i think they mostly addressed that when they moved the fully loaded talent closer to the top
#veteran-class
unique sorrel
untold mulch
to have their fun
tall torrent
You can’t deny survivalist nerf hurts no ammo maelstrom the most
tiny summit
Well they don't because only modifier removes ammo mostly
untold mulch
but honestly is checking the forums, and there is an awful lot of people there that definitely wished this game was Vermintide 3
austere pine
i have an idea for a surv/scav rework. make it so pickups don't show up and are better hidden and have them show the icon only when in coherency with a vet with either of the two, maybe even make the upgrade show through walls or smth
tiny summit
You can’t deny survivalist nerf hurts no ammo maelstrom the most
You mean people needed a crutch
untold mulch
i have an idea for a surv/scav rework. make it so pickups don't show up and are ...
no please
that sounds more annoying than anything else
unique sorrel
while i don't think survivalist is as necessary as it once seemed, there should still be an option for veterans who want to play in that support role to help their team without directly increasing the vet's own access to ammo, maybe something like born leader but for ammo pickups by the veteran
austere pine
we want ammo, yes? we want surv/scav rework, yes?
tiny summit
i have an idea for a surv/scav rework. make it so pickups don't show up and are ...
No. Absolutely no
untold mulch
You can’t deny survivalist nerf hurts no ammo maelstrom the most
No ammo maelstrom is bad because there is no All the ammo maelstrom 🗿
unique sorrel
because the problem was vets being allowed to overfeed themselves ammo and having access to plasmas and stuff
austere pine
cowards
tall torrent
You mean people needed a crutch
Idk I feel something’s genuinely wrong if no ammo maelstroms are supposed to be played with doing “make every shot count” penance in mind all the time
hearty panther
they ... arent?
somber axle
i have an idea for a surv/scav rework. make it so pickups don't show up and are ...
make Surv/Scav Aura give 5% or 10% more ammo on tins/packs just because it'll be funnier to see people fight over ammo in quickplay and we might genuinely see some people grab Fire Team or Move speed aura instead then
hearty panther
but also the entire point of no ammo maelstrom is ... that ammo is very restrictive
"wow why does this hounds maelstrom have THIS many dogs"
somber axle
it'll make it utterly useless for no ammo maelstrom
hearty panther
like yes, it does impact that maelstrom
tiny summit
Idk I feel something’s genuinely wrong if no ammo maelstroms are supposed to be ...
It becomes melee focused. I've played a number of no ammo maelstroms w/o a vet or surv. Just means saving your ammo for actual priorities
hearty panther
more importantly it's no longer a maelstrom whose one real condition isnt invalidated by one commonly picked aura
bitter turtle
but i find it funny that no ammo maelstrom has the highest actual amount of enemy hp to punch through
lol
like thats kinda ironic isnt it
austere pine
it'll make it utterly useless for no ammo maelstrom
and? you only go into maelstroms if you want to go to maelstroms. this means you can better prep yourself with the appropriate build
faint beacon
make Surv/Scav Aura give 5% or 10% more ammo on tins/packs just because it'll be...
I like this idea but I think it’s too niche
bitter turtle
resources are limited but total enemy hp goes up
somber axle
and? you only go into maelstroms if you want to go to maelstroms. this means you...
yeah exactly idc but I point it out because others would
austere pine
i think the amount of profanity usage would go way up if the aura gave back more % ammo on tins and packs
somber axle
I like this idea but I think it’s too niche
I think it would solve the problem of people relying too hard on the aura to carry them and help people begin to explore maps to learn chest spots for tins/packs more consistently rather than the inverse of pre-update Surv aura letting some guns do 0 tin/0 pack runs
faint beacon
Actually if you made it like 15-20% imo that’s a completely valid replacement
tiny summit
While I think an aura that invalidates a modifier is bad. An aura that is dysfunctional in a modifier is even more insane
somber axle
I'm not very good with math tbh but if 15%-20% is the sweet spot sure
unique sorrel
"allies in coherency gain 2% ammo on collecting crafting pickups"
somber axle
I just think the aura would make more sense interacting with ammo pick ups in missions
faint beacon
I’d say it’s good as a more but not enough to be I get too much ammo
tiny summit
Gross
somber axle
then give Surv Aura an extra node that lets it get extra benefit somehow for ammo crates
faint beacon
I’d have to do the math
austere pine
"allies in coherency gain 2% ammo on collecting crafting pickups"
imagine people running 4 vets for this
faint beacon
But from the top of my head an 80% ammo HH
austere pine
and make auras stack pleease
tiny summit
A form of ammo regen for each class should just exist inherently if it's gonna be a mechanic at all
faint beacon
A tin gives 67 bullets
tall torrent
It becomes melee focused. I've played a number of no ammo maelstroms w/o a vet o...
It’s more like “spam nades more” tbh given most of the enemies are very high mass + high health
I already don’t shoot much besides specials & gunners
unique sorrel
then give Surv Aura an extra node that lets it get extra benefit somehow for amm...
powered up first mag after ammo crate, like in that boltgun game
somber axle
and make auras stack pleease
aura stacking would be hilarious LMFAO imagine all movespeed aura Vets running 20% faster
faint beacon
With a 20% pickup it Would jump to 90ish
austere pine
A tin gives 67 bullets
man i want tins to give back 67 revolver bullets
somber axle
powered up first mag after ammo crate, like in that boltgun game
that's a really good idea
unique sorrel
oh wait, plasma
austere pine
aura stacking would be hilarious LMFAO imagine all movespeed aura Vets running 2...
or 4 zealots with cleanse aura always in coherency running grimoires
tall torrent
and make auras stack pleease
No
somber axle
anyway I doubt the devs read this but if they do please just change Surv Aura to make it improve ammo gains from tins/packs instead of giving ammo on kills
I swear it will fix how reliant people are on the aura
tall torrent
why no
4 zealots with benediction stacking permanent 60% TDR and roleplay as ogryn, no thx
tiny summit
It’s more like “spam nades more” tbh given most of the enemies are very high mas...
I mean I played my zealot w/o any vet in the team. I only used my agri brauto against snipers, bombers and trappers and the occasional rager or dog pin. Managed to not blow through my ammo until I decided to at the end of the mission
tall torrent
Or psyker seer’s presence
austere pine
cdr?
tall torrent
Psyker can already reach theoretical 97% CDR
austere pine
sure, why not?
make the game harder by giving us space marines, then
the good power creep
tall torrent
sure, why not?
No the question is what becomes the cooldown when u go above 100%
tall torrent
No psyker genuinely gets to cut a 30s CD ability down to 0.9s, if everything works out in theory
austere pine
reworking cdr should not be that big of an issue
unique sorrel
i havent slept
faint beacon
I remember having to inform the harsh truth of how fucked we are if we ever run into a Death Guard on Atoma, cause he really wanted to fight one lmao
tall torrent
Practically it’s not as ridiculous as 0.9s, but still extremely short to the point where it’s basically always available
faint beacon
anyway I doubt the devs read this but if they do please just change Surv Aura to...
Honestly this is the best way to rework it, cause then it keeps the ammo economy in check but encourages weapons with poor Econ to conserve ammo but get rewarded for running the Aura and obviously picking up Tins or packs
tall torrent
CDR current application is
CD x(1-CDR%)
untold mulch
I remember having to inform the harsh truth of how fucked we are if we ever run ...
