veteran-class

[tall torrent]

And it sticks to all 3 of those Armor types

[shell ridge]

Thanks! I do enjoy some Fashiontide

[faint beacon]

We love Fahsiontide

good 50% of what I like messing with other than builds and the game itself lmao

[tall torrent]

I don’t think I’ll be doing zealot’s loner backstab one lol

At least not in the immediate future

[fiery plinth]

I think the veteran cutthroat voice actor cracked his voice

[tall torrent]

Ogryn and Psyker are literally blessed with their new penances

So much easier than veteran / zealot

[faint beacon]

Imo im surprised this isn't a higher rarity than Auric Vanguard

but at the same time Vanguard is 100 Aurics

[timid otter]

They really should add a penance for psyker that requires them to explode 5 elites with 1 peril explosion.

[faint beacon]

Idk im just viewing Maelstroms to be worth more

[split sapphire]

I haven't done any autic Maelstrom missions yet, i'm barely cozy on heresy rn

[faint beacon]

Auric Maelstrom is

an experience

to put it lightly

I got the survive it 5 times in a row without dying

im happy enough with that

?

I just read this

10

I did 5

[split sapphire]

Wish i had good friends to play them with, but course the ones i have aren't even average yet.

[faint beacon]

if it was originally 10 I would've actually wept

[timid otter]

Well going from heresy to maelstrom is a pretty large leap.

Lots of the maelstrom modifers can also be described as damage checks.

Ex bosses or poxburster/mutant waves

[split sapphire]

Well i want to be able to get vozy with Maelstrom's in general before trying damnation/ Auric lvl missions

Would help if i had great teammates i would talk with

[late hatch]

maelstroms vary wildly in diff depending on modifiers

[tall torrent]

I would suggest u try auric heresy first before maelstrom

Malice maelstrom is nowhere near the same level as damnation maelstrom

[late hatch]

like getting the poxburster conga lines is real bad when combined with muties

[split sapphire]

Ok so get cozy with auric heresy, then move on to damnation after i get used to it, right?

[tall torrent]

Yea nurgle bless + monster specialist + scab faction no ammo =

[faint beacon]

I'd say if you're doing Auric Heresy, go to Auric Damnation and then Auric Maelstrom

Cause Auric mael is the end all be all hardest Difficulty

sometimes it can be easy

[split sapphire]

Fair enough

[faint beacon]

just mattters on the mission that day

[faint beacon]

We had a really easy one a bit ago, Vent Purge, Scab Faction, all Ranged

[split sapphire]

I'd prefer not solo que'ing tho if that makes any sense ya know?

[timid otter]

Consistently avoiding maelstroms bullshit is pretty much impossible

[faint beacon]

Vet actually running Exe stance with highlight for everyone

[timid otter]

Its easier with teammates

[faint beacon]

fucking chefs kiss

[tall torrent]

That’s just blessed

[split sapphire]

Bro

[tall torrent]

Although tbh

Vent purge scab faction all ranged isn’t that bad even without exe stance highlight

[split sapphire]

No?

[tall torrent]

Yes u don’t rly need that for vent purge

[faint beacon]

True you just look for their muzzle flashes and fire back

[tall torrent]

It’s nice to have but not necessary

[faint beacon]

but the all toughness VOC vet on it was fucking hilarious

[tall torrent]

Worst case scenario u run smokes and trivialize 50% of the enemies

[faint beacon]

had 6 Scab gunners and a reaper shooting me

felt exactly like this

[tall torrent]

Shotgunners & gunners legally cannot do anything to u with constant smoke spam

[late hatch]

did you have ghost?

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrv-raiden-punching-armstrong-gif-24576818

[faint beacon]

Nope, Reassuringly Accurate

so I just kept getting more toughness lmao

they did not dent my health once

Nanomachines son

[tame lodge]

FNP Ogryn before the nerf

[split sapphire]

Hmm, what would be good with ghost on the infantry lasgun

[fiery plinth]

Hhh I won’t lie

[late hatch]

ghost is just so good, on a laspistol, just click a head every second and you are immune to ranged

[faint beacon]

Better on Laspistol

[tall torrent]

Headhunter

[faint beacon]

cause of its mobility

[fiery plinth]

I feel like hadron with randos

[split sapphire]

Lol

[last parcel]

why can't things just be easy

i blame you varlets

[fiery plinth]

Indeed

[split sapphire]

sigh data stream ceased, you are certain you installed the data interrogator correctly?

[last parcel]

make another boom varlets

[faint beacon]

Honestly I have no clue how FNP is after its rework/nerf

I still dodged a lot of attacks but I usually ran it with my Ogryn that generated stupid amounts of toughness with Glugger

[split sapphire]

Feel no pain? Right

[faint beacon]

Correct

[split sapphire]

Gotcha

[tame lodge]

The stacks come back faster but you can't face tank gunners

[tall torrent]

I played too much DT today

I should get on with veteran guide document

[faint beacon]

I assume its still good for in and out combat

Cause it just means i have to adjust how i played my Glugger build with it originally

[analog belfry]

What are the best blessings now for power sword?

Power cycler for sure, but not sure about other one

[tall torrent]

Power cycler + BM/Sunder

[analog belfry]

Cheers

[tame lodge]

Yeah as long as you take cover, they also changed it so the stacks are multiplicative

[pallid jetty]

[split sapphire]

Just for the fun of it, i'm curious to hear your opinion on this, which of these hits harder based on their best set up, and whether or not it's more efficient then the other

🟢 Vraks Mk.VII head hunter autogun
Or
🔵 Kantrel MG XII infantry lasgun

[pallid jetty]

uhhhh...

[bitter turtle]

v7

[tame lodge]

V7

[split sapphire]

Aight

[bitter turtle]

dont think m12 can punch through carapace even if you tried

v7 dpesnt do it spectacularly but it does it

well

honestly on paper the dps is really pretty good vs carapace

[pallid jetty]

with the hh you dont need the free las fire passive 🙂

[bitter turtle]

something like 2k on average

just not really worth expending the rounds to do it

[split sapphire]

I now see why vraks had better potential

[tall torrent]

Vraks7 is prob the strongest semi auto gun in the game rn

[faint beacon]

Wasted stupid amounts of plasteel in attempts to get headhunter IV

no luck

[tame lodge]

I used to have one tree for all my ranged guns

[split sapphire]

Dang

[tall torrent]

Vraks7’s main issue is that it’s incredibly point hungry

[bitter turtle]

its very point-tax heavy of a gun though

yeah

to put it on eway, its one of the only guns i still run voc on

not because of any particular synergy

but because i have to spend so many pts in other things

i cant afford to take infiltrate

you'd really be gimping the gun if you tried

and forget about buffing your melee

so you better pick something that doesn't need anything on the right tree

or 10% melee

[tall torrent]

U need smth like
Longshot + Precision strikes + Determined + Superiority Complex + Rending Strikes + Bring it Down! + Focus Target + Redirect Fire

It’s pretty crazy

And on top of all that you still have deadshot to consider

[split sapphire]

That is something very similar i used for the Vraks before

[tall torrent]

Basically if u take Vraks7, in terms of investing points into melee, you’re NOT investing points into melee

[split sapphire]

Right cause you'd be messing up the potential of what the weapon can truely do

[tall torrent]

It has so much point tax you’re kind of just hard barred from using some melee weapons well

Knife is one that comes to mind

Rashad prob too

[split sapphire]

Combat axe?

