veteran-class

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon brother those 2 random veterans are generationally bad

[faint beacon]

I have 0 clue what is happening lmao

[oblique totem]

Damn, I was too busy here that I forgot to actually start the game

[faint beacon]

Bro what was that mission

lmao

[tall torrent]

Actually generational performance

[oblique totem]

Did you win?

[faint beacon]

Like I thought I could be bad at times

[tall torrent]

Yea

[faint beacon]

yeah we never went down once

they died like

4 times

each

[oblique totem]

That takes skill

[tall torrent]

I’m over here getting peppered by stalkers and those 2 veterans are:
1 dead
1 down in the middle of nowhere

[faint beacon]

The team player in me was screaming

go revive them

[oblique totem]

Did they run off on their own?

[faint beacon]

even if they're basically dead weight

yeah

yeah they did

and I still had that feeling in me to go get them

[pseudo fiber]

We're they using knife and infiltrate?

[faint beacon]

after about mid-way through the mission

I just stuck near path

[tall torrent]

I revive them
They run off
They down
They die before we can reach them because Ogryn move speed is slow
LOL

[oblique totem]

I have a rule about not chasing those who run off like that. Granted, I break that rule all the time but it's a good rule.

[somber axle]

LMFAO the fire rate on that is INSANE

[faint beacon]

Imma kms

this is so damn close lmao

[tall torrent]

I got 4200 heavy atk melee kills somehow

Very weird

[oblique totem]

Agony condensed into one image

[tall torrent]

Imma be back in like 20 mins

[faint beacon]

I recall some of the Ogryn penances are bugged

IN A GOOD WAY

[tall torrent]

Play 1 without me

[faint beacon]

where they are really quick

[tall torrent]

Neat

[umbral scaffold]

Gun Psyker open to suggestions:

[faint beacon]

Dumdum

literally just get Dumdum on that

and replace weak spot with...

Flak?...

[tall torrent]

Flak yea

[umbral scaffold]

I was asking what to replace - so replace punish with dumdum and weaspot with flak?

[faint beacon]

Correct

and you got yourself a solid Gunker, CIAG

[umbral scaffold]

Sounds okay to me.

Do I wanna get fire frenzy soon?

[tall torrent]

I need Ogryn rush 60 in one go

U wanna private lobby farm after I get back?

[faint beacon]

Deathspitter is an okay swap out for Fire Frenzy

[faint beacon]

I wouldn't mind if im not asleep

though I have like 3 hours to spare

Have work

[tall torrent]

Private lobby, Chasm logistratum we just camp first drop tunnel until first wave

Rush in a rly small choke point

[pseudo fiber]

You can also try smelter

[faint beacon]

I should probably do mine as well

[pseudo fiber]

At the very very end tho

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s why I’m not doing smelter

Map runs like shit on my pc

Plus it’s all the way at the end

[faint beacon]

I'll probably finish up my FNP penance in the meantime

as well get some of the other Glugger stuff worked on

[north pebble]

quick question. I am running a Kantrael Ia with the fullauto mod. since it's meant to be semi auto, does opening salvo make a difference?

[radiant chasm]

yes

salvo doesn't reset until your recoil does after you stop firign

for the kanty lasguns, this is really bad timing as well

[north pebble]

so if i hold the trigger indefinitely, opening salvo is active?

[radiant chasm]

no

only for the first shot

[tall torrent]

Inactive because recoil doesn’t get to reset

U need recoil to reset to gain it back

[radiant chasm]

for inflas guns you want deadly accurate+headhunter imo

[north pebble]

ahh i see, i'll look for headhunter to replace it then

[faint beacon]

just did the same mission we did last

we got wiped literally at the end HISTG

Reason

Splitting up for some reason

I went down once and it went to hell lmao

[oblique totem]

Your fault

Shouldn't have gone down

[faint beacon]

The 3 mauler overheads when im surrounded

mb

[steep sinew]

whats the best build for the mark 6 combat blade

[tall torrent]

I’m back

If ur still on

[somber axle]

You never notice how much the team is relying on you until they fold the second you're not there with them LMFAO

[frank ether]

sometimes you get those teams

where if you go down, it will %100 wipe

[radiant chasm]

very common occurence

[somber axle]

Gotta carry them sometimes and if they're too heavy you fall and they fall with you

[radiant chasm]

i've had teams where i'm just "alright if I don't clock in, i even go down my team will probably lose this"

[somber axle]

Those are the most fun imo

[pseudo fiber]

Depends on what you want
Lacerate/flesh tearer + uncanny strike. Flak maniac is solid though

[radiant chasm]

they really aren't i'm an eepy bean

i might have like

[faint beacon]

my friends demanded I try content warning

[radiant chasm]

good achievements

[faint beacon]

if you're on and we're done im down

[radiant chasm]

but i'm def not the best player

[somber axle]

The feeling of being the linchpin holding the squad together

[radiant chasm]

DONT RECOMNEND LACERATE

STOP

[tall torrent]

Ok

I’m prob gonna sleep then

[radiant chasm]

hell don't even recommend flesh tearer

[frank ether]

honestly not even as bad as having a psyker

[faint beacon]

I know I should be helping @somber axle with Twins tomorrow after work IIRC...

I think?

[radiant chasm]

it's uncanny + precog, riposte, or executor, mercy killer on vet with serrated blade

[tall torrent]

lacerate is bad, unfortunately

[faint beacon]

if we're still planning to do that

[tall torrent]

sure, lemme know time

[somber axle]

I'm still down 😄

[faint beacon]

Hell yeah

[radiant chasm]

if you wanna force bleed, ALWAYS fleshtearer

[pseudo fiber]

Fuck is lacerate bad now

Damn it

[radiant chasm]

lacerate is a waste of good knife weakspot damage

[faint beacon]

Im actually willing to VC for that cause that shit is stressful

[radiant chasm]

it was always bad

[pseudo fiber]

Then don't do that

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[faint beacon]

been bad forever

its a noob trap

[frank ether]

I dont think it was ever good but doesnt stop ppl from running it

[tall torrent]

It’s always been bad because knife has horrible body hit dmg, and it takes 3 hits of lacerate to build any semblance of decent DOT when u could just weakspot hit once

[faint beacon]

I'd love for them to change it!

cause its a cool concept!

