearty panther]

vraks 7 needs like, idk

[tall torrent]

Yea.

[somber axle]

I can but like I have a clown costume on my Zealot

[hearty panther]

two more magazines

[oblique totem]

I want to make a Zealot but they're actually a Krieger

[faint beacon]

Look I like making mine a Priest who's also very good at being a Soldier

lmao

[white minnow]

i'm somewhat glad about that so that punch heavy isn't the optimal combo for my flesh tearer knife at least

[tall torrent]

At least it’s not applying bleed in meat grinder

[faint beacon]

Why he's rocking the cadian outfit

[tall torrent]

Are we cool now or are u still mad at me

[somber axle]

JUST LOOK AT THAT CLOWN COSTUME

[junior needle]

Being kind (or at least not a dick) is part of the standards. From a purely selfish perspective, if you say something correct in a poorly digestible way, people are not inclined to listen to you.

[hearty panther]

punch heavy is purely for the vibes

[white minnow]

is cool

[somber axle]

this bright red and gold in the dark dreary streets screams "SHOOT ME! PLEASE TRY TO SHOOT ME!!"

[hearty panther]

but also uncanny

[somber axle]

that's a really good aesthetic tbh

[faint beacon]

you wouldn't get shot if the emperor willed it

[white minnow]

sure but at the same time it is very obvious to me that it's not tied to recoil reset

because you have two very obvious examples in the form of infantry lasguns and headhunters

[faint beacon]

Look he's an old man with the Fanatic voice

[white minnow]

and is demonstrably false

[oblique totem]

Is her name Pomni?

[white minnow]

i am proportionately angry to how obviously false something is

[hearty panther]

you can reset opening salvo with a sprint

[somber axle]

maybe I want to be shot
maybe I want them to try
maybe I NEED to see them try and fail so they can see their reflection in my shiny gold chestplate and witness their own horror as my clown bells jingle closer and closer...

[white minnow]

especially if i was already in prior contention with them saying that marksman is not reliable

[faint beacon]

Momentum gameplay

[hearty panther]

the game only cares if the gun is 'at rest'

[somber axle]

Clarisse!

Though Pomni would be a funny name to change to

[white minnow]

i think it's the hipfire for some reason

hipfire opening salvo resets faster than ads opening salvo on infantry lsaguns

what the

[gilded wraith]

Does this look remotely sane?

[junior needle]

All you gotta do is say that it's a common misconception, and clarify how it actually works. I even thought the same thing for years now, so I'd be very surprised to hear otherwise. Getting angry at internet strangers over a game just makes it worse for everyone involved, including yourself.

[oblique totem]

A good name.

[white minnow]

yes I know that it's not the optimal way to convince people

[somber axle]

Clarisse cosplaying as a Vet

[white minnow]

that much is also obvious

i don't need to be told very obvious things

[gilded wraith]

Trying for something that can handle armor in a pinch.

[white minnow]

have you considered that me being angry is just me venting?

i'm not seeking to be optimal here

you are deeply misled if you think I am leading a perfect life

[junior needle]

I'd say you shouldn't vent your anger on other people, but you might tell me that's obvious as well

[hearty panther]

arco wasting his verbal opening salvo blessing

[white minnow]

yes that much is also obvious

otherwise i wouldn't be angry

[oblique totem]

Honestly, I would think she's a vet until I heard the voicelines

[junior needle]

Perhaps other people saying it will provide further reinforcement

[hearty panther]

did we ever figure out what rounds sustained fire applies to now

[somber axle]

also she looks like a sexy clown with that Eviscerator skin

[white minnow]

seems like they flipped around the hipfire and ads opening salvo timing

[junior needle]

Classic fatshark

[oblique totem]

Why do Zealots get all the good chainweapons?

[faint beacon]

You can't be as bad as making your Psyker, Edward Richtofen lmao

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-korra-korra-its-perfect-nickelodeon-gif-4462278

[faint beacon]

I've only had one person recognize it

[junior needle]

German doktor from nazi zombies

Now you've had multiple

[oblique totem]

Does he have the German accent voice lines?

