veteran-class

[junior needle]

Powder is a nono

Absolutely not

[faint beacon]

I’d have to check what mine was

[river wraith]

time to get back to grinding plasteel

i love plasteel cant get enough

[junior needle]

powderburn only works on suppressable enemies, which is only certain ranged units

[river wraith]

diamantine can burn in hell i have too much of it

[faint beacon]

We love plasters

[faint beacon]

Explains why it only works with very few builds

[junior needle]

Any build with powderburn would be better served with another blessing

[faint beacon]

“Works”

[junior needle]

It only works in very few circumstances to be more precise, the build is largely superfluous

You can more suppression but uh

[idle swallow]

Powderburn is basically a bait that tries to lure you in with a big number but it turns out it was trash all along

[junior needle]

Mhm

[idle swallow]

At least with raking fire you have no illusion about its applicability

[faint beacon]

That and raking fire + Maniacs actually does something against enemies you experience more

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/nakedgun-missyou-missher-gif-24990436

[faint beacon]

Cough cough mutants and ragers

[near sable]

give me back instant reload vet ult

[hearty panther]

ok its now a node attached to stealth

ur welcome

[near sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778137620072890379/804678751823593502/image0.gif

[last parcel]

me when I'm sucking on the poxburstussy

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-dreadnought-the-red-dread-shut-gif-6707359205527736195

[midnight totem]

theres a fucking racist in my mourningstar lobby

[viscid sparrow]

btw, which melees are decently versatile enough to pair with Columbus IAG?

[midnight totem]

I'm going to see if I can get in a game with him

blow up a barrel near him

[trim steppe]

Rashad is a good one, chainsword, good ol powersword, shovel. CIAG is pretty op so you got lots of options. If you pick a melee with less clear potential, pair with shredder frags, and if it's got good clear but weaker armor kill then pair with kraks

[agile forge]

I think you can report that shit to fatshark

[trim steppe]

Rashad is my favorite pick but it's hard to get a good one. Same with powersword to a lesser extent. I might suggest chainsword and take kraks for crushers

[midnight totem]

hes gone, logged off

but good to know

[agile forge]

Power Sword VI is the safest bet if you want to be able to kill crushers and hordes equally well

I'd say the shovel 7 is another good versatile choice to be able to avoid needing to rely on an expensive krak habit

[midnight totem]

.. heh krak habit

[agile forge]

Rashad... I want a rashad lmao.

[trim steppe]

Yeah but you need power cycler and the mobility is bad. Shovel 7 is great but then your build will have low horde clear, so taking shredder frags would be smart

[agile forge]

I am incapable of rolling an acceptable one

Shovel 7 isn't so bad on horde clear tbh

[arctic rampart]

rashad on vet makes me sad. I'd much rather rashad on zealot...

[agile forge]

thrust/uncanny makes it pretty good

[trim steppe]

I FINALLY got a godroll after looking for like 4 months lol

[agile forge]

and yeah take shredders

[trim steppe]

It's awesome tho once you do get one, so damn good

[brisk oxide]

PS mobility is bad but it's also fine imo

[arctic rampart]

ps mobility is fine if you go weapon specialist.. its pretty subpar especially dodge distance without

[brisk oxide]

i run it with WS but even still 10% more dodge isnt much

you basically end up with normal dodge i guess?

[arctic rampart]

have you run PS without weapon specialist since you tried it in that setup? I think I did 2 games without lul

[brisk oxide]

No, i only run WS with no nodes past it on vet

knife is crazy on vet but i just love PS, so satisfying to just BM through elites and hordes

one shotting mutants and 2-3 shotting crushers is cool too

[molten hound]

i wonder if i should just take krak and fire team on revolver vet instead of shredder and survivalist

[brisk oxide]

personally i think survivalist is still the best

fire team isn't really gonna do anything for you on revolver either

[arctic rampart]

yes, survivalist is still better. I think it may stack with other veteran survivalist now (not confirmed)

[molten hound]

yeah the nerf isnt bad it just isnt egregiously overpowered

[white minnow]

it's 10% longer and faster dodges which is quite appreciable

[molten hound]

i think going fireteam and krak gives you one extra point to spend on a comfort talent

which i would probably put into iron will

[brisk oxide]

i've started running demo team with frag grenades and really been enjoying it

like if a dog pack comes that's basically the same as a grenade pickup

[arctic rampart]

iron will is very much not a "free point". this is required

[brisk oxide]

yeah i always take IW

it prevents so much chip health damage over a mission

also especially with the survivalist nerf getting more free grenades is appreciable

[midnight totem]

I use the extra point from infil fireteam vet

[brisk oxide]

i be throwing em instead of shooting my plasma gun often

[midnight totem]

Toss it in agile engagement

Goes excellent with weapon specialist

[brisk oxide]

agile engagement is a top tier node

just cant work it into my builds

[molten hound]

i can play without it but it sucks ass

i dunno where to make a cut in my build to get it in there

[midnight totem]

What's your build?

[brisk oxide]

also with plasma gun and power sword agile engagement doesn't do as much

just due to the breakpoints

[midnight totem]

Oh you're running plasma gun and survivalist. Fair enough

That is extremely node heavy

[brisk oxide]

it is, yeah

[arctic rampart]

vet layout is trash having to take multiple points to get something like 1 point agile engage. you have to go middle tree for iron will, you will go left tree for superiority complex, you pretty much have to go VoC unless you're playing wanna-be-zealot knife spec.. and then who cares what points you put in anyway ... get more smoke bombs to make yourself more invisible? I kid

[molten hound]

yeah i agree

[brisk oxide]

vet at least is spoiled for choice

[molten hound]

it has good talents but theyre spread out all over the place

[brisk oxide]

psyker has like, two builds

you take the same nodes every time

[arctic rampart]

zealot has 3 specs

[molten hound]

with zealot you can follow 1 or 2 paths and get everything you want

[midnight totem]

Melee infil vet has very high dps, wouldn't call it a wannabe

[brisk oxide]

vet just has -too many- good nodes so you have to give some up

[arctic rampart]

infil vet is the same category as knife zealot. the good ones are amazing (huge ceiling) but the floor.. we all know about the floor of that spec

[brisk oxide]

yeah i've seen people go crazy with all kinds of specs so you never know, but experience tells you that most people aren't that guy

i run VoC/PS/PG meta build because i know i'm only okay on auric

[near sable]

[arctic rampart]

the ones that can do well with infil knife vet are the same ones that can do well with a toothpick and no point allocation

[brisk oxide]

exactly

[molten hound]

is revolver vet playable without volley adept

never tried

[brisk oxide]

i lost my 5/5 auric mael yesterday after picking up some guys running like, shield taunt ogryn and crusher zealot

[regal aurora]

118th power sword, no power cycler IV

[molten hound]

crusher zealot is ok

[brisk oxide]

just never seen someone do well with those so i'm like ehh

[molten hound]

just not as good as knife

[brisk oxide]

well yeah exactly

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-smile-creepy-creepy-smile-smirk-gif-24584761

[brisk oxide]

if you're godlike, then run whatever you want who cares

but if you're worse than me you should probably be doing something meta

[regal aurora]

I'm going to hit 300 before they rework the crafting system to not be gambling.

[arctic rampart]

I dunno why they didn't fix crafting this patch, that would have been some nice news

like let poor Oogar get his PS4 for 2000 plasteel or something

[regal aurora]

They are just a small indie dev studio and they've never made a game before, trust.

[last parcel]

yeah, mostly if you take the first left subnode of weapon specialist to autoreload

[near sable]

in the words of the trailer of this videogame:
"when" they rework the crafting system.. if they rework the crafting system

[regal aurora]

let me spend my 30,000 diamantine for it for the love of the emprah

[arctic rampart]

haha yeah good point

I got so much damned plasteel even now, my limiter is dockets

[brisk oxide]

so funny that they didn't realize that the plasteel/diamantine economy made no sense

[arctic rampart]

spend another 2M, still zero 550s... grumble

[midnight totem]

Revolver vet is playable even without any reload talents

[brisk oxide]

what does revolver vet bring to the table over plasma vet? less node hungry?

