I knew about unyielding from slamming it into plogryns/burgles/chaos spawn but the flak thing I wasn't aware of
#veteran-class
somber axle
gotta remember to throw it at flak ragers more often to get more progress on the krak penance
also hey wanna see something completely impractical?
I decided to check what laspistol would look like with rend stacking from Marksman's Focus + Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes with Exe Stance, For the Emperor, Marksman, The Bigger They Are, Precision Strikes, Superiority Complex and Deadshot
it's not good but it is funny to know laspistol is very bad at this and not worth trying for crusher killing
love the laspistol because she does everything else so well and so fun
idle swallow
I hear whispers of people doing a mk3 helbore build that one shots crushers and that sounds right up my alley, is it just damage stacking everything with exe stance?
somber axle
I hear whispers of people doing a mk3 helbore build that one shots crushers and ...
yes lemme find the thing
HERE YOU GO
I can share my talent tree for it too in a moment
vague smelt
Love me Reccon/Power Sword
idle swallow
Hmm and I don't even need the 8 stack focus target talent for these, that's good
idle swallow
I can share my talent tree for it too in a moment
Yea hit me with it
barrett 50. Cal helbore go brrrrr
somber axle
I use smokes and fire team but you don't need fire team to hit the 1HKO breakpoint
and choice of grenade is a personal preference
you can run shredder or krak if you prefer
just shift the points over to them instead on the way down
the Mk III that I used for reference
idle swallow
Id probably do shredder if my helbore is armor kill focused but yeah I can see the tree has options up top
cool this helps a lot thank ya kindly
tall torrent
I hear whispers of people doing a mk3 helbore build that one shots crushers and ...
Yes
It only lasts when exe stance is active
somber axle
Hmm and I don't even need the 8 stack focus target talent for these, that's good
I should probably swap the point off 8 stack Focus Target tbh and move it over to something else
somber axle
Yes
It only lasts when exe stance is active
this is true and why I run Exe Stance with Counter-Fire + Relentless
refresh duration on crusher killing by pausing to kill a shooter
return to firing on crushers
idle swallow
I think the only time I've ever ran 8 stack focus target is Karnak twins tbh
somber axle
8 stack Focus Target could be really funny with my Recon build using Target Down for stam regen per focus target stack on killed target
the extra 3 stacks would mean an extra 15% toughness and stam regen on top of the 25% in each you get for the first 5 stacks
40% stam back
if only I could find the point from anywhere to shift over
idle swallow
this is true and why I run Exe Stance with Counter-Fire + Relentless
You think it's worth it for that over ogryn target highlight?
somber axle
You think it's worth it for that over ogryn target highlight?
if you're taking it exclusively for crusher killing yeah
though tbh exe stance is probably unnecessary for anything else with a Mk III
you can one tap non-elite shooter heads with tap fires
don't even need a charged shot
so really it's just helping show you where the non-elite shooters are
and now I'm doing what you just thought of thanks
hate crushers
kill crushers
you'll also get 1HKO crit headshots on Reapers without needing Exe Stance on
and with surgical on the Mk III (especially if you're like me and double up on Deadshot to maximize Shock Trooper gains) that's basically a crit every single time unless you go to fire too soon
that's also without Focus Target on the Reaper btw
idle swallow
Just need a bit better rolled mk3 and I can get the ball rolling
somber axle
testing it now in the Psykanium and it 1HKOs every single elite/special other than Maulers/Muties but if you hit Exe Stance you also get 1HKO potential on crit headshots on them too while Marksman and For the Emperor buffs are active with Exe Stance
with shock trooper it ends up extra funny because everytime you crit you're shooting for free too LOL
Mk III (maybe just all the Helbores tbh) are probably the only ammo positive guns left in the game after the Surv Aura nerf
idle swallow
Shock trooper and surgical helbores, just an easy infinite ammo cheat
somber axle
outshoot plasma/bolter/revolver/shotgun users and need a fraction of their ammo
in that you need like almost no ammo
LOL
your weapon swap speed is also probably still better with the Mk III than the Boltgun honestly
idle swallow
Boltgun after the survivalist nerf makes me sadder, already was struggling enough
somber axle
Boltgun probably needs a touch up more than the Recons after the Surv Aura nerf tbh
well ok more than most of the Recons
Mk II could definitely do with a fix
MK VIIa is good and Mk VId is good if you're a clown like me
frank cove
Thanks, that’s perfect. Poorly phrased question on my part; that is what I was looking for!
somber axle
Welcomes! But thank numbers cat. They made the guide, I just point the way to their work whenever it can help 😄
hollow ibex
Boltgun after the survivalist nerf makes me sadder, already was struggling enoug...
3 shots to break bulwark shield now
timid otter
Collateral very bad stat now.
idle swallow
3 shots to break bulwark shield now
as soon as I shot a bulwark shield after the nerf and they didn't stagger I knew it was joever
somber axle
3 shots to break bulwark shield now
you can do it in 2 shots with Exe Stance if you run a Boltgun with ok Collateral stat but idk what the threshold for that is
I think someone said it will take up to 6 otherwise
which is nuts
just don't even shoot at bulwark shields with boltgun anymore tbh
sturdy crow
6 is like half the mag??
somber axle
yeah if you have a Boltgun with low collateral (since a lot of people viewed it as a dump stat) it'll take more shots
oh wait LMFAO nevermind
lemme share
still takes SIX SHOTS to open a Bulwark shield without Exe Stance using a Boltgun with perfect 80% Collateral
will share a vid in a sec when I can record it
golden mirage
why does fatshark hate vet 
gilded wraith
Will the agripinaa slug still open with 1?
golden mirage
legit only nerfs since the game released
last parcel
Will the agripinaa slug still open with 1?
yes
gilded wraith
That's something I guess
somber axle
ok this is weird I'm doing lots of testing and sometimes it opens with 5 using my perfect 80% Collateral Boltgun
still if an 80% collateral boltgun is only SOMETIMES able to do 1 less shot to open a bulwark shield
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it opened in 4 with 80 for me last we tested
somber axle
it's not worth shooting bulwark shields with the boltgun
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i’ll have to look again
last parcel
maybe a talent tree thing
tiny summit
I think 1 shot should make them stumble to the ground. Not full open up but them falling to their ass should be enough as my personal call for balance
somber axle
maybe a talent tree thing
it might be yeah but I wonder what could be providing the extra impact on shots from the tree?
last parcel
it might be yeah but I wonder what could be providing the extra impact on shots ...
no idea
gilded wraith
Are there any builds associated with the veteran guide pdf?
last parcel
Are there any builds associated with the veteran guide pdf?
when he next updates it, it will have builds
somber axle
Fatshark is so good at sneaking in hidden stat modifiers to things and then never telling anyone
gilded wraith
when he next updates it, it will have builds
Wonderful, thank you.
tiny summit
Only build you need
somber axle
Will the agripinaa slug still open with 1?
oh also recorded this for you
I know they answered it but wanted to show in case anyone else was curious
Agrip Shotgun slug pops them open in one tap
hollow ibex
Now we just need revolver to pop them open in one shot to really put the final nail in the bolter coffin
gilded wraith
Agrip Shotgun slug pops them open in one tap
I want to try a slug focused build some day.
broken spade
Anyone happen to know what important breakpoints a perfect rashad should be able to reach?
somber axle
I want to try a slug focused build some day.
