veteran-class

[agile forge]

Deathspitter

[faint beacon]

Explains why I had a shit ton of people say nice roll to my Columnus when I had no clue of it being well

so fucking strong lmao

[drowsy trout]

so, hmm blessing recomendations on the MkV?

[agile forge]

(Better than it looks because it stacks 5 times, but also worse than it looks because close range is 8m)

[drowsy trout]

wait I see

[faint beacon]

well do you want to kill everything or have more Survivability

[agile forge]

See my messages

[drowsy trout]

well i upgraded one and got this sooo

[somber axle]

that's pretty solid

[slate hawk]

Ye

[somber axle]

swap Raking Fire to Dum Dum imo

[agile forge]

Probably have to keep crit chance

[somber axle]

yeah

[junior needle]

Crit chance isn't the worst take

[agile forge]

But it'll do

[faint beacon]

Found it, first ever MkV Roll when I was like level 32 at most on vet lmao

[somber axle]

swap stam to flak I think

[junior needle]

on the ciag at least

[agile forge]

CIAG has great crit modifiers and a long crit string

[somber axle]

yeah that's almost perfect

[faint beacon]

That explains why I had a shit ton of people saying nice roll

and I was just clueless as to what they were saying

lmao

[drowsy trout]

I...I dont have any dumdum

[agile forge]

Fire Frenzy is even flexible

[agile forge]

Any rank will do

[drowsy trout]

no like, none in any rank xD

[faint beacon]

DumDum rapidly racks up

so i will admit

2-4

[agile forge]

I mean, even check brunt's shop for a rank 2

[faint beacon]

is good no matter what

[drowsy trout]

idk how

[somber axle]

don't worry the Columnus Infantry Autogun is so strong right now that people have run grey weapons through Auric Damnation and beat the game with it and the Vets in that run used the Columnus Infantry Autogun

it's that strong

[agile forge]

Remember you can get it from any infantry autogun on any character

[faint beacon]

Its the S+ tier dare I say it

[somber axle]

you could literally run with zero talents, no perks or blessings on a grey CIAG and still kill everything ever

[agile forge]

So check your psyker and zealot too

[somber axle]

even an ok CIAG is still S tier compared to any other weapon

[agile forge]

Only thing CIAG doesn't kill efficiently is crushers

And I guess the Flak modifier isn't great, but it's good enough

Even the basic 10% rending talent is enough to make it good on flak

[faint beacon]

Exact reason why I've been using other weapons

allows me to learn Veteran's Strengths and Weaknesses far more

[agile forge]

See, I like using CIAG but I run it in more unstable builds

Like ES/MF/Deadshot

[somber axle]

honestly same it's a very strong weapon and definitely worth trying for anyone new who hasn't seen it yet but personally I don't like how strong it is

[faint beacon]

I'd say Onslaught Talent would help but you're trading a lot of ammo to kill a crusher

[somber axle]

just THE most overpowered gun in the game

[slow spade]

Columnus needs a buff

[somber axle]

better than revolver and plasma imo

especially after surv aura nerf

[junior needle]

95% ish modifier on flak at close range

[slow spade]

No damage dropoff pls

[drowsy trout]

man I am poor, I am stuck with these blessings for now

[frank monolith]

whats a ciag

[agile forge]

Yeah, just take a power sword 6 or a shovel 7 to deal with them

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun

[junior needle]

It just has egregiously big modifiers to unyielding and maniac

[agile forge]

Columnus Infantry Autogun Mark V

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1230513154660765797/image.png?ex=663397ad&is=662122ad&hm=567c87dc7cd340bb6d242d22c6ccdda37aabe2d3026c99468e60b826dd7a37a4&

like this

[faint beacon]

Bad Blessings basically mean nothing on the CIAG, so you're automatically good for now, just when you get a T3-4 Blessing it instantly becomes cake walk lmao

[somber axle]

if you haven't played with the CIAG yet take her for a spin and enjoy

[faint beacon]

Still baffled that was my first CIAG I got at Level 30 as a fresh full level vet

lmao

[agile forge]

Just remember to check shops on all 3 non-ogryn

[somber axle]

the CIAG is so good that Gun Psykers and Zealots even use her

[junior needle]

Dumdum is still the most important piece

[drowsy trout]

well right now money is the issue xP

[junior needle]

But it has more leeway than other weapons

[agile forge]

It's specifically great on psyker imo

[somber axle]

oh yes absolutely

[agile forge]

Finesse bonuses up the wazzoo

[somber axle]

I use the CIAG on my Gunker

[faint beacon]

My gun Psyker uses it and has Outdamaged Zealots

its very- very stupid

[somber axle]

really the only time I use the CIAG tbh

[agile forge]

Which is a special organ psykers have

[faint beacon]

Scriers Gaze + CIAG my beloved

[drowsy trout]

time to blast some heretics with this thing

[somber axle]

Scriers Gaze and Macabian Dueling Sword IV for me

[stiff cipher]

Someone showed me an auto gun class and I’ve used it ever since it’s not extremely overpowered but it’s fun when hordes show up

[somber axle]

I love hitting Scriers and W+M1 through a horde cleaving down everything so fast with light swing spam or using heavy pokes to cut down an entire train of Crushers tbh

Scriers and CIAG for burning Plogryns/Burgles/Chaos Spawns though

[junior needle]

Not exactly hard to outdamage zealots

[drowsy trout]

yeh I saw rank one on my psyker so gonna buy that

[midnight totem]

Me grabbing fire team because it let's my build hit one shot headshots with my power sword on shotgunners, and unpowered one shot pushstab headshots on pox hounds

[agile forge]

Depends on the build!

[faint beacon]

Blaze Force V Sword I believe it is?

[somber axle]

yes exactly that's a case of fire team aura working perfectly

[faint beacon]

Basically Psword for Psyker

[agile forge]

Fury of the Faithful is crazy

[faint beacon]

thats what I use

[somber axle]

for that comment I'm talking about Macabian Dueling Sword IV tbh

[agile forge]

It's an option for gunker certainly, I used to use it and it's good

But DS4 feels way better imo

[somber axle]

I use Rampage to boost my general horde clear and Uncanny to poke down heads ASAP

[agile forge]

DD/SG pushes its horde clear way up

[somber axle]

Blaze Force Sword is good too tbh

[agile forge]

And it deals with Crushers and maulers way better

[faint beacon]

Honestly I do have Slaughterer IV on it and my god does it fly through hordes like a knife through butter

[agile forge]

Illisi is #2 imo, DS4 #1 for gunker

[somber axle]

I'm just addicted to how good it feels to use Macabian Dueling Sword IV for mobility's sake on Psyker

it's just such a good weapon moveset and the speed feels fantastic

the weapon special being able to interrupt Ragers during their attack animations is icing on the cake

[agile forge]

Either works well, and personal feeling beats the actual difference

[somber axle]

just keep poking Rager heads

never stop

[faint beacon]

I oughta try to DS4 on my Gunker sometime

[somber axle]

only time I have no fear running into melee against a Rager 1v1

[faint beacon]

but for now the sword I currently have

[somber axle]

well that and when I run Catachan parry sword on Vet

[agile forge]

Other nice thing of DS4 is that it doesn't whisper lies into your ear

"Go on, activate me under SG"

"You won't explode probably :) "

[somber axle]

yeah but the quell animation for swords is flashing yourself an OK symbol with your fingers

[midnight totem]

Well yeah

They're like "I'm playing. I'm okay. I'm okay

[stiff cipher]

Y’all know which auto gun is better rn

[somber axle]

Psyker has to tell themselves they're going to be ok

but they can't because the whispers are louder

so they do it with their fingers

[midnight totem]

I can relate

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun and it's not even close

unless you're talking about Braced or Headhunter specific but if you mean any autogun then CIAG for sure

[stiff cipher]

Ah ok nvm then I’m set

[agile forge]

CIAG by miiiiiles

[stiff cipher]

I am however gonna try and get better roles on mine

[midnight totem]

Headhunter autos, I'd say the vraks 3 and 8 are tied for best

Braced autos, far away the agripp

[agile forge]

Isn't the 7 the most favoured now?