Eh we slap beasts of nurgle
Rejects are too dumb to get sick
faint beacon
Admittedly I’ll give you that but I feel like a Plague Marine is going to be oh so much worse
faint beacon
Hell I’m waiting for the Traitor Captains to be in the boss spawn pool cause it’d be fucking awesome to fight them outside of assassination missions
austere pine
a party of 4 ogryn fucks up a SM
untold mulch
Sooo, yeah
untold mulch
a party of 4 ogryn fucks up a SM
Hell, ONE in close quarters
austere pine
tf is a SM gonna do against a brain burst from a lvl 1 psyker?
untold mulch
An Ogryn hqs suplexed a terminator and broke its neck
umbral garnet
Hell, ONE in close quarters
OGRYN SMASH
austere pine
i think the problem with SMs would be their super mobility
faint beacon
An Ogryn hqs suplexed a terminator and broke its neck
I very vividly recall an Ogryn taking on 3-4 CSM’s before finally dying
radiant chasm
CSMs aren't in the game cause of power level, fatshark just doesn't want any in the story
faint beacon
1 Ogryn for 4 marines
untold mulch
A protag SM? Sure
A normal one? Gets slapped
radiant chasm
cause SM/CSM tend to take over plots and storylines
austere pine
we'd be talking about either the death guard or a nurgle chaos warband but like... they're still space marines
faint beacon
Youch!
untold mulch
I very vividly recall an Ogryn taking on 3-4 CSM’s before finally dying
I think is that one
I am okay with no SM
faint beacon
World eaters I believe
radiant chasm
our rejects can more than easily take on a lone deathguard, it's just a story reason
untold mulch
At the same time I am down for a boss fight
umbral garnet
A protag SM? Sure
A normal one? Gets slapped
When the Space Marine has a name.
faint beacon
I’m more Guard focused than I am SM
austere pine
I am okay with no SM
i think it'd be cool but it's okay we don't have em
covert wren
I can imagine Genestealers?
untold mulch
When the Space Marine has a name.
But we got 4 🗿
austere pine
more coordinated daemons would be an interesting addition
umbral garnet
i think it'd be cool but it's okay we don't have em
True, genestealers please and thank you.
We all know Zola is 'hiding something and she doesn't even realise it'.
faint beacon
our rejects can more than easily take on a lone deathguard, it's just a story re...
Yeah again I see why there but at the same time to sheer amount of Beasts and Chaos spawns even though Nurgle is the most willing to give gifts and favors, I think there’s a big reason we don’t speak of the lower hive
untold mulch
I want to solo a geneastealer ngl
tiny summit
Genestealers any patch now
austere pine
I want to solo a geneastealer ngl
ah yes... solo a genestealer
untold mulch
Horus Heresy would have ended diff, if Sanguinius had a Dclaw
austere pine
i've always known you were a heretic
untold mulch
solo a female genestealer
🤨
umbral garnet
She could steal my genes if you catch my drift.
faint beacon
Yeah you’re right h- silence
austere pine
grendyl will hear of this...
umbral garnet
grendyl will hear of this...
Who rattled your cage?
untold mulch
Anyways need a Hellgun
austere pine
have no mercy for the heretic
faint beacon
Yeah you’re right though Sanguinius should’ve just parry chained
austere pine
skill issue on his end tbh
untold mulch
Massive skill issue
umbral garnet
Have no fear, Dclaw is here.
austere pine
🤨
faint beacon
the emperor also
Blood Pact Traitor Guardsmen right there
hearty panther
couldnt he hear the backstab sound coming? is he stupid?
austere pine
i think spideysenses was created for sanguinius
untold mulch
Maybe he didnt update his rig and the audio cue didnt play
faint beacon
He didn’t hear the whoosh effect
austere pine
post-mortem, but alas
untold mulch
Emperor should have just used VoC to buff his defense
austere pine
why didn't the emperor use infiltrate?
umbral garnet
Should've had a Shield Ogryn to tank the hits.
untold mulch
Sadly he ran Exec Stance
faint beacon
Hello yes can we have a sitcom of a Traitor Moebian 6th blatantly being a traitor upon the mourning star but acting and being fully into the bit of a loyalist
austere pine
ah... unfortunate
faint beacon
Thanks Obesefish
austere pine
OBESEFISH
faint beacon
Hello my fellow rejects how’s the missions coming along! He says with his armor being awfully warp influenced and has spikes all over it
Chaos marks every where
umbral garnet
Hello yes can we have a sitcom of a Traitor Moebian 6th blatantly being a traito...
"Reject! C'mon, don't mess with that vox, you're not a traitor, now are you?"
"Me? No way!"
Shitty freeze frame
faint beacon
His emotionless green mask some how showing concern
umbral garnet
"Oh, reject!"
And then everyone jumps in the air and he shoots someone in the head.
faint beacon
Sah! How comes you alls spikey! Like a sniveler!
austere pine
It hurts when they punch you, slab.
faint beacon
"Oh, reject!"
And then everyone jumps in the air and he shoots someone in the he...
No better yet you hear the sniper wind up effect before it freezes on a frame right before the laser connects to someone’s head
Lmao
umbral garnet
No better yet you hear the sniper wind up effect before it freezes on a frame ri...
PERFECTION
Zwoop
"Next time on: When the Tide is Dark!"
faint beacon
I’m going to no life Darktide till I get that fucking loyalist armor
tall torrent
I’m going to no life Darktide till I get that fucking loyalist armor
What’s ur penance point progress
faint beacon
I want to do a bit of acting as a traitor but horribly covering it up
3100 atm
About to 100% Vet
tall torrent
I’m at 3710 rn
austere pine
*Zwoop*
"Next time on: When the Tide is Dark!"
this reminded me of ye olde "when the impostor is sus"
tall torrent
Need to finish ogryn & psyker
faint beacon
*Zwoop*
"Next time on: When the Tide is Dark!"
Our “Loyalist” friend has a run in with the sarge
Fucking morrow is giving him the death stare
normal spruce
Is Brittleness a purely anti-crusher effect? I am thinking of investing into Onslaught on my MK V Infantry Autogun build
umbral garnet
this reminded me of ye olde "when the impostor is sus"
Can't believe Among Us is getting a TV show when our Traitor friend would be a much more charismatically evil soul.
austere pine
NAH THAT'S ACTUALLY AMONG US
THEY ARE ON A SPACE SHIP
AND THERE'S A TRAITOR AMONG THEM TRYING TO FIT IN
tall torrent
Is Brittleness a purely anti-crusher effect? I am thinking of investing into Ons...
Onslaught is basically exclusively for mag dumping crushers with ur gun, yes
grand perch
About to 100% Vet
dont forget, to get 100%, you need the hidden penance as well. fill up your Hadron's fun times exciting blessing stickerbook and get all blessings
austere pine
dont forget, to get 100%, you need the hidden penance as well. fill up your Hadr...
the... what?
tall torrent
100%ing veteran and zealot was painful
umbral garnet
Our “Loyalist” friend has a run in with the sarge
Fucking morrow is giving him ...
"Oi, you."