It's a VERY fun way to play the game. I've got one and it makes the gun feel like a bolt action rifle most times when you one-tap heads. You can even reliably damage Crushers with slugs and it staggers them onto their ass. Very effective Ogryn bullying gun
oh btw
I tested something else
frank monolith
still takes _**SIX SHOTS**_ to open a Bulwark shield without Exe Stance using a ...
didnt it use to take 2 bullets to open em up
last parcel
Anyone happen to know what important breakpoints a perfect rashad should be able...
one light headshot to kill dreg and scab bruisers
last parcel
didnt it use to take 2 bullets to open em up
one with like 60 collateral
somber axle
Falter, the blessing on Helbores that gives it 90% stagger resistance on weak spot hit, does NOT actually stagger Crushers on head shots even with the hidden Exe Stance impact buff
Falter forever useless
broken spade
alright thanks
somber axle
somber axle
didnt it use to take 2 bullets to open em up
Without Executioner's Stance: 5-6 shots
With Executioner's Stance: 2 shots
for reference on the Mk III Falter thing
I had rank IV Falter for 90% stagger resistance and put three shots into a Crusher's head without Exe stance while using a build to do less damage to let it live long enough to try it
it did not budge
with Exe Stance it didn't move either and died in less shots
Falter literally useless still
somber axle
light a candle for Falter
might actually be bugged and not functioning but no one uses it LMFAO
so no one will ever figure it out to tell Fatshark to look at it
hearty panther
no it works
same way that fan the flames works for zealot
it is, indeed, reducing their stagger resistence by X%
somber axle
is even 90% stagger resistance just that bad then?
hearty panther
the issue is that you dont actually get any new stagger breakpoints
somber axle
ah ok
hearty panther
like if you stagger for 10, and you need 20 to make the guy fall over
you still arent gonna do 20
its not increasing your stagger (which is called Impact btw)
its reducing their stagger resistence which is a whole other hodgepodge of numbers i dont super care about
somber axle
that's fair
hearty panther
and yea is rarely relevant anyway
somber axle
suppression >>> stagger always
hearty panther
i think it might have application wit the MGIV infantry las because of repeated quick headshots but
yknow, youre shooting them in the fukken head
why not just add on headshot damage instead
somber axle
yeah exactly
hearty panther
Falter already sucks because it doesnt work ,but worse than that, deadly accurate exists
somber axle
no reason not to run Headhunter/Deadly Accurate or Headhunter/Ghost on Infantry Lasguns
hearty panther
and is a much better value proposition for your headshots
if you made falter
+50/100% impact (or something, the numbers are hypothetical)
no prerequisite for headshots or anything
somber axle
if Hadron handed you an infantry lasgun with falter, poxwalkers/groaners, infested and sustained fire then you're literally
somber axle
somber axle
didnt it use to take 2 bullets to open em up
OH WAIT SORRY I'm illiterate sometimes thanks for understanding
I reread this and pre-update I'm 90% sure Boltgun could open Bulwark shields with a single shot
every single time
without Executioner's Stance's hidden impact buff
last parcel
yes
you just needed high collateral
it was probably somewhere in the 50s but i forgot the exact amount
so i just went with 60
timid otter
52
somber axle
it opened in 4 with 80 for me last we tested
I figured it out
Marksman's Focus gives Ranged Finesse Power and at 10 stacks it pops the shield open in 4 shots without Executioner's Stance (I assume these are hidden crits triggering despite 0 damage against the shield)
you probably do not need the full 10 stacks either
unfortunately even with 10 stacks it still takes 2 shots to pop open a Bulwark shield with Marksman's Focus
somber axle
as one last test
grand perch
post surv nerf, im going to shoot shields to open them up even less
somber axle
15 stack Marksman's Focus still isn't enough when paired with Executioner's Stance and an 80% Collateral Boltgun to pop open a Bulwark shield in 1 hit
but it's tricky to test this because I can't tell if a shot is critting or not on the shield
so it's really just Deadshot + stam and wondering if it's critting or not
after a lot more testing I cannot find a way to get a 1 shot bulwark shield pop on Bulwarks with Boltgun so maybe it really is only the Agripina Shotgun special action slug shot that can do it now
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oh wait i forgot pinning fire gave power
somber axle
hmmm
I wonder if firing into poxwalkers to get the pinning fire power buff + 15 stack marksman's focus + exe stance impact buff + 80% collateral stat might be able to just barely hit whatever the threshold is for 1 shot shield pop
hearty panther
just one shot into the pile of specials to the right will stack you up
last parcel
still needed 2 but mine is 72 collat
fair river
oh wait i forgot pinning fire gave power
Good god that’s a railgun
last parcel
yeah
somber axle
DOCTOR UBERCHARGE ME WE NEED TO OPEN THE BULWARK SHIELD
somber axle
LOL
WE DID IT
AT LAST
gimme a sec to let the video load up from gyazo replay
I'll share
last parcel
lol same
somber axle
15 stacks of Marksman's Focus, Pinning Fire 5 stacks, Executioner's Stance and a Combat stim
but it IS still possible to pop a bulwark shield in one hit
realistic or practical?? no
somber axle
looks like the Marksman's Focus ranged finesse power is unnecessary at least LMFAO
hollow ibex
Fix the underperforming weapons and bring some of the clearly overperforming weapons back in line
somber axle
I will say
you DO need pinning fire stacks
you cannot do this simply by hitting combat stim + exe stance alone
it will still require 2 shots
at minimum you need some number of pinning fire stacks + combat stim + exe stance to pop a bulwark shield in 1 shot now
slow spade
Play on Sedition so you don't need that much buffs 😎
last parcel
at minimum you need some number of pinning fire stacks + combat stim + exe stanc...
plus some collat >72. i went back to test it on that one
somber axle
yeah that too
collateral stat needs to be high to even attempt this
but if you ever somehow run into a patrol of 3-4 bulwarks with trash around them you could possibly hit combat stim and exe stance before going full auto knowing that maybe some of those shots are opening shields with 1 shot instead of eating 2
less likely after the update reduced their spawns but yeah
weird hyper niche scenarios
radiant chasm
damn, fatshark was noticing people dumping collat to 60~ish for bulwarks and made it prio now
last parcel
plus some collat >72. i went back to test it on that one
it's 75 for the funny
somber axle
this is some incredibly specific info and now if some new player ever shows up asking if we can open bulwark shields with 1 shot still
we can say yes
and then lead them down the rabbit's hole into wonderland on this circus act
last parcel
the good ole technically correct but practically useless info
somber axle
my fav info
somber axle
hollow turtle
I can't remember who told me that one of the scopes on the extended extended weapons customization mod was something of an x3, but I gotta say, its been a game changer. The amount of headshots I can pull with just an IA. Marksman Focus is always up, teammates barely see me fire, ammo never dips below 50% even w/o survivalist, and I still have the highest Elite kills by end of match.
