veteran-class

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ranger-fallout-gaming-gif-16823128

[faint beacon]

Its not exact but I see the reference

[somber axle]

I could maybe find a closer helmet

[candid agate]

just need red glowing goggles

[somber axle]

hard to match this though

[faint beacon]

im a steel legion fanboy

Im just waiting for the actual set to drop in the shop

But the shocktrooper variant I will gladly use

[somber axle]

there's this but idk

[faint beacon]

I was about to say that

but it clashes

the green

[somber axle]

clashes too much yeah

[faint beacon]

Istfg there was a mod

that allowed you to change the colors of it for yourself

[somber axle]

I alternate between Catachan, Elysian and Moebian Recon tbh

usually Moebian Recon because I loved the Darktide teaser too much

[hearty panther]

arrrr, praise the Big E me mateys

[faint beacon]

Look im planning to do Moebian 6th and Steel Legion

cause look'

the Loyalist armor and dare I say it

Traitors

look also good as well

[somber axle]

yeah they do

[faint beacon]

Hammer gameplay, Goes invisble with thrust

wind up heavy

delete bosses HP

we love Hammer Zealot

[orchid hemlock]

I want to cosplay a comisar

[somber axle]

the new laspistol skin is so pretty

😌

[faint beacon]

Absolutely possible

[somber axle]

live your dreams

[faint beacon]

I didn't grab the two commissar outfits in shop when they were out mainly cause im praying they make one in the style of a Legionnaire or DKOK

but there's a shit ton of officers caps and capes you can use

just have to be patient with the shop rotation

[somber axle]

yeah

one sec I can show off a few

[orchid hemlock]

Ah yez

[cunning sandal]

I don't quite have Gets Hot yet, but

[orchid hemlock]

I need money

[cunning sandal]

this'll do

[orchid hemlock]

[faint beacon]

Only really got this one cause it wouldn't clash with the Steel legion outfit WHEN IT COMES BACK IN SHOP

I very much enjoy my outfit making

[faint beacon]

1000 Degree plasma gun

[faint beacon]

Still its a pretty solid gun minus Gets hot

[somber axle]

this coat looks good with it too imo

[orchid hemlock]

Yes but u see

I have no money

[faint beacon]

Using this with my Diet Zealot, aka PS only Build

[somber axle]

there's the For the Drip mod

it'll only be client side but you'll still see your character dressed as a commissar

and afaik it has more customization to let you mix and match pieces in ways the base game cannot

[faint beacon]

Thats basically a Chem-Dog commissar

[cunning sandal]

I'm sad I missed the Cadia set

[faint beacon]

Dude I remember sweating bullets

Realizing I would get payed the moment it would rotate out of shop

managed to get it before it did

[orchid hemlock]

Is it in nexus?

[faint beacon]

using this for my Stealth Vet

[midnight mortar]

Yes.

[somber axle]

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Correct

[frank monolith]

it would have been better to not get rez in this situation xD

[faint beacon]

Regards to knives, I actually had no fucking clue Haymaker was so fucking amazing on MkVI

[orchid hemlock]

I see an addon is that the one?

[somber axle]

yeah and the best part about that situation is the entirely silent poxbursters until they were within falling distance of the party LOL

[faint beacon]

Its unfortunate but they committed to it and I ate shit for it lmao

[somber axle]

It's a process to get mods working for Darktide but I can share you the thing others showed me

[faint beacon]

Manual or the lazy mans way (vortex)

[orchid hemlock]

I use other mods I know how to install it

[faint beacon]

but manual is usually the best to learn

[somber axle]

https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/index#/installing-mods

here you go

step by step with gifs to show you how to do it too

[orchid hemlock]

I'm jut wondering what is the download specifically for the mod

Gracias senor

[somber axle]

You need Darktide Mod Loader and Darktide Mod Framework I think

the guide should help you get both

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I know

I know how to install mods

[somber axle]

I do not so I shared just in case

LOL

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/291

This is it?

This looks like an addon

[somber axle]

I'm unsure tbh

I haven't used it, I'm only aware it exists

I will have a look at Nexus real quick to check

though someone in #darktide-driptide may be able to help faster and better

[faint beacon]

Yeah that should be it

[somber axle]

I see people do custom outfits there often

[faint beacon]

I uh, haven't downloaded it myself

but im contemplating on it

[orchid hemlock]

But it's not the mod itself it's an extension to it

[faint beacon]

I have the weapon customization ones however

[frank cove]

Hey, what’s the recommended perks/blessings on that combat blade III?

[somber axle]

AH

[faint beacon]

Oh for that you'll need to be in the DT Modded Discord

[somber axle]

ok here it is

yeah you need to go to the DT Modding Discord to get the actual mod

[faint beacon]

I am in there for the sole purpose cause the weapon mods used to be in there

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny + riposte, executor, or precog. Mercy killer if you grab the +1 bleed stack on melee hit

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah it's hidden

I assume it's because it isn't greenlit by Fatshark

[somber axle]

here you go though Ferrets' comment is right too

[somber axle]

you may need to get an invite to it

I'm not in it personally so good luck!

[frank cove]

Thank you both!

[orchid hemlock]

No I'm in the discord, but the channel where the mod is located is hidden

[somber axle]

that's weird

might need to ask someone there about it then

[faint beacon]

Okay so go to required mods

and click on it

cause it immediately sent me to it

where it was in the discord

Mk6 Blade with Haymaker tickles my brain

I wont lie

[floral hearth]

Are these your own findings or could I look these up somewhere?

[faint beacon]

Its in pinned, its basically the current up to date guide on vet

huge ass Document covering everything

[floral hearth]

Awesome, thanks

[halcyon jackal]

try as I might I can never seem to finish the long bomber penance

[last parcel]

it’s a thread in the creation showcase channel

[floral hearth]

damn, this is amazing

[zenith stag]

Anyone here have advice on completing Make Every Shot Count? I've been running Plasma for it and my last two games I had 1 miss between the two of them and I'm not getting the penance. I'm making sure I'm at zero ammo when the mission ends. This penance's design could really do with a rework.

[somber axle]

they're from the guide in pins from this channel

developed by numbers cat

you will know numbers cat if you see them

very good guide

[floral hearth]

i noticed!

[somber axle]

afaik they're working on an updated version of the guide but it's not yet released

you can kinda just ctrl+F any weapon and find it ezpz

plus he shares good weapon combos for melee

very good info

[floral hearth]

gone are the days of googling this

[somber axle]

I have some tips one

sec

gonna copy from an older post I made

If you want to do it very easily queue for an assassination mission then grab something like shredder autopistol and use melee exclusively through most of the mission. Pick up no ammo. Do not run Ammo Regen aura. Use speed aura or elite 5% damage aura. Mag dump into the first Plogryn, Chaos Spawn or Burgle you see. If you still have ammo at the end magdump into the final boss.