"Yes, Sergeant I'm-going-to-eat-your-bone-Morrow sir?"
grand perch
the... what?
im just starting rumours
tall torrent
Veteran:
Crab walk melee
Throw krak into bruiser horde
Zealot:
Loner backstab
Stealth backstab
grand perch
no need to crab walk when you click heads real good 
umbral garnet
In other news, real happy with this Boltgun.
Just wish Collateral was a bit higher.
vague smelt
Do you think they'll bring the next update on September or December
austere pine
Do you think they'll bring the next update on September or December
we just got an update
there's literally no use speculating rn
faint beacon
"Oi, you."
"Yes, Sergeant I'm-going-to-eat-your-bone-Morrow sir?"
Like the Sarge sees right through him as he’s an obvious traitor but like 90% of the people just don’t acknowledge it lmao
tall torrent
Rannick seeing 4 Moebian 6th dudes in a strike team:
umbral garnet
Even Hadron and Zola are buddy buddy with him.
faint beacon
Uh yes in the name of the… omnisiah! Not the dark gods no we don’t like them!
last parcel
Do you think they'll bring the next update on September or December
just assume december 31st and don’t worry about it until they give a date
umbral garnet
Oh great grandfather Nurgle? Oh, no, he's disgusting and vile and hideous and... and things.
untold mulch
Do you think they'll bring the next update on September or December
Assume nowhere near a good timeline and you probably be right
faint beacon
I mean he gave me a nurglin- I mean the omnisiah showed me how amazing technology is!
umbral garnet
I love playing catch with a beast of Nurgle. I mean, I throw grenades, yes, yes!
faint beacon
Captain Wol-Zola is amazing as well!
tall torrent
I made a thing <@366562874039992331>
nice
vague smelt
Which I don't have sadly
tall torrent
I just need Dum Dum and FF
Fire Frenzy not as good as Deathspitter imo
vague smelt
Not even Tier III
vague smelt
Fire Frenzy not as good as Deathspitter imo
Should I use Deathspitter instead of FF
tall torrent
u could go hit&run for duck & dive + deadshot memes
tall torrent
I got this last night
tall torrent
Solid knife
if crafting update opens up locks I'm changing maniac to weakspot
somber axle
In other news, real happy with this Boltgun.
if it makes you feel any better 75% collateral hits an incredibly obscure stagger breakpoint that will literally never matter in games ever
but you can technically open a Bulwark shield with 1 Boltgun shot still
umbral garnet
if it makes you feel any better 75% collateral hits an incredibly obscure stagge...
Lmao thank you for the reassurance.
somber axle
with some absolutely nonsensical set up
tall torrent
In other news, real happy with this Boltgun.
Really nice
Could swap shattering to surgical when u get that
faint beacon
if crafting update opens up locks I'm changing maniac to weakspot
Honestly I like the combo of blessings on that knife but I’m completely illiterate on what makes it so insane/mandatory for it to be like that mainly just cause my brain immediately sees Flesh tearer is on critical I need crits
somber axle
whoops one sec
umbral garnet
Really nice
Could swap shattering to surgical when u get that
Oh I do have it
somber axle
the Boltgun can open a Bulwark shield in a single shot IF
- You have 75%+ Collateral
- You use Executioner's Stance
- You have max stacks of Pinning Fire
neat stratus
I think battlefield is up there as one of the worst AAA series of all time
tall torrent
Honestly I like the combo of blessings on that knife but I’m completely illitera...
Flesh tearer is pretty nice because reciprocity (actually good for knife) + desperado gives u pretty good crit chance
faint beacon
In other news, real happy with this Boltgun.
Damn good pull btw
tall torrent
30~55% crit chance usually
tall torrent
And flesh tearer gives some breakpoints
faint beacon
Flesh tearer is pretty nice because reciprocity (actually good for knife) + desp...
Basically run WS with it if I can?
somber axle
you need Exe Stance, Combat Stim, max stacks Pinning Fire AND a Boltgun with at least 75% Collatral stat
last parcel
i love drugs
wanton dawn
the Boltgun can open a Bulwark shield in a single shot IF
What about 2 ?
tall torrent
Basically run WS with it if I can?
I don’t run WS
faint beacon
You just run those two perks
somber axle
What about 2 ?
You can open Bulwark shield with 2 shots and Exe Stance
you do not need combat stim to do it
somber axle
TECHNICALLY even the hyper obscure single shot Bulwark breakpoint for staggering their shield is still 2 shots if you consider you must at bare minimum fire one boltgun round into trash to stagger them for pinning fire stacks
wanton dawn
I guess meta is to hipfire bulwark then
faint beacon
I use this
I saw fully loaded and instantly went
somber axle
if you're using Boltgun without Exe Stance you will need 5-6 shots
depending on pinning fire Stacks
faint beacon
My HH might work with this but I’d need to do slight tweaking
tall torrent
My HH might work with this but I’d need to do slight tweaking
Vraks7? Or 3
somber axle
if you have high Collateral stat AND max Pinning Fire stacks you can open a Bulwark shield without Executioner's Stance in as little as 4 shots
tall torrent
Insane person one
I wouldn’t run headhunter with knife tbh
wanton dawn
if you're using Boltgun without Exe Stance you will need 5-6 shots
I think exe bolter is the best way to play it anyway
tall torrent
Both are pretty point tax weapons
somber axle
I think exe bolter is the best way to play it anyway
I agree
and in the off chance you're using a combat stim, have just staggered enemies and see a Bulwark during your Exe Stance?
you can now know you will be able to open the shield in 1 shot
normal spruce
What would be the biggest differences between MG Ia Infantry Lasgun and MK VII Headhunter Autogun? Their damage numbers are almost the same, they are both semi-auto weapons, and they both have crit chance increase blessing + Deadly Accurate blessing combos that are preferred over other blessings.
somber axle
if you have collateral stat at 75%+
wanton dawn
What would be the biggest differences between MG Ia Infantry Lasgun and MK VII H...
Doesnt vrak has higher finesse and lower mag ?
Also need to check armor mod
normal spruce
Doesnt vrak has higher finesse and lower mag ?
So Vrak is more crit and weakspot focused? Which one of these would you prefer? considering their usefulness. I also checked their damage stats vs armor, and Vrak seems to deal more damage on most occasions
untold mulch
personally, autoguns are doing better than lasguns
normal spruce
I will give the Vrak a try, it does seem to do significantly more weakspot damage
hollow ibex
I will give the Vrak a try, it does seem to do significantly more weakspot damag...
It’s good but you really have to land headshots
untold mulch
If I remember correctly, it does terribly if you don't weakspot, but does amazingly if you do
depends on breakpoints, maybe marksman focus can help
hollow ibex
Also has a good amount of zoom upon ADS which can be great or awful depending on your playstyle
untold mulch
6s for weakspot kill is comfy
somber axle
personally, autoguns are doing better than lasguns
on everything except ammo efficiency if the lasguns are using shock trooper + a little bit of crit yeah
though also
even though Autoguns have funny TTK on Crushers
normal spruce
Generally I can hit weakspots, unless I genuinely cannot see an enemy clearly.
somber axle
Helbore Mk III can literally one shot Crushers
but then Helbore Mk III is an outlier compared to the other lasguns tbh
untold mulch
on everything except ammo efficiency if the lasguns are using shock trooper + a ...
yeah, but sadly the ammo efficiency doesn't compensates the drawback IMO
normal spruce
I will make do with Krak grenades against crushers, Chainsword seems to take half their hp too
somber axle
yeah, but sadly the ammo efficiency doesn't compensates the drawback IMO
what drawbacks? Mk II Helbore annihilates bosses, Crushers/Maulers, wipes all specials and elites, and still is ammo efficient enough to use on clearing rooms of shooters without being thirsty for ammo later
Mk III helbore is quite possibly THE only gun left in the game that might be able to go ammo positive on no ammo maelstrom
untold mulch
what drawbacks? Mk II Helbore annihilates bosses, Crushers/Maulers, wipes all sp...
