veteran-class

[somber axle]

I like laser

[untold mulch]

like I didn't bought a fucking 40k game

to shoot bullet into zombie

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-pomni-well-okay-gif-10305131393694869771

[faint beacon]

Where’s my fucking Burst laser gun huh? (They probably don’t exist)

[somber axle]

CIAG is objectively the best gun in the game but if I rated it based on my personal preference it would be one of the lowest tiered weapons so I had to be fair and rate things partially for fun and partially for function. I can't deny how effective the CIAG is even if I dislike it

[last parcel]

put sustained fire on a recon and manually burst. then watch as your teammates die from a stroke trying to process your playstyle

[lone shoal]

So I heard that if I want the flakker blessing, I need to roll a bunch of shotguns while I'm level 10-20, is that correct?

[faint beacon]

I would do that but I’d like a Laser HH basically

[last parcel]

you have failed the emperor

[untold mulch]

IV should have been

with the rate of fire it has

[faint beacon]

They probably should rework it sometime

That or that fucking gun in general my god

Fun but extremely lack luster compared to everything else

[untold mulch]

if a weapon needs a fucking autofire mod to not hurt your hands

you probably need to recheck some math

on another topic, Light variant of laspistol being burst fire

that or full go gansta Uzi

[vague smelt]

What weapons benefit mostly from Marksman Focus?

[untold mulch]

Probably only a few, last I heard it has an issue that most guns that benefits from the finesse, already are oneshotting their targets

I think one vraks loved it though?

[faint beacon]

Vraks + MF

very good combo

[lone shoal]

[vague smelt]

What's a good las gun discounting Reccon VIIa

[untold mulch]

MG Ia is the best infantry

[faint beacon]

MG1a iirc

[untold mulch]

Lucius I and II are good

[faint beacon]

if you're looking for a good stock Lasgun

[untold mulch]

III is a pain

[faint beacon]

Helbores are all good minus 3 but its more niche

[faint beacon]

Big target hunting basically

[vague smelt]

What about MG XII ?

I heard it's heavy damage

[untold mulch]

So

Infantry:
IV: Does too little and shoots too fast, so you are not pulling the performance you should, silly ammo though
Ia: Peak, has nice breakpoints on weakspots against a lot of stuff
XII: Not bad, but overshadowed by Ia, that has similar breakpoints but better RoF

[vague smelt]

I see

[untold mulch]

Lucius, I and II is taste, III is not bad, but the bayonet is dreadful

and fire slow as hell

[vague smelt]

Do crits fix the problen with ammo for IV

[untold mulch]

I have used IV pretty much full auto with a mod for max RoF allowed and never been close to running out

A massive note and warning of Infantry lasguns

they have a stupid as hell reverse falloff

[vague smelt]

Reverse?

so

[untold mulch]

You do less damage the closer they are

so IV is even worse

[vague smelt]

Why¿?

[untold mulch]

because the shark is dumbo

[tame lodge]

Can't wait for when they add an overkill damage penance and everyone starts using plasma and Hell3

[faint beacon]

Hits like a fucking truck though, so its more like a Las-sniper than really anything

[untold mulch]

I sure love a horde game when 90% of stuff gets close

[somber axle]

Mg1a is highest DPS, Mk XII can hit a few breakpoints Mg1a can't but it isn't a big deal because the Mg1a fires so fast the TTK difference is insignificant

[untold mulch]

for a weapon that gets worse closer

[somber axle]

You can kinda play which ever gun you like most

IV has crazy fire rate so beware

Mg1a has fast fire rate but it is manageable

[faint beacon]

IV also kicks like fucking crazy

[somber axle]

IV is much faster

[untold mulch]

Too much recoil/firerate

[faint beacon]

so you'll have to learn to control the recoil

[untold mulch]

IV needs desperately a burst + recoil rreduction

[vague smelt]

I mean I'd like an effective weapon

not a nerf gun

But also to have fun

[faint beacon]

Hellbores most likely

hit hard

[somber axle]

Most effective Lasguns will be Mk II Lucius and Mk III Lucius tbh

[faint beacon]

overall reliable

[untold mulch]

Lucius would feeld better

[vague smelt]

I just don't want to use this I crafted today:

[untold mulch]

Infantry suffers big against flak

[faint beacon]

their downside is just deploy speed

[somber axle]

Mk III Lucius can literally one shot Crushers with the right build

[vague smelt]

I'm tired of seeing

[untold mulch]

and with the bayonet

you should be able to not change much

[vague smelt]

I'm tired of using it

[somber axle]

Mk II is basically a Mg1a but if it could kill Crushers

[untold mulch]

You can

but is kinda annoying

[somber axle]

Helbores are very strong

[vague smelt]

So..

MKII is like a sniper?

[untold mulch]

Lucius are only dragged by their unwieldiness, if you get the hang of the bayonet

[somber axle]

Also the bayonet on the Mk II Lucius is a dream

[last parcel]

theyre all snipers

[radiant chasm]

helbores are high risk high reward, the mk3 especially

[untold mulch]

Lucius is just lasgun but actually good

[radiant chasm]

they aren't for everyone

[somber axle]

You can bayonet kill muties, dogs in one hit, bayonet stagger kill ragers

[untold mulch]

Also lucius is not overshadowed by its kinetic counterparts

[somber axle]

Bayonet Mk II is gorgeous

[untold mulch]

sooo thats neat

[somber axle]

Definitely recommend trying it

[untold mulch]

The biggest issue with Lucius is getting used to the long change time

[faint beacon]

You will notice this very very quickly

[untold mulch]

You are not swapping melee and ranged constatly

you will commit

[somber axle]

Mk II is like a fast firing sniper rifle. Mk III is slower firing sniper rifle. One will put strong shots down range quick and wipe most targets fast, the other puts everything down in one shot

[faint beacon]

You have to commit to the weapon you have out

[untold mulch]

exactly

[faint beacon]

Swap speed is usually 2-3 seconds

Hence you have a bayonet!

[vague smelt]

Helbore you say huh

[faint beacon]

so if its gets really bad spam Special key

[vague smelt]

Which one should I try craft

[untold mulch]

Bayonet will be able to deal anything that isn't horde or carapace

[faint beacon]

Matters what you want to make

[untold mulch]

Personally, III out, bayonet is terrible,

So is a choice of I or II

[faint beacon]

Cause the Mk1-2 are good with their bayonet

[somber axle]

Mk III has an awful bayonet swing for the special attack that is an overhead with a tiny bit of cleave. Mk II has a beautiful fast high damage bayonet stab that you can also turn into a bayonet charge while sprinting with the special action button held

[faint beacon]

Mk3 is dreadful with it

but

Mk3 hits hard

[somber axle]

Mk II is my personal fav

[faint beacon]

really hard

[somber axle]

But Mk III is also really good

Helbores are all just really, really good

[vague smelt]

Eh I don't care for Caparace because I can use kraks, my shovel or rely on someone else most of the time so

II or I

[untold mulch]

If you go for surgical

[somber axle]

The Mk I is solid and the easiest to build of the three

[faint beacon]

Stick to 1-2 then

[untold mulch]

what the fastest one?

