veteran-class

[tribal tangle]

its pretty bad against crushers as expected, good against scab ragers and whatnot tho

[neat stratus]

(I think?)

I mean its ok at least I know

[tame lodge]

Point blank is not it

If only the special had more damage

[tall torrent]

point blank is horrible

have fun smashing ur revolver hoping to get a melee kill

[somber axle]

Swap Point Blank to Hand Cannon

That's a really good Revolver though!

Can make it near perfect

[neat stratus]

Oh it doesnt mean your actual melee weapon kills too?

[somber axle]

The only thing that would make it better would be swapping the reload speed and mobility stats and tbh that's not a big deal with talents to offset reload speed

[tall torrent]

it's only revolver's special action melee kills

[neat stratus]

Damn

Alright then Ill see if I can get Hand Cannon

[tall torrent]

far, 3/4 off

revolver specifically wants elite + maniac, hand-cannon + surgical

[tame lodge]

Tbf that's what it shows on the blessing icon

But the tooltip

[neat stratus]

Fair enough but the wording didnt imply it was just the gun

[somber axle]

putting it to 3/4 perks/blessings it wants is still a pretty solid revolver tbh

not perfect but still near perfect

[neat stratus]

Ok so I found that AMD Super Resolution 1 is actually my best bet for fps

[tame lodge]

Exactly, major issue there

Wonder if I can run a melee build and just go breaking noses with it

[neat stratus]

So Im just gonna write off the match I just had as a darktide moment

[neat stratus]

Which is surprising considering it doesn't help that much in Vermintide

Ultra Quality gets me to a consistent 75+

[neat stratus]

Revolver slap build

[balmy dune]

Any recommendations for shotgun blesses?

[fast sundial]

anyone thought of doing this penance with melee?

[tall torrent]

get to 10 stacks with crab walk and just melee

[midnight mortar]

A whole new breed of penance hunting veteran. Crab walking and meleeing in order to complete a ranged focused penance.

[fast sundial]

Yup

that's the idea

crabwalk your way to victory

[fast sundial]

you jest but it is what i did

just found out you can still dodge while crabwalking

[tall torrent]

this is the true vision the emperor had for humanity

[bronze trout]

Luckly I'm almost done with this shit so I dont have suffer anymore

[tall torrent]

500 krak kill is the worst, actually

[fast sundial]

time to set crouch to a toggle

[tall torrent]

I rly should tbh

[fast sundial]

alright now that i can, input-wise, crouch and dodge

it's go time

[tall torrent]

dodge drops MF stacks

[fast sundial]

are you certain

it does not in the psykhanium

[tall torrent]

jump also does, even if ur starting from crouch

[midnight mortar]

Only by bending your knees and striking down your unsuspecting foes in close quarters after having honed in on your marksmanship 2,500 times will I forgive you of your sins.

Truly a visionary.

[tall torrent]

ok maybe not dodge

but just don't jump ever

[midnight mortar]

No I'm just amused/impressed.

[tall torrent]

I was running tinker smoke + demo stockpile + demo team for smoke penance

[fast sundial]

i'm just imagining that my team is beyond confused looking at what the hell i'm doing

viciously crabwalk dodging

must be one hell of a leg workouot

[somber axle]

ratling sniper melee gameplay

[bitter turtle]

pox fumes auric mael is pretty brutal

i had to sweat my ass off for that win

[junior needle]

I would've guessed barrel kills would be the worst

[split sapphire]

So you can get penaces for killing armored foes and kills with max Marksman focus stacks now?

[tall torrent]

nobody is aiming to do it so it doesn't count

class-based wise, 500 krak has to be the worst

[split sapphire]

Dang

[tall torrent]

limited supply + only works for a few enemies

[split sapphire]

Yea that is true

[terse idol]

Hmm might be easier on that modifier with mostly scab enemies

No ammo drops

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-frosty-sneaky-crouch-tactical-gif-20127269

[split sapphire]

Could work, but then again even with demolition stockpile, you'd have to manually replenish ever so often too just to get the most out of it

[tall torrent]

not rly since ur supply is limited

[terse idol]

Oh I guess there isn't ammo drops either

😭

Or err

Grenade

[split sapphire]

Oh right, demo stockpile's the only way then

[neat stratus]

Especially since you can kill maybe 2 targets tops, 1 regularly

You get 2 shots immediately, but then 1 more for each minute

Averaging 16 minutes per mission, thats 18-36 possible kills through kraks

With no grenade pickups ofc

[fast sundial]

it also says "armored units"

multiple scab ragers are a possibility

or perhaps bruisers also count

[neat stratus]

possibility

[fast sundial]

i can tell you that i certainly haven't exploded 100 crushers

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-lol-gif-7559333

spending a million dockets trying to get a slight upgrade on the Recon

chasing perfect weapons is a fool's game

and I am now joining it as one of the fools

[umbral granite]

Well, this is an interesting mission reward... let's see how badly hadron decides to brick it.

[arctic rampart]

man thats lucky ot get a 4 blessing that doesnt suck on a 354 blue

[umbral granite]

Anyone know if they fixed "Take A Swing"?

[arctic rampart]

what does defences do on shovels again, is that just block?

[umbral granite]

block and sprint cost

[lavish solar]

Hey a bit late but I took your advice

very helpful, thanks

[arctic rampart]

replace shattering impact with either blaze away or toughness on kill @lavish solar

[lavish solar]

yeah fair point

[arctic rampart]

damn that things sick

[grizzled pebble]

Gud man

I play blaze away shattering impact on my plasma personally.

[lavish solar]

Well what do you know I don't have blaze away in my blessing pool

like, at all

guess I'll stick to glory hunter for the time being

[tall torrent]

Swap shattering to gloryhunter/blaze away

And flak to elite

U want gunner 1HS

[arctic rampart]

my current best one pales in comparison

[last parcel]

time to spend 200k plasteel hunting for blaze away iv

[lavish solar]

1HS as in one headshot to kill?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[last parcel]

i sure hope it actually exists

[tall torrent]

1 headshot to kill both

[arctic rampart]

200k is not even worth hunting with, go at least a mil at a time

[winter grove]

Wasn't there some blessing that exists as only level 3?

[arctic rampart]

blaze away

[lavish solar]

never tested breakpoints for gunners with plasma, so thanks a lot!

[tall torrent]

Ur gonna need longshot / redirect fire

For 1HS dreg gunner

[arctic rampart]

the breakpoints are pretty strange when you add in gets hot, blaze away power. superiority complex, precision strikes. I decided it wasn't complicated enough and added rending to the mix too. thats why I'm testing if 10% ranged damges elites is enough...

seems like its sometimes enough, but other times maniac living with 5hp

[umbral granite]

I honestly prefer glory hunter over blaze away... toughness regen makes you infinitely harder to kill

[arctic rampart]

its definitely the safer choice but boss damage brrrr

[bitter turtle]

plasma doesnt really dot hat much against bosses

you should melee them instead

save plasma to snipe elites/specialist around boss

you really dont want to be reloading bc you unloaded all on boss and nothing for others lel

[umbral granite]

I forgot i even had this thing...

[arctic rampart]

maybe I suck but melee bosses seems like a non-optimal choice. especially nurgle

[umbral granite]

Do you use Krak or frag?

[fast sundial]

is that a relic from a bygone era

[lavish solar]

just tested, I think with my current setup I need upwards of 2 stacks of focus target to 1HS dreg gunners

[umbral granite]

yes

[arctic rampart]

I greatly prefer krak but currently frag and instead 10% rending

[fast sundial]

i imagine it was absolutely insane in its day

[lavish solar]

not sure what I'll be missing out on if I switch flak to elite tho, lemme do that real quick

[tall torrent]

You just need superiority complex, both ranged dmg nodes, precision strikes and either redirect fire or longshot

[tall torrent]

Take redirect fire

Or longshot

[arctic rampart]

I actually tested smoke the other day and it got me killed instead of helping me :D. They did function but the playstyle change made me move badly

[fast sundial]

smoke has been the most underwhelming experience i have had thus far

it felt like i didn't have a grenade

[lavish solar]

Just added both, it absolutely slaps now thanks

[cedar horizon]

oh boy, randoms surely aren't cordinated for penances

[tall torrent]

U only need either

[fast sundial]

yes but big number

[umbral granite]

This is my boss-destroying chainsword... It applies so much bleed.

[grizzled pebble]

I can headshot dreg gunner at 10 metres without elite damage.