[tall torrent]

Yea they’re very min-max heavy

[split sapphire]

Ah right

[gilded wraith]

I have a devil of a time with Rashad without 10% attack speed.

[bitter turtle]

psword is an okay choice on it

doesnt really need a whole lot besides the nodes you already pick up for the v7

[tall torrent]

Btw u on rn?

[bitter turtle]

the shovels are nice if you are okay with just not being able to deal with bosses

yeah i just finished a game

[tall torrent]

1 game and I’m off

[split sapphire]

I'm trying to head to bed atm, but perhaps we can play sometime if your up for it

[tall torrent]

Auric? Or reg damn

[bitter turtle]

either is fine

let me know which you pick though

[tall torrent]

Damn QP then

I’m on zealot

[bitter turtle]

ok

let me try

a meme then

[tall torrent]

Rashad gaming

[bitter turtle]

time for

RECON

[split sapphire]

Ooh, ya mean he Axe's the questions on Tertium? Lol

[tall torrent]

Haven’t done this map on damnation after this patch

I just did it on uprising for martyr’s skull

[gilded wraith]

Blessings still headhunter and deadly for vraks?

[split sapphire]

I have those on mine

[tame lodge]

Surgical and deadly for picking off enemies

[hollow turtle]

I didn't know how much I was missing out on DPS with weapon specialist.

[faint beacon]

Sniper playstyle

if you're looking for a more run and gun

Headhunter + Deadly

But both work

again matters on how you want to use the Vraks Headhunter

[wide anvil]

Sometimes I'm tempted to run the Weapon Customization mod just so I can put a scope on my Helbore

[midnight mortar]

I can't use my Helbore without it.

In fact, I outright couldn't without an actually functional scope.

[wide anvil]

I'm too much of a weapon appearance purist to do that xd

The iron sights on Helbore sucks ass but I deal with it

Still though, PLEASE GIVE US AN OFFICIAL SCOPE FOR THE DAMNED THING SHATFARK

[faint beacon]

I'd say try to customize it around the scope with the original desing

can make some cool looking weapons

[wide anvil]

I guess I could

But I'll have to get very desperate first

Right now it's fine

[faint beacon]

I literally just threw this together on my MG 1a

[bitter turtle]

pls get a different muzzle

the pink-purplish bit showing through because your muzzle is hugging the barrel is ugly

[last parcel]

very immersive

[faint beacon]

for the love of god why that muzzle

Also I found a bulkier one that fits with it better

[bitter turtle]

recon customization sucks sadly

[faint beacon]

Im honestly not surprised

[last parcel]

it reminds me of a peeled back 4skin

[faint beacon]

Recon naturally getting shafted by the game must get shafted by the mods as well

[cedar abyss]

What are some good blessings / perks on an Assault Chainsword?

[late hatch]

rampage and some cleave. there are diff cleave blessings that depend on attack pattern and playstyle

[frank basin]

Of course Famas looking gun aren’t customizable

[wide anvil]

Rampage + Wrath or Savage Sweep

Wrath takes some buildup but just swing and forget

[somber axle]

Rampage and Wrath since Savage Sweep with the XIIIg will not work when bruisers enter the horde and catch your blade

it'll stop Savage Sweep's buff and your cleave will be much worse as soon as the bruisers with a little flak armour enter the mix of chaff

from the guide in pins

[woeful ibex]

Nice

[plush oracle]

[pallid jetty]

500 kraks for pants, 40k is truly a terrible time to live in

[last parcel]

is that a krak in your pants or are you just happy to see me

[pallid jetty]

I'M READY TO BLOOOW!!!

[last parcel]

Aaaaaa A AAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wide anvil]

OH GOD, IT'S BOOM BEWM! AAAAAAAAAA-

[woeful junco]

this looks pretty cool right?

[normal spruce]

I feel like this gun is pretty good for the most parts, I only have one more modification to make, should I wait for a better blessing or just change critical hit damage to elite damage?

[radiant chasm]

Being stuck with crit hit damage perk sucks but i’d go surgical or headhunter instead of no respite, or opening salvo instead of deadly accurate. I’m not sure exactly which is better for mk7 so i’d look into the pins or wait for a smarter player

[normal spruce]

Yeah I'm looking at the veteran guide, It recommends Surgical and Deadly Accurate. I feel like No Respite is sort of decent, I use the voice of command ability, which I think might work well with it.

Does Critical Weakspot damage mean a weakspot hit that happens to be a critical?

[radiant chasm]

Before the headhunter rifles were buffed and the crit based blessings buffed

No respite opening salvo was the best

[radiant chasm]

Yes, you have to do both

[tall torrent]

No respite isn’t a horrible choice but Vraks7 is very focused on getting 1 taps rn

[radiant chasm]

But it is easy on vet with surgical and crit bonuses from talents

[radiant chasm]

It is the former meta

But everything from deadly accurate and surgical and headhunter to the rifles themselves got buffed and just put the old build behind

[normal spruce]

When was this buff? so I can look at the patch notes

[tall torrent]

Patch 13

[radiant chasm]

Also the reason crit damage perk is bad because crit damage only applies to the bonus crit damage, not the entire hit

[tall torrent]

October 04, 2023

I think

And yes crit dmg perk is ALWAYS bad

[radiant chasm]

Deadly accurate is the same, only boosts the critical weakspot damage, not the entire hit

But it is a large enough number to work

25% to an important armor type or even 10% elites/specialists will give you way more

[tall torrent]

10% elite is usually pretty good

10% specialist not so much

Vraks7 wants specifically unarmored + flak

[radiant chasm]

Yee 10% specialist isnt good

[normal spruce]

So I should go for unarmored then? The guide has both listed, I can wait and grind for a better blessing too

[radiant chasm]

But it is better than crit damage

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + flak is the default recommendation

[radiant chasm]

I dont like unarmored for vraks 7 i got maniac to compensate for the poor maniac damage

But it is betyer

Im just biased

[tall torrent]

Optionally swap flak to elite if you’re still able to get scab gunner 1 weakspot non-crit consistently

Flak also gives you 1 weakspot crit vs scab rager

When u have Deadly Accurate

[radiant chasm]

Yee

Unarmored better i just good enough that i pick preference

[normal spruce]

I'm lacking in diamantine for the refinement, gotta do a match

[frail topaz]

I believe in the next change/update there’s going to be a method of downgrading material for currency due to how much abundance everyone has of diamantine

[late hatch]

[frail topaz]

Man that is the J word right there^^

Hehehehe

[late hatch]

I might play this game too much hehe

[frail topaz]

Fucker has the mourningstar bank vault

At least you have enough for all future non-premium cosmetics

[late hatch]

Im not really shy about rolling new weapons, its just I already have good-great rolls for most of them

Might hit 1k hours grinding all the new penances

[radiant chasm]

I’d rather them just add a diamantine dump or adjust it in someway instead of doing that cop out

[grizzled pebble]

[last parcel]

so

we pulling out the guillotine or?

[radiant chasm]

If this is about survivalist

I’m owed a nickel

[frail topaz]

Fucking hell haha 🥷🏽

[opal dove]

My fellow Vets, any advice with "Be Methodical"?

[late hatch]

Is that the consecutive headshots?

[frail topaz]

Anyone doing auric maelstrom title?

[radiant chasm]

Please continue templar

[opal dove]

Keep Volley Fire going for 20secs, 5 times

[frail topaz]

I’ve got the exemplar now doing meastrom penance

[midnight mortar]

You may want to use a slower firing weapon if you find yourself having trouble with it.

