veteran-class

[last parcel]

did someone say hadron's metallic toes in my mouth

[austere pine]

you just said it

please don't say it again

pfp checks out

[sonic rain]

[idle swallow]

crusader kings moment with my sister

[tame lodge]

Don't let they know that Hadron has a peg leg

[winter grove]

You just did

Cease

[wise fossil]

Since Ex stance and tactical reload got buffed, i'm thinking of trying something like this for an agri shotty build. Thoughts?

[winter grove]

Oh look a Bolter build

[wise fossil]

Yeah more or less

I haven't used it till now because I've never found a shotgun worth using on my vet

My zealot is swimming in 370+ shottys

[winter grove]

@austere pine why the chainaxe hate?

[tame lodge]

Looks solid

[covert pelican]

Is there an equivalent of ogrynomicon for veteran ?

[austere pine]

yucky moveset, throws enemies around without actually killing them but unlike the evis, throws them directly away from you and not beside you

[frank monolith]

there is but people hate the guy apperently

[covert pelican]

I'm returning from a long break, and the tree is a bit "out of my comprehension" on the synergies

[covert pelican]

hate ?

[austere mica]

It’s the first pin if you want it

[tall torrent]

What did I do lol

[austere mica]

Much more technical than the ogrynomicon

[last parcel]

who hates path

[austere pine]

numbers man is a hater

bro did not like my auto-reload build for vet

[hollow ibex]

He prefers dogs

[wise fossil]

Based

[tall torrent]

Understandable I like dogs too

[idle swallow]

How dare you provide a guide to the community with no expectation of recompense

[last parcel]

NO MY BELOVED THAT IS NOT A GOOD DOG

[wise fossil]

Dogs are the best

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I’m one of those weirdos that likes both cats and dogs too

[tall torrent]

Also did a bit of maths

The total penance points u can get rn is 4835, but u only need 4500 to claim everything, meaning u can actually skip quite a few penances

335 points worth of penances

The most point-loaded section is endeavours which u can actually do really easily
Finishing each mission on auric damnation will unlock all difficulty related penances:
Sedition +5
Uprising +5
Malice +5
Heresy +5
Auric Heresy +10
Damnation +10
Auric Damnation +10
For 50 points total

[frank monolith]

Not you

i like you

no homo though

[last parcel]

get a room

[tall torrent]

[bronze trout]

Which laspistol is better?

[hearty panther]

how's your accuracy

[bronze trout]

god

[hearty panther]

X

[winter grove]

Yucky moveset? You mean the mk4 don't you?

[austere pine]

i don't think so actually

[winter grove]

Mk12 is literally

Spam lights for horde

Spam heavues for single target

[austere pine]

hear me out

heavy sword for zealot

[winter grove]

Use special to oneshot any mf who believes carapace protects well

[austere pine]

power swords for veteran

[winter grove]

I don't say it's ultimate

Chainaxes are a niche

It's specialized fuck you to armor

It's not the worst thing at horde clear in my experience

Unlike tacaxes

[bright cliff]

never used the taxes, are they really that much worse than the caxes?

[winter grove]

Yes

[small mauve]

did they change sniper damage or something? they are dealing an absurd amount of damage to me today, even through iron will. Like getting oneshotted when I have 230+ thoughness with iron will. Usually I would need to get sniped 3 times to die on my vet

[somber axle]

Maybe pox gas buffed the sniper?

Idk

[winter grove]

They gave hellguns to snipers

[small mauve]

like we can see my iron will is up, and 233 thougness

pardon the unholy language

[winter grove]

Shadow buff to snipers?

[small mauve]

and it's not a one time thing, happened to me 2 times today, out of 2 snipers hit

[winter grove]

You summoned sniper actually

[balmy flume]

5000/7500 self healing VoC done. (Roundabouts)
Then I can have one more green chest piece to choose from lol

[mortal horizon]

brutal momentum 4, or swap elite perk on this?
or neither dont touch it and use as-is and wait for crafting update just in case lol

[balmy flume]

(Also: I actually removed Immunity to Suppression, truly found out it wasn’t a direly needed node lol)

[winter grove]

Since they added the gas mask helmet from cover art I literally have all my vest loadout outfits have one

Except for stealth one, it has the bootleg one

[winter grove]

I'd advice swapping elite for carapace

Or flak

[mortal horizon]

also drip good or nah?

[winter grove]

But not an expert here

[agile forge]

Keep it as it is imo. Maybe swap out Flak for Carapace or maniac

[mortal horizon]

it has flak already @ sallet

[agile forge]

Iirc Flak isn't so important for ps6

But check the guide

[winter grove]

Flak/Elite swap to carapace

Not elite to flak

[agile forge]

Carapace can be really strong on it if you run it with a weapon that doesn't do armour so well, like CIAG

[tall torrent]

It’s good but a lot of the times isn’t needed

[agile forge]

Often your PS6 is your crusher cracker

Points are karkin expensive

[agile forge]

Also that's a hell of a thread necromancy

[tall torrent]

See if u can find pox gas missions, it’s rly easy to farm there

[agile forge]

Why did you comment on a post from March 21 lmao @tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Which post

Wait wtf

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

Why did discord load me back to March 21st

[mortal horizon]

so basically, BM 4 isn't worth it, update the perk instead is the consensus?

[small mauve]

it just one taps now I guess

[agile forge]

I mean you were right but yeah lol

[agile forge]

Very minor difference between bromentum ranks

[tall torrent]

U only need 200 toughness if u rly build for this breakpoint

Unless u exclude close order drill

[winter grove]

No he means sniper oneshots now

Like 100-0

[tall torrent]

Wdym

[winter grove]

@tall torrent

Although he isn't 100% full hp there

[tall torrent]

Sniper shot is 122.5 dmg with 10x toughness multiplier
It has the “full spillover” effect, meaning if u don’t fully negate it with toughness, it’ll instant break all toughness and deal its full 122.5 dmg to health

Unless u have sniper resist

[winter grove]

Ah

[tall torrent]

If he didn’t have any sniper resist whatsoever and he has <122.5 health, he’ll get 1 tapped

[small mauve]

before it wouldn't go through the shield if you had enough thougness

now it does, 274 thougness + iron will, it goes through

[somber axle]

Is that without any sniper resist?

Because like 1225 toughness damage cut in half is 612.5 and that will absolutely still smash through 274 toughness and still do the spillover other cat mentioned

[tall torrent]

yea u need 1225 toughness equivalent against it lol

u can cut it down to much lower tho

triple sniper resist and a bunch of TDR stuff

[somber axle]

Total 165 HP - 43 remaining HP = 122 DMG to HP

Lines up with other cat math

[gritty zenith]

Did the bulwark health buff make kraks not 1 tap anymore?

Standard kraks that is

[somber axle]

Bulwark HP was not buffed afaik, just stagger threshold

Should still one shot Bulwarks and in games I've seen people throw krak they have

Have your kraks not been killing bulwarks?