[lavish solar]

fair enough, maybe use the point on 10% rending instead?

[arctic rampart]

@tall torrent currently I dont want to take longshot over rending strikes. I'm weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

You basically never need rending for plasma gun ever

[tall torrent]

What weapon are u using

Melee

[arctic rampart]

last run was mk3 ps/plasma

the rending node DOES make a difference when the shit hits the fan. it's not for 1 target breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Yea you don’t need rending then

[tall torrent]

It really shouldn’t

[arctic rampart]

your mom doesn't need rending

[tall torrent]

Most weapons in fact don’t need rending talents

[lavish solar]

okay, just checked damage profile and it made lots of sense

[tall torrent]

?

[arctic rampart]

its jk, relax!

you've never been mom joked ? is it against the rules in 40,000...

[tall torrent]

All good I’m just trying to explain why u don’t need rending

Most melee weapons don’t need it

[winter grove]

You just need carapace damage and pc4

[arctic rampart]

play a round or two with it, and without

and tell me its not better than the other 1 point talent you can take

I will do the same, I think you said for longshot?

[tall torrent]

There are, quite a few nodes better than it

If ur weapon doesn’t need rending, you don’t need to pick it

[winter grove]

Btw thanks for giving the tips on my stealth build

[arctic rampart]

I thought it would be a troll pick but it seemed to be more effective than I expected

[winter grove]

I do think rending would be detrimental

Having revolver breakpoints is so much better

[tall torrent]

Target down is better
Stamina regen delay boost is better
Duck & dive is better
Talents that actually boost melee dmg are better
Extra toughness is better
Demo team is better
Longshot depends on what ur weapon is

[winter grove]

Say, what curios should I be running?

Currently using like

[last parcel]

welp, time to start a gang war

[winter grove]

+2 stamina, max hp and toughness

[arctic rampart]

@winter grove the ones you think are most effective for you

[tall torrent]

U can never rly go wrong with stam + health + toughness

I have 2 toughness 1 stam

[winter grove]

Yup, using that

[arctic rampart]

I'm using 1 toughness, 1 wounds, 1 health, 3 combat regen, 2 gunner, etc.

[topaz lance]

been toying around with using the fast laspistol in a marksman focus/onslaught build
it's not exactly amazingly powerful, but fun

[arctic rampart]

a 100 hour player vs a 500 player vs a 1000 hour player all gonna have different preferences. and then the weapon or build you're using same thing even in those experience ranges, for example a left tree gunner type that ADS will like deadshot -- more stamina is awesome. so just pick what you think is best for you.

one thing I can say is at least 2x stamina regeneration is absolutely a good choice.

[arctic rampart]

that build is super fun on zealot middle tree... the blue stims are so good on it. hit F and your finger will fall off

[azure kiln]

Got nearly 100 hours, but played many similar games, and a lot of vermintide and drg. The thing is that more you know the game and more you are able to make almost any build work

[fast sundial]

i was team triple toughness

[last parcel]

but then i took an arrow in the knee

[fast sundial]

i am now team Maybe Balance Things Out

[iron marten]

The only time I used the triple toughness regen nodes was for the twins on hard mode, lmao

[fast sundial]

regen? i speak of curios

[arctic rampart]

why regen when you can voice of command

[iron marten]

Ooo, mb

[topaz lance]

I am addicted to the flamer when I play Zealot unfortunately. Cannot let it go

[thorn lark]

Exactly. And if you go bottom left tree (precision strikes, ammo, elite DMG) you might as well take the Stam Regen delay node.

[tall torrent]

Try 2 toughness + 1 stamina, it’s very fun

[fast sundial]

i only believe in stamina on psyker

but i will take your word for it

[crude fiber]

I'm stupid and run either all toughness or all stamina

[tall torrent]

Extra stamina is very useful for melee

[fast sundial]

currently running triple health (💀)

[crude fiber]

Used to run all health on ogryn for big number tho

[fast sundial]

i still get 180 toughness so it is not all bad

[arctic rampart]

whenever i Play flamer zealot none of my teammates can shoot a gunner. I'm not good enough to slide around like a crazed cocaine bear all the time yet 😄

like ill do it for 5m then get stuck in a corner and die a horrible stupid death

[crude fiber]

Nothing wrong with that. Helps when you get stuck in a bad spot or a take a bunch if chip damage and no one leaves you a heal

[somber axle]

All stam clown crew

[topaz lance]

That's why I bring knives with the flamer. Very satisfying to use.

[arctic rampart]

1 wounds is useful if you run a lot of pugs.. if your team is krak then prolly something else is better

[crude fiber]

[somber axle]

man

Scoreboard is funny

now I can see how ammo thirsty Plasma Vets are

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-eat-pog-gif-21952150

[lavish solar]

Random knife question, is executer any good at all?

[arctic rampart]

depends on their aim, how optimized their breakpoints are, and how bad the rest of the team is at doing anything about ranged elites.

[fast sundial]

it's mostly to be resistant to burstpoxers

[lavish solar]

wondering whether I can get away with uncanny+executer and change a perk, or just replace both blessings and do something lke uncanny+riposte

[somber axle]

our plasma vet in the last match took an ammo crate, kept it to themselves when me and the CIAG Vet were on yellow/orange, still took tins/packs from us, then when they finally set the ammo crate down they took 3 hits off it LMFAO

[fast sundial]

executor drops stacks on miss

either missing entirely or missing the head

[crude fiber]

Plasma should ideally now only be used for specials/elites. No more spamming it against spread out shooters

[lavish solar]

yeah one miss and all stacks are gone, kinda sucks

[somber axle]

I can show the scoreboard screenshot in your DMs if you wanna scratch your head

[arctic rampart]

I'll try longshot & competitive urge instead, I don't really have too many stamina problems

[crude fiber]

I've never once used competitive urge. Does it procc a noticeable anount?

[arctic rampart]

damn thats not really a plasma vet problem... more like not-ideal-player problem

[tall torrent]

Take stamina regen delay boost over comp urge

[somber axle]

yeah they were pretty funny because they were shooting plasma so much I thought they were really clearing the map then I read the Scoreboard and they only have 2 more elite kills than me, 7 less special kills and 9 less disabler kills and 130k less damage dealt with almost 200k overkill damage

[arctic rampart]

is that for blocking/melee bosses or? because I dont ads at all with plasma and only time I have problems is deadshot weapons

[somber axle]

they ate 7 small tins, 3 big packs and 3 ammo crate hits

[tall torrent]

It starts stamina regen faster after every push, block, dodge & sprint in general

[somber axle]

bizarre

[tall torrent]

Allows u to go really far just by sprint & slide which has full ranged attack immunity

[last parcel]

if only they knew the true power of the dark side

[somber axle]

LMFAO is that recon Psyker

[last parcel]

yes

[somber axle]

they're my fav creatures to watch

[last parcel]

[arctic rampart]

he collected metal! you should stop making fun of that warrior

at least he did something useful!

[somber axle]

I've seen a recon Psyker on white ammo pick up an ammo pack and then turn to face me, stop and stare blankly

[last parcel]

i can make fun of myself all i want

[somber axle]

they're the funniest creatures

[arctic rampart]

OH. LUL

[iron marten]

Le ammo vacuum

[neat stratus]

Which laspistol is the useable one?

[final locust]

so whats the story for todays latest commodores vestures outfit

[tall torrent]

elysian drop troop

[final locust]

when tf they gonna do

harakoni war hawks

[bitter turtle]

they're both usable

the fast one is my preference though

[iron marten]

ye, mk2 is also my preference

[umbral granite]

Depends. The one hits like a truck but has a slow fire-rate, while the other can fire about as fast as you can click, but needs multiple headshots to put down a gunner.
Both, however, have pretty solid crit-damage and headshot multipliers.

[somber axle]

Elysian outfits for all the classes

[junior needle]

The woad warriors are where the real money is

[somber axle]

also some very neat weapon skins

the knife and recon are my personal favs

but that laspistol skin is REALLY GOOD

[junior needle]

I'm gonna SLOP

OINK OINK

[somber axle]

that's me

spending weird amounts of money to look pretty

[junior needle]

Don't give money to bad companies

it encourages their bad habits

[hearty panther]

• man who bought darktide

[junior needle]

I didn't know they were a bad company when I bought it

Regretfully I could not refund by the time I learned

[somber axle]

Fatshark isn't burning a rainforest or anything like that. They have some questionable timing on releasing new content/updates but this recent update is amazing. New penances, new cosmetics, new titles, new puzzles, changed Hab Dreyko, etc.

