veteran-class

[somber axle]

I alternate between the Mg1a and Mk XII depending on my mood when I feel like playing with the Infantry Lasguns tbh

[winter grove]

Stopping power is 68% but I don't think it's that bad right?

[somber axle]

Do not touch Mk IV unless you use an autoclicker mod

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230680894516367451/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.04.19_-_11.45.48.03.mp4?ex=663433e6&is=6621bee6&hm=b11a72aaf73dd59013a1289eaa67ac5420ecc691f2127ed2d4081fc849602e3b&

full auto

[junior needle]

1a just does more dps with basically the same breakpoints, and also feels better due to firing faster

[somber axle]

That is a pretty looking gun mod

Become Recon in spirit

[junior needle]

Couldn't tell you about the breakpoints but I tend to save my mats for a bit more decisive of a roll

[winter grove]

Consider me a mad man since I got the holo sights off it

[somber axle]

Tbh I have sometimes wished to remove the holo sights to look more like the generic guards around the Mourningstar

[winter grove]

I'll keep it and use brunt casino for a better one

[somber axle]

But I do not like cosmetic mods that are client side exclusive and there will never be a cosmetic mod that works client side and server side because Fatshark would shut it down for competing with the shop

[faint beacon]

or have the mod that just autos for you

[somber axle]

I like to look pretty both on my screen and for anyone who looks at me

[junior needle]

That would be an autoclicker mod

[winter grove]

Lmao just got these two bad boys

[faint beacon]

Holy shit I cannot read

I thought it meant an Actual autoclicker

[somber axle]

Yeah that's what I meant by the autoclicker mod. Without something like that it is speedrunning carpal tunnel mode

[faint beacon]

I blame 6 hours of sleep

[junior needle]

Same boss

[winter grove]

It's called Full Auto mod

[faint beacon]

bare with me Vets of Veteran Chat

[somber axle]

It's ok

[winter grove]

It allows you to hold lmb to fire

[somber axle]

We all have our clown hours

Sometimes we have clown days or even weeks

For the lucky few we have clown lives

[faint beacon]

The emperor deploying his funniest clowns for our battles

[somber axle]

Yes

Nurgle sends his funniest creations to test the Emperor's silliest clowns

[winter grove]

:)

Full length mg4 jumpscare

[somber axle]

Btw do Headhunter Autoguns have a hidden effect of turning off the sound effect that plays whenever a enemy is about to melee you if you are aiming down sights?

[faint beacon]

I tend to catch myself making guns longer

for some reason

idk me like long barrel

[somber axle]

Usually I hear stray poxwalkers and bruisers sneaking up but I played a few matches before work and they were stealthy silent assassins poking my back

[faint beacon]

They might be hitting you from the sides

seeing the HH is my go to gun you tend to hyper focus on aiming

[somber axle]

Maybe

I'm very reliant on audio queues to tell me when I begin my clownish dance routine

And I couldn't hear them with the HH Autogun

[winter grove]

Can you guess what gun this is? It's not agri brauto

[faint beacon]

Ahem

CIAG

[winter grove]

correct

[faint beacon]

BINGO

Fellow Long Gun enjoyer

[somber axle]

I've been running HH VII with Smoke grenades, Executioner's Stance and Marksman's Focus keystone

[winter grove]

I just made it an AKM because I am biased towards those

[faint beacon]

I literally made my HH look like that

Not exactly

it looks more like an AN-94 when I think about it

but still

[somber axle]

I want to finish the smoke penance and it is very satisfying shooting gunners, reapers and snipers through smoke

Exe Stance highlighting everything through the smoke feels like a dream combo

[faint beacon]

maelstrom without anyone going down...

[somber axle]

Plus Vraks VII Exe Stance with full Marksman's Focus stacks lets me just pump shots into a Crusher and kill them in what feels like 2-3 seconds of head tapping

Absolutely love this gun

[faint beacon]

VII the 3 or 2 round burst

I use all them equally

[somber axle]

Single shot

[faint beacon]

so I genuinely do not remember their names lmao

[somber axle]

Unless I mixed up the numbers

But I use the single shot Headhunter

[faint beacon]

Wait no yeah

[somber axle]

Absolutely wild that it can just delete Crushers with so little effort

[idle swallow]

alright I gotta use marksman focus what gun uses it the best

[winter grove]

Love me grey CIAG

[faint beacon]

3 - 3 round
7 - Single

other one will always be 2 round

[somber axle]

I only really remember 3 is on 3

[faint beacon]

I tend to use the 2 round burst one

for... some reason

shame me for it

[somber axle]

Vraks is not a big fan of the government 3 on 3 on 3

[faint beacon]

but I enjoy the rifle a lot

LET ME SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE

no ones stopping you

LET ME SPEAK

[somber axle]

I've had good success with the Kantrael XII Infantry Lasgun, Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun, Accatran Mk II Laspistol, Mk X Laspistol, Lawbringer/Kantrael/Agripina Shotguns and the Vraks VII Headhunter Autogun but tbh you could easily do a Marksman's Focus build with the Columnus Infantry Autogun or Agripina Infantry Autogun too

[faint beacon]

Logging in and seeing this makes me feel slightly better and worse about myself lmao

[balmy flume]

Define worse?

[faint beacon]

I play the game too much

lmao

[balmy flume]

Eh it happens lol

[inland orchid]

Props to you I haven’t touched a auric since the cool update

[somber axle]

Shotguns have surprisingly high damage on head shots so Marksman's Focus rewards you for being consistent with what you are naturally wanting to do anyway

[idle swallow]

damn I got options then, ty

[faint beacon]

I kid you not focus is good

if you can click on heads

[balmy flume]

Meanwhile I got the “whole team not downed at all” one and the old, pre-update Flawless Execution.

[faint beacon]

its that easy

[somber axle]

Yeah! Play with anything you like tbh. Boltgun, Plasma, Revolver, Braced Autoguns, Shredder Autopistol and Recon Lasguns all are bad choices for Marksman's Focus imo

Don't use it with any of those

[faint beacon]

UNLESS

[somber axle]

But anything else works fine to really good

[faint beacon]

You have really damn good RNG and aim

with the braced

but thats risky

and thats more of a spray at head range

[somber axle]

Yeah LOL

OH I ALMOST FORGOR

Helbores are also fine for Marksman's Focus but I'd prefer the Mk II or Mk I with a Marksman's Focus build thh

Helbore Mk III works best with Focus Target and damage stacking to get a 1HKO on Crushers

I love one tapping Crusher heads

[balmy flume]

Also today on Memelot takes.
“You were staying still for 40 seconds”

• said in Auric Maelstrom, ignoring backspawned hordes and a psyker that dropped to a lower floor by accident.

[faint beacon]

Its niche, You have to play more like a backline sniper with it

dont let it stop you from using it

but you have to play more passive with the Mk3

[somber axle]

Helbores really do feel like sniper rifles moreso than any other gun

Mk II is a personal fav because they clean rooms so fast of shooters, gunners, reapers, etc.