You can also just do quickplay with revolver, shotgun, plasma, etc. and play a mission like normal without Ammo Regen aura and no ammo pick ups if you are careful with your shots

Also grab shredder grenades or krak and pick up 1 min nade regen and the % chance to get back grenades on special/elite kill in the talent tree. Get grenade tinkerer too to buff your nades more. It'll make melee feel better if you're not wanting to play entirely like a weaker Zealot

Last tip I have is if you have lots of dockets laying around play slot machine with brunt's and aim for a low ammo stat on a low ammo count weapon like revolver or shotgun to make it so you have less shots to worry about

Ignore bottom left side of the talent tree for the most part and invest more into bottom right to make melee feel better on Vet. You definitely want things like Desperado and Reciprocity. Weapon Specialist is good too. Don't get the +30% ammo node on the bottom left. I know that seems obvious but I played a bunch of matches before remembering the +30% ammo node even exists

Also this is gonna be a weird take but do Make Every Shot Count on Damnation because players are more competent there and you'll run into crazy good players more often who could solo carry a mission if they had to. It'll feel less punishing to both you and to your team when you're purposely running melee Vet and not touching your ranged weapon when you have a solid team vs Heresy people who tend to either be newer players or still learning the game. More people will be max level with full builds and maxed out weapons on Damnation

Only node on the bottom left talent tree I would say is 100% required (depending on weapon) is suppression immunity. If your gun shakes right before you shoot and throws it into the abyss because a shooter you didn't see across the map fired at you, you will be mad

Some weapons have built in suppression immunity though so your mileage will vary

[true trellis]

Just grab a zarona, run ahead and shoot 50 of the idling randos

[somber axle]

yeah you can do that too

Revolvers, Shotgun, etc. are all very good for doing it

[last parcel]

oh and dont die

[somber axle]

I did Make Every Shot Count using a Lawbringer

[last parcel]

i watched a guy blow himself up three times trying to get it

[somber axle]

Lawbringer shotgun is pretty good

[zenith stag]

Thanks for the quality advice, folks

This penance has been a bane for a long time

[somber axle]

it took me a fair few tries too

be patient and it will come

😄

[last parcel]

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️

[zenith stag]

I expected the dev team to change this and all the private game only penances with the last update, but I suppose I was expecting too much.

[true trellis]

They already changed it

Used to be make every shot count

As in all of them

Not some piddly 90% wuss stuff

[zenith stag]

90% is hardly a great change in my opinion

[true trellis]

There's a qualitative difference between 60/60 and 55/60

[last parcel]

90% is a massive difference from 100%

[true trellis]

If you're keeping track of your shots and go slightly under, you can always pick up another small ammo pack and do better

[somber axle]

true but most people from launch days just cheesed it anyway so it doesn't matter LOL

I remember people recommending cheese strats in Vet chat constantly until they patched it out

[true trellis]

I did it properly because it really wasn't that hard

The take 0 damage one was worse

[somber axle]

bro what

launch days had camo stance

literally stand still during fights and be ignored

Make Every Shot Count was harder for 99% of people trying it legitimately

[true trellis]

Guess i could have used that yeah

[somber axle]

modern day taking 0 damage is slightly harder but still doable with Infiltrate + -90% threat

[true trellis]

Boring way to live though

[last parcel]

i just spammed voc

[somber axle]

I got the 0 damage one by pure accident

[crude fiber]

Think I did it with a shotty, took a couple attempts wasn't too bad. Got both the no melee damage and no health damage penance done in the same mission

[somber axle]

you'll find that most people live very boring lives

if you wanna live on the edge

I have a clown Recon build to show

do you dare test yourself in a clown suit?

[last parcel]

you could make a religion out of this

[somber axle]

it's a 1 person religion and that religion is me

I am the sole worshipper of the Recon

[last parcel]

light the candles with a recon

[terse idol]

I thought it just reduced agro

[true trellis]

Recon ok but as gunker

[terse idol]

I swear it wasn't only

"Stand still"

[somber axle]

in launch days Camo Stance would reduce aggro to such a degree that as long as you were not the only person alive you could literally stand still by yourself on the opposite side of the map to your team and watch hordes, specials and elites run past you on their way to everyone else

[true trellis]

Reduced aggro so much enemies would literally go around you to attack your teammates

[midnight mortar]

Back at launch it was a massive threat reduction if you stood still. Functionally speaking it resulted in being ignored because it was something like a 90% reduction in a larger radius.

[somber axle]

camo stance was removed

we now have Infiltrate stealth and it's a really good thing that they got rid of the old and put in the new LOL

[terse idol]

Well I'm saying I thought it wasn't just stand still I thought it was just reduced agro

[true trellis]

i remember being in matches with three camo stance vets

[terse idol]

I guess I forgor

[midnight mortar]

You had to stand still for it to take effect.

[crude fiber]

I remember if you were moving and a pox buster leaped at you, you could stand still and it would pivot mid air to the to land near someone else

[true trellis]

'why is everything suddenly targeting me?'

[terse idol]

Camouflage stance now just works different

Because it's the infil sub

[somber axle]

LMFAO yeah it made for some very funny moments

but it was absolutely broken

[terse idol]

Also not called camouflage anymore

[somber axle]

Vet was the most OP class on release

[terse idol]

Kiiinda

Since all melee

Bled through toughness

[somber axle]

Kantrael XII permanent Executioner's Stance with like 90% toughness damage reduction

[true trellis]

Power sword nerf 😢

[terse idol]

So you'd have vets with 200 toughnes

And 1 hp

And get sneezed on

[somber axle]

you could literally stand out in front of all the reapers, gunners, shooters in the world all lighting you up and as long as you occasionally shot things you'd never die

[terse idol]

Yeah

[somber axle]

launch Vet was ridiculous

[terse idol]

But pox walkers would clap vets

Lmao

[somber axle]

tbh they still do

[crude fiber]

What do mean 200 base toughness and 75% toughness dam resistance and double ranged damage and 50%toughness
regen per elite/special kill is overpowered?

[terse idol]

Not as bad as before

[somber axle]

average Vet is allergic to melee and backpedals while magdumping into poxwalkers

[terse idol]

Less melee bleed through has largely kept vets safe

[terse idol]

Just uh

Melee

[somber axle]

funniest is watching a Plasma Vet magdumping into 4 poxwalkers that were behind him then sprinting off in search of ammo

[terse idol]

We have some strong melee options

[somber axle]

you'd think so but wow some Vets are allergic to swapping to melee

I love melee in this game

[terse idol]

And that's one way you're gonna get that toughness bafk

Oh for sure

It's why so vets got pissed by the survivalist nerf

[somber axle]

Vets who were overly reliant on ranged and not well versed in melee immediately felt the sting

no more magdumping into poxwalkers

most good Vets barely noticed a change

some weapons have very different ammo econ now but they're still good

Plasma is still a monster in the right hands

[serene bough]

I like mag dumping hordes of groaners fight me

[terse idol]

I just got energized for my psword and

Very easy now

[somber axle]

I do too that's why I run Recon

[serene bough]

More pew pew more fun

[somber axle]

it's good as Vet and let me explain

[true trellis]

i figured that's what you'd run

[somber axle]

watch the ammo counter as I melt the Crusher and notice it only used 13 ammo total

[true trellis]

dollar store flamer

[somber axle]

depending on crit string variance you can use as little as 10

flamer can't snipe across the map

far right Vet is Plasma, other Vet is CIAG

I was more ammo efficient than both

they were good players and we covered each other well

Recon with my build is just very ammo efficient

I was able to outdo everyone on kills/damage in all metrics save for the CIAG doing 9k more ranged damage and the Plasma having 2 more elite kills

this was a 29 minute Damnation run

not Auric to clarify

Recon holds up better than people give her credit for

I am a clown and I will share this every single time

[bitter turtle]

im not against shilling whategver pet build you have

but the scoreboard does not really mean anything

again

[true trellis]