[faint beacon]

Still think its funny that one of my best Headhunters is the most disliked variant of it

personally I enjoy it

[midnight totem]

7? I thought the numeral was 8

[drowsy trout]

very nice

[midnight totem]

That's the single shot right?

[faint beacon]

Can't recall what Number it was but its the 2 round burst

Single Shot which is 7 is the most liked, second being 3 which is the 3 round burst iirc

[stiff cipher]

Point & click

[midnight totem]

Ah. Dunno. Did it get buffed?

[drowsy trout]

is it a mod to rename the weapon

[faint beacon]

Fuck no lmao, I just got really good rolls on the board with it thus its fun to use

[somber axle]

That's a very nice gun

[stiff cipher]

My only gripe with my current auto gun is that it’s locked blessing is super not useful to me

[midnight totem]

I want to like the two round burst headhunter and Ive made it work

[agile forge]

I think single shot is 7

2 round is Agripinaa 9 maybe?

3 round is vraks 3

[faint beacon]

Okay the 9 is what im using

literally no one speaks of it

[midnight totem]

But it's always had more recoil then I would've liked

[somber axle]

3 is 3 is the easiest way to remember

Vraks 3 is not a big fan of the government 3 on 3 on 3

[faint beacon]

Wait seriously? the 9 has harder recoil?

I never noticed but I massively noticed with the 3

[midnight totem]

It has stranger recoil. The gun can jump all over the place if you don't properly pace the bursts

Even with max stability

[faint beacon]

That and probably cause I have fucking Max Stability on my 9

that might be another reason

[midnight totem]

My vraks 3 only does a little less damage

[faint beacon]

LET ME SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE OF ATOMA

LET ME SPEAK

[midnight totem]

But I can magdump with weapon specialist ontop of that, and still break a line of heads

[arctic rampart]

Only a heretic would say that!

[faint beacon]

Honestly been noticing how the 9 doesn't fly through ammo as much as the 3

[hollow warren]

Question to Helbore experts.

I have a 380 Mk3 with the following stats: damage 79, ammo 78, stopping power 72, stability 75, charge rate 76
perks: +25 vs maniacs and +25 vs unyielding
blessings: No Respite I, Weight of Fire IV

obviously I should replace that lvl 1 blessing with a lvl 4, will Surgical be okay for that?

[faint beacon]

and it helps with the recent Survivalist nerfs

[faint beacon]

Absolutely replace it with Surgical

[midnight totem]

True. None of the headhunters are thirsty for ammo. Except the single shot

[faint beacon]

That would be a really damn good Mk3

if you somehow sneak in your Talent tree Shocktrooper every max charge and aim for a bit fire wont spend ammo either lmao

you'll just have infinite ammo with that gun

[agile forge]

Perfect mark 3 I think

[faint beacon]

But sersiously really damn good roll

[faint beacon]

Also didn't see this earlier but yes

it is

I tend to name mine very dumb names or literally what they're used for

[hollow warren]

still hoping to get a trash weapon with that blessing eventually

[faint beacon]

Exhibit A. my HH 3

[hollow warren]

relatively new to the game, so don't have a lot of blessings unlocked still

[faint beacon]

Literally I kid you not

hold onto your good one right

roll a shit ton of Hellbores

doesn't matter Mk

they all share blessings

and just keep upgrading those throw aways till you get Surgical IV

once you get that you win

Like they can be terrible stats you're solely using them for blessing grinding

[hollow warren]

also got a Mk1 (377) and no idea what to do with it:
damage 76, ammo 67, stopping power 79, stability 76 and charge rate 80

+8% range damage vs specialists
+25% vs unyielding (had a shitty perk so I changed it to this)

no respite IV
Weight of Fire IV

[somber axle]

Last broadcast from the Karnak twins before the Darktide squad appears at their door

[midnight totem]

Ogryn going: I the people of atoma am here!

[faint beacon]

That one is tragically the weaker of the 3 but its still a solid roll with stats, WoF IV though is still great

[midnight totem]

Vet like: you smell like all the people of atoma big man

[hollow warren]

I do like the bayonete stab of the Mk1 more than the downward slash of the Mk3

[agile forge]

+specialists bad, rest good

Also consider the mark 2

Very fast helbore with the good bayonet stab

[faint beacon]

I think the Mk1 and Mk2 is the same with their bayonet slash

or not slash but stab

really good at horde spam

[hollow warren]

oh hey, now my name is red and I can finally post screenshots instead of manually writing down the stats lol

[agile forge]

2 feels perfect for me

[faint beacon]

How I feel

I don't really know what the Mk1 has over the Mk2

[agile forge]

Also take agile engagement with it

[faint beacon]

but I just use the mk3 when I want a hellbore that hits harder

[agile forge]

Because bayonet triggers the melee part of it

[hollow warren]

so this has the potential of being a perfect 550 after I change that blessing to Surgical IV, eh?

[faint beacon]

Honestly even though not many people like Unyeilding

[agile forge]

A perfect 550 lmao

[faint beacon]

you can drop Bosses and Bulwarks quicker

and its a Mk3

[agile forge]

This is pornographic

[faint beacon]

Literally get Surgical IV

and you will make Vet mains

[hollow warren]

I like Unyielding though

[faint beacon]

wish they were you with that

[faint beacon]

Certain builds I love Unyeilding so I respect it

Click on Bulwarks heads and instantly delete them

[agile forge]

I love unyielding when it makes sense

My gunker's CIAG has it

[faint beacon]

Maniacs is just wonderful cause you're dropping some of the more annoying elites and specials quicker

[agile forge]

Because dumpstering bosses in 2 mags is hilarious

[faint beacon]

Ragers and Flamers to name some

Trappers as well

[hollow warren]

and here's the melee I use, though I like the MkXIII chansword more

[agile forge]

Try the chainsword 4 too

Similar hordeclear speed to the 13g but uses heavy attacks

[faint beacon]

Interesting combo there I wont lie but its Def good

[agile forge]

But better single target

[faint beacon]

But I assume thats the "Fuck you crushers I hate you" the melee weapon

[agile forge]

Or the shovel 7, tbh I kinda like it more than power swords

It does fucking everything

[hollow warren]

I don't really like how the chainaxe goes through hordes, but I love how it absolutely chews through elites

[faint beacon]

My child

Ive been unable to replace it for a very long time

but my god do I love it

[agile forge]

Take Thrust over decimator imo

I think mine oneshots crushers

[faint beacon]

You do have a point seeing it can kill Maulers and Crushers quicker

but I do enjoy the

get 2 swings in

and instantly kill hordes

THOUGH

I do have a really bad habit of winding up the Switch Mode Heavy

lmao

So I may as well make one

Unsure if I should use Uncanny with Thrust on it or something else

[tame lodge]

Thrust also helps with heavies against horde, although a little tricky

[agile forge]

Uncanny + Thrust is the meta apparently

[faint beacon]

I'd say with the combo of Maniacs it probably wouldn't really massively do much but I see your point

Cause my Switch mode heavy on head land insta's ragers

[normal spruce]

It's been a long time since I played this game, my vet is level 30, there is 3 builds: Mg Ia, Lasgun VIIa, MK II Plasma, all with MK IV Devils Claw, what kind of build is recommended for these, as all talent trees has been reset, weapon perks seem to be also reset, so which perks are good in general? Sorry for the long question

[agile forge]

According to veteran guide man with the numbers

[agile forge]

Probably wouldn't take devil Claw with 1a lasgun, leaves you vulnerable to Crushers. Unless you use krak I guess.

[normal spruce]

Good to know, will swap it out

[faint beacon]

Also insta's on Mutant headshots but thats if I land it on the head and you already know how difficult that can be with a Mutant at times

[normal spruce]

Would chainsword be a good replacement?

