veteran-class

[unreal bone]

I believe it is the game's fault.

Cause every other game runs fine.

[tall torrent]

Did u change worker threads

[unreal bone]

Yes 955 but like I said

I was using the same settings

pre-path of redemption

and post

I experienced HORRENDOUS performance drops with the only differing factor being Path of Redemptin

[ivory rock]

Were any weapons buffed or changed? I think I'm blind but can't find anythin in the patch

[tall torrent]

Plasma can’t open bulwark from front anymore

Boltgun now takes 6 rapid shots to open bulwarks from front

Survivalist aura nerf indirectly nerfs weapons with bad ammo economy

[ivory rock]

List of changes on weapons anywhere or is it just that? Was lowk hopin to see a lil more from em on that front

[terse idol]

Urgh bolt gun nerf

[somber axle]

stagger threshold is the culprit for bulwarks I think

[tall torrent]

Most likely
Crusher didn’t change much tho I think

[tame lodge]

Kinda weird that it mostly affected vet or at least builds that I don't use

[dreamy spade]

Really

LMAO

Why

New nerf miner

[somber axle]

I think it'll make the silly Collateral stat slightly more attractive for stagger on enemies now to attempt to stunlock a Bulwark but yeah

previously I think most people viewed it as a dump stat not worth looking at in the same vein as mobility

above a certain threshold but otherwise ignore

[hearty panther]

have yall tried to do it in volley fire yet

[somber axle]

I'm kinda curious how the number crunchers are going to go to work on this now to figure out how important collateral as a stat is

[hearty panther]

cause thats why nobody cared about collateral

with volley fire active you could fwip a bulwark shield open in a single shot at 31% collat or something like that

[somber axle]

Ooo does Exe Stance change collateral?

I thought it only reduced recoil, sway and increased damage

[hearty panther]

it still gives a 100% impact bonus for ranged yes

[somber axle]

that's good to know

[hearty panther]

yeah it does a bunch of other shit the game is loathe to mention

[tame lodge]

Maybe falter will have some use

[wanton dawn]

Woah, I almost got empty mag in no ammo

[tame lodge]

💀

[somber axle]

indirectly buffing weapons with impact/collateral I guess

[hearty panther]

eh

collateral is mostly suppression, suppression isnt affected by impact, and vet only has volley fire to offer him more of the latter

[somber axle]

oh and indirectly buffing falter but I still think any weapon with falter as an option will prefer using other blessings

[hearty panther]

zealot on the other hand, does have quite a bit of +impact options in their tree

[somber axle]

this is going to sound dumb and I'll sound like a broken record but the collateral stat on my Recon Mk VId combined with suppression nodes on the tree make it a very good weapon for forcing enemy heads down

[tame lodge]

Hammer of Faith, 30% impact

[wanton dawn]

we know you like recon by now

[somber axle]

I know and I'm sorry but this time it's relevant and I had to mention

[hearty panther]

suppression is something nobody has really done a public deep dive of

i have numbers in my head but no hard maths to present

all i can say is that it's very good and people should consider firing rounds 'in a direction' more often

[somber axle]

Suppression is secretly an OP stat for crowd control on mass crowds of shooters that most people don't think about but do passively in gameplay

[tame lodge]

I know Graia MkIV has the collat status

[hearty panther]

and vet can grab +25% straight into a 50% suppression bonus

[somber axle]

there's a Tanner vid I remember seeing doing a breakdown of how important suppression is but afaik people here do not like him

[hearty panther]

it's .. like, fucking a lot

yeah tanner is insufferable

[somber axle]

he's a very rude dude but I watch his vids sometimes for info and also to get context from some silly moments

[hearty panther]

he also doesnt really do the hard maths stuff

still better than 99% of the player base tho

[somber axle]

like hearing that he called damage a dump stat starting a wave of people saying anyone calling damage a dump stat is an idiot and then when you go to the vid he really just talks about how damage beyond your breakpoints is meaningless beyond slightly more boss damage so depending on context more damage stat vs more in another stat isn't as big a deal as it is on others

a weapon without perfect 80% damage isn't trash and if it hits all the good breakpoints you're good

[hearty panther]

yes, its his framing that kills his arguments, because he immediately starts his videos off punching a strawman (debatably just a comment he read somewhere, vaguely, on the internet, that is living in his head)

you can just present the facts of the argument

[somber axle]

yeah he sets himself up for failure then tries to argue his way back into success

[hearty panther]

ie. 50 vs 80% damage is not as significant as it sounds for most weapons

[somber axle]

but it makes his vids funny imo

[hearty panther]

and just stay at that

you can rant at the end of the video

but when i can almost hear spittle as you talk and your voice rise it's like

geez kid, im sorry

[bitter turtle]

its almost like

[somber axle]

yeah he gets way too into it LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

everyone already knew that

and he frames it in an intentionally stupid way

to act like he's saying something revolutionary

[somber axle]

this is gonna sound funny but at the time I didn't

[bitter turtle]

also

[somber axle]

I had no idea what breakpoints were and just thought "I want 80% damage always"

[bitter turtle]

you're playing recon

you want 80% damage

[somber axle]

so it opened my eyes to understanding more about the game

[bitter turtle]

BPs dont really apply to automatics

[hearty panther]

they still very much do

[bitter turtle]

they do

but it takes very little to push yourself to the next BP

so unlike something like V7

[somber axle]

we went into this before but my 69% damage stat isn't a big difference against an 80% damage stat recon and translates to 1 more damage per shot and 3% more damage at longer ranges

[hearty panther]

yes, its about accuracy, TTK, BTK, etc.

[bitter turtle]

a little bit more damage helps

[somber axle]

most people getting below a 70% in a damage stat throws out their weapon

I kept my 69% recon because it's funny to me to have a weapon with 69

[bitter turtle]

my other question is

why even NOT get an 80 recon

it has like 4 useless stats

3*

[hearty panther]

dont need it

[somber axle]

because it has very little change

[hearty panther]

i only care about 80 mobility

[somber axle]

and because it's funnier to me this way

[bitter turtle]

🤷‍♀️

stat wise its like one of the easiest weapons to roll for

[terse idol]

I mean 69 ain't bad

[somber axle]

yeah I have 80% damage stat recons and I could use them but they don't change things much

[bitter turtle]

collateral/stability might as well not exist

[terse idol]

it's fine to throw sub 60% damage away

😌

[bitter turtle]

mobility above 50 doesnt do much

[somber axle]

I'd say 69 is pretty nice

[terse idol]

Few weapons need max dps

[bitter turtle]

i think recon needs as much dmg as you can get

[somber axle]

building a good Lucius Mk II for breakpoints was painful

it's easier to just grab Recon and turn my brain off

plus no fear of carpal tunnel because I'm clicking and holding vs trying to click fast on the Mg1a or Mk IV Infantry Lasguns

I know there's a mod to automate their fire and I do not use mods so that doesn't apply to me

[sharp epoch]

does this mean we get like 2 ammo every 5 seconds now basically

[somber axle]

yes and no because that 11% more damage stat wouldn't matter but using Exe Stance, Focus Target with Target Down, Onslaught, 10% Rending, Deadshot and three Stam curios for +9 total stam with the additional +1 stam node at top center tree does make a significant impact and all those other little things add up to making it ok

the 11% damage stat difference would objectively make it better but the improvement is so marginal it's not worth caring about imo