[frank ether]

not like vet has any good bleed synergies anyhow

you got serrated blade and it enables that bleed blessing and thats it

[faint beacon]

I just wish it wasn't NON WEAKPOINT HIT

[tall torrent]

Make it weakspot hit only

[faint beacon]

true

[tall torrent]

4 stack on any hit is busted

[faint beacon]

I stab at head level always anyways

[pseudo fiber]

Ah yeah that does make sense I use knife on zealot mainly for the higher crit chance so I suppose that adds up

[faint beacon]

Does it ramp up with more bleed or just reset the stacks to 4

[pseudo fiber]

Gotta change my mk6 at Hadron now

[faint beacon]

cause I never really did research on that

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zapp-brannigan-sad-walk-walking-gif-11765301768654889825

[tall torrent]

4 stack/hit, up to 16

[faint beacon]

Flesh Tearer + Uncanny is the usual

[tall torrent]

Speaking of

[faint beacon]

AlWAYS

get Uncanny on it

[tall torrent]

I really should get on with my guide

[tall torrent]

Uncanny mandatory, 2nd blessing has bunch of options

[radiant chasm]

uncanny is the best blessing, on enemies that matter it is at least 25% damage boost to all damage you deal

[tall torrent]

Flesh / mercy / precog / riposte

[radiant chasm]

even better on enemies with high armor

[frank ether]

uncanny is silly

on any weapon its on it kinda becomes default

one of those blessings

[radiant chasm]

yep

[frank ether]

I don't like having these kind of blessings to me if a weapon has to have armor pen

it should have it by default

[radiant chasm]

oh wait

[pseudo fiber]

Love uncanny on the shovels

[radiant chasm]

i'm in vet chat

lol

[tall torrent]

Do u prefer mk3 or mk6 knife

[pseudo fiber]

I wish I had a decimator 4 though

[faint beacon]

Im ride or die with Mk6

[tall torrent]

Decimator also not that great

[frank ether]

personally I havent touched the old knife since the new one came out

it just clicks with me a lot better

[pseudo fiber]

I can take lacerate slander I won't hear it for decimatoe

[radiant chasm]

for vet, mk6 for sure

just better for clearing junk off you

[tall torrent]

Decimator is probably the weakest horde clear orientated +melee power blessing

Headtaker is better
Slaughterer is better

[frank ether]

Its also annoying to work on certain weapons

[tall torrent]

Dropping all stacks on miss is yikes

[frank ether]

like say fold shovel, I fold it and there goes my deci stacks

[tall torrent]

I did not even notice that

[pseudo fiber]

Counterpoint
All or nothing

[tall torrent]

Need to put that in my guide

[radiant chasm]

decimator is for weapons that just braindead spam

[frank ether]

the time window is enough to nuke your stacks, at least it was the case back when I tested this

deci-uncanny could be used on old shovel though

[oblique totem]

I return from a mission. Still alive

[tall torrent]

AoN is unironically more consistent than decimator, I just don’t like taking it on veteran because stam regen is worse

AoN + desperation for zealot is very funny

[frank ether]

on the old shovel its possible to stack deci on trash and then carry it over to a crusher

with the push attack overheads

[pseudo fiber]

That's fair

[frank ether]

on the fold shovels if I'm not folding vs crushers why even have it

[pseudo fiber]

I'd argue for like standard shovel decimator + uncanny is great

[frank ether]

thrust seems like a nobrainer

[pseudo fiber]

Probably bis over the three impact blessings you can get

[tall torrent]

Standard shovel, uncanny must, 2nd blessing probably thrust?

I think thrust + uncanny is meta for all 3 vet shovels tbh

[frank ether]

and I guess I would like limbsplitter if it didn't reset on hitting something

[hollow ibex]

mk3 better imo

[pseudo fiber]

Thrust on the other two I'd agree standard has light spam to be good with decimator. And no fold stuff so keeping stacks is easier.

[frank ether]

I think you can run deci, take a swing or whatever fine on old shovel

[tall torrent]

What’s ur reasoning

[frank ether]

actually speaking of take a swing

that was bugged

did they fix it yet

[tall torrent]

Not yet fixed iirc

[frank ether]

smh

I guess deci it is then

[eternal venture]

Mk3 knife has braindead heavy chains for single-target

[frank ether]

Idk what to run on fold shovels though

[eternal venture]

But that’s about it

[frank ether]

uncanny-thrust?

[pseudo fiber]

Yup

[frank ether]

yea I guess

I used to run limbsplitter-thrust instead

[tall torrent]

But it’s not so much higher dmg that it’s such a big deal

[eternal venture]

Yeah lol

[pseudo fiber]

Isn't push attack better too or am I crazy?

[hollow ibex]

staminja economy for single target

[tall torrent]

And I’ve found mk6 a lot easier to work with

[frank ether]

but limbsplitter has issues if you actually want to use your melee weapon

[eternal venture]

Mk6 is a lot more flexible for handling hordes, mixed hordes, and single target in one weapon

[tall torrent]

What’s ur mk3 single target combo

[frank ether]

I dont think I've ever ran out of stamina on mk6 vs single target

[eternal venture]

Special > Light does an oddly high amount of damage on the mk3 though

special chains into an uncharged heavy 1

[frank ether]

sometimes I get carried away vs trash packs doing push attacks for whatever reason

[eternal venture]

it’s a weird unique follow up

[tall torrent]

That’s for both knife

[pseudo fiber]

I was gonna say

[eternal venture]

Oh does the 6 do that too

[tall torrent]

Special makes next atk a unique modified light atk

[pseudo fiber]

Can't you do heavy 1 special

[eternal venture]

Haven’t used it in a while

Cool

[frank ether]

you get heavy 3 on mk6 no?

[pseudo fiber]

No I saw a zealot doing it yesterday I believe

Heavy 3 is the overhead right?

[tall torrent]

Mk6 can’t easy access H3

[eternal venture]

That should be your mk6 single target then, yeah

[pseudo fiber]

Or if you're in a pickle can always use old reliable push attack spam

Anyway I'm mad my only godroll shovel is a fucking mk3 I hate that things moveset

[tall torrent]

punch into L0 (L0 looks similar to H3 but has less dmg)

L0 chains into H2

[rigid pilot]

Huh I assumed it had the same damage

[tall torrent]

PA also chains into H2

u can only access H3 after H2

[rigid pilot]

Punch stab is still probably better for sustained dps? Or nah

[tall torrent]

if u don't want to spend stamina, [H2 > SP > L0] is good

but it's not as high dps as H2 + PA spam

[rigid pilot]

H2 is single target profile?

[tall torrent]

L0 vs H3 dmg difference

[tall torrent]

H2 is left to right cleave

6.5 cleave

[rigid pilot]

For boss/crusher dps what would you use?

[tall torrent]

if I want to spend stamina, PA spam

H1 > PA > PA

[rigid pilot]

Why H1, just to Regen stam?