[midnight totem]

You can easily reload cancel I between dodging

[regal aurora]

Even with the extra 200~ or so from the new puzzles and the idols it's still not enough to offset the sheeer amount of diamantine we all have.

[midnight totem]

Style and accuracy

[arctic rampart]

@brisk oxide nothing. ok its more mobile. but its less effective. some do like it a lot more though

[brisk oxide]

isn't plasma 100% accurate?

[regal aurora]

spent 500,000 ordos the other day and got one 350+.

[brisk oxide]

i do think agile engagement revolver vet with WS could be a thing

[arctic rampart]

it goes through your ogryn teammates ass! what else can you want

[brisk oxide]

yeah the ogryn teammate penetration of plasma is so fucking good

[sharp epoch]

i think every weapon is 100% accurate

[brisk oxide]

gamechanger

[sharp epoch]

except agripinna

[brisk oxide]

the ogryn stubbers aren't i think

[arctic rampart]

plasma accuracy is earned.. dont ever ads or charge it. just hip shot it twice, then hit the cooldown button once.. repeat

[supple stag]

If you don't like plasma or don't use it out of principle, but still want a hard hitting weapon, revolver is a thing

[sharp epoch]

ads is usually accurate its the recoil thats gets you

[midnight totem]

It's like 95 percent accurate. I know I've occasionally tried to clip somebody behind cover or something and it does nothing and hits the wall in front or something

[brisk oxide]

i actually do think there are a couple enemies you charge plasma on. i know that's heretical to say

but dreg gunners and a couple other guys i can't one shot with normal fire

[midnight totem]

You need max unarmored for dredge gunners

[brisk oxide]

disclaimer: i am on xbox and it's less work to fire one shot than reposition after they fall over

actually i have flak and i can't one shot scab gunners on a non crit either

[arctic rampart]

you can 1 shot dreg gunners.. you need 50% crit to crit, longshot, superiority complex, blaze away rolling though.. I think mine has 10% elites damage atm for funzies too

[brisk oxide]

oh yeah if you take the two range based + damage nodes, for sure

i don't like those though so i dont take em

[midnight totem]

Anyway, revolver IS faster to pull out, reload, and snap a shot off. It's more mobile as well. Is it stronger? Not necessarily

[arctic rampart]

I was taking rending instead of longshot I think it works with that too..

[midnight totem]

Use what you like, and what suits you

[brisk oxide]

yeah maybe i'll try and make a plasma gun that can one shot a little more often

one shotting gunners on a normal noncrit would be huge

[vocal cipher]

hellbore and headhunter can do it too

[arctic rampart]

revolver seems better on zealot

[brisk oxide]

i can't use the hellbore on console, sights are too bad

[midnight totem]

There is no gun thats better on zealot if vet has access to it

Except maybe autopistol shenanigans

[arctic rampart]

plasma & IAF are super strong might as well use those. or be a pew pew pew lasgun goon

[brisk oxide]

zealot does at least get a +25% damage buff for a one node investment

so they get a ton of gun value for one point

plus 20% into unyielding+infested for the next one

i run basically exclusively columnus on zealot

[midnight totem]

My favorite ranged weapon when not revolvering though

Is my vraks 3 headhunter

[arctic rampart]

zealot gets emp bullet trait option 30% impact / 10% attack speed for 5s after emptying your revolver . kind of fun to pair with zerona

[brisk oxide]

stacking attack speed on zealot goes pretty hard

ATK speed has gotta be the single best melee damage buff you can get

since there's so many enemies where other buffs won't increase your TTK but attack speed will increase the speed of kills

[split sapphire]

The game still feel laggy guys?

[arctic rampart]

you can try 537.58 @split sapphire it is proven to have very much less 1% lows than other drivers. see the top comment in here (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1c5g77o/game_ready_studio_driver_55222_faqdiscussion/). its a considerably old driver though, so some games and even some cards (4000 supers) don't work with it.

[split sapphire]

Uh

I'm on console, not pc

[arctic rampart]

Then I wish you good luck, no idea lul.

[strange root]

ok I've got kind of a weird puzzle for "which weapons to sacrifice and take the perks off to put on the other weapon" that I'd appreciate second thoughts on

I'm pretty sure I want that wrath 4 and rampage 4 on the same sword, right

do I just sacrifice both of those and put them on the 378 total? And just deal with the fact that it's got +2 stamina and weakspot damage, instead of anti-flak or something

or do I just sacrifice the rampage 4, put it on the 376 total with 78% damage, so I can swap one of the perks to something decent

[tall torrent]

Works

Unyielding is alr, swap sprint efficiency to flak

Rev it up -> rampage
Sprint eff -> flak

First one harvest shred

[strange root]

seems smart

[tall torrent]

Last one harvest rampage

[loud zenith]

I'd like to reset my Vet's personality as in the long run I found the Professional too arrogant with a stick up her arse.
From what I can gather on Youtube, the Loose Cannon personality antagonizes everybody.
The cut-throat, I can't find much on their sort of voice-lines but I figure they're just as wildly antagonistic...
I can't think of a good match for my headcanon's version of my vet, whom I play as basically a goofball Letterkenny hockey player. 🤔

[last spear]

Loose Cannon has some very funny voicelines, if you want jokes, then I recommend that personality

Def having fun listening to him

[loud zenith]

I'm leaning towards that at the moment. One selling point was on TVtropes which pointed out that Loose Cannon is one of the few personalities in the entire game that likes the Psyker.

[last spear]

He also tends to forget like the codes for the enemies, so he often ends up saying the wrong number or just says like "just shoot it!"

He also swears a lot

[candid agate]

cutthroat is for based cadia lovers

[tall torrent]

Professional and cutthroat have doubts about psykers, cutthroat shows it more

Loose cannon is very unserious with everyone

[candid agate]

he also has the best voc voice lines

[loud zenith]

So it looks like Loose Cannon is the ticket. 🙂

Vet's a good class for when I don't feel like speaking with a foreign accent on voicechat 🤪

[last spear]

You'll have fun

[last parcel]

STICKY SURPRISE

[halcyon jackal]

I swear to God the loose cannon flirts with the savant

[loud zenith]

I'd rather flirt with the French-accent psyker. 😏

[halcyon jackal]

...That's the savant

[untold mulch]

LC is amazing

though Cutthroat VoC lines are raw as warp

CLOSE. KILL. AND DO IT AGAIN!

[halcyon jackal]

I like cutthroat a lot

My first lvl30 was a female cutthroat named Ferra

Cutthroat also sounds great with the scion helmet

[idle swallow]

Cutthroat lady vet puts in an admirable effort but man the male VA is raw af

[candid agate]

lady cutthroat doesnt have that ptsd enduced anger male has

she seems like a grumpy grandma

[halcyon jackal]

Nah she got that ptsd-induced psychotic apathy

[candid agate]

lol 2 different kinds of mentally unstable murderers

[halcyon jackal]

One cutthroat is always angry, the other is always just kinda barely making it through

[crude fiber]

\hold up did they reduce this things recoil? it feels much easier to land the 2nd shot in a burst

[candid agate]

maybe

tbh i hope we get new voices like a veteran who is just undoubtly loyal to the imperium but doesnt have a lot of faith in the emperor

[loud zenith]

Oh, oops! Then which one was the one speaking with a "insufferable mad scientist" vibe?

[candid agate]

the beloved one?

[halcyon jackal]

Loner

The german-sounding one?

[loud zenith]

Yes. The one with the superior intellect.

[halcyon jackal]

Incomparable mind

He gets less insufferable as he levels up, goes from pompous ass to kinda likeable in a smarmy sort of way

[vernal harbor]

been saying this for years but they won’t listen 🤦‍♂️

[faint beacon]

I’m a solid believer of

KILL THE KARKERS!

[faint beacon]

Your 80% Stability might be coming into play with that tbh

[untold mulch]

I play LC with Infiltrate

but the other that I usually play goes with VoC and Cutthroat

and godemperor damn

I said it before

the yell could give no buff

and just the raw energy of the VA gives me a push

[vernal harbor]

Cutthroat owns that ability for sure

[untold mulch]

SIR YES SIR

[faint beacon]

I’ll give you that LC’s Infiltrate lines are damn good, I do also enjoy his Exe Stance quotes

“Hold Still Heretic!”

