veteran-class

[somber axle]

There are some Psyker masks/helmets with the distortion

[thick needle]

Wish the "voice changer" effect gave you a sample button

[radiant chasm]

there are ones that do an actual noticable effect but i think they've only been in the pay shops

[somber axle]

The German Psyker voice with the voice distortion is amazing

[arctic rampart]

Yeah, I tried the moebian 21st rebreather and that one didnt work either?

[tall torrent]

Most are just muffle

[radiant chasm]

it's there it is just hard to notice

[thick needle]

Ye, the Krieg one only muffles too

[arctic rampart]

I don't have the Sion one, and I don't know how to get it?

[thick needle]

Pay shop

[thorn lark]

already long gone

FOMO

wait for the 1400 aquilas recolor

[arctic rampart]

I got the Armageddon Pot Helm and that one also seems to do not much

[thorn lark]

in red / blue / black

[terse idol]

Yeah muffle

The scion has the voice changer like a zealot one

And psyker has 1 helmet like that too

[arctic rampart]

I want to sound like an attack helicopter cmn Fatshark

[thorn lark]

the mosquito helmet

[tame lodge]

But no good shade of yellow

[tall torrent]

Wish it paired with Moebian 6th armor a bit better

[forest scaffold]

turns out the only reason shredder was good is because it had +100% power from pinning fire

and +50% power from blaze away

[hearty panther]

and volleyfire was another 50 on top with double impact

your dinky nerf gun would bowl a crusher over

[forest scaffold]

they just need to give it the same damage profile as the graia braced auto

and call it a day

[terse idol]

Yeah I kinda wished they

Made it just scion helmet but blue

Or something closer to the moebian 6th scabs

[junior needle]

It has very low finesse damage

Less than recons iirc

[ember folio]

Which one should I invest in?

for special/ranged marksman murder

[radiant chasm]

right go deadly accurate and surgical

[ember folio]

dang vraks that good huh?

[radiant chasm]

left go headhunter instead of efficiency and change carapace to

[radiant chasm]

both are good

[ember folio]

which one would you take? (after modifying)

[radiant chasm]

change carapace to maniac on the las gun

idk, it's preference

i think vraks 7 is stronger while mk12 las is outshined by the mkia las

[ember folio]

really? mk12 isnt the prime headpopper las then?

[tall torrent]

MG1a

[radiant chasm]

mk12 got some indirect hurt from breakpoints

mgai hits the same important breakpoints but is faster

[balmy flume]

7/10 deathless Aurics done.
What do you mean I am addicted to Darktide I can stop anytime I want ahahaha.
…
But ok my body is actually screaming for sleep lol.

[ember folio]

mind that my guns arent perfect though so breakpoints might be off on vraks anyway

i mean the perks are mildly poo on my vraks

so i should probably invest in my mk12 it looks like

[radiant chasm]

deadly accurate+ surgical on 7 is really stupidly strong

not the best perks but not the worst either

[somber axle]

Tbh I took a long break from Darktide like maybe half a year after launch so I think I missed a lot of changes to the meta because I remember Camo Stance, Exe Stance having permanent uptime with 75% Toughness Damage Reduction and Confirmed Kill restoring toughness damage faster than almost anything could deal it out and Kantrael XII being meta while players were cheesing Make Every Shot Count by using the plasma gun with some exploit I forgor. I totally missed the Shredder meta era and the brief era where Recon was overpowered

I only return a bit after the major talent changes and it was after the Vet tree was changed a second time iirc

Shredder being meta for Vet sounds very silly

[radiant chasm]

shredder era was the same time it didn't really pop up until crafting got a few changes and people could get blazing pinning fire very easily

[iron marten]

I remember the era when crucian roulette applied to tac axe

[radiant chasm]

crucian just applied to melees period xd

[iron marten]

Yeah true

It was funnier on tac axe cause zealot toughness damage reduction on crit

[somber axle]

Oooh ok. I never noticed anyone doing it back then since almost every game felt like all Kantrael XII Vets and the occasional Plasma Vet

Launch day statistics saying Vet was the most popular class by a massive margin LMFAO

Beta Vets casually putting in half a billion kills before release LMFAO

[hearty panther]

4% high difficulty success rate lul

shoutout to the other psychos like me who beelined to damnation at like level 8 or whatever

[somber axle]

Yeah beta times were funny times

[hearty panther]

the wins were arduous

the losses too, quite often

[forest scaffold]

old dreg stalkers

[last parcel]

@somber axle hehe double recons in auric

[deft bobcat]

Recon las blessings and perks? Im running flak, carapace, infernal and stripped down

[somber axle]

Beautiful 😌

[radiant chasm]

wouldn't run stripped down recon needs damage

[late hatch]

infernus and the crit blessing, or infernus and dumdum

[somber axle]

Infernus IV/Dum Dum if you prioritize the highest damage you can pump out, Headhunter IV/Infernus IV for better ammo econ and longer times between reloads. Dum Dum IV/Headhunter IV is ok too but I think the damage is less than Infernus hitting max stacks and ticking away adding to DPS

I like to run Carapace/Maniac because I am a clown who values making the VId into an anti-armour tool but if you run the VIIa then probably Flak/Maniac because it suffers on maniac damage and you will feel it on muties even if every other mutant enemy type dies pretty fast under a barrage

[deft bobcat]

Ah. Thx. For blitz?

[late hatch]

Might be better to ditch the cara and just deal with crushers normally and focus on best dps on other enemies

[radiant chasm]

and it doesn't hit carapace well at all

[somber axle]

Mortis is correct. I am a clown who hates Crushers. Do not follow me

But also

ALLOW ME TO SHARE

[late hatch]

with onslaught you can burn down crushers pretty easy

[somber axle]

THE GIF

Unless you set up for Rending Strikes/Onslaught with Deadshot you will not be able to do this

The VIIa cannot do this

My clown build is unrealistically silly

Do not do what I do to allow yourself the power to do this

DISCLAIMER TIME

[deft bobcat]

I use the the Mk2 with yelling and krak, and the VII with infiltrate and smoke

The game is for fun. I dont really care if its a clown build. If its fun. I will use it

[last parcel]

Clown as in it takes an unbelievable amount of effort to produce acceptable results

[deft bobcat]

Meh. Anyway, how does VII recon do with smoke and infiltrate with melee build?

[somber axle]

1. You need triple stam curios for +9 stam, Executioner's Stance, Rending Strikes, Onslaught, Deadshot, Shock Trooper, Surv Aura, Shredder, Carapace perk, Infernus IV, Headhunter IV, Duck and Dive, Focus Target and Target Down to make this work. This means your talent set up will be very strict and you will have little leeway in where you can spare talent points
2. You have to hyperfixate on stam at all times during fights and know when you can ADS for Deadshot crits vs when you need to stop to hip fire to give time for stam to restore. This changes encounter to encounter based off of how often you are able to benefit from Focus Target/Target Down + Duck and Dive. For Duck and Dive you must be a Frontline fighter purposely baiting shooters and dodging them to restore stam while having very little survivability. Play near perfectly with dodging, blocking, shoving, positioning or die
3. The Recon VId will still suffer on boss damage and the clown build I use does not allow you to grab krak to offset that. If you like smokes with recon ignore what I do too
4. CIAG will still do what Recon does but better TTK/damage with much better boss damage. But if you find CIAG boring like me this is a non-issue

I am not home and will not be for another 2 hours but if you remind me later I can share my talent set up to show you how my clownery is possible

[deft bobcat]

Um..... english pls?