All that weakspot damage stacked with all the bonus damage induced by talents/nodes. I'm one shotting all the gunners before team even sees them.
candid agate
is it just me or is sefoni nicer to me whenever i go into the psykanium
somber axle
I just realised one last funny thing about the Boltgun 1 shot Bulwark stagger
you need pinning fire stacks which means at bare minimum even with combat stim + executioner's stance you have to fire at least 1 other shot into a crowd to AoE stagger them and get pinning fire stacks before shooting a Bulwark shield to pop it open with 1 shot
meaning at bare minimum after all this testing and math and buffing the weapon in every way we could find
it still needs to fire 2 shots minimum to open a Bulwark shield
idle swallow
meaning at bare minimum after all this testing and math and buffing the weapon i...
What if you toss a frag and then draw the bolter to get the pinning stacks that way
somber axle
I can test that to see if it works in a second
I stepped away from my computer but I will be back
somber axle
Kraks!!
idle swallow
Is it crab walking for marksman focus
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fast sundial
crabwalk era is already done
idle swallow
Scab only melee maelstrom and all the grenade perks then
somber axle
What if you toss a frag and then draw the bolter to get the pinning stacks that ...
throwing a frag before drawing boltgun doesn't seem to give pinning fire stacks as far as I can tell in the Psykanium
idle swallow
The one shot bulwark break is dead, long live the bolter
hollow turtle
How does bolter stack against anything outside the bulwark? I'd really like to use it again, and if I have to take krak or shredder to just open a bulwark up, I can live with that.
somber axle
Boltgun shots explode on impact and the radius is large but it does very little damage. The explosion does have high impact and will stagger most things it hits though
So like it's still very good imo
But it has one of the worst ammo economies in the game after the survival aura nerf
I still use it in Damnation matches and it's still a very fun gun
Still strong even if it is outclassed by other weapons
You also don't need a grenade to open a Bulwark
just let it get close, bait out the melee, dodge and then blast it in the face while it's busy swinging the mace
hollow turtle
Someone said to use it like an explosive DMR now. That accurate?
somber axle
or just shoot it in the back if it aggros onto another squadmate
Yeah that's accurate
grand perch
https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212
hollow turtle
Great. I'll turn that thing into an exitus sniper rifle.
somber axle
you really do not want to go full auto unless you see 4 Crushers you want to delete or you feel like being spicy and magdumping into a Burgle back/Plogryn head/Chaos Spawn face and are confident with keeping your crosshairs on target despite how jumpy the recoil is during full auto
Aiming down sights is 1 shot, hip fire is 2 shot burst, click and hold is full auto
burst fire is sometimes good for killing ragers
hollow turtle
going to have to try this tonight.
somber axle
it is a very fun gun and probably feels the most impactful of any gun imo
it's just not as strong as some other meta picks
still VERY strong though
but watch your ammo counter
hollow turtle
My main concern is how long it takes to swap to it.
somber axle
you can use it with Executioner's Stance for faster swap speed
lemme show
you can compare swap speed into aim down sights and firing normally vs the speed of Executioner's Stance into aiming and firing
but then I understand if you prefer Voice of Command or Infiltrate tbh
it just makes the Boltgun feel slightly better in emergency situations when you need to shoot RIGHT NOW
and also helps with getting more consistent one tap kills on targets
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radiant chasm
quality
silent nest
i feel called out...
frank ether
lmao perfect
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i feel called out...
silent nest
too accurate
bitter turtle
My main concern is how long it takes to swap to it.
There is tech to near instant swap
Also it was me about the scopes
You're welcome >:(
bitter turtle
I don't know how practical it really is
Outside of zealot knife
Sounds annoying to keep in mind
Leaving one round empty always I mean
somber axle
the whole "reload, cancel reload with sprint, shoot" sounds like a lot of effort to shave off a tiny bit of time
odd sparrow
bolter swap time is 2.5 second so its a lot of time you can shave with this trick, it is a bit hard to keep in mind but definitely worth the effort
somber axle
if I were a Boltgun main I would commit this to heart but I am a Recon Reclown main so this useful info will fade as soon as I resume breakdancing in front of Wolfer's men
somber axle
yes exactly
hearty panther
i mean to be clear, it isnt something i discovered and mastered in just one game lul
the idea came to me, i saw it worked, i practiced the feel of it for maybe 5-10min and listened for soundcues
in the Psykhanium
and then repeated moments of fucking it up ingame followed
until i got it down pretty reliably
hypothetically if you were only using xstance or throwing knives for bolter draw
then you could use something else instead, knowing this
but really its just handy tech in your back pocket
and youll look unbelievably cool switching to and from your bolter repeatedly while you clutch 😎
"his hands are so fast, and he's so handsome," they'll definitely say
somber axle
yeah I'll probably stick to Exe Stance since I'm using it 90% of the time on most of my builds lately anyway and Exe Stance Boltgun swap is brainless comparably but this is very neat info and someone looking for a way to bypass the swap speed using mechanical skill will love this
frank monolith
the whole "reload, cancel reload with sprint, shoot" sounds like a lot of effort...
ive trained my brain to have the reload tech -timing down on the plasma gun 
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idle swallow
somber axle
and youll look unbelievably cool switching to and from your bolter repeatedly wh...
look cool?? I want to look like THIS:
idle swallow
somber axle
I'd rather people look over and wonder what the fuck I'm doing
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crabwalkers trying to farm the MF penance:
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i said motherfuckin penance
tame lodge
Extra hilarious considering that I used to have a zealot named Goro Majima
Then I deleted it
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supple stag
Shame
supple stag
Knife moment
idle swallow
Then I deleted it
faint beacon
Looks out of veteran chat for two seconds and comes back to Majima posting
idle swallow
vernal harbor
https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-tenor-gif-yakuza-gif-search-gif-24953030
real
yakuza memes mirror the games insanity
1:1
damn near canon
idle swallow
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tame lodge
I just didn't feel like sticking to the bit, only knives, swords, Crusher, flamer, shotguns, revolvers, throwing knife or stun grenades allowed
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vernal harbor
everyone I see porn i get heated, cut that shit out right now.
act right.
hooligans.
what if grendyl has just been playing yakuza 0 trying to 100% it this whole time
that’s why we don’t see them
busy workin
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grendyl trying to max out his circuit racing
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vague smelt
If you inspect poses the weapons bug and show the current weapon you have equipped
somber axle
it works on two-handed weapons
if you have a laspistol it defaults to the normal rifle
vernal harbor
grendyl please don’t do this you can’t just leave
last parcel
fuck now i need to listen to it again
idle swallow
vernal harbor
y’all need to get on that cyberpunk playlist while your maelstrom deep in carapace ass
vernal harbor
<:Suffering:1212539646467252294>
so bad it might actually heal the heretics, useless.