I don't see a reason to not spend money tbh

Recon hasn't been buffed? Ok idc I still use it

[hidden timber]

The mission modifiers are sick

[somber axle]

YEAH

[hearty panther]

they have STOLEN 6,000 hours of my life at GUNPOINT and siphoned the money right out of my balls

[hidden timber]

The blackout one is really cool.

[somber axle]

New Tox Bomber is really fun and the tox mission condition is fun to play with

[hearty panther]

i do like the tox mission idea but i am not big on the maps being just INFESTED with health boosters lol

[junior needle]

False advertising/lying to their customers, releasing woefully unfinished early access games full priced, refusing to fix said game in anything resembling a timely manner, letting hedge be CM...

[somber axle]

I like game, update is fun, gameplay loop good, new things to do and new things to earn. Finally got cover art which is the one thing I've wanted since launch. Finally have Elysian outfits which is the second thing I've wanted since launch. This is like Darktide Christmas for me tbh

[old quail]

it also boosts toughness gen rn instead of decreasing it lol

[iron marten]

they have stolen 1000 hours of my life and stole my FRIEND'S money

[hearty panther]

in the spirit of the game i try to not abuse this

Hedge did nothing wrong.

[somber axle]

idk the story about the false advertising thing other than vaguely remembering they promised a lot of different kinds of guns on release and then couldn't deliver on that metric and tbh I don't care about that

[old quail]

i just wish the tox gas condition would combo with hi int and shock troop

instead of just hi5

[junior needle]

Hedge did everything wrong

[old quail]

same deal with monstrous specials, hishock + gas should be a normal auric combo

[hearty panther]

oh 😦 i was hoping i had just not seen a higher diff of it yet

[junior needle]

He was very antagonistic and passive aggressive

[somber axle]

no idea what the story is behind Hedge unless they're the funny CM who told everyone no weapon customization this isn't Call of Duty

[old quail]

yeah its super annoying

[somber axle]

and tbh that's the funniest thing any Darktide employee has said

[old quail]

cuz theres only 2 maelstroms with it and iirc one is a dog wave type

[somber axle]

very meme-worthy

so I give it a pass

[hearty panther]

hedge could dish it out, it was hella admirable

[somber axle]

people are using mods to customize their weapons anyway so does it matter?

probably for the people modding their weapons wishing they could show off their weapons to others

[hearty panther]

you know he never missed because even today you can raise an ear and hear the muttering of babies cry out his name in anguish

[junior needle]

Be passive aggressive ass and shit myself publicly

People are still laughing at me over it today but I won because they're doing so

[hearty panther]

that should just be your discord descript

[iron marten]

I've heard much about Hedge, but the same with Darcy too

[junior needle]

no u

[hearty panther]

Darcy was different, she did that shit pro bono and with aplomb

[somber axle]

tbh I viewed it more like him uttering a command "shit yourself" to everyone asking for weapon customization and the players who wanted to change sights/scopes/flashlights/etc. on their weapons proceeded to shit themselves for the rest of Darktide's life span

[iron marten]

lmao

[hearty panther]

it too was admirable, but also insane, but also, hilarious

[old quail]

darcy baited hardcore but if u knew her shit was weird

[iron marten]

All I know with Darcy is that they were the level 1000 vet

[hearty panther]

"I can't believe Hedge told that asshole to eat shit. I side with the asshole on this one because we share a single opinion and I have no social tact."

[somber axle]

who is Darcy?

what did they do

[hearty panther]

Darcy was probs at 2k by the time they got the boot from here

[junior needle]

What does it matter if people need to do a bunch of unpaid labor to get something into the game that fatshark had advertised as being in the game?

[hearty panther]

i mean she probably sitll plays ... right?

wait actually i did see her

like two or three months ago

[iron marten]

Jesus, I’m only like 730

[somber axle]

Did they advertise swapping scopes/flashlights/bayonets on weapons or did they just say "weapon customization" and then we get skins not actual mechanic changes to guns which fulfills the letter of the promise even if in your heart it isn't delivering on what you feel it should've been?

[hearty panther]

Like two years before release they mentioned wanting to make weapon customization a thing

[somber axle]

That's really funny and probably a disconnect with marketing tbh

[hearty panther]

But they shitcanned it because they were way behind schedule and the truth is that systems like that are a giant rats nest of bullshit to balance and deal with

Nah it's very real, the weapon customization mod is just using all the assets they had already made

[junior needle]

The top is from a magazine interview in july 2022

[somber axle]

9 times out of 10 marketing promises the moon and the stars when the devs are sweating wondering if the stars are even possible while crunching hardcore to put the moon in

[hearty panther]

It's unfortunate they got that far into development with it before dropping it but tbh it's better gone than in with their original vision

[junior needle]

This is an interview with the game devs directly

I have the pdf

[somber axle]

I've got a friend in cybersecurity who has said marketing has fucked up selling their services hardcore making dumb promises that he has to try to deliver on unless it's literally not possible

[tall torrent]

Their vision prob changed quite a bit tbh, going from launch to now

[somber axle]

Sounds more like either they cut it because it wasn't ready for release or Games Workshop sent them a letter that said "hey don't do this or go fuck yourselves"

[hearty panther]

this wasnt all that far from launch, but it deffo wasnt complete/integrated

there's a reason even Battlefield games don't do performance changing mods anymore

[junior needle]

I think you're playing devils advocate too much, everyone likes to blame the GW boogeyman but any reasonably company would get the ok before working on something like this

[hearty panther]

and fatshark has enough problesm with model clipping that honestly, meh

[somber axle]

if in the former case they may have dropped it entirely just because the amount of time and effort for it felt like it drew too many resources away from things they felt took more priority and rather than keep people praying for a carrot that might take forever to come out they just come back and say "not happening" in the funniest way

[hearty panther]

besides i didnt buy the game to change scopes on a fantasy gun

i also didint buy a game wanting that, when that game didnt have that

[tall torrent]

I’d like to change sights on my gun, just that is enough to me

[hearty panther]

cause that sure would be embarrasing as a blunder on my part

[wind grotto]

yeah I don't care about stat changing parts or visual stuff on guns other than just let me change the terrible sights on some of the guns to okay ones

[junior needle]

Presumably it's because they have spaghetti code which became too immeasurably complex to handle as they crunched to release their buggy, unfinished mess of a game

[somber axle]

to be fair GW does frequently tell independent creators to go fuck themselves with cease and desists and at best give them the offer of "join us officially as a hired employee or stop and go fuck yourself"

[junior needle]

Independent creators vs licensed game developer working on a major release

[somber axle]

Halo Infinite also had trouble with promising couch co-op splitscreen and then couldn't deliver

[junior needle]

343 is filled with incompetents as well, including people who hate halo

Best not use them as a standard

[somber axle]

and the Halo Infinite devs said in an interview "it's 90% done but that last 10% is not feasible for us to do at this point given how much less resources we have to work with now vs when we originally promised to put it in and it will never be in the game at this point"

[somber axle]

the standard in the games industry is make big promises then go "oopsie woopsie I can't yet or maybe ever :(" and release broken products the devs are expected to fix post-launch

the rare good companies who deliver good products on launch are the outlier not the standard

Look at Battlefront2

[trim lantern]

<- [A new challenger approaches!]

[somber axle]

or like Journey

or Fallout 76

[hearty panther]

ccccccccccccccccccccvvvvvvvvvvvvvfvvvvvvvccccvvvv-----------

[junior needle]

That is the current standard, which is encouraged by corporate simps who go "WAOW LOOK AT THESE BRAVE GAME DEVELOPERS FIXING THEIR ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT GAME THEY'RE REAL HEROES FOR DOING THAT"

[somber axle]

you can really just go on forever listing games that promises the world and delivered nothing

[hearty panther]

dang cat

[somber axle]

wait which one of us

[hearty panther]

my real idiot

[trim lantern]

I was wondering why that previous comment was... XD

[somber axle]

nah I'm not praising the devs or anything, I'm just getting what I have wanted since release and have no shame or guilt in doing so because game fun

[junior needle]

I'm just a schizophrenic manifestation, couldn't be me

[somber axle]

though actually maybe I am praising the recent update a little bit

it's really good

even without any new weapons it has breathed some fresh air into the game that was desperately needed

and by fresh air I mean awful Nurgle pox gas

[hearty panther]

a lot of pox gas

[junior needle]

I wasn't saying you were, but I will say I don't think the new update is worth calling "really good"

[hearty panther]

by the emperor thats so much gas

[junior needle]

It's a nice overhaul to penances but uh

Severely lacking in content

I would've accepted it as part of a larger update

[trim lantern]

Tbh, I legitimately agree w/ this take - the Tox Bombers included.