[tall torrent]

H1 starter

PA loops into H2

H1 because u sprint with heavy atks

whatever u end up with is the first hit

[pseudo fiber]

Caught that crusher lacking lmfao jesus

[tall torrent]

In terms of dmg

[rigid pilot]

Wait that was without uncanny stacks

I guess crits go crazy

Oh nvm you had uncanny stacks

Not that hard to maintain but it helped alot

[tall torrent]

Highest: Mk3’s H1, H2 and L0 (after SP) have the same dmg as Mk6’s H3

In-between: Mk3’s PA has the same dmg as Mk6’s H1, H2 and PA

Lowest: Mk6’s L0

[tall torrent]

Mercy killer makes it guaranteed 3 hit even without crits

But yea this is optimal full uncanny stack situation

If starting from 0 uncanny it’s 4 hits

[pseudo fiber]

Also advantage of Mk6 save your fingers from constant light spam

I think knives are solid on vet I just like the other potential options that Vet has more than the knives.

Though I do have a shout + weapon specialist build I use knife on

[bitter turtle]

infiltrate wep specialist laspistol knife

zoom zoom

[pseudo fiber]

Bingo minus infiltrate

[bitter turtle]

also decimate suggs

[tall torrent]

True decimator hater

[bitter turtle]

all those lose all stack on miss kinda shit are lame

[tall torrent]

Only weapon it’s ok for is prob standard shovel

[bitter turtle]

the only one i tolerate is shred on taxe4

[last parcel]

dammmmm need decimator in my d

[bitter turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077358794612412569/1205302464224436285/1707435745020122.png?ex=662c4064&is=662aeee4&hm=81c801f96f3d710cd48323c7e8a7c203eeb60494346904efde01c402a435ada5&

for your status line

[pseudo fiber]

It's true though. You except me to respect your frames but you don't respect my reversals

[oblique totem]

10 veteran penances left.

[pseudo fiber]

Good luck gamer

[late hatch]

I just did an ogryn run with rumbler and 2 vets neither had surv

[pseudo fiber]

It's not as common now

[trim steppe]

I have a question about Melk's mystery acquisitions. You know, that feature you tried once and realized its a scam and never used again. Do we know what is possible to get from the mystery box? From what I recall its almost all white and green items, but is it possible to get, say, orange items? If so how rare an event is that?

[late hatch]

ogryn using rumbler or kickback very sadge without surv aura

[faint beacon]

Wait so you're telling me including that video

Uncanny + Mercy with lets say Serrated

is actually damn good with the Mk6

[oblique totem]

Once a week currency for mystery weapon. Sounds great here ya go

[pseudo fiber]

You can get orange stuff yes

[late hatch]

first one I pulled was blue

[faint beacon]

Expect greens and blues

a lot

just save em for the rng Purples and Oranges

[late hatch]

Should I spam out 20 and see what I get?

[faint beacon]

if you need Curios

yes

[pseudo fiber]

Fucking no lmfao

[faint beacon]

thats only if

[trim steppe]

Oh I have no intention of using it, I'm just curious how it works. I understand every other gear acquisition system in the game but that one

[late hatch]

meh I have more milky coins than I will probs ever use

[oblique totem]

Melk's name makes me think someone is mispronouncing Milk

[tall torrent]

Mk3 is a bit better in that

[trim steppe]

If you want to take one for the team in the name of science I'd love to see the results

Even tho its a waste lol

[faint beacon]

I personally prefer having a better horder clear option but the Mk6 can still handle Single Target crushers as such?

[eternal venture]

It’s a German surname

[late hatch]

blue, purple, blue, blue, purple, blue, purple, blue, purple, blue, blue, purple, purple, purple. gold, purple, blue, purple, blue, blue

[eternal venture]

I have a bunch of Melks on one side of my family lol

[late hatch]

I could have recorded but was too lazy to boot medal up

[trim steppe]

Oh wow thats actually better than I expected. Nothing below blue

[late hatch]

10x blue, 9x purple, and 1 gold

[trim steppe]

What do the perks/blessings look like, mostly 2s and 3s? 3s and 4s?

[faint beacon]

Seeing a decent amount of purples is not half bad I suppose

but 1 gold is

ehhhhhh

[late hatch]

20 isnt the best sample size

[faint beacon]

5% chance so far out of that sample test

I'd say try 100 sometime if you really want to sacrifice your sanity solely for knowledge

lmao

[late hatch]

surely someone has the actual stats from the code?

[pseudo fiber]

What was the gold I am curious

[trim steppe]

that's what I'm after but I'm settling for small n empirical data lol

I appreciate your sacrifice friend

[late hatch]

pretty sure it was this one, but I dont clean out my emps gifts enough to be sure

[trim steppe]

15% curio chance, best perk in the game

[pseudo fiber]

Wound curio

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-fridge-empty-gif-15623425

[late hatch]

Almost all t3 I think with the odd t4, dont think any had t2

[pseudo fiber]

Did you get a single +3 stam, 17 toughness or 21 health

[late hatch]

pretty sure not, a couple +2stam, 16 toughness, 18-19hp

1 was 17 toughness

[pseudo fiber]

That has potential

Can't go wrong with + ordo dockets

[late hatch]

Yeah I have a few farm curios that are dockets, stam regen and sprint efficiency for sprinting through normal damnation

[tall torrent]

If they have the same breakpoints but mk6 has more generalist moveset, I think mk6 is better

Not sure if they have same breakpoints on zealot or psyker

[faint beacon]

the chance for Blank awards are really only good for farming to make other things which honestly I should probably make a build thats good but also gains more ordos and the likes

[faint beacon]

Honestly need to do a shit ton of Research on it and attempt making a good Mk6 Build

cause I seriously like that knife

its extremely fun

More so focus on Knife but use gun on the side

[tall torrent]

2 I have rn

[faint beacon]

First one's gun focused im assuming

second is Knife focused

[tall torrent]

2nd is just for fun

[faint beacon]

Ah

[tall torrent]

I play knife + plasma so

[faint beacon]

I need to find a way to make it work with HH

either that or the AAIG

[tall torrent]

If I run smth like knife + laspistol I’d prob swap Duck & Dive for Shock Trooper to save ammo

[tall torrent]

Not worth it, headhunter is way too point hungry

[faint beacon]

AAIG?

Seeing thats my other prefered Primary of choice

Agri Auto

[late hatch]

Do you always/usually go for the bleed talent?

[tall torrent]

I switched to mercy killer

crusher deleter

[faint beacon]

Holy shit

Bye bye crusher

[tall torrent]

That 10/10 anti-armor rating is not for show

[faint beacon]

Honestly seeing this

and using my Auto gun build how I usually have Onslaught as a talent

[tall torrent]

Mk6 combo is a bit different from mk3 tho

[faint beacon]

I dont think its fucking needed for that knife combo at all lmao

@tall torrent Actually shit test it out on a mauler

how fast is it

[tall torrent]

mk6 combo is essentially:
if u want to spend stamina, u do PA spam for high dps
if u want to conserve stamina, u loop H2 > SP > L0

[faint beacon]

Absolutely taking note of this

[tall torrent]

Both L0 and PA chain into H2

Meaning you can’t easily access H3

H1 is right to left slash
H2 is left to right slash
H3 is overhead

[tall torrent]

mauler

[late hatch]

Worth buying? Dont know when I last ran bolter on zealot

[tall torrent]

yes

[faint beacon]

VILE

[pseudo fiber]

Does the knife have flak or carapace or it (or both?)

