veteran-class

[tiny summit]

It is actually funny. I use mk15 evis with shred and perfect strike with crit cdr. Relic uptime is so much

[limber pawn]

is executioners stance useless because you have enough breakpoints with Voice of Command? I wanted to make a build with exec stance but all other builds people are using is voice of command

[hearty panther]

you cant put a hard figure to the value the highlight gives you, and instant draw speed is going to depend on your choice of ranged

if you are already hitting all the exact same breakpoints then there isnt any specific reason to use it

but thats probably not the case, i cant think of a weapon that gets zero new breakpoints

VoC is just stupid easy and ridiculously potent so it slots in anywhere

[grand perch]

except for the tremendously useful highlighting

Oh, and the suppression immunity

And on a side note, the slight increase in zoom

[hearty panther]

oh yeah, forgot about the immunity

but they also turned that into a node

[tiny summit]

I use Exe more. I like it more than VoC for pure personal gameplay satisfaction reasons. Not much is gonna be better than short CD, team toughness restore, toughness overshield and AoE stagger. I like highlight because its my own personal satisfaction

[limber pawn]

same and its not only for satisfaction but taking out specials in a foggy place with ease

[tiny summit]

VoC was a mistake

and overall weapon balance

[tame lodge]

Agripina Revolver is addictive

[grand perch]

if by addictive you mean "use exactly twice then never again"

[final stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1229089721091756184/vivaldi_4_seasons.mp4?ex=662e6a00&is=661bf500&hm=9e618920f5497cfb9594a1f22555dc594f4bc0b8791ed6a5d31afa753cf64af5&

[tame lodge]

Hoo boy, that's not the definition of addictive

[final stone]

speaking of which where's my phone

wake up plugg it's 10am time to get your ass over here

[limber pawn]

I like revolver but exec stance is kinda dont work well with revolver I feel like I can take out more targets with other weapons

[umbral scaffold]

from when i managed to run the scoreboard on Linux i can say it with numbers 90% of playerbase is trash. entlied trash who can't even aim with a mouse....suckers

[limber pawn]

I land 5 headshots under 5 second so I feel like using revolver isnt effective

[umbral scaffold]

if u are using revolver on vet u are playing vet wrong

[gilded wraith]

Any builds that shine with the kantrael 1a?

[umbral scaffold]

the whatever works....1a is ok at best, so nothing really shine with it

[grand perch]

wut

i consider Ia the best of the bunch

kills everything short of bosses and carapace armor real good

[crude fiber]

I liked using agripina revolver on an exe stance build

Made it actually hit where I was aiming...most of the time

[umbral scaffold]

wtf are u saying? lasguns are awful against carapace, on malice maybe but anything past heresy wtf?

[hearty panther]

reread it slower

[umbral scaffold]

yeah whatever use plasma and be happy....

[tame lodge]

Weird take but okay

Specially because Zarona is top 3 vet weapons

[grand perch]

if your bar for a great weapon is whatever the meta is you are really missing out

[umbral scaffold]

so u have 2 slow firing high damage weapons on vet: zarona and plasma. One needs ads (meaning u waste time to aim), does less damage, has less critical change whatever the blessings, has less shots before reload; the other is plasma arguably the best weapon in the game: why the fuck u use revolver over plasma when they fill the same niche? U use zarona on zealot or psyker, but just cuz they haven't access to plasma....plasma is same as revolver but just BETTER, hence zarona is suboptimal for vet, hence is shit

[tame lodge]

Nah, bad take

[umbral scaffold]

it's a bad take cuz u wanna use revolver to cosplay something, but gameplay wise is true

[grand perch]

it really is

[tame lodge]

Plasma good? Yes
Should you play vet just to use plasma? No

[hearty panther]

if your bar for 'is shit' is simply 'not the absolute best' then idk i think youre probably just fucking miserable

[umbral scaffold]

second statment: i wanna run plasma, autogun or lasgun on vet....cuz they are 3 different beasts. U don't want revolver vet cuz is the same beast as plasma...but worse

[tame lodge]

So you can run 3 different guns, but can't run 1, ok, I've seen enough

[umbral scaffold]

it is, cuz differcence between weapons in this game are small, so the difference between meta/non meta is like 10-20%; basically anything that hasn't that 10% is mediocre shit

[umbral scaffold]

so go in auric and run shit and loose....your choice

[hearty panther]

only sounds like you're the loser here my guy

[grand perch]

elitist bullshit in a game where you can run any grey gun on the highest diffculty and be absolutely fine, this is making my day

[tame lodge]

As I run Auric without surv and win

[hearty panther]

objectively there are two actual 'bad' weapons in the game, the Recon Lasguns and the Power Maul. And people still clear Aurics with them.

[arctic rampart]

is the point of your argument to convince each other? because nobody else cares ... just use what you want and don't try to convince others unless they ask for advice.

[umbral scaffold]

why cuz i throw shit on your fav cosplay weapon? i hurt your feelings? LOL, i think i'm not the looser here

[hearty panther]

Everything else can absolutely perform, the nuance is only lost if you are determined to compare every weapon directly off one another instead of simply assessing their own output.

[arctic rampart]

video games are to have fun not to measure each other epeen.. the emp gave you what you got be happy with it 😄

[hearty panther]

Even your own response of "i can use an autogun or lasgun" doesn't hold up to your own argument if you throw in a comparison to the plasma gun, because that gun is just fucking dumbo right now

[tame lodge]

You tried to tell me to lose Auric when they are a walk on a park to me

[umbral scaffold]

recon is understimated....it's cuz ppl aim is bad that that weapon is considered bad, but it's one of the best weapon if u wanna conserve ammo

[arctic rampart]

anyone have a perfect plasma? plz link it so I know it exists and not throwing these millions of dockets in the drain

[last parcel]

jelkmaxxing my epeen rn

[frank monolith]

what are like the best blessing for heavy lasgun pistol km X

[junior rivet]

look in pins for weapon guide

[hearty panther]

they're still pretty bad. like the amount of work you gotta put in them vis-a-vis trigger control and positioning isnt really worth their trade off. shredder does their job much better and still lets you kill Maniac armor in less than a calendar week

they never really figured out the recons, i wish they'd just give the 6d its reverse fall off back

that was at least unique

[arctic rampart]

@frank monolith - Useful Perks: Flak, Maniac

• Useful Blessings: Dumdum, Ghost, Infernus

If I remember one of them has finesse the other doesn't.. the one with finesse is better

But you may want the auto fire mod to save your fingers from extinction

[umbral scaffold]

the point is not damage, but the amount of ammo u can keep running....again ppl aim is bad not the weapon....yeah damage-wise is suboptimal and columnus is king, but it does something different than an autogun

[arctic rampart]

(if you didn't know, dumdum is bugged and is more effective than the tooltip. So thats why its recommended so highly everywhere)

[hearty panther]

i have a lot of fun with the recons cause they pewpew super fast but i am not entirely blind to the fact that it is trying to be a laser version of the Shredder Autopistol while the Shredder has much faster draw time, reloads (ignoring reload cancel tech anyway, cause then the Recons are just as fast), much better crowd control output, and tremendous Manaic damage

the only thing that i give Recon a strict advantage for is that they really are laser accurate in ADS (but their range fall off is atrocious) and you can put Stripped Down to assist in getting close

otherwise its like, shit, idk, FatShark pls do a thing with them

[umbral scaffold]

no u can't compare autopistol with recon, autopistol is a worse laspistol.....what recon u are referring? the brown one is the right one, the others are trash

[hearty panther]

and keep in mind, this is the Shredder we're talking about, a weapon which isnt exactly top of the pack either lol

all three of them tbh

[crude fiber]

blue is fun to use tho...

[hearty panther]

but it's still the case that you can use them and win in Auric

[umbral scaffold]

and is the one with the shitty ttk.....

[crude fiber]

this is coming from a guy that likes to use the suto pistol occasionally btw

[arctic rampart]

Shock Trooper has an internal cooldown and doesn't give back so much ammo. Is it even worth taking shock trooper? I would love to use recon lasguns but its just so bad dps and ammo rtention. I dunno how you keeping VLD recon not in ammo pressure for the rest of your team. Even with survivalist you'll have to take some extra measures like really restrict your targets.

[hearty panther]

Shock Trooper is still worth it.

I mean would you rather no free ammo or some free ammo? Seems like an easy choice.

[crude fiber]

havent used the green one, isnt it just the worst of both worlds? low damage and fire rate?

[hearty panther]

God I miss the old Stripped Down.