[faint beacon]

I'd argue

the HH MkVII

feels like a Sniper

[somber axle]

Still good TTK with a Mk II on Crushers too

[faint beacon]

but its borderlining on DMR

[somber axle]

Just not the Mk III's 1HKO

[faint beacon]

actually no

its more of a DMR

Thats the HH MKVII

[somber axle]

1HKO Crushers is SO satisfying

[idle swallow]

Mk3 helbore is all in on laser .50cal, I can see the appeal

[somber axle]

I have a very fond memory of the Mk II

[faint beacon]

Special key being binded to M1

press

win

[faint beacon]

Eats up ammo fast but

i will admit

very satisfying

I suggest running shocktrooper with it as a talent seeing if you're doing

WoF + Surgical

you'll be able to always have a way to conserve ammo

cause Crit = Free Ammo

[somber axle]

A Psyker accidentally aggro'd the Daemonhost and the rest of the squad thought he was toast. The other two squadmates booked it because this was pre-Daemonhost nerf and it would kill 2 of the squad. The one who aggro'd and then the closest person to it after. Psyker dodged, blocked and fought but ended up going down. I pumped my Mk II at full charge spam as fast as I could into the Daemonhost's face and just BARELY saved that poor Psyker seconds from the jaws of Daemonhost death. Mk II will forever be my fav Helbore because of it

[faint beacon]

I swear to god

i thought Pre DH change

was whoever did damage to it next

Cause I'd never attack it yet be close to it and it would go after the other person who would try to help

honestly im happy about the change

it encourages the attempt to save a fuck up

[somber axle]

Yeah that would make sense but pre-nerf Daemonhost is just looking for whoever is the easiest target to reach next

Modern Daemonhost is less scary

Only killing one target means teams usually ignore it if someone blunders into it now

Old Daemonhost would force teams to engage because being down 2 people would be awful

Or cowards would flee trying to make distance just to hope they'd be one of the two survivors

[late hatch]

If you ran far enough away the old DH would just go away after killing 1 person

[astral valve]

Found the coward

[somber axle]

Really? Was it requiring the rest of the team to be pretty far? I remember someone who felt like they were on the opposite side of the map triggering it and then suddenly it would be in our face after that guy finished being their lunch

[astral valve]

[late hatch]

Im not taking corruption coz some random is too dim to not fire at a tagged DH

[somber axle]

Tbh DH corruption is piddly

I hate hate hate Grimoire corruption though

[faint beacon]

I can back this up

I had it happen to me

Its cause I attempted saving our psyker who pissed it off

[somber axle]

Team picks up two and now I am stuck on 1 wounds for the rest of the game

[faint beacon]

realizing it was a lost cause

ran

[bitter turtle]

i wanted my mg4 to reflect the tech heresy I had to commit to turn it into a full-auto gun

https://i.gyazo.com/bdc9e78d8fd498f31873a1f7dae1bcb7.png

[faint beacon]

quite some distance and it teleported onto me

[somber axle]

Yeah old Daemonhost was a MENACE

[late hatch]

a bit further than nade range and they would just lose agro. idk all the esoteric details of the DH coding but i def saw it bail after 1 a few times

[somber axle]

But I loved that chaotic menace

[late hatch]

I think its old targeting was a bit buggy maybe

[somber axle]

It made Thammer Zealots soloing it seem like those crazy bastards were true heroes and gods for instagibbing Daemonhosts

[faint beacon]

Bless them

[somber axle]

They still are tbh

[faint beacon]

cause I literally was the crutches of death by one onetime

[somber axle]

I've been saved a handful of times by Thammer Zealots when I accidentally triggered the DH

They are my fav people

[faint beacon]

hearing the dreaded "YOUR SOUL IS MINE!" Before seeing this fucking unit bonk it over the head instantly killing it lmao

[late hatch]

Whats happens if you dclaw special a DH? Are its attacks just too fast and the next one hits you? Or can you beat down a DH with parry?

[somber axle]

You can parry but the DH keeps swinging

Dclaw parry doesn't stagger them afaik

So you parry one strike but the follow ups will keep coming

So unless you parry and dodge right after you will eat hits

Parry is still REALLY good for fighting DHs

Very solid defensive tool to keep putting out damage while staying out of reach of the DH

[molten hound]

auric qp going great

jesus fucking christ

complete dogshit

[bitter turtle]

please

remove soem of the stats

so its actulaly legible

[somber axle]

People are chasing the new cosmetics and want those extra penance points from clearing Aurics LMFAO

[molten hound]

its legible to me, wym

[somber axle]

I imagine some of them are either overconfident in their own abilities or they're praying to be carried

[supple stag]

I was doing crab stance to get marksman focus out of the way

fuck that keystone lmao

[faint beacon]

Its usually the ladder

[bitter turtle]

ive been crabwalking the entire map but still outkilling my teammates

kek

[faint beacon]

wanting to rip my hair out last time with sheer amount of fuck ups I had

[molten hound]

how the fuck am i just blowing a plasma gun vet out of the water with revolver

[faint beacon]

on Auric maelstrom

[molten hound]

you are literally using a direct upgrade

[faint beacon]

Probably not used to it

[supple stag]

I did the penance in 5 games, feels good

[faint beacon]

thats what I say

[bitter turtle]

plasma is not really a direct upgrade

revolver is just as strong

[faint beacon]

I never really cared for being Top leader board

[bitter turtle]

fits weapon specialist builds much better

[faint beacon]

as long as im somewhere in the middle I know I did good

[bitter turtle]

weapon specialist plasma works

but not nearly as well as revolver does it

[molten hound]

no

plasma gun is just straight up better

[somber axle]

My fav was when I was in a match when me and a Psyker were trying to hard carry two guys. They both went down. I got cornered for bad positioning and slammed by a Crusher when I couldn't dodge. The Psyker literally stopped and said "wait why are you all down"

Then left the match

LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

even supposing that is the cas eyou are talking about literally top 3 gunson vet

[somber axle]

Honestly probably the good play

[molten hound]

revolver is just more fun

[somber axle]

Just end it

[bitter turtle]

i dont really feel like splitting hairs about it

[somber axle]

End the suffering

[bitter turtle]

both of them are overpowered as fug

[faint beacon]

Okay I changed my HH to look like this just cause the old look was getting stale, should I change the Muzzle at all, Cause the Sight + Barrel combo im enjoying

[bitter turtle]

i dont like using lasrifle muzzles

on autoguns

and vice versa

if i can help it

[faint beacon]

I tend to use Bulky ones to signify its weighted down

tend to

but I'll take recomendations

[bitter turtle]

which HH is this anyway

v3?

[faint beacon]

The one everyone hates

2 round burst

lmao

[bitter turtle]

jesus christ

just sell the weapon

jk

[faint beacon]

Look I got insane rolls on it

and I've committed to using it lol

[late hatch]

If it doesnt work you just arent forcing it hard enough

[faint beacon]

Wondering if I should go for a bigger one like this or a smaller one

still going through them all

[winter grove]

Try agri brauto muzzle

[bitter turtle]

this is my v3 :^)

https://i.gyazo.com/99ed32c6013a8cb21623c117b4bd520d.png

[faint beacon]

I think this is it

[faint beacon]

Also is it bad to say I kinda fuck with it

compact burst rifle

[bitter turtle]

that was the idea

it was actually even smoller before

lemme take a picture

[faint beacon]

So far we got this

Actually I might change the grip

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/9684ea8fc873772fb1525e3e98be5fb7.png

even smoller

[faint beacon]

either leather or wood

i think would fit the best

[faint beacon]

Emperor's Smallest Burst Rifle

[bitter turtle]

you have gold on it

so use duelist grip

always

jk

[tall torrent]

play?