[faint beacon]

if Carapace is least of concern

[vague smelt]

II

[untold mulch]

Then I is the best if you want to use surgical, more charge up time means more crit stacks

[faint beacon]

Weight of Fire + Surgical

is your BNB

on the Helbores

[somber axle]

Mk II is harder to build because you want Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate all 70%+, you want Unarmoured perk for an important breakpoint and you want Surgical/Weight of Fire blessings

[untold mulch]

II is to spam those charge shots

[somber axle]

Building a good Mk II is tricky

But it is one of THE best guns in the game when you get it

[untold mulch]

I with surgical you can get constant crits while pinpoint targetting

[vague smelt]

I trust your words

I'll craft a II

[untold mulch]

and with Shocktrooper talent?

You will forget why ammo pickups exists

[tame lodge]

Good luck

[last parcel]

it's really funny ending the match with 0 ammo picked up

[vague smelt]

What are the good blessings for that Helbore

[untold mulch]

Surgical from the start imo

[somber axle]

Good luck! And have fun with the monster when you get it. The charge fire shots take some time to get used to vs other weapons but once you feel out the timing it is a dream

[vague smelt]

What about perks

[untold mulch]

get crit while aiming, which synergizes with shocktrooper and more damage

Perks, honestly maybe carapace?

[somber axle]

Surgical IV and Weight of Fire IV but you could easily do rank III in either and be fine

Do not use Falter

[vague smelt]

Alright time to visit Brunt

[somber axle]

Falter is a bricked blessing

Does actually nothing

[vague smelt]

Helbore II is it right?

Lucius II?

[somber axle]

Yes

That's the one

[somber axle]

Unarmoured is the one you NEED

[vague smelt]

What are the key stats and dump stats

[faint beacon]

Perks usually are Flak-Unarmored-Maniac-Carapace

matters the combo you're trying to make

[vague smelt]

because this game keeps dumping me these for some reason.

[faint beacon]

but those 4 are the ones you usually want

[somber axle]

Other than Unarmoured you can go Carapace, Unyielding, Flak, Maniac or Elite as your second perk

[vague smelt]

Unarmoured?

[somber axle]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Honestly I dont even know why

but its important

[last parcel]

damage and stopping power. charge is good but the II can kinda get away with not having it high

[somber axle]

You need Unarmoured as a perk for an important breakpoint on the Mk II

[vague smelt]

I see

[somber axle]

I forgor what it is off the top of my head but it is very important

[vague smelt]

Is this lucius good enough or dump

[faint beacon]

its a 69% Dam

Maybe?......

[last parcel]

heh

nice

[vague smelt]

I'll reroll again

[faint beacon]

Honestly unsure

[last parcel]

just use it

[somber axle]

69% is funny and I'd personally keep it. I think it will be fine tbh

[vague smelt]

New

[faint beacon]

Charge rate tbh doesn't super matter down the line cause of WOF

iirc

[somber axle]

As long as you get Unarmoured perk, Surgical and Weight of Fire blessings you will be fine

[faint beacon]

Stopping power is the sole reason why it might not be the absolute best

but

its way better

[somber axle]

I'm not sure about that stopping power tbh but it's probably better than the other one

Also brb at work must run

[vague smelt]

Well

I'll visit Hadron

Unarmored, Surgical huh.

Aight

[untold mulch]

Yeah is a pain to want high damage and Stopping Power

[vague smelt]

Bricked

Caparace/Sustained/Elites?

[untold mulch]

but all cahrge rate in the world won't compesate to kill in one less hit

[bitter turtle]

If you're going mk2

[vague smelt]

I am not gonna risk the 4th roll

[bitter turtle]

Weight of fire isn't that important

[untold mulch]

Carapace is personally acceptable unless you do it 100% with melee

but Sustained ehhhh

[vague smelt]

I'm not doing a 4th roll

[untold mulch]

Idk if it even procs on chain charge shots

[vague smelt]

Nah

I'll sell it

[last parcel]

what

just because it's not a god roll doesn't mean it's trash to be sold

[untold mulch]

Would be nice the fucking crafting rework rn

[vague smelt]

Idk, I only aim for perfect rolls

And I get them as you've seen before

[bitter turtle]

No respite is fine if you get it

Before bayonet nerfs I'd even call it better than weight of fire

[bitter turtle]

On mk2

[untold mulch]

I definitely want all perks and blessings I want, the tier may change, but at minimum that

[vague smelt]

Do I 4th roll or throw it

[bitter turtle]

Uhh

[untold mulch]

Ranged critical

[bitter turtle]

I forgot if elite is worthwhile

[untold mulch]

thats an oof

[bitter turtle]

For mk2

But I'm inclined to say prob not

[vague smelt]

To the bin it goes

[untold mulch]

Infernus imo may be good?

[vague smelt]

I have it saved IV

[last parcel]

lol no

[bitter turtle]

Definitely not infernus

[untold mulch]

Is that bad?

really? fucking hell

[vague smelt]

Ye

[bitter turtle]

Its

Well

[steady cedar]

What's better for Vet's toughness regen? Exhilarating Takedown, Confirmed Kill, or Out For Blood?

[bitter turtle]

It might help if you miss a BP barely lol

[vague smelt]

Well

[untold mulch]

I would assume that on a Lucius would be nice for those kills where you are very close to a BP

[vague smelt]

I ran out of dockets

[bitter turtle]

Out for blood is insanely good now

[vague smelt]

500K to get 2 Lucius with Dumped Damage stats

[bitter turtle]

But all 3 are strong

[vague smelt]

Thanks game

[untold mulch]

Thanks Fatshark

[bitter turtle]

Just depends on your weapons

Each has an advantage

[untold mulch]

But that, even if I were playing still

[bitter turtle]

Exhil - works on headshotting trash mobs and gives the most upfront, but doesn't work on melee

[untold mulch]

would avoid Hadron like the plague

[steady cedar]

Out for blood seems like it'd win out in a lot of situations because it's just kill things to gain toughness

[untold mulch]

Fuck gambling with your time

[vague smelt]

At least I managed to make this

[steady cedar]

Ranged, melee, doesn't matter just kill

[bitter turtle]

CK - gives a fair amount and the most over time with regen, but doesn't work on trash

[vague smelt]

It's fun weapon

[somber axle]

Ooo VERY nice

[untold mulch]

VIIa is my fav Recon in feel

[bitter turtle]

OfB - works on everything but is the lowest in raw amount

[untold mulch]

VId has been the winner in stats the few times it competes

[vague smelt]

I'll try make a better VIIa

[untold mulch]

but VIIa just feels nice

[vague smelt]

Feels no

it's better reccon

[bitter turtle]

I think vii is better ngl

[untold mulch]

Rn?

[bitter turtle]

Yes

[untold mulch]

huh

[vague smelt]

VId is horrible

[untold mulch]

Don't know rn much, stopped on february

[vague smelt]

It's just a spray weapon with low damage

[bitter turtle]

I played with someone who used 7 and they actually did well repeatedly vs me and craime

Didn't win in dps

[vague smelt]

and no don't tell me it's good with infernus

[untold mulch]

maybe it was the fix to shocktrooper?