untold mulch
perk change I guess?
vernal harbor
Hadron, fists clenched as a reject with a head dent asks her to modify his shovel
vague smelt
For Uncanny
vague smelt
I mean I have
bitter turtle
to try to oneshot crusher
vague smelt
all the good IVs
vague smelt
Or..
vague smelt
Keep 25% flak
bitter turtle
its useless on 7
vague smelt
and then swap Skull for Uncanny
bitter turtle
well
again
my choices would be
unarmored -> carapace
skullcrusher -> uncanny
try to do the crusher oneshot
but idk about thrust III
if you can still do it
thrust III vs IV is a fairly big difference
relative to other blessing III vs IV
vague smelt
try to do the crusher oneshot
bitter turtle
is that with 20% ogryn damage?
vague smelt
No mele talents
bitter turtle
ah
then yeah
you should be able to i think
i mean
if you want to be absolutely sure
loadout mod
test your shovel with carapace on it
but yeah
wise fossil
Krak grenade spam build for the scab only maelstrom. I think this is how I'll grind that penance
bitter turtle
Krak grenade spam build for the scab only maelstrom. I think this is how I'll gr...
might as well drop CQKZ or recip for the ammo box nades
and grenadier
more nade
wise fossil
might as well drop CQKZ or recip for the ammo box nades
That maelstrom has no ammo drops, right?
bitter turtle
you said scab only
wise fossil
Granadier might be worth
bitter turtle
not no ammo pickup
vague smelt
Huh I am not sure...
tame lodge
There's no ammo scab only
vague smelt
There's no ammo scab only
yes
depends the condition
there's scab or scab mele only
tame lodge
Yup yup
bitter turtle
i know, im just saying its hard to assume you mean no ammo mael if you say scab only
there is monstrous scab only
bitter turtle
and primarily ranged scab only iirc
wise fossil
Clearly me
untold mulch
Grenadier build still goated
tame lodge
Yup yup
vague smelt
@bitter turtle what is the name of the mod?
bitter turtle
loadout mod
thorny cobalt
did this entire mission while crouched and refusing to set my crouch to toggle
my pinky hurts
bitter turtle
its in the modding discord
hollow turtle
did this entire mission while crouched and refusing to set my crouch to toggle
Lol wtf.
brisk oxide
it's crazy when you get a malice player in an auric maelstrom mission
just had one and it's like, surely you can tell you're not supposed to be here
hollow turtle
You're welcome >:(
Lol you say that like I can remember and type your name to tag you on a regular QWERTY keyboard, JUNE.
last parcel
sounds like skill issue
hollow turtle
sounds like skill issue
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watashi wa penisu o shaburu no ga daisukidesu
somber axle
just had one and it's like, surely you can tell you're not supposed to be here
they probably know, it's just that they want the penance points for their cosmetics and they're desperately hoping to be carried to a win
"pls carry me 🥺" wearing cinderblock shoes and a backpack full of rocks
brisk oxide
it's crazy. once you realize what's going on you have to stop reviving them so that they don't distract your teammates
somber axle
when I find a player who is pushing difficulty they're not ready for I turn it into an escort mission
I will protect them at all costs as my own personal additional mission modifier
makes the game more funny and chaotic
cut off the infected arm or purposely fight by putting your weapon in that hand and continue going into battle
midnight mortar
Maelstroms can be chaotic enough as it is already.
somber axle
yeah I'm not doing this in auric maelstrom
but I'm also not doing auric maelstrom tbh
I'm mainly a Damnation player and sometimes dip into Auric Damnation
I've completed Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet
it's too chaotic for me LOL
vale ledge
There’s no way I’m doing the maelstrom penances
somber axle
for just general fun I run casual standard Damnation
just because I can finish out an Auric Damnation HiSTG doesn't mean I want to do it
tame lodge
it's crazy when you get a malice player in an auric maelstrom mission
I do understand the frustration and I do understand the excitement from extra challenge
somber axle
but kudos to people who do that and Auric Maelstrom casually
hollow ibex
it's too chaotic for me LOL
Part of the fun tbh
I find damnation too boring sometimes
somber axle
Honestly yeah but standard Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet is already my level of perfect chaos
hollow ibex
Zoomer brain demands stimulation
somber axle
I'm too mentally and physically dead after work
If I was in college or high school I'd live in Auric
elder fiber
yeah thats fair
somber axle
Having to be an adult and do work is draining
tame lodge
Cheers, I'll take a rest for that
hollow ibex
Normally I prefer chill stuff after work too, but ig darktide hits just right for me
vernal harbor
Auric maelstrom for no other reason than it removes me from the pool of players who shouldn’t be playing video games
brisk oxide
even auric maelstrom has some easy missions though
the one i just did was very very easy, moreso than some difficulty 4 ones ive done
vernal harbor
The difficulty is like 20% the difficulty level and 80% your teammates
frank monolith
wait i swear
daemon host dissapear on their own
if your the last one standing
or am i bugging
somber axle
Normally I prefer chill stuff after work too, but ig darktide hits just right fo...
Honestly same, I'm just not at the skill level were after work I can just fall into Auric quickplay, end up in a High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet and not be a liability to whatever team I'm in. NON-Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet I can fall into right as I get home as my first match and carry even if the rest of the team is spending too much time on their knees
The same part of my brain that loves Risk of Rain 2 loves Darktide
tame lodge
or am i bugging
I believe not anymore since they changed it so it kills whoever aggro it
uncut haven
omnissiah bless me
hollow ibex
Honestly same, I'm just not at the skill level were after work I can just fall i...
Yah whatever works best for you
tame lodge
I believe not anymore since they changed it so it kills whoever aggro it
But you could before
brisk oxide
darktide i've found is actually a lot more fun the better you get at it
the gameplay is quite deep
brisk oxide
and it's like each time you learn a thing that improves your gameplay it's like you're "leveling up"
someone told me recently the power sword still has two charges left after you do a push stab, which i felt stupid for not realizing, but now i kill crushers and maulers like it's nothing
somber axle
like sure in Risk of Rain 2 I can stack mostly gasoline and ignition tank so literally anything dying will kill everything else on the map instantly
OR
go all in on fireworks
stack it as high as possible
somber axle
grab soda machine
spam use soda machine
watch firework spam release into the atmosphere and auto-track everything to death
junior needle
Honestly same, I'm just not at the skill level were after work I can just fall i...
NON-Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet
There's no difference between a d5 histg on the regular board and the auric board
somber axle
cause the game to stutter and crash
junior needle
They are exactly the same thing
tall torrent
> NON-Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet
There's no differenc...