[umbral scaffold]

nahhhh u want the brown....more crit punch

[arctic rampart]

When I tested it in the test area I'd aim right at the crusher head and even with brittle and rending it took a lot of bullets lul. Shock trooper made neglible difference

[hearty panther]

The trap I see most players fall into with the Recons is that they use them like Infantry Lasguns, ie. far away

Don't do that.

They lose like half their damage by 13m

[umbral scaffold]

and it's the whole point of the weapon.....crits and weakspots

[crude fiber]

shock trooper is for ammo economy not damage?

[acoustic wyvern]

the weapon itself is a trap

[hollow ibex]

can be fun, pew pew pew pew

even if they're all bad rn

[arctic rampart]

@crude fiber thats right. and when shooting armor even with brittle and rending the lasgun was a nerf gun that even with shock trooper took a shocking amount of ammo

[hearty panther]

It just isn't helping the weapon if you're using it outside of its intended design role.

[acoustic wyvern]

anyone supporting it in auric mission is on copium

[crude fiber]

pun intended

[hearty panther]

Like I wouldn't try to equip a Helbore in the middle of a horde and then call the gun shit

[arctic rampart]

I imagined an armor wave and thought nope this is just abysmal compared to plasma etc. better options... why would i use it? Even though I really want to...

[last parcel]

because it’s funny

[crude fiber]

but i can pretend im helping by spraying into a hoard of crushers with recon and onslaught to weaken them

[hearty panther]

dont do that either

[arctic rampart]

I admire your ability to take crappy weapons into combat. I don't find it fun to use extremely bad options when I know good ones exist. If its like 10-20% difference sure. But if its 300% worse no I won't use it

[crude fiber]

let me have fun

[hearty panther]

darktide is like sex, at first it's exciting to get any, but at some point, one of you is going to have to dress up like a dinosaur to keep things interesting

[hollow ibex]

it's shit, but it's still fun

[arctic rampart]

Wish me luck, time to spend another 2M dockets on the perfect plasma...

[tame lodge]

Weird analogy but okay

[hearty panther]

i have long been past the point where using 'good' weapons is interesting, the fun is in using less loved items and still learning to crush the game with them

[hollow ibex]

yeah using meta slave weps gets pretty boring

[crude fiber]

while i agree im not gonna run tac axes on vet. those are a zealot exclusive weapon for me

[hollow ibex]

i had my fun with them already, i like playing with random shit now

[hearty panther]

im tired of pretending that taxes arent a high A-Tier weapon and have always been

[umbral scaffold]

are u one of those randoms who stay face on the ground 50% of the time?

[arctic rampart]

There's one with BM right? but it has like strikedown and assassinate 🤣

[hearty panther]

im the rando you get to watch clutch while you wait to be rezzed, and then says nothing but gg at the end

[crude fiber]

are you supposed to say something else?

[hearty panther]

idk maybe ggez

[crude fiber]

have i been doing it wrong?

[hearty panther]

that could spice it up

-starts putting on dinosaur costume-

[crude fiber]

you leave your fetishes out of this

[hearty panther]

GRRAWWWR?

[umbral scaffold]

yes: 'go play minecraft or watch UP'

[arctic rampart]

Ogryn Father, show me your giant feet again..

[crude fiber]

ive been feeling a minecraft spurg coming along

trying to grind 250 of every mission is very tiring

[somber axle]

IT'S MY TIME TO SHINE

Took 11 shots to kill a crusher

Gimme 2 seconds to fetch the gif

More ammo efficient than CIAG and TTK isn't too far off it either

watch my ammo counter and know this isn't just psykanium silliness but this actually works in real matches because I'm a clown

exact same talent set up for rend stacking, onslaught, deadshot with three stam curios for total +9 stam, etc.

CIAG kills slightly faster and the difference is meaningless imo

Recon VId used 11 ammo, CIAG used 25

consider that the clip on a Recon IVd is over 100 with good ammo stat

and CIAG is 57

using twice the ammo for a kill means reloading way more often

[crude fiber]

checkmate CIAG users

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

don't get me wrong CIAG is still gonna output better damage on any monstrosity plus it is a strong gun that doesn't need the entire talent tree built around it to make it do this silliness

[arctic rampart]

Eww, no voice of command? I'll never use exec stance until they nerf VoC...

[somber axle]

CIAG users can run smoke or VoC or go all in on weapon specialist and play melee with a knife and still kill literally everything fast

they don't even need onslaught to kill a crusher

but Recon VId is capable of immense silliness

[tiny summit]

VoCringe

[somber axle]

tbh I used to run Recon VId with Infiltrate all the time and only recently swapped because I found the Exe Stance mini-game fun to do in matches

I don't really ever use VoC because it feels too strong like running with plasma or power sword with power cycler 4 and brutal momentum or supercharge (the brittleness one)

yeah they're objectively good but you run through anything and everything really easily

[umbral scaffold]

true

[somber axle]

CIAG's benefit is how crazy good it is while not needing the talent tree to make it good

you could probably run literally an empty talent tree and still do fine with a grey CIAG

Recon VId needs the the talent tree's love to make it shine and she'll still be a spark in the dark compared to how bright other weapons glow

but damn I love my little spark in the dark

[wanton dawn]

What is happening here ?

[somber axle]

just me being goofy about my love for recon again since I noticed someone else mentioned it

[tame lodge]

We had some bad takes prior the recon demonstration, but I guess everyone moved from it

[umbral scaffold]

with just deadshot u can take down snipers from the other side of the map, plus it can't still mowning down hordes and kill everything....if u wanna go crazy with it u can just pair it with marksman's focus

[wanton dawn]

I dont like ciag that much anyway so i dont really wanna argue

[somber axle]

I know I used it a while ago but I got bored of it tbh

it's objectively better than Recon in every way except like maybe ammo efficiency and no one will ever believe that last one

[umbral scaffold]

wtf are u saying? i said exactly what he posted in clips and we came to the same conclusion cuz apparently we both play the game for real

[tame lodge]

You don't know what PRIOR means

Smh

[somber axle]

yeah idk what else was going on earlier because I only just woke up and I just sorta glaze over whatever chat was saying but it happened to show me that exact message I responded to when I opened this chat today and I couldn't resist

[hearty panther]

players in general do suffer from poor understanding and poor trigger control. recons are especially bad for this, since you dump so many bullets out so quickly

[last parcel]

the emperor called for you

🙏

[wanton dawn]

He wants his gift back

[hearty panther]

i see people put 10+ shots into regular shooters when you only need five or six to kill

really hurts your magazine uptime to be wasting half your output into a corpse

[umbral scaffold]

true but they are really close damage wise, recon just require a bit of aim, CIAG does not, cuz body shots still have a punch

[somber axle]

yeah recons are very easy to just vomit away your whole ammo reserve and they're definitely still a trap for newer players

they will always look bad unless your whole set up revolves around making the gun look better

[wanton dawn]

Recon finesse is ass though

[hearty panther]

god i wish they'd revert the 6d

[wanton dawn]

Recon is one of the lowest finesse mod on vet

[umbral scaffold]

make me wanted to try it with deadshot, cuz i wrongfully assumed being lasguns they benefit from longshot more

[hearty panther]

right there with shredder

[somber axle]

you're right and I will never tell lies about how CIAG consistently outperforms Recon VId functionally speaking but for funny mode it's extra silly firing a barrage for what feels like forever and using maybe half to a third of reloads as anyone else while wiping out the same things

CIAG is better and other players will benefit from using it a lot more

the playstyle I run for Recon is not something most would want to do LMFAO

[somber axle]

are you prepared to let go of health curios and toughness curios to go all in on stam curios to chase the recon dream

[umbral scaffold]

u can still make shoot from wicked positioning CIAG can't cuz the recoil....