[vague smelt]

because it's not

[bitter turtle]

But didn't fall behind as well

No it's not that

I think the idea is

[untold mulch]

Oh hell no

[bitter turtle]

Onslaught is a trap

And if you take that away

[somber axle]

Btw

[untold mulch]

My idea with Lucius and Infernus was for in case of close BPs

[bitter turtle]

6d doesn't have much going for it

[untold mulch]

Recon is a terrible weapon for Infernus

[somber axle]

From the guide in pins written by numbers cat

[bitter turtle]

6d with infernus is alright

[vague smelt]

This is VIIa and don't tell me it's inferior to VId

[somber axle]

I do not know what maniac does for the Mk II as far as breakpoints so to discover that knowledge you must summon and consult them

[vague smelt]

[hollow ibex]

Every weapon sucks with infernus

[bitter turtle]

I think the only caveat funnily enough

6d can use infernus

7 cannot

So 7 is slightly harder to roll

[untold mulch]

yeah, but I see a slight use on low RoF weapons on the chance of a very close BP

on a high rof weapon?

fuck that

[vague smelt]

If you want to apply fire stacks play Ogryn Gunlugger

[untold mulch]

[bitter turtle]

It's actually a fairly substantial damage boost on 6d

For infernus

It beats out dumdum at longer ranges

[untold mulch]

but like if with a crit you could turn a common 2 shot into a 1 shot, I say is not bad in that case

the cahnce for that is low af though

[bitter turtle]

If you try unloading on a mutant you can see a difference

[untold mulch]

why tf you unloading recon on a mutant

[bitter turtle]

To show the dmg difference

[last parcel]

so you can see maniac damage

[bitter turtle]

Why else

What do you want me to shoot a trapper that dies in half a sec

[untold mulch]

would say maybe a better test against rager, but I get having the most meaty target for difference

[bitter turtle]

But yeah, going back, if you drop the 4 pt tax on onslaught, 6d doesn't have much going for it

Compared to 7

Which has the extra cleave

And I think onslaught is a trap

Just forget about killing crushers with recon

Cause it doesn't really do much else than that

[untold mulch]

I think I only used it when I didn't use keystones

[bitter turtle]

And 4 pts for just a mediocre crusher dps is

Meh

[hollow ibex]

Totally

Some people love it though

[untold mulch]

Still nice VIIa has some use even if ammo hungry

[bitter turtle]

Nah

That's the thing

[somber axle]

VIIa is more generally useful tbh if you don't care about killing Crushers with your ranged weapon. VId is better if you do and use a clown build

[bitter turtle]

When we played with this guy

He didn't use that much ammo

That's what impressed me

Keeping dmg relatively competitive without huffing 2x ammo

[untold mulch]

Huh, nice

[hollow ibex]

Prob mainly used melee and nades lmao

[bitter turtle]

Nah

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper talent is closet OP in the right hands that can consistently click heads and keep the crosshairs on target with Headhunter and Deadshot

[tiny summit]

Yea. I can tolerate VIIa

[bitter turtle]

It was legit

I genuinely think 7 is probably an ok weapon

It's not great

[untold mulch]

I assume that factor was factored in

[bitter turtle]

But it's ok

I made one

It's alright

[untold mulch]

huh i get it

[bitter turtle]

Yeah the iags are better but

[somber axle]

Recon VIIa is probably on par with the Mk IV and Mk XII Kantrael Infantry Lasguns

[hollow ibex]

It’s still a worse agri in my eyes. Though sometimes I run it for fun

[untold mulch]

Shocktrooper + VIIa + Headhunter

yeah I can see it

[somber axle]

Ok but don't shoot Crushers with it

[untold mulch]

Shame it requires headshots

[somber axle]

Have a melee for Crusher killing or grab krak

[untold mulch]

I hate being forced to headshot

[bitter turtle]

Yeah that's the caveat

He ran marksman focus too

So you actually need headshots

[untold mulch]

but then Fatshark balanced the only ranged centric on being a head clicker machine

well, Gunlugger ignored

because Ogryn is too sluggish to me sadly

[bitter turtle]

I hate playing ogryn

[untold mulch]

Same

Only class I leveled to 30

[somber axle]

Kantrael Mg1a can probably still outdo Recon VIIa in equally skilled hands but tbh Recon being able to compete at all is really nice and if you're really good with the VIIa you can outshoot the average Mg1a user in quickplay

[untold mulch]

and never bothered anymore

I have built good stuff, not peak, but good on my zealot and psyker

but Ogryn still has mediocre stuff

[bitter turtle]

I think it's better to compare it to full auto mk4 ilas

And the main problem I have with it is the flak damage is just so fucking bad

For ilas

[untold mulch]

So basically, still needs a buff, but VIIa may not be a clown behaviour pick

[untold mulch]

that sucks so bad

[somber axle]

That's probably a better comparison but tbh the IV has accessibility problems in that you need an autoclicker to really maximize the potential of it consistently. If you're firing the IV on target at the full speed without an autoclicker and use it daily you are speedrunning carpal tunnel

[somber axle]

Pretty much

VId will always be my fav in the Clown's Choice Awards though

[untold mulch]

I accept your words, oh clowned one

[crude fiber]

ogryn is just purposely simplified imo, heavy attack for super regen, doesnt have to worry about aiming, super big health pool

[hollow ibex]

That make sense. Prob the best way to run recon tbh

[untold mulch]

also may be even better now

6/3s

pretty comfy

[bitter turtle]

Yeah just forget about killing crushers and make sure you can kill other things fast

Onslaught is really low impact outside of crushers

[untold mulch]

3/1s as before was basically yeah fuck that

[hollow ibex]

Yeah totally unnecessary buff imo, but I’ll happily take it

[untold mulch]

Imo, not really

[hollow ibex]

Yup

[untold mulch]

3/1s meant at least to me you were always going out of your way to weakspot hit

because otherwise you have 2+ points dead on your build

with 6/3s you need to be an idiot to not have those points worth

[hollow ibex]

I just ended up running camouflage a lot

[untold mulch]

though it may be a bit too much

[hollow ibex]

But now that’s prob not necessary

[untold mulch]

maybe 4/2?