[somber axle]

To translate from my clown language to normal English

I am a clown do not do this you will suffer

[deft bobcat]

Ooof.

Let me in

[somber axle]

I am happy to do this but others have tried and suffered LMFAO

[radiant chasm]

i'd rather die tbh

[deft bobcat]

Dont worry. Im a bolter and chainsword user

[somber axle]

This is a clown specific build and if you do not like the idea of your ankles jingling when you walk the streets of Atoma look away from me

[somber axle]

Then die. I'll get you up at the next checkpoint

I'm kidding LMFAO

Anyway one of the very few positives to this build is that you can kinda run literally any melee you want with it

I have and do

I swap to whatever I feel like using at the time

[last parcel]

if you don't want to read that, you don't have the drive it takes to play that build

[deft bobcat]

True. Thx

[somber axle]

Recon weirdly becomes an all arounder gun that can do everything short of kill bosses so a weapon you are comfy using against Plogryns/Burgles/Chaos Spawn would be ideal

And tbh the Infernus damage makes it ok

Not good

But ok

I just vastly prefer to swap melee because piddly laser shots at bosses is less satisfying than chainsword go brrrrr into plogryn skull

[last parcel]

i find the sizzling satisfying

[somber axle]

Cook and chop

Before my current Chainsword I would use a different Chainsword with Bloodletter and alternate bleed and burn

Rev up chainsword. Bury into boss. Back off and fire Deadshot crits to burn target. Alternate dots on target until dead

I should swap back to Bloodletter tbh

I miss it

[leaden hollow]

Introduce cats as a recognized unique faction.

[last parcel]

dont we already have felinid abhumans in the militarum

[terse idol]

Sneaky cat still recon pilled

Smmhh

[leaden hollow]

I have no idea, but I'll bet not all of you can eat the same amount of pasta. You might think yourself capable, but don't be fooled.

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bny54.gif

[last parcel]

NOOOOOOOO

[somber axle]

WAIT NO

[last parcel]

i have to change my pants now

[amber cliff]

thats the gif

unironically what its called

[somber axle]

That's what happens when a chaos spawn shifts aggro onto me

[last parcel]

funniest shit was seeing someone link it in mark ruffalo's ama

[somber axle]

WAIT WHAT

no way

[leaden hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825

[radiant chasm]

shortstack zealot moments before being tossed into the heretic's backline

and nothign else

nothign heretical

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862353927655653388/1231668406781087896/29bdax.gif

[last parcel]

i remember playingn a short vet and got on an elevator with 3 ogryns and all they said was "piper perri"

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-pain-big-chungus-chungus-gif-20705095

[faint beacon]

I came into this chat and fucking see the dreaded gif

THE GIF

[vapid nacelle]

Is this one worth trying

[last parcel]

the best defense is a good offense

hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[final steeple]

anyone wanna help me with the twins on Damnation?

[tame lodge]

Sorry but I'll pass

I was reminded that they are the hardest fight on this game

[thick needle]

Anyone know if Shredder affects damage output on chainswords if you're not using the special

[vapid nacelle]

In the context of "Covering Fire" would Shredder Frag Grenade be considered a Ranged Attack?

[vapid nacelle]

Shredder only affects the special

[thick needle]

Nah, only gunshots

[vapid nacelle]

Lame.

Thanks though

[thick needle]

you too

[normal sparrow]

Defense stat change stamina cost for push and block iirc, so yea

[tall torrent]

Normal or hard mode

[final steeple]

hard as a rock pile nam sayin?

[tall torrent]

I mean are you trying for the secret hard mode or just normal damnation

[final steeple]

ye im going for hard mode

i got a rando too

[somber axle]

I too need to do Karnak Twins Hard Mode

Is there like

A process to looking for a group for that

Or is it ok to try to pug it

[last parcel]

mostly just finding a group somehwere in #vox-lfg-lexicanum or something

[amber cliff]

trying to pug it out

what country are u

[last parcel]

yeah merge strike teams and you'll eventually find a group

[amber cliff]

if its not too far from OCE i can help

my tactic is to play quick play merge a strike team. And kidnap them to karnack twins

[somber axle]

Going to try it just falling into pugs to test my luck before I try to look

Also I am US West

[amber cliff]

ah shit maybe not then

[faint beacon]

@somber axle I need to do it also, I realize I probably could run shield ogryn for it even though I wouldn't mind doing VOC support vet

but I dont think it would help with Hardmode karnak

[somber axle]

Wanna group up for it?

I am off Friday to attempt it

Not available tomorrow because work work and I have D&D on Saturdays so I am unavailable then

[last parcel]

voc vet is good for all the gas and swarms, as long as you have something to deal with the carapace waves. shield tauntgryn was also a big help when i ran it

took like 8 tries with one group lmao

[limpid ferry]

is that one suit of veteran armor available yet? green and almost a complete suit of guard armor

[faint beacon]

I will be working uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

let me check my schedule but im off Saturday so I can stay up late

Should be home around 6 PM EST

On Friday

[faint beacon]

Glugger Ogryn with Achlys I think it is?

and the burning modifier

holy shit does it help RIP through Rodin's HP

[last parcel]

yeah, gungryn was the missing piece

was a breeze after that

[faint beacon]

VOC Vet, Chorus Zealot, Shieldgryn and Gungryn

I think are the best you can run

dont get me wrong Psyker is also amazing

Blitz Pysker IIRC

or well ahem Smite

[tall torrent]

yes

VoC plasma vet

[faint beacon]

I need to make a Plasma then unless they would prefer me be either ogryn cause I have both Shield and Gun well made for the Twins

[tall torrent]

plasma is just neat for elite killing

vet's role in karnak HM is to obliterate elite spawns at ur first given opportunity

melee I'd go rashad / power sword / knife

[faint beacon]

I'd probably run knife

that mobility is no fucking joke in the twins fight

[late hatch]

Isnt there a new penance for not tripping any mines also?

[last parcel]

more than 3 mines iirc

[bleak jungle]

Step on 3 or less yes

Only counts if in the final fight tho

[faint beacon]

Sounds like actual pain

[tall torrent]

It’s doable just needs team communication

Also doesn’t specify difficulty

Could be done in uprising for ez 10 points

[faint beacon]

true.....

I was honestly expecting Damnation

[tall torrent]

Damnation trigger < 3 mines is basically not possible lol

[grizzled pebble]

Psyker hater

[tall torrent]

Rodin throws enough mines to cover the whole arena

[last parcel]

bro made us play the floor is lava

[bleak jungle]

You just run two zealots with chorus and stun lock Rodin

[faint beacon]

read slightly lower and I bet you right now Chorus Zealot can be replaced with that mainly cause it serves as the pinning CC

Smite Psyker is a good replacement for it

[bleak jungle]

How i did it

[tall torrent]

Psyker can be useful, just not as good as veteran for this fight imo

[faint beacon]

Is Zealot mandatory however?