[agile forge]

Chainswords also bad against Crushers tbh

[faint beacon]

Chainsword is a very good Neutral all rounder weapon

[agile forge]

Power Sword 6 and shovel 7 are great for them

Combat blades

[faint beacon]

I'd say unless you're running Cara as a perk and Bloodletter, this is a valid argument

so you kinda have to build towards anti-cara

Knives are great if you run Ruthless backstab?

[agile forge]

Combat axes too, but they tend to be hard to build

[somber axle]

Bloodletter does make it funny on Crushers though

[agile forge]

Uncanny most important part

[faint beacon]

makes it hilarious on Maulers

[agile forge]

Idk about ruthless backstab

[topaz lance]

you can spam light with the IV for hordes too

[faint beacon]

80% rend on backstab IIRC

[agile forge]

But uncanny required, second perk has lots of options

Don't take the one that applies bleed on non-weakspot hits

But most other options are workable iirc

Haymaker only for mark 6 though

Don't take on 3

[faint beacon]

I've always liked the Mk 6 Combat Blade I wont lie

[normal spruce]

Best perk for MG Ia? Currently it has 25% damage against unarmored and 8% crit damage, the blessings are opening salvo 3 and deadly accurate 4

[faint beacon]

The good perks to run usually are

Flak + maniac

[agile forge]

Definitely not crit damage, change that. Not sure what to.

[faint beacon]

Unarmored is alright as a second choice I think

unless that opinion has changed

[agile forge]

Crit damage and weakspot damage are always bad perks

Universally

[normal spruce]

Flak + maniac seems good, ok will change those, since there is 2 perks, I assume you can't change both of them? I don't remember how many perks there used to be, maybe it was the same

[faint beacon]

Honestly if you can change

the blessing to Headhunter as well

if you can

[somber axle]

Change Opening Salvo to Surgical or Headhunter, change crit damage to Flak or Maniac

[faint beacon]

you'd have a good headshot lasgun

that or Surgical

[somber axle]

Headhunter is probably better on the Mg1a tbh

[normal spruce]

Thank you all, will be changing these

[faint beacon]

Honestly yeah

[somber axle]

With how fast it fires

[faint beacon]

Headhunter

Plus you can spam down range more

Just have to simply aim at their heads

the Stability on my current "best" HH 7 makes me so depressed

[velvet edge]

Is a Executioners Stance + Weapons Specialist combo good, or do most people stick with Emperors Call

[stiff cipher]

The names on all your weapons I’ve seen Krak me up

[faint beacon]

Look I could remove all my braincells and name them Like I name my terraria characters

and thats literally the first object that comes into my head

Such as

[somber axle]

With Exe Stance it probably feels ok yeah? But outside of that ouch

[faint beacon]

copper wire

or tinfoil

[stiff cipher]

Catalytic converter

[faint beacon]

This is the one I actually use outside of Exe more

[stiff cipher]

Which one of these swords y’all think is better on one hand ones higher rating lower damage and the other is lower higher damage

[somber axle]

I've never tried that combo tbh so idk

[last parcel]

activating executioner’s stance won’t activate the swap bonus from weapon specialist

you’ll have to swap weapons first before activating ES

[tame lodge]

Last time I checked, Exec didn't proc WS (or something similar) and they sit on opposite sides of the tree

[somber axle]

Stability is such an important stat

Difference between a gun feeling awful and feeling fun

[faint beacon]

Oh Im proud of this one

this one is a pure shitpost

[stiff cipher]

That’s just US WW1 hatred right there

[faint beacon]

Oh it gets better

DB rounds as special

[somber axle]

Is that a Lawbringer or a Kantrael I can't tell

[faint beacon]

that also proc bleed

lmao

hence its name "The Geneva Suggestion"

uniroincally ran that on a few Maelstroms

[somber axle]

Man Stopper and Scattershot are really funny on a Lawbringer special shot for just evaporating an entire crowd of poxwalkers

[faint beacon]

Poxwalker go bye bye

I need to make that

I shockingly haven't yet

I do have a Man Stopper + Flech shotgun

[somber axle]

Imagine that with Weapon Specialist guaranteed crit on swap

[faint beacon]

yes this means I grinded out the perfect perks and stats before hand

[somber axle]

Just have special wide shot pre-loaded

Turn and make a horde vanish

[faint beacon]

Yeah its basically anything infront of me is getting bleed

[tame lodge]

It has no real reason to explode targets, I'm glad it does

[velvet edge]

Yeah just tried it out in the training grounds and that is still correct, have to swap before activating ES, kinda lame. I love WS, and with the ES buff I wanted to see if it would be decent

[faint beacon]

My go to Laspistol for my VOC build

Still trying to roll a better one but im cursed with pure Shit rolls

[stiff cipher]

What in the damn

[somber axle]

WS gives ranged weapon speed, guaranteed first shot crit, reloads a few shots for free and reload speed right?

[faint beacon]

DO NOT question the stupid barrel on it

[last parcel]

it’s 33% crit per stack, so yes with 3 stacks

reloading the shots is a subnode

[somber axle]

Depending on weapon it is probably better to either run Focus Target for the guaranteed bonus damage to hit an important breakpoint or the new buffed Marksman's Focus with Exe Stance

Weapon Specialist and Exe Stance could maybe be funny on like

Shotguns?

[last parcel]

it’s funny on the agri brauto

[stiff cipher]

Which sword need help deciding

[somber axle]

That too

[last parcel]

someone here made a build somewhere

[faint beacon]

Overall reliable Mk13, perks are great, Bloodletter is good though rev could be something else unless you want that extra movement

[stiff cipher]

Movement not my top priority

[faint beacon]

most likely wrath

On the Mk13 you tend to want to run wrath instead of Savage Sweep cause of light spam

[last parcel]

well rev can’t be something else here because of the locks

[stiff cipher]

Ah ok

[stiff cipher]

I shall sacrifice it to the omnissiah for better drops in the future

[faint beacon]

I'd say attempt rolling for a higher roll as well

Flak + Maniac is what you want to gun for perk wise

Carapace you could keep seeing you're running Bloodletter

[stiff cipher]

Yeah I have both it’s just my stripped down blessing on my CIAG kinda mehs it

[junior needle]

Salvo>headhunter for sure

Deadly needs crit to be leveraged

There's a guide in the pins as well for most weapon questions

[pearl granite]

wow, the mk6 psword got nerfed hard...

it's much slower now

[arctic rampart]

yeah mk13 chain sword is super fun cause you spam attacks so fast with finesse https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/chainsword/cadia-mk-xiiig-assault-chainsword primary action vanguard on light if its too fast u can try 4 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/chainsword/cadia-mk-iv-assault-chainsword heavies for hordes but I like 13 more of the two

[stiff cipher]

Thankkkkkkk you

[sinful jacinth]

The weapon specialist penance. It's only on the range trigger right for weakspots?

[hollow ibex]

wdym, they didn't touch the attack speed...

https://tenor.com/view/squiggle-wild-one-balloon-man-dance-gif-12954529

mk 13 chainsword gameplay

[tame lodge]

Don't tell anyone, with the 13, hitting a weakspot with a revved heavy crit absolutely demolishes whatever it is

[arctic rampart]

Feb 21, 2024 https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-17-notes-live-now/91924 Power Sword Special Activation

We have added a second weapon special activation action in the attack chain of the power swords. This new activation allows the player to continue an attack chain if using the weapon special in the middle of one. This mid chain activation was added to allow for a more varied attack pattern even with frequent use of the weapon special.

Munitorum Mk III Power Sword
    The new activation will chain into the second light or heavy attacks. These attacks are very similar to the first light and heavy, just mirrored.
Munitorum Mk VI Power Sword
    The new activation will chain into the second light attack or a new heavy that mirrors the first heavy diagonally down attack.