I was surprised for it getting such a huge increase

[hollow ibex]

lol yah

[untold mulch]

though I wouldn't be surprised if their metrics showed no one fucking picked it

[bitter turtle]

I personally think the buff was unnecessary for great players but honestly

I think it's necessary for the casual players

To like

Use it at all

[untold mulch]

it was basically nothing for the head clicker bots

but for average shooter, it was required for any amount of use

[bitter turtle]

Maybe even more

Stacking on hit instead of kill or something

[untold mulch]

Wiht 6/3s if I go back into the game rn, I may even use it on a good chance

with 3/1 I just go to ping

straight up

[tiny summit]

I would've much rather it stack off hits over kills

[bitter turtle]

Same

[untold mulch]

true too

[bitter turtle]

It has a similar problem to exec

I get annoyed at other people taking kills

Lol

[untold mulch]

though that runs issue of again being better for high rof

[hollow ibex]

That makes it even more suited for fast firing weapons though

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

Just put an internal cooldown

Can't stack faster than once per 0.5 sec

[hollow ibex]

Even now it’s better for fast firing weapons

[bitter turtle]

Fixed

[tiny summit]

Can't say I care, as it stands now with FS's design. Give me good stuff over sensible stuff

[bitter turtle]

We literally have that effect on duck and dive

[untold mulch]

Marksman tree, great for high roff

Weapon specialist/melee, great for slow single shooters

What was the design team smoking?

[tiny summit]

Laspistol MF is fun

[bitter turtle]

Has an internal cooldown

[bitter turtle]

Tbf the marksman tree picture is a guy with an LMG

[untold mulch]

also still annoyed weapon spec is a single buff to a single shot

[bitter turtle]

So maybe intentional??

[untold mulch]

and all talents are when you weakspot

exaggerating tbf

[untold mulch]

though maybe

[bitter turtle]

But yeah stack on hit with a cooldown

Instantly solves that problem

[untold mulch]

wouldn't be terrible

[bitter turtle]

Of high rof

[untold mulch]

maybe keep the on kill, idk

[tiny summit]

Gonna make plasma mf and post it to reddit

[untold mulch]

Honestly I pray for a gunner path

I need a path for the play of I have ALL THIS AMMO

and Hadron has said I won't get a better budget unless I spend it all

[white minnow]

there's always camoflauge to untie marksman from an on-kill condition anyways

[midnight totem]

woo, 3500+ penance score

[untold mulch]

True, but I almost wish it was a threat reductor

[midnight totem]

only 1k more till the ugly ass flak armor that, I'm probably not going to use anyway

[untold mulch]

being any kind of backline shooter in DT is unviable without infiltrate

[white minnow]

i do not want pre-patch 13 camoflauge returning

[untold mulch]

I mean, you can always touch the numbers

[white minnow]

if it's on the backline why would you even need infiltrate

just stay in the backline

[bitter turtle]

Voc is fine

For it

I have to voc on v7 bc infiltrate is too many pts

[untold mulch]

Because poxwalker spawned from the ass of the world only to hit your back the second you wanted to ads

it happens way too often

[white minnow]

just spam dodges or pay attention

[untold mulch]

backline is worth trash

[white minnow]

it's a good thing that backspawns happen

if you're tunnel visioning and not noticing a poxwalker, that's on you

[untold mulch]

True

[untold mulch]

Is not that

is that is time wasted on annoyances

[white minnow]

sure but then that's just the nature of the game

can't expect spawns to strictly come from the front

[untold mulch]

Idk, with my Zealot I am hearing rules of nature the entire match

[midnight totem]

you know what they say

put down a problem while its small

[white minnow]

just sounds like the marksman playstyle isn't for you then

[midnight totem]

before it becomes big

[white minnow]

rather than a particular design issue

[midnight totem]

so kill that poxwalker

[untold mulch]

mayeb it is

[leaden hollow]

Shoot him in the balls

[untold mulch]

but is the only one with real bonuses to ranged

[bitter turtle]

I have just ignored a pox behind me if it's solo lol

[untold mulch]

Thats why I wish for a more dakka heavy line

[bitter turtle]

Just dodge every time you hear backstab sound

Mostly did this on bolter

[untold mulch]

yeah did same with bolter

but that, you have a constant annoyance as sharpshooter

[bitter turtle]

Playing sniper on v7 it's fast swap so just kill it

[untold mulch]

doesn't help that they spawn from thin air often enough

[bitter turtle]

It's a worthwhile trade off when you can pick off 10 gunners from 40m+ before anyone can touch them

[untold mulch]

True that

Anyways, at this rate I ain't coming back unless hellgun/gunner path or a considerable Recon buff

[bitter turtle]

And if you really can't turn around

Just voc it off you

[untold mulch]

I prefer running Infiltrate because it vibes more on my style

learning to use it aggresively is amazing imo

allows you to do some dumb shit and not pay consequences

[tiny summit]

Wish the shredder pistol blessing that boosts dmg against suppressed enemies was worth a damn with infiltrate

[untold mulch]

Huh, would be nice

[topaz lance]

That weapon needs a buff

[tiny summit]

Bring my shredder nades, with my shredding chainsword and this fucking useless shredder pistol

[tiny summit]

Should I do Infil or VoC?

[green sage]

Still waiting for power fist...

[idle swallow]

mfw I take every ammo pack in the map after spraying down every horde with the shredder

[tiny summit]

Gonna be me in a few

[untold mulch]

Infil is coolee

[bitter turtle]

I always do infiltrate now if the build can afford it

[tiny summit]

Say at the end "blame shredder pistol"

[bitter turtle]

Much funner

[untold mulch]

When used correctly, Infiltrate made me feel like a demigod kek

Completely breaking gunner lines at no risk

[tiny summit]

Prob awful

[somber axle]

I love using Infiltrate to just pop in next to an entire line of gunners and go ballistic on them with my melee. They all get suppress spooked out of their firing and give my team a second to breathe while I chew them viciously

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

Most times I'm having to use Infiltrate to save a team mate though

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-cat-cat-knife-ruocgiff-gif-24035655

[untold mulch]

I keep using guns for it

but

[somber axle]

Also funny for just popping up out of stealth with a rev'd chainsaw with the blade biting into a rager's face

[untold mulch]

how it feels with Infil aggresive

https://media.tenor.com/kU64qbPP5CYAAAAM/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners.gif

[somber axle]

Really funny that the heretics can't hear the LOUDLY APPROACHING CHAINSAW NOISES

[balmy flume]

Auric Maelstrom at 3/5 now.
Man that Archivum Sychorax with Specilaist/Specialist Monstrosities was tight but fun.

[last parcel]

hrrmph, must’ve been the wind

AUAAUAUAUGHGHGH VRRRRRRR AUAUABY THRHE GRANFAAAAAUGHTGERRRRR

[balmy flume]

Probably gonna save the last 2 either for later PUG or LFGs here.
Really don’t want to lose this streak to a bad PUG team now XD

[bitter turtle]

Deadshot autopistol?

🤔

[tiny summit]

Haven't tried prob terrible

[balmy flume]

I mean, most cultists are probably too busy listening to the voices inside their heads.

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-meme-approaching-close-coming-gif-27652940

[balmy flume]

Except the ones stoned out in The Carnival XD

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-кот-gif-23776192

[bitter turtle]

I still think overwatch makes infiltrate really good

[tiny summit]

It does. Trying to mix things up

Demo Team + Stockpile is non-negotiable. I need to shred.