Some people say auric hiSTG is different than regular hiSTG but I legit cannot tell a difference
hearty panther
except non30s can join the nonauric
somber axle
> NON-Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet
There's no differenc...
is there really not? maybe it's just placebo effect for me because every time I enter Auric and get a HiSTG I get nervous vs when I get a non-Auric HiSTG I'm like "YEAH BABY LET'S GO FULL CLOWN MODE ENGAGE"
hearty panther
and thats exciting
white minnow
auric has a tension modifier where periods of spawns last longer
\
white minnow
i don't think there was a difference when auric was first released but it changed with some patch that i forgor
somber axle
deadshot is good depending on the weapon/talent build set up
dusk jacinth
deadshot is good depending on the weapon/talent build set up
buckshot shotgun
dusk jacinth
Lawbringer or Kantrael?
lawbringer i think
somber axle
I know Agripina is Slug
junior needle
didnt they nerf it
Buffed it actually, no longer a % but it really depends on your gun and setup
somber axle
then yeah it's fine I think plus extra funny for critting on your special wide horizontal attack with the Lawbringer if you have the Manstopper blessing
just evaporate hordes LMFAO
I made a Lawbringer with Scattershot + Manstopper just as my funny "I do not want to fight poxwalker hordes anymore" gun
tame lodge
My purge the unclean zealot
brisk oxide
twinned blast is unfortunately so bad
tame lodge
Which grenade though
dusk jacinth
the 5% regen node is insane though
using that with the +50 aura
expect it to subsume the other grenade abilties
brisk oxide
that's cool tech but i minmax too much to want to take that node
if youre speccing heavy into grenades then maybe it's value
but imo frag is the only grenade worth speccing heavy into
tiny summit
the 5% regen node is insane though
I'm here with tinkerer, stockpile, demo team, twinned blast on frags
hollow ibex
but imo frag is the only grenade worth speccing heavy into
Yah frag spam meme build works surprisingly well
tiny summit
Vet always had a keystone 
brisk oxide
i was hitting those 5 frag auric missions and it was going crazy
somber axle
frag is most versatile but tbh the other grenades are both crazy good for someone who knows all the nuances to their use
a master with smokes will save missions
brisk oxide
i like smokes but i'm also a smoke hater
hollow ibex
Tried smoked and ngl still don’t like them
somber axle
krak grenades for dealing with crusher/mauler trains or stun staggering bosses + blowing off a chunk of boss HP are solid too
bitter turtle
the 5% regen node is insane though
i dont know if i'd call it underrated
its taken quite a lot if you have a spare point
its only "outshone" by demo stockpile which is even more reliable
and basically mandatory on any serious build
somber axle
if you've got a build that takes care of anti-special, anti-elite, anti-horde but struggles on boss/anti-armour then krak fills that hole in the build
brisk oxide
i dunno i just havent seen anyone run it that i know of
fresh jungle
demo stockpile also has better pathing imo
bitter turtle
both of them have great pathing
brisk oxide
i'm a plasma gun/power sword andy so my build doesn't have any holes really
bitter turtle
team is right after -6 second CDR so its 1 point no matter what
frankly team might have even better pathing
brisk oxide
so i go frag for more anti-everything
bitter turtle
stockpile has bad pathing if you dont wanna take VoC
hollow ibex
team is right after -6 second CDR so its 1 point no matter what
Yah and I’m always headed s down there for iron will anyway
tame lodge
a master with smokes will save missions
I wouldn't call myself a master but I do know where gunners are more likely to be on missions, I also spam them a lot
tiny summit
I only bother with stockpile on voc since it is right there
bitter turtle
i take team on builds i dont go voc since stockpile is too out of the way and infiltrate is already heavy on point taxes
dusk jacinth
catch a breath worth it?
tiny summit
I like it
People don't realize there's plenty of moments of no enemies in the radius and the constant regen will help against shooters.
tiny summit
I don't value the other one
last parcel
inside of you there are two wolves
somber axle
depends on the build but if I'm melee focused I value the stun +slow immunity/stam regen more than the toughness regen when no enemies are near
if you're always in the thick of it, the value is poor
hollow ibex
30 second cooldown on the other one is kinda oof
somber axle
if you're a backline ranged fighter you'll find a lot more value
it's ok tbh
30 sec CD is fine because if you need to proc it more than every 30 sec you have a lot more problems to look at
it's really good for emergency situations like a bunch of shotgunners sneaking in and suddenly turning into a firing line on your back
dusk jacinth
what curios should I have on vet
somber axle
what curios should I have on vet
2 toughness 1 hp
2 toughness 1 stam
1 toughness 1 hp 1 stam
take your pick
if you're new then you can swap out one of those for 1 wounds
it will help you until you no longer need the extra wounds
fresh jungle
so what I mean when I say I think demo stockpile has better pathing is that neither is out of the way, but specifically for VoC builds, demo stockpile gets you further down the tree toward your goals, while demo team doesn't get you further down the tree because it's across from iron will, which you're always taking
somber axle
if you want to be a deadshot stam stacking clown like me then you go all 3 curios into stam
don't be like me
little path
I go for revive on all characers even though I run auric missions because I hate the filter
tiny summit
Imo psyker and vet have too low base HP compared to Zealot and Ogryn to bother with HP curios
somber axle
Imo psyker and vet have too low base HP compared to Zealot and Ogryn to bother w...
that's very fair and I ignore HP curios but I've seen others like them
little path
also did melk always give profane weapons or is this a bug?
tiny summit
I have not known brain mush until I played martyrdom zealot with mk15 eviscerator
somber axle
Sniper does spillover so if they break your toughness they do 122.5 HP damage
if you have under that for total HP you die
instantly
little path
because I bought like 3 unknowns from him and he gave me 3 profanes
somber axle
having +21% HP and +5% HP on a single node lets you tank it
and survive with a sliver of HP left
brisk oxide
vet also has so much toughness stuff in its tree that +toughness is a lot more valuable
like every point of toughness above 75% is worth a lot more due to IW
tiny summit
Bonus toughness off every kill. Toughness DR above 75%. Toughness DR in coherency. 30% Toughness off any elite/special. Toughness and DR off every headshot kill.
Toughness. Vet Tough.
And there are people who still think vet is squishy
wise fossil
what curios should I have on vet
One +3 stamina is very convenient on vet. The class has the longest regen delay of all 4 classes (with the two nodes at the bottom of the tree to help a bit)
brisk oxide
i run +3 stam on every class
austere mica
Bonus toughness off every kill. Toughness DR above 75%. Toughness DR in coherenc...
And shout on top of all of that
wise fossil
I don't run stamina curio on Ogryn but even there it could be nice
sharp ember
i already liked Out for Blood and now it's even cozier, grazing toughness off hordes like a cow
tiny summit
You do you but questionable to use stam on ogryn
brisk oxide
why's that?
tame lodge
It's funny
tiny summit
Have you see how many bars he has?
wise fossil
Ogryn has the biggest stamina pool and the best regen
tame lodge
Just don't run with shield out
brisk oxide
yeah, he has less marginal benefit from it, i agree. but +3 is still a large increase
wise fossil
And extra toughness is so incredible on Ogryn
tiny summit
i already liked Out for Blood and now it's even cozier, grazing toughness off ho...
