veteran-class

[wise fossil]

Sweet

[crude fiber]

Slug causes more stagger then bolter lmao

[stark hinge]

The new hab dreyko level is so good

[last parcel]

we live in a society

[somber axle]

Agripina Shotgun special shot gameplay coming back to light

bolt action rifle gameplay reloading special after every shot

bliss

[tall torrent]

146/500 krak grenade kills

500 krak kill is actually the most grindy one for veteran it seems

[stark hinge]

Isn’t that challenge only for 10 penance points

[wise fossil]

Yeah I'm never getting that 💀

[tall torrent]

10 adds up

[somber axle]

what if you run a really goofy build with the +1 nade in reserve, +1 nade per min, 5% chance on elite/special kill nade regen and go 20% nade double toss?

[crude fiber]

Working on that too, figured I'd just run every grenade talent while also aoing other penances

[stark hinge]

Going for that would make my brain melt out of my ears

[somber axle]

could speed through it faster

just never stop throwing krak

[tall torrent]

I don’t have twinned blast rn

[radiant chasm]

bolters weren't meant for AP obv

[tall torrent]

I’m going for infiltrate’s 750 suppressed enemies

[radiant chasm]

slug is /qj

[somber axle]

that's fair

[crude fiber]

Rightrightright

[somber axle]

grabbing every possible grenade talent might make it a little less awful

[stark hinge]

The infiltrate and smoke challenges go by very very quickly

[tall torrent]

Krak is not that bad with the bulwark change

[radiant chasm]

krak is never bad

[crude fiber]

Twinned blast is meme talent if using kraks

[stark hinge]

I just am too much of a frag and smoke enjoyer personally

[radiant chasm]

basically only works sometimes on monstros, or if you throw it into a big pack of armor

[crude fiber]

MAYBE for boss damage otherwise please dont

[somber axle]

yeah but just keep throwing and gamble on maybe deleting a Plogryn instantly with a magical 6 krak grenade toss

[crude fiber]

Ok that would be pretty funny

[radiant chasm]

which has come in handy before, absolutely filled the kill feed with crushers and bulwarks that were all scrunched together

[tall torrent]

I actually hate the homing mechanic

I aim directly at crusher
It homes to a nearby mauler helmet

[crude fiber]

4 vets all toss 6 Kraks at a boss and it gibs

[tall torrent]

Mauler gets decimated by an evicerator

Then krak goes off

[somber axle]

The Chaos Spawn when all 4 Vets throw their Krak at once:

https://tenor.com/view/water-balloon-cry-boy-child-fear-gif-24749838

[crude fiber]

Does grenade tinkerer do anything for kraks besides more boss damage?

[somber axle]

just more boss damage

[tall torrent]

👍

[somber axle]

everything else dies in 1 krak

[stark hinge]

Can ogryn still stunlock flesh bag with the shovel?

[wise fossil]

Yeah I don't think I'll going to quit picking survivalist. It's not even that it's good, it's that it's immediately underneath frags

[tall torrent]

Well if u want to count krak’s AOE dmg being a bit better

[crude fiber]

They 1 shot bulwark if you stick their shield with tinkerer?

[tall torrent]

They one shot bulwark if stick, period

Tinkerer not needed for that

[wise fossil]

Maybe I'll do more research into breakpoint requirements and use the 5%

[tall torrent]

I would suggest u try smokes for melee centric builds

[somber axle]

tinkerer is just if you want to go all in on the meme of throwing as much krak as possible with twinned blast, grenadier, demo stockpile and demo team talents for all the krak in the world

[wise fossil]

I was honestly considering smokes for use with the enemy highlight for teammates ability

[radiant chasm]

yea, I woudln't invest too much into kraks outside of aurics where you can face armor packs large enough to use them on

[somber axle]

it could be extra funny if it just deleted a daemonhost

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

y'all got any more krak

[radiant chasm]

4 vets doing krak off a daemonhost

[tall torrent]

Not rly for that

[somber axle]

Wolfer thinks stims are keeping his men out of their minds

they don't know about the krak tide we're about to unleash

[crude fiber]

But I need 500 armor kills with them

[somber axle]

sounds like a party to me

[radiant chasm]

then you only really need the regen talents, not the damage or twins usually

[wise fossil]

One time I tried smokes I would throw them down and enemies would just stop shooting me and start shooting an ally instead

Didn't really find them to be all that useful

[tall torrent]

It’s basically Psyker’s shield

[crude fiber]

Does anyone know what enemies count for that penance? Is it just the enemies the Kraks lock onto or do scab ragers/gunners count too?

[tall torrent]

If ur team is outside of it they’re still getting shot

[stark hinge]

Were you tossing them at your feet?

[tall torrent]

I genuinely have no clue I just throw them at mauler/crusher/bulwark/reaper

[somber axle]

twins has a very niche use in that the second nade tends to swing wide to the left or right so you could maybe sometimes catch a second bulwark/crusher/mauler/flak rager with RNG if they happen to be standing side by side and they weren't close enough/clipping into each other to all be deleted by the first krak

[crude fiber]

same

[somber axle]

but it's incredibly specific and unlikely

[wise fossil]

Except my team runs away from the smoke because they have trouble seeing enemies

[somber axle]

and not worth unless you want to gamble for memes on throwing all the krak on Plogryns/Burgles/Chaos Spawns

[tall torrent]

Their problem

[stark hinge]

The appeal of smokes in my opinion is turning enemy choke points into your choke points, and keeping dry from the raining bullets in open spots

[serene bough]

just want to finish smoke penance so I can go back to shredders

[wise fossil]

Whereas the shield gives everyone free toughness

[tall torrent]

Smoke also messes with specialists’ targeting

Making them a bit dumber

[wise fossil]

Me or some center point between multiple teammates

[somber axle]

sometimes dogs will just panic and run in circles when you're in smoke

and never leap

very funny

[tall torrent]

Flamer also does weird things in smoke

Mutant too

[stark hinge]

Generally you just want to use them to break line of sight to either get them to move or melee rush you, smoking yourself sort of traps you

[serene bough]

smokes just make the enemy Ai dumber in general

[stark hinge]

I love it

[wise fossil]

I'll give this a shot

[crude fiber]

Anyone have an idol guide up yet want that free 200 plasteel

[wise fossil]

So it's really not like shield

[stark hinge]

You won’t be disappointed brother

[wise fossil]

In terms of positioning

[tall torrent]

It’s like Psyker’s dome but different

Dome u almost always cast on urself

Smoke has functionally more range and depending on the situation u can flush enemies out, or cover ur team as they reposition

Or smoke ur own position and be very safe from ranged attacks

Depends on situation

[stark hinge]

The best part about smokes is filling a corridor and forcing all the shooters to come and melee you

[tall torrent]

I’ll also say that

Tinkerer for smoke sounds very funny and is very funny

[somber axle]

double duration smokes LOL

30 sec smoke cloud on one nade

[tall torrent]

30s smoke lasts longer than Psyker’s dome (25s)

And means only 30s downtime in combat when there’s no smoke available

[serene bough]

how do we feel about new survivalist

[somber axle]

if you chain the nades to keep one smoke cloud down at all times with the 1 min nade regen talent you can get off 2 minutes 30 seconds worth of smoke in one spot

[wise fossil]

Constant cloud

[stark hinge]

Wouldn’t it be redundant if the smoke just gets them to move out of the way to a different angle?