I have been taking time to "achievement hunt" in Darktide to the point where it's helped me improve my skills into consistently playing on Damnation and typically getting a win out of it.

[junior needle]

But not as a standalone with "oh yeah more coming soon(tm)"

[somber axle]

that's fair and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion on that
it could be better and there are things they could have delivered that would have made it so much more amazing like actual new maps or new weapons or a new class (ratling sniper WHEN) but as is I think it's really good for the fun puzzles, new penance system, new penances getting people to try new playstyles, new cosmetic rewards, new titles, new emotes, new end game poses, etc.

we got a new enemy type

and it's not a reskin of the bomber

tox gas is a very fun mechanic

muties spriting at 100 miles per hour when they get a whiff of the gas

LMFAO

[hearty panther]

fkn

catches me off guard still

[crude fiber]

The new update just gave us some chores ro do till they add actual content. I personally don't care about frames, titles and don't care too much about character clothes since I hardly see them in game. Wish they added more weapon skins

[somber axle]

8 muties running through tox gas on their way to your position now

[trim lantern]

It's legit "mustard gas for the players - an AoE Stimpak for everyone else."

[crude fiber]

Non premium currency weapons skins*

[trim lantern]

Pretty funny to look at. lol

[junior needle]

Wake me up when the hotshot volleygun gets added or recons get properly reworked

Or a new class drops

[crude fiber]

And maybe got rid of the actual worst scheme I've ever seen of making weapon skins weapon specific

[somber axle]

ok Master Chief I'll call you when the time is right

https://tenor.com/view/halo4-master-chief-cryopod-wake-up-robot-gif-17884403

[tall torrent]

It’s not enough to address everything this game needs but it’s a lot of things in the right direction and having some long term objectives to grind towards sort of eases that

New map content definitely would be good
New weapon content would be nice, but I don’t think are that great until crafting overhaul drops
Idk how they’d even go about new classes / skill branches with their current system

[trim lantern]

Pox Hounds when they're covered in a cloud of Tox Gas:

https://tenor.com/view/death-puss-in-boots-door-gatito-lobo-gif-27616937

NOOOOOO! XD

[somber axle]

I think the Longlas was never released because they intended it to be a Ratling Sniper (and maybe also Vet) specific weapon

[trim lantern]

Curses! I don't have embed perms! lol

[somber axle]

one day we'll have our tiny rat men scurrying the streets if we're lucky

[trim lantern]

[Laughs in M5 Twitch]

[somber axle]

until then crabwalking Vets trying to do the Marksman's Focus 10 stacks penance will have to fill that hole in our hearts

[tall torrent]

Ratlings basically aren’t coming because FS wants unified character heights and only exception is Ogryn

[somber axle]

did they confirm this in an interview or is this like the vibe everyone gets

[tall torrent]

Not sure where but it’s been said

I think all the existing classes can have interesting skill branch expansions

[somber axle]

until I know for sure it was a dev or CM who said it I will continue to dream of my tiny rat men

[tall torrent]

I’d love to see some sort of field engineer path for veteran

Barbed wires and AT mines

[somber axle]

Ooo that'd be NEAT

barbed wire to root enemies in place

if you walk too close they'll still smack you

bigger things like Crushers walk through barbed wire but get a stacking bleed for each second they're moving in it

that'd be COOL

[tall torrent]

They can also do Grail Knight’s quest thing for Psyker and twist it as “the voices in the warp told u to do etc etc”

[topaz token]

so is there some trick to getting Armourbane penance done? because 500 kills with kraks seems like A LOT

[tall torrent]

No
Suffer continues

[topaz token]

that's basically 500 kraks jesus christ

[tall torrent]

Gl

I’m at 298

[topaz token]

maybe if I get the melee only maelstrom and go heavy into nade regen

[tall torrent]

And I can’t play

[tall torrent]

No, just regular

U go for every ogryn/mauler u can find

Bring both regen talents

[topaz token]

I feel like the melee maelstrom would be big numbers tho

but ye I get u

[hearty panther]

just take tinkerer

[topaz token]

now if only my team could stop obliterating crushers before the nade goes off

[hearty panther]

throw it in crowds too

[topaz token]

oh, do normal flak plebs count?

[hearty panther]

if youre only waiting on oggies to use it youre gonna take forever

wasnt it just kills with no specification or did i misread it

[tall torrent]

“Armored enemy kills”

My assumption is everything it can stick to

[hearty panther]

Guess ill have to pay better attention then lol

[topaz token]

it doesnt stick to flak tho

maulers only the head sticks

worth a shot

[hearty panther]

i didnt track it. Also havent gotten it

i lumped it in the 'eh whatever eventually ill get it anyway' category

[lavish solar]

@tall torrent I tried out the uncanny + riposte combo on combat blade, works like a charm o7

thanks boss

[topaz token]

ok, flak mooks do indeed count

that'll make it far less painful

[neat stratus]

Oh ok, thanks

As for chainswords, is the new one better?

[iron marten]

my goodness, fan revolver is fun, but the ammo is lol

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-missed-gunshot-gif-18359004

[somber axle]

they've done it

THE most ammo tins I've ever seen taken LMFAO

and absolutely worth for how fun the fan revolver is

[arctic rampart]

I like the new one more. lights for horde, heavy for elites. buy cheap ones and test them out Wrath + Rampage Flak + Elite / Maniac allows for faster breakpoints on Elites/Specialists. Elite is preferred for non-bleed setups.
Flak + Unyielding: General increase in boss damage for either setup.

[somber axle]

I personally slightly favour the moveset on the XIIIg because the light swings are 1 strikedown and 3 wide swing cleaves on repeat so very good for light spamming your way through hordes safely while the heavies are 2 strikedowns then 1 wide swing cleave to make it consistent for bringing a heavy rev'd attack on a Plogryn, Burgle, Bulwark back, etc.

[junior needle]

Both work well. Generally speaking 4 is for heavy spam and 13g is for light spam.

[somber axle]

I'd recommend trying both

[junior needle]

They do not work well on carapace though

[somber axle]

yeah they're not good for Crushers

you have to build it with +Carapace and Bloodletter to make it kill Crushers

and the TTK is still not good with that

you need 2 heavy rev'd bloodletter attacks to bring a single Crusher down

and you're stuck in place letting the chainsword bite into the Crusher during the animation leaving you very vulnerable

better to not build it to deal with crushers and either run krak or have a ranged weapon more suited to killing crushers with it

Chainsword will solve most of your problems though

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-chainsaw-gif-27357232

[somber axle]

I will also say Chainsword is VERY FUN for bullfighting Muties

rev chainsword, dodge last second and swing as mutie goes by

mutie will run and your chainsword will carve at the air

mutie comes to a stop after their charge and then just falls over dead

you can do this consistently without Bloodletter

[split sapphire]

XD

Yup, lmao

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/corrida-bullfight-bullfighting-amideslobbies-adl-gif-27068218

[final locust]

that kantrael mk 1b flak targeter helm is so overused lmao

but the elysian gear looks cool

[somber axle]

yeah there are a lot of repeat helmets in the side panels

I wish they'd do repeat outfits tbh

there are a few things like Krieger set that I'm missing and want

[cinder adder]

Survivalist feels like dog shit now, it's not our fault FartShit can't make the other 2 passives worth taking. Don't nerf the only useful and necessary fucking Veteran passive just because no one picks +5% PeRcEnT dAmAgE

that is all

[split sapphire]

I share the pain, i enjoyed going gunzerker with braced autogun and just melting everything, now it's like i only do Voice of Command now

[midnight mortar]

Yeah, as expected the disproportionate effects are being seen downstream on particular weapons which cared far more about ammo than others.

[split sapphire]

Not to mention plasma guns, shotty's or revolvers

[midnight mortar]

Hoho, the absolute state of shotguns.

[winter grove]

So how's bolter doing?

[somber axle]

tbh as much as it feels bad for some Vets I think the ammo economy thing was an important move because high damage weapons like Plasma, Revolver, etc. don't even have to think about ammo with old Surv Aura vs now they have to pay attention to ammo economy and grab tins/packs

[last parcel]

I need ammo!