[somber axle]

It does but I like saving the point for other talents and living on the edge of one stealth to play with

Makes things very chaotic

[tiny summit]

Actually fuck it. The nades will probably do more than the pistol

I just realized I don't have a rolled chainsword

[idle swallow]

call yourself a guardsman and don't even got a chainsword smh my head

[crude fiber]

the problem with playing a dying game is no ones makin guides for how to get all the marty skulls

[faint beacon]

I have a MkIV That has Shred + Rampage

is that even a remotely good Blessing Combo at all

Cause I know Rampage is a yes

Shred

0 fucking clue

[last parcel]

shred is good. chainswords have an oddly good crit damage multiplier on cleave damage or something

rampage + savage sweep is the normal pairing though

[faint beacon]

Honestly if I were to do a Shred CS MKIV Instead

what would be good with it

kinda what to try something else instead of the typical BNB

[limpid ferry]

i wanna try laser weaponry again but im afraid to put down my columnus V for any high difficulties

are hellbores any good for aurics, is there a best among them?

[somber axle]

Wdym there are steam guides and YouTube videos showing how to do every puzzle

[crude fiber]

yeah i just found one, google didint show me anything but looking it up on youtube did

[somber axle]

I don't use any of them generally but I know they exist because after failing the prison cell puzzle 3 times with quickplay pugs I wanted to look it up to see what we were doing wrong

Generally I like to figure them out with quickplay pugs without a guide my first time

[limpid ferry]

i think i like hellbore 1 and 2 just cause i can hold the melee stab as long as i want and they shoot faster, is hell 1 faster than hell 2?

[last parcel]

other way around

[limpid ferry]

does hell 1 and 2 at leas t have identical melee damage? i do like the stabby

[tall torrent]

Yes

[limpid ferry]

noice

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk I and Mk II are both really good with charge rate especially with Weight of Fire boosting their speed even further. Mk III is better for tap firing non-elite shooter heads imo and saving charged shots for elites/specials/bosses

[faint beacon]

I might attempt making some sort of Shred + Something CS MKIV Just cause it seems interesting?

Idk

what do you think the second blessing should be

[last parcel]

your shred + rampage cs can already work

that’s what i’ve been running recently

[faint beacon]

Shred + Savage Sweep?

Im honestly curious what might be better

cause it was doing damn good

[last parcel]

that’d probably be the correct combo for shred. i haven’t rolled many chainswords so i’ll just let you go nuts

[last parcel]

i kill shooter trash with charged body shots because i get tired of aiming

[faint beacon]

I'll make another CS

and come back with

something...

eventually

[somber axle]

That's very fair LMFAO

[faint beacon]

Im broke ordos wise

Runs surgical with shocktrooper so its NOT a waste of ammo

Fucking love that Talent on Helbore

[somber axle]

Surgical and Shock Trooper on Helbores is so good

Probably the best ammo econ weapon in the Vet arsenal by a very long margin

[faint beacon]

Mfw my gun just

never runs out of ammo

Recon users basically needing it for their gun to not be an absolute vacuum for ammo lmao

Again though thats like

3 people

[somber axle]

Tbh I think I am THE Recon Clown Master and I would still strongly recommend Surv Aura for it even with Shock Trooper and Headhunter crit stacking shenanigans to boost ammo econ

It may be able to kill a Crusher in as little as 10 ammo spent

[limpid ferry]

i like turning the hellbores into lil sawed off lasguns with weapon customization 😄

[somber axle]

It still burns ammo fast in the hands of most users

[last parcel]

i like doing that then sticking an ogryn club at the end

[tiny summit]

Nah run Exe MF Recon with no surv into no ammo malestrom

[last parcel]

my little rock stick

[somber axle]

I will one day but for today I am slowly easing my way into Auric Maelstrom difficulty to prepare for eventually doing my clown dance there

[last parcel]

i only did that in regular aurics and i think everyone hated me

for some reason

smh

[tiny summit]

Also I mostly run Exe MF HB2. It's my favorite setup atm

[last parcel]

extends exe by stabbing a fool

[somber axle]

Wait does that work

[midnight mortar]

Kill highlighted enemies.

Bayonetting is not a weapon swap.

[gritty zenith]

Thoughts on best ranged for marksmans focus penance?

pgun?

[last parcel]

bring an automatic weapon, such as the columnus infantry autogun

or melee while crouch walking, i've heard still counts

[balmy flume]

And now…4/5 Auric Maelstroms done…
I REALLY need to stop pushing my luck with PUGs tonight for Aurics now XD

[last parcel]

yes

[old orchid]

hey

how do you look like ciaphas cain, how do you get the commissar outfit

[last parcel]

wait for it to come back in the premium store

[balmy flume]

Sadly Commissar outfit is in paid shop rotation, gotta wait for it.

[old orchid]

what

man...

fatshark sucks

[balmy flume]

Also you forgot obligatory…
HERO OF THE IMPERIUM

[old orchid]

youre right... how could fatshark do this to THE HERO OF TH EIMPERIUM CIAPHAS CAIN

[tall torrent]

@crude fiber yo we’re in the same game

[last parcel]

blow them up with a barrel

[late hatch]

Yeah pretty much everyone hates the fomo store. I doubt it has a positive effect on spending, but maybe thats just coz im weird and most of those tricks trigger my stubborn streak and I just dont buy

[somber axle]

this is good to know THANKS

[balmy flume]

Ok fuck it, gonna attempt the last Auric Maelstrom.
I am definitely gonna alt F4 at this point if I spawn into a no win situation.

[late hatch]

Pretty sure I still have about 2k aquilas that I bought before the kriegs release but was when they jacked the prices I stopped even looking at the store

[balmy flume]

…well, all Vet party XD

[somber axle]

Tbh if I wasn't obsessed with mixing and matching outfits I'd probably just get my top 2, maybe top 3 fav regiment outfits and leave it at that but when I'm not dressing up as a teaser trailer Moebian 21st Recon guard I'm trying to make funny outfits

[last parcel]

i swear every game i play ends up with me playing dressup with my toy soldiers

[old orchid]

same but... fucking... ciaphas cain...

[somber axle]

ALWAYS playing dress up

always

[late hatch]

Just install the for the drip mod and customisation MT and then enjoy making your char look however you want for free

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1212302881139466270/20240227232226_1.jpg?ex=662ab14a&is=66295fca&hm=cd92a558005ddb2a3fb01347b12fbdb2f7ef0e9139fd1b57846f84befb4810e8&format=webp&width=893&height=502&

Yes that is an ogryn that looks like a sledgehammer with legs and arms

[last parcel]

gonk droid

[somber axle]

Yeah that mod is solid for customization. I just like looking pretty on both my screen and everyone else. If For the Drip ever became anything more than client side online only I think they'd aggro Fatshark

[last parcel]

yeah fatshark confirmed that

[late hatch]

AFAIK it is totally possible, but then they would lose sales, and gws has never been generous with pricing

So they would be very angery

[somber axle]

Yeah and I am obsessive over flaunting my fashion so I can't do just client side shenanigans even though I have seen people mix and match certain helmets/masks for cool combos

I need everyone to see my clown costumes

[late hatch]

Remember gws sued 3rd parties making mod bits that gws didnt even produce, so they werent cloning, they were 3rd party original mods to customise your models, but gws shut them down

Spikey Bits iirc

[somber axle]

Games Workshop has gone after animators on YouTube for creating cooler animations than actual full on animation studios they have hired

Cease and desist or see you in court

No touch their money

[late hatch]

Pretty funny for an empire built on stolen IP

[balmy flume]

Got it.