I guess the ammo efficiency does let you maintain constant output

[bitter turtle]

i will post this

[true trellis]

Roughly like a staff psyker

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/0b6ccc824cbd7a8e4116333c9133cd0f.png

[true trellis]

Except you have laser incontinence

[bitter turtle]

its not like this scoareboard proves that guns are no tnecessary and taxe only is good

[somber axle]

it means I can finally prove to everyone who said "where Scoreboard" that it does legitimately work in Damnation and has consistently good damage on targets while killing Crushers in seconds and better ammo econ than most weapons in the right hands

this is not a 45+ minute match fluffing numbers

this was a normal match only 29 minutes long

Recon performed

I share it to prove it is possible albeit very silly

because again to do this I have to do a lot of dumb things most Vets should not or would not do

triple stam curios Deadshot is a meme for most Vets and the average Vet will want toughness/HP curios

newer players may sprinkle in 1 wound curio while learning too

purposely shoving yourself past the entire squad into the frontline to dodge incoming fire just for stam regen on Duck and Dive is a silly amount of effort

it's goofy, it's absolute clown behavior

but it works

[bitter turtle]

all scoreboard proves is pugs are bad

genuinely

[somber axle]

nah

[bitter turtle]

i dont mean this as a knock or boon to recon

[somber axle]

we all did fine

these were good players and we worked well together

people just have a weird standard they attribute to their own skill level

[bitter turtle]

someone picked up twice as much ammo and did half the amount of damage

[somber axle]

anyone who is worse than them is below their standard

[bitter turtle]

as you

[somber axle]

the average person is fine

[bitter turtle]

like im sure they did fine at staying alive

but

[somber axle]

yeah that's plasma and plasma users will be adjusting to the post-update changes to Surv Aura

Plasma users are used to spamming shots into targets and letting the gun regen itself

[terse idol]

(Well frankly your team is showing above the average) 😭

[somber axle]

Surv Aura change means they need ammo tins/packs/crates

[terse idol]

Eh a little bit

[true trellis]

I regularly have people pick up infinitely more ammo than i did and doing much less damage

[late hatch]

the average gamer is not "fine" only the top 5% are

[true trellis]

Doesn't mean they're bad

[somber axle]

like yeah Auric Damnation players are in general crazy good but don't let their skill level distort the skill level of the average player running Heresy/Damnation

[true trellis]

If you run a high ammo conservation build the others will naturally use more ammo

[terse idol]

Building the breakpoint for a plasmagun and you're already 50% more ammo efficient

[bitter turtle]

i can accept it if they do something with it

[terse idol]

I've future proofed mah buiild

[true trellis]

The one vet in a 3 psyker 1 vet match will be shooting groaners, walkers walls and ghosts

[terse idol]

I literally watched a gungryn take 2 big ammo bags on yellow ammo away from a 0 ammo zealot, and myself in red ammo with a few revolver shots

Some folks are just selfish,

[true trellis]

Real ogryn hours

[last parcel]

malfunctioning bone ead implant

[velvet dawn]

Ogryn needed it

[true trellis]

Even better when he's just one shot below half ammo

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/facbe3ebb6a29b2e3c866dd7605b4713.png

take 9 times the ammo

do 1/3rd the damage

jk

[velvet dawn]

You dont understand his goal

[bitter turtle]

im just saying

[terse idol]

He shot into groups of 5 pox walkers

It hurts

[bitter turtle]

scoreboard results dont prove very much unless you're just gonna go premade with a bunch of other good players

and play repeated matches

[terse idol]

I'm here needing to horde my 7 revolver bullets like my life depends on it

[bitter turtle]

to show you can keep up

and someone has done that

for mk7 recon

which i now believe is probably ok

[somber axle]

someone posted a screenshot of 13 tins taken by one person in a match and it's still the most I've ever seen someone take LOL

[terse idol]

Itsss

Okay

[serene bough]

are we posting scoreboards to flex

[terse idol]

And again, it wraps around to the discussion of

[serene bough]

bigger numbers gooder

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1231035335295631470/image.png?ex=66357dff&is=662308ff&hm=330200f325f88c6f94481944458043f63f9b9187e541734f2b6710c617359efe&

yeah here it is

[bitter turtle]

not flexing as much as saying scoreboard doesn't prove something is a strong gun

[somber axle]

I had to save this because it's such a funny meme

[terse idol]

You're building the blah
The recon to get on-par with okay weapons

[serene bough]

bigger gooder

[bitter turtle]

i mean again

[terse idol]

You build other weapons to perform well

[bitter turtle]

TAXE ONLY

NO GUN

[somber axle]

Recon isn't a strong gun, but a true clown can make it a very silly gun

[bitter turtle]

do 200k more dmg than the next person

taxe good!?!?!?!?

probably not

[somber axle]

CIAG is a strong gun so much so literally anyone could pick it up and immediately notice they're doing better in games

Psykers, Zealots, Veterans

anyone

you could do talentless grey and still carry

[late hatch]

y'all got any more of that AMMO?

[terse idol]

If I want to be a big asshole, I could just play to not help my team and pad damage lmao

[bitter turtle]

i dont think anyone denies that you can play the game with any gun and do well if you're good enough

[somber axle]

a good player makes any weapon good imo

[bitter turtle]

but that's a different story

[true trellis]

saw a zealot solo the run barehanded after putting his eviscerator up his own rectum, maybe we need to investigate this tactic?

[bitter turtle]

yes but that doesn't speak about the gun's strengths

[terse idol]

The scoreboard isn't showing me like doing things to help the team or other junk

Or ways that other players are helping yooou

[bitter turtle]

just that >you are good (at inflating your scorebaord numbers) /s

[serene bough]

The heck

[serene bough]

My scoreboard only half loaded

[last parcel]

you got the “mutant after running into a chainsword” treatment

[junior needle]

It more works because you are putting in more effort than others to make it work

[junior needle]

Rather than it being a good idea on its own merit

[serene bough]

Must post bigger number

[somber axle]

yes but it is possible to do, just not feasible or worth doing for most other people considering the amount of effort/talent investment compared to other guns I do

[serene bough]

Big number feel good Unga bunga

[somber axle]

and really I'm just here to show what's possible

[late hatch]

big does feel good

[somber axle]

realistic for most people to do? probably not but I main this gun so I know it well

[junior needle]

I mean, we knew the whole time that if you run enough juice you can turn the numbers in your favor

[somber axle]

nah

[balmy flume]

One last deathless Malice mission. Then penance done…

[somber axle]

this build cannot do that with the Mk VIIa

no amount of my funny clown juice produces the same effect with that Recon

Shredder Autopistol doesn't do it either

it's not really that I can do this build with any gun and have the same effect

[bitter turtle]

you'd have to swap the talents around obviously

[junior needle]

I should note

[bitter turtle]

why would you use onslaught on mk7

[somber axle]

other guns can perform comparatively or better obviously

[junior needle]