[bitter turtle]

having other sources of damage doesnt make a different source of damage bad

automatics improve on a very smooth gradient

so yes

one little thing missing isnt going to be as noticeable as taking 1 vs 2 shot to kill something on a semi auto

you probably wont notice 11 vs 12 bullets to kill something

[hearty panther]

like sure, you were buffing 59 damage to be 118. having 80% would make that 60 into 120. youre going to be very hard pressed to find many moments where this is the thing that keeps you off a kill, and when your weapon fires 17 rounds a second, you really dont have to care

[bitter turtle]

by that logic you may as well not take 15% damage node

it only saves 1 bullet

on ciag

[somber axle]

tbh I don't think doing 1 more damage per shot would even meaningfully kill anything in less shots with the Recon and if it did manage to kill in 2-3 less shots it fires so fast that you'd have to check it frame by frame on recording to catch it tbh

[bitter turtle]

who cares if it takes 7 or 8

and yes

it only saves 1 bullet on a lot of targets

[tame lodge]

Yeah, at least can see the aura on the UI

[somber axle]

that's CIAG and your words have more meaning on good weapons

[hearty panther]

but do you even have the trigger discipline to save that one round, and are you even good enough to accurately land that burst on target every single time, lol

[somber axle]

I play with a weapon only a clown could love

[hearty panther]

cause its purely about feel

[bitter turtle]

ttk wise, yes it matters

and missing doesnt change it

if you were gonna miss with a 7 hit ttk

you were gonna miss with an 8 hit ttk

[hearty panther]

missing usually impacts my TTK pretty strongly

[bitter turtle]

yes

but it adds the same number of shots to kill

to both

if you are missing with both

now if you're telling me

"but what if you miss with superiority complex on but don't without superiority complex"

now you're just fucking with me

[hearty panther]

you mean btk also, my brain was thrown off there

[bitter turtle]

they're interchangeable

even melee can be measured in hits to kill

and should be when testing

well

ok

before you jump on me

[hearty panther]

now you're actively fucking with yourself

[bitter turtle]

its not interchangeable

when comparing different weapons

[old quail]

do any of u know where the consignment yard puzzle is

by chance

[bitter turtle]

im comparing ciag vs ciag though here

[stable socket]

damage on high damage low fire rate weapons only matters for individual shot breakpoints, but when it matters it matters A LOT; damage on low damage high fire rate weapons always matters, but when it matters it doesn't matter as much

[hearty panther]

ive got it in a dusty box in my closet

[old quail]

woe be upon you

[somber axle]

I mean I can share the gif again and like if my Recon had 10% elite damage instead of 10% crit damage she'd probably kill faster with less shots but trying to play brunt's casino game and then hadron's casino game all to try to get a weapon only slightly better that might have a difference in TTK of deciseconds (I have learned milliseconds is the incorrect term and idk if this is the right one) but like 0.1-0.3 seconds worth of difference is imperceptible and in practice will change nothing

[dreamy spade]

First target on knife, I thought this was only when hitting multiple targets, but knife has small cleave right?

[slow sky]

has this channel been its so over with the vet changes or has the vet chat had cognitive thought

[bitter turtle]

all these little things add up for an automatic even if individually they feel like nothing

i mean

you are free to do whatever

people play with grey guns and succeed

[hearty panther]

they're on steam and reddit

[agile forge]

It also counts when it's a single target attack

It just means the damage dealt to the first target on any swing

[bitter turtle]

idk im happy with them

[somber axle]

everything is fine and generally people are happy with the update but some people are vaguely wishing the surv aura nerf would be reverted

[bitter turtle]

surv is a shitty design

[slow sky]

im not a vet but like
i havent noticed a difference

[bitter turtle]

i just finished no melee with ammo still left in clip

nerf it more

[agile forge]

I'd rather they slightly improved ammo economies, especially on the worst offenders like Stubbers

And kept surv aura away

[somber axle]

I play with Recons and succeed so I absolutely understand that every little bit helps but that last little bit isn't worth the effort to fight for between Hadron and Brunt until the revamped crafting comes through

[bitter turtle]

that's fine

[agile forge]

Don't make builds dependent on being with a specific other class with a specific aura

[bitter turtle]

but again

my initial point was you probably do wnat damage at 80 on recon

ideally

i dont think that changes

[tame lodge]

I think we are glossing over the nerf rn, idk

[bitter turtle]

yes, on some semi-automatic weapons, if you roll 70 or 80 damage it doesn't really matter

[atomic zephyr]

elysian drop troop armor
recon lasguns still suck
big sad

[somber axle]

if I could play with a 0% damage stat recon I would just to see how it'd feel

[bitter turtle]

you can

[somber axle]

I have a funny 0% stat Mk II Lucius

[bitter turtle]

its called loadout mod

[somber axle]

I don't use mods

[bitter turtle]

im just saying its possible

[somber axle]

yes but I don't understand Darktide modding at all and don't really have any interest in learning for this game

I've modded other games but I kinda like this game in pure vanilla

only mod I'm vaguely side eyeing is Scoreboard just to track my own performance and even that isn't enough to make me want to get Darktide modded

For the Drip is a fun mod but I like looking good in game in ways other players see

Adjusting the interface is a personal taste thing

[faint beacon]

QOL UI and Weapon Customization that’s pretty much about it with my mods

[somber axle]

Mods that tell you when certain specials spawn feel like putting the game on easy mode

[stable socket]

another thing: if you pass up on every 10% damage boost because ~9.9% decrease in TTK is inconsequential on its own and end up passing up on 3 of those individually, you've suddenly lost 30% damage, which is a big deal

[somber axle]

Mods that show you enemy health in real time in matches feel like putting the game on easy mode

etc.

[bitter turtle]

cool snipper gun

https://i.gyazo.com/2754752d3acc2985c8a483fc92457d49.jpg

[bitter turtle]

that's basically what i was saying

[somber axle]

those are neat but look sorta like they fit Call of Duty more than Warhammer 40k

[bitter turtle]

omg devs were right

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/weapon-attachments-were-not-added-to-the-game-because-darktide-isnt-cod-nor-was-designed-to-be-cod-fatshark-hedge/67449

[somber axle]

yes correct but if you pass up on 1 less damage per shot and grab every other possible damage boost you can find in the game the difference is minimal

[bitter turtle]

im just john call of duty now 😔

[faint beacon]

I tend to make my guns look rugged and worn for the whole picked it up off some poor fucker type aesthetic

[somber axle]

John Call of Darky

[faint beacon]

John call of Darktide

[lyric dock]

I customize my weapons to make them stand out. There's million of las pistols, but this one is mine

[somber axle]

...wait a sec what if I swap the node for turning all shooters to highlight in Exe Stance instead to Ogryns

does that make it do more damage to Ogryns

could Crusher TTK become funnier

[faint beacon]

I think?

[agile forge]

Don't think those perks grant damage

[somber axle]

I need to test it later

[agile forge]

I think it's just highlighting and refreshes

[faint beacon]

Usually they just highlight but look into it

[dreamy spade]

What should I dump on it then, cause I dont really want to lower mobility

[agile forge]

It's mobility.