I am comparing with Kantrael/MG lasguns
Lucius is great on its role
somber axle
Love Lucius
untold mulch
but very awkward to use if you don't like the gimmick
somber axle
Kantrael Las Rifles are ok but outclassed by most other guns
untold mulch
pretty much
somber axle
Mg1a has some solid special/elite kill potential and surprisingly good boss DPS too
it just can't deal with Crushers well
faint beacon
Gonna be dead serious
untold mulch
but Vraks imo are more directly faced against Kantrael, on handling
tall torrent
Is the Graia MkVII
Graia mk8? Yes
untold mulch
Lucius I think the best comparison maybe is Bolter? idk
tall torrent
It’s good
normal spruce
Why not?
tall torrent
Graia8 is the lowest recoil IAG
And doesn’t have Columnus5’s bad dmg falloff over range
All 3 IAGs are good, columnus5 is just busted
tall torrent
Agri1 is highest recoil, highest dmg
somber axle
Lucius I think the best comparison maybe is Bolter? idk
Lucius is beyond compare tbh
in a league of its own as the best all arounder weapon that even can do melee
somber axle
I'd put it S tier but a lot of people wouldn't because Plasma/Revolver/CIAG is where a lot of people look at S Tier guns
and after the Surv Aura nerf I'd say Mk III Helbore is above Plasma and Revolver
for most players at least
a good player can stretch the ammo econ on those and be fine
average players are very ammo hungry in quickplay using them
faint beacon
Actually you’d think the Graia pair well with a knife at all or a different melee
Cause I’m probably going to test this gun out when I’m home
untold mulch
Lucius is beyond compare tbh
I am more saying that to my understanding in handling and maybe half role
IAG directly faces Recon (Which IAG clears because Recon is a bad joke)
Headhunters directly faces MG lasguns, in which Headhunters win in outright performance if you aim at heads, but lasgun may be better if you chest shot often? (though why use it then?)
And Bolter and Lucius are both "awkward" to use, personally Lucius wins because ammo economy, single target damage and bayonet. But I can see some slight changes in Bolter making it back competitive for spot
somber axle
I think Recons are more comparable to Braced Autoguns tbh but they can also do long distance sniping better than Braced Autoguns can
Kantrael Infantry Lasguns are more directly compared to Headhunters
untold mulch
I am half expecting if we hget a hellgun without being an ability it being a "braced las"
faint beacon
Recons are the weakest of all the weapons, doesn’t mean you can’t use them but I can say at least it’s better than the shredder lmao
somber axle
Infantry Autoguns are all kinda really good and don't really have a comparison with any of the lasgun categories imo
CIAG is just broken and godly LOL
you can't compare anything to it because you'll never actually be comparing, you'll just be praising how good the CIAG is and being upset another gun isn't the CIAG
untold mulch
Recons are the weakest of all the weapons, doesn’t mean you can’t use them but I...
Yeah is pretty bad
faint beacon
CIAG is just broken and godly LOL
The day it gets nerfed I simply will just use the one I already like more the Agri lmao
untold mulch
Infantry Autoguns are all kinda really good and don't really have a comparison w...
eh, I personally say Recon is the competitor if Fatshark gave a damn about its balance, but Recon is so poorly made that it basically hgas no role
faint beacon
I love slower rate of fire weapons
somber axle
the day it gets nerfed I'm getting popcorn and coming to Vet chat to see how many people whine
I hope it gets dunked on like Recon tier tbh
faint beacon
the day it gets nerfed I'm getting popcorn and coming to Vet chat to see how man...
Could you share?
somber axle
Yes absolutely
last parcel
somber axle
eh, I personally say Recon is the competitor if Fatshark gave a damn about its b...
it has a role as being a clown weapon
grizzled pebble
I use this
Focus target 8 stacks not worth it?
untold mulch
The Graia and Agri exist
Agri brauto and autogun are amazing
hearty panther
memories of psword nerfs
somber axle
literally only clowns can use this to any effectiveness in higher difficulty content
untold mulch
the cleave is so good
faint beacon
it has a role as being a clown weapon
Gods strongest jester
somber axle
if you're not a clown don't bother
tame lodge
the day it gets nerfed I'm getting popcorn and coming to Vet chat to see how man...
Good, the Ciag has the worst iron sight design
somber axle
my shoes jingle when I walk and that's why I can fight Nurgle with a Recon
do not get on my level because you will not want to be here
faint beacon
Have you done Recon on Maelstrom yet
somber axle
no
faint beacon
I’d love to witness this
last parcel
it works
last parcel
a guy brought it to no ammo sab only
somber axle
I'm a quickplay Damnation player and sometimes jump into Auric Damnation quickplays if I'm not dead after work
untold mulch
I wish I could use Recon without feeling like I am shooting nerf darts at people but ALSO having to carefully watch my ammo even on karking heresy
hearty panther
"the psword wasnt op it was just the only way to deal with any enemies in the game because everything else sucked why dont they just buff up all the other options this is a pve game why balance anything they take this too seriously so they should revert the nerf or i will leave more unintelligible angry comments"
somber axle
I don't touch Maelstroms because monstrosities spawning in constantly sounds terrifying and I can't 1v1 a Chaos Spawn so I don't trust myself to clutch out trying to fight 2 of them at once
untold mulch
annoying
hearty panther
launch psword was great for noobs
somber axle
the funny lesser enemies sometimes morph into weaker monstrosities modifier is too scary for this clown
outer wolf
Could anyone link a good infiltrator build?
idle swallow
Anyone saying power cycler 4 on PS6 isn't overtuned is huffing their own farts too hard
hearty panther
you could kill everything with three swings and it stayed powered for five
untold mulch
Imagine not using the chainsword
last parcel
I don't touch Maelstroms because monstrosities spawning in constantly sounds ter...
you could just not do maelstrom when that’s the modifier. you’ll just probably end up facing waves of 14 poxbursters 
wanton dawn
I never got the Psword craze
Ps6 can be put on all build, with any configuration of ranged and talent, and do well
untold mulch
Ps6 can be put on all build, with any configuration of ranged and talent, and do...
Sorry let me clarify
grizzled pebble
Standard shovel is the same. 
somber axle
you could just not do maelstrom when that’s the modifier. you’ll just probably e...
I probably should just force myself to play it on a day I'm not working and stop being scared
untold mulch
I get why, I just didn't found it interesting
umbral garnet
Ps6 can be put on all build, with any configuration of ranged and talent, and do...
My favourite is the Crusher 2 shot.
Poke, BONK
somber axle
I'll probably be ok but wow I am nervous about trying to jump into pugs Maelstroms
untold mulch
The moment I picked a Psword and saw I needed to power up every swing? I went back to my chainsword
that weapon when I use the rev, is when asskicking must be done
wanton dawn
Standard shovel is the same. <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Id guess ps is better against boss though
tame lodge
Ps6 can be put on all build, with any configuration of ranged and talent, and do...