[wise fossil]

Gang weed build

Summer concert

[somber axle]

is this practical? no but it IS funny

[tall torrent]

It’s still cover for u if you’re engaged in melee

[somber axle]

and smokes are really good when you use them in a more practical way

[tall torrent]

They take time to reposition, usually enough time for u to be done with melee

[stark hinge]

True but you’re stuck in the space you created for yourself

By the time they reposition if you get forced out of the smoke you get fried

[somber axle]

tbh I don't use plasma or boltgun so I haven't noticed any change to my gameplay despite the nerf

[tiny summit]

Twinned smokes the goat

[somber axle]

ammo econ is still strong and I was drowning in ammo the last mission I ran

it's fine

surv aura nerf is probably warranted and makes plasma more balanced in a very weird way

[tall torrent]

If u get forced out of the smoke and the smoke is still between u and the ranged enemies, they still can’t shoot u because you already broke line of sight when u entered the smoke

[somber axle]

plasma vets will be ammo hungry going forward

[tall torrent]

And now smoke acts as a “wall” for them

[serene bough]

surv nerf balances out weapons like revolver, ciag (?), and plasma for sure

[pallid jetty]

lmao just pick all the grenade buffs in the tree and spam these

[stark hinge]

I guess it’s very situationally based on your environment

[tall torrent]

Columnus not as much
Revolver & plasma yes

[somber axle]

say good bye to infinite ammo revolver I guess

it still has strong ammo econ even despite the nerf imo but you can't just play a mission picking up literally 0 tins/packs

[radiant chasm]

i would throw that under "auric"-like difficulty

[somber axle]

500 krak kill speedrun strats: throw yourself into auric damnation and hunt for crusher/mauler/flak rager squads

[unique sorrel]

plas ammo really was overtuned

[somber axle]

pray twin blast procs

[tall torrent]

Watch as a zealot cooks them all in record time

[somber axle]

throw krak, zealot charges at them, the targets are dead before the krak goes off

every time

[stark hinge]

Maybe we should just play zealot instead

[serene bough]

the twinned blast krak grenade strat is finally here

show how efficient you are by sticking 2 kraks at once

[somber axle]

I did and it's very funny in its own way but I want my funny with a bit more gunny

[serene bough]

farm that penance ASAP

[stark hinge]

Calling everyone imbeciles is the best part of darktide

[tall torrent]

They rly should reduce krak’s fuse time after sticking

2s fuse after sticking is crazy

[somber axle]

that would be a nice buff

[tall torrent]

It should just go off in like 0.2s

[somber axle]

even just dropping it a half second would make it feel SO much better

it's so slow right now

[serene bough]

personally think Kraks should have the highest grenade count of all the options as well

[stark hinge]

I want a flesh imploding sound effect for when you stick them to bosses

[somber axle]

if you want to be extra selfish grab field improv for full grenade restore on ammo pack, hoard your ammo pack selfishly, then keep grabbing it for more and more grenades

your group will hate you

[tall torrent]

I’m very happy with the new veteran penance drip tho

[somber axle]

but if you have grenadier for +1 nade in reserve

that's 12 kraks back to back

wait

15

I forgor to count the nades you start with

[worthy escarp]

Aparently we will get the mask-helmet combo next update which is set for the last week/end of April

[somber axle]

imagine throwing 15 krak

[stark hinge]

If you got field improv give ogryn 4 extra nukes

[worthy escarp]

So look foward to that if it's on time

[serene bough]

its not the worst idea if you're running shredders to eat up an ammo box

[tall torrent]

What’s the source

[worthy escarp]

The Fourm post

Does no one read it?

[tall torrent]

Link?

I never saw anything mentioning next update

Maybe I missed it

[rare bough]

Hello, this is my Commissar build

Melee: Mk VI PSword with Brutal Momentum and Power Cycler, +10% Weakspot dmg +2 Stamina
Ranged: Mk IIa Revolver with Hand-Cannon and Surgical, +25% carapace +5% critical

I run this on Auric and do really well with it. I find it to be more durable and damaging than Zealot as a melee focused build.
However I'm looking for some keen eyes to give me any advice on where I can make improvements.
I know some people knock suppression immunity, but I feel like I need it for quick-sniping gunners when under heavy fire (not a fan of my screen shaking around)

Biggest drawback of this build, I think, is how slow he moves. But I don't think that can be fixed without substantial reworking.
Would love to get that extra 10% attack speed, but dunno if anything is worth dropping for it.

Thoughts?

[pallid jetty]

+aura radius is useless in my opinion

[serene bough]

may want to lose charismatic & rending strikes for more Focus Target perks

[rare bough]

Nah I need it to keep up toughness

[serene bough]

determined also not necessary depending on your weapon

[somber axle]

if you drop charismatic you can grab Target Down in the nodes below Focus Target

[pallid jetty]

is aura radius same as coherency radius?

like ogryn's?

[somber axle]

it'll give you back toughness very consistently if you mark specials/elites frequently

[serene bough]

yeah

[rare bough]

IIa revolver

[somber axle]

it'll be better overall for toughness

[pallid jetty]

yeah, just drop aura radius

[somber axle]

even if a team mate kills the marked target you'll restore your own toughness/stam and also the toughness/stam of the team too

Target Down is just very good with Focus Target

even without funny triple stam curio deadshot meme builds

[worthy escarp]

My bad, I assumed there were two updates as it said late April...Didn't consider 1 day over half the month 'late'

😆

[rare bough]

I find close order drill works well with charismatic, that's why I have it, but will test without

[serene bough]

im also not a fan of wasting a point on exploit weakness

[somber axle]

Ooo I hadn't considered that

then maybe the TDR is worth keeping

drop the 10% rending instead then

[serene bough]

if you want to put a point in that tree better to just take 25+ toughness

[tall torrent]

+weakspot dmg perk is bad because the maths doesn’t work in ur favour
+2 stamina is ok but usually Mk6 power sword wants carapace/maniac/unyielding

Zarona revolver wants hand cannon + surgical, elite + maniac, this gives the best 1 shot consistency possible

You don’t rly need +50% aura radius imo, and 10% rending is redundant for both of your weapons
Covering fire (above aura) is quite bad for revolver since you won’t be shooting it as much without survivalist aura

[somber axle]

it's probably doing nothing for your revolver/power sword

[worthy escarp]

Just waiting on this second part @tall torrent also sorry my bad it's just been a while since I read the fourm post

[somber axle]

unless the 10% rending is helping hit a breakpoint it's not worth

[tall torrent]

All good

I’m gonna finish infiltrate 750 suppress for the black Armor drip

[rare bough]

yeah covering fire aint great I agree

[rare bough]

not sure, haven't tested to that extent

[somber axle]

between hand cannon and surgical you should have enough rending to 2 tap a Crusher head consistently I think

without the 10% rending

but it's been forever since I've played with my revolver

so I can't say for sure

[serene bough]

were i using your build i'd modify to this @rare bough

[stark hinge]

I’m assuming they’re gonna go the cash grab route with the cooler moebian 6th armor in hallowettes shoo

[tall torrent]

Revolver needs 30% weakspot

[serene bough]

oop forgot weakspot

[tall torrent]

And most likely deadshot since he’s not going for weapon specialist’s crits

[serene bough]

i dislike deadshot w/o duck n dive

[rare bough]

yeah was gunna say haha

[tall torrent]

Well it’s a revolver he’s not gonna stay shooting it for very long anyways

[stark hinge]

True

[serene bough]

i guess

i avoid deadshot personally

[stark hinge]

I never like sacrificing stamina

[somber axle]

hey weird question

what does this frame mean

[rare bough]

I barely use grenades too, only when I really have to. I can honestly handle most situations without them

[tall torrent]

It’s from WH+ subscription iirc

[somber axle]

ah ok

[serene bough]

at any rate, you could remove field improv for weakspot bonus or one of the focus target perks. I guess if you wanna run deadshot then definitely take Target Down!