[untold mulch]

Special mention to professional

FOR THE GOLDEN FRAGGING THRONE!

[vernal harbor]

I just clutched a maelstrom like they were pearls and it was 3 vets including me and my friend a pysker but they had stance and infiltrate and they complimented my clutch and I thanked them

But in discord I told my friend “they’ll only use VoC now that they’ve seen true power. 👹

[untold mulch]

To em infiltrate is thr clutch mode

[winter grove]

"Karking surprise coming right up"

[vernal harbor]

I’ve had awful luck with teammates using it

I’m convinced the general public doesn’t know what the fuck it does

[untold mulch]

I once had a match where the entire latter half of the assasination one

[spice osprey]

I LOVE loose cannon voice lines for veteran

[untold mulch]

Everyone kept dying

[spice osprey]

"PUT THE KARKIN' BOOT IN!"

[untold mulch]

I clutched 3 times in that match

Each clutch 5+ minutes

Was sweating

[spice osprey]

"NO DYIN' TILL I SAY SO!"

[untold mulch]

Qt the end

[faint beacon]

Professional imo is the good neutral base of a Veteran

[last parcel]

praxis 9 alpha lookin ass

[spice osprey]

Loose Cannon is like a borderlands side-character, and that's why I love it

[iron silo]

Praise the Emperor

I can use an actual grenade again

[winter grove]

Probably

Infiltrate can be used just to stun horde on demand

And get some juicy buffs like 50% TDR

[faint beacon]

He fits the Hive ganger stereotype so that’s why I chose him lmao

Completely unserious the entire time

[iron silo]

🤔

how important is stopping power really?

[loud zenith]

That was the one regarding damage versus armor, right?

Usually I put Mobility as the dump stat on guns.

[faint beacon]

Stopping power does help with Flak

[winter grove]

Yeah nah it ain't worth it

[topaz lance]

I hope VoC gets a big fat nerf, it's a crutch

[faint beacon]

If it were to get nerfed should be CD

[spice osprey]

I chose Hive Ganger for my loose cannon as well lol

[faint beacon]

Cause I’ll admit the Golden toughness every 20 seconds with only 10 seconds downtime is pretty fucking insane

[faint beacon]

Though to be fair the Chorus on Zealot is extremely strong as well

I have a strong feeling professional is going to be 3rd

[last parcel]

professional is white bread

[faint beacon]

I respect the usage of professional

[modest elk]

what knife is the best

[faint beacon]

But I’ll admit Cutthroat and LC are polar opposites

Which is probably why they gain more traction

[modest elk]

what knifffeee

[faint beacon]

One is extremely serious 24/7 the other jokes 90% of the time

[faint beacon]

Crowd Control or Special killing

[modest elk]

special killing

[faint beacon]

Mk3

Mk3 blade would be good

[junior needle]

Hope so, there was no reason to ever take it before

[junior needle]

If you want to light spam, objectively the 3.

If you want to use heavies, the 6

heavy weaving on the 6 gets you slightly better clear than light spam on the 3

[brisk oxide]

i swapped to cutthroat, he just has much cooler VoC lines

[hollow turtle]

I'm a professional, but I'm also considering switching.

[idle swallow]

What no traxis something something?

[hollow turtle]

I don't hear a lot of Cadian dialogue anymore.

[brisk oxide]

i've actually never heard the LC talk about it much

[last parcel]

me when i hit that bastion 2 20 combat stance

[grizzled pebble]

No smoke is the best.

[brisk oxide]

new smoke is okay imo

[magic trout]

Any build for karnak twins hard mode?

[brisk oxide]

but ive kind of had the galaxy brained idea of simply throwing frags at whatever is making me need smoke

ie a gunner pack or we

[faint beacon]

I tend to toss smokes behind the team as a retreat to cover option

Usually when there’s a bunch of shooters

Or gunners

Etc

[brisk oxide]

you can throw them on top of yourself as well

works pretty well

[tame lodge]

That works, but the more you play the more you notice when smokes are useful

[trim steppe]

Field provisions is a great talent for that fight cuz you give Ogryn nades and clear corruption

[tame lodge]

For example

[brisk oxide]

ive kind of used them like psyker bubbles to shoot out of

but yeah i do end a lot of missions having hardly used any

vs frag i will throw like 3-5 per fight

[idle swallow]

kush vet bringing those top tier zaza nades

[tame lodge]

Archivum Sycorax, going down those stairs, gunner's paradise

[midnight totem]

these fucking teams

[magic trout]

Now i need an ogryn to join the team lol 😂

[trim steppe]

Been a while since I did that fight but Ogryn tend to help the most and psykers tend to help the least. Vet and zealot both do some good work clearing specials and popping mines

[magic trout]

against group of gunners 👌🏽

[midnight totem]

god my life sucks

made it to 13 flawless execution runs

half of those were aurics

[magic trout]

You can pop the mines? 😮

[midnight totem]

dropped down to damnation, swapped to ogryn to get some penances done

and the teams I joined couldn't fight their way out of malice

[magic trout]

almost 1000 hrs and i dindt realize that you can do it

[trim steppe]

By getting close to trigger them but moving fast enough not to get caught by them. Using some high mobility talents and weapons (like knife zealot)

[magic trout]

now i get it, i tend do that

[trim steppe]

My successful Karnak HM runs usually had someone zooming around and keeping the number of mines under control

[faint beacon]

I’ve never been able to beat HM Twins

Usually last second drop when we’re about to kill them

That or completely unorganized team

So I’ve just had HM Twins as a “do dead last” type of thing

[trim steppe]

I never did it with a quick play, always needed a pre built discord group with comms

It's a hard fight

And dead weight hurts bad

[faint beacon]

Shield Ogryn with a taunt

I feel like Is a fucking must

So they can tank Ridna

Whilst everyone else deals with Rodin

[somber axle]

I've been told that the AI director watches how effective a group is and adjusts accordingly so like an Auric level player smashing their way through Damnation probably ups the difficulty a bit beyond what the normal Damnation player may be used to. I've had some funny matches where some players are like "is this auric why are there so many ragers and crushers" and the AI director is just non-stop flooding us with Nurgle's funniest

[trim steppe]

My best run was support vet picking off the elites and boosting toughness, knife zealot popping mines and hitting bosses, shield Ogryn taunting bosses, and then shovel/ripper Ogryn just focusing the shields. Worked great

[magic trout]

Yeah, we tried without and ogryn and we barely survive 30 seconds...
witn an ogryn there is big difference

[somber axle]

But also like post-update we've got new/returning players who are throwing themselves feet first into hell and they're still learning/adjusting

for both regular Damnation and Auric

[faint beacon]

But yeah I need to eventually do it on HM

[faint beacon]

Seriously we went from dying instantly to dying from fuck ups at the end BECAUSE of shield Ogryn

[midnight totem]

that so?

[idle swallow]

I somehow did HM twins in a pub which was insane that it happened now that I think about it

[faint beacon]

I don’t like shitting on new players but that explains the level 20s in fucking MAELSTROM

[magic trout]

i have joined many teams with low levels chars on damnation/maelstrom thinking that they dont need the perks and the equipment

[faint beacon]

You’ve been blessed

[magic trout]

Emperor has his favorites... 😭

[somber axle]

you can kinda tell an experienced player leveling a new class vs a new player joining the game partially by portraits/outfits/banners but also you'll feel it as soon as you hit matches even if you're not running Scoreboard tbh

low level characters into regular Damnation are fine if you're consistently clearing because mechanical skill will carry past weaker gear/missing talents but a new player still adjusting and not entirely aware of target priotity, melee fundamentals, map awareness or situational awareness is going to struggle

I've had matches with level 15s that went very smooth and some matches with all level 30s that felt very stressful and required a lot of solo clutching to push out a win

[faint beacon]

Idk if any of you can back me up with this

But I genuinely think the Tox Bomber is the highest priority target

[serene bough]

not really imo

[magic trout]

In my experience i have never found a player like this

[idle swallow]

It was two chorus zealots, a cracked plasma gun vet and me as taunt shieldgryn as the random comp for what it's worth

[faint beacon]

I’ve had a lot of matches go sour cause they buff every single unit

So I immediately hunt them down

[somber axle]

Tox Bomber is definitely up there for me but #1 priority is always trappers/hounds because in quickplay people may not know you can just bait out the trapper net and dodge it or just shove the dodge before/during pounce to stop it

[faint beacon]

With extreme prejudice

[magic trout]

highest!