I'm used to the 3, tried the 6 and I totally see the appeal
somber axle
it's like when Soldier 69 told me there's no functional difference between Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet and Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet
untold mulch
somber axle
it's mostly placebo effect in my brain making me nervous and then because I'm nervous I make mistakes and die
idle swallow
Once you're attuned to the PS6 moveset it's just no contest
faint beacon
I'm a quickplay Damnation player and sometimes jump into Auric Damnation quickpl...
Hells your veterans name I feel like might’ve ran into you cause damnation is when I don’t want to think or I’m grinding materials and Auric is my casual
somber axle
LMFAO
grizzled pebble
Id guess ps is better against boss though <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244442072391...
True. Nothing comes close to mk6 against monsters. But uncanny standard shovel is not too bad tbf.
somber axle
Hells your veterans name I feel like might’ve ran into you cause damnation is wh...
Probably yeah I play on US West region for quickplay servers so chances are you may have seen a clown running around
umbral garnet
True. Nothing comes close to mk6 against monsters. But uncanny standard shovel i...
Sapper Shovel with Thrust.
faint beacon
US east
wanton dawn
True. Nothing comes close to mk6 against monsters. But uncanny standard shovel i...
Yeah but my point is that ps6 is good to best against litterally anything that is not ranged
umbral garnet
Full charge, weakspot, boom.
umbral garnet
A quarter of their health.
faint beacon
If you’ve seen a Siegfried that’s me
somber axle
the name does not ring the bells on my ankles sadly
idle swallow
If you see a green vet named BarlaBlackwell that's me, wave hi or something
somber axle
my Veteran is Leslie, my Psyker is Seffie, my Ogryn is Reth and my Zealot is Clarisse
last parcel
If you’ve seen a Siegfried that’s me
umbral garnet
If you see a green vet named BarlaBlackwell that's me, wave hi or something
I'll make sure to shoot you.
somber axle
Clarisse is really the only one dressed as a clown tbh
faint beacon
https://tenor.com/view/blight-batman-beyond-you-killed-my-father-do-you-have-any...
LMAO
grizzled pebble
Sapper Shovel with Thrust.
I am too noob for these folding shovels.
untold mulch
https://tenor.com/view/blight-batman-beyond-you-killed-my-father-do-you-have-any...
Batman Beyond meme, nice
umbral garnet
I am too noob for these folding shovels.
They are excellent.
tall torrent
True. Nothing comes close to mk6 against monsters. But uncanny standard shovel i...
Shovel just isn’t great vs bosses even with max uncanny stacks
somber axle
I CAN dress my Vet as a clown but tbh I am usually wearing the Moebian 21st Recon pants/chest piece with the cover art helmet for teaser trailer look
faint beacon
Tbf my friend code is in my display name on here if any vets are interested in playing in the future, yes this means I want to eventually see you do Maelstrom with recon @somber axle
untold mulch
I am too noob for these folding shovels.
I dislike their horde capabilities
But one shotting crushers with thrust is funny
somber axle
though I've been alternating into Elysian and Catachan outfits a lot lately
wanton dawn
I am having fun with agile ws ps6 with sunder.
somber axle
Tbf my friend code is in my display name on here if any vets are interested in p...
Maybe after I practice some Maelstroms
faint beacon
Gods silliest warrior
untold mulch
I used Folding Shovel for maelstrom with no ammo
Crusher train? Folds shovel
faint beacon
Recon on Mael
somber axle
no ammo mael Recon would be the most clownish behavior I could ever do
faint beacon
I used Folding Shovel for maelstrom with no ammo
Crusher train? *Folds shovel* ...
How it feels to Mk3/7
idle swallow
If you're doing QP aurics or histg often you'll be fine
untold mulch
no ammo mael Recon would be the most clownish behavior I could ever do
Evil
somber axle
I think the first time I run no ammo Maelstrom I'll bring my Mk III Helbore
umbral garnet
I used Folding Shovel for maelstrom with no ammo
Crusher train? *Folds shovel* ...
Cuh-clank
"I am death, destroyer of heads."
somber axle
I think I could literally go beginning to end on no ammo Maelstrom with it and never run out of ammo
anyway brb gotta go shower and get ready for work soon
faint beacon
I’ve honestly grown a huge liking for HISG (VP)
wanton dawn
I could do some maelstrom with discord ppl, why the hell not. Once i finish dinner time
untold mulch
*Cuh-clank*
"I am death, destroyer of heads."
It was so funny seeing 5+ crushers and maules, the entire team running away, and I just funneling them into a small entrance oneshotting them one by one
faint beacon
I noticed recently there’s actually a spawn queue for snipers and I really like its sound design
somber axle
I noticed recently there’s actually a spawn queue for snipers and I really like ...
is it the little breathy sound
it's so hard to hear over hounds howling and muties roaring and poxbursters beeping
and just general combat noises
umbral garnet
I suppose I can add you, Gale.
faint beacon
is it the little breathy sound
It sounds like NVs Flickering on with the sounds of crackling
faint beacon
It’s only in Vent Purge Hi Intense Sniper Gauntlet
grizzled pebble
Shovel just isn’t great vs bosses even with max uncanny stacks
I think it's not too shabby. 
faint beacon
It signifies when a sniper squad got deployed
somber axle
It’s only in Vent Purge Hi Intense Sniper Gauntlet
ok time for me to run this
faint beacon
ok time for me to run this
I will warn you
untold mulch
I think it's not too shabby. <:pepe_shrug:884770340390207508>
Strongest Nurgle blessed being vs Weakest Guardsman
faint beacon
You will hear it
And then through the fog you will see like
7 lasers
Track your Ogryn
untold mulch
Oh thats fun
faint beacon
It’s fucking scary
wanton dawn
I think it's not too shabby. <:pepe_shrug:884770340390207508>
Unyielding on that ?
faint beacon
It’s fun but oh my god it’s nerve wracking
untold mulch
last time I had a sniper modifier I had brauto 
It was not a good time
grizzled pebble
Unyielding on that ?
Nope flak maniac.
faint beacon
Actually I’ll dig up the sfx real quick
umbral garnet
It’s fun but oh my god it’s nerve wracking
"RAVE, ACTIVATE!"
tall torrent
I think it's not too shabby. <:pepe_shrug:884770340390207508>
Yea it’s fairly slow, it works but not great
grizzled pebble
Which one? When I just get knocked across the rail or?
faint beacon
I can send video links in here right?
grizzled pebble
PogChimp
untold mulch
I can send video links in here right?
yes
untold mulch
never heard it
lost epoch
Is there any particular melee weapon that's meta rn
untold mulch
I always see the laser or the charge up
faint beacon
It’s only on Vent purge
faint beacon
They serious need to make it a sound for it
Cause it tickles my brain
It’s very good
faint beacon
Yeah whenever I hear that cause people seriously do not know about it
I immediately type in chat
Sniper Squad stinger
grizzled pebble
Yea it’s fairly slow, it works but not great
Well what are you comparing it to? Don't say mk6 power sword or bleed knife since those 2 are monsters killer specialist.
sharp epoch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1196552042437673090...
wouldnt ps6 be better for light spam
wanton dawn
wouldnt ps6 be better for light spam
I do whatever i want
faint beacon
I suppose I can add you, Gale.