If not, change it

[tall torrent]

2, 3 and 4

[faint beacon]

basing it off Primis Richtofen, but yeah I've flopped between dreamer and that one I need to go back to loner

I love my Ogryn

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/byeah-jerma-jerma985-meeting-of-the-byeahs-gta-march-gif-14221033

[faint beacon]

The last surviving Jerma joke

[oblique totem]

Pain

[somber axle]

when you're in an all Ogryn squad and the Plogryn launches everyone else over the railing and into the abyss

[oblique totem]

Sad Ogryns make my guardsman heart break

[shell lagoon]

luv me emprah

luv me comissar

[tall torrent]

I view marksman as “less reliable” purely because it’s not active all the time, that’s all

It’s not so unreliable that it’s 50/50

[junior needle]

It takes buildup

[faint beacon]

Completely forgot I changed my knife into a Bowie Knife on my Vet lmao

[junior needle]

Which irritates my monkey brain

[tall torrent]

My idea has always been “if I can get a breakpoint 100% the time why should I settle for 90% the time”

[junior needle]

I also desire pure consistency whenever possible

[white minnow]

though if you're gunning down a gunner patrol you'll be spending most of the time with marksman stacks

and if opening salvo somehow isn't letting yuo reach it, then you p much only need a single headshot for opening salvo vraks 7 to one-shot

[agile forge]

Yeah, that's why I tend to prefer those variable buffs on rapid-fire shit

Depends on how many stacks you actually need though

[white minnow]

e.g., w/o opening salvo, it only takes 6 marksman stacks for a non-opening salvo perkless vraks 7 to one-shot dreg gunners at >8m (longshot)

[agile forge]

If something only needs a small number of stacks, Camouflage can make it consistent(ish)

[somber axle]

you're right but imagine the boss DPS with 15 stack Marksman's Focus with Executioner's Stance

DPS can get pretty silly

[trim steppe]

There's fun in extreme builds, but in the end I generally value consistency over specific and extreme builds

[oblique totem]

Why shoot more bullet when less bullet do same thing?
-Obviously not an ork

[white minnow]

only 2 headshot kills and >8m for longshot to begin hitting a dreg gunner one-shot with a 75% damage vraks 7 is pretty consistent and reliable to me

[somber axle]

Some people think they can outsmart Ork. Maybe. Maybe. I have yet to meet one who can outsmart BOOLET.

[trim steppe]

like if I can choose between doing everything well, or 1 thing godly and everything else ok/bad, I'll almost always gravitate towards the former

[tall torrent]

I just asked kuli and he’s also saying that salvo related blessings are tied to recoil/sway/spread reset

Now, I’m not saying that you’re wrong

I just want to figure out what’s causing the things you’re describing

[faint beacon]

what one of them weirdboyz would say

[white minnow]

that'll mean that hipfire infantry lasgun resets recoil significantly faster than ads

[oblique totem]

We don't really include weirdboyz in that discussion.

They tend to explode. And also they're weird.

[tall torrent]

It’s a little more than that

The game considers a “shooting status”

[agile forge]

It's nice to shift styles a lot imo

I rarely play the same build twice in a row

[white minnow]

e.g., a fairly reasonable set of talents to take if not taking opening salvo on headhunters for dreg gunner one-shot https://streamable.com/vihvea

don't even need to take 15 stacks

dip a single point into marksman if you so wish and call it a day

[agile forge]

Camouflage marksmans is a nice semi-consistent thing too

[white minnow]

for scab gunners it becomes ~9m

but either way, if reliability is so desired, and dipping your talents to reach bps is too undesirable, then i don't see why deadly accurate is taken in place of opening salvo

[tall torrent]

It’s more so that dipping all those points gives a few extra breakpoints that otherwise are harder to reach

[white minnow]

it's just a single point into marksman though

[tall torrent]

I think DA vraks7 gets to hit 1 tap scab rager?