[stiff cipher]

Took down a chaos beast in 3 hits with the rev

[arctic rampart]

@pearl granite ^ this is why it feels different

[frank monolith]

no one down penance done in pubs

[pearl granite]

no idea what that meant 😄

[drowsy trout]

I know it's the customization mod but my god what is this creature you made

[arctic rampart]

most power sword vets are using weapon specialist which increases melee attack speed and affects dodge distance to make power sword more reasonable. if you want to try the exec stance buffs in the patch recently try a different melee weapon in combination, especially mk13 chain sword, foldable shovels, chain axes, or combat axes are popular

[stiff cipher]

I like to call that the laz pistol artillery carbine

[agile forge]

Eh, idk that I would run power sword with weapon spec but maybe

[arctic rampart]

its the only way to fly.. mescalin.. oops I mean weapon specialist

[agile forge]

I like it to back up my MF build more

[balmy flume]

insert angry Hadron sounds

[tame lodge]

PSword and Plasma, popular pick for WS

[arctic rampart]

does survivalist aura now actually stack? i was noticing in a game with 3 vets running it my ammo was like before

[lavish solar]

I thought it gave you some breakpoints on dreg gunners and shotgunners (maybe?) since they have unarmored heads

[hidden torrent]

Theres a CD on surv now

so I imagine not

[arctic rampart]

yeah but I am proposing the CD is per vet. I might be wrong.

[hollow ibex]

huh

that'd be interesting

would soften the blow if true

[hidden torrent]

I havent noticed it if I'm honest

[arctic rampart]

1 game sample size not big! but i do know ~5-10 games since patch the ammo looks notably thinner otherwise

[somber axle]

If you haven't yet

Do melee build with Chainsword XIIIg

[hidden torrent]

I havent noticed a CD per vet

It feels global

but it could just be timing

[somber axle]

It gets very funny with the 10% attack speed increase, Desperado, Reciprocity and Weapon Specialist

[tall torrent]

Because it’s not there

[somber axle]

You will feel like a Zealot

[tall torrent]

That’s his proposal to change it to per person

[balmy flume]

I would say PSword is a solid pick even without using WS, so don’t feel locked in.

[last parcel]

lawnmower vet lol

[lavish solar]

Been playing that withXIIIg and laspistol, really is a blast

[hidden torrent]

I'm not a survivalist enjoyer as is so this doesnt effect me

[arctic rampart]

thats what I do on my zealot, martyr + chain sword + fast laspistol

then you pop a blue stim and hit F and shoot the pistol like insanely fast

[deft bobcat]

So, bolter with cavalcade t3, pinning fire t3, +8% ranged vs spec t3 and +20% dmg vs unarmored, good or ok?

[lavish solar]

F for the poor mouse lmb

[tall torrent]

Ideally u want flak + maniac/unyielding for perks

[deft bobcat]

How the perks?

[arctic rampart]

I actually installed auto swing just for the pistol in this situation @lavish solar .. my fucking finger was falling off

[tall torrent]

And for veteran, surgical is generally a better pick than cavalcade

[tall torrent]

I don’t think unarmored or specialist is that useful on boltgun

[lavish solar]

lmao that’s really nice, I might also do that some time

[deft bobcat]

Dang, cuz the stats are pretty good. 68% dmg, 78% reload, 76% collat, 70% stabil and 75% mobility

[somber axle]

Yes and I think it might be my second fav playstyle on Vet just behind Recon now

It's so fun

[somber axle]

I use Zarona II Revolver because sometimes I just really don't feel like meleeing a rager, crusher or mauler but that's also a really good weapon

[lavish solar]

I have… prejudice against the Zarona

Mainly because I can’t aim for shit

[somber axle]

I've been running melee Vet Chainsword XIIIg with smoke grenades and just shredding shooters when they run into melee

[lavish solar]

But it’s a great gun

[somber axle]

I also use Agripina Shotgun for the slug because pre-loading the slug, getting Weapon Specialist stacks and then swapping to it for a guaranteed crit is very funny and it can still effectively bully/kill Crushers, Flak Ragers and Maulers

I just always need an answer for anything I fight because if a build lacks the kill potential for one target I will feel it if I run into a quickplay squad falls over and I have to solo clutch against everything

[lavish solar]

Yeah that sounds awesome, guaranteed crit with slug does amazing damage

[somber axle]

Gotta be prepared to fight anything and everything always

[lavish solar]

True

[lucid ginkgo]

Is there any advice for shotgun and exestance? Constantly reload for slug gonna be tedious im afraid

[arctic rampart]

the fast laspistol is a fun alternative. it has finesse on it. I didn't test it on vet but I really like it on my zealot. usually ghost one of the perks so I can ADS and mow down gunners and maniacs

@lucid ginkgo why use wanna be single shot plasma shotgun when you can use the plasma?

its a fun weapon for a run or two but then you think.. why load a special slug to do what plasma does by default?

[faint beacon]

My child thank you very much, you may hate him but I like him

even though I seriously should completely try to overhaul its look

[lucid ginkgo]

I feel contempt against it, don't like how it works and don't feel any impact on hit from it

[tall torrent]

Slug doesn’t require additional buildcraft to one shot high priority enemies, and can open bulwarks from front

I’m not a fan of it but saying it’s entirely inferior is also incorrect

[grand perch]

you dont need to be using slug exclusively, you can easily oneshot a lot of the common enemies with headshots, even at range

[wanton dawn]

Btw, how is shotgun after surv nerf ?

[arctic rampart]

whenever I try the shotguns I get disappointed. in what way are they better? they just feel like weak weapons to me.

I do like the ADS speed and the ADS itself of shotguns is fun. and they have medium range. but the actual power of them to bring down especially important enemies like crusher bulwark is lacking. they are fine vs maniacs, but really what isn't?

[pearl granite]

yeah they are weak

[agile forge]

I like them a little bit on Zealot but Zarona is too good

I would consider them for WS vet builds maybe

[pearl granite]

I do have a weapon specialist vet build using kantrael shotgun. can finish mael and all, but the damage and amount of kill gonna disappoint you 🤣

[arctic rampart]

I just got to 500 hours, mostly mix zealot & vet. I'm guessing if one plays many more you got to handicap yourself with stupid builds and combinations just to make it interesting

[last sparrow]

What stats are important on the new Chain Axe? is Shredder really important or is this a solid axe?

[tall torrent]

Shredder is important for some 1 shot breakpoints

[tame lodge]

They pack a punch up close, good impact, dot with the Kant, LB is a good jack of all trades with the extra horde clear and suppression from special shot, Agri has faster RoF with the massive single target damage from special, I might be missing some stuff but eh

[arctic rampart]

mobility 60% is the dump stat on chain axe 4? I can't remember if this one has ability to go lower than 60 or if it has dodge count lessen

[tall torrent]

51% or higher

[arctic rampart]

Shredder Measure of a weapon's damage while its Special Action is active. -- so depends on if you use special a lot

[tame lodge]

While shredder is important, a weakspot revved heavy with this one has 5 ticks of damage

[junior needle]

Some attacks like the 4 chainaxes lights are affected by shred due to digging into the target

But this is very rare

It might do it natively for the heavies on that one

[arctic rampart]

oh yeah, when you F up and light the horde and it gets stuck and you're like awww shhht

[junior needle]

You can dodge out of bite attacks now

It used to be quite bad

[arctic rampart]

chain axe 4 is a weapon with a lot of potential.. it does so much damage but its sooo quirky

[tame lodge]

Yup

The camera kidnap was unbearable

Not to mention the barrels

[wanton dawn]

The "problem" with the advantage listing is that it fail to hold up to meta gun. Some of which have the exact same description

[quick seal]

i was reading about veteran weapons and it was said that plasma is one of the best. Is that still a pervailing opinion/has the meta been updated

[wanton dawn]

Yes/lower tier weapon got worse

[tame lodge]

I do agree with this

Which sucks

[quick seal]

Mostly, the low tier weapons I was reading about was shotguns. So shotguns are worse and the plasma and autogun are still the "best'?

[tame lodge]

Just never charge it and see why

[quick seal]

I've yet to acquire one so I thought I'd ask on the perevailing sentiment before I do so

I'd like to get one now

Is the venting thing gimicky? or is it not a big issue

[wanton dawn]

Worse ammo eco without compensation accross the board has higher impact on weapon that were already struggling

In other word, meta is reinforced

Exception: lasgun due to shocktropper

[tame lodge]

It only explodes with charged shots

[quick seal]

ok dang I was already struggling with ammo (I was using the starting weapons) but I think plasma will do well. Because I heard it was mostly one-shotting stuff so it should be ammo effective

[quick seal]

so basically i can spam uncharged shots with no downsides?