Also appreciate it, won’t be on till way later however
tall torrent
Well what are you comparing it to? Don't say mk6 power sword or bleed knife sinc...
I’m prob biased because I mostly use Rashad/knife so yea
umbral garnet
Also appreciate it, won’t be on till way later however
Naw, it's fine, just saying.
untold mulch
just remembered the silly build to punch a Crusher to death with bleed
faint beacon
I’m feeling evil
last parcel
I think the first time I run no ammo Maelstrom I'll bring my Mk III Helbore
it can do pretty well. trauma psyker did a lot of work though
wanton dawn
I should make my power sword a power axe
tame lodge
Sniper spawn queue stinger
Is that the sound of distant shots, sounds good, I also love being near snipers when they shoot
untold mulch
Punched so hard their organs ruptured
Time to make a bald character that only uses the punch of the knife
still on training arc
last parcel
do squats in the elevator
untold mulch
100 dodges
100 slides
100 squats
faint beacon
Is that the sound of distant shots, sounds good, I also love being near snipers ...
Yeah it’s NVs turning on followed with what I can hear to be distant shots or possibly a Valkyrie taking off
pallid jetty
https://youtu.be/CRssfet26mI?si=D3_7FsXnx63pG48e
faint beacon
Look I love the sniper stinger so much I’m depressed it’s locked behind 1 Auric
Literally I recently learned of it just because i heard it once and panicked cause I had 0 clue what I meant till the 7 snipers took up in our back line lmao
grizzled pebble
Most monster damage more than a knife bolter zealot. Me standard shovel stronk
faint beacon
SIM shovel special on its way to stagger mutants
grizzled pebble
What's the build for mk7 shovel? Thrust is a must?
faint beacon
Thrust Uncanny
grizzled pebble
The heavy attack chains just feel slower than standard shovel.
faint beacon
Maniac Flak
grizzled pebble
faint beacon
Iirc
tall torrent
What's the build for mk7 shovel? Thrust is a must?
Thrust + uncanny
Carapace + flak/elite
faint beacon
The heavy attack chains just feel slower than standard shovel.
So apparently you can work around that by doing H1 - L1 looping
tall torrent
So apparently you can work around that by doing H1 - L1 looping
No
faint beacon
Or be me and not care and still Heavy spam lmao
faint beacon
Yeah I knew it was something like that
You could throw in a light in there but it’s not really mandatory
tall torrent
Why l3? That's strike down.
That’s a diagonal strikedown like a Rashad hit, and comes out fast
jaunty sphinx
Is there any particular melee weapon that's meta rn
psword and devils claw imo
faint beacon
Kills a good chunk of them instead of staggering
jaunty sphinx
but I like my combat axe too
tall torrent
Is there any particular melee weapon that's meta rn
Power sword mk6
Combat axe mk2
Both combat blades
Devil’s claw mk4 / mk7
Sapper shovel mk7
Chainsword mk4
faint beacon
Mk7 is better for in situations shenanigans but yes the SIM is amazing
midnight totem
Now I can play the game
faint beacon
Especially if you enjoy bullying mutants
rich vessel
why chainsword mk4 over 13?
tall torrent
why chainsword mk4 over 13?
Way better moveset
And the fact that it has a coherent moveset
grizzled pebble
Mk7 is better for in situations shenanigans but yes the SIM is amazing
Fellow standard issued enjoyer. 
untold mulch
I personally like the 13 moveset actually
grizzled pebble
The standard shovel heavy spam is faster 100%.
Especially heavy 2. That comes out so fast.
midnight totem
Bonking with the standard issue feels so much better
lost epoch
I like the basic shovel
alpine jetty
Love me bolter
Love me shovel
Love the emporer
‘Ate ‘Eretics
Simple As.
faint beacon
I’m more of a Mk7 enjoyer
But I do enjoy using the SIM solely to bully the shit out of mutants lmao
grizzled pebble
I'm too scared to special it head on. 
Usually I side dodge then go to town on it.
faint beacon
Mk7 + Maniac
It’s a good 65% I kill it before it grabs me
Other is it’s at 10 HP lmao
faint beacon
Me when my shovel wants to say hi to his head
(It instantly kills him with special)
somber axle
it can do pretty well. trauma psyker did a lot of work though
Geez that's a lot of elite kills
Definitely using the Mk III for my first time
faint beacon
Hellbore?
faint beacon
Also I’d say don’t feel beaten up about needing to retreat on Maelstrom I’ve had it happen quite a bit
somber axle
I want to practice Maelstrom a bit before I begin doing my funny clown routine there
faint beacon
There will be like 6 crushers and 7 ragers backed with a Tox Bomber
grizzled pebble
You can wait for easier maelstrom like hunting ground.
faint beacon
And I just go yeah fuck that I’m backing up
grizzled pebble
It's just slightly more scary than hi-int hunting ground.
Basically a hishock with doggies.
somber axle
Also I’d say don’t feel beaten up about needing to retreat on Maelstrom I’ve had...
Oh don't worry I am a coward AND a clown. If my team goes down I backtrack to find a better position because fighting in a intersection between 3 spawn doors or right up next to one is an awful idea LOL
If I have to solo clutch I will use as much of the map as I need to try to survive
Standing your ground is for Ogryns
faint beacon
Expect specials to swarm you from behind
It’s
Common on Maelstrom
This is why I love that I’ve gotten movement down
That or have a VOC or Chorus Zealot
faint beacon
If I have to solo clutch I will use as much of the map as I need to try to survi...
I damn near did a solo clutch once
Carnival, amphitheater
Every died outside of the elevator right
somber axle
Carnival is my favourite because it is the stage for Wolfer's men to watch me perform
faint beacon
The elevator that goes down to the area that leads to the ampi right?