I get what you’re saying

[white minnow]

and you're likely taking up to stamina regen

so it is indeed effectively a 1 point cost for it

[tall torrent]

It’s viable, I’ll prob put it into my guide as an alternative build option

Thinking abt revamping the weapon section anyways

[white minnow]

prob just opening salvo over marksman if you don't want to recommend it
since flamer one-shot is the only other particularly important BP i can think of

besides scab rager

[tall torrent]

Yea flamer 1 shot is important

[white minnow]

opening salvo reaches similar dreg/scab gunner bps as marksma at ~8/9m (with longshot and left-side talents)

[tall torrent]

Normally it takes DA + rending strikes to hit it with crit weakspot

But since headhunter’s surgical builds fast and deadshot (if taken) is pretty good boost it’s not that bad

[white minnow]

flamers get one-shot with a non-crit weakspot if you have 15 stack marksman (or less if you take +10% rending), as an alternative option

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t headhunter have very low maniac dmg

It’s like 600 smth weakspot?

[white minnow]

oh wait i forgot that i'm running a hyper specialized headhunter for the flamer one shot

yeah you're right

i run +10% specialist & +25% maniac to specifically reach that non-crit bp since i didn't want to rely on a crit for it

[tall torrent]

Makes sense

[junior needle]

Doesn't DA have about 300~ higher damage per shot on a v7?

Compared to opening salvo

[white minnow]

ye

[junior needle]

It was about that on a maniac when I tested it on a blank tree

[white minnow]

just an alternative pathing, since opening salvo lets you reach the dreg/scab gunner one-shot at 8/9m if you have +15% elite damage and longshot which I consider particularly cheap investments

and then if you want some crit/weakspot damage to reach more BPs, there's marksman to take, which provides value on weakspots and crits, not just crit weakspots

aforementioned flamer crit one-shot can be reached with marksman, or non-crit if taking 15 stacks marksman (and with +10% rending at >10 staacks)

albeit the latter can only be reached if you're willing to give up a perk to +10% specialist

actually i wonder if +10% rending in place of that is enough hmm

yeah if you take +10% rending then you only need a +25% maniac headhunter to reach the flamer non-crit weakspot oneshot

neat

it's a tight bp though so lacking in damage/stopping power will change some things, or not having t4 opening salvo

if i abandon marksman, then opening salvo +10% spec and +25% maniac does let me oneshot trappers and human ranged enemies and then i have enough points to take +10% melee attack speed

very neat

and then taking desperado lets you two-shot a crusher with mk6 as long as i roll at least one crit with either the PA or L4

yummy breakpoints

[tall torrent]

@white minnow flesh tearer doesn't apply on crit punch, vid here

[white minnow]

so tragic

[frank monolith]

||on the other hand it will proc scourge on zealot if you crit ||

[hollow turtle]

Damn I wish I was good at using a sword.

[hollow turtle]

What's the best devil's claw variant again?

[civic knot]

Buy?

[last parcel]

IV, VII is also acceptable

IV has light heavy for horizontal horde clear and heavy1 is an easily accessible strikedown

[half badge]

might be a dumb question

but is the bayonet

on the helbore, gun or melee dmg?

[civic knot]

Not a dumb question since we're dealing with fatshark standards

[half badge]

i mean i assume melee

but well

idk haha

[last parcel]

it’s affected by most melee talents if that’s what you mean

[half badge]

ah cool

ty

haha

but yes, if its mostly melee then i guess i can spec into other stuff

[gritty fable]

Interesting fact: killing shooters with a bayonet in close combat counts for extending the executioner's stand

[crude fiber]

I'm assuming any kill will count as long as you have your gun out. Toss a frag out then use exec stance and if grenade kills a marked target it would refresh

[shadow aurora]

Have they made a better way of finding twins hard mode runs or do i still have to try my luck with qp

[vague smelt]

I did the best I could.....

[somber axle]

That's pretty good imo

[vague smelt]

Only took 2M dockets.