[last parcel]

they got a 33% health boost

[somber axle]

Was this a sneaky buff not mentioned in the patch notes

[winter grove]

@tall torrent is it worth trying out taxes on stealth builds?

[somber axle]

They should probably fire whoever writes the patch notes since they leave out such important stuff like this

[small mauve]

yep it doesn't one tap without the talent tinkerer

[winter grove]

...Taxes on steath build

[somber axle]

Wh

[winter grove]

Fucking invisible Irs

[somber axle]

Man I must be blind

[last parcel]

it's the pox gas

[somber axle]

I read the patch notes when the update dropped and never saw that

[last parcel]

get yourself some regulation zeta 1 12

[somber axle]

I should fire my eyes for not seeing things

[small mauve]

but I guess the ult remove the spillover effect? I don't know, maybe they fixed snipers as it was intended, but before I could tank sniper hits and I'm 100% sure of it

[somber axle]

Now I'm curious if you need Tinkerer for Krak to kill Bulwarks or not

[winter grove]

Remind me, which tacaxe has the most consistent moveset?

[small mauve]

yes you do

[winter grove]

Was it 4?

[somber axle]

Yeah VoC gold toughness puts it past the threshold I think

[last parcel]

@somber axle you can still one shot bulwarks without

[somber axle]

Oh ok that's good to know

[small mauve]

well if it's supposed to do 1225 toughness damage, and you have iron will, you take 613 damage, and it's way more than 274+ 50

[vernal zinc]

Do yall think we’ll be getting new weapons anytime soon

[winter grove]

Depends on what soon means

You mean Soon-Soon or Soon™

[vernal zinc]

This year

[last parcel]

to save me from tears

[vernal zinc]

So soon soon

[winter grove]

Probably not

[bronze trout]

Not until darktide 2

[vernal zinc]

Damn

[last parcel]

i gave it to someone special

[small mauve]

not in damnation, and I didn't oneshot the whole day there in live game, so it's not only a psykarium thingy

[vernal zinc]

And I was hoping for the heavy stubber too smh

I want to live out my guard fantasies

[winter grove]

Give hellguns to rejects

Some of them were scions if we take character creation choices into account

[last parcel]

guess you need superiority complex now

[vernal zinc]

Word

I was listening to gaunts ghosts and the hellguns sound beautiful

Perfect weapons to fight marines too

[winter grove]

I mean it's a lasgun but isn't a meme

By wh40k standards of course

[vernal zinc]

It’s a lasgun space marines actually have to worry about

Outside of lascannons

[small mauve]

well something fucky is going on then mine do 4200 damage, not 4800

[somber axle]

I went searching on Google to see if there's an explanation on gold toughness and the best I could find after like 5 minutes of looking was this reddit post explaining all the toughness damage effects and how they work

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17ytif5/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/

[vernal zinc]

And if they gave it to us they could make us a bit slower when we have it equipped

[last parcel]

yeah it's superiority complex. 4200 * 1.15 puts it to 4830
edit: it's 4000 * 1.2 = 4800 from superiority complex + fire team

[vernal zinc]

Because it’s not light in the slightest

[somber axle]

It verifies other cat's info but I do not know what makes VoC strong enough to absorb a full sniper shot

Until I am home from work I am limited in my ability to help

[winter grove]

Imagine it takes like

6 ammo per shot

[small mauve]

oh yeah it's the talent name, I thought it was directed at me cause you could oneshot them and were right aswell

[winter grove]

Best way to balance out lasgun type weaponry in darktide

Make it eat ammo like it's chicken nuggets

[last parcel]

oh lol. i did some more testing and it was actually superiority complex + fire team

[vernal zinc]

Yeah heavy shot would normal shot with slightly more power would be the equivalent of two normal lasgun rounds

It could be done

[somber axle]

That's a neat interaction. 15% elite lets you bypass Tinkerer to still get Bulwark 1HKO on Krak

A lot of builds will grab that anyway

[small mauve]

but anyway thanks for the info about snipers, I guess I could tank them before as I always had enough damage mitigation with like exhilarating takedown and other stuff I guess, so I could tank the 1225 damage before reduction and thought it was normal

[last parcel]

you actually also need fire team with that

[somber axle]

Fire Team too? I guess after surv aura nerf that isn't too bad

[last parcel]

yeah (fire team + superiority complex) or just the ogryn damage/tinkerer

[winter grove]

What's the name for the speed aura again

[last parcel]

close and kill

[winter grove]

Close and Kill is better than Fire Team on stealth builds?

I know that surv is literally out of the question

[urban steppe]

fingers missing some texture , or its because of my character is taller ?

[last parcel]

superiority complex on its own

[last parcel]

yes in most cases imo. I'd only take Fire Team if it helps with breakpoints

[winter grove]

Good to know

I also think tacaxes really shine on stealth builds since those almost always go into WS route

[somber axle]

I found it

From the reddit post at the very bottom

Gold toughness will completely mitigate any single attack even those with the full spillover effect if you are at max gold toughness when it happens

Another funny gem from the reddit post

Ogryn just get 71.2% toughness damage reduction for existing I guess LMFAO

[last parcel]

[trim steppe]

this was patched now tho, they made it multiplicative

[hidden torrent]

Reddit posters you say?

[hearty panther]

Yeah it's no longer completely ridiculous, just mostly.

[somber axle]

What's the new total for Ogryn TDR?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t work like this anymore

[trim steppe]

idk I just work here man

[tall torrent]

This patch changed it

[hidden torrent]

wtf does tdr stand for

[trim steppe]

toughness damage reduction

[somber axle]

Toughness Damage Reduction

[tall torrent]

It’s still pretty ridiculous because heavy atk hitting anything for 20% toughness is crazy

[winter grove]

I don't think we're experts in ogryn tactics

We gotta lobotomise ourselves to be ones

[trim steppe]

Before this patch Ogryn were easily the toughest/strongest class. Idk where they stand after this patch, I've only played vet since it dropped

[winter grove]

Zealots are still too zealous to die

Psykers never ever were tanky

[crude fiber]

pretty sure they made it so yellow toughness now blocks any health damage until its gone as well. no more chip damage with yellow toughness

[somber axle]

Well this explains why my friend who mains Ogryn felt so squishy on their Vet alt LMFAO

They were used to having crazy amounts of TDR

[trim steppe]

yeah this was patched in a few patches ago, it was bugged before and allowed chip

[trim steppe]

yeah ogryn tankiness was straight up ridiculous

[hidden torrent]

Wait they nerfed Ogryn/

[hearty panther]

vet also has ridiculous TDR, but only on the first 1/4 of your bar

but yknow, VoC

doesnt really matter

[trim steppe]

they made TDR multiplicative instead of additive, so the total you can reach is lower than before

[hidden torrent]

They nerfed the class's tankiness? the only class that can't use cover? sounds fun

[somber axle]

VoC on a 30 sec CD and possibly lower depending on procs to the special/elite kill -6 sec CD ability reduction

[trim steppe]

bruh the ogryn tankiness was straight up broken, they're bringing it better in line now

[somber axle]

Just never stop screaming

Ogryn should call Vet shouty instead

[hearty panther]

its dumb, i hate it

15s uptime on a 30s cooldown

totally sensible

[somber axle]

It makes Vet too easy imo

I never use it

[winter grove]

Veterans on their way to be tankier than ogryns

[somber axle]

You can also VoC shout at a Burgle who has eaten a team mate and make them vomit the team mate out instantly

[hidden torrent]

You right, the reason darktide isn't very fun and everyone is leaving is because the Ogryn is too tanky

Glad they fixed that

[somber axle]

Like seeing a dog and going "What's in your mouth? You spit that out right now!!"