[rare bough]

that's a frame I will never have lol

[sinful jacinth]

Where you watch the series?

Or animation.

[serene bough]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Not sure, I don’t subscribe to it

[serene bough]

idk if you can still get it or if it was a promotion

[sinful jacinth]

Neither do I. :p

[rare bough]

Alright, will evaluate based on advice, cheers guys

[tall torrent]

Wait
This Armor isn’t included in today’s update
Maybe future penance expansion

[sinful jacinth]

Those gauntlets make it look cool.

[serene bough]

stealth penance

[tall torrent]

That one is different

[serene bough]

or is it slightly different

i see

[rare bough]

Charismatic works to boost Close Order Drill and Duty and Honour, so I'm reluctant to drop it tbh

[tall torrent]

It’s not the most impactful talent out there

[rare bough]

I dunno, not saying its amazing, but I can more often boost my whole teams toughness and have a consitantly higher toughness rating because of it

[tall torrent]

If u wanted to boost team toughness effectively, u should play plasma gun with gloryhunter and born leader

[serene bough]

if you want to make a greater impact on your teams toughness you'd grab target down

[rare bough]

Nah I'm sticking to revolver for this build

[tall torrent]

So don’t think about boosting team toughness too much

[rare bough]

unless they come out with a bolt pistol lol

[stark hinge]

I would avoid going all in to support your team at your own detriment, can’t boost their toughness if you get stuck at a respawn totem. But that’s just my point of view

[rare bough]

It does make a difference when the shit storm rolls in

[stark hinge]

I think the thing that makes teams crumble is being too slow at killing specialist and failing to keep space

[rare bough]

I'm usually at the front with melee, I can also clear room for the team and give space and toughness breathing room. What can I say, I'm a team player

[tall torrent]

It’s not nearly as impactful as stuff like demo team, redirect fire, target down or other talents that actually improve breakpoints

Also I just realized u took exploit weakness
You don’t need that for power sword, ever

[rare bough]

deff carry more often than not with this build

[stark hinge]

Just means you’re good brother

[rare bough]

Right, will drop exploit weakness

[serene bough]

i still think you should drop charismatic for Focus Target related perks

it's just miles better

[stark hinge]

The most important thing is playing what’s fun for you, if you want to do your best role play as a commissar than go for it

[rare bough]

So I drop Exploit Weakness and Rending Strikes. I hope that doesn't fux with my breakpoints (not that I've properly tested)

I'm gunna keep charismatic for now, going with my gut on that one lol

[tall torrent]

It shouldn’t

Exploit weakness isn’t useful most of the time

[stark hinge]

You won’t have to worry about armor, your build is like a brick wall against armored units

[rare bough]

it sure is

[orchid nova]

You know. A thought occurs.

[fresh mango]

[tall torrent]

Stopping power too low

[fresh mango]

yeah no duh

[orchid nova]

Maybe survivalist needing a CD should be a message to the devs who think fifty dozen elites every second is a good idea

[stark hinge]

You have kraks, rending revo, and power sword, missing %10 rending at worst could occasionally affect a couple revolver breakpoints

[rare bough]

swapping cover fire for grenade tinkerer, I guess that will help clear bosses quicker (although I mulch them pretty quick

Got a spare point, should I drop it on +25 toughness? or is there something else worth taking

[hearty panther]

oh no, i cant believe difficulties below heresy are a bad idea

[stark hinge]

Power sword is unbelievably good at killing bosses but the hard part is dodging

The higher your toughness ceiling the longer you’ll have your %50 dmg negation

[fresh mango]

Alright, what blessing should I look for?

[rare bough]

I have a mod that tells me if I can dodge, timing down pretty well

[tall torrent]

Full bore + no respite

[stark hinge]

Oh damn you don’t have that perk Nevermind

[somber axle]

Full Bore/No Respite imo

[rare bough]

the classic

[somber axle]

Full Bore makes the slug extra funny

[fresh mango]

whats full bore do? never seen it before

[somber axle]

More power when all pellets hit target

[rare bough]

Turns your agri special slug into a super sniper round

[lucid sail]

75 lol

[tall torrent]

IV: Hitting all real pellets on a single enemy gives u +20% ranged power for 5s

[fresh mango]

is mk3 good enough?

[tall torrent]

18% is still good

Not a big deal

[fresh mango]

oh 2% difference lol

[rare bough]

btw the perks on my Psword are locked in. I needed to change out the blessings. I need to roll out a new sword. I don't even have Power Cycler 4.

This isn't even my final form yet

Okay, how's this look?
I'm gunna keep Charismatic on for now (I know, I know) but can always swap it out later.

[serene bough]

its good

[stark hinge]

I fw it

[rare bough]

My thoughts on demo team, they can look after their own munitions supply

[serene bough]

maybe consider duck & dive and deadshot if you wanna move 2 more points around I suppose, but otherwise its good

[rare bough]

I already have Surgical blessing on revolver, which makes me not really worry about deadshot too much

If I drop charismatic later I might pick up duck and dive for la mobility

I do be dodging a lot

How should I do my Curios to round out the build you reckon?

[stark hinge]

Ordo dockets 😼

[somber axle]

Looking good imo! 😄

[rare bough]

I have toughness curios with 3x +4% combat ability regen, 2x +5% toughness, 2x +30% toughness regen speed, and +20% dmg resist gunners and sniper

If I could get more combat ability regen I would lol

[somber axle]

there's a funny thing with sniper damage resist to just tank a full sniper shot without any HP damage without VoC iirc but idk how many sniper damage resist perks you need on a curio for it

[rare bough]

Here he is btw

[winter grove]

Wait does poster boy chestplate also has a name on it?

Arlo Thomasson right?

[rare bough]

I take it Curios are good.