[somber axle]

It should be fine

[vague smelt]

just for this gun

[somber axle]

Oh

Oh

Well at least you got the gun

[vague smelt]

All my luck vanished after making this

The perfect meta smelly gun

ALL i WANT is a good Lucius II

and Hadron is not letting me have it

[last parcel]

bro spent 2 mil dockets on a recon

that’s dedication

[vague smelt]

Yes and I will do it again

I like Las guns

[somber axle]

I understand the dedication

[vague smelt]

Also the Reccon is nice

VIIa at least

[somber axle]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rD52mPO57qMjSZa01NW0N6n2fq3hT1hV7U-jKdlIFVk/https/media.tenor.com/OrdjBo20hdIAAAPo/izutsumi-dungeon-meshi.mp4

[vague smelt]

I have 300K what is the best ILG

[somber axle]

Mg1a is the best I think

The XII is slower firing with better breakpoints for 1HKOs on more targets (not a lot tbh) but less DPS overall

IV is highest fire rate but unless you use an autocliker you will regret it

Mg1a >= XII >>> IV

Is how I rank them

[vague smelt]

I don't understand why there's many weapons barely functional on Veteran

It's a coop game shouldn't every weapon be functional

[somber axle]

The IV works but your hands will regret trying to play with them unless you mod them to just be a Recon under a different name LOL

[vague smelt]

You mean sights

[last parcel]

autoclicker

[pallid jetty]

i like running the green chainaxe on vet

secret meta

[somber axle]

Oh also if you use the base model without any weapon skins

IV is ugliest

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

The stock is awful

If you want a gun with a good looking base model for the odd time you want to swap skins

[vague smelt]

Can't wait until they release them

right?

right?

[somber axle]

The IV will let you down unless you like how trashy it looks

[tame lodge]

[somber axle]

Look at how stupid this thing looks

Now compare to

Mg1a

XII

[vague smelt]

I like the brown one

[somber axle]

My fav is the Mg1a (I am slightly colourblind)

[hollow turtle]

Has it become a normal thing for people to just scoop whatever ammo there is?

[midnight totem]

Always has been

[hollow turtle]

Literally been going in the red as a vet. Have never had that issue even after the survivalist nerf.

[midnight totem]

I mean, you will always get bad players who vacuum all the ammo

[inland orchid]

Survivalist aura nerf has…sadly made a lot more folk roomba-like for me

Cleanin chests like it was their prime directive

[midnight totem]

I might grab a bit more ammo myself but if anybody else is in red I prioritize them for it first

[crude fiber]

Are you doing it for fun or a penance?

[shadow aurora]

For the penance

Impossible to find anyone through the quickplay

[crude fiber]

id be willing to help you out but no promises if well beat it 2 man lol

[shadow aurora]

Okay, gimme a few minutes ill @ you when im ready

Imma run plasma psword stealth vet

Middle keystone

I could also ask for a third

[crude fiber]

if you have someone your cool with go ahead, im gonna be zealot

[shadow aurora]

Ok

[inland orchid]

I’d tag along but I’d probs be the reason we squad wipe I suck against regular twins

So I’d get eaten alive tryna get that penace done

[crude fiber]

i only did hard mode 1 time to be fair, took 3 tries for my group but we crashed out on the first attempt

[grizzled pebble]

What region?

[shadow aurora]

NA for me

[crude fiber]

NA

[grizzled pebble]

I can help if we go na east. I'm from eu so I need the lower ping server.

[shadow aurora]

Ok

[split sapphire]

I'm NA as well here

[crude fiber]

already there 😎

[shadow aurora]

Whos hosting?

[grizzled pebble]

6262260298 my fs code

[crude fiber]

7490570835 took me a sec to remember how to find it lol

[grizzled pebble]

Okie I'll inv

[crude fiber]

o

[crude fiber]

send friend code ill invite

[shadow aurora]

In bio

[inland orchid]

Best of luck to y’all, show those twins the imperium’s strength

[trim hemlock]

this is too much fun

Even though I'm specced for penance completion, this is genuinely one of the most fun loadouts I've ever tried

[shadow aurora]

@split sapphire boss you in?

[grizzled pebble]

What's the weapon specialist right talent?

Stamina regen?

[split sapphire]

Boss? Eh well i guess i could fo a couple rounds

[last parcel]

stamina on melee pullout

[grizzled pebble]

Weapon specialist is kinda bloated. I normally only get the value point, or the ammo refill if I have another extra.

Zealot has 3 keystones all 3 only need 3 points to max out.

[grizzled pebble]

P sword revolver if I have to guess.