"Wahh they nerfed surv", and they for no reason just made the general Toughness regen even better
tiny summit
It actually made ammo drops during a mission actually matter now
sharp ember
5s cooldown is hardly a slap on a wrist, just no more infinite bolter ammo on dogtide condition which was silly
little path
I just wish they would buff the bolter's base reserve by like 10 bullets
wise fossil
Bolter does need some love for sure
tiny summit
Like it's nowhere near AS GOOD but like...it's still free ammo throughout a mission you're going to be killing a lot of elites/specials anyways. Inelegant solution but hey I guess it kinda works. To me it only slightly moves the balance to the other auras. Free ammo is free ammo
brisk oxide
playing on console i absolutely can't use the bolter. its recoil recovery is too weird and its sights are too bad
brisk oxide
with focus it's okay, otherwise it's just clunky af
wise fossil
I want survivalist to be a core gameplay mechanic like stamina (obviously changed and/or nerfed)
Every class has access to guns and several have ranged talents but no way to get ammo back
tiny summit
If they just made scavenger as it is now on every class through melee elite/special kills it would work
hollow ibex
Every class has access to guns and several have ranged talents but no way to get...
The real victims of the nerf lol
brisk oxide
would be cool if like gunker could use perils instead of ammo for its gun
maybe activate it with some ability
sharp ember
mind bullets
that's telekinesis, kyle
tiny summit
Played a no ammo maelstrom with zealot. Brought an agri brauto. We had no vet in the game. Saved my ammo for only snipers and bombers at range. Or a dog on teammate. Managed to only spend all my ammo at the finale because why not.
Mk15 with shred + perfect strike with blazing piety really cuts the CD on relic so much
Bloody Prayers
hasty osprey
thoughts on this plasma i rolled? i only have one thing left to change cus i got bad perks on em, but blessings seem okay
wise fossil
The real victims of the nerf lol
Gunker and the rare range focused zealot crying themselves to sleep fr fr
tiny summit
thoughts on this plasma i rolled? i only have one thing left to change cus i got...
Oof on your perks. Also how the plasma is balanced atm charge shots is just wasting ammo
wise fossil
Volatile does technically affect LMB, but it's so small a decrease that it's almost negligible
tiny summit
Unless volatile basically made my plasma an automatic it's worthless atm
Or say leaving dmg on the table. Plasma is plasma. Gets Hot I think is the only mando blessing it has atm. Blaze Away and Glory Hunter is pick your preference
hearty panther
Scriers EP BB gets u only one breakpoint and its scab ragers in one burst
unfortunate
somber axle
hey weird question
is there a Zealot penance for completing a mission under 20 minutes
somber axle
this looks like it would be really fun to do with friends
grab 1 Vet with movement aura and then speedrun
also thank you
I was checking the Zealot penances and found it shortly after you answered
junior needle
thoughts on this plasma i rolled? i only have one thing left to change cus i got...
Volatile bad, unfortunate stopping power, unfortunate perk
tall torrent
thoughts on this plasma i rolled? i only have one thing left to change cus i got...
SP too low unfortunately
Also volatile is bad
fresh jungle
thoughts on this plasma i rolled? i only have one thing left to change cus i got...
my thoughts are: bad stat spread; you want damage and stopping power, and this one has stopping power dumped. volatile (and the charge rate stat) is also a waste because of charge shots being very inefficient
tall torrent
this looks like it would be really fun to do with friends
It is very fun
U don’t need move speed aura
Bring knife vet + knife zealot
somber axle
It is very fun
U don’t need move speed aura
Bring knife vet + knife zealot
you don't need it but imagine the speed of a knife zealot with that extra 5%
I drool
brisk oxide
ugh just lost my streak again. i hate auric pubs
faint perch
i used to love E Stance, but now i cant play without Shout, its just to good
brisk oxide
surely melee enemies is such an easy modifier there's no way my team will get dumpstered in the first 5 minutes, right?
balmy flume
Hah.
Seen it happen dozens of times.
Everyone too gung ho, and forgetting that it means even more Crushers and Maulers.
tall torrent
you don't need it but imagine the speed of a knife zealot with that extra 5%
It’s fairly easy to get through Magistrati Oubliette under 20mins even with HiSTG
balmy flume
And Memlots triggering mobs all over the map without looking backwards.
somber axle
that sounds so fun
little path
i used to love E Stance, but now i cant play without Shout, its just to good
I still find E stance to be my favourite
somber axle
I wonder what the absolute max movement speed feels like
little path
mainly because I can't guarantee the pub will have dudes who... brought a gun
somber axle
it has to be a knife zealot for sure
brisk oxide
my teammate i brought in with me DCs in the first 3 minutes, some rando comes in and replaces before reconnect, everyone splits off and i get killed trying to bail them out
should just play like it's solo if nobody's on mic
little path
I've had games where it's zealots with flamers or other no range teammates
so it takes me like a minute of just shooting to clear out the shooters
somber axle
Zealot with Swift Celerity, Movement speed aura from Vet, Celerity stim
is there anything else that can buff movement speed?
balmy flume
Meanwhile I semi want to complain about the PuG system.
Server, please don’t spawn me into a no win situation when I am trying to do the “do not die/down” penances…
somber axle
(just checked and Celerity doesn't even buff movement speed according to the wiki but it reduces stam cost for sprinting so MORE FAST)
brisk oxide
yeah that's a nightmare
somber axle
Psyker is faster than Zealot? 
hearty panther
ye
brisk oxide
gunker is fast yeah
hearty panther
Mettle + Scrier mid node + DD
baseline of 35% ms and bursts of another 20%
movespeed node in tree, actually
40% baseline
somber axle
then add Vet 5% movement speed aura
they can't run for long
but they're fastest over short distances
somber axle
Disrupt Destiny Scrier's has felt very fast on my Gunker when I'm zooming around stabbing things with the Macabian Dueling Sword IV
I just never realised they were moving faster than my Zealot I guess
last parcel
but they're fastest over short distances
haha psyker go zoom
somber axle
LMFAO
crude fiber
does kantrael shotty special shell still have super high cleave?
little path
people use the shotty?
radiant chasm
people use the shotty?
all of them
radiant chasm
does kantrael shotty special shell still have super high cleave?
no it was toned down, still high but not the peak it was
somber axle
Yeah they're all good shotguns Bront
crude fiber
would you say i need man stopper if i was spamming it into hoards?
somber axle
No but it makes your horde clear ridiculous and tbh usually you don't want to blow ammo into poxwalkers
radiant chasm
would you say i need man stopper if i was spamming it into hoards?
ehh, lawbringer is better for that now
crude fiber
was using lawbringer with manstopper for the 2500 marksmen focus kills and it was fun but i want to try something else now
radiant chasm
manstopper+scattershot lawby is ridic
crude fiber
manstopper+scattershot lawby is ridic
can confirm
somber axle
It's just that one Manstopper crit round from a special shot horizontal fire Lawbringer evaporates the whole horde in front of you
radiant chasm
kanty is more for target deletion since it's has so many 2 special shot breakpoints at any range
somber axle
Doing Marksman's Focus kills with that sounds hilarious
crude fiber
so i would ideally have weapon specialist then for gauranteed crit then
somber axle
Yeah that's a very good combo for it
Guaranteed crit on swap
As long as you have the special shot pre-loaded then you're ready to just turn poxwalkers into mist
noble zinc
Kanty damage is very inconsistent. I've had it onetap crushers.