Chorus to be exact

[tall torrent]

No

[faint beacon]

cause I know Sheildgryn and Gungryn

make it

[tall torrent]

Lynchpin is ogryn

[faint beacon]

so so much easier

[tall torrent]

Veteran is good bonus

Because field improv

[faint beacon]

true

[tall torrent]

And nade spam + plasma for wiping elites

Zealot is good for boss dmg

[faint beacon]

Basically focus elites + specials over the twins

[tall torrent]

Can speed kill Rodin

[faint beacon]

might be the reason I didn't do too well with Vet vs Ogryn

my mind sees boss and I go

kill

[tall torrent]

That’s pretty much every boss fight in DT tbh

[tall torrent]

Zealot on a crit CDR build can prob use chorus more often than veteran can use VoC for that fight because not many specialists spawn in

It’s all elites

[rigid pilot]

Chorus CCs yourself too though

VOC is free

[tall torrent]

yea chorus is mainly for the gas stages I feel

[limpid ferry]

is weapon specialist worth keeping on my melee vet build

[tall torrent]

makes getting through gas stages way easier

13 maulers spawn in a door behind u

[faint beacon]

The maulers would like to have a word with you

the 1000 Degree plasma rifle in my pocket

Honestly what would be the best Plasma combo for Twins

cause I may as well make that

[tall torrent]

Plasma + knife for HM twins

I played gloryhunter plasma

To feed team toughness

Because my role is to wipe elites anyway

[faint beacon]

Toss me the weapons if you have em, I'll probably eventually get to making it

hell might be good in just base game lmao

I've never been huge on Plasma

mainly cause I just never use it?

[grizzled pebble]

I did it many times with all kinds of team comp.

[faint beacon]

doesn't feel right to me for some reason

[grizzled pebble]

Even with 2 psykers

[faint beacon]

reminder I have like 400-500 hours on Vet alone

[grizzled pebble]

Just need people who don't fold instantly

[bleak jungle]

First time I did it was 3 evis zealots and a vet don't really need a set team or anything

[tall torrent]

U need people who can hold their own when out of coherency basically

[grizzled pebble]

I liked playing my blaze trauma there the most.

Insane carry.

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon plasma

[faint beacon]

Mk6 blade spotted

[tall torrent]

it's the new roll I got, perks locked

[faint beacon]

Fucking love that knife

[tall torrent]

if I could change a perk, I'd change maniac to weakspot (because this ironically gives me the best breakpoints)

[faint beacon]

OH I see exactly why you'd want it

The Elite Deleter

[tall torrent]

Uncanny stacks improve DOT dmg from frags as well

U just wipe elites extremely quickly

Survivalist not needed because you don’t care abt ammo econ in this fight

If you’re not playing knife, u don’t need reciprocity + desperado stuff

Can go into 10% melee dmg, redirect fire and target down

[tall torrent]

Eventually I’m gonna run mk6 knife on all 3 classes

Veteran knife + plasma
Zealot knife + flamer
Psyker knife + void/purgatus

[steep sinew]

whats the point of the combat knife and stealth class on vet? I am only playing it for penances and cant figure the stealth class out

[faint beacon]

Ive been slowly leaning back into using Mk6 on weapons even if it shouldn't have it

idk its just a genuinely fun to use knife

Like I like slashing the throats of heretics in one broad heavy

[tall torrent]

Knife has the best anti-armor, boss dmg and survivability for targeting elites & specials

Stealth allows u to obj much easier in mission events, and be able to dive backline/reposition

That’s the gist of it I think?

[faint beacon]

Honestly curious, Grenade Tinkerer mandatory or do you think Cover Fire would be good for a more slightly support role in the fight?

[tall torrent]

I don’t main stealth

[steep sinew]

Yeah as i said im only doing it for penances

[tall torrent]

Tinkerer is better because you want bigger radius to cover as many enemies as possible

I think covering fire is just meme

Because shield ogryn is tanking rinda

[faint beacon]

Also the curios you're running?

[tall torrent]

Gun ogryn is dealing with rinda

[tall torrent]

I have a very cursed set-up of curios

[faint beacon]

3 toughness???....

lmao

[tall torrent]

Generally 2 toughness + 1 stam

[faint beacon]

Oh i've fucking worked with that

on VOC thats like

[tall torrent]

I don’t run health curios on any class besides zealot

[faint beacon]

pretty good

[tall torrent]

Ogryn building toughness is the way to go

Veteran building toughness is the way to go

Psyker is uh

[faint beacon]

Decided to dig through my inv

[tall torrent]

I just think 225 health psyker looks a bit cursed

[faint beacon]

when the fuck did I get this

[tall torrent]

Harvest

[faint beacon]

Take the Gets hot! I assume

[tall torrent]

Yea

Both blaze away and gloryhunter are good

I just like gloryhunter a lot more

With high toughness build up basically cannot take dmg

[faint beacon]

Im one who usually worries about my Toughness up keep more

so I might take your path

and use Gloryhunter

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter + confirmed kill is 55% toughness (35% instantly) from a single elite kill

[faint beacon]

we LOVE toughness!

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter also activates from DOT kills as long as u have ur gun out I think

[faint beacon]

Honestly you think the build is viable outside of twins

if you focus knife a wee bit more

or is it just solely fuck the twins

[tall torrent]

My normal build

[faint beacon]

'ate em

simple as

[last parcel]

threesome

[vapid nacelle]

Did I do it

[tall torrent]

Groaner -> flak
No respite -> headhunter
Congrats, godroll 550

[vapid nacelle]

I did it

I got a good roll on my Veteran for once

[balmy flume]

Well shit.
I actually did it.
I actually spent the night finishing off all the Auric no death penances.
My body will probably scream in pain from lack of sleep.
But now I can go back to playing without caring too much about dying 🤣

[tall torrent]

I haven’t started the auric no death stuff yet

Just been doing class-based penances

[balmy flume]

I will either do that.
Or give myself a game holiday and go Relic Hunting on Sedition difficulty 🤣

I…tend to hate the idea of having to solve puzzles under damnation or Auric conditions

[somber axle]

man

maybe I was wrong about the Lawbringer

[late hatch]

Scoreboard would be nice if it always set you at first pos so you can just snip your score without blurring names

[somber axle]

I think I might rate the Lawbringer above the Agripina Shotgun now

[late hatch]

It got fixed recently

[somber axle]

came home and first match I did I finished up the last 400 kills in one go for Killshot Ready

10 stack Marksman's Focus penance done ezpz

[late hatch]

If you use it on zealot with knives you can cleave an entire horde

[somber axle]

also just like

Lawbringer feels like such a workhorse of a shotgun

[last parcel]

i just paste it into ms paint and move my column over

[late hatch]

Yeah I could do that, but its just more steps. Idk how much work it would be but I imagine it would only be a small tweak

For the mod to do it every time

[somber axle]

I wonder if the horizontal spread with the guaranteed crit from Weapon Specialist counts all the weakspot crit kills toward the other penance...

time to TEST IT

oh

it's SPECIALS AND ELITES

[last parcel]

find a special train and fire upon them in defilade gg ez

[somber axle]

going to try to catch a line of shotgunners with the revolver

[amber cliff]

anyone got some stealth vet builds they wanna shill to me?