[solar bone]

FNP nerfs and TDR changes arent that bad. Ogryns are still tankier than fuck with massive toughness regen on heavy attacks.

You cant face tank a gunner for as long now

[hearty panther]

Punching your way through a horde and Reaper fire without taking any damage was not okay

[solar bone]

Pretty sure you can still kind of do that if you prioritize the reapers

[somber axle]

Yeah Ogryns with that chonky toughness regen on heavy hit from talents and with the toughness 20% regen on heavy swing blessing on some weapons just lets them fight forever in a crowd

Never die just keep smashing

[solar bone]

I haven't noticed a super huge difference because I was never doing the whole, ignore things for funnies. I never made it a habit to take damage I didn't need to take. It still seems ludicrously tanky to me

[hollow turtle]

Think its time to take a break from Democracy and return to the imperial fold.
Has anything changed for the Vet in the last 4 months?

[winter grove]

Surv nerf

[serene bough]

Say goodbye to survivalist

[solar bone]

meh

[winter grove]

It's not that critical

[hollow turtle]

The ammo talent?

[winter grove]

Yeah the ammo aura

[hollow turtle]

I forgot what survivalist was. Lol

[winter grove]

Has 5 seconds cd now

[hollow turtle]

Ah. Well, shit.

[winter grove]

It's not that bad as you think it is

[solar bone]

More of a Gunker nerf than anything else

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus buffed, Executioner's Stance buffed, Bulwark/Crusher/Reaper stagger threshold increased indirectly nerfing Boltgun and Plasma who struggle to shoot open Bulwark shields now, Survivalist Aura nerfed for less ammo regen

[winter grove]

Unless you use shit like plasma or revolvers

Those got an indirect nerf

[agile forge]

Gunker ammo economy is fine tbh

[winter grove]

No more 3d printed ammo

[agile forge]

Gun lugger is harder hit

[hearty panther]

i still don't need to pick up ammo on my gunker if theres a survet

[agile forge]

Gunker has Assail still

[somber axle]

Plasma and Boltgun users are having a hard time after the stagger threshold hurts them on Bulwarks and the Surv Aura means they have to pay attention to ammo econ now

[solar bone]

did they fix plasma charge damage yet?

[agile forge]

The MF change looks intriguing

[cloud falcon]

Can plasma pierce bulwark shields still?

[tame lodge]

No

[hollow turtle]

Yeah, I'll probably get used to it.
So using the standard IA Lasgun, and the MkII Helbore hasn't been affected right?

[tame lodge]

As in, not worth charging

[frank monolith]

yes

[somber axle]

Those are fine and arguably two of the best ammo efficient weapons now when paired with a little crit and Shock Trooper

Idk if you can still go ammo positive with helbores in no ammo maelstrom after the update though

[hollow turtle]

Awesome. My primary builds haven't been affected. All I know is that I got the Darktide cover helmet and chest piece now.

[solar bone]

I mean as in it gets the best damage at 73 charge rate. I see the chart is still in the pins so I'm assuming not. Charge rate effects damage even if dont charge it

[winter grove]

Not at all

[frank monolith]

ill be honest my zealot use to have 100% ammo with a vet that has the ammo perk but now im at yellow/orange

[hollow turtle]

I'm coming back just to unlock armor and emotes I want.

[balmy flume]

…is it just me or do the spawns feel a bit…different?

Like. Not tougher or easier, just…different.

[somber axle]

We can look like the teaser trailer guys now!

[winter grove]

What should be perks/blessings on taxes?

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[winter grove]

The Darktide Seven

Why haven't I buy the game earlier for moebian 21st set :(

Also I did a funny idea

Via the weapon customization mod I put iron sights on lasgun

[tall torrent]

It’s a pretty mediocre set tbh

Veteran Moebian 21st doesn’t look that good

[winter grove]

It would've fit perfectly for my MG4 build

Esp that the cover art helmet is here

[winter grove]

I do have a build question

[thorn lark]

brutal momentum + shred / headtaker... maybe decimator

[winter grove]

It's about taxes on stealth builds

[thorn lark]

headtaker + shred works too

[winter grove]

Since those usually go into WS keystone

[somber axle]

There are a lot of really good sets in game even without the Moebian Recon stuff honestly especially now that the cover art full set is available. Plus the Infiltrator chest piece from the stealth Vet penance looks top tier imo

[tall torrent]

It’s good

[somber axle]

Looking mediocre is my entire thing. I want to look like standard Guardsman #3717261582

Not the Protagonist

We are bodies into a grinder and Hestia is the only one caring to write down what we do on the off chance someone cares to remember us

If I look like an NPC I am happy

[crude fiber]

Except even the bots know better then to use a recon

[winter grove]

Oh yeah

Stealth penance set actually goes hard with the bootleg gas mask helmet

[somber axle]

If Helldivers 2 has taught me anything it's that being more like bots is an issue, not a success story

[tall torrent]

Rename ur veteran as “Veteran” to role play as bots

[winter grove]

Being like darktide bots is a death sentence

[regal aurora]

83rd powersword, still no power cycler IV

500,000+ ordos and one above 360. it isnt possible is it?

[crude fiber]

merely a myth

a legend passed down through generations of vets

[somber axle]

I really should

[sonic rain]

going for this auric title is kinda forcing me to play like a jerk

[frank monolith]

which one

[sonic rain]

10 aurics without dying

[frank monolith]

i can join you if need help ||im eu server though||

[sonic rain]

its all good, i'm playing with a group

i just don't like alt f4ing on them when I'm doomed

and hogging healing

probs not helping that i'm trying to do it on high intensity shocktroops

[supple stag]

I am planning to try using Infiltrate ult, any melees that would work nicely with it?

[winter grove]

Mk3 knife

[supple stag]

For ranged weapons I think I am fairly set

[sonic rain]

knife is good, I like power sword and shovel

[winter grove]

Trying to find out if taxes are a good pick

[sonic rain]

but I don't use stealth much tbh

[winter grove]

Just remember one thing

While building for stealth

Surv is literally out of the question

[supple stag]

I do like the chestplate connected to penance with Infiltrate, so two reasons to try it out anyway

Surv is out eh? What other aura would be good then?

[winter grove]

Close and Kill

[supple stag]

Movement speed?