[radiant chasm]

Get the refresh on killing trash shooters

[midnight mortar]

The MG XII, Helbore mk2, or mk3 may make it easier for you.

[late hatch]

Dont wait for your mag to empty, reload immediately after a kill for uptime, and take the all shooters perk

[midnight mortar]

And of course, exec stance with highlighting all shooters.

[radiant chasm]

And any gun with good ammo economy

[frail topaz]

Hi intensity troop gauntlet in tight corridors allows for this I forgot the map but I used recon las gun and it was on the train tracks indoors at night

[radiant chasm]

Recon is not what i’d use

[grizzled pebble]

Just use the one and only gun(s) columbus/plasma.

[radiant chasm]

Im using a brauto for it and just playing like pre patch 13

[frail topaz]

Really? I literally stay in stance continually using it! Very very underrated

[opal dove]

Also, I'm guessing is better doing it with friends asking them not to kill my yellow bois

[frail topaz]

Scab shot gunners at pox hounds are your best friends now

When they come as a group

[radiant chasm]

Basically any other las will be more efficient

[late hatch]

Be the vanguard, kill everything before anyone else can!

[radiant chasm]

Pistol, inf las, helbores

[frail topaz]

Funnel them into an area there’s lots of maps which allow tight choke points

[radiant chasm]

Dont take ally highlight

[opal dove]

I think is better if I kill one, let the Volloy Fire go down a few seconds, then the next one... To keep it running for a longer time?

[radiant chasm]

It is waste of point

[midnight mortar]

I remember naturally getting that penance years ago just naturally playing exec stance vet with an MG XII.

[frail topaz]

The other 3 are okay I don’t use the Ogryn one either

[late hatch]

mg12 is ye olde reliable

[opal dove]

Hmmm this is interesting. I'm thinking about Hunting Grounds now...

[radiant chasm]

If you are on a high enough difficulty you wont need to

[midnight mortar]

It helps when you can just clean up shooter squads that people neglect trying to focus down gunners. With a well built helbore or MG XII you'll have the fastest TTK on reapers with headshots too.

[radiant chasm]

I got it with agri brauto way way back

[frail topaz]

People will hog the kills but they contribute to refilling it… Tripp gauntlet is better

There will be enough ranged enemies on higher difficulties

[radiant chasm]

Love me my agri brauto

[frail topaz]

Chasm terminus is good map I believe

[radiant chasm]

My beloved rambo gun

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-first-blood-gif-23989356

[frail topaz]

M60

Imagine

[opal dove]

Do lower tier enemies count if their are highlighted too?

[frail topaz]

Yes ranged and specials, elites

As long as they’re highlighted for you and you get the kill

[radiant chasm]

Agri brauto when ff and ds were both power blessings might as well be

[opal dove]

Perfect

[last parcel]

no, the obscene amount of resrouces in the post directly above

[late hatch]

Is there a mod for spamming the Diamantine voiceline?

[frail topaz]

Don’t get the team highlight one

[pallid jetty]

i believe if they are not highlighted cause they are very far, they still count

[opal dove]

Thanks for the help, everyone. It's an honor to be a part of the Guard

[radiant chasm]

I could kill reaper through a mixed horde with my agri brauto

[opal dove]

Yeah, I figured this out

[radiant chasm]

I’m mother fuckin imperium moses parting the green sea

[frail topaz]

Well when I’m pew pew pew I think it still counts

There usually bunched up regardless anyway

[radiant chasm]

Just to blast down the specialist or elite on the other side

Loved it

Damn now i wanna play vet

[opal dove]

Again, thanks for the help, guys!

Don't mess with the Guard!

[late hatch]

For the Emprah

[frail topaz]

Bro that cat! Is literally the Veteran toughness ability

[somber axle]

psst question for any headhunter users

do you use Determined with the Headhunter Autoguns?

is the suppression immunity node important for it?

[pallid jetty]

i think its not bad

(i dont remember if i run it on my hh)

[trim steppe]

Apparently you have to shoot them, it doesn't count no-damage shoves

[dreamy spade]

I use mark7 and its useful to keep hitting headshots, there is also a blessing that gives suppression immunity

[bitter turtle]

yes

you need it for v7

v3 not as much because it plays like an iag in disguise

but with burst fire and more pnipoint accuracy

but less raw dps

and dont get the blessing for suppression immunity

that is a waste

v7 is built in a very particular way and there is nothing you can swap out

[dreamy spade]

I use it on zealot so I have to lol

[bitter turtle]

man

you might as well us e something else then

giving up surgical or DA is both pretty shitty

i guess it'd have to be DA

[amber cliff]

bring back pre patch 13 vet

[dreamy spade]

Yeah I have DA

Surgical is good for first shot, but in continuous fire it doesnt do anything

I guess 0.2 seconds gap is doable but my zealot build uses fury so my crit chance is already good

[bitter turtle]

well

i imagine its just not played the same way if you tried it on zealot ig

you build it on vet to oneshot most enemies

the only thing you really spam shots on is crushers if you need it, but its not super efficient

or mauler bodies

[dreamy spade]

I use chastise to penetrate carapace

Perks, carapace and +5% crit chance

[bitter turtle]

well

to clarify its not like its terrible dps

but its just a waste of bullets and deadshot stamina

for vet at least

it actually gets something like 2k on vet

armor downgrade would change that though ye

[dreamy spade]

I orginally was using boltgun but uh

As you can tell

I dont like it

[opal dove]

Jut got "Be Methodical". Quite easy if you control your reloads and highlight the shitty gunners too 👍

[frail topaz]

Well done 👑

[normal spruce]

Which one of these would be your pick? The chainsword had no modifications done to it

[agile forge]

They have different niches tbh

But that psword is a brick

You could make the csword good I think

Not having power Cycler sucks

[pallid jetty]

2 different weapons (?)

[normal spruce]

Horde clear is my focus, but killing some elites is good too

[agile forge]

Yeah, you'd use each on a different build

[agile forge]

The only problem with CSword is that it is bad on carapace

[pallid jetty]

just make the build around the weapon

[agile forge]

Power Sword 6 is pretty good to great on carapace

[pallid jetty]

its like a base

[agile forge]

But csword is faster on horde clear

I use a chainsword with my plasma

And a power sword on my CIAG

[normal spruce]

Wait, you are supposed to make a build out of the melee weapon? I mean focusing on it

[pallid jetty]

and i prefer the stardart shovel

its all preference

[agile forge]

Out of the ranged really

For Veteran typically

[white minnow]

you could if you want to

mostly just going down weapon spec and taking some melee nodes

[pallid jetty]

there are ways, lets say

what style you prefer

[agile forge]

Shovel 7 is love, shovel 7 is life

[pallid jetty]

monitorum

[agile forge]

Stabbing Crushers in the face with the spike so they instantly fucking die is addictive

Nah I'm all about the dopamine

Standard shovel isn't bad

But it isn't a 7

[dire olive]

Breaking a mutant's teeth and stopping them mid charge with the standard shovel jab is very funny

(yeah I know the others will one shot it)

[coral bloom]

How is veteran with survivalist cooldown?
Not counting dog packs, wonder how decreased ammo sustain is in auric damn.