Cheers for the help guys 😘

[woeful ibex]

yeah every class have name reveal

[last parcel]

bro got doxxed 💀

[winter grove]

Yeah I did have an idea that poster fellas were The Canon rejects

[tame lodge]

I see them as Aurics but that's just me

[winter grove]

Same here

Might explain the 73-7 regiment

Or well uh

Strike group

[tall torrent]

They’re referred to as Darktide 7 as in there’re 7 of them

Veteran 2
Zealot 2
Psyker 2
Ogryn 1

[faint perch]

OKAY so, I have played a single match of High intensity shock troop, and agree with the way they chose to nerf vet

Cause like, they could have nerfed the strongest weapons in the game and left survivalist the same, but didn’t, instead they nerfed the thing that allows those weapons to run rampant

[winter grove]

Either way I knew they were kind of canon

[somber axle]

the puzzles are really fun

just did one with a quickplay team where we activated showers to open a hidden locker room with a martyr's skull for 200 plasteel

[fleet garden]

nerf weapons but leave ammo alone

[somber axle]

I had a funny mission where a Zealot would constantly take any ammo tin and ammo pack they'd find even going out of their way to sprint past me to take it before I did even when they were on white ammo and still never went completely empty on my gun

I think ammo is fine and new surv aura nerf isn't a big deal

[winter grove]

@tall torrent limbsplitter instead of thrust on mk7 shovel thoughts?

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t

Not a fan of limbsplitter

U can use it if u want

[winter grove]

I see

Then my Mk7 shovel isn't bricked in taht regard

[split sapphire]

So is skull crusher ok on a shovel? I mean it helps against groups and occasionally stunning mutants too

At least in terms of the standard issue model

[arctic rampart]

Folding Shovel
Flak + Maniac
Uncanny Strikes + Decimator / Skullcrusher***

Flak + Carapace
Uncanny Strikes + Thrust / Limbsplitter

[rigid pilot]

Limbsplitter isn't a cursing anymore so it's not the worst

[arctic rampart]

Standard Shovel
Flak + Maniac/Unarmored
Uncanny Strikes + Decimator
Uncanny Strikes + Take a Swing

Uncanny Strikes is mandatory. Decimator helps against hordes.
Take a Swing: Alternate option that allows the push attack to 1 shot enemies like Flamers and Scab Gunners. Can do significant damage to Crushers. Weaker horde performance.

[split sapphire]

So no on skull crusher then

[rigid pilot]

I like folding and thrust though, but lack of skullcrusher is indeed something

Folding and thrust lets you one shot crusher

[split sapphire]

I do not have a folding shovel rn

[arctic rampart]

Note from folding -- Skullcrusher can be effective on the Mk3 for light spam instead of Decimator. Not recommended for the Mk7 heavy spam. I guess cause light is strikedown and heavy is relentless ons tandard

[bright cliff]

does the damage multiplier even matter on brutal momentum

at least on the combat axes it's literally just there to make the cleave work

although I must say brutal momentum on the ogryn folder shovels makes for some silly gameplay

[serene sage]

we are so back chat

[rigid pilot]

Thrust brumo is so fun

[scenic basin]

Haven't played since the Vet skill tree rework. What's the talent skill tree build if I want to have executioner stance?

[pallid jetty]

so you're not even trying to make something yourself, but already asking for a game-ready tree... are u a redditor?

[placid portal]

Guh?

[wraith flare]

Some ppl just don’t want to spend time trying to make a build themselves and instead just play

[pallid jetty]

i think its just a very bad excuse

whatever

[scenic basin]

I made thisbut not sure it works

[thorny cobalt]

quite happy with the ability to rename characters

[placid portal]

Nice

[wraith flare]

With what weapon, regardless that seems questionable at best

[pallid jetty]

the +damage while no enemies near is useless most of the time

[scenic basin]

Lucius MK2 and powersword

[pallid jetty]

other things are fine if you're not using lasguns

[bitter turtle]

Skullcrusher only does something if you light spam on the shovels

Which is probably not a good idea for the standard and 7

[pallid jetty]

giving the outlile on ability for teammates is not good as well imo

[wraith flare]

I would never start with the left side of the tree, wastes a ton of points unless ur using bolter / revolver for the reload speed

[tiny summit]

Had 2 games so far. Oh yea the surv nerf does actually make ammo actually a resource lmao

[bitter turtle]

It doesn't really matter which side you start with since they all meet at the middle

[placid portal]

Still wont matter if I use my big game hunting rifle 😎

[tiny summit]

I love the left side for my lasguns and autoguns. I'm shooting at range and getting headshots anyways

[bitter turtle]

Confirmed kill isn't that amazing that you must take it after the nerf a while back

[pallid jetty]

+toughness on headshots is good, what are you talking about

[wraith flare]

Middle tree gives you more than enough toughness alone

[tiny summit]

Every poxwalker being a pinata is nice

[bitter turtle]

You realize left side also has a toughness restoration node right

[placid portal]

That's exhil no?

[bitter turtle]

You don't need ck if you take exhil

[pallid jetty]

?

i dont remember the passives names

who actually remembers them

[placid portal]

Dunno

[tiny summit]

Or take both and just always be regening toughness. Like my builds

[placid portal]

Dont sounds like confirm kill

[pallid jetty]

toughness regen on elite kill is still musthave

[placid portal]

Tru

Gotta steal all the elite kills to not instantly explode

[crude fiber]

any alpha gamers need/want to do any of the orthus penances? i have bell shortcut

[tiny summit]

Elite Kill Toughness is Confirmed Kill. Headshot Kill Toughness is Exhil Takedown

[wraith flare]

A terrible one but yes

[pallid jetty]

^some odd magic words right there

[placid portal]

Out for blood now recovers 5% toughness on kill now lol

[tiny summit]

Just had a game with shredder pistol. God...it feels so bad

[bitter turtle]

how is it terrible lol

do you just not aim for heads or something?

[placid portal]

Very

[bitter turtle]

yeah it suggs

[pallid jetty]

additional 5% toughness on ANY kill with ANY weapon is fucking op right now

[wraith flare]

Okay not strictly horrible but worse than the middle one

[placid portal]

Truth

[bitter turtle]

its not worse than the middle one

its just weapon dependent

[pallid jetty]

just bam, +5% on top of everything

[faint beacon]

It is very nice but I can never change my Veteran's name, I've honestly grown onto it

[bitter turtle]

the benefit of left side is you can restore 15% off any enemy with headshot, not just elites

the benefit of middle is that it works with melee

if you dont melee that much, left can be a lot better

depends on the build

[placid portal]

Pop a frag, boom, toughness

[wraith flare]

and gives more and a metric fuck load of regen

[rigid pilot]

It's so insane now it's 5%

[bitter turtle]

it gives less upfront, i hope you realize

10% vs 15%

CK is 10 i mean

the regen is something but

[pallid jetty]

i have a commando-combat build with mostly right side of the tree, common shovel and quick revolver and oh man, this shit slaps

[wraith flare]

Yes less upfront but way more overall

[bitter turtle]

i think in a chaotic scenario

i would rather have more upfront

[wraith flare]

And the regents is just bonkers

[bitter turtle]

than wait 10 seconds for a trickle of extra

[scenic basin]

How bad is Marksman's focus right now?

[bitter turtle]

that is my personal opinion

[rigid pilot]

Wasn't it buffed

[bitter turtle]

it was not even bad before

lol

its very easy to maintain now though

[wraith flare]

It certainly wasn’t good

[bitter turtle]

it was fine

[pallid jetty]

i kinda dont feel that focus is a good thing

[scenic basin]

I remeber eveyone pissing themselves when it was first introduced

[pallid jetty]

you alredy do enough damage...