[split sapphire]

Emperor's Throne! Out of Ammo!

[somber axle]

same boat with arguably more holes than the Plasma or Revolver

[split sapphire]

Ach, guns as dry as the Witherlands

[midnight mortar]

It's rough, partly because of ammo and partly because the ammo it does have is even less impactful against the 6+ Bulwark packs now.

[somber axle]

if you wanna magdump a Boltgun a few times you'll feel the sting of low ammo later for it

[winter grove]

Might swap it tbf off my build

Just gotta think of good alternative for it

Oh I know

[somber axle]

you need 6 shots to open a Bulwark with Boltgun unless you use Executioner's Stance which lets you open a Bulwark shield with 2 shots (since Exe Stance has a hidden impact buff?) according to what I've seen other users say here

[winter grove]

Maybe I should try CIAG on vet

[midnight mortar]

Most everyone sensible agrees a change to the ammo economy was needed. But no one wanted a blanket change that doesn't take the nuance of different weapons into account like this.

[midnight mortar]

Yeah that's the only efficient way to open bulwarks with the bolter basically.

[somber axle]

I think Fatshark is going to wait a couple weeks to a couple months to let the changes shake out and watch the data flow before making any balancing changes to weapons to tune them up to where they think they should be performing post-Surv Aura nerf

[neat stratus]

thanks for explaining yall

And I think I like the heavier laspistol, the thing obliterates almost everything that isnt an ogryn

[somber axle]

CIAG is still VERY STRONG if a bit ammo thirsty

not nearly as thirsty as other guns

probably one of the better guns coming away from the surv aura nerf that isn't a lasgun tbh

[neat stratus]

If only it had higher damage

[somber axle]

Laspistols are very fun

😌

plus with the new laspistol skin they'll look so COOL too

[winter grove]

Thoughts?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd9473b-77ff-400d-9700-50bf119810bb/idk-ciag

[vale ledge]

Good or bad

[winter grove]

Low damage

[somber axle]

idk breakpoints well on it so it might be passable even with the lower damage stat but that's a big might

full bore is very good though

if you don't already have Full Bore IV snag that if only to get the blessing off at Hadron's

test it in the Psykanium and if you can one-tap heads with the special slug shot using Full Bore/No Respite then swap Infested to Maniac and you're good imo

keep flak/full bore otherwise

when you get an Agripina Shotgun with a better damage stat it'll feel much better

[midnight mortar]

I think the pinned weapon guides cover that?

[last parcel]

nah you won't really have to think that much

[somber axle]

CIAG is kinda braindead LOL

you can run it with any build

but yeah that build is fine and you'll do good with the CIAG with it

I would personally swap Redirect Fire off the keystone and put that point into Marksman instead

the 20% ranged power will make your shots right after Voice of Command way more funny on headshots

scream and then unload into the Burgle's back or Plogryn's head

at max 8 stacks Redirect Fire is only giving you an additional 12% damage for 10 sec vs Marksman giving you 20% more power for 10 seconds

could also swap off the little 0.25 sec stam delay node near Marksman's Focus if you want to keep Redirect Fire but still want to grab Marksman

[pseudo horizon]

I'm going to grind the Penance to supress 750 enemies using Infiltrate tonight. Any build tips or abilities that you would recommend?

[cinder adder]

not only does veteran feel straight worse to play now, all the inexperienced shitters are queing auric maelstrom

back to helldivers

[solar spear]

I'm trying to do the Unseen Predator penance, in which i have to suppress 750 enemies using Infiltrate. Does anyone know if shooting after stealth counts towards suppression from infiltrate, or do I need to only get close to the enemies and come out of stealth?

[winter grove]

Enemies around you are suppressed when you leave stealth no matter how

[pseudo horizon]

Does anybody have any build tips or recommendations for Unseen Predator?

[winter grove]

Grab any stealth build that has Overwatch talent

[dire olive]

Bro has NOT tried Marksman's Focus buff

[somber axle]

Grab Overwatch if you're not very familiar with using Infiltrate. The extra charge will mean you will have a back up plan of get back into stealth and sneak away if you stealth your way into enemies to suppress them and find yourself out of position and in too much danger. Having a get out of jail free card is very worth it. Also grab the -90% threat node or the -50% toughness damage reduction node. They both last 10 seconds after stealth breaks and will mean either you are entirely and completely ignored by every enemy around you so long as another player is in coherency range of you or you'll be able to tank hits better to help you survive longer after you appear. Last tip I have is to remember you can underhand lob grenades without breaking stealth. If you stealth and drop two shredder frag grenades you can safely wipe a room without worrying about stray poxwalkers tapping you while you're swapping to grenade and underhanding the throw

Do NOT grab both the -90% threat node and the -50% toughness damage reduction node

3 talent points spent buffing Infiltrate is way too talent expensive

make sure to remember underhanding grenades in stealth because sometimes you find yourself literally surrounded on all sides by poxwalkers and can't move

you do not need to swap melee and begin swinging to get free if you have a grenade

just underhand grenade, let it shove them away and use the remaining stealth duration to sneak off

[tall torrent]

infiltrate into big horde, start attacking

[cinder adder]

It's great until I'm running out of ammo lol

[dire olive]

Use a lasgun

Been using laspistol it's a blast

[cinder adder]

Bruh I nearly ran out of ammo using a Hellbore and free las crits

[winter grove]

That's a bait

Bait used to believable

[dire olive]

Skill issue then at that point idk

[cinder adder]

The fact is, Survivalist now punishes you for killing elites and specialists quickly

[winter grove]

No it doesn't

[somber axle]

Do you mean Auric Damnation

or just standard Damnation

I've run both since the update using my Recon VId and I've been fine in both tbh

[winter grove]

I've been running agri shotgun pre and after update

I had no problem with ammo

[dire olive]

"recon" "fine" nice bait

[somber axle]

I've also run it with Kantrael XII, Kantrael Mg1a, Helbore Mk III, Agripina Shotgun, Revolver and Boltgun

[winter grove]

Either you use mk3 hellbore miss every 2nd charged shot on horde

Or you're baiting

[hoary horizon]

Bayonnet charge fun

[somber axle]

this is normal Damnation

my Recon did the most damage and kills

I was also the most ammo efficient

you do not need to understand my clownery

but it is real

[arctic rampart]

@winter grove little thing but if you're running voice of command, get back in the fight over catch a breath IMO

[somber axle]

and I can finally prove it now that I'm using Scoreboard

[cinder adder]

I kill a special, I must wait 5 seconds to get more ammo. So if I mag dump and kill a bunch of elites I lose out on the RoI of Survivalist

[dire olive]

Idk man your teammates gotta be drinking paint

[winter grove]

Blue recon can be yood

[dire olive]

This is bait

[winter grove]

You're using a fucking hellbore

[somber axle]

the Vet on the far right was a Plasma user, the other Vet was a Columnus Infantry Autogun User

[dire olive]

I have tried so hard to enjoy them

[somber axle]

The Zealot used his Flamer a lot

[winter grove]

It's regarded as most ammo efficient gun

[somber axle]

Flamer is fun

[dire olive]

But they desperately need a buff

[winter grove]

You could probably run it WITHOUT pre-nerf surv and be fine

So you're either using charged shots to kill a lone poxwalker or lying

[somber axle]

Ok after looking at the screenshot again technically the CIAG user outdamaged me by 11k

I did have to spend a weird amount of the match engaged in melee trying to fight off hordes though

[cinder adder]

OMG move past the Hellbore I'm talking about Survalist in general. And yeah, I had less than full clip in my Hellbore in one of my recent Auric Maeltrom games

[arctic rampart]

@somber axle you running 3rd on ammo taken is the most impressive to me. tells me you can aim more than them and aim fire more consistently. or they got shit setup lul. your boss damage sux! but not like anyone ran away with it there wasn't muhc boss overall 😉

[dire olive]

Oh no, you have to pick up one small ammo pack every 5min

[arctic rampart]

I need to switch scoreboard mods.. the one I use is basic

[somber axle]

if you value ammo crate hits more than ammo tin hits then technically I was more ammo efficient than the Zealot too

[midnight mortar]

I'd recommend adding Defense and Enhanced for the scoreboard.