[agile forge]

I wasn't using that aura on my helbore build anyway lmao

[normal spruce]

I use the same melee weapon on all 3 of my classes tbh, MG Ia infantry lasgun, MK VII Headhunter, and Mk V infantry autogun

[agile forge]

Some weapons are basically untouched

[normal spruce]

I should probably change that

[agile forge]

Ranged you mean

Unless you are secret ogryn

[normal spruce]

I use the MK IV Power Sword on all of my 3 classes

[agile forge]

Oh, by classes you mean loadouts

Mark VI btw

[normal spruce]

Oh yeah that's what I meant

Right

[agile forge]

You should definitely try to build a better one though

Power Cycler makes it so much better

Even only rank 3

[normal spruce]

Yeah, I will be switching to Chainsword on some, Power Cycler is my dream

[bitter turtle]

its really not a big deal unless you were someone who just "never melee ever" before

most guns were not picking up very much ammo before

[coral bloom]

Still havent gotten PC 4

Ive waited to even try power sword.

[agile forge]

If your ranged handles Carapace already (or you run kraks), then chainsword 4 is the tits

[agile forge]

PC3 is fine

4 better, but 3 is enough for your main combos

[coral bloom]

I ran missions without needing any ammo pickup at all.
Just curious and cant play atm.

[normal spruce]

I run kraks, I'm going to be using MK V Infantry Autogun next, with deathspitter 3 and dumdum 2, the perks are 25% flak and one locked 1.5 stamina

[amber cliff]

Any hellobore builds?

ive got a pretty good one

[normal spruce]

Have a single transcendent helbore, but it's kind of a brick

[woven vigil]

any Laspistol users wanna chime in whether this would be worth snagging at Milks?

never really used one before but wanna give it a try to keep it fresh on my vet

[winter grove]

What do y'all think of MG12?

Decided to actually try it out

MG1a is good and all but I really wanna onetap heads with infantry lasguns

[winter grove]

That's actually a good one

Ammo is a bit low, but as if ammo was a problem for lasweaponry

(Forget recon exists)

[woven vigil]

what are the desired perks and blessings usually? flak/maniac? Infernus/ghost?

[shadow aurora]

Is anyone else upset that they made some of the penances easier?

Or is that a me thing

[bitter turtle]

switch to ghost/dumdum

the perks are fine

stat wise

stopping power is low

which is bad

but

its fine

[agile forge]

Iirc they have similar breakpoints but the 12 is slower and less efficient?

If you want a punchier Las weapon go helborr

The mark 2 is great

Slow swap speed but has the bayonet

[winter grove]

I have 66%(?) On mg12

[winter grove]

Mg12 can actually hit 1 hit breakpoints

Like gunners

[agile forge]

Ah, cool

[winter grove]

Makes all the difference in the world tbf

But yeah it's slower

Less recoil that way ig

[winter grove]

Nah, not a fan of hells

[agile forge]

Ironsights get you down?

[winter grove]

Uncharged dmg is on par with mg4

[agile forge]

They're more of a close-midrange weapon tbh

[winter grove]

Mg4 at least have shooting speed to make up for it

[last parcel]

have you tried charging them

[winter grove]

Yeah

[agile forge]

The MK2 has very fast charging

[winter grove]

Exact mechanic that I am not a fan of

[last parcel]

fair enough

[winter grove]

Hey soldier, wondering if this is actually safe since the mod page says it really isn't

[normal spruce]

The mod just replaces DLSS 3 with FSR 3, shouldn't be a problem

[winter grove]

Fuck it, I am desperate for more frames

[normal spruce]

How many FPS are you getting right now? Frame generation will increase your latency, as the frames generated aren't "actual" frames, but the game will look smoother

[winter grove]

Fuck if I know, def below 60

[shadow aurora]

You should be able to turn on an fps counter

[normal spruce]

If you have an Nvidia GPU, and have Geforce Experience, you can use ALT + R to see your FPS. Otherwise you can use Windows Key + G to use Xbox Game Bar to see your FPS

[nocturne mulch]

Mk3 helbore lets you get bodyshot 1 hits tho

[nocturne mulch]

All the infantry lasguns are good

[winter grove]

40~ FPS

[woeful ibex]

needs some help regarding adept assassin

So headshots only?

Whats the best gun to use for this challenge?

[idle swallow]

Probably a revolver with surgical, as usual for a lot of things

[woeful ibex]

ok

[winter grove]

66% stopping power on mg12

Is it really bad?

[vagrant sphinx]

Anyone have a slapping commissar bolt gun build that’s perfect for endgame, my vet is max level but I’m tired of RPing a krieg, want to take command 🤘🏻

[candid agate]

fellas is the auric maelstrom mission too dangerous to try my hand at not dying in it cause im 3/5 for the penance

[iron marten]

depends on the condition

I breezed through melee only and shooters mainly

and then I died at 4/5 with extra poxbursters and waves of specialists, lmao

figure out your strengths!

[woeful ibex]

wat

[umbral scaffold]

had the same problem, not worth getting bad habits
just find a bomber and jump back and forth into the fire to farm it

[candid agate]

just realised how short all the operatives are

[trim hemlock]

Typically SP helps with maintaining good damage against relevant health types, notably Flak. 66 is not the end of the world, albeit the higher, the better (I.e., it will be easier for your to reach certain relevant kill thresholds, especially since Mg12 cares about such quite a bit)

[agile forge]

Stopping Power tends to have a bigger impact on your damage than the Damage stat does tbh

On most guns

[winter grove]

My last MG12 got bricked by hadron so I had to roll for a better one

New one has good damage, stability and SP

Bit low on ammo front

But as if ammo was a problem on lasguns

Shit's low priority anyway

[agile forge]

We have that talent to help with it now too

[winter grove]

Yup

I also wanted to make some amends to lasgun build I've been using to make it more infantry lasgun optimised

And uh

It was already optimised to fullest for those

I also noticed with that build that keystones really are just side bonuses for vet

And having none isn't end of the world

[agile forge]

Grenade keystone is apparently a thing

As in, skip keystones and get all the grenade talents instead

[winter grove]

Lmao

I mean that sounds viable

[agile forge]

Yeah, haven't tried it yet but it's on the list

After I get a decent WS build

Idk how to even approach that. Melee focused with a zarona or plasma I guess?

Or bolter maybe

I feel like the shovel 7 would make a great weapon for melee focused vet

Or any vet really lmao

Swear to Jimmy, that's the best veteran melee weapon right now and nobody even uses it

[sharp ember]

love my secret grenade keystone build

[agile forge]

Smokes right?

;)

[sharp ember]

...sometimes

i run an infantry autogun for an all-rounder with it

[finite imp]

You smoke vets disgust me

Eugh

Ew

Gross

[sturdy crow]

I'm seeing a lot of vets using smoke now, what's up with that?