[rigid pilot]

It was okay, in the sense that it gave you something and not took it away

[bitter turtle]

people were pissing themselves because they thought you were suppsoed to crouch walk everywhere

even pre-buff it was used on laspistol and other weapons like it

[rigid pilot]

It's mainly for the reload speed brrr

[bitter turtle]

that can score consistent/rapid headshots

you're already aiming at heads for ghost on laspis anyway

its trivial to maintain 10+ now though

[pallid jetty]

is focus even worse than zealot's momentum?

[rigid pilot]

That's apple and oranges

Also pointless to compare because you can't combine skill trees

Yet

[pallid jetty]

i mean, this one and that one dont give much

on bosses focus is ok

but only on bosses

[tiny summit]

Marksman Focus. I like using it. It's also redundant on "marksman weapons" but great on bullet hoses like IAGs and mk2 laspistol

[bitter turtle]

yeah

that's the irony

actual sniper weapons didnt care about it

[wraith flare]

I’d rather not touch anything las related

[bitter turtle]

really good on fast ones though

[wraith flare]

They’re stinky poopy

[bitter turtle]

i dont think that changes either

[tiny summit]

Lasguns good

[bitter turtle]

i tried it on v7 and it felt redundant

even post buff

[rigid pilot]

Actual sniper weapons want the tag

[wraith flare]

And other funny jokes you can tell yourself

[pallid jetty]

nah, the lasrifle with knife is good, the middle one

[magic trout]

They nerfed Survivalist 😭
Now i will have to learn how to shoot 😒

[pallid jetty]

others are not good

[tiny summit]

Sorry but they work and are good.

[rigid pilot]

You know what else works

No talents and grey weapons

[tiny summit]

The most notable thing MF will do for my mk2 helbore is with a few stacks will allow dreg rager 1 taps

[tiny summit]

Nah. I still mag dumped hallways with plasma

[placid portal]

Luv me Mk3 lucius hunting rifle

[tiny summit]

Just can't be as ignorant in its use throughout a run

Stinky bayonet so it doesn't exist for me

[placid portal]

😔

Mk3 bayonet is a crime

[pallid jetty]

bayonet on the mid one is the shit, stunlocks ragers

[tiny summit]

Seen any ogryns that didn't realize they had Feel No Pain nerfed?

[pallid jetty]

who cares lol

[placid portal]

Nothing much changed they will still keep winning

They buffed damage reduction while bracing and lucky boolet proc rate to 8% base with 12% on the upgrade

[magic trout]

Plasma users dont even need to pick ammo 🤣

[tall torrent]

they do now

[pallid jetty]

my build with lasrifle, just an example with what i use, if you have questions i can answer

[faint beacon]

Wait did they change the name of Onslaught to Weight of Fire

[pallid jetty]

(stagger on the ranged weapon is not good, but my ass is lazy to roll another rifle)

[pallid jetty]

i dont remember names

[bitter turtle]

yes

because there's a talent on the tree also named onslaught

[faint beacon]

I see

[bitter turtle]

even worse

its for rapid fire guns

so if you told someone "get o nslaught for hb"

it would be

if they misunderstood

[winter grove]

What should be power sword perks?

[bitter turtle]

unyielding/carapace/maniac

[winter grove]

cara maniac?

[tiny summit]

My lasgun build

[bitter turtle]

pick 2 of the three

[faint beacon]

Power Cycler IV + Either Sunder or Slaughterer?

Kinda on personal preference with the two end ones there

PC IV is a must have

[pallid jetty]

carapace is mandatory, the other i think unyelding is better than maniak

[thick hedge]

they really just nerfed survivalist so hard huh

[faint beacon]

My dumbass really thought perks were blessings

holy shit I should sleep

[tiny summit]

Eh it's a mk2. It can live w/o the charge speed blessing. Surgical is great for it.

[faint beacon]

Anyways Flak is a good neutral, Maniac and Cara

Unarmored if you're feeling extra silly?

[pallid jetty]

takes too much time to get the stacks of surgical, dont like this

[faint beacon]

Could get away with Specialist?

But ehh?

[tiny summit]

Lmao no it doesnt

[pallid jetty]

plus you lose all them on a shot

useless

[fresh mango]

surgical stacks build up rather quick

[pallid jetty]

i like shooting rapidly

[tiny summit]

You will get free 20% at minimum every charge shot

Ok...free shooting gun is useless

[fresh mango]

surgical is great with helbore

[pallid jetty]

its already pretty free

i dont need more free

i barely take any ammo

[tiny summit]

Also flak on helbore is kinda a waste except for mauler bodyshots and flak ragers

[pallid jetty]

but with the surv debuff i might reconsider this

[tiny summit]

Imagine taking any ammo at all before this patch

It was like a psyker staff

[pallid jetty]

i havent tried this build tho after the patch, so i really might be rebuildint it

[crude fiber]

yall missed out . is orthus a permanant thing or is it gonna be taken out at some point?

[tiny summit]

Mk2 really...really can live w/o the charge speed blessing. I'm serious

[fresh mango]

orthus is perma afaik

[faint beacon]

You'd probably like Headhunter Rifles with Headhunter Blessing

Spam click on head

though thats with tankier units

[tiny summit]

Mk1 and mk3? Mando. Mk2? With a decent charge speed it's pretty eh vs free crit chance

That too

[pallid jetty]

for me works pretty good, i like shooting rapidly, and i can say i have the reaction and aim skill to use it

quickly charge - bam

[tiny summit]

Vraks hh is goated and just clicks heads better with no charging

[pallid jetty]

and another

[fresh mango]

Orthus Offensive is probably just the first of those mission types

[pallid jetty]

and another

i dont like mk3, too slow

mk1 is like a stick that makes funi sounds

mk2 is perfect

[tiny summit]

I have the aim too. I also reload less than you. Go into encounter. Shoot up the entire room. Hit reload...
you never used ammo, what are you talking about?

[winter grove]

What if I only have Pc3

[pallid jetty]

but when i see crushers and maulers, quick charge works better

[tiny summit]

Debatable

[faint beacon]

It'll do, just keep rolling for PC IV to earn as a blessing in the future

[pallid jetty]

headshotting them is better with quick charge

[faint beacon]

Basically just get throw away Power swords solely for that blessing is what I did

[pallid jetty]

having a lot of fun with this build, monitorum is literally OP and better than any weapon in the game

not much armor penetration, but to hell with it

[faint beacon]

The spike end of this shovel has instantly killed way too many ragers and mutants

I could eventually roll for a better one

[tiny summit]

There will be a crafting update in the future. So maybe that PC4 will be closer than you think

[grizzled pebble]

Smoke nades enjoyers rejoice

[pallid jetty]

smoke grenade with all the passive buffs from the tree is literally the best grenade in the game

be immune to the shooters lmao lol

eks dee u cant shoot))

[grizzled pebble]

Do you take longer smoke?

I only have extra smoke nade and replen every 60s.

[pallid jetty]

on the pure commando build, on that one above i rarely use smokes

[pallid jetty]

i can show you... my build... hehe

[grizzled pebble]

I am using mk6 and revolver. I can switch mk6 to combat axe for a but more mobility but its good enough. I wish they up the speed aura more to like 10 or 12%. 5% seems quite low.