[bitter turtle]

i actually just finished for now orz

finger was starting to hurt again

i think i need the full auto mod

after playing with laspis so much

[tall torrent]

Alr

[tall torrent]

Yea go for it tbh

[late hatch]

It really is a lifesaver for the laspistol

[tall torrent]

I’m suffering from zealot loner stealth backstab shenanigans

[faint beacon]

^ absolutely

[bitter turtle]

i know they arent going to like

give it for free

so i at least wish they'd sell basic recolor packs for weapon lines

like you can buy all the colors for headhunters to freely change or someshit for a pittance of aquilas

[molten hound]

why are missions in the torrent so much harder than everywhere else

[late hatch]

wet feet make marching harder

[molten hound]

these maps are a nightmare

[tall torrent]

Not rly?

[molten hound]

absolutely

its so much easier to get split up

[tall torrent]

Oh u prob mean silo cluster

[faint beacon]

I just want something other than fucking Red and Slightly blue camo for my HH's

[molten hound]

vigil station a little bit too

[bitter turtle]

idk torrent is usually fine outside of one mission with certain modifiers

i forgot which one

but the one where you climb down that big ass tower

in th ebeginning

ive seen a lot of fails right off the bat to that part

and the section right after can be pretty precarious too

easy to fall off

[bitter turtle]

the wosrt part is

a lot of guns are already slgihtly blue

so the only real alternative for them is just red

kek

[somber axle]

I have the green camo for all the guns and tbh I don't like it on HHs just because it changes the stock to this little wire thing that looks worse imo

I really don't like this and changing the rest of the gun to green doesn't help it LOL

It's why I like the Vraks VII most

Stock isn't pretty but she isn't awful either

Though I don't mess with weapon customization mods so

[faint beacon]

Internally screaming right now

idk why my entire team thought it was a good idea to split off in groups of one but they did that

And no

none of them were loner zealots

lmao

[bitter turtle]

my v7 is prob my favorite customization kek

https://i.gyazo.com/aeeb5bab50405e1edb6d9015e30286f8.jpg

[hollow turtle]

I can't play with that high of a scope sadly.

[somber axle]

Out of all of the guns Vraks feels like it benefits most from a weapons customization mod

Most of the base game appearances are fine but WOW the Vraks base game looks are such garbo

[bitter turtle]

It's not that intense of a scope actually

I think it's 3x at most prob

There's a lot of scope levels available

I don't know what lunatic would play with the 16x ones tho

[somber axle]

People dreaming of Longlas knowing it's probably a year away at best

[hollow turtle]

Actually, I don't think I've seen that particular scope. Which mod is that one on?

[bitter turtle]

Idk I have 3 mods

The base, extended and one other I forgot

[hollow turtle]

I should probably install extended again after turning off randomization for all players.

[magic trout]

You should, also turn off ramdon equipment on vendors

[hollow turtle]

Yup. Turned that off too.

[late hatch]

I love weapon customisation mod ❤️

[somber axle]

Psyker casually one handing an Ogryn knife

[frank ether]

thats pretty neat

[molten hound]

ngl revolver vet feels like shit without volley adept

[tall torrent]

Play weapon specialist?

[molten hound]

i do

[tall torrent]

Shouldn’t be that bad then?

[molten hound]

it does?

why? do you do this?

it's a very bizarre? manner of speaking?

[tiny summit]

How?

You point and shoot the same

[molten hound]

yeah i dunno

[tall torrent]

I can’t ask questions ig

[tiny summit]

I would prefer revolver on infil and voc anyways

[molten hound]

you get 1 extra bullet from the keystone modifier if u kill one thing and then 2 if u kill 10

[tall torrent]

Kill 1, swap to load, swap back

U could go top right path taking both O4B and tac reload as well if u rly need that reload speed

[tiny summit]

Literally don't to hit reload. Just constant swap back and forth

[short vapor]

Truly We Ball However We Want To Ball.

[faint beacon]

Nothing but facts being said here

[somber axle]

I wish they'd sell a good looking Headhunter Autogun cosmetic tbh

It would be an instant buy for me

[hollow turtle]

Taking a page out of the Dark Eldar gun designs with this one.

Now the way it swings its bayonet actually makes sense.

[hallow dune]

is 'shattering impact IV' on a plasma gun good?

[winter grove]

Taking those Kislevite designs I see

[last parcel]

i have the same thing but covered in tortilla strips

[tall torrent]

No

[rigid pilot]

It's decent, but for your team. There are other better options for yourself

[cloud falcon]

My vet buddy is trying to get into Rashad any tips for him I should pass along?

[tall torrent]

Does he happen to have 8M dockets laying around

[hallow dune]

thanks boys

[cloud falcon]

Lol not 8 million

He knows he has to look for BM and headtaker tho

[winter grove]

How many fucking crushers and maulers do you need game???

[rigid pilot]

Yes

[midnight totem]

ah man

killshot ready is going to be an annoying penance for me to get

[frank ether]

I like agri weapon specialist

also its possible to break that gun and make it fire all 5 shot in like a splitsecond

[last parcel]

agri ws has no right to be as fun as it is

[midnight totem]

its really got that cowboy feel to it

[frank ether]

I really like the funny fan revolver

its a bad weapon, but incredibly satisfying to shoot regardless

I think it probably just needs some more reserve ammo honestly, could live with its other downsides.

[trim steppe]

Headtaker and BM, for perks you need both unarmored and flak, and for stats you need everything but mobility over 70 and as high as you can find, especially damage and first target. It's a tough combo to find it all, and you need ALL of it

[cloud falcon]

Tyvm

What about more general use like how to actively use it in play

[hollow turtle]

Okay. When I downloaded the extended extended, I wasn't expecting to get something out of the age of strife.

[last parcel]

the chainsword scopes get me every time

[trim steppe]

You spam lights at head level for most things cuz it has nice sweeping attacks. For Crushers and Monstrosities you spam heavies which are overhead strike downs. That's basically it haha, not very complicated once you actually roll one

[cloud falcon]

Thanks again!

[tall torrent]

Flak is not mandatory, but unarmored usually is

[robust mesa]

Did they nerf vet again

[trim steppe]

No vet got buffed

[trim steppe]

Isn't it flak or carapace, but flak is better? And I thought you needed flak for dreg bruiser bp

[hollow ibex]

surv got nerfed pretty hard

but vet also got some random talent buffs that i'll happily take

[serene bough]

surv needed it

[hollow ibex]

nah

[serene bough]

next thing they'll come for is our infinite grenades

[stuck kite]

After playing over the weekend, I'm still in the camp that it's nerfed too much (maybe a 3s cooldown to meet the fans/devs halfway), but the nerf WAS justified

[trim steppe]

Surv was unhealthily strong, it needed a nerf. You felt stupid running vet without surv aura

I think a 2-3s cd is probably the sweet spot, we'll see what FS does

[serene bough]

or they can keep the cd and up the percentage

[stuck kite]

I felt like a badass with a 45% crit chance and my Kantrael Laspistol, never running out of ammo or needing to pick one tin up in a Dam+Mut. Auric might have had to pick up 1 tin max. So yeah a nerf is good, we just like feeling powerful

[robust mesa]

surv needed it?

Bruh

Surv was the only one worthwhile

[serene bough]

thats why it needed it

[robust mesa]

Ah yes

let's make everything equally useless

[serene bough]

its still useful, its just not going to return your ammo reserve 7-fold like it used to

[stuck kite]

You can make the argument that "Why nerf one perk that is sound, when you can look at buffing the other perks?"