A lot of your performance was melee

And your ranged damage stats wasn't really impressive

[somber axle]

Yeah that match I ended up fighting hordes a LOT

[radiant chasm]

Just get mk4 inflas

[somber axle]

but I tend to be a Vet that's not allergic to going melee

[radiant chasm]

And full auto mod off workshop

[serene bough]

the best

[radiant chasm]

Better recon i swear on god

[somber axle]

I save the gun for threats that need to be put down ASAP

[junior needle]

As you should

[somber axle]

the stats are really just there to show that it can outperform CIAG or Plasma in damage, kills, etc. while being more ammo efficient and still letting me get away with how often I was in melee

[radiant chasm]

Recon is 4 week delivery at that point

[junior needle]

But I'm pointing out, that scoreboard doesn't really prove anything about the recon in particular

[somber axle]

imagine how much time I spent in melee to do all that melee damage

and then still had time to do all that ranged damage/killing

[radiant chasm]

Also bad players can be bad players with the meta weapons

[frank cove]

Hey, following up on this from earlier. I have a Combat Blade III with Uncanny IV. It also has Carapace IV, Elites III, and Flesh Tearer III. Which of those should I leave? And which of Unyielding/Maniac is better if I’m only changing one perk?

[radiant chasm]

But bad players with bad weapons will be even worse

[junior needle]

I've outperformed 2 plasma vets with my revolver zealot, that doesn't make revolver 2x stronger than plasma

You gotta keep in mind

Scoreboards are highly contamined and need to be taken with a grain of salt

[somber axle]

I use it for all specials/elites tbh unless it's a Mutie. Then I go Chainsword and just rev up smack it as they go by and watch them get cut in half 10 feet away from me as the charge stops LOL

[radiant chasm]

Having good enough skill to use subpar weapons better than a bad player uses meta doesn’t change the fact your weapon is bad

[somber axle]

Oh and

Chainsword on bosses too

Recon has awful boss damage

never use Recon on bosses unless they're a sliver of health away from death and you want to finish them from range

[radiant chasm]

I used pre buffed chainaxe and got 800k damage in a match

[last parcel]

? i though you use infernus

[somber axle]

no not at all and I was never arguing Recon was better than either of those weapons

[radiant chasm]

Does not mean pre buff chaxe was some secret meta or good, i was just a chaxe addict

[somber axle]

but I will say Recon has very, very good ammo efficiency

[radiant chasm]

Infernus isn’t good boss damage

[floral hearth]

unless used against maniacs

[somber axle]

objectively better than Plasma post Surv nerf and I'll outdo Vets in quickplay most times on ammo econ with it

[somber axle]

nah it wipes the floor with every maniac I shoot minus the Mutie who takes a bit longer to burn down or I chainsword them instead

just aim heads

[radiant chasm]

Recon vet when you give them a dreg rager pack

[somber axle]

headhunter/infernus

and they fall over

[last parcel]

yeah but it's not awful is what i mean

[somber axle]

I love wiping dreg rager/flak rager packs with my Recon

[somber axle]

Infernus IV with my Recon still doesn't give it good boss damage imo

it's ok but other guns will do good/amazing boss damage

depending on the context of a fight I might dump some Recon rounds into a boss just to put extra damage into it

[last parcel]

ah ok, i just overthought it when you said awful

[somber axle]

I remember watching a TF2 vid explaining chip damage is important because all damage is important

even the tiniest bit of damage contributes toward a victory

little wins add up to big wins

if you can do better damage absolutely do that but if you have the chance to output a little damage vs not putting out any damage

always do the little damage

anything above 0 is better than 0

[last parcel]

well that's also because being recently damage affects how quickly medic can heal you

[somber axle]

yeah

plus different game but I took the meaning to heart

if I get the chance to help put some damage on, I always do

[true trellis]

chip damage on scouts means no health kit for heavies

[radiant chasm]

Tbh this applies to creeping wildfire psyker more than infernus/bleed

[edgy swift]

I wish there was something like the hot-shot the scab gunner uses for veteran but it'd be shit to balance

[somber axle]

I agree Psyker wildfire is very funny

infernus/bleed is not quite as funny

still funny though and worth putting into a target depending on context

Chainsword XIIIg is awful at Crusher TTK and if you run +Carapace and Bloodletter you can kill them in 2 rev'd attacks

otherwise it'll take WAY more hits

that doesn't make it good at killing Crushers

just that Bloodletter/Carapace lets it do so at a mediocre level

instead of literally not being worth using against a Crusher unless you have no other option

[serene bough]

I just stab crushers

[somber axle]

yeah Knife is very good at Crusher TTK

[serene bough]

I dont likeshooting them

[somber axle]

HI SORRY got too caught up in my clownery with recon ranting and was responding to a lot of people at once but I noticed this

[thick needle]

Emperor granted me a Plasma gun

[last parcel]

aa aaaaaa AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[serene bough]

Stop screaming

[somber axle]

You should definitely keep Uncanny IV. Swap out Flesh Tearer III imo. Carapace IV can be good if you want to hit the funny 3 stab kill on Crushers. Let me share the guide page

[faint beacon]

Actually would Headhunter + Infernus techincally work with that build if you're like lets say

[somber axle]

@frank cove

[faint beacon]

mass DPS Stacking on a boss or tanky enemies

[balmy flume]

…welp

[somber axle]

here you go

[faint beacon]

seeing I assume you run onslaught with Recon

[orchid hemlock]

What are the best curio stats for vet?

[somber axle]

if you want you could swap Elite to Maniac or Unyielding

personally I'd recommend swapping Elite to Maniac

[faint beacon]

All over the place it seriously matters on your build

[balmy flume]

Fucking…

[last parcel]

another burster?

[orchid hemlock]

the vet guide doesn't really mention curios so Im wondering

[balmy flume]

I should have known better to have tried to do my last deathless on Hunting Grounds, which should have been fine.
But.
Someone had a BRIGHT idea.
To start the Archivum Sychorax elevator hack
in the middle of the hound spawns

[frank cove]

Ok, cool. Thanks!

[balmy flume]

Like…tries to stay calm.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[serene bough]

Generally upto you

I do 1 THP 2 Stam

[last parcel]

It'll get mentioned next time he updates it

[serene bough]

If im doing heavy stamina dependent builds I'll swap to 3 Stam, or vice versa if I don't need much Stam I'll swap 1 Stam 2 THP

[faint beacon]

Someone is afk on maelstrom when im trying to do my deathless

pain

[late hatch]

Heaps of people just see objective, run to objective and hit button. No thought about positioning and such.

[thick needle]

Usually I just run 2 Toughness and one Max Health, all with more Toughness, Max Health and Gunner Resist
If I'm using Deadshot for a crit build, 1 Toughness, 1 Max Health and 1 Stamina with a Stamina Regen thrown in

[balmy flume]

…wait hang on.
Ok, this is really strange.
For some reason, if you get gnawed to death by a hound and only a hound and nothing in between…
…it doesn’t register as you having been downed?

Curse escape clause lol?

[serene bough]

If you're the last to die it doesn't register

I.e. still on the floor as the game ends

[balmy flume]

I was the first, but I left the mission.