[trim hemlock]

don't mind the columnus pop-up

this is hand ™️ crafted ™️ to complete the 2.5K Marksman's Focus kills penance

[amber cliff]

what weapon do u recommmmend?

[jaunty tinsel]

I respect the rush to Iron Will

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/ec68740f311b684d485778c6e7dca1ab.png

v3+rashad

[amber cliff]

varaks mk 3?

[bitter turtle]

can also switch to 10% melee and close & kill if you n eed more melee damage instead of survivalist

yes

[amber cliff]

epic

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/e578675006e47822024d6a424cfdbb1a.png

laspistol + knife

i strongly suggest full auto mod

lol

weapon specialist fire rate buff + laspistol is too much clicking

[amber cliff]

hah yeah

whats the perks on the vks?

/blessings

[bitter turtle]

flaniac
deadly accurate + headhunter

[amber cliff]

one day they will mmake recond lasgun good agin

[last parcel]

sneaky grenadier with helbore bayonet only

[oblique totem]

I suppose this is where I should be.

[last parcel]

let's test that

how do you feel about cats

[oblique totem]

Feel?

[last parcel]

what is your opinion on cats

[oblique totem]

See cat. Pet cat.

[last parcel]

yes, you belong here

[oblique totem]

Awesome. What happens if I answered wrong?

[amber cliff]

cats are DOGSHIT

[leaden hollow]

This is wrong and false

[somber axle]

do you wanna do something really stupid with stealth

I've been using this lately for completing the 10 stack Marksman's Focus Penance but it unironically works better than expected

[oblique totem]

Truly a guardsman's paradise.

[austere mica]

What weapons with this?

[somber axle]

this is what I was using with it

allow me to explain

[austere mica]

I knew it was lawb and something

I’ll just use knife because that’s a build I basically already have

No idea how I am going to get man stopper though

[somber axle]

stack up Marksman's Focus to 10 stacks by tapping heads while standing still (only need 3 heads maximum since Camo will give you 1 right away)

load special shot

use very wide horizontal fire to spray into a crowd and wipe the entire crowd of chaff out in a single shot

poxwalker hordes evaporate

for specials/elites use normal fire with the lawbringer

[austere mica]

I knew lawbringer would be fun for that when I got around to it, I was just wondering at what melee

[somber axle]

this build also gives you desperado/trench fighter so your chainsword will be extra silly

for Infiltrate you can literally hit it and then stand next to a team mate and casually load special shots while they dodge/melee hordes

and then one-shot wipe the horde they're fighting

the -90% threat is very funny

[leaden hollow]

Are you really silly?

[somber axle]

yes

[austere mica]

Oh I didn’t think of that

[trim hemlock]

Lawbringer shotgun, and for melee I'm using the combat blade

Lawbringer ideally should have Manstopper and Scattershot

[somber axle]

finished this using my Lawbringer Marksman's Focus build

and it gets kills REALLY FAST just deleting hordes

[austere mica]

I wanted a lawb clear build anyway

[somber axle]

you can average 300-400+ kills a mission depending on how often you're able to get a moment to chill and load special shots

not like 300-400+ overall ranged kills

I mean 300-400+ ranged kills toward Killshot Ready penance

[austere mica]

But how do you farm for Manstopper?

[trim hemlock]

you shoot

simple

[austere mica]

No like the blessing

[somber axle]

it's a rank 2 blessing

only rank 2

[austere mica]

I know that

[woeful junco]

make a lvl 15 vet, consecrate shotguns

[austere mica]

I just don’t know what general rating to go for

[woeful junco]

below 300

[somber axle]

you can check Brunt's or you can just do the normal buy a bunch of random shotguns and upgrade them to gamble for blessings

[woeful junco]

so you need a new character

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

[somber axle]

I got mine at 30

[last parcel]

i just lucked out at the armoury

[woeful junco]

it's possible but the weighting makes it very unlikely

[somber axle]

it takes some dockets and plasteel to gamble though

[woeful junco]

hadron gives t3 or t4 blessings 98% of the time

[somber axle]

OH ALSO

this was a Damnation High Intensity Hunting Grounds

I want to show one more though

HERE IT IS

just so many ranged kills from evaporating poxwalkers

and they have a very satisfying animation exploding into a blood fountain and disintegrating into red mist

both using the Lawbringer with the build

[austere mica]

I love the gib where an enemy just turns into a human sized red bubble for like a frame

[somber axle]

tbh you could probably swap out chainsword for knife or power sword or catachan sword or something since the melee nodes on the bottom right of the tree will benefit them a lot too

[vale ledge]

Would a Plasma Gun or Bolter be more effective for a monster hunter build. . .

[somber axle]

maybe something with more Crusher kill potential because outside of Kraks it lacks good TTK on Crushers

Chainaxe maybe

or Power Sword

[balmy flume]

I am tempted to say Plasma.
Boltgun is not bad per se, just it is in a bad spot with ammo economy right now.
But ofc that is offset by Plasma gun’s aiming reticle.

(No centre dot, it instead is an AOE projectile indicator)

[austere mica]

I learned to use that and then modded my game so I never had to again

[somber axle]

I think Boltgun being able to full auto with Cavalcade blessing can do more burst DPS into a monster weakspot than Plasma but idk which does better sustained DPS

plus you need to keep your shots on target with a full auto boltgun

and that can be tricky unless you're kissing the end of the gun against their weakspot

[balmy flume]

Although I do think Vet is ever so slightly gimped/less effective for monster hunting in general.

[austere mica]

Bolter is way better for BoN because of weak spot funnies

[vale ledge]

Dude. . .he shreds monsters if you set up right

And ya dont even gotta be in melee range for em-

[balmy flume]

Ok true

[vale ledge]

And your much less likely to be punted around

Or grabbed

Or yknow

Vore'd by the slug

[late hatch]

2nd time today, anyone else getting weird crashes? Usually it just dumps to desktop if it crashes

[somber axle]

I haven't had any crashes like that recently or after the update

[vale ledge]

I jus wanna more overpowered plasma gun. . .:[

[last parcel]

yup, gotten a lot throughout the week

[vale ledge]

I wan 80% ammo. . . :[

[amber cliff]

this vet class isn't real

[somber axle]

brunt and hadron casino games for better plasma

or wait for the crafting rework

[vale ledge]

Thats not happening anytime soon-

[amber cliff]

dis shit aint real

[somber axle]

do we have any details about that?

[vale ledge]

Wait-

Is there going to be a craft rework?

[somber axle]

yeah

no idea when

[late hatch]

Yeah Im holding off on crafting until we get the rework

[somber axle]

or what they will change

[amber cliff]

within this year yes

HADROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

[late hatch]

You dont read the steam announcements?