[robust mesa]

Kinda lame

I guess it's cool smite got a buff though

[somber axle]

Idk I'm overall really happy with the changes

Even as a Recon main the surv aura nerf hasn't been a big deal but I do recognize that some Plasma users and some Boltgun users are feeling the pain

[robust mesa]

Surv didn't need a nerf

[somber axle]

I'm happier to see the buffs to Exe Stance and Marksman's Rocus tbh

[midnight totem]

Plasma users should be fine

Boltgun is where it hurts

[somber axle]

Also after playing with Out for Blood and Tunnel Vision it ends up being very funny toughness regen

[midnight totem]

Out for blood was already my favorite toughness regen

[trim steppe]

Basically everyone here knew for months that surv needed a nerf. The only debate was how to nerf it

[somber axle]

Guns that benefit from Shock Trooper for free crits are enjoying a much easier time though tbh

[robust mesa]

I'm glad the other things got a buff, sure.

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper feels like a much more valuable talent than before given the Surv Aura nerf and it wasn't changed at all

[robust mesa]

a five second proc on getting a round back is, bock and call torture.

[midnight totem]

It should be 2 percent rounds back if 5 second proc, or 3 sec proc

Regardless, it's not completely useless, and vet will be fine with or without

[tall torrent]

Flak/elite/carapace

[midnight totem]

What id really like to see is the other classes contribute to increased ammo for the team

[robust mesa]

I guess it's fine for shock trooper/lasgun

where the entire point of those builds is to get headshots

and not actually burn through ammo

[trim steppe]

What's the use case for elite? I can't think of a single bp close enough to matter

[robust mesa]

But, plasma. You get, 1, rounds. Bolters are rough too.

Bad change.

[stuck kite]

Does anyone actually use the reload speed perks? Always felt like they were a crutch - I'm way out of the way from enemies. And if I was that overwhelmed I'd go melee

Oh I guess I should say I don't use revolvers, but I guess if you use them it's good. But most other guns have fair reload times

[somber axle]

Good Plasma players are ok but grabbing a few more tins/packs after encounters. Though some other Plasma users who shoot at the standard dreg/scab shooters that scatter all across a room end up on permanent yellow/orange ammo through missions as far as I've seen. Plasma really isn't a good weapon for taking care of the non-elite shooters unless they can catch the patrol in a line or ambush the shooters as they come out of a spawn door/gate

Very poor ammo econ for engaging those ones

[midnight totem]

still a bit more ammo efficient for those then my poor zarona xD

[somber axle]

Oh absolutely

[midnight totem]

but yeah, I agree

[robust mesa]

?

[somber axle]

Zarona doesn't even feel worth using against the non-elite shooters anymore

[tall torrent]

Shotgunner 1 tap

Because not having flak = you need extra melee dmg nodes

10% melee + precision strikes + unarmored + elite

[somber axle]

Drop a smoke and force the shooters into melee then clean up if you are a Plasma main tbh

Otherwise you will suffer trying to take out rooms full of non-elite shooters

[trim steppe]

Oh, so as a flak-lite alternative

[somber axle]

Or hope someone else in the squad has a better answer to non-elite shooter packs

[faint beacon]

God I feel so grimy after wasting all my HH ammo in order to get like 400 kills with 10 Focus

[midnight totem]

the psyker, brain bursting them away one by one...

[faint beacon]

1250/2500 so far

slowly but surely

[midnight totem]

I got like, 140 after one game

it felt painful

[tall torrent]

Flak is for Dreg bruiser 1HS without +melee dmg talent

Elite is for both shotgunner 1HS with +melee dmg talent

Carapace is for crusher & mauler 3HS heavy with +melee dmg talent

[faint beacon]

I get 10 stacks

I crouch

I spam head level into hordes

and get a shit ton

[placid portal]

haha IAG goes BRRRRR

[midnight totem]

I think the node that brings it up to 15 stacks is good

[faint beacon]

True, means you could maintain it longer

actually after the buff might make it easier

[gray condor]

What's the tier list for classes now? Haven't played since last November

[tall torrent]

Veteran: S tier
Zealot: S tier
Psyker: S tier
Ogryn: S tier

(Only if u know how to play each class and utilize their kits well)

[gray condor]

Ogryn isn't anymore so my friends say

[radiant chasm]

your friends are stupid oggy is great

[gray condor]

ok stalker, blocked

[tall torrent]

Still very strong, but gunlugger path is hit a bit due to Survivalist nerf

[radiant chasm]

i play all 4 classes

yee survivalist nerf hit oggy harder than the toughness nerf on FNP

[gray condor]

What about psyker auto-aim now?

[tall torrent]

Assail is still strong, just not smth u want to use instead of your staff all the time

Which I think is fair

[radiant chasm]

they put a longer delay between recharging on assail

[hollow ibex]

assail is still easy mode

[tall torrent]

I enjoy playing purgatus + assail

[radiant chasm]

so you can't keep it up as your primary weapon, you are most likely going to throw them out then swap to a different weapon while they fly around

[gray condor]

Is it still used on hardest difficulty?

[hollow ibex]

tes

yes

[radiant chasm]

also the left click was nerfed a bit and the right click buffed

[tall torrent]

Yes, quite often

[radiant chasm]

lmao i can't even why are you trying to meta slave this hard everything is being playing in auric maelstrom to some extent

there is some main out there who loves his build path and does good

[tall torrent]

Basically u spam for elite waves, aim for long range targets

Throw all out, start staff

Build enough peril, vent

Weave some assail in with staff

You should be fine

[robust mesa]

smites the best

[gray condor]

What about Vet since they removed the stealth trait?

[tall torrent]

What stealth trait?

[gray condor]

stand still and enemies ignore you

[thorn lark]

I may bee too conservative with my assailing... I never spam them

[somber axle]

Do you mean Camo Stance from launch days

[tall torrent]

You don’t need that

[somber axle]

That was a very long time ago but yeah Vet is very strong and doesn't need it

[tall torrent]

Veteran is a very do-it-all class now

[radiant chasm]

the only thing I can say is that gunker and gunlugger is going to be rough going

[somber axle]

We have a new stealth ability now

[radiant chasm]

lol standing still stealth was one of the worst feats in the game especially cause it competed with 75% toughness DR

[gray condor]

has power sword been buffed since last November?

[somber axle]

Infiltrate let's you turn invisible and move around. You can underhand lob grenades while invisible without breaking invisibility, you can revive team mates without breaking invisibility, you can do scanners, etc.

[radiant chasm]

infiltrate actually stealths you instead of just lowering your "aggro"

[tall torrent]

We had an auric where one gunlugger slurped up 10 small ammo, 6 big ammo and 1 ammo crate

And he somehow still had less dmg than yuri trolling with a 6d

[radiant chasm]

you can move around, you can use it as a engage and disengage tool

[radiant chasm]

yea

[placid portal]

you still get body block no?