[wanton dawn]

Charge shot is bait. Never use it, youll be better

Charge shot has worse ammo eco, worse dps, and explode

[tame lodge]

It will auto vent a small percentage once you hit max heat

[hoary horizon]

Funny boom

[glass python]

whats the best autogun atm?

[tame lodge]

It still hurts your toughness but that's not really an issue

[wanton dawn]

No Ulgo, put down the boomstick

[wanton dawn]

Ciag or agri brauto probably

Not same gameplay

[tame lodge]

Unless you're on low toughness and hp

[grand perch]

just lost my 8-wins without dying streak to a stray assail shard hitting a hidden barrel, catapulting me off a ledge

no fault of the psyker but damn

[quick seal]

basically i've seen, people who use voice, they just have lots of +toughness from the perk tree or reliquaries. So I think this is a path i'd like to go down. Stack lots of toughness, and just use voice every 45 seconds/whenever it's depleted

[wanton dawn]

Worse enemy is teammates

[quick seal]

I've only ever seen people use hip fire on plasma

is this a thing? Or is it like, aiming down sights is unnecessary? Plasma already has good hip-fire accuracy? Or the iron sights are ugly or hard to aim with?

what is the reasoning for it

[wanton dawn]

You only have hipfire

[hoary horizon]

Oki

[quick seal]

ohhhhhh

what is right click then?

[wanton dawn]

Good lad. Heres some chocolate instead

[balmy flume]

You might find the reticle a pit off putting initially, since it doesn’t have a centre dot.
But you have to remember it shows the radius of the actual shot.
The projectile itself is AOE.

[tame lodge]

Charge

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/chocolate-kiss-gif-26291282

[quick seal]

Ohhhhhhhh

[quick seal]

is there an increase hip fire % mod for the plasma gun that you can roll? Or is the default reticle all you get.

[wanton dawn]

I think i had a lapse in judgment

[balmy flume]

Reticle always stay the same AFAIK, not sure about rate of fire mods.

[faint beacon]

No worries I just got revived into a group of poxbursters so I got insta-killed lmao

[tame lodge]

It's like a bracing animation for you
But an ads for your teammates

[quick seal]

projectile is AOE as in, it's a big plasma ball that hits everything that touches the ball? So the AOE is inherent in that it can hit collats, it can hit multiple targets at once. Not that it's AOE in the traditional sense, like a shell that explodes in an AOE effect. Am I understanding it correctly?

OK very excited for level 16. Plasma sounds fun

[wanton dawn]

Projectile is hitscan but it can cleave 6 maulers worth of mass (not carapace though)

[faint beacon]

Aim at their chests seeing its flak and it'll cleave through

[wanton dawn]

Charged cleave 200% more but not worth

[tall torrent]

plasma has no first person ADS (but 3rd person has)

[honest drift]

How do they consistently fuck up the pauldrons on vet armor, but not the other classes? Are they using a different sweat shop just for vet skins?

[hoary horizon]

Need build for infiltrating using shovel

[stiff cipher]

Wym

[hoary horizon]

Not bendable shovel

[faint beacon]

SIM Shovel?

[hoary horizon]

Yes want to stealth if surounded so can keep wacking!

[faint beacon]

The end all be all for that Shovel in specific is Skullcrusher + Uncanny, Though you could do Decimator if you prefer the snowball damage ramp up off hordes

however if you're using it like a One hit wonder type weapon I'd suggest the Folding ones with Thrust

unsure if limbsplitter would even help but thats super niche

[hoary horizon]

Not one hit kill. Not into that want more fun!

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher + Uncanny, I typically run Deci + uncanny and have hell of a blast cleaving through hordes with a shovel

For Perks Usually Flak + Maniac as the go too's

[sinful jacinth]

Did anyone get the new skin?

[honest drift]

The vet aquila skins are low quality. They completely flopped with the Krieg skin. The Elysia skin would be good if not for the too wide and almost floating shoulder armor.

what is that protecting? the tip of his shoulder?

[stiff cipher]

Ah yeah the kreig fit is atrocious the pants look like a malnourished child’s legs in their fathers over coat

[hoary horizon]

What the blessings look like?

[stiff cipher]

The trench coat is nice tho

[faint beacon]

Currently not in game but I'll toss you the images of what they look like

[hoary horizon]

Thanking yoy!

[stiff cipher]

Also tbf the Elysian are airborne so their armor is minimal

[woven vigil]

Vetbros, which one should I stick with and put the other T4 blessing on? I know Headhunter + Deadly Accurate is apparently the one to go, so I can choose only one, while the other gets scrapped for the blessing

[hoary horizon]

Will name shape of rock after you!

Rectangle un will be called Gale!

[hoary horizon]

[faint beacon]

Honeslty im eyeing the first one just cause of the perk combo

If you can stomach the slightly less ammo

thats a decent roll

[woven vigil]

yeah I was leaning towards that one as well. Plus I'll probably use it on my shooty Vet who will have the ammo shortage taken care of, sort of

[faint beacon]

Maniac + Flak is just really damn good to run

[faint beacon]

I suppose i should ask if you're critting every so often to maybe around 50% of the time

if yes try to get Shocktrooper in there

as a talent

you'll save more ammo

[woven vigil]

will do

thanks

[faint beacon]

Yeah np

Actually totally stick to your first one just cause of the Damage and Stab being at 79/80

Thats actually damn good if we disregard ammo

[median moss]

Vet penance armour for yelling your toughness back looks great. Until you want to bend your elbow.

[lavish solar]

How important is stability on the MGIa actually?

Been using one with like lower 60s stability and it still feels okay (less muzzle jump would be great but it still is accurate enough imo)

[junior needle]

The stability stat basically does nothing on infantry lasguns currently

They bounce a ton regardless even at 80%

[lavish solar]

True but on the other hand mgIa’s cursor drops back into its original place basically as fast as you shoot so even with low stability I feel like it’s just more visual recoil and you still get a rock solid point of aim

[hollow warren]

solution: don't bent your elbow

[junior needle]

1a is strangely better in that regard, despite also being the highest dps and generally best variant

But the egregious bouncing is severely annoying for me

[lavish solar]

Agreed

On a completely separate note, any recommended melee weapons to accompany a Lucius? (Apart from shovel)

[balmy flume]

Power Sword

Then again that is a really obvious recommendation…

[lavish solar]

Yeah, ran it for a while and it absolutely slaps

Only bad thing I can say about it is that the PS needs activation and the Lucius has a very long swap animation, so if I get jumped on it’s

[junior needle]

Anything that clears chaffe good works because the lucius can handle all hard targets

[lavish solar]

Ummmmm

Suboptimal

[balmy flume]

Fair point

[junior needle]

The 13g is extremely simple and good chaffe clear

you just light spam

[lavish solar]

True, been experimenting with things and the 13g feels great

[junior needle]

You need wrath and either shred or rampage

[lavish solar]

Also recently I ran Rashad which also felt pretty good

Attack speed is a bit slow tho (

[lavish solar]

hmmmmm so wrath for cleave and spread/rampage for damage?

[junior needle]

Yes, it needs wrath especially if you want to run rampage

Rampage also gives power currently despite the description

Chainswords have a unique benefit with crits where their crit damage doesn't fall off on cleaved targets

Specifically the crit portion of their damage

In my testing rampage was a bit faster by a few seconds on 20 scab bruisers

But that may change on softer chaffe

[frank cove]

Rashad is the answer. Brutal Momentum + Unarmoured and you’re good to go. Preferably Headtaker and Unyeilding/Crit Chance if you can get all 4 slots ideal.

[lavish solar]

I have BM and headtaker, sadly can’t get unarmored just yet and I’m really feeling it with dreg gunners

[frank cove]

Yeah, I know that feeling.