[finite imp]

Brain rot

[agile forge]

They got buffed

[sharp ember]

they got buffed semi-recently

[agile forge]

They're actually really good against gunners

[sharp ember]

it makes ranged enemies stop shooting in general as long as you're inside the smoke or behind it

and it finally works on snipers

[winter grove]

I've got a good WS build actually

[agile forge]

Still feel like they're the worst grenades on vet but eh

They are actually good at least

[sharp ember]

for a non-killing grenade they're decent for taking the heat off now

[agile forge]

They feel like the psyker bubble tbh

But without the toughness regen

[sharp ember]

good for removing line of sight from specials like flamers and trappers, so they just walk inside and throw their lives away in the melee meatgrinder

[winter grove]

@agile forge
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd51d34-807d-4f7f-9fcc-c639a785d299/stealth-taxes-invisible-irs

[sharp ember]

right now i'm farming the tactical black armor penance for using vet stealth

[winter grove]

Considering that I went smoke here you don't even need grenade regen most of the time

Demo Team should give you enough smokes whenever you actually need them

(Actively hiding the fact I took them for point economy)

[agile forge]

Atrox might be a little too spicy for my liking

[sharp ember]

we love point economy, but yeah smooth runs often make you not need to use smoke for a while, or just deal with it with grenade pickups

[agile forge]

But I will try similar with shovel

[agile forge]

I would feel very bad wasting pickups on smokes though lmao

[sharp ember]

it's nice greeding grenade boxes when a few of your squadmates are using non-grenade throwables

[agile forge]

I feel like worse grenades need regen talents more

[winter grove]

Oh I swear this thing fucks with melee dedicated vet

[junior needle]

It is unless the game has anticheat that prevents/bans you for game modifications, even innocent and mundane ones. Darktide has currently scuffed its anticheat to allow for people to mod the game, and so should perfectly fine.

Extremely unlikely to be an issue but I am using it myself so if anything happens I will also be affected.

[agile forge]

I don't mind taking a grenade box or two on my CIAG build that skips grenade regen talents

[winter grove]

Light spam crusher to death in example

[sharp ember]

yeah i had a psyker and a rock ogryn so nobody's gonna miss a box we're already walking past

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230677719692607488/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.04.19_-_11.33.07.02.mp4?ex=663430f1&is=6621bbf1&hm=5a70e53b94e18038f30aeac6dc4c521e18d3df980722d0b081271f243f195a9d&

[winter grove]

Then another question, does it work with all Nvidia cards or only specific ones?

[junior needle]

Couldn't tell you exactly how it's calculated but % damage increases shouldn't have any unexpected interactions with adm's. Should just give you the expected bonus damage as normal.

[junior needle]

No clue

I'm using it on a 3080

[winter grove]

Then it either doesn't work with 1050ti or I am stupid and blind and didn't see frame generation

[junior needle]

Did you put it in the right folder?

[winter grove]

It's binaries folder yes?

[agile forge]

It works OK on hordes?

[winter grove]

Why it shouldn't?

It works fine everywhere

Heads up tho

Don't use heavies on carapace

[agile forge]

I would guess something like any of the combat axes would be the boring-yet-practical choice

[winter grove]

There's a reason I light spammed the crusher

[winter grove]

Rolling for a good rashad makes you wish for nuclear winter

[serene bough]

If tac axe had uncanny strikes id use it

[agile forge]

It really does lmao

[winter grove]

Taxes don't need uncanny tho

[serene bough]

Knife is faster

[winter grove]

I know

[serene bough]

I want to like it but it's really hard to compete with the knife as long as one has uncanny and the other doesn't

[winter grove]

Not gard to compete when I literally turn my brain off and spam light attacks

Bruiser 2 hit breakpoint ❤️

[agile forge]

Does it actually cleave?

I presumed it would be like a combat axe and stop on 1

[winter grove]

Taxes do have cleave, not a good one tho

[agile forge]

Without bm

[winter grove]

But HT can fix that

[agile forge]

Oh shit, that helps it a bit

[winter grove]

You could grab MK2 if you want tho

Lights for single target and heavies for cc

It's just mk4 is the most simple option of "light attack everything"

Mk7 has the worst moveset

Imagine chainsword mk13 but as an axe

[agile forge]

I briefly tried both the 4 and the 7 on my zealot pre-13 for a crit build

Didn't like the 7 because capped heavies

4 felt like a bad rashad lol

[winter grove]

Mk7 is the worse one

[winter grove]

😬

[agile forge]

7 wasn't too bad in theory but I heard one of the attacks is bugged

[winter grove]

You aren't that far from truth

[agile forge]

I did like the special combo on tac axes though

That was fun

[winter grove]

Speaking of special

There's a funky video laying somewhere regarding mk4 special attack

Found it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230379797822050314/2024-04-18_00-49-33.mp4?ex=66331b7b&is=6620a67b&hm=6293bd767ef80b59d008c1617509ae7195901d7dcccccaa2519bb3e2a3f9fe2f&

[wraith flare]

Man why is weapon specialist hilariously bad

[gusty bison]

??

Its one of the best keystones

[wraith flare]

in what universe

[gusty bison]

Granted it combos with some weapons better than others

[gusty bison]

Toughness on demand and bottomless revolver clip are extremely powerful.

Never mind guaranteed crit shot on swap and extra melee attack speed

[wraith flare]

id accept it being useful if the crit % lasted for more than 1 shot

[gusty bison]

You only need 1 shot with the guns you wanna use weapon spec with.

Swap shoot swap back.

The big bonus on the core keystone is the MASSIVE melee attack speed buff

[finite imp]

You should try being wrong competitively. You're very talented at it.

[winter grove]

It does if I am not wrong

[wraith flare]

Idk man, id rather use revolver with the middle tree and be able to 1 shot anyone without needing to stab an enemy or two between the shots

[wanton dawn]

Probably cuz you play it wrong idk

[winter grove]

Kill one guy with stray revolver/shotgun shot
Becomes blender

[austere badger]

Well I have mountains of plasteel. Any idea what weapon I should roll?

[winter grove]

Don't tell me you're playing WS like ranged

[gusty bison]

The point is its a revolver.

Why arent you stabbing people between shots? It has instaswap

[winter grove]

Atrox mk4 if you haven't tried

[wraith flare]

Atleast i dont start critting while trying it out in the psykhanium other than the first shot

[wraith flare]

Definitely not

[austere badger]

I really dislike all the capstones on vet 😦

I'm just using them for achievements.

[winter grove]

They're not necessary too, so dw

[gusty bison]

Try the helbore series if u havent already.

They dont need capstones

[winter grove]

Then I don't see your point

[austere badger]

I did, but only the fast one was able to keep up with my needs on auric. It has such weird breakpoints.

[gusty bison]

The point of WS is its predominantly a melee buff that also makes ur ranged weapon better in situations where u need to quickly swap to it to deal with a threat then get back to meleeing

[winter grove]

^

[gusty bison]

Vet melee is amazing and competitive with zealot in terms of raw damage

We just have less mobility and durability

[winter grove]

I had many games where I outdamaged zealot with ws atrox mr4

[austere badger]

The toughness damage reduction can get to 100 percent with the right talents temporarily lol

[winter grove]

In melee

[wanton dawn]

I have many game where i outdps in ranged and melee

[gusty bison]

TDR is multiplicative not additive. So it never gets to 100%

[winter grove]

«Lol», said the scorpion. «Lmao»

[austere badger]

Some sources are additive and some are multiplicative. It does never get to 100 percent though.

[wanton dawn]

? Its true though

Vet has way, way worse passive survability

[gusty bison]

Ok. Im thinking of the crit chastise zealot build lel.

Hard to beat mobility and durability on that

[austere badger]

Good ol' Fat Shark ™️ consistency.

[gusty bison]

Aye

[winter grove]

Yeah that's just unkillable

[austere badger]

I've been using knife revolver ws on vet for too long and it's boring since I'm basically doing the same thing on zealot.

I don't want to burn out while penance hunting.