[somber axle]

also yeah Recon VId's biggest weakness is boss damage

she really can't do much there

[winter grove]

Uh huh

[somber axle]

I use my Chainsword and rev it up to run melee against Plogryns, Burgles and Chaos Spawn

[arctic rampart]

I don't really value them TBH because if I run low I'll just melee them until I have more 😉 but just paying attention to ammo cause my expectation was that recon sux

[winter grove]

By any chance do you actually shoot lone poxwalkers

[tall torrent]

u kill stuff along the way, survivalist just alleviates ammo drain for u, ur not meant to fully self sustain otherwise why even have that many ammo pickups scattered across the map

[winter grove]

^

[somber axle]

it does in the hands of people not running my hyperspecific build and doing the absolute clown shenanigans I do to make it work

[cinder adder]

@dire olive Yeah omg you're so right! Why didn't I think of that! I'm using the Hellbore after all! But maybe....what if I'm not using the Hellbore 😱 and I wanna play with a weapon that doesn't have great ammo economy 😱😱😱

[winter grove]

I use revolver and shotgun on stealth builds

[somber axle]

don't get me wrong Recon is my fav gun and she has better ammo economy than most give her credit for but tbh most people will not enjoy or be able to play her like I do

[winter grove]

Those two have shit ammo economy

GUESS WHAT

[arctic rampart]

recon is my favorite gun but its just a lot worse so it makes me mad to use it

but I gotta admit shooting through teammates with the plasma makes me happy

[somber axle]

OH WHOOPS

I just realised I forgot to block out the steam IDs

I need to delete the screenshot SORRY

I know there's a big rule of do not share other player names here

[cinder adder]

"Stealth builds" so builds that have synergy with movement and melee, yeah that makes sense

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/taiho-shichau-zo-teehee-anime-youre-under-arrest-ova-gif-21342147

[winter grove]

I mean, you didn't shame them or anything

[dire olive]

Vets when ammo economy is a thing that actually exists now:

Anyways I'm sorry I was drinking this evening

I'll go now

[winter grove]

Yeah, those that have literally no access to surv because of infiltrator point tax and still do need a ranged weapon to be efficient

Those ones

[somber axle]

even still I don't want others judging them for one match

it's just one game and not representative of their performance imo

they did pretty good overall and we covered each other well

[winter grove]

Don't sweat it

[somber axle]

the plasma gun is just a very thirsty gun now

[winter grove]

The rule is about showing the name and going "this fucking guy"

[somber axle]

ah ok

just in case I'll keep blocking out names because I'm really only showing screenshots as a metric of "recon is my clown gun"

it's not really about the others other than comparing ammo efficiency

[winter grove]

Surv nerf is justified

[cinder adder]

Now that's bait

[hollow ibex]

nah there are plenty of people who hate fun, and genuinely think this

[hearty panther]

yall lucky they didnt just delete it

[cinder adder]

Right? Like this isn't a competitive PvP shooter, why must FS tune down the "over performing" and/or "most popular" talents/weapons? I get if it is trivializing the experience, but was Survalist doing that? A: No

[bitter turtle]

it was trivializing ammo managment

i agree it was justified

[cinder adder]

And let's not pretend like Vet hasn't been the biggest loser since they reworked the talent trees, with meaningless auras, talents, keystones...

[tall torrent]

Ok now this is bait

[bitter turtle]

wdym meaningless aura

[bitter turtle]

survivalist was so fucking broken compared to any aura on any char

look at everyone else

they have fire team and close and kill tier auras

"10% more heavy attack damage"

[cinder adder]

The middle aura

[bitter turtle]

"7.5% elite damage"

"15% toughness dmg reduction"

loner existing

this is all on par with 5% dmg aura and 5% movespeed aura

or worse even

frankly 7.5% elite is probably even worse than fire team

nevermind loner

survivalist is just so broken as fuck and its not even to the benefit of vet mains

because everyone cries and moans if you take anything else

because the gungryn wants you to feed him ammo

[hollow ibex]

this is true

[cinder adder]

EXACTLY, OTHER CLASS PLAY STYLES NEED IT TO HAVE FUN

[hollow ibex]

yeah it's really shit game design

[bitter turtle]

yes and that's fucking dumb

nevermind nerfing it

i want them to delete it period

[hollow ibex]

but nerfing it wasn't the answer

[tall torrent]

So it’s not only limiting your build options it’s also severely impacting what other classes are meant to be capable of

[hollow ibex]

when there isn't an actually suitable solution

[cinder adder]

"I don't want people having FUN in MY coop shooter"

Get a life

[tall torrent]

You’re twisting words

[bitter turtle]

its the opposite

i want to have fun

[hollow ibex]

they just fuckin band-aid "fixed" it and called it a day

[bitter turtle]

not feel like I must take the left side fo the tree

[tall torrent]

You’re even agreeing with us that it’s way too impactful

[bitter turtle]

just because my team will think im trolling otherwise

lol

[cinder adder]

Exactly it was lazy

[bitter turtle]

unless you're a shredder autopistol main you will be fine with nerfed surv anyway

[tall torrent]

It’s better to have an ammo economy that accounts for all classes’ ranged weapons than “survivalist fixes the problem”

[cinder adder]

I'd agree but we've never had that in Darktide

And that would require FS to make that happen

[bitter turtle]

a lot of good guns on vet could go entire games without picking up ammo before the nerf

oh no

you're going to have to pick up some ammo now

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t mean we can’t start to have it

My experience with the survivalist nerf is that it encourages you to loot more which is a good thing in my book

[cinder adder]

Let's not forget the original Veteran ALWAYS had Survalist

[bitter turtle]

idk what that is supposed to mean or prove

should we revert pinning fire back to 100% damage boost because thats how it used to be too?

[crude fiber]

I mean 👀

We could

[bitter turtle]

if you want that experience

i have a tip

[crude fiber]

At least for shredder auto

[bitter turtle]

set your game to sedition difficulty

you can simulate the same experience

[tall torrent]

Like, if you’re looting efficiently and know the loot spawns then ammo isn’t nearly as bad as you’re making it out to be

[crude fiber]

Untrue, there will 1/3 of the enemies then

[tall torrent]

There’re maybe only 2 builds besides veteran that lives and dies based on ammo

Gun psyker
Gun ogryn

You won’t encounter both being present in every possible mission

[crude fiber]

Mag dumping bolter zealot would like a word with you

[cinder adder]

Im literally asking for an ability to work in my favor all the time whenever I do the thing that triggers it, and not only every 5 seconds when I do the thing

[crude fiber]

Replied to the wrong message

[bitter turtle]

i sure hope that zealot isnt magdumping into hordes

they should still be meleeing most of the time

[cinder adder]

And all that ability does is give me a wittle bit of ammo to shoot gun with

[bitter turtle]

its called a cooldown

[tall torrent]

Every logical boltgun main zealot is actually just a throwing knife enthusiast

And if they’re using boltgun to magdump non-elite horde, they’re using it wrong and they probably don’t have enough knowledge to find as much ammo as u do

[bitter turtle]

do you want VoC and infiltrate to have 0 cooldown too

[crude fiber]

I mean 👀

Maybe for a day as a joke

[tall torrent]

Would u prefer it to be 1% on a 5s CD, or 0.2% but working all the time

[cinder adder]

Those impact you and the team WAYYYY more directly than getting 1 bolter shot for every 2 elites you kill

[bitter turtle]

sure, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with having a cooldown on survivalist like you were implying

[cinder adder]

Or, 1.75 or whatever fucked up calculation is it based on your total ammo

[bitter turtle]

like

[tall torrent]

From what I’m getting

You agree with us (for the most part), but u think it shouldn’t have a cooldown (arguing semantics)

[bitter turtle]

i really have to ask

and wonder

are you like

[somber axle]

I feel like 0.2% would leave Revolver back in square 1 of not caring about ammo like it did pre-update tbh

[bitter turtle]

meleeing

its a core part of the game

you arent supposed to play TPS all the time

yes, even on the gun class

[cinder adder]

There is, we chose the talent to use the talent, to reap the rewards. And if I kill like 10 shotgunners and the kill feed goes NUTS I get .75 of a bullet 😐

[bitter turtle]

there's a reason your melee is labelled your primary in the game

and your gun your secondary

its not a backup

your melee weapon should be your first option

[crude fiber]

I think if they swapped to only ranged elites give the ammo with no cool down it would be better. Would be logical and remove special wave spam and melee elites from giving ammo

[tall torrent]

What weapon are u using exactly

[last parcel]

haha chainsword go brrrrr

[cinder adder]

Nah nah nah, this ain't Vermitide that argument is bad

[somber axle]

tbh I could see them eventually updating the talent tree and giving auras additional nodes like they do with abilities to enhance them