[somber axle]

plus a lot of quickplay people are slow on rescues for dogs/nets so I try to focus them down ASAP

[junior needle]

Redditors view on recon: If you don't see how good the gun is at shooting into melee chaffe you're bad

[faint beacon]

Tox Buffed Hounds and Mutants

Are fucking horrifying

No actually

Tox buffed bursters

[somber axle]

Tox Buffed Muties are my fav LMFAO

[idle swallow]

has to be bait my mind can't handle the alternative

[trim steppe]

Explains why I'm getting recon vets blasting into hordes and being at orange/red ammo all friggin match

[magic trout]

ogryn is on a ramapage!

[trim steppe]

Bursters are actually very low for me, I just make sure I have some stamina if I hear one. I'll deal with it when it's close. The main priority is bombers followed by trappers

[somber axle]

LMFAO someone got gaslit into believing spraying ammo into hordes is worth
just melee
the only time I care to spray into poxwalkers is

1. Excess of ammo and the match is drowning my team in it (very rare and usually only with 2 staff Psyker no gunlugger Ogryn)
2. Carnival map arena when I'm sprinting at a gate to close it and slide-shooting to clear the 4 poxwalkers that hopped out so I can close the gate faster

there's really no reason to waste ammo on hordes

[trim steppe]

But my real answer is I'm mostly focused on NOT STANDING NEAR AN EFFING BARREL I swear that 90% of my deaths are from barrels launching me into the void

[somber axle]

I had a funny Zealot who would wait until team mates were standing next to barrels before shooting them and blowing them up

the first time I thought it was an accident but then it happened like 5 times in the first couple minutes of the match

he was too close one time and sailed over the edge to his death

quickplay makes for the funniest moments

[trim steppe]

Yeah Ive had that before, I just left him to die when he went down and he left lol

Bro you're a liability I'm not ressing you

[somber axle]

I always rez everyone no matter how obnoxious because I'm a clown and looking to see how funny a match can get tbh

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah bursters are piss easy but I always mark them, I’m talking about our newest friend the Dreg Tox Bomber

[somber axle]

if it turns into an escort mission but spicy then I'm down to clown always

new mission modifier: demolitions Zealot

[faint beacon]

Him buffing entire crowds of enemies and making them even stronger is a huge issue

[trim steppe]

Oh, yeah, I agree then, both bombers are top of my list

The area denial will kill a team faster than anything else

[faint beacon]

Look you haven’t stared death in the face till you’ve seen a group of Tox Buffed Crushers lmao

[somber axle]

I don't use True Level or anything and sometimes I quickplay into matches in progress. I don't know the level of the players in a match and don't tend to care but I've had post-match lobbies where I saw a level 15 and went "HE WAS LEVEL 15?? wow ok I didn't even notice"

[novel stone]

Is the devils claw sword even good?

[somber axle]

yes

[novel stone]

I never bothered over knife or power sword

[somber axle]

dclaw sword is very good for chaff clear plus you can parry a rager's head off in one strke

[trim steppe]

When I leveled my second Ogryn I was in damnation matches at like lvl 12 carrying and clutching whole teams of 30s lol. Very fun

[somber axle]

parry also has a LOT of uses

you can parry a crusher/mauler overhead

parry plogryn strikes

etc.

learn the parry

love the parry

[novel stone]

So better if you know how to use it

[somber axle]

nothing like staring down a charging rager in melee knowing you're about to bait out his hit and cut off his head in 1 hit

[novel stone]

What about the shovel? I kept a good one

[novel stone]

That convinces me almost considering ragers are my Achilles heel

If I fight them alone and don't shoot them like a moron

[somber axle]

there are very few weapons I'd take into melee willingly against a rager

dclaw is one of them

[magic trout]

horde destroyer

[somber axle]

Lucius Mk II bayonet is another

Macabian Dueling Sword IV on Psyker is one of my favs

special attack poke stagger and then just stab their head off

[novel stone]

My least favorite part of the knife tbh

[junior needle]

@idle swallow Here's some more samples

He edited the big comment, and previously just flat out said it struggles in higher difficulties

[somber axle]

it's probably my fault for preaching the gospel of the recon daily tbh

[novel stone]

I'm not practiced with it but with knife V rager I get molested

[novel stone]

The switch mode one yeah?

[trim steppe]

I think the only really bad vet melee is the tac axe family, all the rest are good/great

[magic trout]

yes and also 1 hit killer muties/experts

[trim steppe]

Combat axes (Rashad and antax) are some of the best

[somber axle]

I really love how Tac Axe IV base model looks and want to build a solid Tac Axe to play with tbh

some people have made it work

[novel stone]

Sexy

[somber axle]

is it GOOD? no

[novel stone]

Thx homies

[magic trout]

is basically a catachan sword with higher damage but for horde cleaning is good

[somber axle]

but it's workable and that's all I need

[junior needle]

taxe 4 is only ok

[somber axle]

I prize fashion over function

[novel stone]

I hate the axe so much

[junior needle]

Somewhere between knife and chainsword in function

[somber axle]

Rashad Axe is magical to use when you have a good roll

[junior needle]

Better horde clear than knife, but not as good as chainsword

Better single target than chainsword, but not as good as knife

[somber axle]

90% of the time I'm using my melee weapon as chaff clear on hordes so that's really all I need

knife has solid horde clear too so if Tac Axe IV is better I'll probably love it

[junior needle]

Chainsword would substantially outperform in clear

[somber axle]

oh absolutely and with far less effort

[junior needle]

Eh, knife has serviceable but unimpressive clear

[somber axle]

literally W+M1 chainsword lights with a XIIIg and no effort wipe a horde

[faint beacon]

I tend to use True Level for the sole purpose of seeing how much time I’ve dumped into certain classes

I’m not proud to admit I’m level 410 on Vet

[serene bough]

cant wait to reach 1k on vet

[ebon umbra]

i used true level bcuz if everyone is scattered and dying, i'm running to the highest level player

i use true level because im a coward

[somber axle]

If you see me don't run to me I'm a Recon main and I'm in the Frontline breakdancing in front of Wolfer's men for stamina

Duck and Dive + Deadshot clownery

[ebon umbra]

oooooh

nice

[somber axle]

Side dodge into slide for longer dodge window and keep spraying

[ebon umbra]

i like to use the plasma with the dclaw. i parry for quick clear and i just pew most of the match

[umbral scaffold]

Ooo, holy tools!

[somber axle]

That's a really good stat roll

Idk anything about combat axes though

[magic trout]

Yeah Emperor has his favorites... 😭

[umbral scaffold]

Decapitator looks good.

[ebon umbra]

if the god emperor gave me a dclaw 7 with those stats i'd remove helldivers 2 from my steam library

[umbral scaffold]

I need a crit blessing.

Best devils claw I have on psyker:

[ebon umbra]

some people were just born with the emperor's gift

[junior needle]

It's not very good because it's crit/weakspot damage

[magic trout]

At least for me cleave doesnt work well for catachan swords 🤔

[bitter turtle]

its not ideal

thrust+bromentum is best on that one

[junior needle]

Also because you need to one shot to get stacks

[umbral scaffold]

I don't use it. I just like having it for fun.

[junior needle]

At which point it doesn't help you

[umbral scaffold]

I have a 550 dueling.

(for psyk)

[magic trout]

when dying 😬

[ebon umbra]

this is a premo rebless weapon tho?

at this point could just do whatever they want whenever

[junior needle]

Has flak which is nice but

[ebon umbra]

im missing the point tho ur right

[junior needle]

Apart from that unimpressive

good stats

but due to the particulars of brutal you need more than just good stats

[umbral scaffold]

I do have one question though. Since Zealots know more about melee than psykers...