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bJIlc.gif

[vale ledge]

No

I dont ever read

I actually actively avoid reading

[austere mica]

Unfortunate

[vale ledge]

S'what the Emperor would want

Less heresy if I read less

[late hatch]

But you cant read scriptures if you cant read

[somber axle]

how do we know we're picking up scriptures if we can't read

[vale ledge]

Nah I AVOID reading

I read Scriptures every day

[last parcel]

blessed is the mine too small for doubts

[somber axle]

are we just shoving "The Hungriest Caterpillar" into the Mourningstar library

[vale ledge]

I AVOID reading anything else at all costs

[amber cliff]

If you aren't reading THC then ur just a lost cause slab

that books ABOUT food

[vale ledge]

There are books about food?

[somber axle]

Hestia having to pause and consider whether or not it is worth attempting to teach the rejects to read and write when she gets "Green Eggs and Ham" as one of the scripture books recovered from a mission

[amber cliff]

The Hungriest Caterpillar is ALLL about it

[vale ledge]

Beasts of Nurgle:

[amber cliff]

eyyy\

[oblique totem]

Just made it through my first Auric run. Guess my build is viable.

[vale ledge]

Congrats on finishing the first mission of the next 3 months of your life

[grand perch]

The hungry hungry caterpillar is wasting food, an affront to the god emperor, especially when it gets corrupted and mutated at the end

[somber axle]

man

[oblique totem]

Yeeeah, it's hard enough with a dedicated team, but I'm all on my own out here

[somber axle]

I wish I knew how to mod because I'd change the Burgle model to

https://tenor.com/view/raupe-nimmersatt-caterpillar-art-hungry-gif-16538016

[vale ledge]

Thats it

Im buying Stellaris

[oblique totem]

Is it just me, or do teams of mostly vets tend to do very well?

[somber axle]

as long as there are no ammo competition issues teams of all Vets cover each other surprisingly well

[amber cliff]

They do well untill its time for ammo and everyones orange

then its the real test

[somber axle]

just gotta be the one Vet with a Helbore

everyone else can fight over tins while you're still sitting pretty close to full ammo and outdoing them all on damage

[amber cliff]

ye but then you have to use hellbore

like a FREAK

[oblique totem]

I run an autogun so ammo tends to go quickly

[somber axle]

I am a FREAK

I'm a CLOWN

I main the Recon

[last parcel]

i'm a weiiirdo

[vale ledge]

Based

[somber axle]

my only standard is "not the shredder"

[last parcel]

what the hell am i doing here

[oblique totem]

I don't belong here

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bTXO3.gif

[austere mica]

In 150+ hours I have seen 2 shredder vets

[amber cliff]

Hellbore's gameplay and issues are exactly why we wont get a hellbore

[oblique totem]

Still, all four vets in a firing line is always a great feeling. Maybe one Ogryn with a heavy stubber.

[amber cliff]

wait

no

i meant to say longlas

we won't ever get it

its fact

https://tenor.com/cQaA1o2pD3i.gif

[somber axle]

hey so like

do you know rhythm games

[amber cliff]

yes

[somber axle]

Helbore charge mechanic isn't really that

it's just fill bar shoot

[amber cliff]

no no

[somber axle]

imagine if Longlas is a rhythm game type firing mechanic

[amber cliff]

you were going somewhere with that

[somber axle]

and to maximize damage you time the shot properly

[amber cliff]

don't try and back out

what about rythem gaes

[somber axle]

yeah this is where I was going

[amber cliff]

no it wasn't

[oblique totem]

Hellbore is closest to a longlas. But with ironsights only because suffering nourushes Guardsmen,

[amber cliff]

your a LIAR

[austere mica]

Railgunner

[somber axle]

clowns tell many lies but also many truths

[amber cliff]

ill rail YOU in a second

[somber axle]

and they're all jokes

[amber cliff]

so sftu

[oblique totem]

The best jokes are the true ones

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-pomni-tadc-pomni-digital-circus-tadc-digital-circus-gif-2633527988494857312

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clussy-gif-24406426

[oblique totem]

That's why I never lie. Funnier that way.

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bfhYP.gif

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-stare-the-amazing-digital-circus-huh-what-gif-14848454493863729355

[last parcel]

bro didn't shower 💀

[amber cliff]

they made the second episode of that show yet

[somber axle]

"mom said it's my turn on the computer"

[amber cliff]

pomni posting is supposed to be dead

[somber axle]

I'm supposed to be dead too but Wolfer's men can't catch me when I'm slide dodging my way across battlefields

this clown dance never ends

the circus music just gets LOUDER

[oblique totem]

I think the second episode is out. Unless I was lied to, but who would do something so cruel?

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bOuOA8rD8i6.gif

[somber axle]

I mean aside from the pilot episode

[last parcel]

what about the passenger episode

[somber axle]

which now that I look at it got 307 million views

LMFAO

there's this

not really the next episode

just teaser stuff

but still funny clown shenanigans teaser stuff

[amber cliff]

put those animators to WORK

[somber axle]

I bought a Pomni plushie

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bGyvD.gif

MORE FRAMEMS

MORE COMPOSITING

[last parcel]

BEAT THEM DOWN

[amber cliff]

FASTER RENDERING TIME

NO YOU CAN'T BE PAYED MORE

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/then-pay-with-your-blood-oblivion-oblivion-npc-elder-scrolls-you-will-die-gif-20798850

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-feet-penguin-i-knew-it-its-all-a-lie-lie-gif-22610677

[amber cliff]

embed fail

Kill this user

with a hammer

[somber axle]

buy more marketable plushies

surely this will speed up development time

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-discord-peg-lube-gif-3845198471546101100

[amber cliff]

More whips to hit the animators with

[oblique totem]

Wow rude

[slate hawk]

[last parcel]

what're you looking at

no slaneeshi influence here

no sirree

no sirree bob

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-gif-27112118

[amber cliff]

dylan

how do u keep fucking up

[somber axle]

ok wait

[last parcel]

bro tried to post 40k gif 💀

[amber cliff]

We need to sit down and talk

[somber axle]

if all of the class chats were a chaos god

[oblique totem]

Look.

[amber cliff]

Your gifs have to be dogshit

if they get fucked up this much

Just Rancid gif posts

[oblique totem]

The suffering is required.

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1232958128128266250/igVideo2.mp4?ex=662b593d&is=662a07bd&hm=fde3c4f926951126171ad208e1627a65e6d92f196c4280a59d354b718ea051e2&

[oblique totem]

Maybe Discord just doesn't want me to post gifs.

[amber cliff]

Dunno why seeing the sticker made me react in violence

but it has

[somber axle]

Psyker chat: Tzeentch
Zealot chat: Khorne
Ogryn chat: Nurgle
Vet chat: Slaanesh

[amber cliff]

u got zealot chat all wrong imma be real

[oblique totem]

I can't really handle only using emotes.

[amber cliff]

its Slannesh, Always been Slannesh

[somber axle]

wdym they scream about blood and skulls for the golden throne

[amber cliff]

OH

Oh i thought you meant the discord chats

[vale ledge]

They need to replace the box with a grab attack. I want to be able to firmly grab a heretic and just rip em in two.