[pallid jetty]

smoke everything, go in, start slashing everyone to apply bleed, watch them die 🙂

[grizzled pebble]

No rending on revolver interesting.

[pallid jetty]

kitchen knife > revolver

just spam the fist-lmb

[thick hedge]

but no rending on knife?

[pallid jetty]

apply bleed -> spam fist and lmb

i dont like min-maxing weapons so i can one-shot everything

let others do this job lol, i better have fun

[thick hedge]

alright lul

[grizzled pebble]

Is speedloader even good? Surgical and handcannon are just too good on revolver

[rigid pilot]

Speedloader requires you to give one of those up which is cringe

[pallid jetty]

dunno, i just dont feel like using rending

might be good

the thing is - only crushers have carapace

[thick hedge]

speedloader is garbo considering weapon specialist reloads

by your argument there is no reason to take rending ever on any weapon

since its only crusher

[pallid jetty]

i prefer using my knife to deal with crushers

its just a preference

[north pebble]

you don't need speedload if you're running longshot + volley adept on your tree

[grizzled pebble]

It should increase damage against carapace, flak, unyielding. Not just carapace.

[pallid jetty]

like i remember what these do

[pallid jetty]

"should" or "does"?

[grizzled pebble]

It does.

[pallid jetty]

ok, might think about switching then

i just never cared

[grizzled pebble]

Check with knife for example. With brittleness/rending your bleed does way more damage against unyielding too.

[pallid jetty]

auric damnations were easy with what i have

[north pebble]

volley adept faster reload when you kill a special/elite

[rigid pilot]

Speedloader for psyker/zealot

And rending works on everything except unarmored and infested

[pallid jetty]

i dont run adept, u can see my build a bit higher here

[bitter turtle]

rending affects more than just carapace

flak/carapace/maniac/unyielding are all modified by rending

unarmored/infested are not

[pallid jetty]

i see

[fathom wedge]

who hurt the person who designed this piece of shit

[pallid jetty]

so good that the game lets you play it without all this garbage knowledge

[pallid jetty]

did it in like 4 or 5 missions

no high int even

[thick hedge]

??? optimization is not garbage knowledge

[fathom wedge]

What do I jsut gotta lob em at crowds?

[pallid jetty]

yes lol lmao

[fathom wedge]

ugh

[grizzled pebble]

Become a 420 enjoyer me fren.

[pallid jetty]

it is? skill > numbers

[grizzled pebble]

Smoke 'em

[fathom wedge]

Agent your martyrdom stealth build's done wonders for me.

You got some stealth vet builds I can swipe

[grizzled pebble]

Yes of course.

I am going to make a vid this weekend. Mk6 revolver speedaura stealth vet smoke nader

[thick hedge]

i m blocking this dumbass he is dragging my iq down

[bitter turtle]

frags with stealth is really nice

[bitter turtle]

you can underhand toss them withotu breaking stealth

[grizzled pebble]

RIP you destroyed my tree.

[fathom wedge]

chopped down

[bitter turtle]

also

if you're doing the movespeed aura

might as well take OfB + 5% speed

zip zip

sanic everywhere

[grizzled pebble]

Yeah I want to.

[bitter turtle]

walk backwards to avoid all attacks

[grizzled pebble]

But confirmed kill is gud

[pallid jetty]

no keystone, huh

understandable

[bitter turtle]

stealth builds end up sacrificing things naturally because its hard on point economy

[last parcel]

wiping out a room unseen is funny as hell

[thick hedge]

which shovel is the good one?

[grizzled pebble]

I like the basic one.

[bitter turtle]

here's my unsolicited stealth build someone liked enough to share

#zealot-class message

[grizzled pebble]

It's fast and high mobility.

[bitter turtle]

i'd probably swap surv to speed aura for extra sanic now

[thick hedge]

i want the one with switch mode and has horizontal heavies

[last parcel]

mk 7

[bitter turtle]

mk7

[thick hedge]

alright thx

[winter grove]

37% mobility power sword mk6

Worth it?

[grizzled pebble]

No that's rip

[faint beacon]

Literally the "Make your teammates hate you" penance

[bitter turtle]

what does the rest of it look like

[winter grove]

I uh

Sold it just now

[bitter turtle]

oh

[last parcel]

💀

[bitter turtle]

was it a brunt grey

[winter grove]

I do have two other swords

[bitter turtle]

then nah i wouldnt spend steel on it

[bitter turtle]

i cant read cyrillic languages

but

mobility 51+

cleave targets is dump

[winter grove]

77 and 67 on those

[bitter turtle]

if you go bromentum

idk about sunder

[winter grove]

Second got cleave dmg 59

[grizzled pebble]

BM is more damage than sunder no?

[bitter turtle]

they are good at different things

[faint beacon]

Iirc if you can slice at head level its extremely reliable

[bitter turtle]

BM is good at mincing hordes, in particular the bulkier fighter-type scabs/dregs

sunder is better against groups of elites

like packs of ragers and crushers

the reason is BM carries over full damage if you oneshot

obviously powersword is capable of oneshotting horde lesser enemies

not so much ragers/crushers

in that case it basically does nothing

sunder lets you cleave more against them

[tall torrent]

1690 penance points to go…

I wonder how many penances I actually need to complete to get to Moebian 6th Armor

[bitter turtle]

im dissapointed about the helmets

i thought it was the datamine masked ones

😔

[winter grove]

So which one do I basically keep?

[thick hedge]

do you need 20% ogryn damage to oneshot crusher with a thrust shovel swtichmode?

[faint beacon]

You running Cara as a perk

if so you might not need it

but it doesn't hurt to fiddle with it in the meatgrinder

[thick hedge]

i m only asking cuz i havent gotten a good stat shovel yet

cant really test

[faint beacon]

If you have mediocre stat shovels you may as well for safety reasons

that + You can hurt Reapers and Bulwarks

[thick hedge]

the mk7 switch mode seems worse than mk3

worse angle and gets stuck longer

[tall torrent]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

it is worse

but the normal swings are better

you get a better moveset in exchange for a slower speical

[gilded wraith]

Do any of the tac axes make better use of BM?

[bronze trout]

Kind of sucks I have to play builds I don't want to for awhile to farm these penances, at least it's not gonna take that long (minus the kraks)

[terse idol]

Just gotta try new builds

[thick hedge]

seems to me the mk3 PA>L2>L3 combo is pretty usable

is it that much worse than mk7 heavy spam?