51% is ideal

Idk what the 5th bar is though

[bitter turtle]

i will say

its more than 1 dmg though

[agile forge]

Damage, first target, penetration, mobility, and something

[bitter turtle]

i just tested it

69 vs 80 dmg recon

[somber axle]

is it 2 damage

[bitter turtle]

3 whole damage

and believe it or not

[somber axle]

that's really funny LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

that does change the # of bullets you need

for a number of enemies

lel

this was on a flak rager btw

tested on flak bc most common

[somber axle]

idk I'm doing this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229831959807660082/sneakyclown2.gif?ex=66311d44&is=661ea844&hm=87aff64d94f602e29d5f2b5a10c16322ecac73315aac7cf38fe083a6e7a3ddf3&

but if it means one less ammo consumed on flak ragers it could be a funny flex on CIAG

anything to maximize ammo econ

the more I can shoot, the more others will wonder if I'm stealing all the ammo tins and packs to keep shooting

though also ammo consumed and number of shots is very dependent on crit strings

you can get a wild variance in number of shots/ammo used based on how many crit strings you get on target

I know because Crushers can go down in as little as 10 ammo but often will die in 13-14

very RNG based

wait that's the old gif from the old build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229154086952112158/sneakyclownreconft.gif?ex=662ea5f2&is=661c30f2&hm=f085c8fb883f3ade7dffd3bb956f4df463f93522c777799442c823dd9b50cb49&

new gif with Focus Target + Target Down for better stam efficiency, higher DPS and restoring team toughness on kill

I think it drops TTK nearly a full second

A new Recon Mk VId with 80% damage stat, 10% elite and extra damage from Ogryn node on Exe Stance (if that last one actually does add more bonus damage) could drop the TTK another 0.1-0.3 seconds

[hearty panther]

the recon's only real flaw is that i cant weild two of them at once

[somber axle]

which is funny for min/maxing

[somber axle]

get a bunch of friends to all join you with recons and wield 4 of them through them

[hearty panther]

its just not the same 😦

[somber axle]

I know but the laser light show from a squad full of recon vets is the most beautiful sight in Darktide I've ever seen

[hearty panther]

my non-rtx card would not appreciate it at all tbh

[somber axle]

it makes Wolfer's conversation with his subordinate funnier

[terse idol]

Just download the bullet mod

[somber axle]

"They must have an entire regiment in there!!"

[terse idol]

Make all guns shoot lasers

[somber axle]

"It's FOUR PEOPLE don't lie to me!!"

[hearty panther]

"it's like a whole battalion!"
the battalion:

[somber axle]

it makes it funny to think some of Wolfer's men not caught in the crossfire but overhearing it from neighboring districts are assuming all the las fire must mean a battalion is sweeping through

[hearty panther]

"judging by the sound and impact of their footsteps, it must be fifty men at least."
-one ogryn-

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[wanton dawn]

Auric storm survivor seems bugged ?

[tame lodge]

Yup

[wanton dawn]

sad

[crude fiber]

1 max hp

[bitter turtle]

damn

penance minmax

[lucid ginkgo]

Damn, any advice how to pump recon lasgun to this crit chances?

[austere pine]

i cannot believe they added a new pants type for vet

i'm in love

nevermind it's a part of a single set

[somber axle]

Deadshot and three stam curios all with +3 stam for a total +9 stam
Get Headhunter IV blessing for +5% crit chance per hit until your next crit

[austere pine]

still, 3 new pants to obtain. this is great

[somber axle]

those two together with good stam management through Duck and Dive with Focus Target use for the Target Down node's stam regen let you keep Deadshot rolling pretty consistently

the crit chance feels pretty constant in matches but it'll take some getting used to because you have to consistently keep shots on heads

body shots will only have Deadshot boosting them

[quaint valve]

So its been a few months, we liking this update for vets?

[austere pine]

as in fashion?

[lucid ginkgo]

Yeah, im afraid it's main problem in here. Anyway thank you, that's good to know
Any lasgun can do this?

[quaint valve]

overall? haven't the chance to update and look at the game yet

[somber axle]

I have to warn that it is very much a fragile playstyle and you will have to rely on dodging, blocking, shoving and proper positioning to make the most out of it

3 stam curios mean little toughness and HP

[austere pine]

were there any balance changes?

[somber axle]

only the Recon Mk VId to my knowledge

[austere pine]

whether or not, doesn't matter

look at this

cadia does fucking stand

[somber axle]

Recon VIIa is something others recommend but I've tested it and found it can't output nearly the level of damage that the VId does

[quaint valve]

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II is bad and shouldn't be used at all

[quaint valve]

Free?

[austere pine]

yup

for penance

[somber axle]

THE SKIRT IS SO COOL WOW

I WANT IT

[austere pine]

this is for the cadian one

which is ez, realistically

[quaint valve]

Helldivers 2 has taken me away for awhile, but it looks like its time to return to Atoma!

[somber axle]

ohmygosh

[celest vine]

Finally titlescreen armor

[somber axle]

I have to use Voice of Command again

pain and suffering

[celest vine]

I only use scream and krak

[austere pine]

and this is braindead ez for the 2nd one

[celest vine]

Ill fet this fastp

[austere pine]

is this steel legion? krieg?

[elder fiber]

its old mobian 6th

[austere pine]

oh wait, yeah

[terse idol]

God damnn

[austere pine]

lower-rank version of this one

[somber axle]

Moebian 21st and if anything it sorta looks like Tempestuous Scions gear

hard to see behind the plasma

[austere pine]

we get bot drip finally

new helmet of this type

[somber axle]

but only kinda sorta

I don't know if it matches the appearance of any other regiment

[austere pine]

dead space 3-looking-ahh helmet

[austere pine]

scions always look the same irrc

[tall torrent]

This one only tracks roughness that it fills

[austere pine]

except for kasrkin but kasrkin are kasrkin

[terse idol]

Yep

[tall torrent]

Go for pox gas missions

[terse idol]

Scions are seen as typically the blue armour

[somber axle]

we have the legs in game

[tall torrent]

One pox gas mission u can easily farm 2k+ progress for the green Cadian armor

[terse idol]

Karsikin are theoretically cadias elite scions but they are different

[somber axle]

we just need that helmet and chest piece

[austere pine]

tempestus scions go through the special academy

[tall torrent]

Nah bro is subzero

[austere pine]

while kasrkin do something cadian, i don't know and i don't care

cadia stands

tempestus scions fashion, yes

[terse idol]

Karsikin also go through special training

[terse idol]

They're just different elite units

[austere pine]

not through schola progenium

[ember vessel]

I figured I would ask the vet channel over the psyker one; which 2 nodes should I change on this sword?

[tall torrent]

Both blessings
Rampage + shred/savage sweep/skullcrusher

[terse idol]

Technically like kriegsmen grenadiers are scions too

[austere pine]

i suggest you consult either the zealot spreadsheet or the vet melee document

[ember vessel]

Thank you!

[austere pine]

this confuses me but i read it somewhere

[terse idol]

Because krieg have like

Standard troop

Death watch

Grenadiers

[last parcel]

eins zwei polizei drei vier grenadier

[terse idol]

Like the whole "tempestud scion"

Is basically just

[tall torrent]

Armageddon storm troopers, Cadian Kasrkin, Krieg Grenadiers are all considered elite units

[terse idol]

They're elite troops

[austere pine]

why are grenadiers of all things their tempestus scions

[terse idol]

Because they lived the longest

[austere pine]

is it because grenades are marginally more important than a krieger's life?