[last parcel]

[balmy flume]

All Guardsmen Party FTW

[last parcel]

let's fucking go

[merry turtle]

Can the rework survivealist

[tame lodge]

Sorry what

[merry turtle]

Like why is it so bad now and the rest are bad aswell

[merry turtle]

The ammo on elite/special kill

[thorn lark]

It's only bad for people with no ammo management and dumping on horde

[merry turtle]

That aura is bad now and they didn’t buff the rest

[thorn lark]

Still broken.

The rest should have been changed, true

[umbral scaffold]

Ngl, it kind of invalidated the others

I like the other two

Even tho they’re not crazy

[terse idol]

Okay roll it back though

The animator who did astartes

Got hired

By GW

Like for all the faults of GW, they do their does

[umbral scaffold]

My builds are now less talent heavy for trying to not fish for survivalist

[terse idol]

Whatever that means
all I'm saying is uh, GW isn't literally Satan like many people including myself want them to be

[merry turtle]

Not really anymore it’s just a over nerf that should be reworked as well as the other auras

[terse idol]

Uh

[thorn lark]

I take survivalist if I have to use an autogun or if I have a gun ogryn in the lobby

[terse idol]

It's not that bad if you didn't literally shoot every second you got

Like, I'm not feeling the nerf

[stable socket]

gotta pick up a bit more ammo on ammo-hungry guns

[merry turtle]

Yeah but 5 seconds is way to slow

[thorn lark]

Nono it's still free resources invalidating the concept of ammo economy

[stable socket]

still very useful in no ammo scab maelstroms though - it's extremely noticeable there

[merry turtle]

Like 2 is ok

[thorn lark]

It breaks the melee only modifier

[umbral scaffold]

If anything, maybe it’ll prompt a tweak to the auras

[late hatch]

When everyone who wasnt memeing was taking a single talent, it means that talent is busted. 99.9% of vets were running surv, so it was obv OP compared to the alts. The nerf was fine imo

[terse idol]

It's really not

Only if you're literally shooting every second

Tbh the nerf was fine because it wad needed
The other auras should get buffed though imo

[umbral scaffold]

If you care about ammo, start using las weapons and shocktrooper

[late hatch]

TBH the surv nerf hit ogryn harder than anyone else

[thorn lark]

You're not supposed to shoot the horde. Use melee

[terse idol]

Yeah

[merry turtle]

Yeah I see but 5 is too long for the others to just as bad

[terse idol]

It's not because

You don't notice 5 seconds 😭

[faint beacon]

Didn't even realize this was in shop

[umbral scaffold]

5% movement speed is good for knife mobility

[terse idol]

Youre still be at good ammo econ

[umbral scaffold]

10% mobility is noticeable

You can do a lot

[merry turtle]

It’s not

[thorn lark]

I wish it was 5 mvmt speed + reload speed + attack speed

[merry turtle]

That’s like a tiny bit of speed

[thorn lark]

Like an overall speed bonus

[umbral scaffold]

Bro just hasn’t played vt2

Movement speed is good

[merry turtle]

And 5% dmg is just as bad

[umbral scaffold]

Less bullets for you to shoot

[merry turtle]

Bro you hit no break points with 5

[faint beacon]

I'd say movement is useful unless your melee is killing chaffe and typical trash enemies extremely easily

[stable socket]

i'd have liked it a bit more if survivalist had ~3 charges and a 5s charge restore, so giant dog/mutant/shotgunner waves or constant specialist spam aren't insane ammo restore but you still get a decent amount of ammo for killing occasional groups of specials

[merry turtle]

You need at least 15 to hit them

[thorn lark]

There's no survivalist on zealot or ogryn. It's not really a pb

[merry turtle]

Or just make it work on specials only

Or elites only

[umbral scaffold]

15% is insane

[merry turtle]

Yeah that’s why 5 is so pointless

[umbral scaffold]

Bro wants the easy mode fix

[merry turtle]

No I want fairness across all classes

[hollow ibex]

yeah but they mostly got the benefit anyway

at least in the past

[terse idol]

It's actually not bad for automatic weapons

[somber axle]

Nah the rolling is Sisyphus style in this house

You can roll it up the hill but the rock rolls back down

Sodaz on YouTube does some crazy good animation and got cease and desisted. Check out their Halo animation and their Fallout animation. They're really good

Cool that one artist got a job from Games Workshop but like you don't need to run defense for the company because their antics are already well known LMFAO

[merry turtle]

And balance

[terse idol]

We have balance

[umbral scaffold]

5% dmg is close to fair

[terse idol]

Litetally vet is one of the best classes

In the game

Wdym

[umbral scaffold]

It used to be 3%

[terse idol]

We have 5 classes

We have one of the best ULTS in the game

[somber axle]

They want to protect their IP and they're probably not nearly as strict as Nintendo but they are very strict

[terse idol]

And some of the best blitzs

[umbral scaffold]

They buff smoke grenades?

I saw they did

[hollow ibex]

fixed smoke grenades

[umbral scaffold]

Too

Yooo*

[merry turtle]

Sure we do

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah

A lot of buffs that reward smart gameplay

Like marksmen focus buffs are amazing

Shocktrooper being fixed is a massive buff to under performing weapons

[thorn lark]

There's BP you can hit with 5

Like the os BP for bruiser on my rashad

[umbral scaffold]

5% across 4 people is 20% more team damage

That ain’t worthless

[somber axle]

Fire Team gets extra funny when paired with Focus Target 8 stacks

[thorn lark]

If you add 10 + 5 melee DMG + superiority complex + 5 fire team

That's not bad lol

[merry turtle]

Balance doesn’t exist like in vt2

[umbral scaffold]

?

You losing every match?

[merry turtle]

Rarely

[umbral scaffold]

Then the game is balanced

[late hatch]

Its pve not pvp, balance doesnt really matter that much. Fun matters more.

[somber axle]

5% teamwide damage aura + 4% per stack Focus Target for a total of

4% x 8 = 32% + 5% Fire Team

37% teamwide damage buff for just existing near the Team and pinging a target

Crazy good damage buff on Karnak Twins

[umbral scaffold]

If you’re using your skill and being challenged by the game, it’s balanced

[hollow ibex]

FT sucks

[merry turtle]

What are you on

[merry turtle]

That’s the thing I’m not

[umbral scaffold]

Enjoying the game without tunnelling my enjoyment into one minor thing like an aura

[merry turtle]

yeah ive lost it

[umbral scaffold]

Find a new game if it bothers you that much

I hear helldivers is fun with friends

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/maes-b-lost-in-a-field-pulp-fiction-john-travolta-gif-14829328

[merry turtle]

what are you getting at?