[wanton dawn]

Recon has other problem that are not damage

But again though: i dont really care for either guns

[somber axle]

man could you imagine if they buffed Recon finesse to put it in line with CIAG

it'd be the new meta weapon overnight

[umbral scaffold]

already done ....wtf a bit of positioning on vet is basic gaming skill....it's already broken in generating thoughness

[arctic rampart]

Where's my meltagun

[last parcel]

how it feels to play deadshot recon

[arctic rampart]

Also, I want a portal gun that also bisects ogryn's in half not just teammates

[somber axle]

literally me tbh and I love doing my silly gymnastics routine every game putting in way more effort to do the same things slightly worse than others

[umbral scaffold]

dude i'll tell you. recon is already meta for ppl who can aim

[somber axle]

I am clown behavior

[wanton dawn]

Meh. I see recon once in a blue moon

[arctic rampart]

Recon is the same thing as zealots using flamers on hordes

[somber axle]

I do too but on Psykers and I don't think they count as recon users, just people being used by recon

[arctic rampart]

THey doing it for fun, not effectiveness

[somber axle]

seeing another Vet in the wild using recon is always exciting

RECON BUDDY HELLO

[umbral scaffold]

nahhhh....those are the RE-tarded loadouts, same as psykers not being gun psykers

[wanton dawn]

Then again, i dont see bayonet user eithet

[umbral scaffold]

becuase they sucks

[last parcel]

mk III bayonet users hiding the sewers

[wanton dawn]

I can still get top dmg with it when i use it in auric

[last parcel]

oh wait it seems they have all killed themselves

[umbral scaffold]

yeah and not parry....great

[last parcel]

the best time i've had that happen was during a power interruption match

the lightshow was glorious

[somber axle]

YEAH

[hearty panther]

the ol double flashlight

[somber axle]

my dream is to one day do an entire team of Recon Vets

it'll never happen in quickplay but I'm getting a friend a new computer for their birthday to get them to try Darktide with me

[umbral scaffold]

i mean it's my second choice after ciag/melee, but i use it

[somber axle]

and I've got two other friends who also play Vet

[tiny summit]

no scavenger

[somber axle]

I just need to convince them to use Recon too

[wanton dawn]

I have a severe dislike for lasgun so

I will only use hellbore

[last parcel]

my favorite spear ❤️

[umbral scaffold]

and recon vet is far more better than ReVoLVER VEt, at least is something different, not the inferior brother of the plasma gunner

[tame lodge]

[tall torrent]

Nothing I got, I saw these from others

[tame lodge]

My brother in Christ, you gotta stop setting yourself for failure, some ill mannered person could exploit that

[indigo scroll]

hows the chainaxe with horde control?

[tall torrent]

Bottom tier iirc

[indigo scroll]

maybe w heavy attack pattern most the normals feel single target

[arctic rampart]

at best 2nd tier, definitely below PS, BM axes, chain swords, shovels, etc.

[indigo scroll]

im jus trying it, i guess my real question is what are the better horde clear melee's

[arctic rampart]

power sword, shovel, chain swords, combat axes with BM are tier1

[indigo scroll]

ok thanks

[arctic rampart]

see sticky for blessings it really matters on some of them to get to tier1

[tall torrent]

Basically every other melee weapon with exception of combat knife (has a caveat)

[arctic rampart]

combat knife isnt a tier1 horde clear though

[indigo scroll]

i like the way the antax mk V plays and i used it my early days playing

but im pretty sure thats what kept me out of damnation

i think im only comfortable w zealot in damnation

lol

[arctic rampart]

antak mkV and its slightly better (because of finesse) cousin Rasheed are tier1 but they really get helped by brutal momentum, even BM1 is good enough

[tall torrent]

It’s not great horde clear but if u build it right it’s acceptable enough

[arctic rampart]

@indigo scroll to damnation comfortably (1) get weapons that make sense to you and you're comfortable using in diverse situations (2) on vet take "voice of command" and the talent point that makes it give 50 toughness to coherency (3) you need to be able to dodge/block A LOT. almost all the time. E.g. rebinding slide helped me a lot.

Knife flamethrower zealots are still the most lethal thing I've seen in this game... skill really matters in that spec. I guess for most damage its staff psyker though?

[tall torrent]

Most people I see struggling in damnation QP suffer 2 problems

They either don’t know melee fundamentals, or don’t know target priority

[tame lodge]

I've seen my fair share of players that don't know melee fundamentals

[hearty panther]

lots of fundamentals, even

in auric, people rarely (relatively speaking) get netted, and if anyone does, pretty much everyone immediately moves to unnet them ASAP

in damnation, netting happens often and it's like, a 10% chance players react to unnet the way they should

[grand perch]

ive played with some fresh thirties in voice and most of them just struggled with the "normal" stress of damnation

too much happening

[sinful jacinth]

The thing that irks me as well is when someone gets net or jumped by a dog next to them. They just keep killing.

[tall torrent]

Depends on class

We had a lv27 psyker (HiHunt) who clearly didn’t know how to actually play psyker so he just smite/shield all game and only went down once, I’d say that’s pretty good

[hearty panther]

sure, there's some differences between classes

but the vast majority transfer over

[arctic rampart]

Thats why QP damnation and training them in hi-intensity with extra modifier on top is the right thing to do. Carry them through hell so they learn lul

[hearty panther]

like i suck at dodging snipers on ogryn because i just do not play him enough

[sinful jacinth]

If I have to get you up more then 5 times in one run. They are learning nothing.

[grand perch]

yeah its just frustrating for them then

[hearty panther]

it's just not always clear what the lesson is

and if your reflexive reaction is to just blame a teammate

then youre gonna suck forever

even when im netted and watching my three other teammates respond not-at-all to my plight and leave me to die on the floor, that's still on me

yes, they SHOULD be unnetting me

but i cant fukken control that

i should have not been netted

that's the only lesson

[arctic rampart]

The lesson is they need to improve. Typically its not happening in the run. You go back to your build, weapons, bindings, etc. It's fun to try to improve yourself by having noob teammates. Just try your best and hope the emp wills it

[sharp epoch]

It's still your team's fault for not unnetting you if they have the oppurtunity to but don't

[sinful jacinth]

I understand your mindset. But even the best player gets fucked over by random stuff. Team mates are there for a reason. Otherwise, you are just playing a solo game.

[hearty panther]

i mean i too will spout 'getgud' semi-unironically

but it isn't actionable advice in itself

its just something i say to people who rebuke actionable advice lol

[arctic rampart]

It's a mistake to tell anyone else to getgud, tell yourself that. Even if you're a 1000 hour god

(Which I'm not)

[hearty panther]

when you get netted, sometimes the mistake was that you didnt kill the bomber 30s ago quickly enough, so his bomb landed, his fire pushed you into a corner, you couldn't clear the horde, and you used your last grenade frivolously instead of saving it for just such a mistake

it isn't always just "oh i should dodge the net duh"

[arctic rampart]

2million more and the best I got was a 515

[hearty panther]

so it can be pretty hard to learn the game, and it's even harder if you are surrounded by people of equal skill (ie. not skilled)

[sharp epoch]

Change perk to flak

[hearty panther]

the worst thing you can do is play with people who respond to every misstep with "ARRRGH BULLSHIT"

[arctic rampart]

@sharp epoch yeah its normally flak, but I'm trying carapace a run or two

I might try 10% elites too since this gun at least let me try other options

[sharp epoch]

Even on like melee malestrom with crusher spam, I'd say flak is still better

[sinful jacinth]

It's fair not to blame 100% on the team if you get netted or mauled by a dog. Part is your fault if you are too far away on the other side. On the flip side of that teamwork is also a part of the game. So on that note team should shoulder that as well.

[umbral scaffold]

@somber axle VIIa with WS pulled out 1.3K crit

[hearty panther]

i cant shoulder anything on the team. the next time i hit quickplay, they're gone

it's a waste of energy

[arctic rampart]

Games in general is a waste of energy

Life is a waste of energy

[hearty panther]

so true

[umbral scaffold]

i'll prolly switch shocktrooper for marksman, cuz ammo efficency is already rooftop

[arctic rampart]

do you take rending or brittle on recon?

realistically is Kantrael MGIV the best lasgun these days? or is it the hand lasgun with finesse

[sharp epoch]

helbore

[umbral scaffold]

nahhh....i just run it with knife, brittle sucks as a modifier

[umbral scaffold]

enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome

[tall torrent]

MG1a is the best infantry lasgun rn

Both Mk1 and Mk2 Helbore are pretty good

[umbral scaffold]

theoretically laspistol is the best las weapon, problem it sucks on vet for what vet is supposed to do (shine on zealot thought), hellbore sucks IMO (mechanically speaking i don't give a shit on stats), recon are underrated alternative to autoguns (kinda of a lasgun/auto hybrid, still a lasgun at the end of the day), infantry are meh, usable but meh

[somber axle]

NICE

I'm admittedly less experienced with the Recon VII

I just know it can perform pretty good too

[somber axle]

yes

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bbff105-5e9b-41b7-a9ec-fd1cc84f0576/sneaky-cats-recon-vid-clown-build

this is the build I run for silly recon times

no keystone because you'll never have enough talent points to afford it with how you have to dip into the right for onslaught, deep into the middle for the 10% rending and down the left for deadshot and shock trooper

I guess you could technically swap the 5% crit node over to Focus Target

but I only just noticed I could do that

grenade 1 min regen is too important not to take imo

[umbral scaffold]

it's a crits generator...i think ws is the best perk to pair with it and combat knife for dealing with crushers cuz the gun can't (it can dead crit maulers though)