[terse idol]

Remeber the whole thing with krieg is like

Even death watch

[tall torrent]

They weren’t as good at dying as their peers

[terse idol]

Technically don't survive long because they push themselves harder

[austere pine]

zealot also gets scions gear

[terse idol]

I mean because technically

The wiki

States that karskikan

Are also grenadiers

They're just elite

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s look closest to scions

[austere pine]

weird-ass mask

[terse idol]

Greandier in 40k sense are like elite heavy weapon troops

[crude fiber]

Im guessing we're still limited to red and blue weapons skins?

[austere pine]

zealots always just have scavenged vet stuff

[tall torrent]

I just need the green set for veteran

[austere pine]

yup, just blue and red guns

[crude fiber]

Cool

[somber axle]

Looks kinda like this dude from Mass Effect

[tall torrent]

There’re 4 free weapon skins in the new penance system

[terse idol]

Love volus

[austere pine]

cept for ogryn shank

[last parcel]

holy shit fat zealot

[tall torrent]

DC sword
Chainsword
Crusher
Ogryn cleaver

[austere pine]

where do you see these>

oh +3

nevermind

[tall torrent]

Scroll down on that penance page lol

[austere pine]

funny how only zealot and ogryn got their own skins

[crude fiber]

Wow, new cosmetics I'll actually see in missions.

[austere pine]

could have made power sword and force sword skins

or rapier

there's a cool cosmetic for zealot for chorus

[somber axle]

New cosmetics were direly needed

Half the people in quickplay looked homeless honestly

[austere pine]

it's not that good but expect to see more choruses

[tall torrent]

I’ve alr seen way more Krak + fire team veterans than ever before

[austere pine]

do expect shroudfield and trolling

where's the personality scrubber?

50K????

outrageous prices these days

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

You’re not gonna change it often anyway

[austere pine]

not a problem for many people, really, and that's also true

but i don't have that much at the moment and want to change my agitator zealot into a judge

[elder fiber]

50k gold to steal cadian valour

[austere pine]

call up GW and ask them about the real meaning of the fight for cadia

[jaunty sphinx]

I wipe my ass with 50k thats like one tenth of a good roll that hadron will brick

[crude fiber]

You can change name right?

[elder fiber]

yep

[bronze trout]

God smoke grenades are crap, they could probably increase damage done to enemies in them by 50% and I still wouldnt use them

[crude fiber]

Yay, wanted change all my character names to my username so people might recognize me after awhile

[tiny summit]

15-30s of ranged immunity bad? K

[tall torrent]

What did u do with them

[wanton dawn]

I am gonna play chill till i get the 10 auric without dying

[somber axle]

I want to change my Vet name so people don't recognize me because I've shared my Vet name here a few times in gifs/screenshots

I prefer staying sneaky

[crude fiber]

if i see the one other goober using a recon ill assume its you

[somber axle]

Wait to see if they run out of ammo 2 minutes into the mission

If they do that's not me

[bitter turtle]

im gonna hate

doing this krak penance

i fucking hate this nade

[tall torrent]

Oh it’s horrible

I tried 3 hrs, got 93/500

It’s gonna be grindy

[bitter turtle]

yeah

doesnt help that its honestly hte worst nade now imo

[tall torrent]

If u see pox gas mission modifier

Queue into it and farm toughness regain from VoC

If it’s not auric damnation

[hearty panther]

is that all?

just five?

aite

[bitter turtle]

lol

[tall torrent]

Scroll down

[bitter turtle]

ill keep that in mind

[timid otter]

I dont think i actually like the survivalist/scavenger nerf.

[hearty panther]

nah i mean, the title

like just five to earn a very nice and visible title

idk i expected 10 or 15

considering flawless is like that

[wanton dawn]

wait, it works ?

[tall torrent]

Non pox gas mission I’m getting like 300 per mission

Pox gas I’m looking at 2.5k lol

[hearty panther]

does it not work?

[tall torrent]

Apparently this one is bugged rn

[hearty panther]

owel then

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t track progress

[hearty panther]

oh i see the 10 one

[crude fiber]

my starting score, what yall start with?

[hearty panther]

weird, it's like their rarities are flipped

2400 or me

[somber axle]

2100-ish

[hearty panther]

never deliberately tried to complete penances tho

[tall torrent]

I started at like 2325

Currently 2675

[abstract moth]

Guys can someone help me out understand what perk I need to use on the 7500 kills on veteran, how is phrased is confusing for me and I don't know exactly which ability is telling me to use, the heck is under the effect of fire team?

[hearty panther]

in your aura, fire team

so be in coherency with that aura active

[tall torrent]

It means either u or allies in coherency with u need to kill 7500 enemies total when u have fire team equipped

It’s very easy

[hearty panther]

ie. just play with fire team

[tall torrent]

The hard part is 500 krak kills

[abstract moth]

Which is fire team aura?

[tall torrent]

Middle

[hearty panther]

middle

[tall torrent]

+5% dmg

[abstract moth]

What

[cosmic pawn]

??? 10 regular auric is probably far easier than 5 auric maelstrom
so i think it makes sense that even 5 maelstrom gets better title than 10 regulars

[abstract moth]

I've been playing with that a lot didn't even give me one kill

You guys done it?

[hearty panther]

oh you right i missed that

shit some maelstroms are legit just regular damn with hounds, so not really tbh lol

[cosmic pawn]

y some are fine
but in others, 2 bad teammates just fuck you over

[hearty panther]

ye

[abstract moth]

Nvm It was on another slot smh. Thanks for the input

[hearty panther]

but its easy to manipulate if you wanted to be deliberate about it

just dont queue up when its melee only or w/e

[bronze trout]

God damnit

[hearty panther]

oh thats easy

i wonder what triggers 'engulfed'

[quaint valve]

Think steam just went down

[hearty panther]

because just dudes passing through will trigger repeatedly

if you are in smoke yourself you'll notice that it's a debuff being repeatedly applied

[abstract moth]

I think the hard one is 250 kills with the right tree keystones, and mostly is because I've never really used it

[bitter turtle]

you can definitely

shoot and melee more

than you can throw krak grenades

right keystone should be pretty sipmle as long as you play a build that uses it

[tall torrent]

Oh no that one is fairly simple

500 krak kill is miserable

[tame lodge]

Yo, they got a penance for playing chicken with a sniper

[abstract moth]

I mean to me is annoying as hell cuz I've never really use it

Krak I think is alright, I'm already at 80 kills

[tall torrent]

500 tag kill is ez tho

I did it so fast

[abstract moth]

Lul don't tell me you swapped ping input to right mouse button

[bitter turtle]

its easy because its just kill 500elite/specials

[tall torrent]

No I just ping stuff very naturally

[bitter turtle]

you want to ping everything

charging it is a trap

unless its a boss

[tall torrent]

Charging it is a trap, period lol

[abstract moth]

And guess what the only 3 times I've had ping spammers they were zealots

[bitter turtle]

not even worth on monstro?

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it’s worth it tbh

Because ur combat minimum should be 2 stacks

And 5 stack RF

That’s alr a very sizeable dmg buff

[abstract moth]

I was teasing, I do it to, I think anyone should use it more often is so very useful, specially if thers smoke or your downed at least you spot the one the downed you and alike

[arctic rampart]

Anyone have any mod problems with the update?