[serene bough]

Or did you just die to the dog

[somber axle]

Generally you want something like
2 Toughness/1 HP
1 Toughness/1 HP/1 Stam
2 Toughness/1 Stam
etc.

you could do 3 Toughness curios but honestly that feels overkill especially considering most people are dipping into Voice of Command and I'm vaguely aware of diminishing returns on Toughness

Sniper Damage reduction on 2 of your curios is good to avoid the HP spillover effect
Combat Ability Regen is very good
Ignore Toughness Regen it does NOT do what everyone thinks it does, it only increases Coherency Toughness regen speed/reduces the delay between Coherency Toughness Regen starting
Sprint/Block Efficiency are good depending on who you ask
Stam Regen is something I personally recommend and adore regardless of build

[serene bough]

Then, I guess dog death doesn't count

[balmy flume]

First to die just to the dog as the entire team is pinned down lol

[somber axle]

you just sorta build your curios based on what you're comfortable with and what fits your build best

[austere pine]

can you suppress non-ranged enemies?

[balmy flume]

Ok not-quite-actually Flawless Execution last malice mission.
Here we go again 🤣

[thick needle]

This is what I run for Deadshot Crit

[serene bough]

Ye

[austere pine]

oh, lol

[somber axle]

if you are new and getting used to Damnation or getting used to Aurics

[austere pine]

this is doable in 2 missions, then

[somber axle]

1 Wound curio isn't AWFUL

[balmy flume]

And good old Enclavum Baross it is.

[serene bough]

Its the most apparent on groaners

[somber axle]

once you're comfy ditch the wound curio though

[serene bough]

If you just play with infiltrate you'll get that in no time

Most tedious I think is krak kills

[austere pine]

oh yeah they hunker down

this seems like cncr

[serene bough]

I got that relatively quick

[somber axle]

Krak kills would be less tedious if Zealots/Psykers would stop insta-killing Crushers/Bulwarks LMFAO

[serene bough]

Just shoot into hordes

[somber axle]

they see the krak fly and turn it into a race of if they can kill it before the grenade goes off

[austere pine]

toss kraks into groups of crushers on damn

[somber axle]

I do and I love doing that too

[serene bough]

Smoke penance was just groan inducing

Grabbed field improv and chucked smokes everywhere

[true trellis]

Easy fix

[cosmic sun]

To be fair if anything needs you to run smokes then it's definitely groans all around

[serene bough]

True

[true trellis]

Hit enter, 'guys please stop shooting the kraks im doing a penance', hit enter again

[somber axle]

nah I'm not going to ask people that

[austere pine]

like this ever works

[true trellis]

You should try being as attractive and charismatic as me ;)

[somber axle]

if they're worrying about whether or not I've got a crusher/bulwark taken care of and get downed because they held off on my account I'd feel guilty

I'd rather people just play normally and earn it at my own pace

[somber axle]

I'm only one of those

😦

[serene bough]

If someone steals your krak kill be sure to scream profanity into your mic

[last parcel]

bro's natively got +50% coherency radius

[serene bough]

That'll get them to learn

There are zero consequences to this

[true trellis]

A long list of places the krak will go instead of the crushers head if they keep doing that...

[hoary horizon]

Did one of you take in-sense?

[serene bough]

What is this in sense ulgo

[true trellis]

Interesting message, do elaborate

[last parcel]

creeper 3 12 engaged

[velvet dawn]

No ulgo none of us have in-sense

[tall torrent]

Crab walk 2500 kill is by far the least fun penance added

[hoary horizon]

No not sense it is thing to make gun better

[tame lodge]

Battle incense

[hoary horizon]

Metal ones use it

[tall torrent]

It’s actually suffering

[last parcel]

magdump the poxwalkers with recon

make your team suffer too

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-conscience-gif-7254763

[serene bough]

If you want to be useful while magdumping hordes I recommend mg4 ilas

Lots of ammo and high rof

[last parcel]

it's not the same

[serene bough]

You just gotta believe harder

I know you can do it

[last parcel]

believe in the me who cums in a sock 🙏

[serene bough]

I won't go that far but I'll believe you can turn your brain off and shoot pretty lasers at zombies

[velvet dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

Not the sock

[serene bough]

I have none do you have

[last parcel]

at least it isn't the melon

[hoary horizon]

No. Am looking for Aster in-sense

[velvet dawn]

Id rather the melon

i dont eat them

[serene bough]

If anyone has magic smokes that give super powers I'm sure it's the zealots

[fiery plinth]

rate this knife for a rush stealth build.

[serene bough]

Needs uncanny

Either grab serrated blade talent & keep mercy killer, or remove mercy killer for uncanny

[hoary horizon]

[fiery plinth]

I'll need to keep farming for that.

[junior needle]

I mean, this kinda does come across like that. If someone just plays poorly (or you just play very well, or both) then obviously there can be a massive disparity even with a worse performing weapon.

[serene bough]

Depending on what you want you may want to keep 2+ Stam and replace both blessings

Riposte is always solid

[cedar abyss]

If I have infernys 2 on a weapon i can refine it to infernys 4 at a later date?

Even after making 2 modifications?

[serene bough]

But I like flesh tearer as long as you bring reciprocity

[fiery plinth]

I'm particularly usign this for a rushing in and stealth build

[last parcel]

not unless infernus 2 was one of the 2 modifications

[junior needle]

You can only modify a slot you've previously modified

[serene bough]

Generally I'd recommend cara + flak, uncanny + riposte for knife regardless of your playstyle

[cedar abyss]

Oh :(

Is infernys 2 vs infernus 4 a big deal

[somber axle]

Yeah given similar skill level CIAG/Plasma will give more performance overall for faster TTK, higher damage stat, definitely more boss damage, etc. but what I said is not wrong. In the right hands (not even just mine, really anyone who wants to put on the clown costume too tbh) can find matches where their Recon objectively performed better than the CIAG or Plasma in other Vet hands. It is both possible but also realistic. Not like a Shredder Autopistol hitting 1 mil damage or people fluffing up stats, but for a real game with real players in quickplay it happens and isn't an outlier, just a normal thing

[fiery plinth]

Hhh unfortunately I don't have uncanny

[serene bough]

You must obtain

Uncanny is a must have for knoife

[balmy flume]

…yea ok I lost the streak.

[serene bough]

Im sorry

[balmy flume]

Eh it’s fine.