somber axle
I love splitting off solo to close gates while my 3 squadmates huddle in that dark corner
Nothing makes me feel more alive than breakdancing through a hailstorm of lasgun fire leading a parade of poxwalkers all around the arena while my team is forced to watch
faint beacon
I fucking ran through there cause it forced their rescue at the entrance of the ampi
I WOULDVE SAVED THEM
Literally got there
last parcel
faint beacon
Chaos Spawn SFX
somber axle
Rip LMFAO
faint beacon
I was proud of what I did by myself
But my god I was more proud than upset lmao
They did congrats me on the try so I felt good
wanton dawn
Alrighty then
last parcel
https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-disappear-gif-24355541
infiltrate
somber axle
Me when the knife Zealot halfway across the map gets hit in a net while the whole squad is engaged with bulwarks and crushers
Time to try the stealth rescue and hope my two other living team mates don't fold
faint beacon
Loner Knife Zealot
somber axle
I will rescue the Zealot and he will immediately run back into a net 2 minutes later
faint beacon
That or get pounced
This does not apply if they are actually very good with the build and rarely/never have this happen to them
bleak jungle
loner knife zealots are a different breed
Lost all my braincells going fast
idle swallow
The thing is usually the people good enough to run loner knife effectively know to not run loner cuz it's worthless
bleak jungle
Nah loner can help if used right and their dealing with the ranged units as they should
faint beacon
Loners who group back up with their team cause they actually notice the massive group of specials swarming them 👍
somber axle
Good Loners are very good players
Bad Loners are very funny players
you look away for 2 seconds in a firefight and they've abandoned the squad halfway across the map nearly to the elevator and they're pounced/netted
wondering how it's possible they teleported directly to their death
bleak jungle
God speed runner knifes are the worst only type of player I will vote kick
bitter turtle
Good Loners are very good players
even if you play that style
loner itself is just a really
meh aura
pretty much would never use it outside of the stupid penance
somber axle
idk Zealot tbh beyond Perfect Strike Shred Evis15 so I can't really comment
tall torrent
even if you play that style
Yuri after getting a veteran tailing him all game long:
somber axle
a clown only tells jokes they know
bitter turtle
lel
bitter turtle
zealot has like 1 gorillion ways to regain toughness just by breathing
somber axle
I stumbled into the most meme build on Zealot I think
and it's fitting given I am a clown
bitter turtle
so its just pointless to activate 2 coherency worth of regen as an aura
its also very
annoying
to get away from your teammates
faint beacon
God speed runner knifes are the worst only type of player I will vote kick
I’ve only voted people who are AFK for like 2-3 minutes
bitter turtle
as ive learned
doing this penance
it happens a lot less than you'd think
even if you TRY on PURPOSE
faint beacon
It seriously takes a lot to make me want to kick a player outside of that
bleak jungle
I’ve only voted people who are AFK for like 2-3 minutes
Fair In 800 hrs ive maybe voted for 3 people
woven vigil
do you guys consider knife essential for the commando build (right side of the tree), or can you pretty much make it work with any decent weapon?
tame lodge
do you guys consider knife essential for the commando build (right side of the t...
You can make it work
Once you move away from knives, it's hard to come back
somber axle
I have go to to work soon but
last parcel
do you guys consider knife essential for the commando build (right side of the t...
i've used it with shovels, chainswords, and axes so you should be fine
woven vigil
You can make it work
I wanna give the sneaky vet a try, but I am too attached to my rashad rn and knife for horde clear almost gave me carpal tunnel back then
woven vigil
I'll stick with the axe and see how it works then
somber axle
she is my fav clown
last parcel
hello clownrisse
faint beacon
Outfit goes hard but I’m more of a simp for the steel set of it
Though I did literally make my Zealot a Cadian Preacher lmao
somber axle
Outfit goes hard but I’m more of a simp for the steel set of it
I like the bright red and gold in the dark, dreary streets. Everything is some shade of grey or green. Meanwhile Clarisse is shouting and shining in the dark like the clown she is
faint beacon
Might be female Fanatic
faint beacon
HARK YE AND PRAISE KINDRED!
somber axle
WELSH??
faint beacon
That’s what the male one is at least
woven vigil
fanatic is scot. Or at least her VA is lol
faint beacon
I cannot unhear the old man yelling out PERISH YE
tall torrent
I went back to judge zealot
tall torrent
The other 2 personalities just don’t sound that interesting either voice modulator
tall torrent
The one that constantly shit talks Loose cannon?
The “beneficent emperor” one
hasty osprey
i saw someone with golden armor and thought they hacked the game and changed the graphic of their armor
somber axle
i saw someone with golden armor and thought they hacked the game and changed the...
IT'S REALLY SHINY
hasty osprey
yeah i was like wtf how is this a thing
faint beacon
Something something noblemen armor
somber axle
their lore is that they're bodyguards of the nobles
and were busy guarding the vaults of the nobles
somber axle
then the whole Chaos Nurgle invasion happens and they go to war
they're some of Atoma's finest
faint beacon
Solely for Diet Zealot
somber axle
the nobles paid big money for protection
they're supposedly very good at what they do
I just picked it up because it looks clownish
and I like the aesthetic
The Psyker version looks like pajamas though
the Vet's Atoman Vault Guardian set has a Fallout T51b chest piece LMFAO
faint beacon
Me who’s mainly just getting the 6th armor and Steel Legion stuff
last parcel
DONT HAVE ANY?
YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THATMAGGOT
THE TRUTH IS, YOUVE LOST AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF ARMY EQUIPMENT
somber axle
YOUA RE OUT OF UNIFORM SOLDIER
last parcel
THAT SUIT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF YOUR PAY
somber axle
Enclave have such a cool aesthetic
faint beacon
Thank you Frank
idle swallow
There is only War/War never changes/War has changed
last parcel
FOR CREED
steep vault
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING
there was that psyker one that looked closer tho
had wiring in it
faint beacon
(They’ve never been there in their entire lives)
somber axle
Yeah LMFAO
somber axle
That one makes me think maybe the new one
T60?
Personally I have a soft spot for T45
T45 Medic Armour screaming at me in Fallout 3
ocean idol
Have not played in a long time, any vet changes worthy of note?
wanton dawn
This is the first time i get fed some many ammo
hasty osprey
i need enlightened guidance on plasma gun gameplay, should i respec to focus on ogyrns, just been trying to fig out the playstyle cus ive used everything else except the plasma gun
wanton dawn
I was like a fat kid in a candy shop
tame lodge
Have not played in a long time, any vet changes worthy of note?
Surv Aura has a 5 seconds cool down, Bulwarks are harder to stagger with plasma/bolter
tall torrent
i need enlightened guidance on plasma gun gameplay, should i respec to focus on ...
Shoot specialists & gunners in the head
grizzled pebble
i need enlightened guidance on plasma gun gameplay, should i respec to focus on ...
Left click and win it's that easy.
nocturne mulch
For the Unseen Predator penance does it only count the first kill that takes you out of stealth?
wanton dawn
For the Unseen Predator penance does it only count the first kill that takes you...
it is suppress though ?
nocturne mulch
If you take the +30% dmg for 5 seconds do kills while under that buff count?
last parcel
For the Unseen Predator penance does it only count the first kill that takes you...
it's the amount of people you stagger when leaving stealth
wanton dawn
Pretty sure it is just about uncloaking in the middle of enemies
tropic imp
It says kill enemies in infiltration in the spanish version
hasty osprey
Shoot specialists & gunners in the head
lmao yeah fair i assumed it was same ol same ol
tropic imp
But yeah it's supress
supple stag
Crab stance
hollow ibex
Does anyone know if bomber resist applies to the grenades or just the physical attack from them?
ocean idol
Surv Aura has a 5 seconds cool down, Bulwarks are harder to stagger with plasma/...
Is that ammo one?
tame lodge
Yes, still a good aura
wanton dawn
Me checking the personnality scourge: "F***, I was a cutthroat the WHOLE time ?"
winter grove
Me checking the personnality scourge: "F***, I was a cutthroat the WHOLE time ?"
He was a whiny bitch this whole time
last parcel
bro missed 1000 lines of cadia
wanton dawn
Technically a she
last parcel
ah, miss missing voiceline
clear whale
tame lodge
Technically a she
Ha, bugged VO
At least it was
The only character I wanted to change gives me the error
jaunty tinsel
Do weakspot hits have a higher crit chance?
wanton dawn
no
tall torrent
Do weakspot hits have a higher crit chance?
Weakspot & crit hits are fairly separated
Unless you have blessings that make them interact
Like Headhunter
jaunty tinsel
My current crit chance is 35% (+5% crit chance weapon perk, +5% crit chance trait, +25% crit chance Deadshot trait). I want to get higher to optimize my lasgun crit build. What options do i have?