[somber axle]

And it has a talent node for -90% threat on invisibility breaking so if another team mate is near then you will feel like what it was like using old Camo Stance but be able to move around too for 10 seconds after stealth

[hollow ibex]

gunluggers are why i hate ogryns

[radiant chasm]

most of the issues tend to be player related on either skill or building issues

no, you hate veterans in ogryn suits

[somber axle]

Infiltrate also gives you a 30% movement speed buff while invisible and fully restores toughness upon activation

Very good ability

[radiant chasm]

a good gunlugger is amazing when paired with a vet buddy, they just don't forget how to play around with ogryns melee

[hollow ibex]

nah, i hate ogryns too

[placid portal]

infiltrate is fun, get in, kill something, get out.
Infiltrate works in either getting in or getting out

[last parcel]

[radiant chasm]

ogryn just has some of the worst and best players

either you get 1 million damage or 100k

no inbetween with your pub ogryns

[placid portal]

most are run of the mill 23 IQ ogryns or Nork Nidogg

[tall torrent]

It’s still one of veteran’s best melee weapons

[radiant chasm]

it's like finding a caveman

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-sheriff-frozen-gif-27375053

camo feat vet wondering if power sword has been buffed and demanding a class tier list

[tall torrent]

U don’t hate gunluggers, u hate t’augryns

[tame lodge]

I can hear this

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/skooks-swooce-orpheusftw-gif-7682577

embed fail

😦

[near sable]

this is an ancient relic of a video

[stuck kite]

Well the Plague Ogryn won't stay stunned for long, we've got to get him to the Melk Shop

[regal aurora]

137th power sword with no power cycler IV, however i am now an auric storm survivor.

[silver pond]

https://i.imgur.com/o8tPHXi.png

[winter grove]

How do I not become a taugryn as ogryn?

[tall torrent]

Learn melee

[winter grove]

What do you mean melee there's no melee in game that's why surv nerf is so unfair and uncalled for

[supple stag]

You have a melee weapon, use it to remove heretic scum

Surv nerf was fair imo

[somber axle]

Melee + don't empty all your ammo into poxwalkers 5 minutes into a match

[supple stag]

Melee is pretty serviceable at killing trash + you replenish toughness by that so why not engage in it

I play Tide games for their melee combat

[thorn lark]

please bring back power sword 😦

[winter grove]

You will enjoy your Ius shredder pistol and you'll like it

[kindred creek]

light machine gun for veteran when...

i just wnna look like the art in the game

[tame lodge]

Graia Mk IV

Closest

[faint beacon]

I am up at fucking 12:30 AM still grinding out the focus penance, on my birthday to make it even more painful. I crave death

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-squidding-me-its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-squid-gif-26786461

[bitter turtle]

i finished the crabwalk one

ngl

at some points i thought i twas hilarious

[faint beacon]

You guys weren't fucking lying

Crouch walking the entire way

[bitter turtle]

yes

[faint beacon]

really is the best way to maintain 10 stacks lmao

[bitter turtle]

while knifing things and dodging

imagine being a moebian 6th watching someone crab walking with a knife sand stabbing everyone to death

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/28zVK46dtnDG0b/d1337ydR0nR7?invite=cr-MSwzSVgsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

This sentence reminds me of this interaction

NEED I REMIND YOU THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF US AND THERE IS ONE VETERAN CRAB WALKING LIKE AN IDIOT?!

[bitter turtle]

even funnier is most of the games i out-scored everyone on team

so the deadliest person is someone walking around like a crab with a little knife

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

Focus penance gameplay

[tall torrent]

It’s called crab walk primarily because

You actually move faster when u dodge

Than just crouch walking

[bitter turtle]

yeah

you ahve to dodge spam to the side

lol

to get anywhere

[tall torrent]

So the strat is literally to dodge horizontally with knife

For the true crab walk experience

[faint beacon]

You think I could get away with using a Mk6 with Haymaker?

[tall torrent]

I used mk6

Not haymaker tho

[faint beacon]

My current Mk6 has haymaker and mercy killer

[tall torrent]

Uncanny + flesh

[faint beacon]

I believe I have that

let me check

I have a Mk3 with it

That might do

[unkempt island]

Do yall know if the toughness DR is additive or multiplicitive?

[bitter turtle]

thats what we have the pinned guide for

https://i.gyazo.com/015b82e353cbfe5d904064671117d0dc.png

[unkempt island]

Thanks

[midnight totem]

Next time I see a level 26 or under in damnation, I'm quitting

Or just leaving them to die

[bitter turtle]

i mean

why not just play auric if you dont want sub 30

[midnight totem]

I'm not going to carry them or try to save them or pick them up anymore. Fuck them

[bitter turtle]

i think its a given they're oging to be there in normal game

[midnight totem]

yeah I should just do aurics

sometimes I make the mistake of wanting just a relaxing normal game

[bitter turtle]

i dont mean this as an insult but you really shouldn't get upset at them for queueing for a mode the game allows them to if you're also not good enough to carry a basic damnation/low int damnation

the normal mission board is meant for ppl that are newer to begin with

the whole reason we have separate auric board for 30 only is so they can queue for w/e without worrying if they will be dead weight to ppl trying to sweat

[midnight totem]

no you're right

we still won, but it was a tremendous slog

[bitter turtle]

i get it, and again, dont mean this as an insult, but maybe consider a "relaxing game where you can just mess around" for you to be just queueing for heresy or malice

if low int/basic damnation isnt easy enough for you that you can treat it like a walk in the park, then you can't really be mad at other people still learning the game for struggling either

[cedar abyss]

Should I salvage the precognition off the left and put it onto Mercy Killer's spot on the right?

[midnight totem]

hey Gale

[hollow turtle]

Hell, yeah...

[midnight totem]

I found something out you might find helpful

[midnight totem]

I wouldn't, if you run a build that takes serrated, mercy killer is very powerful

If anything, I'd bank Haymaker

[cedar abyss]

Yeah I dont really know how to use knives that well 😂

Just started using them not long ago - usually i use assault chainsword

[trim steppe]

I don't use knife enough to weigh in, but its hard for me scrap an unbanked T4 blessing lol. So I'd wanna bank haymaker too

[winter grove]

Sniper Darktide 2

[midnight totem]

Killshot Ready, the penance, counts the kills after reaching 10 stacks minimum

It doesn't have to be ranged kills

[cedar abyss]

Truee hahaa

I have like 0 TIV things, maybe I should start collecting them

Costs a ton of money and resources to roll the dice on getting tIV though 😭

[midnight totem]

@faint beacon I tested this out, frag grenades out after reaching the stacks

[trim steppe]

I spent a ludicrous amount of time and resources banking all the T4 blessings in the game lol. If I was just starting, I'd probably wait to see what the crafting rework is before spending a ton of resources. Maybe they'll make it easier

[trim steppe]

damn, thats a slick way of doing that penance faster

nice

[faint beacon]

That is fucking vile

1 match after having a zealot guarding the crab

I am

very close

[midnight totem]

nice

[faint beacon]

My thumb is screaming for help

with how much Ive been holding crouch

[cedar abyss]

Oh, there's a crafting rework? 😱

I think I spent like 500k gold and 10,000 resource things

[faint beacon]

going to be

its not out yet

[noble zinc]

Eventually

[faint beacon]

but it should be next

seeing Penances was first

[cedar abyss]

Sounds like it would be a good addition to the game

[faint beacon]

then it should be followed up with Crafting Rework

[supple stag]

You can change it in options to just press once to stay crouched

Crab stance or whatever that keystone was named wasn't all that rough, took me 5 games, thankfully my teammates were good and didn't mind me doing crab stance

[faint beacon]

I kinda had to dip on one match not because it was going bad

more so I kinda oversaw I was not going to get anywhere when I was competeing with another Vet

[supple stag]

I used power sword/Kantrael Ia Lasgun to do it

[faint beacon]

kept finishing off all my kills

etc

Im using Knife for Mobility and HH cause Clicking on heads is great

[supple stag]

Also I had a knife zealot in my party so hordes were all mine

If ogryn didn't decide to machine gun them

Last penances I have to do are the one for melee specialist and armourbane, I left those two for last, as both things I run in my usual loadouts

So I can just relax and do my thing

[dreamy vortex]

You guys are penance hunting?