[somber axle]

I did but also you're right

the real answer is

[oblique totem]

Wait can more than one class chat be dedicated to a chaos god?

[amber cliff]

Leave my countrymen alone

as in lore?

[somber axle]

Psyker chat: Slaanesh
Zealot chat: Slaanesh
Veteran chat: Slaanesh
Ogryn chat: Emprah

[amber cliff]

yes its called chaos undevided

divided?

whatever the right spelling it

[last parcel]

divide my nuts lmao

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/how-about-i-kill-you-how-about-it-kill-you-instead-fucking-die-gif-25365917

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-milk-drink-gif-26603195

[oblique totem]

Gotta pick a side. Chaos undivided is for the indecisive.

[amber cliff]

that gif is just

terrible

[oblique totem]

Hey, you didn't want my gifs, so you get this.

Next time, be grateful for what you get.

[oblique totem]

Well I tried.

[slate hawk]

lol

[oblique totem]

Maelstrom mission wooo

[slate hawk]

With players that do not know how to Dodge a trapper and always get trapped

[vague smelt]

It's like they never played the tutorial

[slate hawk]

And yet they are in auric somehow

[oblique totem]

An easy mistake, I'm sure

[late hatch]

Tutorial shmutorial

[oblique totem]

Auric is the best tutorial.

-Everyone, probably

[slate hawk]

When they get trapped by the 8th time in the same match I begin to take their skill into question

[late hatch]

You merely adapted to the tide, I was born in the tide, molded by it

[last parcel]

hehe moldy cat

[amber cliff]

Playing through the tutorial and noticing that they have proper ogryn bot Ai.

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING FROM US

[bleak jungle]

They need a reason for us to play with the randoms

[oblique totem]

I managed to dodge seven mutants in a row only to be caught by the eighth and thrown into a net, then hit with a flamer and pox burster for good measure

Did I die? Yes. Am I any good at the game?
Probably not.

[late hatch]

Yeah the ping pong can be hilarious sometimes

I got thrown by a mutie into a burster conga line and legit bounced off the roof

[oblique totem]

I've purposely been grabbed by mutants with the hopes of being thrown into a crowd so I can help an ally not die. Success rate of about 40 percent, I'm proud to say.

[late hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1211542969472253962/temp-flametank.jpg?ex=662a9091&is=66293f11&hm=3e82687c81c9e58d7dd62ec0b336d624bbfed62c145f02067bca2f767c2dde59&format=webp&width=893&height=502&

or you can use them to gain the high ground

[oblique totem]

Hound swarms are my favorite. Truly a test of team cohesion.

[agile forge]

That picture goes so unnecessarily hard

I am so glad I just opened this discord at this moment

[oblique totem]

That picture is pretty cool. Great pose.

[topaz lance]

flamer best

[bitter turtle]

zealot chat has femboys

pretty sure it should be slaanesh

[oblique totem]

Strong argument.

[trim hemlock]

finally a decent result

I haven't had a good Veteran 'volver, like, ever

[last parcel]

decent

[lilac kayak]

Why need one when u got a plasma gun that overshadows most weps in the vets arsenal

[trim hemlock]

Because I don’t want to play with Plasma

[untold mulch]

Plasma lacks dakka

enough said

[oblique totem]

I haven't used a revolver yet. Less boolet means less kill.

[trim hemlock]

One Plasma user makes any lobby a fest

[oblique totem]

Right?

[trim hemlock]

Well, a competent one at least, the weapon doesn’t play itself

[agile forge]

I feel like revolver might work better with weapon specialist?

[untold mulch]

it does

[trim hemlock]

Arguably both can work

[topaz lance]

Plasma nerf soon hopefully.

[agile forge]

If you intend to swap a lot, the plasma delay on firing is a bit irritating

[lilac kayak]

Hmm indeed tho I've seen quite a few vets fail at using plasma

[oblique totem]

Shotgun and revolver seem obvious for weapon specialist, as they have long reload times

[untold mulch]

you can get 100% crit and free reload with weapon spec

[topaz lance]

Yep, that's a fun combination.

[untold mulch]

Still mad weapon spec only adds crit to one attack, not for the full 5 secs

[topaz lance]

I will try to make Agri revolver work. With Exe stance.

[agile forge]

Is surgical still worth it then?

[oblique totem]

I'm stuck on focus right now. Well, for about 900 more headshots or so.

[untold mulch]

if you abusing Weapon Spec

I think you can skip surgical unless you want it as backup crit boost

[agile forge]

What would you take instead

I only use zarona on my zealot atm

[untold mulch]

Hand-Cannon is a given

[lilac kayak]

Maybe crucian?

[untold mulch]

If he is using weapon spec, though it may be a good idea some crit booster if he doesn't want to shoot-melee-melee-shoot

but for zarona? crucian is just worse surgical imo

[agile forge]

Depends on what the fight looks like obviously, don't wanna waste revolver bullets on mooks

I just want it to abuse never needing to reload it mainly

[untold mulch]

it may not be a bad move to have Surgical if you need to do more than one shot and got no time to farm melee kills

Glory hunter

Honestly, I would use either whatever rng gives, or Surgical and have it as a backup booster

[bitter turtle]

you still run surgical on zarona

how else do you guarantee a crusher 2 tap

the revolver only has 51% crit base with deadshot

[untold mulch]

Hmmm

Then yeah, probably a good idea to HandCannon and Surgical anyways

[oblique totem]

Krak grenades are my go-to for Crusher appearances.

[untold mulch]

weapon spec to reload and guarantee a quick one crit shot

[bitter turtle]

kraks are pretty meh

not to mention

[untold mulch]

and follow up shots be aimed

[oblique totem]

Works pretty well as long as there aren't like, seven

[bitter turtle]

you shouldnt be running krak and revolver

together

[untold mulch]

Shredder Nade my beloved

get everyone prone

full, gib me space nade

[oblique totem]

Granted I don't run revolver so. Moot point I suppose

[untold mulch]

with surgical and handcannon your crusher needs are filled

[trim hemlock]

I will be running Krak and volver together

[bitter turtle]

krak is not even a great answer to crusher patrols

[untold mulch]

shredder or... smoke

[bitter turtle]

because of this

when there's a lot of them

[trim hemlock]

One sword is for monsters, the other one is for people

[untold mulch]

You do you

[bitter turtle]

krak barely thins them out

[oblique totem]

Honestly, I'm starting to figure that out

[topaz lance]

Krak is a noob trap

[bitter turtle]

throwing two kraks will kill 2, maybe 3 or 4 if you're lucky

throwing two shredders will knock them all down and kill every other elite/specialist in the vicinity

[oblique totem]

Might go back to shredder grenades and lean more into main gun being armor shredding

[bitter turtle]

so you can just poke them to death as they get up

[trim hemlock]

All I want to convey is that it probably doesn’t matter all too well in the grand scheme of things

[balmy flume]

So I actually tried Shredders/Frags during my deathless.
I can confirm it isn’t as critical to carry Kraks when you take into account your teammates all have various methods of taking the Big Guys down.