[winter grove]

Atrox 4 is a fun knife alternative

[gusty bison]

Ah u looking for a melee weapon? Mk 3 shovel is good fun

[winter grove]

Staggers everything

[wanton dawn]

Passive node of same type are additive. Buff with stacks are additive

Different source are multiplicative

[austere badger]

Maybe it's time for a parry vet.

[gusty bison]

Devil claw

:)

[winter grove]

Inb4 anything

I used dclaw on ws vet

[wanton dawn]

Sunder psword for the silly experience

[austere badger]

I have all the meta stuff rolled already. So now it's time for wacky crap.

[winter grove]

It's nice, but you aren't gonna have anti-carapace options

[austere badger]

All the pswords feel weird.

[winter grove]

Unless you use guns

[wanton dawn]

Ws sunder ps6 is really, really silly

[austere badger]

Well I need Krak grenade kills.

So many kills.

[gusty bison]

Mk 2 has great BPs if you have Unarmoured + Maniac

The trick with the Mk 1 and Mk 3 is you dont need to full charge it sometimes.

[winter grove]

I've got a ws dclaw build for you then

With kraks

I'll go grab it rq

[austere badger]

I'm in.

Slap chop build inc

[winter grove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bdc5831-9c0d-4f19-940b-e89f6712a982/shotgun-parry

Swap wrath for shred if you want crits

Also i think I fucked up

Oh wait I did

[austere badger]

Oh my, a shotgun build

[winter grove]

I put flak on shotgun

It should be maniac

[austere badger]

I miss being able to shoot through walls.

Well I already have the shotgun for this. Time to rolls claws.

Samurai time.

[umbral flower]

https://youtu.be/xoHQpSH6geE?si=5_3PwGGVlhxsXp4A I tested and it hurts 💀 but a way to fix this is to at least increase the percentage of ammo we get back maybe something like 5% i think it would be make a better option instead of just 1% and the 5sec cooldown, what are your thoughts about it?

[umbral flower]

That build is so good

[winter grove]

Best way to use survivalist is to not use it at all

Actually jk

No ammo pick-ups are nightmare even as stealth builds

[umbral flower]

1% is really bad with the 5sec cooldown 💀

[umbral flower]

Indeed

[winter grove]

Doable

[umbral flower]

If they increase the % would make it balanced

[winter grove]

God damn psykers not getting affected at all

[umbral flower]

I ran a match in the same Mealstrom with all Psykers squad and it was easy asf

[winter grove]

Man I wonder why

They do get plasma gun with infinite ammo (voidstrike)

[hoary horizon]

Ulgo try knife on sneaky vet. Had fun!

Like knife lots

[umbral flower]

I tried and it's so good

[hoary horizon]

Agreed! Not at all like sneaky zealot!

Sure we go sneaky stabby but Ulgo like slashy hordes!

[winter grove]

Yeah because stealth zealots are not fun to play with

[umbral flower]

Zealots can just zoom through the map like its nothing

[winter grove]

And then die

[umbral flower]

Yesterday i lost a Mealstrom bc of that shit

[hoary horizon]

Veteran too but not interested in it

[umbral flower]

Bro was speed running the mission and left us there being killed with crazy amount of gunners and reapers

[finite hawk]

5% would be way too much, I think the issue is with the cool down, reducing it to maybe 3 seconds might do the trick?

[gusty bison]

Speedrunning makes the game harder for everyone else cos it draws extra aggro.

So yea guy was being a dick

[winter grove]

I think nerf finally reminds people that melee is labeled as primary weapon

[fringe onyx]

Didn't really feel like a nerf even on auric

[balmy flume]

Well, in attempting deathless/no-down runs one thing good has come of it...

...I have finally moved into Triple Toughness Curios

[balmy flume]

I recall meeting a really weird Zealot in PUG where they just zoom to the airlock, aggro everything and didn't even fight anything.

At least fight FFS. IIRC we vote kicked the zealot.

[gusty bison]

Honestly, im still having more than enough ammo. Its just that instead of picking up zero ammo tins, im picking up like... 3-4. In an entire run.

Thats fine and still way below my share of ammo

Ur also using the most intensive ammo weapon on the modifier specifically designed to punish intensive ammo usage. So it being a struggle is working as intended

[balmy flume]

And extra special spawns

[cedar abyss]

Thank you so much 😊 Is this the first guide?

WOW I think I got a pretty good knife here! Should I change the perks at all?

[winter grove]

That first target tho

[junior needle]

The guide is in the pins

First decide whether you want to keep mercy killer

It requires a talent tax in serrated blade to function

It also doesn't really help with horde clear due to only working on a previously bleeding target

[severe gale]

personally i think you should swap unrmored to flak/maniac/carapce, and mercy killer to finesse on dodge (i think executor)

that’s the “meta” knife

[agile forge]

The problem isn't with stealth zealot's design. It's with stealth zealot's players.

If you play with it responsibly then you're a decent backline clearer

But if you go further than the backline then you're a twat.

[junior needle]

You're thinking of precog

[gusty bison]

Its the same as some gunpsykers and bolter vets.

If you are killing elite enemies you are doing good.

If you are magdumping chaff you are a twat :P

[junior needle]

Riposte and precog are the most generalist and useful

Unarmored can help on clear where the knife traditionally struggles but it depends

[agile forge]

Tbh with gunker that depends on the gun too lol

I shoot shooters with CIAG

I assail them more but sometimes I shoot them

[gusty bison]

Shooters arent quite chaff tbh

Chaff is like, groaners, poxwalkers

[radiant chasm]

Non elite shooters def can be chaff

Ever open a big door and a whole regiment is on the other side?

[normal spruce]

This is pretty good right? I love it personally, no Elite damage, but had to re bless it to get headhunter

[midnight totem]

auric storm survivor acquired yesterday, atoma elite guard done this morning

now for the greatest challenge of all... not going down 15 times

and yeah, thats a good lasgun

[thick rose]

to get to the end of the penance track, what % of penances do you need... I guess im wondering how close to 100% it is

[midnight totem]

it looks almost 100 percent to me

[burnt raven]

Some dude earlier said there is about 100 points worth of wiggle room give or take but idk if that's true or not

[thick rose]

so few people are going to ever clear that

unless they add penances

[junior needle]

They’re technically ranged chaffe, but yeah when people talk about chaffe it’s bruisers, poxes, groaners

Shooters are obviously something to be handled primarily with your gun

[vernal harbor]

we all in agreement survivalist is gone or

[tall torrent]

Wdym gone

[radiant chasm]

It went from SSS tier to S tier calm down

I had to pick up 5 small ammo pickups with my brauto build now

[vernal harbor]

i use to shoot my gun, you know

[late hatch]

Its like when they nerfed bolter all over again

[radiant chasm]

Except bolter was actually bad

This is like the powercycler nerf

[late hatch]

Bolter wasnt really bad, it just wasnt top tier anymore

[radiant chasm]

You literally just need to be a bit more conservative and occasionally pick up some ammo

Imagine if darcy was here

To see this

[vernal harbor]

idk who darcy is but im here and im not afraid

[white minnow]

there's plenty of ammo on the map and along with ammo crates

[vernal harbor]

i got my blade on me ill be that samurai this warband needs yup

[radiant chasm]

Legendary veteran chatter

[vernal harbor]

thats a negative thing

[radiant chasm]

Final act was flaming and harassing and ogryn PT for assuming the other class testers conspired to ruin veteran.