I just play the game tbh

[rigid pilot]

I rarely have a chance to play with a friend so we were messing around

[pallid jetty]

i wonder, are all these modded cosmetics found in the game files?

or self made?

[rigid pilot]

They are all in-game files

[pallid jetty]

i see

[faint beacon]

We're close

so damn close

[noble zinc]

This is so bad as it denies teammates temp perks

People do it all the time when I play zealoy and then I don't have crit resist

[hollow turtle]

Kind of just dawned on me that I just recreated my Insurgency: Sandstorm soldier.

[somber axle]

this is late but like isn't there a menu option to turn crouch into a toggle

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/beagle-fat-cat-squat-cat-fitness-gif-19877500

[bitter turtle]

going for the loyalist scab sniper look huh

[high falcon]

what is the veteran 's "ogrynomicon" in steam guides

[midnight mortar]

Don't know if there is one on Steam.

There is one in the pinned messages here though.

[thorn lark]

lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1c9tdq8/can_you_remember_the_worst_shot_in_all_of_your/

that's just perfect

[agile forge]

Check the pins. It's written by our numbers name guy

9something

[high falcon]

oh thanks

[thorn lark]

@tall torrent

[last parcel]

hl2.exe

[agile forge]

I can't see that without mentally adding "has crashed."

[somber axle]

got the smoke and infiltrate penances done

the beta helmet looks good with the stealth cosmetics I think

[sharp ember]

the black chestpiece is clean but i will never get over the skin tight ski mask

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ct-urban-serious-huh-staring-zoom-face-gif-12671678163607497010

[agile forge]

Question about the brittleness on melee talent, does it apply on ticks of chainsword special?

Just wondering if I can use it to make chainsword really good on a melee build

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-emperors-new-groove-perfect-just-right-perfecto-okay-gif-17713931

[sharp ember]

apologies for the late as hell reply, but it doesn’t. Sawing counts as 1 hit

[agile forge]

Well shit.

Back to the brunt grind for a workable rashad then

So Hadron can ruin it

[sharp ember]

Zealots like to abuse that quirk with their dash ability to convert most of the sawing into crits after the hit connects

[agile forge]

I could just take it anyway and take krak

I do love the chainsword IV

[sharp ember]

I like taking Bloodletter 4 to really crank up the saw damage output

[agile forge]

Mine's specced for hordeclear more

Rampage/savage sweep iirc

Not sure, haven't used it in a while

Maybe I go with shovel 7

I fucking love that weapon

[sharp ember]

I deal with Rampage only and try to avoid getting more swamped than I can cleave

[agile forge]

I managed to accidentally make a perfect tac axe 4 too

Somebody was claiming that it works really well on melee vet

[sharp ember]

personally don’t use it but it can work when you really stack crit chance

[woeful ibex]

from facebook

https://bit.ly/4dlAQ99?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHWszkAzbIbcEprYuNZFe5OOpUsCd2hra6xUM-9yIJKLzL-xJrdHbBOqSzg_aem_AUKdhZqMUaI6uCvGhms8T7cH4ciTJDeQ-c8Y1cLGOI0dUD5s-mEryR_OgOvXHnVy5uU

Fatshark doing side projects than updating/give new content

[frail topaz]

Ffs I got to 4/5 mealstrom auric to have a lil coonted poxburster pull a cheeky “around the corner” and blow our team off the balcony

Plasma vet devs the way to go for me in that challenge

I bet captain Wolfer had a fat kek laugh at that

[agile forge]

Jojo to be continued meme

Or curb your enthusiasm

[dire olive]

I just played smite/trauma psyker, nothing can touch me

[grizzled yoke]

Is shotgun ever useful

[vague smelt]

Alright Las guns enjoyers

Is shock trooper good on reccon las with headhunter?

[scenic basin]

Want to try out plasma. Whiat should I do with this one and what talents should I pic in the skill tree?

[serene bough]

its pretty much mandatory for recon

[trim hemlock]

At least keep Elites perk and Gets Hot! blessing

[dire olive]

It's better but recon las is inherently terrible

[vague smelt]

I like VIIa

[serene bough]

arguably, if youre running a las weapon you should almost always take shocktroop

[vague smelt]

I think it's the best reccon

[dire olive]

I think VId is the best one still

Best of the worst

[serene bough]

its got the best dps but its ammo economy is garbage

[dire olive]

All of them are

[serene bough]

true

[vague smelt]

Idk

i find VIIa the most usable

[dire olive]

The II has best economy but worst DPS in the game

[serene bough]

you do you, but generally people advise against using recon except for one person

[vague smelt]

Eh?

[sharp ember]

does brutal momentum still work on bayonet

[serene bough]

no, it got patched

@somber axle someone here wants to use recon, do you have advice

[sharp ember]

bugger

[vague smelt]

What can I do with this

[dire olive]

Personally I would change sweep to shred

[supple stag]

Yoink one of the blessings I suppose

Not a fan of Catachan Swords myself

[serene bough]

i forget which devil claw mk is refered to the best

[dire olive]

TBF I prefer the IV

The IV

[supple stag]

IV because it has best single target out of 3, not that it matters much

[vague smelt]

Subjective preference is not the topic

And as far I've read marks have minor changes and moveset

[serene bough]

your two options are yoink ramage and find a better mark, or change savage sweep to a t4 version

hence the discussion about "subjective preference"

[dire olive]

And option 3 is shred since Dclaw has decent crit modifiers

Feels like it

[eternal sable]

or just super specific on what takes damage

[bitter turtle]

ya

that and the dog one

[vague smelt]

It's bugged

[bitter turtle]

bugged after the last hotfix

[eternal sable]

tyty

[dire olive]

Mine's been stuck on 46

[bitter turtle]

they fixed the auric mael one and broke these two

lol

[eternal sable]

thats cool

these arnt super hard ones

[bitter turtle]

any progress you ahve is probably from pre-hotfix

[grizzled yoke]

Shotgun? Is it viable?

[supple stag]

Shotguns should be fine I feel

Agri shotgun gives you decent ranged capabilities with it's slugs special

[junior needle]

Sneaky doesn't exactly provide terribly practical advice

[wanton dawn]

Sure but it is recon

[junior needle]

"Go max damage, forgo survivability, and run deadshot on the fastest firing, lowest damage gun in the game"

[gray finch]

and done

[umbral scaffold]

does multiple sources of weakspot damage stack together?

[junior needle]

Yes, like with other damage boosts

[umbral scaffold]

like mercy killer, precision strikes, the weapon perk

nvm

just those three

[junior needle]

Yes, no reason they wouldn't

Just keep in mind that weakspot and crit damage are ALWAYS weaker than they seem

[umbral scaffold]

yeahh

[junior needle]

Due to how ridiculously they're calculated

[umbral scaffold]

i fucking hate this world

the .1 addition

[supple stag]

Reminds me of crit power in Verm

[umbral scaffold]

wait

how does crit power work in vt?