[thorn lark]

you mean you're not challenged when you use survivalist?

you use plasma and krak as well?

maybe shout

and a psword

[merry turtle]

no

i dont even run those

they are boring because they are meta

[terse idol]

Ah no I disagree

[late hatch]

Lots of people hate getting their crutch taken away. My mate who plays ogryn is more mad about the surv nerf than I, a vet main

[terse idol]

If you don't balance then we get like power creep

The game just either gets too easy

Or too hard

[thorn lark]

you have a ton of different builds across 4 classes to chose... you can experiment for days

[late hatch]

I said more, they arent mutually exclusive

[thorn lark]

from the meta to the not meta

[terse idol]

Because the devs are fighting strong weapons with stronger enemies

[thorn lark]

and have fun

[terse idol]

Pve games neeeed balance

[umbral scaffold]

Tide games allow your mechanical skill to be utilized and expressed to your input

[thorn lark]

pve games needs more content

[merry turtle]

i just want my friends who are not as good to be able to play there favorite class and not be punished for doing so

[umbral scaffold]

?

[late hatch]

Helldivers balance is complete trash rn with half the weapons barely tickling enemies and a small selection of meta weapons, but lots of people are having fun with it. I stand by my statement that in a pve game fun matters more than balance, at least for the bottom 95%+ players

[umbral scaffold]

Ping ammo for your friends and let them take it

[umbral scaffold]

🥺

[somber axle]

Wdym Ogryns are still crazy good and even Gunlugger Ogryns are hilariously powerful even if Surv Aura change has made them hungry hungry boys for ammo

[merry turtle]

ah yes a temporary solution for a perment problem thx

[thorn lark]

i do laugh seeing the all around cock sucking about hd2 from youtubers shitting on dt because muh balance / content / i am angy

[umbral scaffold]

Adapt lmao

[merry turtle]

what great thinking you must be a dev for cod

[somber axle]

Just look at this DAKKA

[thorn lark]

i don't understand your probleme osanai

you cannot have a vet every run

[umbral scaffold]

You must be a Fortnite player

[late hatch]

Yeah most content creators are just bandwagoners

[thorn lark]

so survivalist is never a given

[umbral scaffold]

i dont think i use survivalist as vet

i use fireteam

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-uber-ubercharge-gif-25046063

[merry turtle]

how come at least im trying to help instead of deflecting and running away form the issue which is balance and fairness

[somber axle]

Heavy Weapons Guy to Ogryn Pipeline is real

[umbral scaffold]

?

You are the one who only sees unbalance and unfairness

[radiant chasm]

wait who is being punished for playing vet lol

[umbral scaffold]

no clue whats going on tbh
ig that someone is complaining that they cant play LMG as primary

afaik ?

[merry turtle]

im not the only one

[umbral scaffold]

Ammo management adaptation is hard

[merry turtle]

its clear it was a over nerf

[umbral scaffold]

Afaik

afaik slim guys are awesome

[radiant chasm]

there is always gonna be some level of unbalance and unfairness but no survivalist is not an over nerf

[umbral scaffold]

afaik

[white minnow]

survivalist absolutely deserved to get demolished

it's not like the current ammo economy is suffering either

as for whether i like how the current ammo economy works, I don't

but in terms of having ammo to work with, there's plenty on the map

[radiant chasm]

if interacting with the ammo pickups ruin the game for you, you need to melee more, get a better gun to kill targets quicker, and aim for heads

[merry turtle]

i believe so but buff the other ones if you kill that one which is so unhealthy for the game

[white minnow]

theoretically 1050% ammo pickups on the map and 2 ammo crates just looking at the lua

[umbral scaffold]

on auric 4 and theres plenty of big ammo bags tbf

[white minnow]

i've only seen up to 850% ammo in a game so far

[radiant chasm]

no you can't buff the other ones to the leve of survivalist

[somber axle]

It depends on the build but even with Recon Mk VId I am not having any trouble with ammo econ on Damnation or the occasional Auric I run. I've run with Boltgun on Damnation and been fine on ammo too. Just swap melee to clear chaff like Poxwalker hordes, save ammo to use your ranged weapon for more important threats unless you're drowning in ammo, check the map for tins/packs to top off ammo between fights

Ezpz

[white minnow]

though it's going to be hard dealing with auras

[merry turtle]

well yeah clearly but make them more usable

[white minnow]

because they're going to be teamwide buffs and teamwide buffs are just plain annoying to balance around

[radiant chasm]

yes everyone gets it is better to buff then nerf

[late hatch]

Crazy glugger, woulda been better if you hadnt missed your dodge on that crusher swing though

[radiant chasm]

but you can't buff everything to the top level

[merry turtle]

cause now vets has no good auras imo

[umbral scaffold]

recon vld infinite ammo build is fun tbh but its so boring

[white minnow]

survivalist is still good nuff

[umbral scaffold]

need that hellgun oomf

[white minnow]

and it's just a single line of talents

[radiant chasm]

damage is already competitive with psyker aura and others, movement speed is on par with the rest of the non damage auras in powerlevel

you cannot buff them

[somber axle]

Oh that's not me LMFAO

My Aussie friend lurks in this discord too and he's an Ogryn Gunlugger main. We play together sometimes and he shared this with me yesterday

[white minnow]

fire team and close & kill have always been whatevs, so it's not like auras being poopoo is anything new

[somber axle]

That's not his character either to clarify

[merry turtle]

5% does nothing to help

[umbral scaffold]

Then don’t use it

[white minnow]

that's just the nature of small bonuses and breakpoints

[umbral scaffold]

If you can’t see the value in it

[white minnow]

they're also going to have to teeter around the fact that it's a teamwide bonus

such is balance

[radiant chasm]

good, auras are meant to be low impact, constant bonuses for grouping up

[merry turtle]

i see but a buff makes them more useful as when people hear buff thay think its good now which means more variety which means more balance and better helth for the game in the long run

[umbral scaffold]

There is an elite aura psyker among us

[radiant chasm]

survivalist was so beyond broken it invalidated the ammo system entirely, there is no way to buff the other auras to that level

[thorn lark]

loner enters the chat

[radiant chasm]

no, buffing needlessly and never nerfing leads to power creep

[white minnow]

except that player power levels are overtuned currently

[thorn lark]

also, psyker aura with 10% cdr

[radiant chasm]

yea loner is stupid

[white minnow]

buffing without compensating nerfs is just asking for trouble at this point

[radiant chasm]

i can't defend that

[merry turtle]

then make the game harder

[thorn lark]

holy molly that's fucking broken

[white minnow]

e.g., nerfs

[merry turtle]

or buffs to the ai

[radiant chasm]

psyker too, imo cdr aura is fine they need to nerf cdr sources

[somber axle]

loner sprints away

loner is suddenly in a trapper net!!

loner has disconnected

loner leaves the chat

[white minnow]

sure, we can have both

[radiant chasm]

that's even more powercreep

[merry turtle]

or harder difficulties

[white minnow]

well we already have 5 difficulties and low/hi/int and auric

no point in divvying up the difficulties even more

[merry turtle]

more the better

[white minnow]

no it absolutely is not

[merry turtle]

or modded ones

[white minnow]

no reason to fragment the playerbase even more

[thorn lark]

it must be oce pool of players but i had not that kind of players in a loooooog time

i have vet / ogryn quitting tho

never psyker or zealot

[merry turtle]

yeah it needs a nerf or rework just not as bad as vet

[hollow ibex]

it's just the well-deserved stereotype of loner zealots

[somber axle]

I've had an awful time with some groups lately in quickplay Damnation tbh LMFAO

Some people go down once and quit the match

[merry turtle]

happens a lot in na

for some reason

[thorn lark]

so yeah that was before the patch

auric rn is a fuckfest

[late hatch]

Its difficult to make the game harder except by dumping huge groups of enemies on you which results in instagibs from 12 shotgunners stepping out of a door, or getting pushed down a hallway by 5 gunners hosing you down.
Otherwise they buff HP and then all the BPs go to hell

[hollow ibex]

all those people going after that A.S.S.