[ebon umbra]

[umbral scaffold]

I have two axes and They both look good on paper. But.. they're each uniquely different.

Both mk Vs.

[tall torrent]

Crit dmg is really bad, unfortunately

[winter grove]

Where rashad

[tall torrent]

Not having brutal momentum on combat axe is really bad

[arctic rampart]

^^^

[umbral scaffold]

Got it.

Actually... this axe would be really good on gun psyker

[tall torrent]

U generally want both bruiser 1HS kills

[umbral scaffold]

as they get benefits for weakspot kills.

[tall torrent]

With combat axes

[junior needle]

Brutal-less caxe

[umbral scaffold]

Of the two axes, which would you put a t3 brutal momentum on?

[arctic rampart]

it depends TBH though. if you are not good at hitting the head on swings, then brutal momentum is really awful. if you can do it though, it's just the best blessing available.

[tall torrent]

2nd

[junior needle]

left

[ebon umbra]

middle

[tall torrent]

Oh right yea left for sure

U need unarmored for combat axe

[junior needle]

Also right has deci locked in

[arctic rampart]

headtaker bm is good

[umbral scaffold]

GAH!

[wide anvil]

Damn

[unkempt lichen]

Throw headtaker and brutal momentum on that puppy and you will shred everything except crushers, mutants, and dreg ragers easily

[wide anvil]

Can't relate

[umbral scaffold]

So do it one this one?

[junior needle]

yes

For sure

[umbral scaffold]

kks.

[unkempt lichen]

brutal momentum is extremely good on antax

[junior needle]

Mandatory*

[umbral scaffold]

Here's another fun one... (sorry for sharing my armory, just looking to shake up my personal meta)

(for gun psyker)

[tall torrent]

30% stopping power is REALLY bad

[umbral scaffold]

Why? Isn't that just impact?

i.e. stagger?

[tall torrent]

That’s %dmg modifier vs flak/maniac/carapace/unyielding enemies as well as stagger

You basically never want to have low SP ever

[umbral scaffold]

Crep.

[tall torrent]

The pure stagger stat is called “collateral” for ranged weapons

[junior needle]

agri HH is likely still the worst one

[umbral scaffold]

How about this one then? (going for headhunter build as psyker gets perks for hitting people in the head)

[junior needle]

no respite is very useless

weak spot and crit damage are very bad perks due to how they're calculated in this game

[tall torrent]

Please for the love of the emperor do NOT put crit dmg perk on ANY weapon in this game

[junior needle]

You also don't want deadly by itself

[bitter turtle]

to clarify, deadly accurate is good because its such an insane number, but the weak/critical damage on perks is way too small to mat ter

[junior needle]

Although I suppose scriers does print crit

[bitter turtle]

the way weak spot and critical damage boosts are calculated

is that

it only increases the boost itself

so if you do 100 dmg base and 150 on a weakspot

10% isnt 10% of 150

its 10% of the boosted 50

so you actually get 5 dmg instead of 15

aka it sucks unless its a stupidly big number like deadly accurate

[junior needle]

Fatshark is charge of making a sensible system

So new players don't have to have a ton of meta knowledge to not gimp themselves

[radiant chasm]

except duelist talent for zealots cause fatshark hates consistency

[umbral scaffold]

This is the stat block.

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/hobie-brown-spider-verse-i-don't-belive-in-consistency-hobie-brown-spiderverse-gif-8737450981938763916

[faint beacon]

All the Headhunters are great but I’ll admit the 2 round burst one is the weakest of the 3

[junior needle]

Oh? What is it giving just straight damage?

[radiant chasm]

yeppers

[junior needle]

Oh shit

[tall torrent]

MG12 is primarily focused on getting precise 1 taps

[junior needle]

OH SHIT

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

[junior needle]

Jebaited

[radiant chasm]

it's why it is BiS and also part of why crit builds are so stupid

[tall torrent]

Duellist is 50% weakspot and 50% crit

50% weakspot works like normal +50% weakspot dmg

Crit same thing

The difference is these 2 add up for crit weakspot

[radiant chasm]

ok i'm probably wrong but still it's not consistent i'm just brain damaged

[somber axle]

Crit Weakspot Deadly Accurate my beloved

[radiant chasm]

too much chasting into crushers and bulwarks

[tall torrent]

It’s not “+X% dmg from weakspot hits” like veteran’s Marksman ability modifier

It’s still normal weakspot bonus

It’s just that because the weakspot and crit modifiers are separate

[junior needle]

I was about to say

AMBATTANUT

[tall torrent]

They combine into giving u much higher dmg than what 50% finesse would do

[umbral scaffold]

The lasgun I linked earlier ...

[junior needle]

Are you sure?

[umbral scaffold]

does 1182 dmg to reaper

headshot

[junior needle]

Shouldn't they both be doing the same thing

[tall torrent]

Is very focused on getting 1 headshot kills against most enemies, which I don’t think that one can achieve

[junior needle]

with finesse providing 50% of each

It'd be extremely stupid if it just changed the formula

[tall torrent]

I’m not entirely certain but I believe those 2 modifiers are applied separately

It’s higher than 50% finesse

I can ask kuli

[junior needle]

This is fatshark

[umbral scaffold]

idk about yall but this looks good

[radiant chasm]

yea it's like if deadly accurate was 90 and 90 each it would be more

[junior needle]

What are we supposed to be looking at?

[tall torrent]

Yea the flamer where u hit 870 on

MG12 normally aims to 1 shot them

If it can’t get the 1 shot breakpoints very consistently, it’s just objectively an inferior MG1a

[bitter turtle]

"i can one tap snipers and nothing else" isnt exactly impressive

[serene bough]

mg4 if you want consistent sustained fire, mg1a if you wanna hit 1hko breakpoints

mg12 needs a slight damage boost to hit 1hkos without needing exe stance and it would be fine

[tall torrent]

Not “slight”

MG12 needs almost every +ranged dmg node to hit it with pretty strict range limitations

[winter grove]

Speaking of, trying to build mg12 myself

[midnight mortar]

Yeah it's a hard sell and very restrictive.

[bitter turtle]

ive said this before but it feels like v7 does everything mg12 is/was supposed to do but better

[arctic rampart]

vs 20 crushers, what weapon do you like most? vs 5 crusher 5 bulwark same question

[tall torrent]

TLDR don’t

[bitter turtle]

no bad flak modifiers, can actually penetrate carapace in a pinch

[winter grove]

Rolled a good one and while grey it almost oneshotting gunners and almost oneshots the flamers

[serene bough]

point is it should be buffed to be able to reach that 1hko threshold without needing so much support

[midnight mortar]

Accurate.

[tall torrent]

That’s for sure

[midnight mortar]

One can dream.

[winter grove]

Just using a dedicated infantry lasgun build for it

[serene bough]

if youre gonna run an ilas with exe stance bring the mg1a

[radiant chasm]

mg4 is when you get full auto mod and want to get a probably automatic las rifle

[winter grove]

Ketejok's

[topaz lance]

Flamer

[serene bough]

if youre gonna avoid exe stance then the mg4 can reach a lot of simialr 2hko breakpoints the mg1a can as long as you invest into it

[junior needle]

1a is still better than the mg4 on full auto

Does higher dps and has better recoil

[winter grove]

He's right

[radiant chasm]

yes but i want pew pew

[serene bough]

dont agree, slower RoF and much less ammo efficiency per mag

[winter grove]

Only thing mg4 has going for is ammo economy

[junior needle]

Slower rof does not mean less dps

[winter grove]

You can't run out of ammo on it

[radiant chasm]

see i know how to build good if i want to use what guns i'm best at i'll just use my mk3 headhunter and mow down the map

[serene bough]

dps is less important than the actual breakpoints its reaching

[junior needle]

But I can do a calc on the two, I've never done any math for them

[radiant chasm]

or revolver, or plasma

[serene bough]

when testing for a while i find the mg1a is just short of a 1hko

[junior needle]