I would run 40% crit power on bounty hunter

[supple stag]

It increases additional damage that crit does

Not the whole damage of the weapon

[umbral scaffold]

yeah that makes sense to me

[supple stag]

Which makes it a meme option most of the time

Only BH and Pyro can get some use of it, but even then power vs is better for reaching BPs

[serene bough]

I know, but i enjoy their antics

[umbral scaffold]

so how does finesse go into play with weak spot damage?

[junior needle]

Finesse is weakspot and crit damage

[umbral scaffold]

also a mk iii combat knife with 80% finesse, how does that math with desperados talent 25% finesse bonus

[junior needle]

And attack speed on melee weapons, but seemingly only finesse from the stat bar affects attack speed

[umbral scaffold]

i hate that i have to study to understand these specifics

[junior needle]

25% finesse on stats

should translate to 25% weakspot/crit damage

[balmy flume]

My fellow Vets.
Do you find yourself placing heavy emphasis on counter-Snipers if there is a skullburst Psyker in the team? Or do you just prioritise enemies as normal?

Just want to improve my decision making in game lol

[umbral scaffold]

i usually just aim to shoot things as i spaz around with a knife

[supple stag]

Usually I am by myself on sniper duty, but I'd say just murder the sniper, less annoyance

[balmy flume]

Thx.
Managed to build a nice MGIa Lasgun, might end up using that because I tend to like the ACOG scope for hitting snipers.
Other weapons are well good, but still have trouble quickly downing snipers come Auric Maelstrom (for myself. Yes skill issue, but my eyes are probably screaming in age by now lol)

[supple stag]

If I see a sniper, specials, pack of gunners, I either melee or blast them

Don't think too much about it

[balmy flume]

Thanks

[supple stag]

Go into the mindset of babysitter and try to take care of most threats, keep in mind not to bite more than you can chew however

[vivid silo]

The Plasma got a increase of it's "Finesse Modifier" from 20% to 50%, but that just made the weakspot/crit damage boost go from ~10% increase to ~25% increase. This game and it's insane way of calculating things...

[umbral scaffold]

how do you see the list of weapon finesse properties?

[vivid silo]

No idea, I just went off the patch notes Fatshark gave

M35 Magnacore Mk II Plasma Gun
● Finesse Modifier:
○ 20% to 50%.

[junior needle]

I assume the "finesse modifier" in this context works like a separate application of finesse damage instead of an increase in the base values

Also agree

Did you know that separate types of melee attacks have different base damage?

[supple stag]

Wouldn't be surprised if it works like Crit Power in Verm

[junior needle]

On the same weapon

[vivid silo]

Aye, the way this game describes things makes me want to pull out my hair. Thank the Emperor I'm balding so there isn't much left!

[vivid silo]

That makes sense, but the fact that we are even having to discuss this is flat out silly

[agile yew]

Some people getting really busy, im still below 3k penance points and probably looking at something like that towards end of the year if even then

[balmy flume]

Lore accurate drop trooper, I can respect that.

[vague smelt]

Explain this newbie drop trooper

[balmy flume]

The Lasgun pattern you chose is the actual Lasgun pattern used by the Elysian Drop Troopers (the drip you using)

[vague smelt]

Well I think the lasgun pattern came with the whole set

On the same page

So...I think that was intended

[balmy flume]

Ah ok

Yes most likely intended then

[keen skiff]

is the recon lazgun bugged? my friend says it is doing really good in the meatgrinder dmg wise

[tall torrent]

No & no

[keen skiff]

huh.

thanks

[tall torrent]

What exactly is “doing rly good in meat grinder dmg wise”

[keen skiff]

'they go down fast'

your guess is as good as mine, hes very vague

[tall torrent]

Well, overall low dps isn’t helping that the abysmal maniac dmg rly hurts

[crude fiber]

Meatgrinder should only be used to to see breakpoints imo. Shouldn't be used to judge a weapons potential in a real game

[hearty panther]

it does show you its hypothetical best

since the enemies are standing still and all

[arctic rampart]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/25

[hearty panther]

youll notice that it can kill pretty quickly but if you can't track targets in game then it wont translate into gameplay

[slow spade]

Recon user moment

[vague smelt]

No lol

[keen skiff]

lmao real

[arctic rampart]

There's lots of clips that were awesome to watch like some dude spawning 100+ snipers in the meat grinder and going at it ... I Just tried to find it but failed. Damn

Anyway with the creature spawner mod you can make it pretty challenging and even ridiculous. Then you'll know not to use recon lasgun except to challenge yourself. Kind of like using a "sharp" spoon instead of a knife to cut things.

[vague smelt]

I like the recon las

well

only the VIIa

[arctic rampart]

I love it, it sounds awesome and zapzapzap bzzzt! But it is underpowered....

[tall torrent]

@junior needle I asked kuli abt Zealot’s Duellist talent and essentially:

On its own, it functions very similarly to what “+50% finesse dmg” would have done, but the game considers it as separate from “finesse” in dmg calculation

So if you have something that already boosts finesse, like Precognition (knife) which is +60% finesse at IV, stacking Duellist on top of that can reach absurd amounts of dmg

This still only works best with high finesse weapons with crit focus

Ex: knife H1 crit weakspot hit deals ~680 dmg to Scab Rager
With Precognition IV active, this raises to ~980 dmg
With both Precognition IV and Duellist active, this raises to 1400+ dmg

[hearty panther]

its hard to balance. maybe one day

[vague smelt]

I know there's...better options...Columnus exist, Plasma gun exist and things

but

Idk

Why having 30 weapons when you'll only use 5

[hearty panther]

recon las still has its own unique vibe

[vague smelt]

I don't know I really like them

[soft solstice]

Recon las is fun as a SMG equivalent but it’s just sorely lacking

[hearty panther]

all SMG equivalents are tbh

columnus is kinda close but its a bit too 'heavy'

its just hard to balance high rof weps

[soft solstice]

It’s more of a bullet hose while recon las is more all around SMGs, like recon is an mp5 while Columbus is like a uzi/mac 10 but more recoil than spread

[hearty panther]

i view columnus as more of a colt commando

[vague smelt]

Well every Las gun has 0 recoil

[hearty panther]

not really an smg just an assault rifle made small

[soft solstice]

I like the Columbus a lot, it’s my go too volley fire weapon

[vague smelt]

I like columnus but I'd like to not rely only on IAGs

For the sake of fun

[crude fiber]

been using the agripina IAG for the 2500 marksmen focus kills. get 10 stacks and dump into hoards

[midnight totem]

Better method

Get 10 stacks, frag grenade hordes

[soft solstice]

I don’t think I’ve used a non Columbus IAG in a long time, I just like the ammo and fire rate on it a lot. Trying to control the recoil is rough but it’s doable so you can shred shooters and gunners

[hearty panther]

im just bored of the high performing weapons lul

[soft solstice]

Lawbringer special works too

[hollow ibex]

it's not too bad at all, considering how beastly the gun is

[soft solstice]

Load a special shot, hip fire a horde, get max stacks

And the buff to how long it takes for stacks to drain helps it a lot, and boosted reload speed makes loading the special shell faster too

[crude fiber]

Anyone complete 500 armored krak kills yet? Or know which enemies count? Im assuming all ogryn and maulers bit I wanna know if I stick a scab rager if that count too

[tall torrent]

I finished it alrdy

You can krak basically any enemy that says “flak” when u hit them with DOT in meat grinder and it’ll count

Any flak body armored enemy

[crude fiber]

i have the perfect meme shotty for it

[tall torrent]

The optimal strategy is to get a bunch of scab shooters in a small group and krak stick them

(Yes that’s exactly how krak is not supposed to be used)

[crude fiber]

twinned blast meta incoming?!