[tall torrent]

For some reason my FSR3 frame gen mod had its UI ghosting issue disappear after the update

Not sure why / how

[unique sorrel]

okay im more ok with the surv change. still acoustic about wanting all the ammo, but even bad pickup RNG isn't that bad

[chilly sparrow]

The Pox Bomber is silent

[unique sorrel]

he's shy because he's new

[chilly sparrow]

[tall torrent]

He’s not silent, he’s just quiet

[chilly sparrow]

no sign of his jolly green ass anywhere

[abstract moth]

The voice is creepy I like it

[tall torrent]

We spent like 3hrs trying to find him

And every time we did he died instantly

[chilly sparrow]

The regular one jingle jangles

[unique sorrel]

i like his look, can hide well among dregs but very noticeable solo

but yeah, he's silent and so are the bombs

[last parcel]

i got spurs that jingle jangle jingle

[abstract moth]

The new modifier is actually pretty fun

[austere pine]

new shipmistress comms

[abstract moth]

Yeah since first game I played today I've noticed new voice lines for everyone, wish they'd added some more on the abilities too

[wanton dawn]

FFS, untouchable reset on game aborted

[austere pine]

HAHAHA

close and kill

[last parcel]

AND DO IT AGAIN

[abstract moth]

Wait I just noticed the name

[gray finch]

i just did 12 maelstrom auric without death and auric stor survivor dont count any of them

[hearty panther]

i just did that one

keep it tight

took three minutes

[old quail]

it was the first penance i got

[abstract moth]

Feels bad man

[gray finch]

i mark it as a bug for devs

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/penance-auric-storm-survivor-doesnt-count-corectly/93430/5

[last parcel]

thanks Fatshark, now I have to now explain to a packed KFC restaurant why I am casually fucking a rolled up Dominos pizza

[abstract moth]

I really dig the new infiltrator armor very secsy

Wish they added the the half ski mask with headset, oh well at least they added the headset

[wanton dawn]

I meant the standard auric one. Had an error on one

No my count seem not to move up on last game

[unique sorrel]

i like the comms headset, nice that we don't have to pay aquilas look like an xbox 360 era gamer

[arctic rampart]

true level is currently bugged. disable it. looks like im 1605 penances not even trying

[last parcel]

just update it

[abstract moth]

Want masozi pilot helmet

[tame lodge]

Might rock that one with the crappiest mic that I have

[arctic rampart]

I just checked, didn't see an update? https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/156?tab=files feb 2024 last update @last parcel ?

[arctic rampart]

oh, its updated now.. thanks

I'm blind?

[last parcel]

tis corruption from the warp

[arctic rampart]

its this gigantic face mask all I can see is blood and heretics

[tame lodge]

I got spawned 4 meters away from a DH

[bronze trout]

Drip acquired

[tame lodge]

Also lines for smoke

[wanton dawn]

Rofl, I got a OOM error

that's new

[tame lodge]

I mean, Alpha-C9

[tall torrent]

Alr lemme add that

[lucid pasture]

Yet another drip post

[chilly sparrow]

Jesus

High intensity feels like high intensity

[wanton dawn]

Ay, got my intouchable proc

[slow sky]

needing to finally use other classes again but this time actually use keystones and shit ive never used
thoughts on this build, i normally stick with shout and weapon specialist cuz zealot main

actually idk why i included the dclaw
you cannot pry that out of my hands

[winter grove]

Mk3 helbore 😭

[frank ether]

I don't know about krak and helbore 3

bit redundant

[slow sky]

penances

[winter grove]

What penance makes you use mk3 hellbore

[frank ether]

well just run something other than the elephant gun then

maybe helbore 2 or 1

tho Idk who cares I guess, can compensate by just better melee

could probably finish a game fine with just d.claw alone

[slow sky]

i mean whats so different about them
like iirc the 3 is the slowest but most damaging, the 1 is the fastest but lowest damaging, and the 2 is in the middle right
but onslaught literally exists right

[frank ether]

they shoot way faster and still one shot most stuff worth shooting

[winter grove]

Dogshit bayonet

[frank ether]

also better bayonet on 1-2

[slow sky]

tbh i dont think ill be bayonetting anything

[winter grove]

Also 1 and 2 hit the breakpoints needed

[frank ether]

I don't even need onslaught on helbore 2

[winter grove]

And iirc they got better dps

[hearty panther]

the three is just to utterly dunk on monsters

if you ever wanted to know what a ranged thunder hammer would feel like

helbore MKIII

[frank ether]

Thats about all 3 has going for it

if you're cracked at popping headshot after headshot

it will nuke a boss from range

[fair river]

Im starting to think that doing qp is a mistake

[hearty panther]

one tap a beast of nurgle in its pimple

[frank ether]

oh and it can also nuke carapace really well but like, its so damn slow I don't know if its worth the hassle to go pure glass helbore 3 for that

Like I had a one shot crusher build but it was so stupid I just decided its pointless

althought...

with the buffs to MF that may have changed

[hearty panther]

also ran with another vet who had survivalist

still ended the match with only 100 rounds missing in my mk6 and used it exactly as much as i intended to

seems just fine

him and his plasma gun tho? not so much

but he never hit orange cause ammo pick ups

[austere pine]

to me it looks like a mcdonald's drive thru headset

100% bias because i work there, but still

[winter grove]

Now you can kill heretics in ronald mcdonald's name

[austere pine]

the company just threatened to fire me because of something they came up with on the spot

only one i'll be killing is ronald mcdonald himself

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-bushes-molotov-cocktail-bye-now-leaving-gif-17226887

[nova lagoon]

my new name : )

if only i could use numbers : (

[tame lodge]

Little correction it's 19 instead of 9

"Alpha-C19 Smoke"

[tall torrent]

ok thx

does he pronounce C-1-9 or C-19

as in "one-nine" or "nineteen"

[tame lodge]

Nineteen

[tall torrent]

[wanton dawn]

Ill be honest that is the only thing i memorized from this post

[sharp epoch]

Anyone have to update their mods for this patch? I'm thinking leaderboard might not work with the melk stuff on tab

[last parcel]

True Level got updated

if leaderboard is the same as scoreboard, that works fine for me

[sharp epoch]

okok thansk

[wanton dawn]

Freaking losing your streaking on a join game with 3 dead on a poxgas bomber

Guess its time to stop

[arctic rampart]

anyone else getting 2001 disconnect & crashes

[wanton dawn]

Thats on me trying to switch it out when i know random are shit at fog

[arctic rampart]

wonder if you need april mod framework update? (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/8?tab=files)

[spice osprey]

trying to do Make Every Shot Count penance, any pointers and tips chat?

[frank ether]

Idk my mods seem to work fine

don't really use weapon customization or anything fancy though

[velvet edge]

Does a build going down into Weapons Specialist keystone still work with the changes?

[winter grove]

Holy shit is that drip that fits bootleg poster helmet?

[molten hound]

are karnak twins gone

never killed them on damnation

[bronze trout]

The armor is black like the helmet so yeah

[winter grove]

It's the armor for smoke and stealth right?

Did you use this by any chance but with stealth

[frank gyro]

can you change your characters name now?