[tall torrent]

Neither

[faint beacon]

Im positive its the

Elite

[pseudo fiber]

Ah

[tall torrent]

I have +10% elite

[faint beacon]

weakpoint?

[tall torrent]

But that’s not needed I think

[faint beacon]

is it weakpoint?

[tall torrent]

Because the dmg is a lot higher than breakpoint

More than 10% higher

[pseudo fiber]

That's fixable

[tall torrent]

That it doesn’t matter

[tall torrent]

I have 10% elite and 25% maniac

Maniac does nothing for me lol

[faint beacon]

Okay in a perfect world

[timid otter]

Pretty sure flak, elite was the best

[faint beacon]

what would be the next perk

or perks

[pseudo fiber]

I asked because I was gonna suggest bodyshotting the mauler for the extra flak damage

[tall torrent]

Bodyshot not worth

Knife non-weakspot hits have horrible dmg

[faint beacon]

If you're using the gun yeah however

knives

you want to aim for weakpoint

[pseudo fiber]

Fair enough fair enoigh

[midnight totem]

Well, I'm tilted

[last parcel]

hi tilted

[oblique totem]

That's gonna invalidate your score.

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon this is for non-PA combo, it's very noticeably worse dps

[midnight totem]

Lost progress on my not going down penance at 5 in the afternoon today. Psyker flamethrower a barrel and sent me flying off

[last parcel]

fraggin psykers

[oblique totem]

I seem to be able to handle damnation now. Last three I made it through

[pseudo fiber]

It happens unfortunately gamer

[late hatch]

Always shoot barrels before you go close when pugging

[oblique totem]

Your support means the world to me.

[midnight totem]

Had no choice. We had a downed player and I ran in to save him

[late hatch]

What server do you play on?

[oblique totem]

I unno

[midnight totem]

His health was just about to run out

Just now, lost it again at 5. Team ran off in every direction during a horde, one walked through a daemonhost

[late hatch]

Go to the mission launch and press E

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[oblique totem]

That guy deserved to die

[faint beacon]

Get that movement and reactions down and you'll be set for Auric and Maelstrom

[pseudo fiber]

Reactions is the good one those sound ques are really fucking good learn them

[oblique totem]

Daemonhosts do everything imaginable to tip you off. If you trigger one on accident, your team is better off without you

[midnight totem]

I was playing psyker, and these two vets could not hold the horde, or shoot the gunners

[pseudo fiber]

Fire shuut time

[midnight totem]

One of them was using revive shout

[pseudo fiber]

Well good thing they only kill one player now

[oblique totem]

As someone who used revive shout until literally an hour ago: Disgusting.

[late hatch]

DH can be hidden in a horde and woken easily by a burst, or you can be thrown or pushed into them, but generally yeah I agree

[bleak jungle]

Depends who the DH aggros on if it's a big guy you got time to kill it Vet on the other hand no devil claw sword and just kiss them good bye

[pseudo fiber]

Or you can wake them up with your flashlight

[somber axle]

You're correct but there's a special magical feeling when going absolutely feral on a Daemonhost someone else triggered and saving them by just being scarier than the Daemonhost

[midnight totem]

At least I don't have to play assail psyker anymore

[rigid pilot]

Or if you look at them too long

[midnight totem]

But I'm just tired of this fucking penance

[oblique totem]

Very true.

[midnight totem]

Tired of having to play 15 games from start to finish. Getting annoyed when joining a game puts me mid match and wastes my fucking time with no progress

[somber axle]

Nature prepared this Cat for this moment. From crowning witches in Left 4 Dead to launching into Daemonhosts without fear and an arsenal made just to ruin their day

[pseudo fiber]

Slam a fucking molly on them

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-l4d-l4d2-coach-nick-gif-12332579

[oblique totem]

I'm honestly surprised I haven't run into more than one Deamonhost in the same room

[midnight totem]

But heaven forbid it drops me into a shitstorm and I spawn surrounded by crushers

[pseudo fiber]

Define room

[midnight totem]

If you go down to that it resets penance progress too

[oblique totem]

Like when you run into six witches and the ai controlled player just starts shooting

[late hatch]

Afaik they cannot ever spawn more than 1 in the same immediate vicinity

[pseudo fiber]

Because I'm pretty sure there are limits on how close they can spawn to one another

[midnight totem]

Tell that to my last Warren's game

[late hatch]

But I have seen 3 DH in consecutive rooms before

[midnight totem]

We had the first dh

[late hatch]

Like area/rooms

[midnight totem]

Then the second dh right after

Oh. Well I suppose it was a consecutive area

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d2-hunter-left4dead2-louis-mod-gif-23718796

Me on the Daemonhost after acquiring Chainaxe

[faint beacon]

I can back you up with this

its

so

fucking funny

Special + Heavy

watch the DH's HP instantly lose 1/4th of the bar

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-l4d2-gaming-wave-gif-17098028

[late hatch]

TH zealot enters the room

[somber axle]

Even funnier when you alternate Voice of Command and Kraks to keep the Daemonhost stagger stunned and stuck eating your Chainaxe revs

[pseudo fiber]

I think the worst demonhost spawns is either the magistrate oubilette one on the bottom of the hold out platform (before the first medicade) when a monstrosity spawns there too.
Or the one in hab drekko where your teammates respawn when they die just before the airlock to the finale

[oblique totem]

There is no smart enemy placement here, this is Darktide you're getting jumped.

[late hatch]

1 hit DH before they can even finish waking up

[last parcel]

cr0wned

[late hatch]

just bonk them on the head while they are sitting

[somber axle]

Thammer Zealots killing Daemonhosts before they wake up is the new Left 4 Dead crowning Witches tbh

[faint beacon]

That one time our teammate got tossed into a DH and agroed it cause they literally landed ontop of it pre-DH change

[rigid pilot]

"I'm playing frontline character"

Is there anywhere that isn't the frontline in DT

[oblique totem]

One day I will one-shot a Daemon host

[midnight totem]

Tomorrow. I'm going to see if anybody wants to run twins malice 15 times in a row

Fuck this shit

[rigid pilot]

Do twins count

[midnight totem]

Yes

[rigid pilot]

Huh

Thats cool

[late hatch]

Well the smoothest games I have had is when you legit have a rearguard

[faint beacon]

Empires Will Fall is such a banger

[pseudo fiber]

Smite maybe

[faint beacon]

thats the one of the biggest reasons I love fighting the twins

[oblique totem]

4 vets just unloading on a daemon host is also an option.