[faint beacon]

Basically Mk7 is for if you want the SIM Shovel with a Carapace option, and the Mk3 is more so full commitment to using switch mode more

But yes Mk7 is heavy spam, Mk3 you have to use more lengthy/complicated combos compared to SIM and Mk7

[faint beacon]

Shocktrooper + Surgical HB Sitting all pretty for those who are recovering addicts of Survivalist lmao

Tried that a bit ago and its hilarious how little ammo you spend

[thick hedge]

do you need to stack uncanny to oneshot crusher? if not cant i replace uncanny with like skullcrusher or soemthing

[faint beacon]

Mk3 or Mk7 is my question

cause if its Mk3 I think skullcrusher would gain the most off it seeing I believe once it connects they stagger and gain bonus damage afterwards

[thick hedge]

dont they do the same damage on switch mode?

i m leaning towards mk3 rn

[faint beacon]

Believe Mk3 Does more, especially with Thrust

I'll have to test that sometime

[thick hedge]

still want to know if uncanny is needed for crusher one tap

[faint beacon]

Actually check pins, there's a PDF covering every weapon

could use that to boil down which shovel might be better

[thick hedge]

the wording on the pdf isnt very clear. it suggests uncanny thrust carapace, but it doesnt say you need to stack uncanny up to kill crusher in one hit

cuz if not stacked, uncanny would only effect the pull portion of the switch attack

[faint beacon]

Im pretty sure it might be covering the situation of hitting them a few times on weakpoint cause I know a few quick light swings can easily build up Uncanny, but from what I can see Thrust + Uncanny is most likely the best for an Anti-Carapace build

[scenic basin]

How bad is limbsplitter on this?

[faint beacon]

it exists, its one of those blessings thats just meh

Very situational

Technically would be better one of the Mk's seeing they have the switch mode but again Limbsplitter is meh

[bitter turtle]

its meme

you can technically do the crusher oneshot thing with limbsplitter and a lot of modifiers

but uh

i really wouldnt suggest it

[scenic basin]

And how bad is lucious these days? I remember it being pretty good but now I cant oneshot dregguners, unless my buld is not suited for it

[bitter turtle]

are you talking about the helbores?

they're fine

[scenic basin]

ye

They just don't feelas powerful as back in a day

[bitter turtle]

they have received no nerfs

well

except to the goddamn bayonet

[grizzled pebble]

The game speed is too fast now for lucius to compete.

[bitter turtle]

so you're imagining it

[grizzled pebble]

Since you have lazer beam columbus, plasma 1 shot or revolver quick swap.

[terse idol]

I just think the HB has a differennt role

And like

Those 3 weapons are just the trifecta of OP

It's hard to compare

You could literally apply all those weapons to any gun the vet has

Because no other gun competes

[grizzled pebble]

Yes.

So only play those 3 guns.

[scenic basin]

And I don't havy any of those with a good roll dang it

[terse idol]

Then why even talk about the HB

[terse idol]

I mean

Columnus

Is good even on a grey

Plasma just needs damage

Revolver... kinda just needs damage too

Like, just get some variety

[thick hedge]

after testing i find you need at least 3 stacks of uncanny and fully charge thrust to oneshot crusher

with carapace elite and ogryn

[bitter turtle]

are you sure your shovel is properly rolled

im pretty sure its possible to do it without any uncanny stacks

what's your first target stat

[bitter turtle]

what's your tre ethen

[bitter turtle]

um

try taking elite damage? >_>;;

what gun is this for anyway

https://i.gyazo.com/f213d87b44e681fbfa02ade2166e4444.jpg

works fine for me

no 10% melee or right side talents

[thick hedge]

r u using mk3?

[bitter turtle]

no

mk3 and 7 have the same damage profile anyway

its simply speed

[thick hedge]

i cant get it to oneshot

[bitter turtle]

again

[thick hedge]

without uncanny stacks

[bitter turtle]

did you take superiority complex?

idk why you're skipping it

that's why i ask what gun are you using

[thick hedge]

still doesnt work

i m using recon las

[bitter turtle]

ok

let me just make a tree for you

and try it

see if it oneshots

https://i.gyazo.com/6e0a0e6b2d39de783ec0bf74d6b64702.png

you can drop chink in armor for something else if you want

maybe some grenade regen

on demo team

idk

hits the same abilities on your tree

[thick hedge]

i m 75 damage off

[bitter turtle]

🤔

let me copy your shovel exactly and see

ok i see

sec

just drop chink in armor for 5% melee

er

ya

just do that

should work

[bronze trout]

What should I change on this dclaw?

[thick hedge]

quite sad I have to go to so much length just to achieve one tap crushe

[bitter turtle]

eh

[thick hedge]

at that point is uncanny even worth it

[bitter turtle]

the only thing out of the way is the 5% melee

everything else benefits recon quite a bit

like 10% rending

recon has awful armor values against

literally everything

[grizzled pebble]

Bulwark buff won't allow you to 1 shot them any more with mk6.

Well bulwark hp buff.

[bitter turtle]

sure hope that

crafting rework

makes it so buffs/nerfs dont completely fuck over our rolls arbitrarily

and yes

uncanny is worth it no matter what

first of all

decimator is fucking dumb and resets the moment you miss

and uncanny still helps a lot against bulkier hordes

[thick hedge]

what about skullcrusher instead?

[bitter turtle]

its bad

if you spam heavies

it doenst activate very reliably

the only time i saw a significant ttk difference is hwen you spam lights

oh wait

you're using a mk3 right

well

i guess its passable if you spam lights on it

i still wouldnt though tbh

[thick hedge]

alright

idk how its gonna play without grenade gen

[bitter turtle]

the heavy/light alternate pattern is bad with skullcrusher too

]well

[thick hedge]

and i have never used shovel

[bitter turtle]

that's more cause you're going exec

[wanton dawn]

No more 7 bull patrol though

[bitter turtle]

honestly

i'd just drop determined

for grenade regen

[wanton dawn]

Most i had at once was 4

[bitter turtle]

but that's just me

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-heart-heartbreak-broken-gif-15324008

Maybe too convulated ref

[bitter turtle]

how is that convoluted

its just thunder snail

more deltarune when

[last parcel]

she magna my core till I VRRRRMMPPFFFF

[junior needle]

Who up venting they plasma right now

[junior needle]

Crit chance>something else, probably unarmored for the best clear

Otherwise it’s fine

[thorn lark]

Yeah unarmored is fine, unyielding or elites too

Check what you need to get a one shot BP on ragers while parrying

[split sapphire]

I have a chainsword that can help with horde clear, while also being able to soften up or apply bleed dot on certain enemies. So a CC/Single target hybrid if you will. I honestly find it useful imo. But i know there are better options. For now it works

[thorn lark]

Chainsword is goated

Especially considering how crits work with it

[split sapphire]

I especially love how it sounds whether by just swinging or revving it

[junior needle]

Chainswords have pretty decent crit damage for a non-finesse weapon

But I can't recall anything else being unusual about them with crits

[thorn lark]

Oh well

[split sapphire]

Definitely satisfying to eviscerate a mutant charging past then dies after he's like 3-4 ft. Past you

[north pebble]

• mutant splits in half after the animation

[thorn lark]

"the chainsword has no crit cleave damage falloff"

That was found in zealot chat by @short vapor

Here's the discussion #zealot-class message

The Crit DMG multiplier stays the same on every target

It's the only weapon to have that

[junior needle]

Neat

I did some testing awhile back and rampage still held an advantage for overall clear speed

But it makes shred a better alternative than it would be otherwise

[thorn lark]

Rampage shred is good

As is wrath / SS + shred

[crude wind]

i use rampage shred personally

[thorn lark]

You add reciprocity and desperado and bob's your uncle

[junior needle]

Depends on the variant

And also if you're lightspamming for clear (13g has to do this)

So the 13 requires wrath

and then you have to choose one

the 4 can do rampage/shred since it can do primarily heavies

[thorn lark]

Ah yeah I only use rampage on og chord

On nu chord it's a pain without wrath

And I want shred

Sooooo

[junior needle]

I prefer lightspamming so it'd be the 13 for me

Very relaxing

[thorn lark]

Wrath + shred works very well to on 13

[junior needle]

Mhm, it gives you more dedicated single target and just a bit slower clear than rampage by a few seconds

(assuming you dont drop stacks)

[agile forge]

4 feels amazing to me

Can heavy spam if you want with it, or do a 4 hit combo

[rigid pilot]

I do the weird 3 heavy 1 light combo for the original chainsword

[junior needle]

I dislike combos since they're difficult to automate with ahk

Heavy spam is for the most part easy, light spam is extremely simple

[woven vigil]

Does the Kek grenades penance track only the elites you stick with them, or everyone else who dies in its radius? Like a clump of Crushers for example?