[winter grove]

✓

[arctic rampart]

@velvet edge yeah. the executioner's stance got strongly buffed so you might want to test it. (staying weapon specialist with power sword tho)

[tame lodge]

Some gunners and kept shooting when smoked

I need more tests before saying that the smokes are bugged

[winter grove]

I am gonna use this

But with stealth and WS

Sacrificing surv for point economy

[frank gyro]

which power sword is the better option?

[winter grove]

6

[tame lodge]

So, if anyone using smokes out there, pay attention to that and let us know

[bronze trout]

It is and I used some wonky ass right side build

[winter grove]

Please show

I love wonky ass shit

[bronze trout]

I used this one but I subbed in a knife https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a5a6bdb-f553-43d1-87f9-ff2301f1e185/deathworld-veteran-stealthmelee-everything-killer

I made some other changes along the way but it was kinda eh

Takes like 5 or 6 games to get the smoke grenade achievement if your throwing them at every horde

[winter grove]

Oh that's almost perfect

It doesn't use argi shotgun and doesn't recommend one

But that's perfect

I'll use it

[arctic rampart]

@frank gyro 6 if you like using the block attack. 3 if you want to be more defensive.

[hollow ibex]

Just use 6

Don’t waste your time with 3

[winter grove]

I can tweak it a bit

[hollow ibex]

PS is a pain in that ass to roll for

[arctic rampart]

I don't think it's a waste of time, I like 3.

[winter grove]

I mean the build

[hollow ibex]

And there’s no reason to roll both

[winter grove]

Mk3 is Mk6 but worse

[hollow ibex]

Literally a waste of plasteel

[arctic rampart]

mk3 has less gimmicky activation so it is a little more defensive. most use 6. you should try both you'll eventually have too much plasteel and dockets will be limiter as you roll for perfect weapons

[winter grove]

Mk6 is just better

Don't waste time with Mk3

[arctic rampart]

Trying out new personality (at barber). Cool addition with this patch!

[hollow ibex]

Pretty sure that mk3 doesn’t get the block stamina cost reduction that mk6 does

So mk6 is better defensively too

Peak fatshart balance

[unique sorrel]

does height still have gameplay impact?

[somber axle]

If you make yourself really short enemies can't shoot you behind some cover when they can if you are max height. But if you are max height you can shoot over shorter team mates easier

[winter grove]

Meleeing higher enemies feel wonky

Esp if you try hittin weakspots

Can attest because I made my veteran minimal height

[wise fossil]

Does anything besides personality and Cadia matter for vet voice lines?

[winter grove]

Not really

[wise fossil]

Like any of my woesome backstory options

[winter grove]

But cutthroat is crigne

[winter grove]

At least you can create lore of your reject as an OC

(you'll forget the options you took probably)

[wise fossil]

How so? I've been professional

[somber axle]

Wdym I am min height Vet and I haven't noticed anything feeling wonky

[winter grove]

Cutthroat entire personally is "Wah wah Cadia Cadia"

[somber axle]

I have a max height Zealot too

[wise fossil]

I'll probably try loose cannon. Should be a good change of pace

[winter grove]

Loose cannon for life

[wise fossil]

Though I'll miss the total lack of chill on the shout for professional

[arctic rampart]

where is this block stamina cost reduction displayed? I don't see it on stats on either weapon. when I look at the spreadsheet on https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preliminary-block-efficacy-data-on-darktide-melee-weapons-against-non-monstrosities/82749 I don't see any difference.

[somber axle]

My Vet said corpse starch tastes funny and was sent to the prison ship over it. I remember it because I thought it was incredibly stupid but also incredibly funny

[hollow ibex]

It’s discussed in Crabs in depth guide on power swords on YT

[winter grove]

Reasons the rejects got convicted are all stupid and funny, but nothing stops you from thinking of better reasons

[hollow ibex]

Milkandcookies channel has that guide iirc

[fallow fjord]

Should I get this from the milkman

[somber axle]

Tbh I love the Vet's stuff I chose even if I remember almost none of it. It makes her talking about digging latrines for the Tempestuous Scions, watching a platoon of hers die and survive as the only one covered in all their blood or knowing about Morrow serving on Armageddon funnier. This was a class act Vet who put her life into serving the Empire. She shed blood, sweat and tears for them. She made the enemy shed more. And she got reported for saying corpse starch tastes funny then ended up serving in a penal legion during a chaos invasion of Atoma. It makes her sass and sarcasm so much sweeter

[fallow fjord]

Oh oops, this is for my zealot, wrong channel

[somber axle]

Loose Cannon best always

[winter grove]

I remember making my Vet more or less the elite gun guy who got convicted and got the green uniform that I don't remember means what

Something about faith

[tall torrent]

No

[winter grove]

Honestly I based him off the Norscans from fhe fantasy WH and I can't imagine him with the Cutthroat or the Professional voices

You know that feeling when voice matches the person?

[somber axle]

I have yellow and it means insubordination iirc

I don't remember what green is either

[winter grove]

Something about faith

[low wagon]

Yes. Perks are decent, blessings would be probably Brutal Momentum and Headtaker... it will serve you well. Normally you would want dmg vs unarmoured on veteran to hit breakpoints for one-hitting trash without stacks... but on zealot you might get enough power from talents for that. But ultimately you really want higher finesse and Rashad variant.

[winter grove]

I just imagined him accidentally worshipping Khorne and thinking it was Emperor

[somber axle]

Zealot screaming blood for the Emperor, skulls for the Emperor, etc.

[winter grove]

Also that

But I've got him with red uni

Which is insubordination btw

[somber axle]

yellow outfit if I remember

[winter grove]

Fanatical old man says fuck you to orders because he has god emperor in his head that calls him stud muffin

[somber axle]

LMFAO perfect

[tame lodge]

Picking "the voices" big brain move

[somber axle]

my Zealot's thing was really stupid because she was sent to a penal legion for not getting out of the way of some nobleman in time and he accidentally bumped into her

[winter grove]

I love making up lore for the characters

Even if it's wrong to the reasons why they're convicted

Both of my psykers got blue uniforms because "I am not a big fan of the government"

[somber axle]

30 on 30

[maiden pilot]

the survivalist nerf actually feels rather reasonable now that i've actually played it

[somber axle]

yeah it's not as bad as a lot of people made it out to be but it does make some people sweat searching for tins that didn't have to before

[winter grove]

Survivalist just made other two auras niche as fuck

[maiden pilot]

agreed

[low wagon]

The game had too much ammo. To the point it almost didn't matter.

I'm all for getting more interesting and challenging game with more resource management.

[winter grove]

And Ogryn got the yellow jacket because he was too stupid to understand what the miners wanted from him so he did his job very bad

[austere blade]

Best Auric Damnation I ever played

[low wagon]

I just hope player will start using their damn melee weapons, as they always should have...