Well, 1a gets better breakpoints AND dps because fatshark is gud at balance

[serene bough]

mg4 and mg1a reach similar breakpoints unless boosted w/ exe stance from my experience

[radiant chasm]

it could always be worse

[winter grove]

"give lasguns some love"
"Aight bet"

[radiant chasm]

it was worse

balance is a journey, not a destination

[serene bough]

i can 2 tap gunners w/ mg4 the same way i can 2 tap w/ mg1a

[tall torrent]

this is what MG12 is supposed to be capable of very consistently rn @umbral scaffold
Unfortunately this requires:
Longshot
5% ranged dmg (x2)
Killzone
Precision Strikes
Rending Strikes
Redirect Fire 5 stack / Focus Target 2 stack
flak dmg perk
maniac dmg perk

[serene bough]

in which case, you're trading off more ammo per shot and less ammo efficiency for the same job

[tall torrent]

I can test with all this because I have one of the most godroll MG12s in existence

and the gun is literally just pathetic

[winter grove]

Damn

[tall torrent]

MG12 is exclusively an exe stance gun

[winter grove]

I mean

[tall torrent]

It’s literally not worth using if you don’t run exe stance

[winter grove]

I play with exe stance on lasguns

[serene bough]

not even that

[tall torrent]

Like, genuinely, zero reason to use it if you don’t use exe stance

[serene bough]

if you run exe stance w/ mg1a its still vastly superior to mg12

so thers almost no reason to use mg12 over mg1a

[winter grove]

Holy shit I've got a reason

[somber axle]

Kantrael XII: the king of Launch

[tall torrent]

On exe stance, MG1a doesn’t hit the same breakpoints as MG12 unless you also run marksman’s focus

[somber axle]

it's still roughly the same as it was then but new talents and buffs to other weapons have left it behind

[serene bough]

which BPs doesnt it hit

[tall torrent]

I can say this because I also have one of the most godroll MG1a ever

[junior needle]

The particulars of breakpoints as always depend on your setup, but having about 100~ or more damage per shot on all armor types is a lot of leeway

[somber axle]

still very fun with an Exe Stance build though

[winter grove]

If hadron doesn't brick a good mg12 I got yesterday then I'll try running it qith exe stance

If she will brick it I'll try getting a better 1a

Mine has 36% stability

[somber axle]

Focus Target is good but tbh I love Marksman's Focus with Exe Stance Kantrael XII more

the mini-game of clicking heads to maintain stacks is fun imo

on top of mini-game of clicking highlighted heads to maintain Exe Stance

[hollow turtle]

If you ever join a server with two zealots and one other veteran, take the exe stance and maybe a smoke grenade.. Dungeon master wants to murder you guys with shooters.

[tall torrent]

U still need rending strikes for scab gunner 1HS, and you can’t get scab trapper 1 tap body consistently

[somber axle]

plus when you start firing into a Burgle back/Plogryn head/Chaos Spawn face with the Exe Stance Marksman's Focus 10+ stacks Kantrael XII you'll do surprisingly good boss damage

[tall torrent]

It’s a better gun but it’s not better in literally everything

[somber axle]

less DPS than a Mg1a spamming shots and keeping most shots on weakspot though

[hollow turtle]

So what's the trick to keeping 10 stack focus? outside of crab walking that is.

[somber axle]

Camo stance if you're less experienced clicking heads

otherwise it's just clicking heads

you get a grace period to move after a headshot kill

3 stacks per headshot kill

so if you're using say a Laspistol and really good at shooting heads on the move

you're probably sitting at max stacks most times

[junior needle]

The 4 does indeed have more ammo efficiency on paper, with 93632 potential damage to flak on a max stat baseline compared to 75600 from the 1a

[hollow turtle]

I can do it, but quite often, what spawns in forces me into melee. I must be doing something wrong

[somber axle]

don't be afraid to melee tbh

you'll be back at max stacks in 4 headshot kills

[serene bough]

i'm just saying unless you run exe you're still going to reach similar 2hko breakpoints whereas the mg1a just barely misses that breakpoint

[somber axle]

that's assuming you lost all stacks during melee

[serene bough]

at least with my build

[somber axle]

it's really not as big a detriment to swap melee, clear chaff, then swap back to ranged for head clicking as it seems

especially after the recent buffs

[untold mulch]

I swear, marks is pain in the ass to balance that Fatshark brought onto themselves

[hollow turtle]

Lol when all the elites are straight up armor melee, charging you, it's kind of hard not to.

Maybe I should start using the plasma

[serene bough]

i guess its build dependent but ping keystone nullifies this problem

[somber axle]

if you're using a Kantrael XII and a Crusher appears your melee should be a solid anti-armour solution

if it's not then you should run krak

[junior needle]

Ping keystone is bis for onetappers

[somber axle]

if it's not any of the above then you hope a team mate can kill the crusher or you suffer swinging at the Crusher in melee doing piddly damage

[hollow turtle]

IA for me. And I just got this today so it should help with the headshots.

[somber axle]

making a versatile loadout with a good ranged weapon, melee weapon and talent set up to cover all your bases is important imo

if you have an enemy type that you think "I hope someone else can deal with this" then when no one can you die

[serene bough]

i agree, which is why i cant see why anyone would use mg12 over mg1a

[tall torrent]

And MG1a still has range limits

[hollow turtle]

I'm good at running

That 500 krak penance is a pain in the ass.

[winter grove]

So basically you're saying Mg12 can outclass Mg1a in soem situations like exe stance and shit?

[tall torrent]

Not outclass, slightly better quality of life in some situations, still overall inferior

[serene bough]

pretty much

[hollow turtle]

I just like the faster dakka

[serene bough]

mg4 and mg1a are the two lasguns to consider atm

[tall torrent]

MG12 is in need of dmg buff

MG4 I don’t enjoy, dmg is miserable

[serene bough]

its my favorite personally

[hollow turtle]

Would an AG be viable for marksman focus?

[somber axle]

Don't do the IV unless you use mods to do an autoclicker or want to speedrun carpal tunnel tbh

[hollow turtle]

Just aim head level

[junior needle]

All the ilas need to have their poor flak damage boosted

[somber axle]

Do Mg1a

[winter grove]

I see

[arctic rampart]

then when you get the auto-clicker try the blue stims with it.

[winter grove]

What about vraks?

[serene bough]

i have the auto clicker mod, but i only use when dumping into hordes

otherwise i control my shots

[hollow turtle]

Auto-clicker, blue stims with weapon specialist is funny.

[tall torrent]

What’s an AG

[winter grove]

Autogun

[somber axle]

Yeah but which kind

[winter grove]

Which one tho idk

[tall torrent]

Ok, yes, play Vraks 3

[hollow turtle]

Mk I IAG

[somber axle]

Headhunter Autoguns and Infantry Autoguns are both good for Marksman's Focus imo

[tall torrent]

Vraks 3 is made for marksman’s focus

[somber axle]

Don't do braced

they're not going to be a good match for MF

[winter grove]

Vraks 3 is the semi auto one ye?

[tall torrent]

3r burst

[hollow turtle]

Awesome. I figured i could probably just use infil and get into a crowd before laying into their heads with the low profile

[winter grove]

What about vraks 7?

[junior needle]

vraks 7 is the single shot

[winter grove]

Is it any good?

[tall torrent]

MF vraks 3 (I only have +8% elite and +10% specialist on this one)

[tall torrent]

best semi-auto weapon by far but super point hungry

[hybrid torrent]

Vraks MK 7 can one tap muties if you build it right, even with the headhunters poor maniac damage.