[rigid pilot]

Yea but the rearguard is just frontline#2

[late hatch]

4 frontlines

[rigid pilot]

Everywhere is frontline

[oblique totem]

And also frontline #1 when the hoard spawns behind you

[rigid pilot]

They love to throw 5 maulers or 6 ragers behind your team every horde

[pseudo fiber]

Do twins count with skip?

[midnight totem]

Yes

[faint beacon]

There's always a frontline surrounding your entire group unless you sandwich yourself between the two players holding off a majority of the flanks

again thats

very difficulty

[rigid pilot]

Corner camp is fine and dandy until you see 3 mutants, then the gas guy starts throwing

Also flamers

[oblique totem]

I have successfully stopped a hoard a few times. Usually with the help of a narrow corridor or doorway

[pseudo fiber]

"Did somebody call for a boom?"
NO

[rigid pilot]

Corridor is great since you can always retreat if things go nasty

[pseudo fiber]

I'm guessing you're playing Vet since you're here?

[rigid pilot]

Corner is scary

[oblique totem]

Vet is all I play

[pseudo fiber]

Shovel is like horde management king imho

[oblique totem]

Chainsword

[pseudo fiber]

Thats good at hordes but doesn't hit as wide

[grand perch]

Normal swords

[pseudo fiber]

And doesn't have as much knockback

[oblique totem]

I strafe between strikes. Seems to work fine

[rigid pilot]

Shovel is a fair weapon

[oblique totem]

Odd though that a shovel has a larger swing than a sword

[faint beacon]

I just realized

how

fucking painful twins might be now

[pseudo fiber]

It's a more defensive weapon I guess

[faint beacon]

Twins might be more suffering combined with Tox Bombers

[pseudo fiber]

Don't say that

[oblique totem]

The twins are a pain in the ass

[pseudo fiber]

Don't.

Don't think it either.

[oblique totem]

there are tox bombers

And I think one of them throws tox bombs

[rigid pilot]

Tox mines

[oblique totem]

Might be wrong on that one though

[bleak jungle]

Don't think tox bombers can spawn during the twins fight

[tall torrent]

They don’t spawn

[faint beacon]

"I SEE THE HEATHEN DENIERS" is going to fucking haunt my dreams if they actually spawn in

Oh thank fucking god

holy shit

[midnight totem]

Next patch notes

[tall torrent]

There’s guaranteed sniper, bomber, mutant, trapper, burster and hound spawns in 2nd gas stage

[faint beacon]

• Added Tox Bombers to the Twins fight

[midnight totem]

Tox bombers now spawn for twins fight

[faint beacon]

RAGGH!!

[midnight totem]

JUST FOR GALE

[tall torrent]

But overall not many specialists spawn for twins fight

It’s mainly elites

[faint beacon]

Seeing how it works it would buff the twins

and that would make me actually weep

[midnight totem]

Good

I'm in pain

I want somebody to share my pain

[faint beacon]

I took notice

[somber axle]

The backline is where ever you want it to be when you use Infiltrate and Low Profile

[faint beacon]

The 7 million crushers

[tall torrent]

Only 3s after they leave gas, not a huge deal

I think Tox bomber biggest issue is how much it buffs hordes

[faint beacon]

Buffed hordes are

Deadly

[pseudo fiber]

I cannot believe I beat handmode twins at 4am I don't remember what happened lmfao

[faint beacon]

I think the funniest but "scariest" thing to experience is a buffed mutant train lmao

[oblique totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746477735332806686/1210028479882596402/98C8E5DE-5D9E-4357-A8FA-EE00204B6795.jpg?ex=662c4e56&is=662afcd6&hm=60cde5ad7faec4bbf786363838355aea2cd1a8a04cac9ad1e71574efebaafdc0&

[tall torrent]

It’s not a big deal for weapons that ignore cleave

Like heavy sword or combat axe

[somber axle]

Now that I think about it I don't think I've seen a pox cloud buffed Crusher yet or if I did I didn't notice

[tall torrent]

But for non-BM weapons it’s so much harder

[faint beacon]

Probably dont notice

[somber axle]

Are they just like slightly faster and tougher?

[faint beacon]

they have a trail coming off their eyes

Green trail

[oblique totem]

Glowy eyes

[somber axle]

I hunt Crushers with immense hate and kill them on sight as fast as I can so I probably fought at least one pox buffed Crusher and didn't realise it but still

[rigid pilot]

Their eyes are blocked

[somber axle]

What's the difference?

[rigid pilot]

More mass and more damage resistance

[faint beacon]

to cover it yes, that and Increased Cleave defense

[somber axle]

I know muties ZOOM

[rigid pilot]

More tanky

[faint beacon]

basically you cant cleave as much enemies

[faint beacon]

same with bursters!

[pseudo fiber]

I stagger lock crushers with the standard shovel that's fun

[rigid pilot]

Poke

[tall torrent]

2.5x mass, 40% dmg resist, +40% move speed

[rigid pilot]

40%? Sheesh

[somber axle]

Ooo

That sounds wild

[faint beacon]

this right here is why Tox Bombers are #1 Kill on sight

[oblique totem]

Yeahhhh

[tall torrent]

Pox buffed mutants are insane

[faint beacon]

when they buff a massive crowd of enemies

it seriously can go sour

VERY

quickly

[oblique totem]

Tox bombers are a priority

[somber axle]

Pox buffed mutie train launching at light speed at the squad

[rigid pilot]

I suddenly thought of DBD clown lmao

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[pseudo fiber]

Also they make everything fucking green

[tall torrent]

Big problem is 2.5x mass for me

[oblique totem]

Here comes the pain train

[faint beacon]

I bared witness to a train of them running through a cloud

going from like normal run speed

to mach 20

[rigid pilot]

Mass? Assail goes swengsweng

[faint beacon]

that shit was scary

[tall torrent]

Anyways lemme know when tmr (today)

[somber axle]

Pox Bomber turning Mutie spawns into meaty railgun men

[tall torrent]

Imma sleep

[faint beacon]

Gotcha

[faint beacon]

I HATE TOX BOMBERS! I HATE TOX BOMBERS!

[oblique totem]

I also should nap.

[faint beacon]

Bulwarks become STUPIDLY tanky

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-expanse-mcrn-donnager-mcrn-donnager-railgun-gif-26384938

[pseudo fiber]

FACE NURGLE'S TRUTH!

[rigid pilot]

Nurgle's copium

[somber axle]

I wish pox gas buffed monstrosities tbh

[faint beacon]

Do

not

give

them

[somber axle]

Give me a tox gas buffed Plogryn

[faint beacon]

ideas

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-on-wayment-startled-idris-elba-gif-15124790

[somber axle]

Give me a tox buffed Burgle and let me fight Nurgle's hungriest caterpillar

[rigid pilot]

Buffed daemonhost

[somber axle]

Turn that slug into a sidewinder snake

https://tenor.com/view/snake-strike-rattle-gif-12291395

[faint beacon]

I know during the Poxgas condition

they do get buffed by it

[rigid pilot]

[faint beacon]

just

[somber axle]

The absolute worst would be pox buffed chaos spawn

[faint beacon]

dont piss it off!