[winter grove]

Taxe 7

[cinder adder]

"melee is the primary" is not, has not been Darktide

[somber axle]

if you have to sacrifice a talent point to lower the CD to say 3 sec or 2 sec it would be a talent price many would pay

[bitter turtle]

its literally labelled primary in the game

[tall torrent]

What weapon gains 0.75 ammo from 1 elite kill

[bitter turtle]

idk what you are talking about

[tall torrent]

I’m trying to figure out which

[bitter turtle]

like this is an objective fact

[somber axle]

plus additional nodes to boost auras would mean you could make speed aura and fire team funnier

[cinder adder]

Low ammo count weapons

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/63d7dcabbf99b34d693b6f94cf689eaf.png

[tall torrent]

Most of them aren’t 0.75

[bitter turtle]

see that above the axe

labelled PRIMARY WEAPON

[crude fiber]

Remove/reduce speed penalty from no Stam sprinting

[winter grove]

I am gonna kill you for that vraks

[cinder adder]

Because it's 1% but you have to queue it up, and then once you reach a full bullet THEN it gives it to you

[bitter turtle]

fine, have my edgy black loadout then

https://i.gyazo.com/4aa83a9928ac7a0671ba9d47d9e36abc.png

[cinder adder]

That was the last nerf, which was fine

[tall torrent]

I’m asking u which exact weapon variant are u talking about

Because if you’re telling me revolver, you’re most likely playing melee build with weapon specialist

If you’re telling me shotgun, you’re most likely playing melee build with weapon specialist

If you’re playing boltgun, you’re getting 1 because of +25% ammo rounding it up to 1

If you’re playing plasma, you’re getting usually 1.5

What exact weapon is 0.75

[cinder adder]

I'm speaking in hyperbole and non exacts I know the breakdown of what you get in weapons

[bitter turtle]

that's called "making shit up"

[tall torrent]

Yes I’m talking very practical applications here

[crude fiber]

Bolter, revolvers, shotguns, kickback, grenade gauntlet, rumbler. I think these are all the sub 100 ammo weapons

[cinder adder]

It doesn't round up to the nearest full count anymore, which was fine

[tall torrent]

The only “low ammo” weapons ur referring to on veteran where u genuinely shoot more than u melee are boltgun and plasma

[somber axle]

that'd be a really funny one

[tall torrent]

Boltgun literally requires u to adjust ur whole build to it and always forced u to learn ammo pickups even before the update

[bitter turtle]

god forbid the revolver get slightly weaker

time to review bomb the game folks

[tall torrent]

Plasma being balanced by lower ammo is perfectly fair

Revolver/shotgun u don’t shoot more than u melee

What other low ammo weapon is of concern here

[bitter turtle]

btw

[cinder adder]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know my play styles

[bitter turtle]

i wanna say its good they had the foresight of NOT doing this

[crude fiber]

How could they nerf revolver without making feel like ass? It already struggles to 1 shot specials without crit/talent investment on other classes

[cinder adder]

What's to say I don't use the revolver to shoot mostly?

[bitter turtle]

since the nerf affects auric mael more than it does low difficulty

[somber axle]

I guess someone could go all in on left or middle tree with revolver and it'd still be ok but idk why anyone would go Marksman's Focus with a Revolver tbh

maybe for extra funny boss damage?

Focus Target could be a funny keystone with it though

[tall torrent]

That’s fair, if you play sharpshooter with revolver, you have a high move speed weapon with long reload time so you already don’t get to shoot it as much as weapon specialist, also the move speed helps u get to ammo faster than most of ur team

[bitter turtle]

revolver is designed and intended to be used on a melee build

[crude fiber]

Laspistol zealot has a new challenger

[bitter turtle]

you might as well ask why your melee weapon doesn't shoot bullets

its just not what it was meant to do

[crude fiber]

I mean 👀

[somber axle]

yeah after enjoying melee Vet it really does synergize best with weapon specialist but if someone wanted to go all in on ranged playstyle with revolver I guess Focus Target keystone isn't awful on it

[cinder adder]

I actually developed a way to be efficient with it. Shoot 4 then reload, making use of +reload speed on elite kill and + reload speed for ammo still in clip

[tall torrent]

Revolver is also just a very strong ranged weapon balanced out by lower ammo & long reload so I don’t see why “less ammo” is such a big issue

Especially considering zealots were cooking with it without survivalist no problem before patch and they never had survivalist or really used reload speed talents for it

[crude fiber]

Well they did gut grenade gauntlet melee actually

[tall torrent]

That’s fair, but you’re not gonna be putting nearly as many shots down range compared to autoguns and lasguns

[unique sorrel]

instead of survivalist being a veteran perk it should be a universal trait, but you hold onto the ammo that you get from downed specials/elites and have to wait until you find a reloading bench halfway through the mission, and if you get downed before you reach the bench you spill all your casings. and also you have a 10% chance to pinch your fingers per reload

[somber axle]

I watched a Zealot vid where the guy was protecting the Veteran through Auric Damnation exclusively because he wanted the Surv Aura benefit LMFAO

he called the Vet "his little ammo bag"

it was funny

[tall torrent]

If you run both reload speed talents on revolver, that’s up to ur preference and if that’s how u want to play, you should know its ammo related weakness and adjust accordingly

[cinder adder]

It's meant to be able to kill Crushers with well places shots, so yeah you're right. It's not the CIAG but nothing is

[bitter turtle]

wdym

[tall torrent]

So what exactly is the problem you’re stating here

Sharpshooter revolver not having enough ammo?

[bitter turtle]

you say that like revolver hasn't been one of the top guns for months

[cinder adder]

That the pace of playing Marksman veteran has declined and it's less fun

That's it

And for why?

[bitter turtle]

marksman veteran does not use the revolver

[cinder adder]

Because "over performing" ?

[bitter turtle]

if you insist on it, then yes, you're going to feel weaknesses

[tall torrent]

If he wants to play with it that’s his right

[bitter turtle]

yes

but then he needs to accept that its going to be jank

like if i tried to use bolter weapon specialist

[crude fiber]

I never tested how silly max reload speed looks. Might try that when I get home. Both reload talents plus marksman or weapon specialist and blue stim. Could slap +10% reload speed, and that reload blessing on close kill for some guns

[bitter turtle]

or helbore weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

If Helbore WS actually worked the way it should it’d be so peak

[bitter turtle]

on the bayonet?

yeah

that woul dbe insane lel

[finite imp]

Based take

[bitter turtle]

i dont think aspd even affects the stabs sadly

[crude fiber]

New weapon specialist buff to remove draw time

[cinder adder]

Marksman revolver wasn't jank before but you're someone who's stomping there feet whining that Survalist even exists so

[bitter turtle]

idk im pretty sure you are the one stomping their feet about something rn

[crude fiber]

So it's come to Insults

[cinder adder]

I was not the first to insult

[finite imp]

Revolver is the gun that sacrifices every single stat for raw damage, but people will seethe for no reason and cry nerf

[white minnow]

unsurprisingly, a weapon like the revolver with a fast swap time and damage will be balanced out in other aspects like ammo

[finite imp]

Mind blowing

[somber axle]

I used to go all in on reload speed talents/stat/perk on Boltgun for how funny it would be to watch the Vet speeding through reloads like they're panicking LOL

[white minnow]

if you want a gun with more ammo, they exist

[unique sorrel]

more WS nodes

[tall torrent]

I think equal parts power comes equal parts downsides

If u want to play sharpshooter revolver that’s fine but you always had to pick ammo for it in the first place? It never had a positive ammo economy in the first place, you just pick up a bit more than before, what’s the exact problem

[somber axle]

optimal? no

[crude fiber]

Belt feed ammo backpack hammer fanned revolver when

[somber axle]

funny? to me yes

[finite imp]

If you build headhunter correctly you can basically get a 20 round revolver lol

[bronze trout]

Just got a new columnus from the emperor, think it's worth switching out the perks and using over my current columnus?

[bronze trout]

Also ayyyyy

[tall torrent]

Yea on like 3x the point cost because V7 is a point hungry gun

[finite imp]

You're pretty good
Good
Good
Good

[crude fiber]

Excellent. Waiter, more point tax please

[unique sorrel]

i like the idea of WS getting to instantly fire a shot on swap if theyre holding fire while they press the switch weapon button

[finite imp]

Revolver is dope for john wick style blasting with the knife

[cinder adder]

Yes, that's true, or I had to use melee and fight close to gain some ammo back. But that process takes even longer now.