[trim hemlock]

But volver and Krak can supplement each other in the ammo conservation department

[untold mulch]

frag, get crusher prone

Csword rev

[trim hemlock]

Especially since Scavenger is where it is now

[untold mulch]

such a shame

[oblique totem]

Given that I tend to hop into random groups, I assume that the rest of the party is completely incapable of handling all threats

And build from there

[balmy flume]

I mean, with my current Laspistol build, I can even gun a Crusher down if need be.

[agile forge]

Eh, I do need to make a krak build too though

[trim hemlock]

I’m not bothered by it greatly, it was long overdue

[bitter turtle]

you dont need to rely on others

[oblique totem]

But shredder grenades sound promissing

[bitter turtle]

crusher have been powercrept by our builds

[untold mulch]

I usually built wiht a defficiency against carapace, unless is a melee maelstrom in which case I use folding shovel

[agile forge]

I might put it into my MF/ES/deadshot CIAG build

[bitter turtle]

running a melee AND a gun that both cant kill a crusher is rare

[balmy flume]

Or you can run to the other people with a train of Crushers behind you XD

[bitter turtle]

unless you're doing something like

extremely

weird

like idk

shredder autopistol and devil claw

[balmy flume]

“Hey you decided to ignore this problem, now solve it with me pls”

[bitter turtle]

or something

[oblique totem]

Honestly the Maulers were my biggest threat until I figured out their torso is Flak armored.

[untold mulch]

my complaint is more in typical fatshark fashion, they just nerfed stuff and didn't bother with substitutes.

An aura giving ammo to everyone? I see it bad

But some vet builds need a built-in ammo feature, in which they did not provide

[oblique totem]

That's my plan B

[balmy flume]

Yea Maulers you just shoot them in the chest.

[oblique totem]

I don't know if that's a bug or not

[bitter turtle]

maulers?

no

its intentional

[untold mulch]

Maulers got a carapace head

flak body

[balmy flume]

Granted I was doing a lot of Auric runs lately for the penances, but the fact remains: all classes have the capability to take on enemy Ogryns now.

[oblique totem]

Yeah. Since I always level off at the head, they'd often murder me pretty quick

[untold mulch]

you want to bodyshot maulers with most weapons

[untold mulch]

I find funny, because I dodn't aim at heads normally, that Maulers are just, same unit but they take a bit longer to kill

[balmy flume]

You would have to be extremely unlucky to run into a PUG where all 3 other people don’t know how to take down an enemy Ogryn with their class.

[oblique totem]

I guess I'm just extremely unlucky then because it happens every time

[balmy flume]

Even Memelots know to use their super charge against them/mag dump their Boltgun.

[bitter turtle]

what are your weapons

[oblique totem]

Six or seven Maulers- Wait no- Crushers.

[trim hemlock]

I don’t think any build explicitly needs ammo generation, unless you decide to rely on your ranged weapon more than on your melee, which shouldn’t be the case. People will adapt sooner or later, nerf or not. I’d rather the aura be removed altogether and replaced by something else, even if that would “anger” the player base

[untold mulch]

Why shouldn't be the case?

legit

why the ranged path of a veteran

[trim hemlock]

Because the game is not ranged-centric.

[oblique totem]

Maulers I can handle now. It's Crushers that tend to party wipe.

[bitter turtle]

you can still run plenty of builds without ammo aura and minimal ammo pickups

i do not run scavenger on most of my builds

and i shoot way more than i melee on some of them

like laspistol

or v7

[untold mulch]

Oh I know, but still I hate the idea that melee mostly builds are fine, but ranged can't

[oblique totem]

Chainsword and Graia infantry autogun

[bitter turtle]

they ARE fine

[oblique totem]

And krak grenades

[bitter turtle]

you just have to use the right ugn

just like how melee focused builds have to use the right melee

[trim hemlock]

To support a playstyle that hangs in the mid-high range and snipes things for the team. Just because it’s power crept by other options does not mean it doesn’t have a place to be, it’s just not superbly well implemented

[bitter turtle]

you cant use crucis thunderhammer only or chainaxe only without feeling gimped

because they're not meant to take tha trole

[trim hemlock]

And even then

MF can be played at close range

[bitter turtle]

just like how shooting 24/7 with a revolver or bolter is not how its meant to be used

if you want to play a gun focused build

then just run a gun that can do it

like i said

v7 can shoot all day

i literally picked up no ammo and ended up with a full magazine with survivalist pre nerf

every game

[oblique totem]

v7?

[untold mulch]

agreed, but I have found lately sentiment in some parts of the community that no gun should allow you gun mostly

[bitter turtle]

vraks 7

well

regardless of their sentiment

[balmy flume]

Speaking for myself as a Powersword/Shred/Laspistol user, with middle Keystone, I find the key to Crushers is distance.
Never allow yourself to be cornered in by them. Just have lots of space to circle around. Their attacks are as clumsy as their size suggests. Have lots of back room to draw them out, kill one by one.
If you have a bad PUG day, just kite a Crusher train to teach them a lesson…

[bitter turtle]

as i said

its just simply not true

[trim hemlock]

Vraks 7 Headhunter Autogun

[bitter turtle]

a lot of guns can be played gun first melee second

even with the nerf

[trim hemlock]

You just have to, like, place your shots

Decently enough at least

[oblique totem]

I liked the headhunter autoguns innitially, but infantry autoguns have grown on me

[bitter turtle]

and slightly less efficient guns like CIAG can no longer spray hordes 24/7 and still have healthy ammo count

which is frankly a good thing

[untold mulch]

Hmm

[oblique totem]

I just love more dakka

[agile forge]

It's OK for some people to be thirstier than others for ammo

Tbh CIAG isn't that inefficient

[trim hemlock]

Yes. Me as Gunlugger Ogryn

But then I destroy the entire level by myself

[untold mulch]

Ogryn needs a multilaser

would be fun

[agile forge]

Yeah! And then it's supported by others not needing as much ammo

Like your infantry or helbore lasguns

Or psykers with staves

[balmy flume]

For Crushers and IAG, remember to take the nodes that give damage to Ogryns and adds shred to weapons. Then dodge backwards and mag dump into Crushers. Preferably headshots but body will do.
Bonus if you use the middle keystone for the “tag to add damage” ability.

[untold mulch]

finding psyker only matches is fun

Oh thank you for all the ammo pick ups

[trim hemlock]

Helbro lasguns are in my view insanely good in the “nerfed” state of Scavenger

[oblique totem]

Sadly the ammo aura does not give all that much back so I quickly run out of ammo. But that's fine cause the chainsword does good work.

[trim hemlock]

But I doubt that they will see a resurgence

[agile forge]

Or dump a shovel 7 spike into their brain :)

[trim hemlock]

People don’t like guns that take a long time to pull out

[untold mulch]

Lucius has never needed scavenger post patch 13

[topaz lance]

Hm I should really try Vraks 7 again

[agile forge]

It helps that the gun is also a solid melee weapon

[untold mulch]

My main annoyance of Lucius builds, is that you NEED to pick +25% ammo for shocktrooper

[bitter turtle]

the gun requires fairly strict rolls on it @ v7

[trim hemlock]

No, definitely not, but taking the aura “for the team” was a relatively common occurrence

[balmy flume]

I suspect is why Laspistol is my unexpected new favourite weapon nowadays.