[winter grove]

Surv is way too point expensive to afford

[winter grove]

Yup

[supple stag]

I don't remember them all sadly

I'll cook something out and post here for critique

[winter grove]

5% more dmg aura if you need to hit specific breakpoints

[supple stag]

I think I'll stick to power sword/caxe, I still need to collect blessings for knives

[terse idol]

Where are the modbian 6th armour

[winter grove]

It's in game

[terse idol]

Cause these just look like, scion armour

And

Imperial guardsmen from the poster

[winter grove]

Yes that's it

[terse idol]

Whaat

Wack

[winter grove]

Womp womp

[tall torrent]

White & blue, unlocked at 4500 penance points

[terse idol]

I thought it was gonna be like, at least a little black

[supple stag]

Also, is going for suppression immunity stupid? When using Infiltrate?

[terse idol]

None of the traitor 6th got blue darn

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

[tall torrent]

Well this is pre-traitor

[brisk oxide]

is there a point to suppression immunity if you're using plasma gun?

[terse idol]

We don't even see like

[brisk oxide]

i can't tell the difference

[terse idol]

Abit of blue

Even dark blue

[supple stag]

I'm planning to stick to Vraks 7 or Agripinaa inf autogun

[winter grove]

I mean

[terse idol]

Only the helmet is like

[winter grove]

Scabs are blueish shade of grey

[terse idol]

Vaguely 6th

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t suggest vraks7 with infiltrate
It’s a very point heavy gun

[terse idol]

Cause gasmaks

[supple stag]

I could use revolver too

[winter grove]

Gas masks are from krieg lmao

[supple stag]

It would fit nicely with right side talents, I am planning to go for weapon spec

[terse idol]

The last armour set isn't krieg that's as much as I know

[tall torrent]

Yes, this is before they turned traitor

[winter grove]

Yes I know

[tall torrent]

I think before them being deployed to Nox Alpha

[winter grove]

I am saying that pre-traitor 6th is blue and post are blue too, just way more darkened

[tall torrent]

Because they learnt to paint their gear black afterwards

[terse idol]

That's

Wacky

[tall torrent]

I still think it looks good

Better than most cosmetics

[last parcel]

im blue

da ba dee ba

[winter grove]

I really wanna know if stealth make taxes shine a bit better than it does everywhere else

[last parcel]

oops i turned traitor

[terse idol]

Kinda wished they had like enclosed gas mask with the helmets

But ohwell

[tall torrent]

[supple stag]

what was the site again for making talent setups?

Too lazy to boot up DT again

[terse idol]

I think the helmets suck eggs 😌

But the armour is peak

[last parcel]

gameslantern

[supple stag]

Many thanks

[terse idol]

peak scion armour

[winter grove]

Yes or no
I know they're really not best

[tall torrent]

There’s a 2nd headpiece variation where it’s just mask, no helmet

[last parcel]

i forgor the link lmao https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[terse idol]

Oh I want helmet and mask

I mean

Unless I'm missing something

[tall torrent]

Don’t we all

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

The Moebian 6th mask for veteran looks like subzero from MK lmao

[winter grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229926497784168508/Screenshot_2024-04-16_154831.png?ex=66317550&is=661f0050&hm=410f15fa569c5654411f6d0832417162b3846dba2a311525dc1a32569c8131fa&

This armor actually makes the bootleg helmet look good

[terse idol]

Guh can't win em all

[versed bloom]

Hell yeah, that's the look I was gunning for

[terse idol]

I just hope they release a scion helmet in a light blue

(For freeeee)

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[tall torrent]

bro is gonna restore honor to the Lin Kuei or smth

[supple stag]

Uhh I cooked something, let me know what to change, I am clueless when it comes to non VoC builds, I suck at the game lmao https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9bd50e4f-888b-4039-b8e7-0d19360c512f

[terse idol]

Dark colours blended in

Yeah my ass is blended

Light blue

What is this, the navy

[supple stag]

I appreciate any tips and suggestions

[terse idol]

It's sooo clooose

[supple stag]

As honest as my permadrunk being is

[winter grove]

That's a lot of investment into stealth sub talents

[brisk oxide]

so i hate the revolver on vet

that's my starting point on that build

[supple stag]

I don't mind revolver that much

[brisk oxide]

it's a much worse plasma gun

[supple stag]

and I am allergic to plasma

[terse idol]

Take smoke

😌

[supple stag]

smoke eh?

[terse idol]

Well yeah you can save some points

[tall torrent]

Not taking “always prepared” for revolver is uhhhh

[terse idol]

Smoke is really good sallet

Smh

[supple stag]

I can try mixing something around

[terse idol]

And for the pathing

[brisk oxide]

i also don't like taking those three talents on the right side at top of tree

[tall torrent]

U don’t need “surprise attack” for ability modifier

[brisk oxide]

would rather see +25% ammo, +weakspot damage

[terse idol]

I just take the top right side 2 talents, take smoke, take agile engagement

CqC

[tall torrent]

U don’t need confirmed kill if u already have out for blood

[terse idol]

Imo if you're taking tactical awareness, I'd also take overwatch personally

[winter grove]

Do you think taxes would fit here?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1217605060582834198/IMG_1710.png?ex=66298c14&is=66171714&hm=f908bd0f54d4e6fe415eff1e47e1f35474c4d840ecd06198b7aaef2f52e3ab63&

[supple stag]

This looks decent, I'll try it

[winter grove]

That's what I rock with dclaw 4 and agri shotgun

[tall torrent]

I think u should just go knife lol

[winter grove]

I actually do consider swapping to mk3 knife

[tall torrent]

I like mk6 a lot more than mk3 personally

[terse idol]

I'd rock this

[supple stag]

I guess I'll go power sword and agri autogun/revolver to get used to this first

[winter grove]

But I also wanna know how bad would taxe mk4 would go with it

[terse idol]

Taxes are also shit

Just go rashad

[supple stag]

then maybe expand

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

Try it and find out

[winter grove]

No kill confirmed

[terse idol]

If you're gonna spend time and energy

[supple stag]

Thanks for advices fellow vets

[terse idol]

Smoke gaming

But like I'm gonna say

[winter grove]

Didn't use mk3 at all on vet

[terse idol]

If you're spending time and energy

For a weapom

[winter grove]

Mk6 is nice tho

[terse idol]

I wouldn't go taxe

[winter grove]

I am a lucky devil I won't waste so much time on crafting a good one

[somber axle]

This looks really really good wow

[terse idol]

If you're running double overwatch

Because of tactical awareness

I don't think you hurt too much not going kill confirmed

[winter grove]

I used that build for penances

Let's just say

[terse idol]

You got alot of defensive options with grenade tinkerer and uh 60s smokes

[somber axle]

Tbh Confirmed Kill is good but I've preferred Exhilirating Takedown most times

[winter grove]

I had no ways to replenish toughness except ult

[somber axle]

If you're consistent with clicking heads it feels better for toughness regen in fights

[terse idol]

This is why I pick out for blood

Because

Weapon spec is just as much for melee as it is for ranged

[somber axle]

OFB got buffed from 2.5% to 5% with the update yeah?