[oblique totem]

Does a buffed tox bomber give larger buffs?

[faint beacon]

I dont think so

[somber axle]

Could you imagine how FAST a pox buffed Chaos Spawn would be??

[faint beacon]

I simply think it just buffs its overall stats

[oblique totem]

Fatshark, get on it

[faint beacon]

I dont want to know

[oblique totem]

Tox bomber cascade

[somber axle]

We need a new Auric Mission Modifier that lets monstrosities be buffed by tox gas

[faint beacon]

Plogryn charge whilst under the effects of nurgles blessings (stinky fart gas)

[rigid pilot]

Should throw some of that on the crafting patch

[somber axle]

Then make it double up with sometimes enemies mutate into lesser monstrosities

Make it PURE CHAOS

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-26833875

[oblique totem]

Mutating enemies is a very nurgle thing to do

Or tzeentch.

[pseudo fiber]

Uhhh

[oblique totem]

Ok, all of them

[faint beacon]

the amount of times I've had

[pseudo fiber]

No you're right

[faint beacon]

monstrosities spawn on me like directly around the corner

[pseudo fiber]

Korne maybe less so but

[faint beacon]

is the most Tzeentch thing possible

[oblique totem]

Khorne just makes them stronger.

[faint beacon]

no sound nothing

just

pop

there it is!

[oblique totem]

Think fast!

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1ScZkMMkDPF0vo/d1337g27XxCm?invite=cr-MSwxNjQsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Found the clip

[somber axle]

I had another awful idea

Hear me out

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[oblique totem]

Nah I'm good

[somber axle]

If you're inside a pox buffed Burgle and you are dropped to 1 HP instead of being spat out you just dissolve and die like a Daemonhost eating your soul

Pox buffed Chaos Spawn grab if you're at 1 HP turns into them biting you in half

[faint beacon]

so executions

[somber axle]

make them capable of instant death Daemonhost style yes

Team has to free you or you die

Make them even SCARIER

[oblique totem]

I already don't care for the Daemonhost's grab kill

[faint beacon]

I don't think they'd do it

unless its a Maelstrom condition

cause of the fact they dont want people forced to run set build

cause of said thing

[somber axle]

I don't either and that's why I said I had an awful idea

But wow it would be terrifying

[faint beacon]

I can see it being a Maelstrom condition

[somber axle]

Suddenly Burgles, Plogryns and Chaos Spawn fights become so much more intense

[faint beacon]

"Lethal Monstrosities"

[oblique totem]

Although I have also seen someone dodge all of its attacks so skill issue for me I guess

[somber axle]

I can dream for this Lethal Monstrosities modifier

[faint beacon]

Honestly I could cook up a few other Idea's

me thinks it would be cool if the Traitor Captain just blew your head off if you go down near him

[somber axle]

That would be cool for assassination missions

[oblique totem]

Melee builds get wrecked

[faint beacon]

Plogryn

Im honestly stumped

[pseudo fiber]

They did say more monstrosities so well see

Lower their stagger resistance though

[somber axle]

Plogryn grabs you and crushes your head

Pop

[faint beacon]

I want the Traitor Captain to be

[pseudo fiber]

Charge insta downs if you hit a wall?

[faint beacon]

apart of the Random boss pool

[pseudo fiber]

Reused karnak twin

[faint beacon]

Basically

[pseudo fiber]

Sounds good to me tbh

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-l4d2-cloth-physics-cloth-simulation-cooch-gif-27514848

[pseudo fiber]

I agree completely I thought that'd be a part of the update

[faint beacon]

me after the Plogryn knocks me off the map

[somber axle]

Every bone in your body is now dust

[oblique totem]

Somehow that gif perfectly describes my emotional state

[faint beacon]

Balloon deflating sfx

[pseudo fiber]

You know I think my only controversial opinion I have in this game is I don't think the longlas would fit

[merry glade]

what melk doin over there

[somber axle]

Plogryn would be fun for a neat special animation if you go down near them on Lethal Monstrosities like

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-gif-25068351

[pseudo fiber]

He made this one himself aren't you proud of it

[somber axle]

Even funnier if they do it to an Ogryn player

[oblique totem]

Looks like a taunt

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly if that was Elite damage instant cop

[oblique totem]

But it's not

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly I don't know why I said that

I don't need it

[late hatch]

Man, the quality of the pugs has been terrible this arvo

[oblique totem]

chainsword go brrrrr

[faint beacon]

Thats more Chaos Spawn

imo

lmao

[somber axle]

I wanna see the Chaos Spawn bite though

[pseudo fiber]

Why is your mobility wrong

[faint beacon]

You know how notorious that thing is for whipping Ogryn players around like a bag of rocks

[pseudo fiber]

Why is it switched

[oblique totem]

Incorrect mobility.

Do it again

[somber axle]

Like the last few seconds of the Chaos Spawn teeth shown in the reflection of the poor Teaser Trailer Guardsman from the in game start screen cinematic ending

[pseudo fiber]

No no mine has mobity at the top and finesse at the bottom while that one is the oppsite

[pseudo fiber]

I guess technically they lived that because they weren't eaten

You can see their corpses in hab dreko

[somber axle]

Yeah

Maybe the Chaos Spawn killed them though

And then Wolfer's men came by to gather up the bodies and hang them as a warning

Anyway brb wrapping up my work day

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-blanket-roll-puppies-gif-16611307

[faint beacon]

Okay so just tested out Path's funny little combo on a Bulwark with the Mk6 with Uncanny + Mercy

I just 3 Tapped a Bulwark

About the same as the crusher

this thing is hilarious

[oblique totem]

Shredder grenades do good work

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/29wmdd4UCQ6Wl3/d1337oqcBp3n?invite=cr-MSxteTUsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[oblique totem]

That's pretty neat

[faint beacon]

testing it on a reaper brb

[pseudo fiber]

Is that Mercy killer + uncanny?

[faint beacon]

Mercy Killer + Uncanny

Serrated

as a talent

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-notes-gif-5990133

Noted

[faint beacon]

Punch

aka special

will always lead into that backstab anim

really good single target damage

if you have stamina as well PA is good

[pseudo fiber]

I gotta say though I should have joined this server earlier because finding information about this game online is fucking impossible.