[junior needle]

Mutie one tap is a tall order, sounds like a psyk warrior showcase

[winter grove]

Maybe I should try vraks sometime

[ebon umbra]

i'd try every decent weapon when you can. see what ya like.

this game makes it a lil difficult to use weapons reasonably :/ early on

u might dismiss things bcuz weird blessing setups. the people here will help u tho whenever ur not sure something is dog

[untold mulch]

I want to know who tf thought it was a good idea to give it both a shitty flak modifier (not like the most significant part of the game is flak enemies?)

and also reverse fall off in a horde shooter where 95% of enemies want to be closer

[serene bough]

i think its okay at what it does, pushes a few breakpoints depending on the weapon

its niche but it works in my build

[untold mulch]

I only remember swapping to autoguns because Ilas felt terrible to use personally

[winter grove]

Remember

Grey CIAG is very much usable on auric maelstroms

[serene bough]

im partial towards my mg4 ilas, i use it a lot

[untold mulch]

IV is nice, but the bouncy recoil is just pain

Ilas feels like the Vet is faking the recoil

[serene bough]

ammo efficiency and mag size are still attractive features that make the gun worth it to me

[winter grove]

Maybe he is, lasguns naturally don't have one

[serene bough]

some lore explanation is that lasguns have built in recoil to feel "natural" to shoot

[winter grove]

I know the simple reason why ilas have recoil in game

It would be boring

[untold mulch]

yeah, useful for detachments of either low quality troops, or when you expect to have to shift between projectiles and las

Also Recon feels fine with the minimal recoil IMO

Slight recoil is expected, light has no mass, but has momentum

[winter grove]

Imagine mk6d recon with ciag recoil

[untold mulch]

💀

[hearty panther]

they originally had no recoil, the lasguns

[untold mulch]

Yeah

they shifted it because it felt "bad" I know

[hearty panther]

but then they played with them for 10mins and realized it felt like shiiiiiit

you need that feedback as a player

[untold mulch]

but personally Recon with the minimal recoil still feels nice to use, and personally Ilas has too much

autoguns kick

Ilas just straight up bounce

[winter grove]

Idk feels nice to me

[serene bough]

i may be inured to the effect given how much i use it, but I dont mind the lasgun recoil

[winter grove]

Makes them unique that way I suppose

[untold mulch]

Maybe a me thing, I just always used it for a match and ended up almost yeeting it

[junior needle]

That's a myth that people keep repeating from a reddit post but has never been substantiated

[somber axle]

I barely notice Recon recoil tbh

[untold mulch]

doesn't help that the alternatives is Recon who is the joke of the designers or Lucius that is dmr like that I dislike playing longer than a match

[serene bough]

same

its just hearsay

[winter grove]

Darktide lasguns have recoil because a) it's cooler that way and b) without recoil it feels bad to shoot

[untold mulch]

I remember reading an official statement though? huh

[serene bough]

but you wont have me looking through 300+ warhammer books jsut to confirm it

[junior needle]

Well if you've seen it then please send it my way

[untold mulch]

It happens in both ways

in general if Lasgun has recoil

the writer is kinda dumb

[bitter turtle]

guys did you know orks can make anything true if they beliegve in it XD

[untold mulch]

but some cases justify it

[junior needle]

Don't get me wrong, troops getting inconvenienced due to beureacratic/production reasons is 100% 40k

[winter grove]

You've never seen a purple ork

[junior needle]

But I need to see it

[untold mulch]

I get it as balance

but personally with Recon right there to use, the "feels bad" I don't buy it

[serene bough]

regardless, a little less recoil wouldn't go amiss

[winter grove]

Not even balance, it feels dogshit to fire

Without recoil

[serene bough]

im not bothered by it personally but i know a lot of people think its problematic

[untold mulch]

I mean balance in the sense that good recoil balances its skill use

[winter grove]

Oh

Ah

[untold mulch]

but that, personally little recoil is nice

[serene bough]

thing is, using recon alone feels bad

[winter grove]

Tho lasgun recoil being bouncy feels unique

[untold mulch]

eh, why I use personally

Recon only stat wise feels bad to me

in feel? amazing

[hearty panther]

i just miss old stripped down

that extra sprint speed on the 6d used to be amazing

[untold mulch]

Only began using it when a few days before its nerf 💀

It really did

[hearty panther]

then again they did buff sprint speed on other rifles

used to be only the 6d that had the distinction of +.6 sprint

,man, vet with stripped down 6d used to be the fastest character in the game

now thats like maybe 60% as fast as a knife zealot with two move speed nodes and swift certainty lol

[untold mulch]

be zooming

[tall torrent]

This would be a good argument if laspistols didn’t exist in this game

[untold mulch]

Hmmm

Actually forgot about the damn laspistols

full auto mod to avoid carpal syndrome

and is a better recon than recon

[winter grove]

Full auto to avoid mouse breaking*

[untold mulch]

I value my hand more

[winter grove]

I know someone did break a mouse here because of spamming LMB

[hearty panther]

i always buy the cheapest shit

its always gonna break eventually

[tall torrent]

I bought my mouse at like 40 bucks lol

[hearty panther]

so i basically go to Staples and buy an office mouse and keyboard

[tall torrent]

It’s been going well

[winter grove]

If they add hellguns, how will they work? Any thoughts?

[untold mulch]

I get a nice one in a budget, so basically middle point

[untold mulch]

Outcast Engineer from VT2 is my hope

I would say at minimum I expect heat mechanic to balance it

[tall torrent]

The rapid fire heavy support lasgun?

[untold mulch]

Scions/Kasrkin pretty much

[winter grove]

Hellgun machine gun

[untold mulch]

Hellgun/Hotshot in lore now is a mess

because some are full auto like machinegun

and others look single shot very high power

Games Workshop can't get their shit together with some weapons

[tall torrent]

I kinda want it to work like a braced lasgun with overheat instead of reload since it’s supposed to be backpack battery-fed

Brace to reduce spread and recoil
Rapid fire
Firing builds heat (no manual cooling like plasma)
Special action flashlight/bayonet
If heat reaches max, cannot shoot for an extended period of time

[noble zinc]

Competetive urge letting me oneshot crushers with an agrippa shotgun

Kinda funny.

[untold mulch]

Works for me

Braced las is good

[winter grove]

Prayers that Hadron won't brick it

[untold mulch]

more like sacrifices to the dark gods

[noble zinc]

Shotgun killing anything in one hit that isn't a boss 🤔

[somber axle]

Laspistol Mk II and Headhunter Autogun are my new favs for clicking heads tbh

and Headhunter Autogun can also just Exe Stance shoot Crusher heads off

it's really funny

[winter grove]

Oh yeah that sounds nice

[somber axle]

you'd never expect it to just not care about armour but it doesn't

[untold mulch]

laspistol with full crit vs weakspot of beast of nurgle

[winter grove]

I expected vraks to not care about armor

[untold mulch]

is just so silly

[somber axle]

Laspistols feel SO GOOD

Yesterday before D&D I had a friend who wanted to join me for a quick Darktide match

[untold mulch]

They feel good

[somber axle]

he threw me into an Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet

[noble zinc]

New marskman focus feels very strong.

[somber axle]

I wanted to die LMFAO

[untold mulch]

I think is the only las weapon of the game that I like as it now

[somber axle]

but Nurgle's clown can't stop dancing

we won the match at the cost of my sanity

[noble zinc]

Given I still don't have a good autogun. Shotgun and plasma it continues.

[somber axle]

Laspistol definitely put in a lot of work in that silliness

[noble zinc]

Emperor gave me a near perfect plasma so v_v

[winter grove]

Think that this can be worked with? (It's grey btw)

[tall torrent]

Don’t rely on Killzone for breakpoints

[winter grove]

I guess

But I think this can be worked with

[tall torrent]

And if u play exe stance with mg12 it’s very lenient on dmg talents for breakpoints

[winter grove]

Got it to blue and hadron gave me efficiency and stamina I don't like where this is going

[tall torrent]

The issue is just that it has to use exe stance

[noble zinc]

Need more people to jump on the shotgun train >:D

[serene bough]

honestly taking exe stance is kind of an L already to me

[winter grove]

I am using kejetok's dedicated ilas build

[somber axle]

Tbh I thought lasguns would be the guns to not care about armour and autoguns to be stopped by it. I mean like Helbores also don't care about armour but you can run IAGs, HHs and even Braced with the right silly set up to be anti armour vs Kantraels and most Recons not held by clown hands have no chance

[last parcel]

"One shot, one kill. Just how we do it in the Guard"
Random ass pox walker jacking it 14 meters away:

[winter grove]

Should I try running one match with lasgun ironsights on 1a?