[terse idol]

Yuh

[last parcel]

they're using a revolver

[somber axle]

That and Tunnel Vision

[tall torrent]

3.5% -> 5%

[terse idol]

I mean either ain't bad

[tall torrent]

Tunnel vision is a toughness gain multiplier

[terse idol]

I'd focus on you're using weapon spec

[supple stag]

I'm gonna try this and see how it goes out

[somber axle]

I wonder how good OFB and Tunnel Vision feel when put together

[terse idol]

Have no ammo gen, so you're gonna be gaining alot of toughness back from melee too

[winter grove]

Kill confirmed can give you so much toughness tho

[brisk oxide]

confirmed kill is one of the best vet talents

possibly the best

[terse idol]

I would run kill confirmed for something like, plasmagun I think they're both valid options in this context

[somber axle]

It can yeah but if you're in a special/elite kill drought if other squadmates snag your kills from you, you may find your toughness dropping fast

[terse idol]

You get alot of elite kills with the volver for sure

[terse idol]

That's also a good point

[tall torrent]

O4B makes melee kill give 10% toughness
10 stacks of marksman’s focus makes tunnel vision give u x1.5 to all non-coherency toughness u get

So that’s gonna be 15% toughness per melee kill

[terse idol]

It's why for blood is pretty spicy

[brisk oxide]

if you're not fighting any enemies that give you toughness then you're not in a situation where you are taking damage

[somber axle]

That sounds really funny but I thought OFB did all kills? Is it only melee?

[tall torrent]

O4B is 5% on any kill, stacking with melee’s 5% per kill

[terse idol]

Kinda, there are situations where you need to just bring back toughness like it's an easy way to bring em back

[somber axle]

Ah ok

Melee kills with OFB feel like they're solid for keeping up Toughness

[terse idol]

Oh, I gotta run this for

My exe marksmen build

[somber axle]

Stacking on TV sounds even funnier

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

With a BM weapon killing 4 per swing, that’s 40% toughness per swing

Confirmed kill is not beating it at horde killing

[quick seal]

any thoughts on veteran grenades anyone

[last parcel]

how much time you got

[quick seal]

I just started playing this game.. I picked veteran because I like bolter and plasma. that's my favorite guns from the table top. But I just got to the new grenades on the talent tree and they all kind of suck so. Open to hearing your opinions

[bronze trout]

Smoke is trash, shredder is the best, but you should use krak until you get the penance

[tall torrent]

Frag is most useful general purpose
Krak is for killing ogryn enemies & boss dmg
Smoke is a defense tool

[terse idol]

Smoke grenades are good

[terse idol]

Dude wtf

[quick seal]

i'm getting varying opinions here lol

[terse idol]

Smoke grenades stop all shooters

From shooting you

[brisk oxide]

you need to throw two frag grenades at the same time if you want to kill stuff with them

[terse idol]

And it fucks with disabler tracking

Like dogs

[brisk oxide]

plus upgrade to shredders

[terse idol]

Mutants

Trappers

[tall torrent]

General consensus is that frags are best, the other 2 are situational

[bronze trout]

You know what else stops all that? a shredder which also kills most of those things

[terse idol]

General consensus is
Krak sucks

Smoke and grenade good

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[winter grove]

No it doesn't

[terse idol]

It really does

When you have a team that can kill targets that need krak

Right away

I don't believe dis

[brisk oxide]

krak doesnt really have a purpose since your main gun should kill armored targets in seconds

[terse idol]

I don't krak anymore

[quick seal]

I was going to go smoke grenades because i always use smoke grenades in every other game (e.g., Sicario in Payday 2), and I don't even need offensive grenades because every single time I throw a grenade, the enemy dies from me shooting it before the grenade blows up. So I was like, cool I'll pick smoke. But it turns out smoke is used more for melee? And I'm not really a melee person. What are your thoughts on that

[last parcel]

Kraks are good for anti armor and boss damage, but plasma and bolter already do those things pretty well

[terse idol]

Uh

I mean, it depends where you throw it

It is

Niche

[brisk oxide]

if you can't kill crushers and maulers with your main gun you need a different gun, krak isn't the answer

[tall torrent]

Yea smoke is primarily to cover for melee / reposition

[quick seal]

😀 ugghh i'm grinding xp to unlock plasma/bolter

[terse idol]

Because yes like 955 said

It's a defensive option

[winter grove]

If I can't kill crusher and mauler with my gun I kill them with my melee

[terse idol]

It can get alot of shooters and specials off you at least for ahit

[tall torrent]

1 doesn’t
2 does, but then again you’re using 2

[brisk oxide]

okay so in that case you don't need krak either

[terse idol]

I would rather take shredder grenade

For a ranged build

[brisk oxide]

but your gun should kill crushers and maulers

otherwise why did you bring it

[terse idol]

Because of hordes

[winter grove]

I don't, but kraks are point efficient on stealth

[terse idol]

And like everything else

yes the shreddernis the best

But smoke has gotten much much better

[tall torrent]

Not rly

It’s good to be able to kill multiple crushers in a very short amount of time all by urself

[terse idol]

Especially considering the point I'll make, it stops disablers.

[brisk oxide]

that's why god made the plasma gun

[terse idol]

Okay?

Krak doesn't

Damn

😭

It sucks

(It's not that bad)

But so many options in the game drop crushers immediately

[tall torrent]

Which hits them 1 at at time and needs 3 shots to kill 1

[terse idol]

Plasmagun revolver

[supple stag]

I like kraks myself, they're neat for mass armour and boss damage

[terse idol]

Uhhhhhh

Yeah sure

I'll give ya that much

[balmy flume]

Penance chest piece get, even though wipe.
I am happy.

[terse idol]

I don't really like krak but I might take them if I lack boss damage

(Alot of my loadouts lack boss damage)

[supple stag]

I don't touch Plasma out of principle, so Kraks there are

• Power sword :)

[tall torrent]

Well u need 500 armored target kills with krak for penance
Best to start now lmao

[quick seal]

I'm very excited for plasma and bolter to be unlocked. I heard they're very ammo efficient

[terse idol]

God damnnn

Gonna need to take twin nades for meme krak

[tall torrent]

I have krak’d every single armored enemy I could for 2 days and I’m at 250/500

[balmy flume]

Meanwhile I hate doing the smoke one lol

[versed bloom]

I always make sure my build has regenerating krak grenades

[balmy flume]

Working on the Krak one is fine, been using Krak anyways,

[tall torrent]

Smoke u can do in 3-4 games it’s ez

[balmy flume]

Ah ok thx for info

Still, I got the chest piece for VoC, might do Krak to get pants first

[tall torrent]

I only have 3 veteran penances left (and 1 where I have to have everything finished)

Need 250 more krak kills, 63 more crit weakspot kills vs elite/special when under the effect of weapon specialist, and 2500 kills with 10 or more stacks of marksman’s focus

[versed bloom]

My only issue with that cosmetic is that there's no helmet or pants that match that shade of green on the armor

At least not through the commissary or penances

[balmy flume]

A fair concern, and in my case I whaled previsouoy for the Scion helmet.
Also I think the green backpack should be alright.
If you have the Imperial Edition, the black Mortis Backpack is also a nice backup colour cheat choice

Also the Backpack from the progress track looks ok with that too

[crude fiber]

theres no guide for martyrs skulls yet right?