[somber axle]

my Ogryn's story was so sad
he was helping carry heavy boxes for people and they left him at the drop site because they forgot him

it's ok though

he's an Ogryn so he probably forgot them shortly after too

[maiden pilot]

30 on 30 on 30

[winter grove]

"Damn they left me.."
5 seconds later
"Wait why the fuck did I come here"

[somber axle]

LMFAO exactly

[maiden pilot]

how do you forget about an ogryn

lad must've had a rather neglectful team

[winter grove]

Also remembering about how you choose lore for your characters I immediately remembered why rejects might be best thing Mourningstar had

Some veteran probably could be a tempestus scion at one point of life in guard

[maiden pilot]

creating a backstory for your characters must be really fun. i don't know much about the lore though unfortunately

[winter grove]

Don't know much of wh40k lore, got more of a basic knowledge

Tempestus Scions are basicaly Imperial guard but imagine casualties being single digits and not billions

[maiden pilot]

that's insane

[winter grove]

The Elite of the guard

They also get lasguns that actually hurt alien species

[maiden pilot]

that's also insane

i'm praying for the possibility of vets getting las pistols at some point

probably only earnable through penances due to how important they seem to be, to keep things lore friendly

[winter grove]

Vets already get laspistols in game

[maiden pilot]

oH

oh shoot i meant plasma pistols

[winter grove]

Ah

Why plasma pistol if you have a whole ass plasma rifle

Hell, even bolters in guard are lore accurate iirc

[maiden pilot]

cuz i wanna be like the traitor captain boss

minus the traitor part

[maiden pilot]

this, + the leaked two handed power sword

and the shout

i'm sure you can see the vision

[winter grove]

Yeah I do

Commissar loadout

Minus the friendly fire

[ivory moon]

Tempestus scions are the elite troopers of the inquisition, they are more usefull to fight against xenos or extraction missions😎🤝

[maiden pilot]

until they make a comment about the odd taste of corpse starch apparently

[winter grove]

Also they look badass

[maiden pilot]

just realized one of the new vet cosmetics look similar to that armor

[winter grove]

There's already scion helmet in game

Even before the update

[fair river]

Want blue version

[ivory moon]

Hoppefully we get elite gear like hellguns, hellpistols or boltpistol n plasmapistols

[winter grove]

Just a reminder that Tempestus Scions are basicaly the elite of the regiment

So the scion looks vary

Kasrkins and Krieg Grenadiers are a good example

[ivory moon]

We have steel legion, krieg, cadian, chem dogs, valhalla, catachan, elyssian skins, hope to get vostroya or mordian soon

[arctic rampart]

If anyone else was crashing. Seems like updating true level, darktide modframework (from early april) combined with installing weapon customization lua (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277?tab=posts) has stabilized my install

[winter grove]

Mordian guard doesn't look really military like every other one

[ivory moon]

But it's a Militarum regiment so i hope we get it

Im buying every Militarum skin

[winter grove]

I'd really consider buying either Vostroyan or Valhallan

Russians with lasguns

[ivory moon]

Valhallan was on the shop 2 weeks ago if im not mistaken

[winter grove]

Fuck

[faint perch]

How does the vet nerf feel?

[winter grove]

Justified

[faint perch]

Really? Don’t even think it could be partially reverted?

5 seconds just feels like forever

[ivory moon]

What nerf, scavenger thing?

[faint perch]

Yea

[ivory moon]

Damn, i havent play it yet

Hope it doesnt change much of gameplay

[winter grove]

Yup, it's justified

[tall torrent]

No

[bright cliff]

gonna bite the hand that feeds me here but would you put thrust on a rashad mkii on a stealth zealot

[ivory moon]

Theres art about hellguns, hope we get it soon

[bright cliff]

or is it better to keep with headtaker

[tall torrent]

Not rly

[bright cliff]

what the fuck why does the achlys 8 do that

[tall torrent]

Because Achlys 8 uses heavy 1 most of the time

[bright cliff]

nah yeah I read the guide

I'm asking why the hell fatshark made it do that

[kindred stump]

What should I change for this one?

[fleet garden]

so remind me why ammo aura got nerfed?

[hollow ibex]

Justified only if they rework the ammo economy

[crude fiber]

trolltide

[hollow ibex]

Cuz they hate fun

[fleet garden]

feels awful

[stark hinge]

I’d keep brutal momentum and elite damage and swap the others for headtaker and whatever damage perk you prefer

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad rn tbh

[hearty panther]

Scavenger is lucky it still has two working kneecaps and isn't sleeping in a shallow grave

[somber axle]

hey is this new?

[old quail]

yes

[tall torrent]

Yes

[somber axle]

it's on this mission

[old quail]

theres a jump puzzle in the alley beside it

[somber axle]

NEW PUZZLE

[stark hinge]

I wish there were more ways to recover ammo rather than rely on random placements

[old quail]

to get the power cell

it opens a door in the building its connected to

gets u a skull

[tall torrent]

There’re a bunch of puzzles

[civic venture]

Scavenger nerf is kind of unreal lol
Thought they would at least make it like 2.0%-2.5% or something.

[winter grove]

I don't see a problem

[stark hinge]

Without scavenger you have minimal control over how much ammo you may find, your best option is to check every spawn and hope for the best

[tall torrent]

I’m playing plasma without ammo aura for penances and I’m averaging like 6~8 ammo pickups right now

[hollow ibex]

You will once you get three lugger ogryns on your team

[tall torrent]

It’s more of a Gunlugger problem than an aura problem let’s be honest

[hollow ibex]

You’re not wrong but it just makes it that much worse…

[stark hinge]

Gunluggers are perfect how could you

[hollow ibex]

Which is why I was saying there should be an ammo economy rework

[winter grove]

When there are three ogryns on my team and I am veteran there's a different problem that affects me much more

[hollow ibex]

I guess it’s less of an issue for me now that I main knife and get first dibs on everything

[tall torrent]

Imo, if plasma (current worst ammo economy gun for veteran) doesn’t need more than 8 pickups (without survivalist) then there should be enough around for other people

[hollow ibex]

You would think…

[stark hinge]

I wouldn’t say it’s the worst ammo economy when it has infinite cleave

[tall torrent]

It’s not my problem that people don’t know how to loot

[stark hinge]

Maybe if you charge it

[hollow ibex]

It does become your problem if you’re relying on ammo pickups to sustain

[frank cove]

Hey, thinking about experimenting with something other than Rashad/Power Sword/Combat Blade. What’s the best shovel to give a try?

[tall torrent]

In terms of general use and ammo regain vs consumption ratio it’s worst if not top 3 worst

[winter grove]

Mk7

[tall torrent]

Especially considering that you don’t regain a lot of ammo from lined up shotgunners or hound waves anymore

[winter grove]

@tall torrent would you call mk12 chainaxe a discount rashad?

[stark hinge]

Well, it is the best gun in the game

[tall torrent]

Not rly

It’s a specialized anti-elite tool

[tall torrent]

And is balanced by the fact that it has garbage tier ammo economy now, which I think isn’t the worst way to go abt it

[winter grove]

Feels like a good thing to pair with mg4 for obvious reasons

[frank cove]

Thanks!

[tall torrent]

Sure cleave can use nerf

I agree with that

[fleet garden]

revert the ammo aura nerf

feels awful to play

[stark hinge]

I don’t mind it being balanced that way, similar to the bolter, but the ammo economy in the game overall is weird. Maybe it’s just me

[tall torrent]

What guns are u mainly using rn

[winter grove]

It's just you

[hearty panther]

just buff the other auras to be comparable to old survivalist, like 100% damage and 25% move speed to start

fatshark obviously hates fun

[fleet garden]

nah nerf is horrible

nerf dmg or something but not ammo

[arctic rampart]

I like the ammo nerf cause its noticeable. Makes melee and efficiency more important.