[shadow aurora]

I invited you did you not get it?

[crude fiber]

weapon specialist nodes are also kinda niche for me. i normally just take the base point

[split sapphire]

Uh, no i did not

[shadow aurora]

K ill try again

[inland orchid]

The vox net tryna shoot yall in the foot

[split sapphire]

Oh wait, i saw it

[inland orchid]

I smell tech priest fuckery

[tiny summit]

Looked at the shredder pistol attack breakdown. It's weakspot and crit multipliers...

Why?

[trim hemlock]

yep

It would probably work just as well with a Combat blade

[grizzled pebble]

Or combat axe.

[crude fiber]

gg

[grizzled pebble]

gg

[split sapphire]

Honestly i thought i would not live through that one

[crude fiber]

i was the only death

[split sapphire]

Least it was only 1

[shadow aurora]

Its finally done

Thank god

[split sapphire]

Well then, that was the first time i actually beat them too, ngl

[hidden torrent]

Really wish it looked like this normally

[shadow aurora]

Yeah its pretty silly you cant choose the weapon for the pose

[plush sigil]

Lopus mentioned that they intend to do this properly, it's just a bit complicated and not the priority

[split sapphire]

Fair enough, i'd like to do the death krieg with the helbore

[shadow aurora]

[slow spade]

time for some Auric Maelstroms UwU

[split sapphire]

I still have yet to beat a Maelstrom on damnation on standard

[crude fiber]

cant wait for the no one take any damage at all on auric maelstrom penance

[vernal harbor]

Ah I see they made a penance for me

ill admit I’m a little bashful

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-side-eye-side-eye-look-gif-2172576260448763209

[oblique totem]

I can barely make it through without dying

[austere pine]

finally got the full infiltrator drip now

love the swag, hated the journey

all i now need is a mouth cover+goggles combo without a helmet because those look goofy

[oblique totem]

Infiltrator drip is a journey

[austere pine]

if it wasn't for smoke grenades, this would have been such a good money (effort) for value (drip) venture

on an entirely different topic, this is becoming quite the beast for now

[oblique totem]

Yeah. But then nothing can ever be easy

[austere pine]

you know what is easy? ur mother this penance

got it midway during my first mission

that joke was uncalled for, i'm sorry

[oblique totem]

I am shocked and appalled.

That you use close and kill

[austere pine]

i don't. i used it for one mission and switched the build right after

[oblique totem]

1 too many

[austere pine]

if the penance is so easy that you get it before even getting to the final objective of the first mission you use something in, it's not good

like, what's the point of 5% more movespeed?

[tame lodge]

Hard to quantity

[tame lodge]

If it wasn't for the weird clipping, the new backpack would look good with it

[austere pine]

i'm not a fan of the new backpacks

or backpacks in general

[tame lodge]

Fair enough, wish I had the vox one

[austere pine]

i get that it's supposed to be signify a place you put like... your mags, the things you use in a mission or whatever

but like

it's a 30 minute mission and i bet it's not a weird time scale change for the whole war. like.. the mission seemingly takes the same amount of time in game. nothing changes. you go in, 30 minutes of killing dudes, you're out. the rejects can't fight for longer. and the gear you use in 30 minutes can be carried on person. i'm like 90% sure

and with this backpack having a damn rain cover or whatever the top is, i see it as a more of a longer term mission gear item

[last parcel]

gotta keep a bag for my alpha 9 breaching charges

[austere pine]

the side pockets look like places to store your foldable utensils, some bandages or maybe some fire starting thingsies

[tame lodge]

I depict my infiltrator as some sort of Wyrmwood agent but without that one shirt

[midnight totem]

I imagine the backpack holds an stc that slowly manufactures grenades

[agile forge]

Maybe we aren't always actually going back to the mourningstar between missions

Maybe that part is just a game mechanic

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/de21459b6e6a875d2cc341c1447e58bf.png

https://i.gyazo.com/58461473f6ceb35c3e791d539d1f01a2.png

i know im late but ye

guarantees critless 1 shots on gunners, crit 1taps on flamers, crit 1 shots on flak ragers (but not dreg)

[agile forge]

Is there a lore reason why you are using surgical 3? Am I stupid?