[hollow ibex]

ngl didn't even realize you could stick on krak on shooters

never tried

[midnight totem]

It prioritizes carapace

[crude fiber]

it seeks carapace but will also stick to flak and unyieldiing

[tall torrent]

Not needed, just get demo stockpile + demo team + grenadier

3 krak is pretty useful for this penance

[midnight totem]

Scab maelstrom melee enemies only

[soft solstice]

It just takes awhile of waiting for kraks to come back and having enemies to use it on

Shame since I absolutely had over 500 krak armor kills before the patch drops

[crude fiber]

this is super useful for pysker penances

[vague smelt]

Krak is such a funny grenade

[tall torrent]

I also finished zealot’s backstab penances last night

Both loner backstab and stealth backstab

Only have fire grenade penance left for zealot

Then moving onto psyker

[hollow ibex]

also updated guide release wen

[tall torrent]

penance grinding too fun

I’m thinking of updating the weapon page format to separate weapon variants into different pages

[hollow ibex]

gib me early access to the guide 🥺

[tall torrent]

I also have the issue of visual artifacts with charts

Not sure how I’ll go abt that

[hollow ibex]

visual artifacts?

[tall torrent]

Like some times chart lines look blurry

And even when I remove borders it’s still there

[hollow ibex]

maybe just a webpage rendering issue 🤔

[vague smelt]

What melee would go well with recon las

[magic dust]

axe

[hollow ibex]

something that can carry you hard

[vague smelt]

Axes huh

[hollow ibex]

like rashad or power sword

[vague smelt]

Power sword does not have much mobility

[tall torrent]

It’s in MS word itself

[hollow ibex]

oh lol, thought you were working in the online version of office

[somber axle]

Depends tbh. If you do my clown build then really anything tbh though something with solid horde clear will feel nice. If you do not do my build then you want something with anti-armour for sure. You need something that can kill Crushers reliably when you need to

[magic dust]

I honestly don't get the fuss behind the power sword. It's so clunky to use it gives me an aneurysm

[tall torrent]

It looks like this

[hollow ibex]

you don't need to like it, but it's still hell of a weapon

[somber axle]

A recon without my build will not kill Crushers

[vague smelt]

Monitorum shovel?

VII?

[hollow ibex]

i've seen a similar issue in word, but it goes away after zooming in and out

[tall torrent]

I’ve done that before but it just shows on different parts of the table lol

[noble zinc]

It goes hard with the right blessings.

[hollow ibex]

prob just a word bug

[somber axle]

OH the VIIa ok then yeah you want something to take care of Crushers. It's a very fun weapon tbh and feels a lot like a Kantrael IV but you don't need an autoclicker because the gun is its own autoclicker. Tbh you could probably just run krak grenades with it and be fine

[magic dust]

I have it with the right blessings and I've tried to love it but can't

[tall torrent]

I’m considering retiring tables if I can

[vague smelt]

I don't think it's a bad weapon at all

[tall torrent]

Or maybe re-doing whole thing in excel

Excel seems simpler tbh

[hollow ibex]

oh god not excel

i have a personal grudge against excel

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

It is not a bad weapon imo. The Recon Mk VIIa is a very fun weapon and is very good at killing all specials and elites except for Crushers

[tall torrent]

If the imperium had excel they’d have beaten abbaddon long ago

Might try it

I think with excel all talents are just gonna be 1 big page

Instead of being split over multiple pages

[frail topaz]

Literally me if I’m not running plasma vet

Krak nades for them

[somber axle]

I've been loving Krak lately just because my Loose Cannon yells "STICKY SURPRISE!! ... Ugh. That sounds wrong, doesn't it?" when you throw a Krak Grenade sometimes

I laugh every time

[wanton dawn]

If the imperium had excel it would have been ban after the dark age of technology

Srsly though, if you have question on Excel I might be able to help

[tall torrent]

I’m considering switching

Not fully decided

Main thing with word is that I want to fit 1 thing per page

[crude fiber]

Give Guiliman excel and we'd return to the golden age in a century

[wanton dawn]

I don't think Excel will makes your life easier for presentation though

Compared to word

[wanton dawn]

Please do not make me nerd out about Excel

[crude fiber]

When are they gonna let us full load a shotgun with special shells. Just hold your special button to keep loading them. Love the way lawbringer special sounds, wanna spam it so bad

[slow spade]

If you plug in your cybernetic augments, Excel converts your soul into VBA UwU

[wanton dawn]

Breaking w40k news: reference to VBA tooling as "Ai-powered intelligence" makes the administratum very mad

[slow spade]

The promotion to Archmagos in the Adeptus Mechanicus is simply opening Excel settings and enabling the dev ribbon UwU

"The Fabricator General has authorized emergency production. Record Macro has been enabled. May the Omnissiah forgive this use of the Abominable Intelligence"

[balmy flume]

Welcome to the “Krak Addict” club.
I will show myself out.

[somber axle]

It's also just a nice tool to have for boss damage, deleting bulwarks and deleting crushers

Or throwing at a pile of 10 maulers and seeing how many you get with krak bowling

[balmy flume]

The thing is, if you get lucky with someone running nade gen (be it yourself or other vets/classes with the nodes), you can also time multiples throws carefully for maximum armour carnage in Auric

[wanton dawn]

We were fool. We though we knew what we were doing. But now we are dealing with all sort of Power™ we do not understand.

[proven plaza]

did hestia just get defeated by VLOOKUP?

[fair river]

Warp traveller single handedly making mercantile my favorite map in Darktide as usual

Wait fuck

No video?

https://streamable.com/8nangs

[faint beacon]

Krak grenade vs the Scab Rager horde

Shit is stupid effective against Scab Rager hordes

[somber axle]

I haven't thrown it at them tbh. I thought it only sticks to Carapace?

I know it can stick to Reaper arms, Mauler Heads and Crusher anythings

or is it like timing it right with a throw to catch them in the blast as they run over it?

[hollow turtle]

It doesn't stick to them, just lands at their feet and while they're kind of stuck globbed together, it's going to kill a few of them.

Did it yesterday, but when there's a good dozen or so mixed in with the stupid melee flagrants, and everyone else is dead, 3 krak isn't going to do much. 😔

[somber axle]

Ah ok so like dodge backward and underhand lob a krak as the ragers are going slow-mode when the begin their attack animations so they all end up clumped together and sit still long enough for the krak to wipe them

[hollow turtle]

Yup.

[gilded wraith]

That would require me remembering how to underhand throw.

[somber axle]

I underhand throw by default unless I'm trying to sink a krak on a bulwark/crusher/mauler across a room

Infiltrate underhanding shredders without breaking stealth taught me underhand always

[wanton dawn]

Krak throw are weird

[frank cove]

Is there a spreadsheet/document that has preferred builds for all the weapons?

[somber axle]

Yeah check pins

numbers cat made a guide there but they're working on a newer version

OH WAIT

you mean TALENT builds

afaik no

[icy orchid]

Is it just me or are there more undergeared, undertrained players in auric mael thesedays?

[somber axle]

guide in pins does a detailed breakdown of all the talents + what they do and how good they are to pick up

OH NEAT

Krak sticks to flak and unyielding too