[final stag]

You know what I just noticed

The characters now say the type of grenade they are throwing.

[last parcel]

yup

hearing lots of folks yelling KRAK OUT

[final stag]

Yeah fjdnnd

[potent iris]

kraks out for tertium 😤

[last parcel]

ARMOUR KRAKKER

[potent iris]

is it a vet only thing?

[junior needle]

Just like the mtg tournaments

[thorn lark]

Good question

[umbral scaffold]

they are finesse weapon...

[rigid pilot]

The push attack could be more finesse-y

A little sad I can't oneshot bruisers with it

[junior needle]

It has good finesse values, but when I say finesse weapon I mean something like knife where its bodyshots do absolute dog damage

Or laspistol

Chainsword has good base damage still

[thorn lark]

It's well rounded

[woven vigil]

I guess no one knows, so i might have to do some testing myself later

[maiden vector]

Guys, does there any guide about new unlocks? Bc I clearly don't understand what need to do on this 4, mb it is bad translation or I just don't know (achievement with cross on a head doesn't count)

[junior needle]

Presumably some are bugged or work contrary to their description (in classic fatshark fashion)

Don't think there's a compiled guide yet

But I haven't really been looking for one

[woeful galleon]

Man, you know what i'd love? A powerfist. It is normal, if expensive, equipment for even a sergeant in the militarum in the tabletop, just make a slower power weapon with high penetration to kill heavies or something. That'd be a lot of fun.

It's also the signature weapon for my commissar character in Only War so I'm also astoundingly biased, but still not wrong.

[junior needle]

Adding new weapons is immeasurably complex, please understand.

This is why the hotshot volley gun hasn't been added yet.

Despite already being in the game

[frank ledge]

Zola is alpharius https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1179800209052672172/image.png?ex=662a7111&is=6617fc11&hm=cec1a9d73c67ee5e3cafb6de49ef9fcbe541ba7f6f2b58359435e2e00c17c157&

[woeful galleon]

No need to "please understand" friend, thankfully I'm not such a child as to demand content as if it was so easy as a snap of the fingers, though there's nothing wrong to a bit of daydreaming about a possible future, is there?

[junior needle]

You missed the meme

[wanton dawn]

Its not against you, soldier is a bit dissapointed thats all

[gray finch]

1- you need to play fire team as a aura 2-you need to play close and kill aura 3-you need to play marksman focus as a keystone
4-you need to play focus target as a keystone and kill ping enemy before they die
5- you need to play weapon specialist and kill target with a long range weapon (revolver while active on at least 3 stack of the weapons specialist from melee kills )

[wanton dawn]

Hes like that since patch day

[woeful galleon]

Aah it was a joke then, sorry, not familiar with those, especially if it's tied to this game

[junior needle]

People like to rag on fatshark for making a variety of flimsy excuses

In fairness they deserve it

[woeful galleon]

They kinda do for sure, though considering lots of people here are probably also GW fans in some measure they should be familiar with fandoms with obsenely high expectations.

[maiden vector]

There is no "aura" word in a translation, lmao

[gray finch]

language?

[maiden vector]

Mine?

[gray finch]

yes

[maiden vector]

Ru

I mean

There is another word

Not aura

Lmao

[wanton dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cdt-creature-world-strong-power-vibes-gif-27317389

[maiden vector]

Smth like "skill" or "enchacment"

[wanton dawn]

Thanks discord gif search

Never fail to make me smirk

[junior needle]

If you weren't here when the game launched, you should know that people had the expectation of the game actually working and that wasn't met for months post release

[woeful galleon]

I got to know that, Darktide in general seems to be a bit of a mess, though of at this point I'm decently happy with it as long as they manage to make actual decent content for it.

[maiden vector]

No, I understand what is aura, I mean, in a description, they say do smth under "skill"

And I was confused what is "fire team skill"

[gray finch]

its aura

[maiden vector]

Ye, now I get it

[gray finch]

cool

[loud oyster]

So, did PoR do anything for the weapon balance?

[junior needle]

I'm sure they will "eventually"

But the issue is they take an inordinate amount of time to do basically anything

Meanwhile they appear to be working considerably faster putting out content for their 6 year old game, which has received more than darktide has

since darktides release

[woeful galleon]

I can also just imagine that's two separate teams, and Lord knows what agreements they have with GW, who in recent time turned a bit vicious with certain things

Not to justify them wholly

[junior needle]

Like custodes lore

[woeful galleon]

For sure they're in a bit of a mess

[woeful galleon]

Let's not start that, I'm talking IP right now

But yeah, they're definitely in a bit of the mess with their work

FS I mean

[junior needle]

They are two different teams, although they have moved members from one or the other

[woeful galleon]

But we'll see if they can finally put some stuff in order, or at least in livable conditions

[junior needle]

The thing is, they seem to be prioritizing a much older game with a much narrower appeal

When that game already has way more content

So it's a curious allocation of resources

Worth noting that vt2 is also a warhammer game albeit fantasy, so attributions of problems due to "GW meddling" should be uniform

[woeful galleon]

Eh, like I said, we don't know what going on behind the curtain

And we don't know what agreements have been made with GW

So they might be playing favourites just as much as they might be desperate to keep things together while papa GW says "no".
...It's probably a funny mix of both and more.

[junior needle]

Likely a mix of poor management and some levels of incompetence. Obesefish needs to go on a diet to run faster

Fatshark is notorious for doing this though, even with non-40k games

I know you might be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt but this is a company who regularly let one of their former CM's (hedge) be consistently passive aggressive/antagonistic with the community

Across multiple games

They don't need papa GW to loosen the leash to do simple things like fix long standing bugs or properly balance weapons in a timely manner

[woeful galleon]

Bugs and content are very different things, plus to be honest I feel like we're just falling in a kind of annoying rabbit hole

So I'd be much inclined to just drop the subject at this point

Feel like if anything we can easily agree on a simple "hope game gets more stuff"

[dire olive]

Hope they nerf recons

[woeful galleon]

Finally, an objectively right opinion

[dire olive]

Mk II especially

[woeful galleon]

I've been trying them out and can't believe I'm taking only 30 minutes to kill anything