crude fiber
problem is i finished the weapon specialist penance so now itll feel like a waste of time using it 
radiant chasm
Kanty damage is very inconsistent. I've had it onetap crushers.
probably already was squished and you got a crit
i'm pretty base shots don't even hit cara without a crit
noble zinc
Nah I tested in psykanium
radiant chasm
Nah I tested in psykanium
vid?
crude fiber
uhh not that could anyway going for marksmen focus
noble zinc
Pretty sure it is a result of competetive urge.
radiant chasm
huh
crude fiber
can that proc solo?
noble zinc
You need most damage boosts tho
somber axle
Idk if you can trigger competitive urge unless you mod in like bots and make them fire on specials
In the Psykanium
crude fiber
maybe a crit weakspot with litearlly every damage node could do it on a prefect katrael built for crusher damage
noble zinc
I don't see what else it could've been
somber axle
I built Recon for Crusher killing so I don't doubt it's possible tbh LOL
noble zinc
Was also with marksman build rather than tagging.
noble zinc
maybe a crit weakspot with litearlly every damage node could do it on a prefect ...
I mean I only have crit dmg and crit chance
somber axle
I've just never experimented with the Kantrael because it is my new third place for shotguns
noble zinc
The special rounds are just very buggy.
last parcel
wolfer watching the footage only to see some crackhead veteran kill a crusher with one shotgun shot 
noble zinc
They interact multiplicatively with bonuses
cold field
quick question for the theorycraft nerds! I am trying to optomize my build here and i noticed when i go far down the middle tree and pick up the 20% damage to ogryns and the focus target key stone I COULD theoretically get around 40% damage to an ogryn but since i tag like crazy I am usually only getting 24%. I was wondering is it even worth going that deep for those talents if I can just take Agile Engagement for 25% no CD uptime on damage bonuses?
balmy flume
I am slowly coming around to the idea that Auric PUG is…a whole other level of pain.
lol.
cold field
aaaaan wrong channel... lol nice
tall torrent
quick question for the theorycraft nerds! I am trying to optomize my build here ...
How usually 24%
Tag keystone?
Tag keystone is usually 8%
cold field
How usually 24%
because a crusher is an ogryn 20% and since i always am tagging i am probably going to get 4% from focus target keystone
somber axle
Even if you spam tag on a target it does not overwrite a higher stack buff version of it afaik
tall torrent
because a crusher is an ogryn 20% and since i always am tagging i am probably go...
Yes but tag keystone has a minimum refresh mechanic where it’s usually at 2 stacks
cold field
Oh ok
noble zinc
But yeah probably going to try and just make a good lawbringer instead. Kanty is nice but the incosistencies and tendency for team to ruin aimed shots hurts too much.
cold field
so its still more worth than agile engagement?
tall torrent
The question is, does that dmg difference you’re referring to here change breakpoints much
somber axle
So if you had 5 stacks and all 4% x 4 = 20% applies and then you accidentally tag the same target again then you still keep the 20%. It doesn't downgrade to 4%
cold field
So if you had 5 stacks and all 4% x 4 = 20% applies and then you accidentally ta...
on typical i usually tag 90+ mobs a game
tall torrent
so its still more worth than agile engagement?
What enemy are u specifically trying to optimize against
cold field
sometimes over 100
tall torrent
And which weapon
somber axle
on typical i usually tag 90+ mobs a game
Yeah same so depending on the context of a fight you will usually be getting 2-4 stacks on a tagged target
cold field
Yeah same so depending on the context of a fight you will usually be getting 2-4...
which is why im wondering if i should just take agile engagement earlier in the tree so i can snuff going down that far in the tree to piock up talents giving me close to equal damage
somber axle
I'd say generally no since Focus Target is more generally applicable and rewards you for what you are already doing. To keep Agile going you need to watch the buff timer and swipe poxwalkers before turning onto a special/elite to shoot
If you have a melee focused build it is a solid pick
tall torrent
which is why im wondering if i should just take agile engagement earlier in the ...
What melee are u using
cold field
poiwer sword with power cycler 4
tall torrent
I’d suggest taking tag keystone + redirect fire
Then if u have additional points go for that
Are u playing survivalist aura?
cold field
I'd say generally no since Focus Target is more generally applicable and rewards...
the thing though... is that the game is stupid and the one thing that rewards your team by showing elite/specialist enemies is heavily punished for using (focus target KS). so since im not getting as much from it as i could with say... weapon specialist KS i could just go for agile engagement and not even think about the buffs anymore and just run it
cold field
Are u playing survivalist aura?
is there any other aura thats worth? lol
I mean if there are 3 vets on my team ill switch up but yeah
tall torrent
is there any other aura thats worth? lol
Yea so AE is a 3 point pick, idk if you need AE for power sword
And while it’s good for plasma, it doesn’t change major breakpoints all that much
somber axle
If you are counting kills and competing with a friend sure. Otherwise target is down and the negatives of not getting Confirmed Kill (as an example) are outweighed by the positives of you buffing teamwide damage on the target and the target dying faster
cold field
so thats a good argument
somber axle
Even if you didn't get the killing blow
cold field
it IS a team buff
somber axle
Still very strong
Imagine Fire Team + Focus Target with 8 stacks node
Idk if Fire Team is Additive or Multplicative with the bonus of Focus Target but if it is Additive then you get a teamwide 37% damage boost
Very funny for Karnak Twins or Assassination missions
For the low low effort price of
Existing and pinging a target
brisk oxide
okay so i think i was talking complete shit saying that the scab faction/melee only maelstroms are easy. just tried it again and my team got dumpstered again
wide anvil
Yeah uuhh
brisk oxide
turns out not everyone is bringing anti armor weapons into it
wide anvil
Never forget
Mot everyone can handle an entire pack of Crushers + Maulers back-to-back
brisk oxide
i have to assume it's just people who haven't done it before that are joining and that's who i'm playing with
tall torrent
Idk if Fire Team is Additive or Multplicative with the bonus of Focus Target but...