[stark hinge]

On vet I use plasma gun, all the auto guns, and the revolver that doesnt fan mainly

[arctic rampart]

Smoke grenades are still trash btw...

[winter grove]

Womp womp

[stark hinge]

?

[fleet garden]

one step forward, ten steps backwards'

[winter grove]

I can see why you're complaining about the nerf now

[stark hinge]

I’m not complaining about the nerf actually

[tall torrent]

Plasma ammo economy is genuinely not good now and I think u just have to play around that

Autoguns I haven’t had issues with, I think as long as you’re not trying to shoot literally every enemy in the game you should be fine

Revolver ammo economy is also noticeably worse than before just like plasma, smth to adjust to

Also plasma can’t open bulwarks from front anymore unless u have exe stance active

[stark hinge]

Im not worried about the nerf at all. Just being critical of the ammo system in general

[winter grove]

Don't see a problem in it personally

[stark hinge]

Nothing wrong with that

[tall torrent]

I don’t think this is a perfect solution but it’s better than before

[stark hinge]

I don’t like a lack of control

[arctic rampart]

Really what we're complaining is they didn't buff either of the other aura amiright

[tall torrent]

Not rly they’re pretty on par for normal auras

[winter grove]

The ammo economy is built that way because darktide gives you melee as primary weapon
I think so at least

[fleet garden]

if you play any autogun or something more spammy then the nerf feels horrible

now if you group up with other vets its even worse because everyone wants ammo

[tall torrent]

Only 2 busted auras were survivalist and seer’s presence

[winter grove]

I haven't noticed the nerf with MG4

Like at all

[arctic rampart]

the zealot toughness one is strong

[rigid pilot]

Seers still broken

[tall torrent]

MG4 is not possible to run out

[fleet garden]

columnus feels horrible

[winter grove]

I use it against literally every enemy rn

[fleet garden]

just did auric histg with 4 vets and it was bad

[winter grove]

Horde? Shoot
Elite/Special? Shoot

[tall torrent]

What were they using

[arctic rampart]

plasma felt fine still, had to use melee a little more

[winter grove]

Mk12 chainaxe if I feel like crusher should immediately die

[tall torrent]

And how many ammo packs did they take

[fleet garden]

me on columnus, one with revolver, another one had aither columnus or agripinaa and forth was autogun

[arctic rampart]

@winter grove you misspelled mk4 chainaxe

[tall torrent]

Did they shoot the entire game

[winter grove]

Mk12

[umbral scaffold]

EXE stance virgins
ZIP pose sex-havers

[fleet garden]

you just run out now, especially when its histg

[tall torrent]

Were they shooting the entire game tho

[stark hinge]

I agree that ammo is just a tool to support the melee gameplay, like grenades for example, but there are many many more ways to have control over the grenade economy, compared to ammo’s survivalist + reserve increasing nodes

[winter grove]

Ogryns and Zealot have no control over grenade economy either

[rigid pilot]

Inb4 next patch introduces melee wep durability

[winter grove]

Veteran is a special child that make pipe bombs on the go

[arctic rampart]

Its funny the biggest thing the ammo aura change make me think is that smoke grenades got worse.. cause you need nades to do damage more now

[tall torrent]

No not rly

[fleet garden]

most of the elites and stuff but not into hordes, like we completed the mission fine but it just feels bad

[rigid pilot]

Smoke nades you probably running melee build anyway

[stark hinge]

What about rocks and knives?

[tall torrent]

How much ammo did u have by the end, like a %

[radiant chasm]

I think it just encourages ammo efficiency, did a game with my agri brauto and vraks3 and ran lowish, but not enough that pickups didn't solve

[winter grove]

Knives are used by stealth zealots and every stealth zealot runs loner

[radiant chasm]

it's still one of the best auras in the game

[fleet garden]

zero ammo at the end

[stark hinge]

Knives are too good to not use imo. Just press a button while in melee combat and erase a specialist at any time

[umbral scaffold]

bolter no longer open up bulwark shield now was this change listed anywhere?

[unique sorrel]

it really is a problem that is larger than a single node and theyre probably not going to solve it

[tall torrent]

They said they tweaked stagger resistance on crusher, bulwark, reaper, chaos spawn & plague ogryn

[wise fossil]

Bulwark got buffs to account for shield nerf

[tough tiger]

indirect bolter nerf

🥺

[stark hinge]

Didn’t nerf it enough

We need a direct one next time

[umbral scaffold]

ah damn, I see

[unique sorrel]

bolter should deal health damage on firing due to the recoil

[tough tiger]

longer bolter reload pls fatshark

[umbral scaffold]

hell nah

[stark hinge]

And it should do friendly fire

[umbral scaffold]

luv me bolter

[tough tiger]

yes now that would be funny

i always wanted to make my psyker teammate explode without reaching 100 peril

[stark hinge]

We also need a random chance of dropping the heavy ass mag on the ground

[last parcel]

takes 4 shots with 80 collat now

[radiant chasm]

it should honestly be tied to pickups, scavenger/survivalist

like, team gets partial ammo when anyone picks up ammo, or ammo packs ahve more in them

[tough tiger]

even then i dont think its worth full auto bolter on bulwarks now since they also get 33% more health

[stark hinge]

I’d like something like deep rock galactic, earning your ability to resupply

[tough tiger]

ok hear me out.... gunners drop ammo for you

[radiant chasm]

having tied to elite/spec kills just throws balance out the window between difficulties

[tall torrent]

Hell yea let’s spend 50 diamantine to summon an ammo crate

[radiant chasm]

nah, still changas based on difficulty, which is bad design

[last parcel]

i'm leaving a trail of ammo crates at the valkyrie now

[stark hinge]

You got the wrong idea, 50 aquillas

[somber axle]

weird take

ammo econ is still really strong even with aura nerf

but then maybe it was just RNG on the last mission because we kept finding constant big ammo packs, found both medkits and both ammo crates

we were drowning in ammo

I could afford to spray into poxwalker hordes

[stark hinge]

But it’s random

I feel it could use a rework but that’s just my opinion

[somber axle]

normally I don't but that last mission was just begging me to keep shooting

outside of very strange squad comps like 3 gunlugger ogryn you're probably not going to have any trouble with ammo as long as you're not spraying into poxwalker hordes and take the time to loot ammo as you go

[crude fiber]

I think agripina special shot still 1 hit opens them up

Shotty

[last parcel]

i'll give it a try

[hoary horizon]

If Ulgo see bully it is ogryn job to krump em

[old quail]

exe stance doubles (i dont remember the exact number i think its 2x) ranged impact

and takes it down to 2 shots on bolter

[somber axle]

Exe Stance buff through the stagger threshold being increased on Bulwarks

this is the best timeline

[tall torrent]

If u proc survivalist all the time, you have 12% reserve ammo/min
If ur game lasts for let’s say 30 mins, that’s 360% reserve ammo back
On a Columnus Mk5, assuming u have 50% ammo roll (550 reserve) and take +25% reserve ammo talent, that’s gonna be 688 reserve ammo total

360% of 688 on top of the base 100% is gonna be 460% x688 = 3164 bullets
I’m wondering if you ever actually need more than 3000 bullets for a mission

[last parcel]

neat. just tried it and it turned my 72 collat bolter's 5 shots into 2

[wise fossil]

Does tactical reload increase the speed of loading the special shells on shottys?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[last parcel]

just check and that's still the case