[bitter turtle]

there's a lock on it

what do you think

[arctic rampart]

lore 100%

[midnight totem]

Lore

[arctic rampart]

the emp willed it mfer

[agile forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/batman/s/EjkbtiRPRZ

[midnight totem]

The vraks 7 feels like it needs more reserve ammo sometimes

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPyT1XemV2g

if you need a visual on what its supposed to do

[bitter turtle]

wdym

its really ammo efficient

i barely pick any up

before the surv nerf i literally could go 0 pickups and come out with full reserve ammo

[midnight totem]

Might just be my playstyle with it

I use mine more like a Las 1a

[bitter turtle]

its not a spam gun if you're using it like that

[midnight totem]

Headhunter and opening Salvo 4 lol

[bitter turtle]

v3 is better at that

[agile forge]

Is v3 actually OK?

[bitter turtle]

v3 is fine

its a very

[agile forge]

I only ever hear people talk about the 7

[bitter turtle]

"decent" gun

as in

its decent at everything

but doesnt excel at anything either

itll do anything you need it to though really

spam into melee coming at you? does it ok

snipe things far away? does it ok

[agile forge]

I was considering it for my gunker

[bitter turtle]

shoot boss? does it ok

like

its 7/10 at everything

is how i'd describe it

[tame lodge]

The burst fire throws a lot of players off

[midnight totem]

Vraks 3 is my favorite headhunter

[bitter turtle]

v3 should be played more like an iag than a sniper rifle

[split sapphire]

I like stacking big dmg with the combat blade as veteran, mercy killer and uncanny strike are on mine currently

[bitter turtle]

though you want to hit heads on maniacs

headhunters have bad maniac multipliers

[split sapphire]

They do?

[bitter turtle]

yes

here

let me show you

[midnight totem]

Should always be going for head regardless

But yeah

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0f27fa5973227b11a98d7f9ba4582804.jpg

v7 bodyshot on both

lol

literally almost half the dmg

granted

i have flak on it tbf

[split sapphire]

Right, maniac class

[bitter turtle]

and not maniac

but that's still a pretty big difference

[split sapphire]

Right cause scab ragers are flak armor

[bitter turtle]

yeah

heres without flak on my gun

https://i.gyazo.com/483eeb2a0824044f73b5e56ca39c5497.jpg

100 dmg difference

which is really big when you start multiplying it with all the different modifiers

from headshotting/critting/etc

i mean 366 is nearly a 50% increase over 250

[split sapphire]

True

[bitter turtle]

you can kinda sorta get away with bodyshotting flak targets

heck, you're supposed to bodyshot spam into maulers

but you really need to land maniac headshots

[agile forge]

Bodyshot to Flak weaker than headshot to Carapace even on a headhunter?

[split sapphire]

i'll be making a note of that Sah

[bitter turtle]

no, bodyshot to flak is stronger than headshot to carapace

[split sapphire]

Well maulers heads are carapace

[bitter turtle]

yes

you are supposed to bodyshot them

[agile forge]

Uh I meant stronger

[bitter turtle]

oh

then yes

[agile forge]

But I was asking due to unsurety anyway lol

[split sapphire]

I knew i was shootin' em in the wrong place after all

[bitter turtle]

you can actually down them in 2 crits

on bodyshots

but even if you never crit

(like my video)

it still puts them down pretty fast

at the cost of like 4 or 5 bullets i forgot

[agile forge]

It varies from weapon to weapon, I like having the rare weapons that still want to headshot maulers

[bitter turtle]

so you do go ammo negative on them

[agile forge]

Maulers are a great design tbh

[bitter turtle]

btw

if you wanna see a v3 comparison on bodyshots

this is flaniac perks

https://i.gyazo.com/8c1c4297b6ae8b8a49b23559dc1a6f93.jpg

really big difference

[split sapphire]

Ooh

[bitter turtle]

and its made worse by headhunter

[split sapphire]

Damnation threat lvl i assume

[bitter turtle]

yes

[split sapphire]

👍

[bitter turtle]