[lavish solar]

Thanks, any advice on bloodletter? imo at tier 4 it’s like 14 stacks or something which sounds really strong

[radiant chasm]

no crit chance

why crit chance your rashad

25% flak for dreg bruisers

[junior needle]

If you're already taking a helbore it becomes unnecessary

Also comes at the cost of your clear

[lavish solar]

That’s fair

[frank cove]

Depends on your skill build, but no other damage type (aside from unarmoured) changes break points. I’d rather have unyielding.

[junior needle]

Flak is only skippable with an amount of melee juice depending on your roll, and yes you want/need headtaker depending

[frank cove]

Yeah, I should clarify that I’m talking about on an ideal weapon; near max damage, pen, finesse, and first target.

[tall torrent]

carapace, flak, elite all change breakpoints lol

most important are BM, Headtaker and Unarmored

2nd perk is between carapace, flak and elite

[frank cove]

Interesting. I could be wrong; I’d have to go back and look at it. Thanks for the correction.

[urban steppe]

hopefully you cant see that details while doing missions

[tall torrent]

essentially, if u don't have flak, u need some extra melee dmg talents to reach dreg bruiser 1HS

for 2 point cost, u can grab 10% melee dmg

this combines with elite can reach 1hs on both shotgunners

a bit finnicky with rolls but it's doable

carapace, in conjunction with 10% melee, can hit 3 heavy weakspot vs crusher & mauler

[frank cove]

Yeah, I suppose I’m not thinking about a build that combines with Helbore.

[tall torrent]

that's a big dps boost

and flak enables 1hs dreg bruiser without melee dmg investment

so a bit better point economy

[upper nimbus]

I want to optimize this Hellbore for heavy armored enemies. I dont have all the blessings unlocked for the mkIII, which should i swap surgical I for?

[outer wolf]

Is ruthless + uncanny stupid if they go together?

[tall torrent]

Falter is really bad
HB3 really requires Weight of Fire + Surgical

[tall torrent]

yes, u only need uncanny

[somber axle]

Someone did this to calculate 1HKO potential on the Mk III

[low apex]

yaha this is borderline unsalvageable

[somber axle]

It may not help since your Stopping Power is lower but it means you'll need more to compensate

[upper nimbus]

ffs

I cant win

[somber axle]

You'll still definitely have 2 shot potential on Crushers

But 1HKO will be harder to hit

[low apex]

If it makes you feel better you dont really need anything better than an okay weapon to perform at high difficulties if you're an alright player

[somber axle]

You can probably still get 1HKO Crushers with your Mk III if you use everything

[low apex]

(usually) your gear isnt why you lost the run

[somber axle]

Superiority Complex, Rending Strikes, Bring It Down, Exe Stance, Marksman, Precision Strikes, Focus Target with 8 stacks node, your 25% Cara and maybe Kill Zone though idk if that last one is necessary

I think you're still within 1 tap potential though

[upper nimbus]

ugh

[somber axle]

The lower stopping power just means you may need more for it

[upper nimbus]

back to the fucking grind then

[somber axle]

Good luck

[junior needle]

Ruthless backstab? They can function together but rending has diminishing returns over 100% and it’s not a terribly functional blessing apart from party trick one shots on crushers from behind

You’re better off with uncanny and something else

[lavish solar]

So Unarmored is actually more important than flak? Thought it was the other way around, interesting

[outer wolf]

Makes sense, yeah. Will go Uncanny + flesh tearer

[junior needle]

Flesh tester is not quite as good of an option on vet compared to zealot, fair warning

[tall torrent]

yes
because combat axe has higher ADM vs flak than unarmored

[regal aurora]

92nd power sword, still no power cycler IV

[lavish solar]

Hmmmmm I’ll switch perks around later, thanks!

Also for Helbore mk2 what are your preferred blessing choices? (I mainly use mk1 but have a pretty good base roll mk2 that I can’t seem to get to work, currently it has weight of fire locked in and no respite)

Not sure if no respite does anything on it but with its charged ROF so high I figured surgical would be less beneficial

[agile forge]

Weight of Fire less good for mark 2 than the others

It charges so fast

[lavish solar]

Fair enough

[tall torrent]

ur still getting around 1~2 stacks of surgical between shots

unless u don't bother aiming for headshots

[agile forge]

I was disputing WoF, not surgical

[lavish solar]

But it’s a percentage increase so I think it’s alright

[tall torrent]

yes, max WoF stacks

still 1~2 stacks of surgical

WoF is still the highest dps benefactor

no respite only helps vs enemies u don't 1 hit kill, and don't change breakpoints much

[agile forge]

You told me not to take WoF a couple of weeks ago lmao

[lavish solar]

So surgical+ weight of fire it is?

[agile forge]

Oh well, I can still swap it back on

[tall torrent]

??
I always said WoF + Surgical are best but in HB2's case if ur gonna meme with bayonet, no respite isn't horrible

[agile forge]

Ah fair enough

[tall torrent]

for all 3 helbores

[lavish solar]

Okay thanks!

And just one more thing (sorry)

Thoughts on any of the helbore variants with deadshot?

[tall torrent]

tldr don't

u want to maintain WoF stacks, and exiting/entering ADS will remove all WoF stacks

also ur gonna stay in ADS when firing 90% the time

[lavish solar]

True

[tall torrent]

deadshot is just big stamina drain for not that much gain

[lavish solar]

I see

Thanks for helping me!

[grizzled pebble]

Why unarmoured?

I think my rashad can 1 shot scab bruiser without unarmoured at 5 headtaker.

[lavish solar]

From experience without unarmored dreg shooters and shotgunners takes some time to kill with lights (3 weakspors for me I think) so maybe that’s why

[tall torrent]

did u take a bunch of +melee dmg talents

[grizzled pebble]

It's just standard melee build.

10% and 5% melee node.

[tall torrent]

no precision strikes?

[grizzled pebble]

I have precision strike. It's good for your range weapon too.

[tall torrent]

yea then it's almost every +melee dmg talent

[grizzled pebble]

See no need for unarmoured.

Take maniac/carapace/unyielding instead.

[frank ether]

what did it cost

[tall torrent]

if they don't take as many melee dmg talents, they'll need unarmored

[grizzled pebble]

Idk it's just normal tree. I don't path it to anything weird.

[tall torrent]

that's quite literally every single +melee dmg node taken...

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah it's a melee build.

[tall torrent]

yea if they don't take as many, unarmored is needed

[dreamy scaffold]

bro might be a bit lost

[grizzled pebble]

Just take the good talents.

[dreamy scaffold]

some arent melee focused?

and some might just like other nodes

[grizzled pebble]

I can kill scab bruiser like this. Only 10% melee node taken. I always have 30% weakspot node no matter the build.

14 spare points.

[tall torrent]

most people also don't have 4 max dmg stats on their rashad so

[last parcel]

sounds like they're just peasants

heh

😢

[grizzled pebble]

Just craft better.

[lavish solar]

You mean pray harder

[dreamy scaffold]

real

bros asking them to have better luck

how does that even work

[last parcel]

by being better

[crude fiber]

Skill issue tbh

Imagine not only rolling 550 gear

[dreamy scaffold]

i restarted so im only lvl 12

[lavish solar]

Agreed, I’ll tell Hadron you questioned her skills

[dreamy scaffold]

i quite literally cant max roll

[crude fiber]

[crude fiber]

What skills lmao, all Hadrons know is be sassy, brick gear and lie

[lavish solar]

lmao

[grizzled pebble]

I am veri skilled at crafting

No need for crafting rework.

[dreamy scaffold]

bro is the .001%

[last parcel]

that's what skill looksl ike

[crude fiber]

Swapping elite for flak should let you 2 hit scab ragers if you care about that sort of thing

[rapid palm]

so aside from unarmored whats the other damage perk ya should take on the rashad?

[crude fiber]

Normally flak to help with dreg bruiser 1 shots

[lavish solar]

Flak I think

[grizzled pebble]

I think it's for an old breakpoint. Idk if it's still the same.