I would have spent the rest of my life thinking lacerate was a goated knife blessing if I didn't ask here

[faint beacon]

If it crits, 2 shots

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/29wng2qtwZ7Nn0/d1337EO9cK8x?invite=cr-MSx5VDQsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[somber axle]

Yeah this place is really good for info

[faint beacon]

Do not listen to reddit

[pseudo fiber]

I don't I assure you

That place is addicted to misery.

[slim dome]

^^^^

[faint beacon]

unless its MrCraime he has good info to dump onto you if you're ever curious about Veteran stuff

he is the exception

but dont listen to reddit

[oblique totem]

Reddit is a completely reliable and trustworthy source of information

Source: Reddit

[pseudo fiber]

I won't say anymore because I don't wanna start anything you know but I don't like it it's hard to actually discuss the game at times on there.

[oblique totem]

No I- I understand

[wanton dawn]

Or missinfo but we dont talk about that

[pseudo fiber]

Keep people on their toes

[faint beacon]

🤫

its funny to spread miss-info

[oblique totem]

I'm doing my part

[last parcel]

yes it is

[wanton dawn]

Meh, not better than the average discord profile

[pseudo fiber]

Lmfaoooo that's funny as hell

[oblique totem]

I think I've made my point

[faint beacon]

my brain physically losing a few braincells after reading that

lmao

[oblique totem]

Ok sleep for real now.

Later losers

[pseudo fiber]

I'm also gonna do that minus the losers

[wanton dawn]

Well its morning in eu

[amber cliff]

wait a SECOND

IS THAT TRUESTL

[pseudo fiber]

I needn't discuss why I'm up at 8am

[amber cliff]

MF

[faint beacon]

gonna do a match and then sleep, for I have work today

[amber cliff]

TRUESTL IN MY CHAT??

[wanton dawn]

Username checks out

Ah, its the subreddit

[somber axle]

Always have to test everything both in the Psykanium and in real matches because if I don't use that rule I will believe everything everyone says immediately LOL

[last parcel]

trust but verify

verify the taste of my nuts lmao

[faint beacon]

taking the Ogrynheimer build into this last mission

[bitter turtle]

unironically I can see his point

[last parcel]

i do kind of want to see that red rocket fly

[cerulean grail]

Speaking as a Veteran main, Plasma needs a nerf. It cannot continue to remain this giant “kill everything” gun. It’s absurd.

[rigid pilot]

It needs a rework

Heat is too much of a non concern and with it's giant mag size it has incredible sustained dps in addition to crazy kill all damage

[cerulean grail]

Agreed. Make uncharged shots not do pen. Make charged shots pen maximum 25 targets, or 10 hard targets. Make it have an actual finesse profile. An arm shot IS different from a head or heart shot.

[rigid pilot]

Maybe lmb will do a plasma fart, while you need charge to do a beam

[cerulean grail]

Possibly. Yes

[grizzled pebble]

P sword p gun columbus revolver pls nerver nerf.

[last parcel]

p gun pls p in my mouth

[rigid pilot]

P shout yellow toughness

[cerulean grail]

All of them need a nerf. ASAP.

[grizzled pebble]

[last parcel]

urine for a surprise

[grizzled pebble]

But I am veri bad I need op P P stuff to win.

[last parcel]

urine for a shooOOOOOOOOOOOock

[cerulean grail]

You are very bad. And you need to be punished. Is that what you are saying?

[grizzled pebble]

[eternal venture]

plasma used to be balanced around hp damage on vent

which forced you to take reload talents and decide whether to emergency vent or reload

then the gun itself got buffed while the hp vent was removed

[rigid pilot]

Yea vets now pee out toughness so it's really a non concern

[eternal venture]

I’d make the toughness damage on vent higher, for one

[grizzled pebble]

P shout best ability in game.

Here have some yellow toughness.

[eternal venture]

THEN vet got shout yeah

[grizzled pebble]

Fart so hard enemies around you crumble.

[bitter turtle]

idk

infinite shroudfield/ctw is more powerful than shout imo

[rigid pilot]

Doesn't let your whole team ignore bursters though

[grizzled pebble]

I am zealot and psyker main but shout for me is #1 by far.

[bitter turtle]

if your team needs you constantly save them

they are probably not doing enough

[grizzled pebble]

Especially with 6s cdr on special kill.

You just fart your way through a mission.

[rigid pilot]

It's just comfy and if people are comfy they play better usually

[bitter turtle]

6s cdr on specialist kill is hardly as crazy as blazing piety

there's a reason zealot is the one who does the meme speedrun shit

bp makes it so you basically dont have a cooldown lol

[rigid pilot]

I think it still loses to shout

[somber axle]

I'd just drop Plasma's non-charged shot cleave much, much lower and leave charged shot at what it is currently. Then it can still kill individual threats well but is no longer going to delete multiple targets very effectively unless someone charges it up first. A player might see one rager and spam M1 quick but see 8 ragers running in a line and decide it's better to use the charged shot to wipe them out together. Then it gets balanced by heat build up and the danger of possibly psyker bursting yourself with plasma

[bitter turtle]

have you actually played crit bp zeal or venting shriek trauma psyker

[grizzled pebble]

Shout just prevents things from ever going bad.

[rigid pilot]

From a team perspective I don't go "wow this zealot has BP and presses chastise alot"

[bitter turtle]

cause half the things ppl accuse vet of

[grizzled pebble]

I am sad every time a vet use volley fire instead of shout.

[rigid pilot]

But whenever vet does pshout it's hype

[bitter turtle]

they also do

and arguably are less dependent on random specialists to keep the chain going

no not even arguably

they straight up just arent dependent on that

[cerulean grail]

Yes. They also need a nerf. Anything else?

[eternal venture]

Then maybe decrease the accuracy, penetration, or both on the LMB

Whoops late message

[bitter turtle]

sure

[grizzled pebble]

Wut blaze trauma is so bad.

Pls buff

[bitter turtle]

but im not the one who said shout is by far the best thing in the game lol

[rigid pilot]

Trauma poo

[bitter turtle]

its really not

[grizzled pebble]

I am blaze trauma main.

[bitter turtle]

i dont disagree with dialing back power on everything though

that's why i like the surv nerf

[cerulean grail]

Just how bad are you?😈

[eternal venture]

Blazing Piety is both boring and effective

[grizzled pebble]

Also voidstrike is a sad p gun.

[rigid pilot]

He only plays sedition

[eternal venture]

And it has stupid synergy with crit cdr

[cerulean grail]

Good then we agree on something.

[grizzled pebble]

Yes anything else is too hard.

[eternal venture]

which should probably also not be a thing

[grizzled pebble]

Delete voidstrike staff and give psyker p gun.