3 round burst means 3 headhunter stacks if oyu headshot

critting can 1shot/2shot dreg ragers

and headshotting enables that

meanwhile if you're bodyshotting them

expect to spend like 15 rounds

vs 3-6

[split sapphire]

Indeed

[bitter turtle]

im also a big fan of weapon specialist on v3

the fire rate buff actually really matters on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQkZWxDGQ4

if you wanna see how much it amps up the damage

[midnight totem]

One thing to note with the burst fire guns

[bitter turtle]

tbh i usually still dont shoot crushers

[midnight totem]

If you crit with the first shot

[bitter turtle]

but i think its a good demonstratino of how much it takes advantage of every aspect of weapon specialist

[midnight totem]

The rest of the burst is also a crit

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[split sapphire]

Emperors throne, that dmg.

And that was the mk. 3, what talent tree build is that with?

[bitter turtle]

its a lot less practical on crushers than it looks

but you feel the difference on ragers and stuff

you can mow down way more with that boosted fire rate

and the guaranteed crit turns into 3

its just a weapon specialist build

so you go down right tree

buffs your melee up too

lemme just get it ig

[midnight totem]

Probably right tree for weapon spec and mid tree for rending

[bitter turtle]

nah

not enough points for rending

https://i.gyazo.com/cac840d01776f3f9e78ff6bda4266adc.png

[midnight totem]

There's just enough

[bitter turtle]

not even ogryn damage

keep in mind

im using rashad as melee

i need precision strikes

on the left tree

if you want survivalist

[midnight totem]

Oh you run elite sup

[oblique totem]

sliiiiide to the right.
Sliiiiide to the left

[split sapphire]

Infiltration then

[bitter turtle]

you can route through survivalist too

ok

I personally

think stealth is the best ability for pugs

and i just find it more fun

you can do voc

it doesnt really matter that much

the main point is the bottom of the tree

[split sapphire]

True

[bitter turtle]

feel free to switch to another nade or ability or aura

[midnight totem]

Some of my builds, I take out elite sup for rending

[bitter turtle]

if it frees up points, then you can grab idk rending or ogryn damag eor something

[midnight totem]

Some I keep it over rending

Depends on the weapon

[bitter turtle]

and this is the gun itself

[split sapphire]

Ooh Surgical

[bitter turtle]

er

wait no that's still my v7

LOL

idk how that happened

[split sapphire]

Oh, ha

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4710e1a1046eeea8fa0b33a04af519c3.png

there

thanks

for pointing it out lul

[split sapphire]

No worries

[austere pine]

knife long invis zealot

[split sapphire]

Very nice

[austere pine]

some infantry lasgun veteran

both kept dying

how do i, along with a shotgun, rock, shield ogryn, carry these on hi int auric?

[midnight totem]

Pray to the Emperor I assume

[austere pine]

i've tried, many times

[midnight totem]

Pray harder

[split sapphire]

Srry to hear bro

[austere pine]

i'm no priest, soldier. i need tips on how to carry these people harder

even the emperor needs a bit of help sometimes

[midnight totem]

I'm trying to get the current penance on zealot too

God I hate them

[bitter turtle]

you switch classes

i dont think ogryn is good at staying alive solo

[austere pine]

along with the ogryn

[split sapphire]

I prefer veteran honestly

[austere pine]

i was a vet

[bitter turtle]

then you run infil vet

with a knife

[austere pine]

yeah no

need voc

[split sapphire]

I also run voc, infiltration didn't go well for me tbf

No offence

[bitter turtle]

nah

[austere pine]

i love infil but i need voc for penance

getting the drip

[bitter turtle]

just run what you want

i just think infil carries harder than voc in pugs

probably in a organized team voc is good

but

frankly

i dont think voc does enough to keep bad players alive

[austere pine]

bought this last minute. how do i get this to work?

[bitter turtle]

uhhh

i guess

sustained fire -> dumdum

and

crit damage -> something else

carapace is pretty bad thojugh

[split sapphire]

True tho. I just like voc cause with close order drill, confirmed kill and iron will. Big bursts of tankiness

[bitter turtle]

you could do onslaught colu

[austere pine]

does sustained fire only work on 3rd and 4th or every single one after 1st and 2nd?