A good lesson to avoid hunting grounds for deathless lol

[junior needle]

I mean, yeah anything goes in terms of randos performance

[velvet dawn]

would you like help

[junior needle]

I'm pretty sure I could go into a given quickplay game with a recon mk2 and come out at or near the top of the performance list in a fair amount of games

Simply because I'm better than most players

[balmy flume]

Maybe not right now, thanks. Will need to sleep soon-ish

[junior needle]

I could've told you that beforehand

[somber axle]

Yeah but rating everything at the highest possible metric all the time also isn't realistic. What's realistic is just normal matches with normal people. None of the Vets I played with were bad and they all helped push the win and we helped each other through the match. They're not bad players for having less ammo efficiency, damage or kills. They were good. But what some people define as good and others define as bad. And I disagree

It performs in Damnation quite well and when I am a sillier clown I'll move into Aurics as my main game mode

[junior needle]

They don't need to be bad for there to be a skillgap

[somber axle]

not quite silly enough yet

[junior needle]

Oh

[somber axle]

[junior needle]

You're doing regular damns

Yeah those are snoozefests

[somber axle]

I do Aurics sometimes when I'm feeling spicy

otherwise I tend to enjoy Damnation because it's right at where I have the most fun for my skill level

and tbh

I don't think most of the playerbase looks at Aurics

[serene bough]

Hishock auric is where it's at

[somber axle]

Oh for sure but with my job as it is, I am often zombie mode when I get home

Aurics on days off are fun

Aurics after a stressful, tiring work day? No

[fiery plinth]

Zombie mode

[serene bough]

Non stop auric

[fiery plinth]

That’s a mood

[serene bough]

Never stop

[somber axle]

I just want a fun Damnation where I blow away Nurgle's best

[serene bough]

Always do auric

[somber axle]

not like that

NO

[serene bough]

Its extra challenging for me considering my internet is also garbage

Sometimes I just die

[last parcel]

suuuure thing loose cannon

[cedar abyss]

Recon 2: med ROF
Recon 6: fast ROF, reversed dmg
Recon 7: slow ROF, slight AP
Is this correct

[serene bough]

Another W for the LC voice actor

[last parcel]

[serene bough]

Love my murder hobo

[winter grove]

Don't use mk2 please

[radiant chasm]

Reversed damage fall off is no longer a thing

[somber axle]

yes correct

[velvet dawn]

Quick question may be stupid but is sustained fire every 3rd and 4th shot in the gun

[radiant chasm]

A salvo is shots fired before recoil resets

[velvet dawn]

Ok

[serene bough]

In other words it's bad

[last parcel]

it's one of the krak grenade voice lines for the loose cannon

[radiant chasm]

To start a new salvo the gun needs to go back to it’s idle state which depending on the gun is bad to okay

[cedar abyss]

Wdym? Is it just less dmg now?

[serene bough]

You'll see the icon in your buffs section

[radiant chasm]

It has standard damage fall off

[cedar abyss]

I don’t have a good one, just 6 n 7 with headhunter inferns

[serene bough]

Itll become transparent when you've used the buff

[winter grove]

Remind me of that one conversation between fem savant and LC

[somber axle]

one other notable thing is that the Recon II and Recon VId both use 1 ammo per shot while the Recon VIIa uses 2 ammo per shot which means even though they all have comparable clip sizes on the surface, functionally the Recon VIIa is about the same clip size as an autogun

[radiant chasm]

Yee this, some weapons reset salvo quicker than ofhers

[somber axle]

but Recon VIIa also gets cleave

[cedar abyss]

But doesnt it show half dmg,?

[somber axle]

and higher damage per shot

[winter grove]

Don't use mk2, it's legit THE worst gun un game

[somber axle]

and better modifiers against enemies

[winter grove]

Want a recon? Use 6/7

[somber axle]

so tbh VIIa is better damage for less ammo efficiency

[radiant chasm]

Idk what you mean?

[somber axle]

Oh ok LMFAO I've never heard that line before

[radiant chasm]

Pretty sure the tooltip was updated when they removed the quirk anyways

[somber axle]

I don't use Krak most times though so that makes sense

[last parcel]

i only just heard it yesterday

[radiant chasm]

Krak lines were added in this update so yee

[junior needle]

They're all not performing well atm, but if you must then 7a with hh/dumdum and 6d with either hh and dumdum or infernus

[radiant chasm]

Pfft

[somber axle]

I'm working on my krak penance so I can't wait to hear my character say this in games LMFAO

[inland orchid]

Ya we got grenade voicelines on the drop of the update

[junior needle]

6 also doesn't have reverse falloff anymore

[radiant chasm]

Recons are for weaklings who are scared of a little recoil anyways

[somber axle]

yes hi that's me

[radiant chasm]

Use mk4 inflas, get the full auto mod if you are on pc, there you go fully automatic laser rifle

With real damage

[somber axle]

I like having an easy time keeping my shots on target

[junior needle]

Aurics are the only thing I found somewhat fun anymore before I got bored and stopped playing altogether

[radiant chasm]

And real recoil

[somber axle]

you come to this house of the Emperor, call others weak, then show up with a crutch in hand? pfft

mod out your weakness

[junior needle]

mk4 ilas isn't even good

[radiant chasm]

As a rambo agri brauto veteran since the start

[radiant chasm]

It’s better than a recon imo

[junior needle]

Facts

[radiant chasm]

Ive been gaming for 2 decades now my fingers need a break

[tall torrent]

Finally finished 2500 kills with marksman’s focus at 10 stacks

[somber axle]

some people are built different and unfortunately I am built INCORRECTLY which is why I am a recon main

[tall torrent]

This has to be the worst way to play this game by far

[radiant chasm]

If i had to click once per shot with the mk7 HH i would put myself in the hospital

[somber axle]

only if you want to speedrun carpal tunnel or use mods tbh

if you want a good fast firing Kantrael just use the Mg1a

[radiant chasm]

accessibility mods are 100% valid and saves the lifespan of my fingers and my mouse at the same time

[cedar abyss]

I usually combine rending, crit chance and brittleness w/ infernus and headhunter on
lasgun MKIV and recon MK6/ mk7

[junior needle]

1a is indeed the best one from multiple angles

[somber axle]

I agree but you're functionally doing no different than a recon under a different name

[cedar abyss]

I onl have 80 hrs in the gmae tho

[somber axle]

pretty much the same gameplay but the gun has better modifiers

[cedar abyss]

one of the most annoying things is getting good base stats and then my blessings/perks are dog :(

[junior needle]

You don't really want to take onslaught on the 7a (only really for crusher busting, it's modifiers are mostly fine) or the 4 ilas (fires too slow for real effective usage). Infernus is not good on them either.

[radiant chasm]

Rending stacking was hard nerfed in vet talent tree

[junior needle]

Dots no longer stack onslaught so that niche approach is out the window for ilas

[radiant chasm]

All my inflas variants are headhunter deadly accurate

That combo slaps

[junior needle]

headhunter/ghost also works

If you use dnd/deadshot shenanigans

[faint beacon]

2/5 Auric Mael's Done

its nerve wracking even having above one

lmao

[somber axle]

You can do it!

[radiant chasm]

Blamber

[bronze trout]

Emperor gave me this, is it worth upgrading or should I grab the rampage off of it?