[somber axle]

I think it's ok on the Mk III for how slow it fires even with WoF in my experience even if you only run 1 stam curio. A lot of builds also grab Confirmed Kill on the way down so they'll pick up the +1 stam node under it too. Very worth if someone is using Focus Target with Target Down for increased Stam efficiency on specials/elites. Not nearly as worth on the Mk II considering how much faster it is though

[grizzled pebble]

Crusher or something.

I know bulwalk got hp buff so no longer 1 shot headshot.

[frank ether]

does it break without fireteam or is it just for pre-headtaker stacks

[grizzled pebble]

No you need headtaker.

But it's easy to get those stacks.

[frank ether]

was thinking of agile maybe

[grizzled pebble]

My rashad on zealot. Idk just craft guys it's not hard.

[radiant coral]

guys, what does this even do?

[frank ether]

Your combat ability gains +1 charge, but %33 cooldown.

[last parcel]

It gives your Combat Ability +1 charge, but +33% cooldown

[radiant coral]

so it means i can use infiltration 2x?

[grizzled pebble]

Or my antax. Game seems pretty ez.

[lavish solar]

Not +25% maniac

Literally unusable

Bricked

[grizzled pebble]

Tru let me delete.

[last parcel]

Yes, if you have both charges available

[crude fiber]

60 sec cool down but can have 2 uses that refresh 1 at a time

[radiant coral]

ty, that's helpful

and which of these would yall recommend i use

[tall torrent]

Left

[lavish solar]

yes

[grizzled pebble]

Not taking free elite damage.

[radiant coral]

marksman combined with precision strike (30% weak spot damage extra) or deadshot (25% critical chance)

[lavish solar]

I mean almost every talent that’s in the screenshot is good

Deadshot and shock trooper are situational

[hollow rose]

any tips for a full survivability build for veteran?

[dire olive]

Uuh get the toughness DMG reduction talents

Use shout

Profit?

[junior needle]

Marksman in particular is just straight power as opposed to weakspot damage

Which is why it's generally really good

[bronze trout]

2 left

[grizzled pebble]

Yes pick toughness shout and press f.

[inland canopy]

you should just swap surgical for a higher level surgical

its the one thing that works with the whole idea of the hellbore

[remote gale]

How did you go about Adept Assassin? Struggling to get the criticals+weakpoint kills

[junior needle]

Higher level surgical certainly does help a lot

[inland canopy]

just be patient and wait for an RNG to show through crafting or the Melk's Requisition

[junior needle]

Keeping falter will feel bad though

One of the few blessings that actually just gimps you

[tall torrent]

zarona revolver
or plasma

u want a weapon that can crit weakspot kill most enemies in 1 shot

[lavish solar]

May I suggest HH7

[inland canopy]

In fact imo, level 1 Surgical is fine, cuz it does the trick and hits 100% crit in 4.5 seconds

falter on higher difficulties doesn't show off as much, since you are managing waves of specials or even bulwark/maulers - I'd replace falter with Weight of Fire, which decreases charge time and stacks

[bronze trout]

It was slow for that but just keep in my mind the need to build up stacks then switch for specials

[somber axle]

It might have very, very niche use for staggering Bulwarks and keeping them stunlocked until your shots put them down after the stagger threshold buff to them but idk if they can even do that or if the guns even need them to do it

[inland canopy]

@upper nimbus the difference of Level 1 Surgical and Level 4 Surgical is 4.5 Second vs 3 Seconds, you won't see much improvement really - so its a keeper, and you should replace falter for something else

[lavish solar]

if you fire roughly as fast as it charges (around 0.6 or 0.7s if I’m not very much mistaken), there would most likely be 1 stack of difference (maybe 2 in some cases) between level 1 and level 4

Which translates to 10% crit chance

I have no idea if this is important enough to worth swapping lv1 to lv4

[inland canopy]

not for keeping falter, on auric the stagger is not a huge benefit when you might see 5 bulwarks walk toward you

[lavish solar]

Yeah falter is more or less useless imo

[inland canopy]

i'd keep falter on lasguns, but even then i haven't it seen it being too effective at staggers

[midnight totem]

It's not

[inland canopy]

but yeah the hellbore is already slow as it is, so you're trying to double tap heavies, not just slow them down

[wanton dawn]

Dear diary. Today I accidentally killed a DH by yelling him out off a cliff. It was a nice feeling

WIsh I clipped that

[untold mulch]

That sounds very amusing to think how one would report that in setting

We found a daemon, but the exguardsman....just kinda yelled so hard it recoiled and fell off the hab block

[last parcel]

[junior needle]

It doesn't give you a way of staggering them through the shield

[wanton dawn]

It was darkness mode and I saw the tag just... going down

[junior needle]

If you have a way of doing that to begin with, you don't need falter for that. Assuming you can constantly beam their heads enough to actually permastagger

[tiny summit]

Always surgical/weight of fire on helbores. Mk2 just has the luxury of getting away with not needing weight of fire if you need to change other things

[lavish solar]

But honestly what else would you use other than weight of fire

The other blessings are just kind of meh

[remote gale]

oh thats just rude

[regal aurora]

I'm on my 99th power word with no power cycler IV.

[merry gale]

keep on

that set is worth it

paired with the 21st rebreather that you (probably) got for free

it's S tier

[tame lodge]

I did that recently, it usually teleports in front of you, but I guess it didn't have enough ground so it spawned behind me, so glad I got a perfect angle on a corner

[idle swallow]

If I got carapace locked on a bolter, think I should do unyielding for the 2nd perk or something else?

I'm using it more as a dmr

[remote gale]

I'm very happy with my current drip

[idle bluff]

Was this all from the comadore?

[remote gale]

Scion helmet and pants are from the cadia set

[neat stratus]

You know window's audio enhancements?

They aren't enhancements

[remote gale]

Upper body is from the new penance for voice of command

[celest vine]

They should make executioners stance refill toughness, would make it more useful

[frank ether]

I guess

[finite imp]

alright you motherfuckers, I'm trying to get that trascendent title

who loves maelstrom games

[agile forge]

Maybe put a small toughness regen in

[pale dune]

For the penances that mention volley fire, does that mean I need to not have any abilities selected in the talent tree in order for it to work?

[remote gale]

Volley Fire includes Executioners Stance im pretty sure

[pale dune]

hmmm

ive done like 5 missions now with it and am definitely killing elites but doesnt seem to be tracking

[tall torrent]

weapon specialist is bottom right keystone

[pale dune]

oh i m a doofus

ty

i think i got some of the names mixed up, my bad

[somber axle]

Nah not through the shield. I mean when you get a shot at the Bulwark behind the shield it could stagger them and keep cycle staggering them to death

[terse idol]

Oooh that chest has the purity seals?

[somber axle]

But I've not tested it personally so idk if it can with or without the blessing

[tiny summit]

It would do nothing. Because Vet already has 3 toughness regen talents at the top of the tree

[remote gale]

Yep! one of the cosmetics that feature a coat as well which is what the seals hang off of

[somber axle]

If it can't stagger cycle without the blessing (like if it takes 3-4+ shots to stagger) but with Falter it could stagger cycle in 1-2 shots then it would have niche use as a Bulwark bullying blessing

[terse idol]

Still wish it had the neck gaiter but beggars can't be choosers that looks pretty good

[junior needle]

Kinda becomes uh, unnecessary if you can already get behind them

[midnight mortar]

You're not a beggar though. You're a paying customer.