[tall torrent]

Haven’t seen one yet

I only know how to get the one from chasm logistratum

It takes a bit of parkour to do

[crude fiber]

im too stupid to figure out most of them it seems

[last parcel]

think someone started one in the subreddit

[versed bloom]

I've figured every one I've come across out on the spot

[crude fiber]

at least to stupid to figure it out before my team rushes ahead

[tall torrent]

My team can’t keep themselves alive long enough that I haven’t had time to check for them

[balmy flume]

Also funnily enough having to farm for VoC penance has made me appreciate running VoC.
I am now actually 50/50 on whether I want to switch back to Executioner or not.

[versed bloom]

VoC is the best combat ability for Veteran. You really don't need ES to put out ranged damage and Infiltrate is only really good when you're going for revives or speed running

[balmy flume]

Might stick with my current VoC build then…
I do confess Ex Stance, I do sometimes like the outlines of enemies in dark areas.
Then again, I am running IAG, I can always just use the torch,

[terse idol]

Are you just pressing VOC after standing in the fart gas on the fart modifier?

For the voc penance?

[tall torrent]

Drop all ur toughness in pox gas, then VoC
U can farm for 2~2.5k progress per pox gas mission

Possibly more if ur team allows u to

[balmy flume]

For VoC, am I right in thinking the revive shout is a trap still?

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

It is

[balmy flume]

Thx

[terse idol]

Unless you know exactly how to use it

You'll probably kill your team more

Than actually clutching

Also, increased cooldown on voc sucks

[balmy flume]

Which is extra funny now, because I kept my Combat Ability cool-down curios.
I am now Darktide’s version of a TF2 medic.

[terse idol]

Yeepees

[balmy flume]

Just spam shout to heal self/buff team attacks.

Marksman on the left tree - does the weakspot damage apply to close combat weapons too?

[tall torrent]

Yes

It’s also not weakspot dmg

It’s +20% power to weakspot hits

[balmy flume]

Ah ok, thanks. Will keep that node then.

[winter grove]

Ok what do y'all think of this
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd51d34-807d-4f7f-9fcc-c639a785d299/stealth-taxes-invisible-irs

[sonic rain]

Watching a knife zealot take an ammo box to restore 2 throwing knives while I'm completely out of ammo

I have ascended to a new state of being

[tiny summit]

And then you see him miss with the knife

[winter grove]

This is why stealth zealots are okay to bully

[sonic rain]

It cost me my auric streak too

[quick seal]

what does this mean

my weapon's secondary action is a flashlight

or a bash

[tall torrent]

It’s aiming down sights

[quick seal]

ohhhh

lol ok thx

[crude fiber]

just had a 1000 plasteel game

[cosmic needle]

which is better for a headhunter autogun? i have not played in a while so i dont remember

[winter grove]

Hit 4 headshots in one volley fire without missing

[quick seal]

you think 4 headshots in a row easier to do with slow weapons (revolvers) to pace your shots? or a fast weapon?

[winter grove]

1st pic iirc

[winter grove]

Idk I did that with Lasguns Ia

[crude fiber]

revolver shots have huge ass hit boxes so its easier to hit heads with it

[fresh mango]

hello roughnecks, is this any good?

[cosmic needle]

2 questions, which is the best hellbore lasgun and which is the best shovel?

[winter grove]

It's a good roll of a bad weapon

[fresh mango]

aw recon is bad?

[winter grove]

Mk1 and Mk2 hellbores, that comes to preference

[winter grove]

Yup yup

[crude fiber]

great base stats, deathspitter is decent, everything else is bad imo

[cosmic needle]

which does more chunky damage? for the lasguns

[winter grove]

Mk1 and mk2 regular shots are identical I think

Mk2 has faster charging shot
Mk1 has better damage per charged shot

Both have shit iron sights

[fresh mango]

Thats a shame

[winter grove]

If you want automatic weapons try IAGs

[cosmic needle]

is the new revolver good for precision builds?

[winter grove]

Nope

Agri is a close range weapon

Zarona is about precision

[cosmic needle]

@winter grove is the mkIII helbore not good?

[winter grove]

The bayonet is really really bad

[last parcel]

it's more niche than the others

[cosmic needle]

now time to find a shovel i like

[last parcel]

the bayonet does about the same damage at like a third of the speed

[winter grove]

Just get a mk7, it's a no brainer

[last parcel]

and in case you do want an explanation, mk7 has wide heavy swings and the switch mode lets you shit out a crazy amount of single target damage

[winter grove]

Still no reviews of this funny thing

[last parcel]

you don't use Overwatch? where else do you get your porn from?

[terse idol]

Ataxe

[last parcel]

i think that was the point of the build

[winter grove]

I forgot what overwatch talent is

[last parcel]

+1 stealth use but slower recharge

[winter grove]

Oh that

Not a fan

[sinful jacinth]

You have more up time with it though.

[terse idol]

What is that, picking a not so good axe?
Jokes aside eh

No close quarters engagement, no suprise attack

[umbral garnet]

Fucking hell Elite/Specialist WP Crits sucked ass.

Finally got it, though.

UGH

[terse idol]

2 point dip for automatic krak respawn is meh

Because you got revolver

Will delete crushers anywaays

[umbral garnet]

Now Krak.

Gonna start krakking my skull open at the sheer tediousness of this penance.

[terse idol]

In the grand scheme of things I think you could get rid of grenade regen, because you're not that contested in most maps,
Especially if you have a 1 of each class pub game

And it just gets better if you have 2 psykers

[sinful jacinth]

Wouldn't be fun if everyone could do it over night right?

[umbral garnet]

Yes, but 500?

C'mon, it would've been nice to give us, like

[terse idol]

Over time it's fiine

[umbral garnet]

350

But I understand, 500 is a nice round number.

[sinful jacinth]

I'm at 80... xD

[terse idol]

You probably don't want to burn yourself out by just grinding one penance for sure

[umbral garnet]

Already did that with Weapon's Spec.

[sinful jacinth]

Throw krak. Armored mob dies by teammate before it goes off.

[umbral garnet]

I have the patience of a saint.

Though, grinding that penance gave me a new-found love for Weapon Spec.

Melee go brrr

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

Ah, it's all worth it, I have the poster armour now, I am happy.

[fresh mango]

krak nade penance wet fucking dream holy shit

[frank monolith]

hey i think that might have been me, i sometimes accidentally take up big ammo thinking its plassteal

[frank monolith]

i feel like melee only would be better to clup up crusher/mauler

[fresh mango]

i feel im still gonna get a load of em anyway

[winter grove]

I like having 10% more rending than second stealth ult

[sinful jacinth]

Depends if you want to finish up penance faster. I don't run second stealth either.