[somber axle]

you need either that or demo team for the 5% chance per elite/special kill to restore a grenade

[somber axle]

isn't weapon specialist ranged stance only a guaranteed crit on your first shot

though with my funny build it does kill crushers and maulers very quick

sharing again for reference (still slower that a Mk III Helbore 1 tap headshot crit or a CIAG bursting the head or a Plasma going to town)

don't need knife to deal with crushers because the recon eats them alive

revolver is also much faster to kill just tapping crusher heads

[umbral scaffold]

first 10

[somber axle]

there are better guns for killing crushers for sure but my build lets recon comfortably kill crushers too

[umbral scaffold]

depends on how many stacks u builds the cap is 10

[umbral scaffold]

i just knife them in the head, they are slow no worth wasting ammo on them

[somber axle]

I'd say Lucius Mk II Helbore is the best lasgun in the game by far for the ability to kill anything and everything incredibly fast up to and including Crushers while still giving you the ability to go ammo positive with it in no ammo maelstrom missions (and I don't think any other gun can do this to my knowledge)

plus Mk II bayonet is beautiful

stab dogs, stab muties, stab that single poxwalker that somehow snuck up behind you

weapon swap speed is awful but why swap when you can stab and then go right back to shooting?

it can put out some serious boss damage

just an all around amazing gun

but it's also far more difficult to build a good Mk II vs trying to build a Mk I or Mk III for the Lucius pattern

you need a good stat roll, unarmoured perk afaik and you want Weight of Fire/Surgical

I think unarmoured helps with a very important breakpoint on it but idk what since I haven't played with my Mk II in a while

[tall torrent]

First shot.

Or crit chain if applicable

Which in 7a’s case is 2

[somber axle]

best INFANTRY lasgun (for the Kantrael patterns) is definitely what other cat said
Mg1a outclasses the others

[tall torrent]

So u get 2 guaranteed crits out of weapon specialist

And 5s of buffed firerate

[somber axle]

Mk XII Kantrael still does well but the Mk IV and the Mg1a Kantrael guns are better DPS wise after the buffs

[umbral scaffold]

meh...lucius is a trap my dude, stats wise and theoretically is good, but that 'having to charge your shots to dealing damage' is not worth it, name any shooter that have weapon like that (eg. bows in d2...) they are considered trashy....

[umbral scaffold]

whatever it works as intended ingame....land crits

[somber axle]

no Vet gun is a trap in this game except for Shredder Autopistol and Recon Mk II imo (though I can't speak for Zealot specific, Pysker specific or Ogryn specific guns)

[tall torrent]

2 crits

On a gun with horrible finesse

[umbral scaffold]

enough to kill the bad stuff

[somber axle]

really any Vet gun can be comfortably run through Damnation other than the two I mentioned

[tall torrent]

If u want to enjoy recon lasguns I’m not stopping u, I’m just letting u know that the build you’re describing is not working remotely close to what you think it’s doing

[somber axle]

Headhunter Autoguns are brilliant, Braced Autoguns are brilliant, Infantry Autoguns are literally top tier
Infantry Lasguns are all fantastic, Recon has two good** patterns, Laspistols are both good for tapping heads
Plasma is top tier, Boltgun is at least A tier if not S tier, Revolver S tier, Shotguns A tier, Helbores S tier

almost all the Vet guns are very solid picks depending on playstyle

if you do not vibe with charging shots on Helbores that's fine because fun > function imo

(**Recon Mk VId and Recon VII are ok with the right set ups)

[umbral scaffold]

1.3k crit damage....i know what i'm doing, u have deadshot on top of WS and a burst of idk , a couple of seconds?, which is enough to kill a mauler fast

[tall torrent]

Ok u do u I’m not stopping u 👍

[umbral scaffold]

a bit too optimistic but ok

[somber axle]

I'm running close to 700 Vet games now so I've experimented with every weapon on and off since launch because running the same thing every game gets boring

I play Damnation pretty exclusively

they all work fine

(minus Shredder Autopistol and Recon Mk II those are both trash tier)

[wanton dawn]

I started to play auric damnation cuz I get bored in maelstrom

[somber axle]

always on the hunt for a fun fight

there are definitely way more experienced vets here who know more about the guns than I do and absolutely listen to them but Vet can kinda run almost anything it wants and still be an absolute force of nature in Damnation matches

[umbral scaffold]

it's just an alternative to CIAG, i need something for not hurting the feelings of 1000 hours re....erhm....players when i triple their scores

[umbral scaffold]

same and auric....better queues in auric

[tall torrent]

good for u 👍

[sinful jacinth]

I can almost taste the humility you exude.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[somber axle]

I don't trust myself for casual queues into quickplay Auric Damnation most times tbh especially after work (particularly on days I've hit the gym too) when I'm mentally static brain and physically dead

Damnation is my comfort zone for how I can be zombie mode irl and still not be a hindrance to the team

[umbral scaffold]

i'm running for the 200 offensive

[somber axle]

I don't trust myself to consistently clutch out solo saves on Auric Damnation with the funny builds I run LOL

I'll run Auric if I'm feeling spicy but otherwise just Damnation games

[umbral scaffold]

can work, 80% of the time u have enough decent teams in auric, save for the occasional smite's shitter and the 'idk how to position myself' ogryn

[sinful jacinth]

Auric for the weekends. Because the the "fun" people come out then. And I don't like fun.

[somber axle]

I have D&D on weekends so I can't 😭

[sinful jacinth]

To be honest. I can't play much in the weekend as well as a dad of 3. :p

[somber axle]

also I'm sure the average Auric player is like at a skill level where they're generally making for very good teams in quickplay but I don't like my personal skill level being tossed into it when I'm zombie mode

[sinful jacinth]

That's fair.

[somber axle]

Damnation quickplay I can be on 3 hours of sleep and still do my funny clown dances for Nurgle

[tall torrent]

I don't QP Auric these days for 2 main reasons

1. damnation same plasteel payout
2. I don't want to play lights out

[somber axle]

very fair

lights out might be funny for me since my recon at least has a flashlight

but then it's pitch black when melee comes out

[tall torrent]

lights out is by far the worst mission modifier in this game

[hearty panther]

incorrect

low intensity

unless your end game is having a nap i guess

[tall torrent]

low int is whatever for me at this point since I got a few of my friends into this game and they still need to learn a lot

[tame lodge]

Other than the numbers of DH, you can bring a flashlight, now vent purge

[somber axle]

new players just need time to develop awareness, get down blocking/dodging/shoving, learn melee weapon combos and learn map layout

everything else has a guide for it

can look up the right blessings/perks and stuff for any weapon but the stuff you can't look up is what takes practice

[tall torrent]

both vent purge and lights out should be intermittent intervals instead of "whole map can't see shit"

[hollow ibex]

vent purge isn't as bad as lights out

lights out is just aids

[tall torrent]

I told one of them to play crusher on zealot so they can skip learning half the melee mechanics

[somber axle]

can we get lights out vent purge together modifying the same mission

just let me turn off my monitor before I play a match

[somber axle]

I still haven't touched the hammers on my Zealot tbh LOL

I need to give them a try eventually

I'm just too in love with Vet now that I have the final penance helmet

[umbral scaffold]

auric damnation last night (don't remember if high intesity or shock troop): 2 ogryns and a zealot, zealots was pretty low skill but still decent enough to have some basic gaming skills, everything gone smooth for everyone, zero deaths. Regular damnation: fucking ogryn who keeps positioning in front of ppl shooting, got kicked out cuz he was getting the entire team killed.....you get the picture?