+Dmg is additive
brisk oxide
otherwise why are you bringing bolter on a no ammo modifier
somber axle
+Dmg is additive
That's very funny to know thank you
tall torrent
otherwise why are you bringing bolter on a no ammo modifier
“But but but boltgun good vs armor”
brisk oxide
lol yeah apparently. i guess maybe the clicking noise of the hammer falling on an empty chamber over and over will spook them
rocking plasma on that modifier i -never- run out
cold field
I need a good VET karnak twins build actually
tall torrent
What do y’all normally bring into scab no ammo maelstrom
cold field
i need secret hard mode still
brisk oxide
ive been doing plasma/power sword
cold field
same
brisk oxide
power sword kills probably one crusher/mauler every two seconds or so
cold field
i used power sword MK 3
brisk oxide
i run mk6
cold field
So it doesnt 1 shot them
brisk oxide
mk6 doesnt one shot them either
cold field
it takjes like
brisk oxide
at least with my build. you have to stab, then swing with two lights
cold field
3-4 swings charged up
tall torrent
@cold field Karnak HM
cold field
maybe I should switch
tall torrent
Plasma + melee of ur choice
brisk oxide
MK6 is imo the better of the two
tall torrent
Power sword / Rashad good choices
brisk oxide
it has insane light swings for BMomentum into hordes
only problem is they nerfed it so now you have to block cancel while charging to reset your lights
minor annoyance
cold field
block cancel charges faster?>
tall torrent
block cancel charges faster?>
Yes
brisk oxide
mk3 is kinda diagonal
but it doesnt really matter, you can't get good head swings with MK3 either way
cold field
gonan try out a mk 6
brisk oxide
BM MK6 is insane
the raw power you feel cleaving hordes is insane
it's some real rip and tear stuff
brisk oxide
i have a MK3 as well, i run slaughterer and PC
it's not bad for killing elites with
i'd say it's like, half as good at horde clear but like 30% better at anti elite
i love my MK6 though, it has kind of stupid perks since it has specialist, but it also has maniac, so it's +35% into mutants i.e. one shots them with heavy
and flak wouldnt hit any relevant breakpoints anyway i think
hollow ibex
whats mk3 good for then
Still good, just worse than mk6
tall torrent
whats mk3 good for then
It’s just worse than mk6 rn
sturdy crow
How good is stopping power?
unique sorrel
you can hover stats to see what they do, but its dmg
sturdy crow
Yeah I know I can do that, but is it really damage or just stagger damage?
vague smelt
Yeah I know I can do that, but is it really damage or just stagger damage?
Check inspect
Hover over the stat
agile forge
Real damage against certain armour types
It is often a bigger deal than the base damage stat
sturdy crow
I'm inspecting it and I'm just confused by the wording of it
tame lodge
Does it say "damage against flak"?
Or carapace?
tall torrent
How good is stopping power?
Extremely important
sturdy crow
All the lines say "damage against X", but the description in the bottom says "measure of impact and stagger"
tall torrent
I guess charge rate is the dump stat then?
You need dmg and SP to be 78% or higher
Ammo 60% or higher
Thermal resist 69% or higher
tame lodge
I guess charge rate is the dump stat then?
Yeah, the secret of the current Plasma gun is that you don't get a good trade from charging your shots, so you don't charge
sturdy crow
Yeah I already never charge on my current
tame lodge
Nice nice
arctic rampart
I guess charge rate is the dump stat then?
I always view charge rate & thermal resistance as dump stats. It depends on if you A.) use ADS to charge shoot or B.) you use the method where (get to 100%) => hit special de-charge button => shoot twice => hit special de-charge button . If you do the latter, which is better IMO, then you have 2 dump stats.
stiff glacier
Damn last update upped the autopistols recoil
molten hound
is there a reason to take grenade tinkerer over covering fire if ur going krak
krak already kills everything it sticks without it
fossil basalt
bitter turtle
is there a reason to take grenade tinkerer over covering fire if ur going krak
boss damage and covering fire is useless anyway
somber axle
I want to make a team medic style Vet with Laspistol using Reassuringly Accurate blessing and a bunch of the toughness regen perks scattered across the tree to constantly funnel toughness regen into my teams
I know numbers cat did a similar build using Plasma but tbh I like the look and feel of Laspistol more as personal preference and I want to test it to see how effective Laspistol could be running something similar
hearty panther
ive tried it
stiff glacier
Laspistol and axe with stealth
hearty panther
reassuringly accurate is surprisingly not reassuring at all
frank ether
I know numbers cat did a similar build using Plasma but tbh I like the look and ...
I love how we just call him numbers cat now lmao
drowsy jolt
Hey guys, I'm runnin out of ammo like crazy with Veteran on auric levels, is there like a new meta to counter it? I really like veteran and it would suck If I had to switch my boy 😄
austere mica
Which gun are you running?
somber axle
I love how we just call him numbers cat now lmao
We have too many cats tbh and idk what to call them and they have not corrected me so they continue to be numbers cat to me
drowsy jolt
Yeaaa :IIII
drowsy jolt
shoot less
If I'm pickin vetty I wanna shoot more tho 😄
somber axle
reassuringly accurate is surprisingly not reassuring at all
Yeah but I'm a funny clown running triple Stam curios to maximize Deadshot so I will play something to weird angles
frank ether
all you can do is shoot less
austere mica
Yeah if you want something similar you can try Agripinna shotgun with its slugs
frank ether
use more melee it helps
austere mica
Or Plasma
somber axle
frank ether
I actually havent tested bolter
post survivalist nerf
but it was pretty much infinite ammo pre-nerf
drowsy jolt
Yeah if you want something similar you can try Agripinna shotgun with its slugs
I'll give it a shot then! No pun intended.
thanks
drowsy jolt
but it was pretty much infinite ammo pre-nerf
Not really, but it was less annoying lol
frank ether
what kind of build do you run on bolter?
austere mica
I have no idea how to build it I just know it hits and penetrates to the same degree
sinful palm
Use agripina mk8 . Run out of ammo in second room = enjoy life
austere mica
and has a shotgun for when you can't wait to load slugs
drowsy jolt
Shredder, survivalist (now very meh), Voice of command and weapons specialist
that shit could deal with auric damnation
now I feel like a lil handicapped child coz everyone just pings ammo for me XD
drowsy jolt
Use agripina mk8 . Run out of ammo in second room = enjoy life
XD
junior needle
good, it was too OP before
It was gutted in patch 13, many months ago
junior needle
All the lines say "damage against X", but the description in the bottom says "me...
Tooltips are often very silly and unhelpful in fatshark games. All stopping power stats govern damage to various armor types.
brisk oxide
It was gutted in patch 13, many months ago <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I know I was being silly
frank ether
We have too many cats tbh and idk what to call them and they have not corrected ...
vet chat is just a giant cat herd
last parcel
astra nyalitarum
junior needle
Was just about to post that
frank ether
https://tenor.com/view/imperial-guard-cat-warhammer40k-gif-23254825
lmao
tame lodge
I'm not a cat person, imma be sick on the corner, don't mind me
timid otter
hollow ibex
I'm not a cat person, imma be sick on the corner, don't mind me
Not a cat person? Sounds like you’re in the wrong channel
drowsy jolt
I like house cats, but I also love birds, so I don't like outside cats 😄 Those deserve to be purged! 😄
bitter turtle
I'm not a cat person, imma be sick on the corner, don't mind me
you meowtherfucker
last parcel
not feline so good?
bitter turtle
playing smiteker to finish the penance is making me ill
no wonder its so easy to outscore ppl in pugs
they dont fucking kill anything
im staring at a pack of shotgunners and so tempted just to whip out my trauma staff but waiting for teammates to actually shoot them
fiery plinth
Pray tell how does morrow view us rejects?