[vernal harbor]

this place is tainted by the meta

corrupted

[vernal harbor]

saw that coming lol

[radiant chasm]

And then arguing with the mod that told her to stop

[vernal harbor]

yeah im a veteran, of course i make people nervous in public

[viscid sparrow]

if there is a group of people who I choose to respect, its moderators. Then again, i have never been on reddit, so I never have experienced the kind of moderators who don't deserve respect...

[vernal harbor]

i joined here in nov and loved the talks about stats and stuff, then they never stopped, just kept going in circles and i said "wow this is some crazy shit!" and now i come here just to see if any psychos caused any incidents

[vernal harbor]

dilara sees you

[faint beacon]

I think there was a few vets in here saying it genuinely gutted Veteran as a class, not any of the regulars I recognized though so it’s your usual reactionary reaction to nerfs etc

[wanton dawn]

The only time vet was gutted was p13

[faint beacon]

Me who usually swaps between gun and melee all the time it really doesn’t effect me

[vernal harbor]

i love being a reactionary and id say its brought it down to a steady 'pick-something-else' and just conserve ammo, like dude said the ammo drops have been ramped up

[faint beacon]

That and at least it encourages different aura picks cause I mean cmon before it’s change you were practically throwing not having it lmao

[viscid sparrow]

which update was p13? I never remember what numbers belong to what patch...

[vernal harbor]

13

[wanton dawn]

The one which introduced tree and keystone except wz has no keystone

[faint beacon]

Ah yes

The fuck you in particular veteran players update

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

Also known has "allegebly recon shining moment"

[viscid sparrow]

ohhh right yeah, and somehow vet was more fun without keystones for some people, including myself, due to more freedom on what to spec into...

[faint beacon]

Damn positive Grenadier was even more damn stupid before it

The addition of keystones I should say for Vet

[faint beacon]

The rollercoaster of a gun that is the recon

[radiant chasm]

Tbf they openly admitted it cause they didnt finish vet keystones and had to rework them

The original idea for vet keystones was each would require a different set of weapons

[hearty panther]

vet's been a mess from the word go

[radiant chasm]

It was also just terribly taxing and vet had terrible innate stats

[hearty panther]

vet tree has always been utterly cracked for stats

[wanton dawn]

Am just saying that it is the only genuine time vet was gutted

[hearty panther]

first, survivalist

second, voc

third, vet now has the strongest keystones based on numbers and output but nobody uses them because he has regular nodes that are stronger

[sharp epoch]

what are you saying, vets keystones are bad

[hearty panther]

^

this is why youll never get a good read from vet players

[junior needle]

People don't use them because they don't like the activation methods

[white minnow]

the time of peace is over

[hearty panther]

darcys reign is over

[late hatch]

tbh i run with no keystone most of the time

[wanton dawn]

Erm, I don't think going keystoneless make sense optimization wise

[sharp epoch]

exactly the keystones have minimal impact unlike other classes

[wanton dawn]

but hey, you do you

Am not policing buildmaking. Unless you take determined on plasma

[late hatch]

this is my regular build with ps and c5 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046042037172043857/1231553514048851988/image.png?ex=66376096&is=6624eb96&hm=ead90613d95db74010987d0f580edc6c223633ceca71fa05769a1ff31091d58d&

[sharp ember]

my favorite keystone is grenade keystone
305435 dead shotgunners ragers maulers gunners shooters hordes

[white minnow]

though i frankly consider vet's keystones to be more on the sane side of things

[normal spruce]

I thought Focus Target was decent, though I haven't to level 30 with other classes

[tall torrent]

Being totally honest I’d drop FTE for demo team

[white minnow]

and moreso keystones of other classes being a combination of braindead + giving too much

[junior needle]

Focus target works well, but if you don't bind it to left click people find the added button press every time you kill something to be tedious

[tall torrent]

You don’t have to play it by binding to left click, people just are too lazy

[white minnow]

what bad keybinds does to mfs

[late hatch]

which ones FTE? bottom middle left? above iron?

[junior needle]

I never said you had to, but I agree it's extra effort and tedium just to "work" compared to the majority of otherwise passive keystones

[sharp epoch]

It gives like 15 or 25% more damage meaning it barely changes any breakpoiints so it's not that useful except for the super high health targets like bosses and the occassional ogryn

[tall torrent]

Middle branch, middle ability modifier

[tall torrent]

15% dmg is a LOT in this game lol

[wanton dawn]

Dropping tinkerer, grenade box, team leader save you 4 points that could be invested in either a keystone or longshot+exil

[junior needle]

I've seen plenty of vets in my games not use left click ping and do it manually, only to have every single kill sniped by my revolver zealot

[sharp epoch]

It's really not it adds like 30 damage or something lol

[normal spruce]

I use scroll wheel click which is the default I think, I sometimes forget to use it though. I don't know about the other classes keystones to compare

[tall torrent]

Getting over a breakpoint because u took that vs not getting it is a massive difference

[junior needle]

15% dmg would be 30 if you do 200 damage

[wanton dawn]

Not saying it is bad again, but imo keystoneless is about ppl going for "more" stuff rather than "better"

[junior needle]

Guns regularly do more than that

Depending

[vernal harbor]

keystones more like peestones

[sharp epoch]

I tested the full stacked marking thing it doesn't change most breakpoints only some niche ones like killing poxbursters in one hit but you also need infested 25% too

[last parcel]

pee out my stones lmao

[tall torrent]

What gun?

[hearty panther]

keystoneless is being generalist. instead of picking a keystone that only buffs your gun/tagged enemy damage/does something when you swap, you do something potent at all times

[vernal harbor]

weapon specialist keystone is for yappers

[sharp epoch]

plasma

[wanton dawn]

Don't pee out stones pls

[tall torrent]

Plasma wants focus target

[hearty panther]

like why is agile engagement what it is when weapon specialist is also trying to compete with it lol

[wet elk]

plasma gun is the best

[junior needle]

Yeah focus target eliminates a lot of the stat nitpicking you'd otherwise do

[white minnow]

yeah it's an a consideration that i can drop keystones if i do want to go for something on vet's tree compared to psyker/zealot, though I did have a period where i went keystoneless on psyker

[hearty panther]

one is an easy travel node and the other is buried in at the bottom

[wanton dawn]

agile engagement+WS has very strong setup

[sharp epoch]

I mean why does plasma need it? The marking doesnt change any breakpoints

[hearty panther]

why take MF when you can just take precison strike and desperado and the 20% weakspot power node

and have better access to other options

its just a fucking mess

[vernal harbor]

behold, vet chat full circle, the plasma meta is here for discussion

[tall torrent]

Dreg Gunner 1HS
Both flamer 1HS

You don’t need to take longshot for these

Redirect fire does it for u

[sharp epoch]

flamers are already 1 HS, and I didn't think dreg flamers were one hit ill test thag though

[tall torrent]

Without maniac/specialist perk, no

It’s a little below 1400 if you only grab both 5% ranged dmg nodes + precision strikes

[wanton dawn]

Well, I have one: finesse applies to crit too

Also desperado is melee only

[midnight totem]

Mf?