[somber axle]

just playing Vet because the Moebian Recon set + Penance Helmet with the rebreather looks beautiful to me

[tame lodge]

Relay station like

[somber axle]

I love looking like an NPC

[tame lodge]

Lights out during the elevator waiting

[somber axle]

I saw the Darktide teaser and immediately wanted to look like them

still waiting for a version of this helmet with the goggles too

[tame lodge]

Holy smokes, it's the dead guy from Hab Dreyko

[tall torrent]

I’m just waiting for next update so I can redeem like half the new stuff they add right off the bat

[tame lodge]

"Complete a damnation mission with X class"

[tall torrent]

I only have the complete X number of missions stuff left I think

And 1M kills

And Ogryn rush 60 in one go

And X missions with certain class

[wanton dawn]

I am trying some combat axe gameplay now

[tame lodge]

Reminds me of playing more Achyls or whatever the name

[serene bough]

does tac axe have uncanny

[tall torrent]

No

[serene bough]

F

guess i wont be trying it

[somber axle]

man

I can't believe I never noticed Focus Target was always an option with my recon talent set up

just swap 5% crit over

this is so much better and funnier

[wanton dawn]

Now add target down for the deadshot synergy

[somber axle]

if only

I'd have to find another point to give up somewhere else

[serene bough]

whats your tree look like

[somber axle]

I FOUND IT

one sec going to share the revised build

swapped off the points for the 1 min grenade regen in favour of the 5% grenade regen on special/elite kill

now she's PERFECT

for reference

my old build:

swapping away the points from the 5% crit node, 1 min nade regen and 5% TDR node middle tree frees up enough points for demo team 5% special/elite regen instead and gives you points to grab focus target + target down

truly a stam generating shock trooper machine now

you can kinda swap the 50% suppression node over to the node for +10% melee base/+10% ranged base damage boost for 5 sec on ability use but tbh it feels unnecessary and with how fast recon fires the suppression feels way funnier for making an entire crowd of shooters duck the instant you look in their direction

[arctic rampart]

what melee do you use

[somber axle]

whatever I feel like tbh but right now mainly chainsword

sometimes I go knife

[wanton dawn]

Seeing low level ppl all failing to rez and dying because of 0 situational awareness never fail to amuse me

[somber axle]

I want to try the Rashad Axe but I need to build a good one

[wanton dawn]

I guess C for effort

[somber axle]

I also very much love the Catachan swords

parry is #1

[arctic rampart]

rashad axe is good unless you also play zealot

[tall torrent]

Zealot Rashad is very funny

[somber axle]

I do play Zealot but I only have like 52 games on them afaik

less experienced with Zealot by far

[last parcel]

a good parry makes me bust

[arctic rampart]

fast laspistol on zealot is fun blue stim and hit F with martyr

[somber axle]

parry a rager head off and know true battle high

WAIT

I need to get a new gif for the TTK on Crushers using Focus Target now LMFAO

DPS is now significantly higher and consistently 2100-2200

this gif used more ammo count than my original one but still only used 13 shots

I tried multiple tests vs the Crusher and with lucky back to back crit strings they die in 10 ammo used

the stam efficiency is so much better now

perfection

this becomes much funnier if you use celerity or combat stim

can get up to 2400 DPS with celerity

3600 DPS with combat

just go through crusher trains like a hot knife through butter if you've got a combat stim ready

[tame lodge]

If you ever drop the Evis15 for the Mk2, keep in mind that it is a combo weapon

[somber axle]

main benefit to celerity stim with this build is that your stam just won't drop

infinite deadshot

killing one crusher I ended with only using 2 of my stam bars

[serene bough]

i dont like recon but i respect the commitment

[somber axle]

that's very fair

it has a very silly vibe

not everyone will like the recon but she is beautiful

[idle swallow]

currently in my big bolter bess phase rn

[somber axle]

man I hope the devs are not watching

I hope I don't get the recon nerfed again

[astral ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[serene bough]

recon will always get nerfed

[idle swallow]

recon nerfed columnus buffed

perfectly balanced

[somber axle]

😌

At last

[frank ether]

I agree with this

[somber axle]

My recon baby is showing what she's truly capable of

[frank ether]

r*con deserves nerf

[wanton dawn]

Alright, I'll bite

[junior needle]

Wrong variant

[somber axle]

oh rip that's the VIIa LOL

[junior needle]

7a is better at pulling raw damage numbers due to cleave

[somber axle]

I need to give the VIIa a try

one day I'll figure out how to do mods and start looking at my post match stats

[junior needle]

And kej always posts long games with large amounts of enemy spawns

So it gives an inflated number

[somber axle]

pulling nearly 700k damage with a recon and over a million total damage done combined with melee is still impressive tbh

his team mates were not babies by any means and all pulled their fair share from the numbers there

[junior needle]

Compare the ammo picked up vs the teammates

And you will see why

[somber axle]

doesn't seem an issue for the team comp tbh

[junior needle]

He’s also the only vet

So there’s very little competition

[somber axle]

I did also notice they run Dum Dum/Infernus instead of Headhunter and I'm curious now

[junior needle]

It says headhunter dumdum

Which is the correct take for the 7a

[somber axle]

OH

I misread derp

then yeah HH/Dum Dum

I must roll a VIIa one day and play it

[junior needle]

The 7a gets you double damage per shot on flimsy enemies

Albeit it doesn’t kill single targets as fast as max rending 6d

[wanton dawn]

Honestly ? Exil takedown alone is a mistake on higher diff

[somber axle]

that's fair and I'm sure Confirmed Kill outperforms it immensely + I could probably benefit more from the +1 stam node under the center top tree vs the 5% ranged damage node and the +20% ranged damage base on distance node

I could try swapping the talents around to feel them out

I will try it out after work

no time for more matches right now

[junior needle]

There’s no time record but a 40 minute game is going to have bigger end numbers than a 25 min game

And that looks like a 40 minute game at least from the kill counts

So you can’t just judge by “beeg damage total” alone

[somber axle]

and the extra funny part is 0 ammo wasted

[junior needle]

It’s not hard

[somber axle]

tbh idk how to read post match stats since I play entirely vanilla so I only look at funny damage numbers/kill count

[junior needle]

Just don’t pick up extra

[somber axle]

and that is a very funny scoreboard

[junior needle]

People tend to cherry pick scoreboards when posting for clout

Which is presumably why he keeps posting them

[somber axle]

idk even in cherry picked things I feel like it shows what the weapon is capable of

if it wasn't capable of this level of performance you wouldn't see it period

is it consistent? who knows

but it is possible

[junior needle]

You could pull those numbers with an autopistol with enough ammo and a sufficiently long game

There’s a lot of contaminating factors in actual gameplay, hence scoreboards are not terribly reliable as measures of objective performance

Even a mk2 recon can be made to look “good” if you blow enough ammo

[somber axle]

idk about that

like that sounds realistic but doing an hour long game to fluff up an autopistol sounds like actual trolling LOL

I can't imagine someone deciding they want to post a scoreboard doing a million damage with an autopistol on a match that ran over an hour and try to argue it as a genuinely good weapon

at that point it's just impressive for the sheer level of effort

paper vs practice stuff

on paper some things are possible but in practice you're genuinely not going to see it

[wanton dawn]

Build as some serious issue for auric

gg

[somber axle]

it's ok I'm a clown

not recommended for normal people

[junior needle]

I’ve literally talked to someone in this channel who did that, except with the recon 2

The general populace is not very discerning and will often misinterpret evidence to support pre-established views

[somber axle]

I will be the ghost running recon in damnation and auric

[grizzled pebble]

Run stealth shotgun it's based.

[somber axle]

Though yeah you're not wrong but it still makes me want to do a Recon VIIa to try it out

[wanton dawn]

Well, I did not enjoy the experience at all

[somber axle]

I have and it's a very funny way to play. Agripina is my personal fav but I beat Make Every Shot Count with the Lawbringer so it also holds a special place in my heart

[somber axle]

You'd have to be a masochist like me to enjoy it tbh

[junior needle]

It’s not very impressive, but you can forgo onslaught on it

[grizzled pebble]

I try to like the agri but the damage is so little. Kantrael does more damage at any range for me.

[junior needle]

It doesn’t have super scuffed modifiers like the 6d

[somber axle]

It is much more effort for less performance than the current top tier Vet weapons and the top tier Vet weapons are all meta for a reason

[wanton dawn]

Tbf I have been playing a very powerful build before so it makes all the issue very glaring

[somber axle]

But I hunger for an Auric with my new build now

I only just discovered I can make Focus Target work and now I yearn

Oh yeah this build lacks survivability big time. No infiltrate, no VoC, etc.

[wanton dawn]

Also again, only taking exil takedown without ck is recipe for disaster

[somber axle]

You either play perfectly with positioning, dodges, blocks, shoves, etc. or you die

Other builds will be tankier

[grizzled pebble]

I have nice kantrael. Ammo not high enough for 9 shots but it'll have to do.

I think the threshold for 9 shots in the chamber is 75%?

[somber axle]

Investing all in on Stam curios over any HP or toughness will make your skin paper and your bones glass

With no back up plan of VoC on repeat every 20-30 sec or Infiltrate to get out of bad moments

[wanton dawn]

Recon has horrible falloff, terrible maniac damage, very low suppression, and the build has no melee investment

You are food for rager

[somber axle]

This is my clown build and it is entirely for my own entertainment knowing full well other builds function better

Usually with ragers I drop a nade for breathing room if they suddenly appear

Then recon and blast them down

If they're at a distance and still on approach I can shoot most of them before they're close

I never want to melee ragers if I can help it

[wanton dawn]

You don't get to choose in general

[somber axle]

I am the Sneaky cat and my choice is entirely because I am sneaky

I did have a funny moment earlier today when my squad went down to a sudden rager pack that funneled in during a horde while we were engaged with 2 Crushers and the usual special spam

[wanton dawn]

Am gonna do a bit of bolter to heal my sanity

[somber axle]

AI director was angry

Dropped nade, hit Exe Stance and mowed down the ragers and finished off the Crushers

True bliss being the hero

😌

[winter grove]

What's y'all opinion on chainaxes?