[noble zinc]

I just like playing around with exe for shits and giggles.

Besides it lets me oneshot crushers on occasion with a shotgun so.

[tall torrent]

U should just stop

[last parcel]

That seems funny. Go for it

[tall torrent]

I’m suffering the consequences of having to play loner + stealth for backstab

[gilded wraith]

Recoomendations fir my last point? Anything look off? Columnus V and Rashad

[winter grove]

Wanna hate me more? Check what's under the sights

[tall torrent]

Not nearly enough +melee dmg talents for rashad bruiser breakpoints

And no grenade regen? Really? In this ammo economy?

[winter grove]

Funny thing I noticed btw

[hollow turtle]

Damn. I wish the game just checked to see what was the highest difficulty we completed missions on in the past and just used that to autogive us the mission difficulty completion rewards. Now I'm having to play every mission on damnation again.

[serene bough]

lol

[last parcel]

Double the sights mean double the accuracy

[noble zinc]

They only gave penances based on information they were tracking previously sadly.

[last parcel]

Now add a side rail mounted laser

[winter grove]

Second sight is always there, even in vanilla

Right under the holo

[hollow turtle]

But, I thought that was something they tracked. Literally got the symbols for what difficulty we finished missions at underneath the missions on mission selection.

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha... trying to get to tunnel vision, but that might be optimistic.

[winter grove]

No kill confirmed?

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

It’s just that

O4B still has point tax issue just because u don’t get close order for TDR

Imo

[hollow turtle]

Does anyone still use the bolter after the survivalist nerf?

[winter grove]

Just ran auric with a random guy on quickplay with light out modifier

We both back walked off the map's edge lmfao

[hollow turtle]

Lol. Clearly, the light of the Emperor does not bless every reject.

[neat stratus]

From an outsider perspective the PS5 was really sad

[winter grove]

We both had infantry lasguns with flashlights too

[neat stratus]

Hardly any new games on it, and they're already considering it to be at the end of its lifespan

life-cycle, as they call it

9/10 of the big new releases were remakes too iirc

[idle swallow]

You definitely have to use it as a big DMR if you want to use it consistently, honestly the thing that hurts the most for me is that a bolter shot doesn't heavy stagger a bulwark in one hit anymore

Just another kick down on the bolter compared to plasma for vet

[neat stratus]

I dislike how its just a direct downgrade from most other weapons in every way

[tall torrent]

FoxHope used it when we played, ammo concern is very real

but it wasn't the worst thing ever

scoreboard from yuri

[noble zinc]

It's a bit upsetting bolters have less max ammo than even shotguns. Makes sense given the mag size but still.

[tall torrent]

if recon + plasma + boltgun combined can not run completely out, it's not the worst thing ever?

but more restrictive for sure

[noble zinc]

For a weapon without insanely high cleave or pen it should have more ammo.

[hollow turtle]

Dayum, where's my invite?

[tall torrent]

next time
u can add me tho

[hollow turtle]

Lol sure.

[neat stratus]

Slowest draw speed of any weapon, I think the slowest reload, the worst ammo economy of any weapon that does similar damage, slow firerate unless you use the wildly inaccurate hipfire, and somehow can't one shot many more enemies than a heavy plasma pistol could despite all that

[hollow turtle]

I should add Fox too since they're also in HD2.

[neat stratus]

The thing has damage balanced on its hipfire, and an ammo economy balanced around how much damage it should be doing with such a slow aimed fire rate

[hollow turtle]

Oi. Game didn't track me playing all those darkness missions.

[noble zinc]

I don't get why the draw speed is still bad when we can whip out a plasma in almost no time flat.

It feels like anti bolter bias from the devs.

[neat stratus]

I dont get why it does less damage than a plasma when its worse in every other way as well

[tall torrent]

plasma's draw-to-shoot speed isn't actually that high because of the pre-fire delay

but yes boltgun is very clunky

[neat stratus]

still much faster than the bolter

[tall torrent]

main issue for me is recoil animation and draw speed

[noble zinc]

It's good enough for how hard plasma hits.

[neat stratus]

Bolter takes about 6 and a half hordes to draw and does worse damage than a laspistol

[tall torrent]

the main thing is that boltgun plays very differently for zealot and veteran

for zealot it's by no means weak

[neat stratus]

Draw speed of any day now

[tall torrent]

for veteran it feels jank

[noble zinc]

20% ranged damage boost makes a lot of things strong. Go figure.

[topaz lance]

Bolter was the best weapon for a long time, the nerfs overcorrected

[somber axle]

Boltgun felt fun pouring on crazy amounts of boss damage before tbh

Magdump into a Burgle back and feel like a Space Marine briefly

Plus with the Focus Target build I run with it for Boltgun times it tends to one tap most elites/specials

Ammo econ is worse than before but still fine imo

[noble zinc]

Not that special when so many weapons in the game onetap speciaps and elites nowadays.

Whilst having way more ammo, and less drawbacks.

[tall torrent]

It’s much less reliable than most other 1 tap weapons

[somber axle]

Yeah but this gun feels heavy, the shots feel heavy and the damage feels heavy so it definitely has fun factor to me

I will become a collector of guns people dislike

Their trash is my treasure

[noble zinc]

Collect recon guns and shotties then. Kek

[idle swallow]

i wanna like the bolter cuz ya know we in a 40k game but for vet almost everything it tries to do aside from meme mag dump into boss is done better by another gun (usually plasma)

[somber axle]

I'm going to make a build with Shredder Autopistol when I get home just for more clown hours

[somber axle]

Urironically I have like 8 Recon Mk VIds all 530-549

And a few Recon VIIas

I even have a few Recon IIs

I have every Shotgun too

[last parcel]

Brunt keeps giving my psyker 370+ recons

tis a sign from the God Emperor

[viscid vessel]

Gimme a bolt pistol chainsword combo that behaves like the grenade gauntlet. Chainsword for most attacks, and better at mobs, then the bolt pistol as a special ability with relatively short range for armor piercing

[winter grove]

FELLAS?

[frank ether]

the one that should get more ammo is probably agri revolver

or just a teeny tiny bit of pen

[hollow turtle]

rapier and pistol throwback

[winter grove]

When did they add this

[hollow turtle]

I saw this yesterday, and was like. "Fuck. I don't know this shit."
And I was on damnation.

[hollow turtle]

Reworked that one rotten tree mission.

[winter grove]

Bro same

BUT

I actually figured that out while we were getting swarmed

[hollow turtle]

I still haven't figured it out.

[winter grove]

ok so

See the circles?

You used WASD to choose them

[tall torrent]

use WASD to move gadget cursor to different circles, left click on the one that shows white (instead of red)

[winter grove]

You gotta find one that glows white after few secs and LMB it

3 times

[tall torrent]

first time I faced that was in auric maelstrom with foxhope and yuri

I just gave up and let yuri do it

[winter grove]

This would've been dead run since zealot had no idea too (Shout out to the guy for being too zealous to die)

[somber axle]

This is part of the update with the changes to Hab Dreyko

No longer just funny scanners

You poison Nurgle's fav tree in Atoma

Very cool plus the new audio from the tree is spooky

[winter grove]

Zero lights too

I had good vision cus I used mg1a flashlight

[somber axle]

Lasguns are so good they're two flashlights in one

[winter grove]

Also remember this?

Guess what

[hazy glacier]

It’s bricked

[terse idol]

[winter grove]

Of course

[hazy glacier]

Such is the way of life

Seems like we’re getting a lot more plasteel per mission now too just sucks we still get trash

[winter grove]

Should I try getting another good mg12 or try get better mg1a?

[junior needle]

1a atm

Is better generally

[somber axle]

Mg1a is better DPS wise and per shot the damage isn't much less than the Mk XII. If you want to push for 1HKO on targets with the Mk XII with Exe Stance it can be funny and more ammo efficient but the difference isn't major on ammo econ either honestly

[winter grove]

Like this one?

[somber axle]

If you want to do more damage M1ga but they both sorta do the same thing so you can really just run which ever you prefer