[bitter turtle]

honestly i really like the surv nerf

its a harder nerf for auric mael than it is for ppl still playing low difficulty

which is good

[eternal venture]

I wish left side zealot tree leaned more into the “set everything on fire” theme

[bitter turtle]

new ppl really struggle i think with the game and learning all the movement tech

[eternal venture]

Give zealot bonuses to burning targets, etc

Yeah that’s a good point

The difficulty scaling is a lot more interesting now

[bitter turtle]

so making a nerf that hurts them less vs experienced players is good

[eternal venture]

And Auric in general is more difficult now with the surv nerf AND the change to toughness break grace

That last one especially. A lot of people don’t even know they changed the grace period for taking damage from ranged after toughness breaks

hell, most people don’t even know that’s a thing period

[grizzled pebble]

I didn't know.

[eternal venture]

And the change was at the very bottom of the patch notes, so everyone’s gonna miss it lol

[grizzled pebble]

My toughness is always yellow from shout.

[cerulean grail]

I want Hunter and Scrounger/Sharpshooter back from V2. For EVERY character. V2 wasn’t a shooting game and yet it somehow had a better ammo economy than Darktide. If you want ammo, you get ammo. Simple as. Darktide should crap out ammo, and regenerating ammo SHOULDNT be tied to one single class.

I mean it. If I can survive by NEVER. EVER pulling out my melee weapon, then I should be allowed to. THAT should be the neat part about Darktide. I can choose to keep shooting to my heart’s content. Imagine if you will, if Fatshark did an all ranged class- like GK was an all melee class. It should be possible. And ammo should be more plentiful.

[rigid pilot]

Sharpshooter for trollpedo was a little cancerous though

[eternal venture]

Trollhammer having sharpshooter was always so baffling to me lol

Ironbreaker with power buff on ult + rockets = dead 300% heavy metal patrol

[rigid pilot]

Sounds like you should play psyker

[cerulean grail]

I do. She is my third favorite class to play.

[faint beacon]

Honestly I've never really been bothered by the ammo econ issue at all

[rigid pilot]

Unlimited ammo realzies

[faint beacon]

I just see it as shit I need to get my hands dirty

[rigid pilot]

Yea I just pick up ammo and ping ammo for yellow ammo peeps

[cerulean grail]

Then you shouldn’t have a problem with unlimited ammo either.

[wanton dawn]

All vet ranged that arent meta need an ammo reserve huge increase to be competitivr in auric

[rigid pilot]

I never had a 4x red ammo game ever

[faint beacon]

Why I tend to stick to my melee unless its specials

[wanton dawn]

Cuz surv nerf might have impacted meta weapon but it was even worse for the "bad" one

A nerf that reinforce the meta is not the greatest thing

[bitter turtle]

i dont think it really changed any rankings

if anything recons were affected less because surv was only half of their ammo econ

shredders are fucked

but they're dogshit anyway

[rigid pilot]

It's mainly the brautos

[faint beacon]

The rare singular shredder user

[rigid pilot]

And iags

[bitter turtle]

iags are definitely fine

[rigid pilot]

The spray and prays

[bitter turtle]

ciag barely picked up ammo before

[faint beacon]

IAGs are fine

[bitter turtle]

idk about brauto i dont play them

but i doubt they are bad

[faint beacon]

Even with current Surv it’s fine

[rigid pilot]

They have to pick up more ammo now

[faint beacon]

You just can’t mag dump religiously with em

[rigid pilot]

But it used to be rather degenerate yea

Imagine not playing at max fov so you can see ammo around corners

[wraith flare]

It made bolter even worse than it already was

[normal spruce]

Which one of these is better for most situations? I have a Power Sword with Power Cycler 4 as well. Is the Boltgun a fun weapon to use? Tbh I just want a bit of variety, been using the Headhunter for most matches, but also don't want to be a let-down for the team,

[rigid pilot]

Bolter was never bad lol

[bitter turtle]

i literally

[wraith flare]

Compared to many many others it was

[bitter turtle]

just played bolter in auric mael like 3 games

its fine

ammo is not its problem anyway

unless you're spraying everywhere

[rigid pilot]

Surgical bolter is the new in thing since 3-4 patches ago

[wraith flare]

Ammo used to be fine with surv

[bitter turtle]

its still fine

i never came close to running out and had highest special/elite kills

[faint beacon]

Surv only nerfed Blaze away builds on weapons with low ammo economy

[wraith flare]

Now you’ll get fuckall ammo back on a weapon with a lot of downsides

[faint beacon]

That’s about the biggest thing it did

Other than what was stated above

[rigid pilot]

You dont have to like bolter and that doesn't mean it's bad

[bitter turtle]

bolter has its problems

i dont deny

[wraith flare]

It did fuck the revolver pretty hard too but considering it 1 shots everything it’s still fine

[bitter turtle]

but its nothing to do with ammo

[wraith flare]

I love the bolter but I’m not high enough on copium to call it good

My favourite gun by far

[bitter turtle]

define good

i'd say its a solid 7/10

decent with upsides but has flaws

[normal spruce]

Bolter is the Boltgun right? How good is it for people who go melee a lot too? It seems to have a long equip period

[wraith flare]

So plasma is 10/10 revolver 9/10 Columnus 8/10 id place bolter at 5 tops

[bitter turtle]

honestly

that's the most annoying part about it

[wraith flare]

Pre surv nerf I would’ve said bolter is 7

[bitter turtle]

and why i strongly suggest using the fast swap tech

ive bound sprint to an easier key for playing bolter at this point

wtf

5

idk

it still oneshot most elite specials

lol

[wraith flare]

Has bad ammo econ, slow reload, slow to pull out

3 glaring flaws vs a bunch of weapons with none

[bitter turtle]

also has upsides like monstro dps vs something like v7

which i would say is actually its strongest competitor

both surgical guns, both oneshot most enemies, similar clip sizes

[frank ether]

survivalist nerf probably not very good news for bolter

[wraith flare]

It’s horrible for it

[bitter turtle]

i played multiple games with it

its really fine

[wraith flare]

Can u use it, sure

[bitter turtle]

auric mael yes

[wraith flare]

Is it vastly worse than before? Also yes

[manic cloak]

Kantrael XII is in that same category as well for one shotting specialist/elites.

[wraith flare]

Would u be better off using practically any other gun? Yes

[bitter turtle]

idk what you guys are doing with this

are you hipfiring it all day or something

[wraith flare]

Never

[frank ether]

I mean I bring columnus brauto to auric mael

[bitter turtle]

you cant "outskill" ammo issues

[frank ether]

doesn't mean its better than agri

[bitter turtle]

so saying its just my personal experience doesnt really make sense here

like when i bring recon i can feel the ammo problems even if im mowing down more enemies than teammates

really did not feel any problems with bolter

yes you have to pick up ammo occasionally

that's the point

they dont want ppl ignoring a central mechanic of the game

[frank ether]

Eh at the end of the day

I just goblin ammo

[bitter turtle]

also about the swap speed

unironically

i th ink the swap tech goes a long way to fixing it

if it didnt exist