[umbral scaffold]

i did the 200 offensive but with the wrong class

[radiant chasm]

mk12 is really straightforward and would be my pick for a veteran. mk4 is slower and harder to use,

[winter grove]

Ye I grabbed mk12 for the pew pew MG4 build

[arctic rampart]

@winter grove extremely big damage especially on 4 chain axe. it gets stuck in light attack, so either dealing with it or being an expert to not use it is important.

mk4 has light a push light attack that makes it very compelling. but its an experts weapon u need a lot of time on it.

[winter grove]

Light attacks are single target

[arctic rampart]

thats right, and it hitches on light attack horde clear.

[winter grove]

Heavies are for cc

[arctic rampart]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/chainaxe/orestes-mk-iv-assault-chainaxe https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/chainaxe/orestes-mk-xii-assault-chainaxe the 12 has lights for horde. the 4 is heavy for horde

but I seen others use light somehow without getting stuck and then thrown off game.. I dunno I gave up quick on it lul

For veterans, seems like power sword or chain sword or shovel or dagger are meta. See the combat axe etc others occasionally

[somber axle]

Hey so I just noticed this and the Agripina Shotgun's funny gameplay revolves more around being a bolt action rifle through the special attack. Full Bore/No Respite and repeatedly loading special ammo every shot** while plugging away at specials/elites. It has very funny kill potential on Crushers and it staggers them too letting you bully them very effectively. Non-special shot ammo will be worse than both the Kantrael and Lawbringer shotguns and for general Shotgun use those will excel more but imo the Kantrael Shotgun special fire shot is literally worthless for anything other than setting a bulwark on fire through their shield and the Lawbringer special shot is mostly for wave clear against Poxwalkers but they all have fantastic finesse values afaik so clicking heads with any of the shotguns makes them feel so effective for special/elite clear

(**note that you shouldn't waste time loading the special shot 24/7 because context matters and sometimes frontloading damage ASAP is more important than loading the slug. Like when a Rager pack appears and you need to clear them quick)

[winter grove]

Heavy sword??

[arctic rampart]

oops, is that zealot not vet?

[winter grove]

Yes

[arctic rampart]

Fixed

[somber axle]

Heavy Sword is Zealot exclusive yes

[winter grove]

Reminding you

Chainaxes can oneshot all elites with sp.heavy afaik

[arctic rampart]

personally I like power sword or chain sword or shovel more on vet, but yeah chain axe does work

[last parcel]

unless you’re a bot

[hearty panther]

yeah bot vet can have an hsword

its funny

[tame lodge]

Right!?!

[astral ingot]

this is the bot hsword

[winter grove]

Wtf

Talk about god roll for bots

[tall torrent]

They can also have a green camo Vraks 3

[tame lodge]

They also have good curious, wounds, infinite stamina, sniper resistance

[crude fiber]

what would yall recommend for this?

thinking of swapping unyielding for maniac

[shadow aurora]

Yeah

Unyielding is alright too though

But id take maniac

[winter grove]

Only thing bots don't have is intelligence

[crude fiber]

yeah im keeping flak and theres too many maniac enemies to justify unyielding over maniac imo

i love when bots start to rez someone so no one else can but keep stopping right before finishing it

[tame lodge]

Otherwise you would not need players

[lyric dock]

The bots are great as distractions on legs

The rare clutch

[split sapphire]

What are ya'll opinion of the weapon specialist keystone, yay or nay

[tame lodge]

Yay with specific builds

[split sapphire]

I like building it with a columbus mk. 5 and a melee weapon i enjoy for versatility, and with max stacks, unleash a blistering hail of bullets

[tame lodge]

10 stacks braced Graia Mk IV

Personal favorite

[split sapphire]

Graia Mk. IV, which is that again?

Oh wait, braced auto gun i reckon

[tame lodge]

74~ bullets

It's the closest to the left side artwork of the talent tree

[split sapphire]

Ooh, maybe i should try that out, what blessings you recommend

[somber axle]

Very yay if you love melee combat. Vet is more of a melee/ranged hybrid than a dedicated melee like Zealot and it makes the playstyle very comfy for diving in and out of melee. Desperado, Reciprocity, Agile Engagement, etc. all make for a very fun Vet that adapts quickly on the fly

[tame lodge]

The good blessings are Deathspitter and Fire Frenzy

But you'll be running into Stripped Down, Terrifying , Speedload and Hit and Run

I have tons of Graias with stripped down and H&R

Nothing beats running at gunners and shooting them at point blank

Maybe shooting them from far away

Still, nothing beats it

[arctic rampart]

@split sapphire the more you use weapon specialist the more you want to keep using it. It's basically necessary for slow weapons like power sword IMO. The other two keystones are good too though.

[split sapphire]

Ooh

[abstract heron]

if can only choose one for mk v , raking fire or fire frenzy

[split sapphire]

No dum dum then? Ok

[abstract heron]

dum dum is factored in already

[split sapphire]

Ah

[abstract heron]

more for 2nd blessing

[tame lodge]

Frenzy, considering raking needs to shoot their backs

[abstract heron]

im comparing deathspitter vs raking fire vs fire frenzy

any thoughts

[tame lodge]

If the tooltips aren't lying, and looking at only the damage itself, raking but it needs a very specific trigger

But

Frenzy stacks 5 times

So

Frenzy, considering only damage

"close damage"

[arctic rampart]

someone mentioned deathspitter tooltip is not one stack in reality dunno if thats true

[regal smelt]

Yeah deathspitter has 5 stacks max

It is kinda weird having the choice between what's basically power on close range kill, and close range power on kill

But if close range is 8m like everything else close range you're given a lot of leniency

[final stag]

15 meters I believe

[tame lodge]

That's really forgiving for "close"

[tall torrent]

deathspitter or hit & run

hit & run is pretty funny with crit builds

[hearty panther]

i need a new recon las

havent really played em since they dropped patch 13

have stripped down locked on most of mine ;_;

i miss old stripped down

[woeful ibex]

You guys think update is this week?

[umbral scaffold]

The update is never

[crude fiber]

they said april so probably april 30th at 11:59 P.M.

[hearty panther]

April 30 or 23rd

They almost always end up doing tuesdays

[radiant chasm]

april 30th is my bet

[rigid pilot]

GMT-12

[crude fiber]

actually weren't the late with the latest dev blog?

[hearty panther]

they had to cut stuff out

they wont say why, which means game workshop

[rigid pilot]

Late implies there was a agreed upon time 🤷

I guess they said end of March but they showed us one picture

[rigid pilot]

Cut stuff out of the update?

[tall torrent]

It’s as early as next week and as late as April 30th

[rigid pilot]

He's back

[surreal mountain]

Which shotguns should I use

[rigid pilot]

Yes

They all have their quirks, I used to like kantrael alot but now I'm a sniper slug agripinna guy

[surreal mountain]

Thank you

[rigid pilot]

The slug opens bulwark shields, so you tap once to open the shield and tap the exposed head for a clean kill

Even the normal shells are strong enough to two tap bulwark head

[split sapphire]

So quickly remind me the difference between rending and brittleness pls.

[finite carbon]

Rending is a buff, brittleness is a debuff. Both reduce the effectiveness* of armour

[split sapphire]

Hmm, interesting. Aight i appreciate it, ty

[umbral scaffold]

nahh it's good as it is, do the whatever perks save for carapace

and ffs sell those stupid boltguns

[junior needle]

It's nice to see my suggestion made it in

[lilac eagle]

Oh shit, new enemy type. Is that dude out or is he still being tested?

[junior needle]

Not out yet

Coming with the penance rework

[rigid pilot]

He's marinating

[winter grove]

The grind is over, I finally got this fucking helmet

[woeful ibex]

Congrats

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[pale rapids]

Finally got level 4 cycler after buying the game at release

[fathom frigate]

Got my hands on a Colomnus infantry gun, it felt great to play with, how is the gun considered in the meta rn ?