[winter grove]

I've already done penances

That's not build for penances either

[umbral scaffold]

Second stealth is gamer

[somber axle]

I rank them like this:

Mk II >>> MK III >= MK I

Mk II: Hardest to get a good roll for because it needs so much to even be worth more than the Mk I. You need high damage, high stopping power, high charge rate. If you have a Mk I with better in any of those the Mk I is better I think. You want Surgical and Weight of Fire (there's an argument for No Respite over WoF considering the Mk II is the fastest firing but imo WoF > NR) But a god roll Mk II leaves a Mk I in the dust. Both Mk II and Mk I have the best bayonet special attack

Mk III is for one shot one kill gameplay. Very high damage and I think with the right talent build you can even one shot Crushers with it. Very ammo efficient but also very slow. AWFUL bayonet swing which is make or break for many, and it is definitely break for me. But the 1HKO potential makes me rank it higher than the Mk I just because I think it's funnier

[umbral scaffold]

By the way

The bayonet on the mk3 swings faster if you hold and release

[somber axle]

Oh I almost forgot. Even with good damage, stopping power, charge rate, surgical and weight of fire you also want unarmoured on the Mk II to hit an important breakpoint but I can't remember what that breakpoint is off the top of my head

[umbral scaffold]

Tapping makes it stop and think about what it had for lunch

Shooter bodyshot perchance?

[somber axle]

Might be that

[umbral scaffold]

Either that or gunner headshot, I think

[somber axle]

I forgor

I know I watched a YouTube video doing a big break down on every Helbore and what they need

I just forgor what it was

[terse idol]

Darktide content creators when it's a coinflip if they got something right or wrong

[umbral scaffold]

I will keep suggesting things to make you feel bad for not remembering

[somber axle]

I am immune to feeling any sort of shame

[umbral scaffold]

Oh

A fellow knife vet

[somber axle]

I run Recon Mk VId and everyone, me included, thinks I am a clown for it

[last parcel]

recon chad

[vocal cipher]

As a MK3 user with an at least half decent build, it can one shot even if you’re a brainlet like me… not crushers or maulers but being able to 2-3 shot them is still pretty good

[somber axle]

I also use knife sometimes yes

[winter grove]

I am going to do stealth taxe build

You call yourself shameless?

[umbral scaffold]

Damn brother, I thought you were a clown like me

[somber axle]

I will use literally any weapon except Recon Mk II and Shredder Autopistol on Vet (but I prefer not to use CIAG or Plasma because they make the game too easy imo)

[umbral scaffold]

But you're actually the whole parliament with that recon

No cap ong str8 bussin

[terse idol]

Which one is the slowest firing recon

The worst one

[umbral scaffold]

7d

[winter grove]

Worst one is Mk2

[umbral scaffold]

YOU SAY THAT TO MY FACE

[winter grove]

It's unironically the worst gun in game

[last parcel]

that'

s why i run it on my psyker

[somber axle]

I think there's a really dumb and impractical way to 1HKO Crusher heads with Marksman's Focus, Executioner's Stance, Elite 15%, Ogryn 20%, etc. just stack everything on top of everything and with enough ranged finesse power stacks from Marksman's Focus and a lucky crit on a headshot it can make the 1HKO

[last parcel]

focus target is enough

[winter grove]

I remember some fellow trying to make recons work on psyker

Feel bad for him

[somber axle]

Does Focus Target with the 8 stacks node make it hit the 1HKO breakpoint on Crusher?

[last parcel]

4

if you have +25% crpc perk

[vocal cipher]

Probably but my builds meant to mostly kill shooters, specials and maybe some maniacs and maulers every now and again

[terse idol]

Oh righy

It is the inbetween recon that's the worst

[somber axle]

I wanna play with it when I get home to see how much the Mk III needs to 1HKO Crushers tbh

Because only Plasma can also 1HKO Crushers on a charged shot and literally no Vet is charging the Plasma tbh

[last parcel]

remind me and i can send you sme stuff later

[somber axle]

I mean like of the Vet ranged

Though maybe Revolver too? But idk about that one

I know Power Sword VI can get 1HKO potential on a Crusher with the right build

[tame lodge]

Seeing all this recon talk really makes me want to build a Punishing Salvo + Sustained Fire build....

[somber axle]

Desperado and Focus Target turn it into a Crusher 1 tap machine (but idk what other talents it needs to achieve 1HKO Crusher potential)

Maybe it also needs 15% elite and 20% ogryn nodes

I know usually Power Sword needs charge shove poke into 2 light swings to kill a Crusher consistently

But you can talent into one shot potential with it

Whoops edited because I made a mistake

Not plasma VI, power sword VI

Fold Shovel can also 1HKO Crushers too I think

And those are all the weapons I'm aware of with 1HKO potential on Crushers

[winter grove]

Yes it can

[somber axle]

Slowest firing is Recon Mk VIIa but it gets highest per shot damage and according to other users better modifiers toward armour types than the other two. Mk VId is my baby and she requires literally every trick in the Vet's arsenal to make her work but when she works she can do this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229154086952112158/sneakyclownreconft.gif?ex=662ea5f2&is=661c30f2&hm=f085c8fb883f3ade7dffd3bb956f4df463f93522c777799442c823dd9b50cb49&

[bitter turtle]

the main benefit of 7 is piercing through trash

[somber axle]

Mk II is the worst imo because it lacks the fire rate of the Mk VId and lacks the per shot damage of the Mk VIIa

Oh right yeah the Mk VIIa also cleaves

[bitter turtle]

and yes

VII is the slowest firing

[somber axle]

I forgor again thanks

[bitter turtle]

im inclined to say it is the best variant after playing with someone from here at one point

but ive been saving my plasteel instead of spending it to try one myself

[somber axle]

I should give the VIIa another try because I took one into the Psykanium and was disappointed with how it couldn't kill Crushers anywhere near as good as my VId

[bitter turtle]

probably the correct direction to take recon

is not to do the crusher meme tbh

[somber axle]

But not every weapon needs to kill Crushers to be good

[bitter turtle]

and just dump all the points into making it good against everything else

onslaught is expensive in points for a tree that's already stretched thin

[somber axle]

I just really hate Crushers because 9 times out of 10 they're why a Damnation run ends in a wipe

Wall of Carapace that my squad is too scared to engage

They get backed into a corner and die

[bitter turtle]

just throw a shredder frag

or two

[somber axle]

If I don't have fast Crusher kill potential I will be overwhelmed too

[bitter turtle]

and then poke their eyes with your psword or something

[winter grove]

It's not your opinion

Recon Mk2 is regarded as the worst gun in darktide

[bitter turtle]

idk

i actually think

shredder autopistol is pretty down there

at least mk2 can use shocktrooper to huff less ammo post surv nerf

[winter grove]

Shredder at least can regen Toughness on demand

[bitter turtle]

[somber axle]

But I don't use Power Sword. I got a Power Sword VI and a Power Sword III with Power Cycler IV on both, Brutal Momentum IV, Carapace damage and Unyielding and got bored of them both quick because they're so strong but also make you so slow

[gritty zenith]

Peegun best gun cause it guns pee all over the place

[winter grove]