[white minnow]

(or pick up ammo from the map)

[finite imp]

Mid Melee combo smack quick m1 the nearest dome, hit q again

Q**

Pair this with ws and always prepared

Infinite deity of death

[crude fiber]

Oh that'd be something I guess. Melee kills on special/elites give ammo

[tall torrent]

My suggestion is to learn material spawns and get to ammo faster

I think as long as ur not constantly playing with gun psyker / gun ogryn then revolver ammo isn’t anywhere close to being gutted rn

[crude fiber]

Like your quickly looting them after kill

[tall torrent]

Not to mention revolver gains a pretty good amount of shots back with small pickups

[bitter turtle]

as long as its a universal mechanic and not some stupid aura we are obligated to take then sure

[tall torrent]

Base is 8 I think

With +25% ammo it’s 10

[cinder adder]

I know all the material spawns front to back. May not get there before a random swipes it when others need lol

[crude fiber]

True, I forgot that's the whole problem with it

[tall torrent]

That’s a random teammate problem, not a game balance problem then

[white minnow]

where are you getting games where teammates are actually looting

i would like to live at where you do

[cinder adder]

I always loot

[tall torrent]

Gain 0.2% ammo on melee weakspot specialist/elite kill

Universal across all classes, smth like that

And change survivalist out for smth cool like
+15% stamina regen rate for AIC

(I would still go that route)

[crude fiber]

What if they separated blitz, auras, and keystones like off to the side that you could spec into them freely but kept the skill trees the same otherwise? Would open up build diversity me thinks.

[tall torrent]

Well idk abt u but assail being able to pair with psykinetic’s aura (5% CDR for AIC when u kill special/elite) seems gamebreaking

[crude fiber]

Which was that again?

[cinder adder]

That would be something

[somber axle]

ok hear me out add a loot goblin type enemy that spawns in randomly with patrols and as soon as the players engage it runs to the nearest spawn gate to try to escape and if you kill it, it drops a medkit or ammo crate and you only see maybe 1-2 per level at most
make it a ratling sniper as part of Wolfer's group and they try to snipe the group if they're at a distance but flee if someone gets close to engage or if someone begins shooting at them but it isn't a 1HKO

[tall torrent]

Too much effort designing a new enemy

[somber axle]

I know but it would be really funny LMFAO

[cinder adder]

PACK RATS

[somber axle]

tease ratling sniper since release

put it in game

it's not a new class

just a new enemy

[somber axle]

[tall torrent]

5% CDR for AIC when u kill special/elite

No internal CD

Kill 6 specials for instant 30% CDR

[crude fiber]

No kidding their latest new enemy is just a reskin of the bomber

[tall torrent]

Now combine that with assail

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s a reskin I genuinely think he changes combat flow quite a bit

Mainly pox gas’ buff effect for enemies

Having multiple mutants/hounds charge at u with +40% speed is something

[cinder adder]

That pox gas covers a huge fucking area

Thank goodness it doesn't do serious damage

[crude fiber]

I suppose, they could make so burning enemies from scab bomber now light you on fire for 1 tick of burn damage

[tall torrent]

Also the 2.5x hitmass makes hordes so much more difficult to deal with

[crude fiber]

The speed boosted mutants have scared me a few time ngl

[cinder adder]

Are you suggesting flaming Pox Walkers?

[tall torrent]

Like, he genuinely makes u not want to be anywhere near his gas and he’s much quieter than scab bomber

Scab bomber glows red and makes lots of noise

Tox bomber doesn’t

[crude fiber]

I mean 👀

[tall torrent]

Yea
Lore-accurate post-plague-war nurgle faction

[crude fiber]

Flaming mutant grabs you and gibs you from full health

[cinder adder]

Only if when they hit us our characters make the Minecraft burning "oof"

[crude fiber]

Love getting disabled into fire

[tall torrent]

U should see how fast flamers and trappers move when buffed by gas

[crude fiber]

No I shouldn't

[tall torrent]

And make that combo with mutant/hound spam

[somber axle]

the funniest mutie grab I've ever taken was being grabbed, pounded into the floor and then throw toward an explosive barrel that a team mate accidentally set off sending me flying over the railing to my instant death

one of my fav clown deaths

[cinder adder]

Pinballed

[tall torrent]

Pox bomber also has a lot more health than scab bomber

You in fact cannot 1 shot bodyshot him with plasma unless u build +unarmored

[crude fiber]

I've been thrown from 1 mutant into the loving arms of another

[winter grove]

Sackrat

[dusty nacelle]

Extremely old clip but i'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the muties that are on your team

Saves me from taking poxburster damage and then throws me to a safe spot where i can take my time and kill poxwalkers

[somber axle]

tbh as much as it'd be fun to see this new enemy type I'm really just in it for how funny it'd be to see ratling sniper make it into the game as an enemy and not a new class after all the teasing

would people be upset? yeah

would it be funny? definitely LOL

[cinder adder]

Why not both?

[somber axle]

ideally both

but we may be a year away from maybe seeing either thing happen tbh

if they ever do

[somber axle]

GET DOWN MISTER PRESIDENT

[tall torrent]

Yk what would be rly cool

Sefoni mentions someone has set up shop in the deep hive

What if we get a random NPC black market vendor encounter during missions

Where u can trade stuff in (diamantine, ammo, stims) for resources

[winter grove]

Skitarii vs Ratling enjoyers fight when

[cinder adder]

Trading in the plasteel/diamantine you've collected in the mission for buffs/new materials/ammo etc

[tall torrent]

And make it totally random

Not a set encounter

He can just not show up

Have him be a scavenger type of black market guy

It’d be cool both lore-wise and gameplay-wise

More decision with resource management

[cinder adder]

That kind of mystique is certainly missed from VT2

[tall torrent]

In-mission random NPC encounter seems super cool to me

[cinder adder]

I would like actual reasons to collect scripts and grims

[tall torrent]

Sefoni also mentions a Magos Biologis wandering the deep hives

What if we get to meet him randomly and he gives us some sort of side quest

For extra rewards at the end

[cinder adder]

They have so much hints and nods to the greater 40k setting. I just want that Genestealer Cult infested sister Hive City

[bitter turtle]

75 stamina curios are still fake right

[somber axle]

Ooo like Wyrmwood Quartermaster setting up shop somewhere in a map alley and if you've got spare plasteel/diamantine you can buy off an ammo tins, stims, etc.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cumpleaños-feliz-gif-22990810

[tall torrent]

yea

[bitter turtle]

fucking

fatshark

oh well

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

Wyrmwood Agents helping supply rejects

it would be SO COOL

plus it might give people a reason to pick up diamantine at last LMFAO

so many people skip over it because they have thousands more diamantine than they'll ever need

[bitter turtle]

i still pick up diamantinne

itll be worth

someday

trust

[somber axle]

I do too but I see lots of people in quickplay turn their noses up at it

[tall torrent]

I like this pose

[somber axle]

it's a very good pose

[last parcel]

lets me see your neck very well

mmmmm

[tall torrent]

I’d rather not have a neckguard when 99% neckguards in this game clip horribly with cloth collars

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tongue-kiss-monkey-lick-camera-lick-gif-15689345

[crude fiber]

Saw someone open a double crate with 2 large plasteel in it, ping them both and walk away. Ngl I blocked them, I don't want to play with people like that

[last parcel]

a heretic only rivalled by the warmaster

[crude fiber]

how many times, if at all, have yall been kicked from a game before? Only happened once to me in 1500 hours and i dont even know why

[bitter turtle]

not even once

i didnt even know it was a function

until other people mentioned it

[somber axle]

never been kicked

at most if we're at the little lobby pre-match waiting for players and someone sees I'm a recon user they leave (I assume that's why they join in and then leave before the match starts LMFAO)

that's happened a few times

but idk why they left for sure

[vale ledge]

Did. . .Is this a decent recon las. . .?

Is there hope. . .?

The Damage might be shite but. . .

I know the perks will be changed but

Please tell me this Lasgun has hope

[winter grove]

No

[last parcel]

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

[vale ledge]

Piss off.

Anyways how are you all today :>

[winter grove]

Abandon hope all ye who enter here

[winter grove]

Remember, blue lasgun is the best one you can grab

[crude fiber]

tried the brown one right before scavenger nerf and it was pretty good as far as recons go

[winter grove]

Those two have some kind of hope

Mk2 is dead