[tame lodge]

Top 2

[trim hemlock]

It’s a tie between Plasma, Columnus IAG and Zarona revolver

[somber axle]

I'd personally rate it above Plasma due to how versatile it is. CIAG will do very good for clearing a room of the basic shooters, gunners, shotgunners and reapers better than plasma or revolver most times with the only exception being that all the gunners are running at you in a conga line heads perfectly lined up to all die in a single plasma/revolver shot

[fathom frigate]

I'm not surprised, I had an ok one at best , put some ok blessings on it and it was shredding everything that wasn't in heavy armour

Thank you for the infos

On the otherside, whats the worst gun rn ?

[trim hemlock]

Probably Recon lasgun Mk2

It just doesn’t do anything remotely good

[somber axle]

definitely recon mk 2 yeah

worst gun in the game

[junior needle]

Ciag has the highest automatic dps in the game currently

Recon 2 is on the opposite end, the lowest dps gun in the game across multiple armor types

[fathom frigate]

Damn, welp I got a perfect roll one not too long ago

[junior needle]

Autopistol is pretty bad but at least it has good dps against maniacs

[fathom frigate]

I'm not a fan of the recons anyway

[junior needle]

Hold onto it, the recons are very much in need of a substantial line wide tuneup

[fathom frigate]

Yeah I don't throw weapons away

i'll just ask the vet playtesters to have a tinsy look

[junior needle]

Fatshark is supposedly already well aware of how much certain weapons suck

According to statements from playtesters and one of the mods, who is also on the balance team

They just choose not to do anything about it in a timely manner, as is tradition

[opaque kayak]

I wonder if we'll get any new weapons with the tox gas update.

I'm thinking, like, a leaf blower.

Or a giant fan.

[dire olive]

Ogryn gets a giant palm frond to waft them

[opaque kayak]

[somber axle]

I hope smoke grenades gets a funny buff by being able to put out a fire if you toss the grenade into it

Imagine triple bomber triple flamer triple tox flamer triple top bomber lighting up the map because the AI director was feeling extra silly

Vet drops smokes and makes a safe hole in Hell to stand in

Would probably balance it by making only the initial release of smoke disperse flame and not the cloud so if grenades or flamers light up the area after then the fires will spread through again

[opaque kayak]

That's a great idea.

[tame lodge]

GTFO deployable fan

[somber axle]

It'll probably never happen but I can dream about how funny it would be

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-14382673246413447193

[umbral scaffold]

tha foooooking helmet, not the fucking

[hardy ember]

Are the recons getting a buff? I’d very much like to see that happen. Love to use them. But they just are not on par with other weapons

[umbral scaffold]

VIIa already good enough, the other 2 kinda trash

[umbral scaffold]

'the brown one'

the last vet cosmetic is sick, not gonna buy it myself cuz fuck microtransations, but it looks wicked

[woeful ibex]

Update when?

[somber axle]

I think someone said either next week or April 30 as the likely dates unless it gets delayed last minute

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

Could be tomorrow

[umbral flower]

[umbral scaffold]

i mean there's a green, a blue and a brown one

FDE/coyote tan recon lasgun is the good one

[umbral flower]

Agreed

[somber axle]

VId is good if you are ok playing like a clown

I'm on the way to work but I can fetch the gif again I guess for memes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229154086952112158/sneakyclownreconft.gif?ex=662ea5f2&is=661c30f2&hm=f085c8fb883f3ade7dffd3bb956f4df463f93522c777799442c823dd9b50cb49&

[umbral flower]

Damn

[somber axle]

If you don't like Exe Stance it's still workable but you will be talent thirsty toward the bottom of the tree

I used to run Recon Mk VId with Infiltrate and could still melt Crushers fine

I just like Exe Stance for cutting down rooms of Gunners plus stacking it with Focus Target for good boss damage, melting Crushers and synergy with Target Down to regen Stam for Deadshot

[wanton dawn]

I finally got this little crap

[umbral flower]

Congrats!

[somber axle]

Nice!

[wanton dawn]

Imagine farming hab dreyko and the repair mission to get the 250 frame portrait

[somber axle]

Hab Dreyko is unironically my fav

[wanton dawn]

Yeah but 250 times

[somber axle]

Final segment is true chaos

Sounds like a new personal goal for me

[wanton dawn]

Here is the thing: if I don't do it in maelstrom I will get bored

And what is the point if you get bored

[umbral flower]

Good point

[wanton dawn]

You need to win too, so that mean to maximize your chance you have to maximize your win chance, and time to complete too

in other word, below your optimal diff

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

Haha yeah imagine trying to get 250 of every mission done

[wanton dawn]

Well, raid is easy

I have two 250 frames right now me think

Raid is the first you'll get most likely

[umbral flower]

I Can't blame him bc I'm doing the same thing haha

[finite hawk]

I wouldn't go that far, but I'm definitely in a love/hate relationship with that mission

[crude fiber]

It's fun till your only one killing the special spawns AND the only one scanning

Rais and strike probably take up half the mission pool so those you'll get done relatively quickly. Investigation and repair tho...

[somber axle]

I also like it because Masozi shows up to blow up the two bridges usually wiping up two packs of ragers knowing the Rejects can better use the chokepoint

Second fav mission is the one with the bridge of many martyrs because my Loose Cannon Vet always whines about not wanting to cross it

Plus you can see Masozi off in the background bombing the shit out of the heretics the instant the anti-air defenses are shut down

[somber axle]

That's why I experiment and swap builds/weapons constantly or swap class

And why I love Recon Mk VId because it makes every mission a frantic mess from beginning to end

Never bored with the clown dance I have to do with my Recon

Plus I love a gun with the mobility of a melee weapon (better than Power Sword by far) for sprinting, number of dodges and dodge distance

Really makes me feel slippery

[last parcel]

Wolfer watching the footage and seeing a naked veteran covered in butter just sliding and spewing out lasers in all directions

[junior needle]

The Emperors slipperiest soldier

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/bedtime-toddler-family-guy-run-away-chase-me-gif-15004711

[hearty panther]

how would one rework skirmisher

i wonder if it just needs its threshold reduced

takes a bit too long for it to register your sprinting when you start afresh

but you also lose all its stacks as soon as you're really in a fight which ... sort of counter to the idea of being a skirmisher

[somber axle]

become untouchable

[hearty panther]

its the one node i look at in the vet tree that i think is honestly just bad

[hearty panther]

like it just doesnt work, it doesnt achieve what it's trying to be

which is a stacking damage buff for being 'agile'

maybe it should be allowed to stack while sprint sliding

[frank monolith]

so close yet so far

[vague smelt]

That's Hadron for you

[lyric dock]

Might as well yoink Slaughter 3

[gusty pike]

plasma guns are neat

[wanton dawn]

Stack on heavy charge. Decrease number to compensate uptime increase. Favor switch between heavy and light. Or faster stacking

At the moment the uptime is the problem

[hearty panther]

it's the trigger mechanism, i found. i did two rounds of auric really doing my damndest to work with it

when you start to sprint, you have to keep sprinting for nearly a second before it starts to stack again

if you keep sprinting, that check is only every ~400ms or so

so it feels awful to maintain because of that initial one second ask

i tried to be a hit and runner but the fact that sprint sliding does not count as sprinting basically makes it worthless on that front

because i see the idea behind it, and the fact that it's on the right-hand tree --

the idea is that you are someone moving between key targets

but you dont do that in darktide by just sprinting

at some point though i realized that i was just asking them to give vet a miniature version of zealot's momentum

hell tbh you can actually fix skirmisher just by renaming it

call it pointman instead

and then increase the duration on it

if it gave me a 25% damage bonus at the opening of every engagement that'd be swell

because that's really all it does right now

ooooo wait

you could also just decouple the stacks from 'sprint duration'

just make it distance based

if you have sprinted for 10m total (or w/e number), no temporal window, you gain up a stack

so that sprinting at separate targets with charged heavies now actually contributes

wait thats momentum again

SEE WHAT I MEAN

[lyric dock]

Sounds like a neat idea. Get a nice bit of damage before getting into a engagement, but it may be too unreliable depending on how it resets

[tall torrent]

I think
1 stack/s when sprinting
1 stack from valid dodge
1 stack from killing elite or specialist
Duration starts the moment the stacks are active, lasting 8s
Gaining stacks in duration refreshes all stacks

So it’d be like zealot’s momentum but more kill-based

[woeful ibex]

https://youtu.be/OnyIdRfgdmo?si=fyS0ATJ0TJtp2Z9p

[tall torrent]

Let’s gooooo

[umbral flower]

LETS GOOOO

[tall torrent]

Moebian 6th armor for veteran looks pretty good ngl

[wanton dawn]

FREAKING TOMORROW ?