[thorn lark]

i have people with low true levels running around far ahead and not dealing with the aggro

[thorn lark]

also, engine limits

[somber axle]

Sharing this for memes

[thorn lark]

my god

is this real?

[somber axle]

Yes

I was there

LMFAO

[hollow ibex]

wtf

how

[somber axle]

I have no idea

[late hatch]

[thorn lark]

do you have the sb??

[merry turtle]

yeah there is now way i know of to make the game as balanced as vt2 but its getting there one day

[somber axle]

Nope

It was before I got mods

[thorn lark]

it's unreal man

[somber axle]

I have a screenshot of the team but I don't want to share the player names

It would feel like publicly shaming them

[merry turtle]

they can change them thos

[radiant chasm]

vt2 balanced kekw

[somber axle]

I joined in late on my Psyker and had to hard carry three players

They died frequently

[radiant chasm]

god i hope dt never gets balanced like vt2

swift slaying stam meta wooo

all aboard

[merry turtle]

why not

[somber axle]

It was the greatest I have ever been tested on Psyker

I scream remembering the horrors

And I joined into that match LATE

[radiant chasm]

cause it's boring and formulaic with a lack of diversity and player choice

[somber axle]

I have no idea who their 4th player was but I understand why they left

[radiant chasm]

as well as just fun blessings, blazing trauma, adhesive explosive, etc etc

[merry turtle]

what you mean you can play any character in that game

[radiant chasm]

with a much smaller talent tree with obviously meta options, or maybe 2 different builds!

[thorn lark]

a periodic balance patch is a good way to make sure the game is not stale

[radiant chasm]

you can play every character but you will generally have the same builds and avoid the same kind of talents

[thorn lark]

but that means not nerfing bolter and shredder and give the crown to plasma and ciag

it's not a balance patch

it's just fucking around

[radiant chasm]

fatshark also is just struggling with balance in DT cause it's way more dynamic

not shaming but they seem to be trying to please a bit of everyone and ending up pleasing no one

[merry turtle]

Buff the axes and swords

Please

[thorn lark]

??

the caxe?

tactical axe ok

claw, not sure it's needed

[radiant chasm]

tactical axe needs a buff but combat axes are objectively even better than before

and dclaw and hsword are both great rn

[thorn lark]

i would emasculate the heavy sword tho

headtaker is too cheesy

[radiant chasm]

it's BM

deathblow on hsword but it's the same issue

[thick needle]

mkXII Chainaxe is my babe rn

[radiant chasm]

turns out giving 4 elite kills per swing is really strong

[thick needle]

The thing just deletes Crushers and Maulers for me

[umbral scaffold]

VT2 has its own interesting balancing, but it also has a bit of struggle maintaining certain playstyles relevant for the player

Like how picking shade automatically means your health is the lowest

[thorn lark]

it's slaughterer buff without the need to kill and bm

[thorn lark]

5

[umbral scaffold]

Or how mercenary is locked to a bunch of buffs based on cleaving multiple enemies

[radiant chasm]

🙂

Idk, BM just kinda fucks over balance cause either your weapon can't hit the breakpoint, or it does

[umbral scaffold]

It's interesting to match classes with others to make up for gaps, but it's also really annoying to want to play something specific and get tossed in a match where you're the 4th ranged class

[thick needle]

What's BM

[umbral scaffold]

Or picking a bad ranged weapon for specials and then getting dropped in a match with a GK and a WP

And none of you were at fault because they couldn't know you'd pick that weapon and you can't inspect the classes of randoms before joining

[final stag]

Brutal momentum

[umbral scaffold]

It's like trying to pick a hero in Overwatch and having no clue what the rest of the team is playing

Because the game just doesn't tell you

[hardy ember]

Are recon lasguns going to get a buff soon?

[tiny summit]

tried my shredder build. Deadshot shredder pistol is like "sure sure, take my stamina and do next to nothing anyways"

[thick needle]

Huh
I only have that on a Taxe

[hollow ibex]

prob for one week, and then immediately nerfed to shit again thereafter

[thorn lark]

we waited for a year

[radiant chasm]

who went deadshot shredder

deadshot is meant for slow firing weapons

[umbral scaffold]

A maniac

[thorn lark]

they nerfed them

[somber axle]

Shredder is good for exactly 2 things

1. Passable mutant damage at close to mid range
2. Suppression focused talent/blessing build for spraying wildly near targets to scare them into thinking the gun could be dangerous when it isn't

[radiant chasm]

if you want to pump up shredder you are just in a rough spot, pinning nerfed and vet bonuses are more featured around weakspot hits

[umbral scaffold]

Psychological warfare autopistol

[thick needle]

Ye Deadshot is what I use basically solely on Helbore and Zarona

[thorn lark]

nuBM vastly favors weapons that do not need it considering the access to power blessings

[umbral scaffold]

Deadshot essentially guaranteeing a revolver crit is goated

[thorn lark]

while making it a dead blessing on everything else

[umbral scaffold]

I made a build around it one day

Costed me a lot of points

But damn if it wasn't good

[thick needle]

Having to pick Weapon Specialist for a penance made me unironically enjoy it while using the Zarona

[arctic rampart]

Once you go weapon specialist, the other ones seem less fun...

[somber axle]

Shredder's problem is that it is just objectively worse in every way other than slightly better at suppression compared to all the autoguns (braced and infantry) and most Vets do not care about suppression

[thick needle]

You basically always have a bullet in the chamber to instacrit some poor trapper before swapping back to melee

[arctic rampart]

So the helmets have "changes your voice". But it doesn't seem to change my voice. What am I doing wrong?

[radiant chasm]

muffled

[thorn lark]

strangely my favorite vet builds are mf revolver and ft bolter

[radiant chasm]

if it is the moebian 21st helmet it's just a muffling

[thick needle]

Which helmet? Some of them are really subtle muffling noises

[arctic rampart]

At the moment Atoman Pattern Rebreather

[radiant chasm]

yee

[thick needle]

Iirc only the Scion one does the weird distortion effect

[radiant chasm]

that's a muffler cosmetic hard to notice