Headhunter, Opening Salvo trait, and...
tall torrent
Headhunter itself is enough usually
Deadshot is ok for infantry lasgun but I don’t recommend it
Crit chance perk is also usually not as good as just +dmg perks
+flak for example is almost mandatory for infantry lasguns
crude fiber
My current crit chance is 35% (+5% crit chance weapon perk, +5% crit chance trai...
I believe you also have an innate 5% crit chance so you should have 40. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
jaunty tinsel
Deadshot is ok for infantry lasgun but I don’t recommend it
Why not?
I'm playing with a recon with Infernus and Shock Trooper, which is why I was trying to get my crit chance as high as possible
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Why not?
The DPS boost for isn’t high enough to be worth the stamina drain effect imo
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I'm playing with a recon with Infernus and Shock Trooper, which is why I was try...
In the case of recon, it drains stamina really fast from deadshot
A bit too fast for my liking
old quail
bolter is ammo hungry af now lol
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Recon just isn’t in a great place rn
crude fiber
Just run +9stam
jaunty tinsel
I don't have a good base lasgun otherwise I'd be experimenting with it.
crude fiber
bolter is ammo hungry af now lol
What's the penance score lookin like
old quail
crude fiber
Do you need to complete every penance for 4500? Or is there some leeway
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Do you need to complete every penance for 4500? Or is there some leeway
No, yes
old quail
max is ~4800
crude fiber
2500 barrel kill softlock
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Max is 4835
old quail
so some of the absurdly grindy ones u dont need to
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U can afford to skip 335 points
old quail
i have every class done but vet
jaunty tinsel
Just run +9stam <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
how do you get +9 stam?
crude fiber
how do you get +9 stam?
3 +3 Stam curios
old quail
the krak and marksman's focus one don't sound v fun
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the krak and marksman's focus one don't sound v fun
Throw krak into bruisers, crab walk melee
thorn lark
Just abuse frag grenades
crude fiber
how do you get +9 stam?
Not an actual recommendation unless you are very confident at the game
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Just abuse frag grenades
Penance needs krak kills on armored enemies
crude fiber
Ogryns looked tedious at a glance. Are they not that bad?
crude fiber
the krak and marksman's focus one don't sound v fun
Lawbringer special spam into hoards is hiw I did it
old quail
Ogryns looked tedious at a glance. Are they not that bad?
very
the FNP one is the fastest
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Ogryns looked tedious at a glance. Are they not that bad?
Not nearly as bad as veteran
old quail
heavy hitter/lucky bullet both annoying
tame lodge
One is about guns, the other is from taunt, another from just standing around teammates
old quail
i did the immo nade, chorus, and beacon of purity ones for zealot at the same time and that was by far the worst because i felt mostly useless
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i did the immo nade, chorus, and beacon of purity ones for zealot at the same ti...
Stealth + loner backstab was horrible
old quail
Stealth + loner backstab was horrible
ranged only maelstrom
i also just don't vibe with immo nades or chorus, like i hate the gameplay
i really missed tknives
thorn lark
Penance needs krak kills on armored enemies
For Marksman I mean
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ranged only maelstrom
It wasn’t there when I was on
old quail
stealth felt more bearable because i didnt feel as slow
jaunty tinsel
for the focus target one, do you have to kill the thing you point at or does it just have to die
crude fiber
I didnt mind the loner backstabs cause you could run up and push them and dodge behind to kill them
terse idol
For Marksman I mean
That one's not nad
old quail
the fact that scab stalkers (dunno about dregs) didn't count for the ranged backstab penance was so annoying
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the fact that scab stalkers (dunno about dregs) didn't count for the ranged back...
If they have their melee weapons out, they don’t count as “ranged enemy”
thorn lark
You can probably abuse flechette and man stopper right?
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So u can’t backstab stalkers unless ur stealth
tame lodge
So shooters?
crude fiber
You can probably abuse flechette and man stopper right?
I recommend man stopper and scattershot for more crits
Unless your also doing weapon specialist for guaranteed crits
tame lodge
Ok, was afraid when the shooters change stance they "become" melee
dreamy lantern
the krak and marksman's focus one don't sound v fun
MF is fine, u have 6 second grace now
you are basically always at 15 stacks
terse idol
The krak one is painfuk
woeful galleon
The krak one is painfuk
Been doing it every couple of days since the update and still about halfway
terse idol
But uh, it is one of those long term penances
faint beacon
Krak grenades penance is a slog
terse idol
You proobably don't want to burn yourself out for krak kills only
faint beacon
I’m at 427/500
terse idol
Oh that's poggere
faint beacon
It’s been 3 days of non-stop krak usage
faint beacon
Shark
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I’m at 427/500
Throw krak into scab shooter groups
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Throw krak into scab shooter groups
Yeah I took notice to it it’s just
I keep getting very
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The best progress is from using it exactly how it’s not meant to be used
faint beacon
Unlucky
With people
Killing them before it actually explodes
Look at least it’s nearly over
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Use a knife to run ahead of people
faint beacon
That’s the good news
terse idol
The best progress is from using it exactly how it’s not meant to be used
You'd think FS would learn not to make these
limber lance
starting up a vet helbore mk1 damnation run if anyone is interested, bayonet charge go brrr
terse idol
But I guess they weren't expecting people to like
Farm it
I guess they didn't also have a cosmetic for it so it's better
last parcel
just play aurics and you'll have enough crushers to chuck it at
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You'd think FS would learn not to make these
at least I finished veteran & zealot alrdy so the worst is behind me now
Psyker and Ogryn gonna be chill
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I mean you’re technically not off if we’re stretching cause we both have scales just im a fish
thick needle
Plasma gun users, how do I make this peak
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Worst case scenario psyker shield dmg absorption and enemies killed when smited are gonna be boring
faint beacon
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> at least I finished veteran & zealot alrdy so ...
Saving Zealot for dead last
How bad is Zealot lmao
terse idol
Plasma gun users, how do I make this peak
Glory hunter to blaze it, stamina to mana
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Plasma gun users, how do I make this peak
Change both perks, elite + flak
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Gloryhunter is good
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How bad is Zealot lmao
Let’s just say that you’re gonna hate people who try to be good teammates and follow u around
faint beacon
That’s
thick needle
Oh yeah I'm only doing veteran for a reason
thick needle
Veteran is like only penitent that you can complete without a full premade team backing you up
faint beacon
I feel like that’s the same with Ogryn
Though I realize I have to borderline be useless
Talentless Ogryn
For the Grenade box ones
thick needle
Though I realize I have to borderline be useless
That's how I got On Overwatch lmao
God that's a funny sentence out of context
faint beacon
Though to be fair a good chunk of starter talents before grenades are good
Like really good
On Ogryn
Just I can’t invest into anything beyond grenades for the Corrupter kills
grizzled pebble
I did it in solo private game with mod.
So just whack at infinite horde until my finger went numb.
thick needle
Grinding every day
faint beacon
Grinding every day
Pick up a knife as your melee
thick needle
Never
terse idol
At 10 focus
To be fair it's not thaat bad
faint beacon
Never went below 10 stacks and got it done in 2 days
thick needle
Isn't there a toggle crouch option
faint beacon
Yeah I just fucking insisted on holding it lmao