WHERE IS MY NEXT WEEK ?

[serene bough]

no meme for you

[lyric dock]

New update tomorrow.

Better start processing my request for time off and send it to my democracy officer

[umbral flower]

Good luck

[lyric dock]

I survived 2 fucking tours fighting the damn bots for Menkent a planet from hell

[umbral flower]

So you're the emperor's chosen

[tall torrent]

Yes

[somber axle]

OH WOW IT'S ALMOST HERE

[somber axle]

that's really good wow

[lyric dock]

That is a damn good set of armor

[somber axle]

Time to earn it

[wanton dawn]

CANT WAIT TO SEE RECON GETTING NERFED AGAIN

[tall torrent]

Zealot & Psyker Moebian 6th armor

Both look rly nice too imo

[lyric dock]

I hope Recon gets a bone and becomes more usable

[tall torrent]

I hope the challenge to unlock Moebian 6th Armor isn’t some bs grindfest

[wanton dawn]

I bet on a nerf to crit string to adjust ciag that will also touch recon

[lyric dock]

10,000 gun bash kills go get it

[tiny summit]

See Fatshark. Always give a later scheduled timeframe than you need. People can be disappointed when things are late, they can only be pleasantly surprised if early (save if the game stability isn't borked)

Seriously 2.0 but only with Recon on Psyker

[gusty pike]

do people still use plasma guns?

[tall torrent]

It’s meta rn

Maybe not tomorrow tho lol

[gusty pike]

What's going on tomorrow?

[tall torrent]

Update

[gusty pike]

and it's gonna affect plasma guns?

[tall torrent]

Maybe

[gusty pike]

I think they're neat though

[somber axle]

I like the chestpiece on Zealot and the funny metal glasses on Psyker

Overall think Psyker's looks good

Not a fan of the Zealot helmet

Also I hope they don't nerf my recon again LMFAO

Give me buffs and I'll solo matches with it ezpz

[hardy ember]

Wait there’s an update tomorrow?

Well I’ll be that’s nice

Just in time for because I got all of my class penances done

[somber axle]

1,000 Auric Maelstrom runs inc

[junior needle]

The moebian 6th cosmetics don't have the facemask

Literally unplayable

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[somber axle]

They're saving the cool face masks for paid cosmetics probably

[junior needle]

Max infernus stacks raised from 12 to 13

That's it

[split sapphire]

Better then nothing i suppose

[somber axle]

Wait do we have patch notes already

[split sapphire]

Speaking of infernus, i have Infernus IV/ and Headhunter IV on my Mk. VId recon lasgun

[somber axle]

Welcome to the Recon Crew

[split sapphire]

Rapid fire, buring/ crit. Laser storm

[somber axle]

Very funny gun

[split sapphire]

Yea

[tall torrent]

No, gonna drop tmr

[split sapphire]

My current build with my recon destroy's crushers, maulers. Or anything like those, long as i hit their heads consistently

[hearty panther]

been doin like this

been fun

[somber axle]

Can't wait to see them buff the Shredder Autopistol, nerf CIAG to bring it in line with AIAG and GIAG, give the Plasma a baby tap nerf that leaves it still at the top and ignore the Recon

😂

[cedar horizon]

oh dang.. for some reason I thougth it wasn't until mid next month.
better freshen up my Darktide.
been helldiving for so long so that muscle memory will interfere with Darktide for an hour or so.

[junior needle]

You're likely better off not shooting maulers heads honestly, even with rending stacking

Recons are all underperforming to varying degrees so hopefully the patch will include some sizable positive adjustments for them and other struggling weapons

[sinful vine]

Is the smoke actually useful never used it not even on my commando/stealth build

[hardy ember]

Nope best to stick with frag and Krack

[hearty panther]

They work. The hardest part is remembering to use them since they are completely unlike any other grenade.

And smoke > volley fire is a very easy set up

Generally though I just lob one out when an inevitable wave of shotgunners shows. Guarantees they'll come up to melee instead of firing off their guns at odd tempos.

[sinful vine]

That would definitely help in some sticky situations

I'm gonna try them should be interesting to use

Thx for the answer

[hearty panther]

Take the 60s grenade recharge if you're learning

[junior needle]

Take it even if you're mlgpro

[hearty panther]

throw them out a bunch, get an idea of how the enemy reacts

[junior needle]

It's a great talent

[split sapphire]

Hmm

[hearty panther]

yea i just find three + map pickups is more than plenty

and id rather have the points elsewhere

[sinful vine]

Thanks for that

[sinful vine]

Always got it skilled it's a life saver with krack nades

[ebon cove]

Should I get this for my veteran?

[tall torrent]

No

[junior needle]

It's pretty good if you don't have any pswords already

But ideally you want cycler 4

and brutal/sunder

[lyric dock]

Only reason to really get it is to add Slaughter 4 to your blessing collection

[odd sparrow]

you could change cycler to 4 and melee crit to elites.

wont be quite perfect but very good

[wanton dawn]

Smoke renders shooter and special stupid

It is VERY noticiable

It is great for melee build cuz you dont lose talent point to get it (10% melee node is above)

Also you dont need demo team with it

[grizzled pebble]

10% melee damage is goated

[wanton dawn]

On my agile build, smoke is actually the glue that stick everything together

You can rush out of cover to reach ranged or force them to go into your sword range

Also prevent those situation where you are camped by gunner and sniper, then pushed out of pos by flamer/bomber

So yeah, i think it is great after using it

[tall torrent]

A fellow smoke believer

[wanton dawn]

I believe my scoreboard

[last parcel]

nothing quite like disappearing behind a smoke only to reappear with a heretic kebab on your bayonet

[gray finch]

bet for veteran nerf

[lilac kayak]

Smoke nade great for giving your team a scare for when there's a DH

Also good for obscuring everyone's vision

[odd sparrow]

they didnt mention balance changes but we'll see

[timid otter]

ive a feeling that any balance patch will barely anyways hit what is actually busted in the game

It will likely mostly just be the obvious targets such as colomnus, plasma, mby one of the psykers staffs (voidstrike or trauma)

Meanwhile stuff like the zealots throwing knives, movement speed will remain completely free from tampering.

[somber axle]

Make Zealots faster tbh

[umbral garnet]

I had the worst kind of zealot in a game recently.

Knife, shroudfield, run ahead, get in trouble, go stealth, all the crushers they aggro'd are now on the rest of you.

At least they were good. They were only downed once.

[somber axle]

Send the Crushers to me

My Recon HUNGERS

[umbral garnet]

Sorry, my Mk6 PS begs to differ.

[somber axle]

Though also yeah I had a weird Zealot a few days ago who popped in, ran directly into the Daemonhost, disconnected after aggro and forced the team into a fight with it. We killed it. He reconnected. We kicked him LOL

[umbral garnet]

It still truly amuses me to lob off a crusher's head with a sneeze.

[somber axle]

Yeah but allow me to explain

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/face-melt-dead-gif-14606757

[umbral garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/if-theres-a-hell-youre-in-it-carter-fin-little-yellowstone-go-to-hell-gif-23730159

[last parcel]

crushers after facing the holy light of the recon

[somber axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1229154086952112158/sneakyclownreconft.gif?ex=662ea5f2&is=661c30f2&hm=f085c8fb883f3ade7dffd3bb956f4df463f93522c777799442c823dd9b50cb49&

Even funnier with combat stim or celerity stim

Can get 3600 DPS with the Recon on Crushers to mow them down instantly like a CIAG

Celerity pushes to 2400 and the bright side to it is Stam efficiency since post Crusher kill I only used 2 Stam bars to kill a single Crusher

Deadshot for DAYS

[umbral garnet]

The problem with Recons to begin with is exactly in this sentence, which saddens me.

"Like a CIAG"

😭

[somber axle]

Yeah CIAG is top dog for automatics

Until Fatshark nerfs it everything will be compared to it

[umbral garnet]

That, or plasma.

[somber axle]

Recon has better ammo efficiency than a CIAG for killing Crushers. I use 10-13 ammo per Crusher with Focus Target and Exe Stance active. Less ammo needed with Combat stim or Celerity

CIAG will use 16-25ish ammo per Crusher depending on build

CIAG has a max clip size of 58 while Recon VId tops out at 108 per clip I believe

Shock Trooper letting you shoot for free with a weapon that has so much ammo is very funny

Not as ammo positive as a Helbore with Shock Trooper but still very funny

[umbral garnet]

CIAG stealth build. Pretty fun.

[somber axle]

Stealth build anything is really fun honestly

[umbral garnet]

Haven't played with Recon in a while, I should again.

[somber axle]

Stealth Shotgun