[bitter turtle]

to make the carapace damage worth something

[bitter turtle]

it actually works on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th

the tooltip is a lie

but it only works on the 2nd 3rd and 4th of a salvo

[austere pine]

only 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

[bitter turtle]

as in, you need to wait for the recoil to reset

every single time

fi you wanna proc it

you can tell if you wanna test it yourself

[austere pine]

that's...

bad

[bitter turtle]

there's a buff icon

yeah its not very good for colu

[austere pine]

very bad. wow

what is it good for?

[bitter turtle]

agri revolver

[austere pine]

headhunters?

[bitter turtle]

fan 5 bullets and 2-4 get buffed 20%

[split sapphire]

I like Columbus Mk.5 while using, precision strikes, rending strikes, superiority complex, bring it down. And onslaught. Brings em' down nicely

[bitter turtle]

so yeah

i would just live with carapace i guess

you could run onslaught on the tree ig

and make it kill crusher

so the perk isnt worthless

[austere pine]

the occasional mauler headshot yk

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/2b36880ec88924356a375e2b4bb1c8c2.jpg

something like this i guess?

you could make use of carapace that way

last 3 points anywhere

[split sapphire]

Close enough

But yea

[bitter turtle]

if you wanted to see what it would look like

columbo magdump into crusher w/ no crit strings

[austere pine]

gyazo

not watching

@last parcel always watching, never typing

except to type out the dumbest joke people have ever witnessed

[bitter turtle]

there

lol

[austere pine]

that's actually kinda cracked

[bitter turtle]

wut wrong with gyazo anyway

[austere pine]

i hate having to open links sent to me only to have to wait for a website to load

i can has friends for auric?

[jaunty tinsel]

What're people's favorite blessings for the Infantry Lasgun?

[bitter turtle]

headhunter + deadly accurate or ghost

deadly accurate = more damage

ghost = what is a gunner

[gray finch]

true

[idle swallow]

good for deadshot shenannigans since it apparently counts as a dodge for using ghost

[austere pine]

did the director invest in like a gazillion scab shooters today or what?

[agile forge]

They were on sale

Nurgle loves a good bargain

[tall torrent]

@white minnow I asked kuli to check weapon stats for recoil reset (“salvo” mechanic), this is the condensed version of his results (because it’s super complex):

• Vraks 7 is the fastest in Headhunter Autoguns for hipfire & ADS (also just a single shot fired); ADS reset is almost twice as fast compared to Vraks 3, and ~30% faster than Agripinaa 9

• Vraks 3 has the slowest reset for hipfire & ADS

• Agripinaa 9 has faster reset than Vraks 3, but slower than Vraks 7 in both hipfire & ADS

• Infantry Lasguns: all 3 variants share the same hipfire reset speed, and the same ADS reset speed (hipfire reset ≠ ADS reset)

Comparison (HH vs iLas): basically reversed in reset speed
Headhunter Autoguns have generally slower hipfire reset than for ADS; whereas Infantry Lasguns have generally faster hipfire reset than for ADS

[white minnow]

so weird for infantry lasguns that it seems like a mistake

[midnight totem]

what trinkets do you guys put on your weapons

I kinda put the inquisitorial rosette on all of my melee weapons then customize with the ranged for every class, but I dunno. Kinda boring

[tall torrent]

Auric charm, ranged weapon only

[bitter turtle]

i put bells on my knife

[junior needle]

So it is based on recoil reset, the timings just differ

[tall torrent]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

i can imagine it annoying the shit out of everyone as i flail it around

[tall torrent]

Does it make sound?
Also which one is that

[bitter turtle]

no it doesnt

its just my imagining

lul

lemme take a screesnhot

[tall torrent]

I just have the gold fist on everything

[midnight totem]

glint orb for my ogryn's guns. Cause its shiny

[tall torrent]

But not melee weapons

Trinkets clip into melee weapons too much

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/b8e63f4b692d6717dc048ee35e59a674.png

[tall torrent]

Is that a paid one

[split sapphire]

No

[bitter turtle]

its just modded

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm I have it too

[bitter turtle]

oh