It probably outdps Mk2 recon too

[bitter turtle]

honestly

im curious now

which is worse

let m e try

they are definitely bottom 2

but who will reign supreme

[gritty zenith]

I member shredder being the undisputed meta, it didn't get nerfed THAT hard that it'd be literal worst gun I would think

[somber axle]

Shredder has good Maniac damage for shredding through ragers, muties, most specials and also very good suppression for putting enemy guns down if the squad is being Swiss cheesed too hard but otherwise is eh

[somber axle]

It's just that other guns outclass it to such a massive degree

[bitter turtle]

is

-80% damage

[winter grove]

Also that

[bitter turtle]

a "hard enough" nerf for you

[winter grove]

Recon doesn't even have THAT

[bitter turtle]

cause that's what it got

effectively

[somber axle]

CIAG, AIAG, GIAG all do everything Shredder does but better at longer ranges against literally everything including Carapace

Shredder got left in the dust and is just a meme weapon for burning through ammo faster than anything short of a Boltgun Vet spamming full auto or a Recon Vet without a crit/Shock Trooper build

[umbral scaffold]

Remember when it was goated

[somber axle]

I really want to love the Shredder Autopistol but even with Rending/Onslaught she just doesn't perform to a funny enough degree for this clown

[bitter turtle]

yes i remember when pinning fire gave +100% damage

[umbral scaffold]

Based

[somber axle]

Even Braced Autoguns are better at what Shredder Autopistol does than Shredder Autopistol

No reason to use Autopistol unless you like it

[bitter turtle]

shredder autopistol should be able to shoot while sprinting

built in run and gun

[somber axle]

That would be nice

[bitter turtle]

probaly would be still shit

but fun at least

[somber axle]

It would at least give it funny meme potential for sprinting alongside Knife Zealots and racing them for kills

[serene bough]

i wish shredder was better

[somber axle]

Same

I would use Shredder Autopistol exclusively with my Catachan outfit

I like the aesthetic

Just not the performance

[serene bough]

idk what role it should really fill

[tiny summit]

For a weapon that has bonus dmg on suppressed enemies it feels like it does fuck all notbing

[serene bough]

a lot of guns can shred maniac

[serene sage]

wait you around? wanna play?

[tiny summit]

Well for one it should probably be mobile yet it feels like your walk speed while mag dumping it is like the heaviest gun in the game

[bitter turtle]

shiet

i just started one

let me leave

but sure

we can play one

[serene sage]

okay after then

[winter grove]

Oh I just read taxes are good at stunlocking shit

Man that abbreviation sure is funny

[serene sage]

just finish yours ill join after

[bitter turtle]

nah

i just left

etc

i sapwend in with like 30% hp and mostly corruption anyway

[serene sage]

bet

[bitter turtle]

smh when are they goaing to fix auric storm survivor

i want my title 😔

[serene sage]

do i have you on DT?

i swear we added?

[somber axle]

It should probably have near instant swap time, instantly ready to fire on swap and let you have melee weapon-esque mobility. The Run and Gun idea sounds good too. Double down on making it a fast weapon for highly mobile playstyle imo

[bitter turtle]

looks like you found me anyway

aaa

i crashed

[serene sage]

ahhh

something never changes

[soft solstice]

it's weird that the penance for using weapon specialist is so specific compared to the other 2

why couldn't it just be getting killed while under the effects of it weapon specialist rather than crit weakspot on specials

[bitter turtle]

well

you're guaranteed a crit anyway

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s a grind

[final locust]

new update good?

[bitter turtle]

and most weapons that prefer that keystone want to shoot head anyway

[tall torrent]

I’m at 218/250 for that then I’m gonna drop weapon specialist

[soft solstice]

focus target and marksman's focus are much more straight forward

[tall torrent]

Krak 268/500 rn

[bitter turtle]

the krak one i gave up on

im just gonna let it fin ish when it finishes

[serene sage]

what if i just never use krak

how do I ever complete that

[tame lodge]

Just when I thought I could get away from Krak grenades

[tall torrent]

Well there’s a green leg piece cosmetic for doing that

[tame lodge]

We are so back

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to do every single penance for Moebian 6th Armor

[bitter turtle]

im back on btw

[last parcel]

hi back on btw

[bitter turtle]

thanks

[tall torrent]

Total penance points rn is 4835, u can afford to not do 335 penance points

Easiest way to rack up penance points rn is to auric damnation every mission

[bitter turtle]

the barrel ones are meme

honest to god

[tall torrent]

It’s a huge chunk of penance points

[bitter turtle]

i dont think ive killed more than 100 enemies

[tall torrent]

50 for every map

[bitter turtle]

with barrels

in the history of the entire game

[serene sage]

im psyker man now

[tall torrent]

It’s hard because it doesn’t count flame barrels

[bitter turtle]

wpw

wow*

[tame lodge]

Damn

[bitter turtle]

so that's even worse than i thoguht

[tall torrent]

I have 26 rn

Lmao

Poxburster one is ez tho

[bitter turtle]

i have 7 (seven)

cant they just idk

[tall torrent]

Poxburster I’m at 86/100

[bitter turtle]

buff the barrel dmg vs enemies

those things are more harmful to us than them

[tall torrent]

Just skip that one

It’s only 25 penance points

[serene sage]

lots of penaces are sadge

[tall torrent]

You can afford to skip 335

[serene sage]

anyone wanna team up and finish them?

[tall torrent]

Hardest class-based penances by far are on zealot

[tall torrent]

NA server?

[serene sage]

yeah

[trim steppe]

I feel like the new Krak nade penance (500 armored kills) will take disproportionately longer than all the other new vet penances

[tall torrent]

I can join for 1~2 games

[trim steppe]

I get like 10ish per mission

[bitter turtle]

for vet? yeah its the longest one

[tall torrent]

Which penances we doing

[serene sage]

justine?

[bitter turtle]

idk about the others

i disconnected

[serene sage]

where are you 😭

[bitter turtle]

reconnecting atm

[serene sage]

im scared

[last parcel]

NOOOOOOOO JUSTINE

DONT GO TOWARDS THE LI GHT

[tall torrent]

U guys add me

[wide anvil]

Hmm no stopping power

Firing nerf darts eh

[woeful galleon]

Lovingly caressing the moebian's face with each shot

[wide anvil]

Call that love tape

[somber axle]

I have one with 0% damage

I call her my flashlight

[woeful galleon]

How

[wide anvil]

Mmm...

Meh I guess it's a'ight until I get a better one

Broke on Dockets somehow

[woeful galleon]

Should do the job at least

[somber axle]

A clown's luck

[woeful galleon]

In a way that's kinda gorgeous. A treasure in itself

[somber axle]

I want to play with her and see if she's like a Recon with a knife

[woeful galleon]

It like one of those philosophical stories about a weapon that doesn't wish to harm anyone anymore.

[somber axle]

I'm keeping her because she's the only 0% weapon I've seen in all my casino brunt's games, brunt shop checking, emperor's gifts and melk shop checking

I've had a few 3% damage weapons