[somber axle]

But this is all guessing because I have no idea what it can and cannot do and can't test it while at work

I do know Boltgun needs 6 shots at the shield to make them stagger

But with Exe Stance it can in 2

So the improved impact does have a very significant effect on Boltgun through Exe Stance at least

[somber axle]

Yeah in a 1v1 it's unnecessary but in a crazy HiStg Damnation with multiple Bulwarks in the midst of a horde who are body blocking for trappers and hounds running through their bodies it might have more value to stun the Bulwark through stagger briefly when you dodge their swing

Very specific and niche scenario that may not even be possible if it can't get good stagger with Falter

And like WoF/Surgical will absolutely be best blessing pairing for the Helbores regardless

Just that if Falter allows improved stagger on the newly buffed stagger threshold Bulwarks it has sudden niche use it didn't before

[junior needle]

in a crazy hitsg damnation you're going to want a blessing that's much more generally useful and doesn't only do something in a hyperniche scenario

And also doesn't gimp you in other scenarios

Having a "niche" isn't enough by itself, it has to be good and broadly applicable enough compared to alternatives to warrant a choice

[terse idol]

Me as a begging paying customer

[quick seal]

Wish there was a veteran beret

How do ogryns have berets but we don’t

[remote gale]

How important is stopping power? because I just rolled this beauty

[rapid palm]

its the 2nd most important stat sadly, as it affects armor damage mulipliers

[remote gale]

oh thats tragic

[midnight totem]

ugh

fuck my life

12 game not going down streak

ruined instantly

pox gas mission

almost had two wipes

Carried this team through the near wipes, the bosses

it was an assassination

so the boss appears, in the middle of a gas area that's about to get gassed

AND THEY CHARGE IN

[rapid palm]

OOOOF

[midnight totem]

So when the reinforcements spawn, ragers, snipers, I'm the only guy aware of them, they're reloading with no toughness

and instant death

12 game not going down streak

all damnation and auric runs

three days of work

[rapid palm]

this is my godroll plasma and what you should roughly shoot for, the blessings arent super important as the plasma doesnt really have any super good ones, though blaze away is the best one sense it helps with bosses, its the base stats and perks ya need to worry about

[agile forge]

Imo more important than damage on most weapons it appears on

[winter grove]

Ok hello people

Trued out my stupid stealth build with atrax mk4

It feels like I am using a knife that actually does damage

But without Uncanny strike

So far been liking it

[honest drift]

give em' a break, the chinese sweat shop workers are trying their best

[lucid ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[pastel geode]

Darktide do got a goofy engine to work with

[burnt raven]

I love using krak grenades for a penance

[vale ledge]

I love the Recon Lasgun skin in shop

[ebon umbra]

how bad are the survivalist and scavenger changes?

[winter grove]

Not really

[ebon umbra]

are dog packs still free ammo?

i cant play for a bit x-x

mouse broke

[winter grove]

Yeah

Just with 5 se cd

[ebon umbra]

thank you for your time

[sharp epoch]

the shout and krak penance take forever

[sharp epoch]

not really you only get like 2 ammo for each wave of dogs

[ebon umbra]

a bit of an l but demo team still works. i imagine its just harder to be obnoxious with ammo heavy weapons. My real concern is the melee only modifier. No more bullet spam? but meh.

[sharp epoch]

Ammo heavy weapons are pretty much dead in the water on auric+ like your not gonna see any bolter mains doing well there

[tall torrent]

Go for pox gas missions to farm for VoC toughness regain

[tall torrent]

It’s still ok

[burnt raven]

it counts for scabs

[regal aurora]

102nd power sword without power cycler IV

[midnight totem]

tired

do the twins missions count for the never going down completed penance mission?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[midnight totem]

I'm looking to put together a team to unlock puzzle for twins and do hard mode, anybody game?

[hollow rose]

I just wiped on my 5th auric storm, losing 4 games in a row without dying streak, because my genius team decided to split up and start running solo all over the map. Those penances are so fkin toxic to do with random teams it's insane.

And that's like the only content to do after finishing your build and maxing the level.

[vale ledge]

Play Auric damnation, got 1/3 of the penance done with a commander build I run

[midnight totem]

pain

[sharp epoch]

ive played like 10 malestroms already its just slow for me for some reason

[midnight totem]

@hollow rose the without dying, is that dying or going down?

[vale ledge]

Weird

[sharp epoch]

its probably because im shouting at full toughness

and you need to lose all your toughness to finish faster

[vale ledge]

I usually just pop it during hordes and beasts/chaos/yougetheidea enemy’s along with crowds so I’m consistently full on toughness

Just use it like you normally would to be honest

[sharp epoch]

yeah im halfway but its taken longer than the others like I finsihed the aura ones in almost one game

[vale ledge]

If your consistently using it appropriately rather then randomly you can finish the penance pretty fast

[sharp epoch]

kraks though is gonna take forever

im at like 30 kills out of 250 and ive done 10 malestroms

[vale ledge]

S’how it goes usually

Just gotta take it slow and steady

[sharp epoch]

the smokes one seems easier but its smokes

[hollow rose]

dying. Auric storm survivor.

[vale ledge]

So stay with your team as a tank Ogryn

Got it

Can do that

[sharp epoch]

hows the tank ogryn nerf is it a big change

[vale ledge]

Depends I haven’t actually played gryn yet

What did they nerf?

[sharp epoch]

he lost a lot of toughness damage reduction just from changing it from additive to multiplicative

and also feel no pain keystone they made you lose stacks on taking any toughness damage like from shooters too

[vale ledge]

Did he lose toughness reduction from the bleed perk?

[sharp epoch]

no he keeps all his toughness reduction its just like multiplcative

so it stacks less hard

he probbably lost half or 2/3 of his toughness damage resist in actuality

[vale ledge]

Ehh whatever I’ll be fine, long as I can crump ‘eretics all the same

[sharp epoch]

i just hope it doesnt feel too bad

[vale ledge]

I mean my whole build has me getting toughness from just hitting shit

Long as I can outregen there hits I don’t mind

[sharp epoch]

they nerfed that a bit too

[vale ledge]

I’ll live

Nothing about the bleeding enemy’s = damage reduction perk?

[tame lodge]

Nothing

Still the same

They also buffed gunlugger

Good to know if you ever feel like shooting

[winter grove]

So I've got hit with a silly problem

[dire olive]

Yo I'm not gonna lie Marksman's Focus + Laspistol is kinda cracked

[winter grove]

I got a good roll zarona

Hand cannon, maniac and elite damage

Everything went perfect till I got second blessing

Thought of just swapping it to surgical

I apparently don't have ANY surgical

[arctic rampart]

@dire olive what do you use for melee with that

crusher packs ok w/ brittle or rending + krak?

[dire olive]

I was just using a shovel but pick whatever can deal with armour

Grinding krak atm

so not sweating it too hard

[winter grove]

Taxes

[dire olive]

Idk if I would take taxe outside a melee build tbh

[winter grove]

True

I use taxe mk4 rn

[dire olive]

Kinda need that finesse bonus

[winter grove]

But it's on stealth ws

Can confirm

That shit apparently slaps

[dire olive]

Yeah I used it earlier

Used it before update lol

It's good

[winter grove]

I grabbed it thinking like

"Nah knife is too basic for stealth"

And I never used taxes

Mk4 is just spam light attack everything dies

[dire olive]

I use the 7 personally

it has better armour modifiers for whatever reason

[winter grove]

You should try out mk4 eventually

[dire olive]

Same to you with Mk7

It does bonus flak damage and doesn't lose anything vs unyielding

And is also p much light spam most of the time

[finite imp]

Yall know what weapon you should try

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-abatukam-gif-26360022

[dire olive]

But to reiterate, MF laspistol fucks

[somber axle]

I had to run back to work but I'm finally home to respond. If Falter allows for stagger Bulwarks, that's one thing that gives it value it didn't have before. Surgical/WoF on a Mk II is still very valuable but it means having Falter on it instead isn't an automatic brick if someone values the utility. Same reason why the CIAG likes Stripped Down. Utility has immense value. CC has a lot of value. Imagine if Falter gave it enough stagger potential to consistently stagger stunlock Crushers. And tbh stagger stunlocking any of the tougher specials/elites makes them much easier to kill. Stopping a Flak Rager in their tracks for example. Buying yourself time and space to keep safely engaging is very important. But these are a lot of big ifs and all of my prior conversation was really just speculating on how it'd be fun if the recent buff to stagger threshold put Falter on the board as something fun for a playstyle that might value that CC over raw damage