[wanton dawn]

Left keystone

[midnight totem]

Oh marksman focus

[sharp epoch]

That's a lot of waste of nodes on the left side just to one shot one enemy type though

I just take maniac and don't run the keystone or waste it on the left side tree

[wanton dawn]

I mean, this part is never wasted

[tall torrent]

They’re also one of the more dangerous enemies to deal with and frequently spawn in, I don’t see why you would not aim to 1 shot them if possible

Plus, plasma has a bunch of perk combinations u can go for, I think the strongest rn is elite+flak but that’s just me

[soft solstice]

those left nodes are also as good for melee as they are for your gun too

[sharp epoch]

Does that let you one shot trappers in the body? Cause that's one breakpoint I like

[tall torrent]

You don’t need maniac to do it, it’s by default

Maniac is only ever for flamer 1HS without some further node investments

If those further node investments are genuinely good (which they are), I don’t see myself using maniac on plasma

[sharp epoch]

whats annoying is the new toxbombers occasionally survive headshots

[tall torrent]

They don’t

1000 unarmored

Only explanation is prob wonky hitbox

[cedar abyss]

I did try it out and it seems really unsatisfing to me. I could replace it for precognition like meow suggested, I can steal it from this other knife

[strange root]

Is there any prevailing wisdom on good general purpose vet melee? Preferably something that doesn't need a specific roll or it's garbage. I'm plasma gunning religiously

[midnight totem]

Shovel

[terse idol]

uh

Dclaw

[tame lodge]

The second option is that they are buffed by the gas

[astral valve]

It doesn't seem too hard to roll a decent whatever without too much trouble

[tall torrent]

The answer is rashad mk2 combat axe but I don’t suggest sinking urself into that unless you have a ton of resources to spend

Probably chainsword mk4?

[midnight totem]

Combat axes need bm though

[tall torrent]

Fairly easy to roll

[junior needle]

Chainswords are surprisingly very good for chaffe clearing, but bad on carapace. You're running a pgun so you'll be fine

[astral valve]

I feel like some people are way too picky about it but then they're also probably playing at a higher level/have played much longer where they're trying to get the best of the best

[tame lodge]

Was about to recommend a chain weapon as well

[terse idol]

well to be fair it needs BM + Unarmoured

And damage values

[junior needle]

4 is for heavy spam, 13g is for light spam

[strange root]

Do you always activate the chain sword for horde clear? Or just slap?

[terse idol]

Eh

There are few exceptions

Like rashad

[midnight totem]

Chainsword, or any of the shovels, are very good, reliable melee weapons

[terse idol]

You can survive most weapon rolls otherwise

[junior needle]

You never activate it for clear because it sticks

The activation is for single target

[astral valve]

Yeah, activate it for big beefies

[strange root]

Gotcha

[astral valve]

Otherwise mow the grass

[midnight totem]

Activation is for neurons

[junior needle]

13g wants wrath and either rampage or shred

[tame lodge]

Fuck this one fool in particular

[junior needle]

4 with heavy spam can go rampage/shred

[strange root]

I'll look at what's not too painful to get for axes and chainswords, what are the good patterns?

[severe gale]

the only one you rev for hordes is the eviscerator, which is zealot only

[strange root]

Rashad 2 axe or chainsword 4 you said?

Prettttty sure I saved a brutal momentum axe somewhere just in case

[tall torrent]

What difficulty are u mainly playing rn

[midnight totem]

You know

In any chat, I have never, ever read about tactical axes

[astral valve]

Wait damn it I didn't mean to grab the Orestes

Chain axes are pretty fun though >_>

[tall torrent]

These charts will all be changed in the next guide update

Fixing a lot of mistakes

Trying to give a more accurate picture of weapon performance

I just have yet to get on with that because penance grinding is too fun

[astral valve]

I thought I would suck too much for the Rashad but it turned out pretty great

[tame lodge]

The XII has a mean bite

Rev heavy to the head of the beefy boys and they should crumble

[strange root]

I generally play 5's, not aurics

Especially since I'm coming back after a while and I'm extremely rusty lol

[sharp epoch]

just jump into auric malestroms itll be fine

[astral valve]

I assume due to group makeup in quickplay, Damnation can be pretty gnarly so that's usually as far as I go. Even on Heresy we still fall apart sometimes

Then 30 minutes later Damnation feels like Heresy because the group is on point

[terse idol]

Frankly heresey is harder than damnation

[tame lodge]

But heresy is no fun for damnation players, that's why Auric

Even worse when low int

[midnight totem]

I've been playing aurics since the penance update

Anything below damnation is easy

[rigid pilot]

i'll stay away from mael at this time, its filled with people trying to get the title

[midnight totem]

Maelstrom, I recommend going in with a team with mics

The coordination and teamwork is all the tighter

[tame lodge]

Same

[junior needle]

Anything below histg is easy*

[midnight totem]

Just simple reminders even, going too far, dropping down, or laughing "Jesus that crusher almost got me", helps break tension and keeps focus even in a shitshow

[junior needle]

Even hi intensity is a snoozer

[balmy flume]

…I got it somehow.
I got Flawless Execution 🥳

[regal aurora]

how many did you send to robotits?

[balmy flume]

(As in the portrait frame level)

Not sure 😅

[regal aurora]

is flawless execution not a blessing? i must be thinking of something else.

[wanton dawn]

FFS

Imagine being 50% melee damage done on a mf build

[balmy flume]

(And now to farm those Aurics and Auric Malestorms lol)

[regal aurora]

I know what i'm thinking of, but cant remember the name.

[balmy flume]

I get what you mean

There is a blessing that does have some similar name or sound

But ye was talking about the penance.

[river wraith]

really happy with this autopistol

[sharp epoch]

would be good back when counterfire vet was a thing

[faint beacon]

I realize I have to do the Maelstrom penances in which no one goes down

[arctic rampart]

Remember when shredders were strong? I remember

[faint beacon]

That’s going to suck

Shredders were okay iirc for the longest time

[idle swallow]

Just embrace being an ammo vacuum and shredders will become great again

[junior needle]

autopistol is doing pretty poorly atm

[junior needle]

Top 2 best gun in the game for a good while pre talent patch

[river wraith]

Honestly I kinda like it tbh

Definitely not for auric but I have been having fun with it on regular damnation

[junior needle]

You can like it despite its flaws

[arctic rampart]

No, that's not allowed.

Perfection or death!

[junior needle]

Primary issue is it does absolutely abysmal flak damage and other guns just do what it does but way better

ciag for example

So there's no real reason to take it

[faint beacon]

Honestly Shredder just pairs well if you’re wanting something as a Horde Clear back up as long as it’s not flak specials/elites

That and it flies through ammo so quickly

[junior needle]

Horde Clear back up
ranged weapon

Even the flamer is sus

Go and engage in glorious melee combat as intended by the Emperor

[tame lodge]

YEAH

[river wraith]

thats kinda what i use it for its fun but my shovel carries its crazy how its good against armor and hordes truly as the emperor intended

[junior needle]

Please do not use your ranged weapons to clear melee chaffe

[tame lodge]

Even if it looks tempting

Like with the Graia Mk IV

[river wraith]

ammo conservation never heard of her

[tame lodge]

You brace and

ahem

Nevermind

[river wraith]

jkjk the shovel is for hordes

[gilded wraith]

And yet, Ogryn get to use melee chaffe as ranged weapons...

[river wraith]

but with the blessings if i concentrate fire on like a group of ragers i have gotten decent resultrs

[tame lodge]

Or you stack WS and unleash the A10 warthog

[faint beacon]

I literally never use my guns for melee enemies minus Ragers

Fuck you in particular Ragers

[junior needle]

You'll get better performance if you replace cavalcade with pinning

[faint beacon]

Pinning and Powder are also a good combo as well

[river wraith]

hmmmm alr ill see