[near sable]

we're here to press m1

[radiant chasm]

Sucks crit damage perk is stuck on there but crafting is a bitch

[faint beacon]

Look im just saying Toughness VOC Vet is so useful for it

[near sable]

i'd take it over 10% poxwalkers

[radiant chasm]

Me too

[somber axle]

absolutely and tbh VoC in Auric Maelstrom is probably the one place I'd use it

I dislike VoC for how easy it makes the game but it feels necessary for something like that

[bronze trout]

voc is crazy compared to the other abilities, it's not even close

[candid agate]

i have 1 plasteel

pain

[cedar abyss]

I spent 400k on lasguns and found only 1 that I liked

[faint beacon]

Look I enjoy being a walking toughness generator for myself and my team

[near sable]

average lasgun experience

[candid agate]

@faint beacon is there a special way to get the scoreboard mod work cause ive done everything i think it needs but it doesnt show up

[serene bough]

Wat gun

[cedar abyss]

Why can't I post images in here

[near sable]

did you add the mod to the load order

[somber axle]

I've considered a funny build using Kantrael Laspistol with Reassuringly Accurate combined with a lot of the talents like Covering Fire with lots of Toughness regen to spread toughness to the whole party constantly while shooting

[tall torrent]

I melee’d

[near sable]

second class citizenship, courtesy of people being special

[serene bough]

Is that possible

[tall torrent]

It says kills with 10 stacks, not ranged kills

Any kill

[serene bough]

Lols

Crazy

[austere pine]

after some time of being here, you get our red role which allows you to post files

just chat shit till you get it

[junior needle]

Not worth it, covering fire requires you to shoot chaffe very near your teammates who are clearing them in melee

[cedar abyss]

aghhh

[near sable]

the thundergat

[junior needle]

And born leader is just low efficacy

[cedar abyss]

well could someone tell me if this is a good idea (its a recon 6)

[austere pine]

which is kinda tough with guns that don't pass through enemies

[cedar abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637832143887663147/1231371151616376953/image.png?ex=6636b6c0&is=662441c0&hm=0faea1676d8e11367de46bbe66e3214bdc3856268de1cbee319116a2c38db902&

[austere pine]

gyat

recon las 🤮

[candid agate]

i hate gen alpha with a passion almost as much as i hate traitors

[faint beacon]

@somber axle Refer to this to see what im using but im running a Crit Heavy las with Infernus and Reassuringly

literally cannot fucking die sometimes with the sheer toughness I make

[restive mountain]

Word

[junior needle]

On god? Fr fr? Skibidi?

[candid agate]

im boutta brain burst

[austere pine]

we were the same to older generations, let's not bring this up

[candid agate]

good idea

[near sable]

too late it is

begun have the generation wars

[cedar abyss]

is it good?

[austere pine]

no literally. every elder generation dislikes or outright hates the younger one. time and time again

[faint beacon]

it truly is clockwork

[near sable]

replace infernus instead

[cedar abyss]

I thought mk6 is bad at close range

[candid agate]

@austere pine as it should be

[austere pine]

why though? this is going to sound not great but society keeps on progressing, despite the "terrible new generations" of the past and present

[cedar abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637832143887663147/1231372090209468567/image.png?ex=66259420&is=662442a0&hm=6e9f665fa47bcf58c9b9f270a2f453d5de9fb6d9a176b5b64f62571dc79554c6&

is this lasgun bad

[near sable]

irregardless of the way las works in close/long range - it's more damage

[candid agate]

because that is the way of humans

[austere pine]

gen X used to be the worst, then millenials, then gen Z, now it's gen alpha

[last parcel]

sticking out your gyatt for the rizzler

[candid agate]

it aint a good way

[last parcel]

you're so skibidi

[candid agate]

but its our way

[austere pine]

yes, but why, if this is recognized, bring up the new generation being terrible

[austere pine]

you're so fanum tax

[near sable]

aint no way yer killing carapace anything but generally, avoid infernus as it were the plague

[austere pine]

change it, then. be the change you wish to see in the world

[cedar abyss]

I hwas hearing the opposite on the forums thats why I was pretty happy to have rolled an infernus 4

[umbral scaffold]

how does rending work past 100%?

[austere pine]

we ain't the imperium. we can change undersirable things

[candid agate]

nah its funny being angry at the lingo

[junior needle]

Carapace is not a good pickup for it, neither is infernus

[near sable]

four burn stacks is like.. 12 damage/second

[austere pine]

it's even funnier to use it

[candid agate]

not this generations

[near sable]

id also suggest doublechecking post dates on data for this game

[junior needle]

Turned into bonus damage at 1/4 value

[austere pine]

chat is this guy fr?

[faint beacon]

Uh oh

[candid agate]

maybe

[near sable]

infernus used to be silly a long long time ago, but has long since been softened

[austere pine]

dudes you're capping

[candid agate]

i havent heard anyone say that in public recently

so it looks like they abandoned whatever that means

[austere pine]

nah you're cap

[near sable]

interesting phenomena: only people who live in or around very large metropolitan centers speak like this, and if they do so outside of said areas they are immediately ostracized

[umbral scaffold]

how does 25% vs flak/maniac work with rending?

adds to it?

[cedar abyss]

so what kind of blessings should I be going for on a Recon MK6 / MK7 or lasgun MKIa / MKIV

with perks being flak and crit chance

[austere pine]

yup. happens to be that people who live outside of cities live in more insular communities

[bitter turtle]

mg1/4 should be headhunter deadly accurate

[austere pine]

and can't afford to be who they'd be if given the choice to not have to interact with people who'd judge them

[candid agate]

im leaving this shithole called london then

housing is too expensive either way

[near sable]

i use this mkiv for anti-maniac duty with weapon specialist, i find it to be as close as it gets to an automatic lasgun

[bitter turtle]

recon should be headhunter/infernus or headhunter/dumdum

[candid agate]

what in gods name did you do to that poor lasgun

the stock is completely gone

[silver pond]

https://i.imgur.com/t10NSLm.png

[candid agate]

where will the recoil go to

[cedar abyss]

Ok thanks!

[faint beacon]

That is the most fucking evil lasgun I've ever seen

[silver pond]

Can't wait for Hadron to ruin this

[near sable]

"recoil"

"lasgun"

try again

[cedar abyss]

Oh cool I almost have infernus/headhunter on a MK6

[cedar abyss]

Nice!

[candid agate]

recoil exists for our characters does it not

[austere pine]

not with lasguns it doesn't

[faint beacon]

Reminder my pistol looks like this lmao

[candid agate]

THATS A PISTOL

[faint beacon]

Correct

[candid agate]

omg

[faint beacon]

I made it more an SMG

[candid agate]

the chaos gods have me in their grasp

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/377a9d11f2ac9154ba9f43ab5bb95f5d.jpg

[junior needle]

Just remember, they are quite under tuned currently

[faint beacon]

That is fucking evil

I love it

[cedar abyss]

Haven't they always been 😂

[austere pine]

@candid agate "Just keep in mind that even though lasguns are in principle the same on every planet, every production facility produces slightly different variants of the same weapon.

That being said, lasguns typically do not have a kick. Of course not.

Except those being produced on worlds where an artificial kick was implemented in the design. Nobody knows why, anymore, but some say it might have to do with these lasguns originally being training props for weapons with a real kick. Or out of a necessity to equip soldiers with it who are used to it.

Then there are those with the massive capacitors and insufficient magnetic shielding. I spare you with the details, but the discharge of the capacitor shakes the weapon violently. This 'kick' is of course not comparable to that of a projectile weapon, and the reason why someone proficient with a projectile gun doesn't necessarily make a good lasgun marksman.

Others generate the laser by superheating a tiny amount of plasma, which is then expelled. Those even have something akin to powder smoke.

Sometimes it's just the machine spirit acting up, though."

[near sable]

AHAHAHA

[austere pine]

as spoken by a redditor

[near sable]

"recon lasgun"
"always undertuned"

let me find it

[faint beacon]

Steel Legion mentioned

[austere pine]

put that abomination of a gun away

[midnight mortar]

There was a brief moment of parity.