[untold mulch]

so its a point that is useless

[bitter turtle]

unarmored/flak + deadly accurate/surgical

[oblique totem]

I make sure to use carapace armor extra damage and elite extra damage perks

[untold mulch]

oh yeah

but that, Lucius is just infinite ammo

unless you are actually kinda dumb

[agile forge]

Imo makes more sense with movespeed aura just because of agile engagement

[balmy flume]

Becomes a bit less useless on no ammo Auric Maelstroms TBH, but admittedly niche case.

[untold mulch]

Fair

[trim hemlock]

I still have a build that accommodates it

[untold mulch]

ANother day of saying

melee only maesltrom are in

[topaz lance]

Is this to run with Deadshot + exe stance?

[untold mulch]

when all shooters maelstrom 🗿

[oblique totem]

All shooter squads are fun though

[untold mulch]

4 guardsman match is fun

[oblique totem]

Since gun > sword

[untold mulch]

my last one

was 3 lasgunners

and 1 plasma gunner

we were memeing he was the squad lead

[balmy flume]

Deadshot with Laspistol…
I can spam Laspistol shots throughout Aurics lol.
Is surprisingly effective, combined with the node that gives more damage over distance.

[oblique totem]

The all guardsman party is always my favorite dynamic

[untold mulch]

100%

All Guardsman Party
A-men
Warp Storm?
Ogryn no idea

[balmy flume]

Got my last Auric Maelstrom no death run with an all Guardsmen party.

[oblique totem]

See? The Guard gets it done

[balmy flume]

Voice of Command is Pog.

You essentially become Darktide’s version of the TF2 medic.

[oblique totem]

I really like Voice of Command.

[untold mulch]

That line I heard it the first time after a very tough encounter were only me and my friend as vets survived with low hp

the line of "GUARD GETS IT DONE"

was so well timed

[balmy flume]

For your Crusher troubles, remember to spam VoC because of the knock back effect (IIRC affects Crushers too). Bonus if your curios have ability cool-down hastening.

[oblique totem]

Infiltrator has some situational use but the ability to give everyone full toughness and pull up fallen comrades is just too good to pass up

[topaz lance]

VoC needs a nerf 🙂

[untold mulch]

Infiltrator I run cosntantly because is amazing to use offensively

[balmy flume]

I will only panic if and when that actually happens lol.

[oblique totem]

Shh, they might be listening

[untold mulch]

VoC is terrible man

who would pick it up

trash pick

👀

are they gone?

[oblique totem]

Totally.

[topaz lance]

Good, they should take away crutches like VoC.

It's boring.

[oblique totem]

Although, infiltrator works fantastic for when you're the only one left and need to get to three people held captive on the other side of the map

[agile forge]

Funnily enough the revive node is usually seen as not worth it, potentially detrimental

[oblique totem]

Is it?

I love it

[agile forge]

It's all about the overpowered overtoughness

[balmy flume]

Arguably depending on when you do the resurrection pull, you need Shredder nades and/or VoC for backup.
Otherwise you get them up and, if they are not ready, they go down again.

[untold mulch]

Maesltrom, I clutched a match 3 times at that situation

[agile forge]

You get to hit it on CD at a faster rate without

Also larger radius

[untold mulch]

Also Infiltrate lets you do some stupid aggresive moves

[balmy flume]

When that happens I just go back to running Exec. Stance. Which was my go to before my VoC conversion.

[untold mulch]

you can push to the point of stupid danger

[oblique totem]

Honestly I love when that happens.

[untold mulch]

and pop infiltrate and leave

[balmy flume]

Been in Darktide since the earliest days when Exec was all we had lol.

Won’t cry going back to it.

[agile forge]

Although if you enjoy the Heroes Never Die thing then go for it lol

[untold mulch]

I prefer infiltrate than old exec stance

[topaz lance]

That one could actually use a buff to bring it up to par imo.

[oblique totem]

Second pick for me is infiltrator then exec stance.

[untold mulch]

Biggest infiltrate problem?

[oblique totem]

Not sure why but everytime I try to run exec stance, I get wrecked

[untold mulch]

terrible pathing if you want to get ranged buffs

[agile forge]

Bear in mind that VoC already buys you the space to res people anyway

[agile forge]

Real.

It's so good but so shit lol

[untold mulch]

Because it wants you to focus plinking heads, but gives you no survivability and game does backspawns on you

[balmy flume]

Current Exec stance is weird in that it kind of relies on your teammates to cover your CQC areas whilst you gun down distant threats. Which can be difficult to work with in PUGs

[oblique totem]

Of course, there are also those moments where you can chain it for like, a minute straight

[untold mulch]

It needs to allow you change to melee for a few seconds

[agile forge]

You want a melee weapon that can clear space very fast for it

[untold mulch]

and less tax nodes

[topaz lance]

What VoC does do a vet

[untold mulch]

Exec Stance you get taxed for Basic fucking stuff

[untold mulch]

Yeah that feels amazing

[oblique totem]

The future is now, old man

[agile forge]

The refresh should be base

[untold mulch]

mhmm

[topaz lance]

Seriously, VoC teaches you stupid ways to play the game.

[balmy flume]

I mean, despite me liking VoC now, I still miss the functionality of Exec stance in all honesty.
Immediately highlighting snipers and whatnot is still very useful.

[topaz lance]

Oh yes indeed! Irks me the wrong way that switching just cancels it. No reason for it,
Make the refresh part of the base node and I think it's at a better place.

[untold mulch]

I just learned to not need the outline

[balmy flume]

Less stupid, but more like…you become a sort of frontline officer, which is how I felt running it in general.
You do still get downed for playing stupidly.

[untold mulch]

VoC with 100 overtoughness

[balmy flume]

Yea trust me I did get downed even with the extra toughness.
Say what you like about my skills there, I acknowledge I am not TEH PROS at this lol.

[topaz lance]

ALSO; WEAPONS SPECIALIST IS NOT TRIGGERED BY EXE STANCE FOR SOME REASON?

[untold mulch]

Still not fixed?

kek

lmao even

[topaz lance]

I don't think so

[untold mulch]

maybe they will bother in 2027

[balmy flume]

Exec. Stance is literally “sniper” build at this point.

[untold mulch]

they took 3 months to fix the one that gives you DR for weakspot kills

[balmy flume]

But without a true sniper rifle.

[untold mulch]

I have said

Longlas with innate suppresion when weakspot kill

gives a niche in horde shooter to supress parts of the area

[topaz lance]

exe + weapon specialist is my favorite way to play ver

[untold mulch]

You would be scared shitless if you are rushing 4 dudes and one quickscopes the head out of your friend

[topaz lance]

vet

[agile forge]

It's fucking great on autoguns with good headshot multipliers