[faint beacon]

never

[candid agate]

thats im joining chaos

[austere pine]

you're scaring the privates

[midnight mortar]

It lasted 3 weeks.

[cedar abyss]

Was it deemed OP or something?

[austere pine]

average cadian after the fall

[junior needle]

Is this actually from somewhere sourceable

[austere pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/47ewrf/how_come_lasguns_have_recoil/

[faint beacon]

me after getting the fucked up evil gun from Brunt

[midnight mortar]

It was that brief 3 weeks of relevance after the talent rework that Recons (and not even all recons, only the Mk VId really) were decent.

[junior needle]

So just some guy saying so without a source I assume

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark likely saw some clips of people killing a horde of poxwalkers in a long straight hallway without reloading and thought it was too strong.

[austere pine]

also, i trust adeptus ridiculous and i recall them saying that lasguns generally do not have recoil in some guard episode

hate it or love it

[candid agate]

feeling like that hobo from that tts short video but the enforcer is showing horrible works against the emperors guns

[near sable]

currently going through my 8600 messages to find a single recording

[midnight mortar]

It was deemed to be overperforming and had its crit string gutted in tandem with the Shocktrooper talent being changed.

It had far flak damage reduced as well as I recall.

[junior needle]

More than that, I’ll post it

[cedar abyss]

I didn't know it had any bonus vs flak

[silver pond]

Does Rampage have a t4 blessing variant?

[midnight mortar]

Bless you. I don't have the stomach to stay invested with DT's current state after all these years.

[midnight mortar]

Not necessarily a bonus, just the % of damage it would deal against that armor type.

You can see it in the stat breakdown for the weapon when you inspect it.

[bitter turtle]

it used to have no penalty at long range vs flak

now it does

along with a penalty on nearly every armor type

[junior needle]

the adm's are not visible for recons without doing maffe

[midnight mortar]

I will never forget you, discount hellgun.

[junior needle]

underlined are nerfs instead of just falloff swaps

[faint beacon]

The fucking rollercoaster that is the Recon lasgun

[cedar abyss]

Wow thats a big nerf

[bitter turtle]

uh

excuse me

its actually a buff

[midnight mortar]

It's not like it even outshined the top performers back then either.

[bitter turtle]

• a certain playtester

[midnight mortar]

It was just brought up to "average/above average".

[austere pine]

is this good for infiltrate?

[midnight mortar]

I remember that guy.

Real tired of his shit.

[bronze trout]

Why did the recon get to be good for like one patch but shit like VoC and the columnus has been top tier for what feels like forever?

[faint beacon]

If you

are sticking near your team

yes

if not no

[candid agate]

who is the certain playtester

[midnight mortar]

Fatshark has the data and believes in their plan.

[cedar abyss]

What should be in its place on a reconl asgun then?

[midnight mortar]

Someone who doesn't post here anymore as far as I know.

[bitter turtle]

they're a mod so I don'tw ant to get banned like darcy 😔

jk

[midnight mortar]

Though they're still around in the server.

[candid agate]

right

[bitter turtle]

dumdum and infernus are both fine on recon

[candid agate]

lets not keep talking about him then

[bitter turtle]

assuming 6d

[near sable]

i miss crab

[bitter turtle]

on 7 iw ould go dumdum

[cedar abyss]

yep 6 :D

[bitter turtle]

then both are fine

inferus better at long range

dumdum better close up

[near sable]

dont use recons but this is from the golden age

[bitter turtle]

speaking very generally

[candid agate]

wow a weapon that isnt an abomination

[bitter turtle]

want to see perfection

[candid agate]

NO

I DONT

PLEASE

[faint beacon]

is this worrying that this is the "normal" one that I have

[candid agate]

its not really that bad

[austere pine]

you get to have armor of the 6th now

very cool

[faint beacon]

Loyalist 6th

[austere pine]

yes

[candid agate]

just the bit between the barrel and the centrel bit is a bit weird

[bitter turtle]

the finest weapon known to humanity

https://i.gyazo.com/4c55a110eb67744cca1d064e34a1e250.png

can bisect european knights with a simple vertical slash

[near sable]

folded 10,000 times

[candid agate]

what has been modeified about it

[faint beacon]

ermmmmm I was studying the blade...

[austere pine]

a karking katana....

get this heresy out of my sight

[candid agate]

watch out hes gonna do his stupid fraggin run

[faint beacon]

Both arms behind him

[candid agate]

with his back hunched over and his arms behind him

exactly

[faint beacon]

Dont mess with a real ninja

[inland orchid]

Close distance boys, we got a tau among us

[cedar abyss]

would a lasgun ia be basically the same stuff?

[inland orchid]

He even got the katana to prove it

[candid agate]

a real ninja is a sneaky zealout

*zealot

[bitter turtle]

zealots* dont have smoek greandes

to throw at their feet

[near sable]

likely

[candid agate]

yeah cause they fools

[bitter turtle]

and then teleport behidn the heretic

[near sable]

however don't discount ghost, makes you a ranged tank

[bitter turtle]

and nothin personnel them

[faint beacon]

My Infil veteran would like to have a word with you and the comically large Mk6 Knife with Haymaker on it

[austere pine]

wait till this guy hears about the callidus assassins

[cedar abyss]

煙玉ですか？

[austere pine]

man, can you imagine a sniper elite-like game that's wh40k and you're a vindicare assassin?

[austere pine]

whipped out the google translate rq

[near sable]

reasons why the recon lasgun was nerfed:

[faint beacon]

What is this abomination that I just threw together

comically large knife

[austere pine]

a blade serrated like that is only usable for stabbing

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[faint beacon]

The London Experience

[bitter turtle]

and then they buff columnus so you can do the same thing

[near sable]

[bitter turtle]

its not even really that impressive

[near sable]

it isn't but it is funny

[bitter turtle]

left clicking with plasma does the same thing without needing to waste 4 pts to grab onslaught

[candid agate]

your giving the catachan in me a great erection

[austere pine]

tbh you should not be slashing with a knife, but that's besides the point

[hearty panther]

1020 plasteel, damn

thats nice

[candid agate]

you folks wanna see a beaut of a power sword

[midnight mortar]

Ah but that's old hat. That doesn't get on the front page of Reddit because it happens all the time. No need to nerf.

[cedar abyss]

@bitter turtle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/637832143887663147/1231371151616376953/image.png?ex=6636b6c0&is=662441c0&hm=0faea1676d8e11367de46bbe66e3214bdc3856268de1cbee319116a2c38db902&

[austere pine]

that's the shit

[candid agate]

hey your a convict now

[cedar abyss]

Do you think that is better or should I replace inferus w/ headhunter like kartek said?

[faint beacon]

Look im trying to make a Bowie Knife without it being Catachan levels of large

[cedar abyss]

OMG I am thanks!

[midnight mortar]

"Pay no attention to the Columnus behind the curtain."

[bitter turtle]

looks fine

[bitter turtle]

here's my powersword

https://i.gyazo.com/8032c7839493b1ef55917de9441aebcf.jpg

[candid agate]

oh god

[bitter turtle]

its just a stick actually

[cedar abyss]

Ok tank you :)

[candid agate]

how does it get its power

[faint beacon]

EXCUSE ME

THIS IS A KNIFE