veteran-class

[wanton dawn]

No, scab

dreg are the skinny one

[tall torrent]

scab u should only need precision strikes

and headtaker stacks

like 2 I think

[wanton dawn]

Here we go

I don't have headtaker on this one

cant have everything i want

But as far as rashad goes it is HARD to ask for more from brunt

[tall torrent]

decimator is sad

[wanton dawn]

I don't care, it does not matters for bp

[verbal rivet]

you know melk kill contracts are team wide, right

[past sundial]

guys how do I post pics? dragging and dropping doesnt work and I dont have the + button in the message field

[last parcel]

you need to talk in the server until your name turns red

[past sundial]

ahhh

[wanton dawn]

Antispam from new account measure

[past sundial]

gotcha, thank you

[astral valve]

Custom HUD is pretty neat, I think having buffs closer to the center of the screen will make it easier to keep an eye on what's going on
Also you can toggle the HUD for better Mourningstar screenshots :o

[terse idol]

I gotta say

That's meaningless information 😌

But!

You do yooou

[astral valve]

Yeah but I want to be aware of those meaningless things!

[terse idol]

[last parcel]

makes for cool mission screenshots too

[astral valve]

Might have to figure out an AHK script to toggle the HUD while taking screenshots

No time to be faffing about during a mission

[last parcel]

I couldn't be assed so I have both of those on adjacent side mouse buttons

[last parcel]

In case you ever end up getting annoyed by how many buffs are getting stacked up in the middle, you can use this to split them between both areas https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/239

[astral valve]

I think the only other thing I might like is to make it grow from the center instead of left to right, due to the new positioning

Might try out Crosshair HUD

Nevermind, that's just too much going on

[low yacht]

Games crosshair isn't that bad tbh

[astral valve]

It's more about putting HUD info around the crosshair

[low yacht]

Then again I use a huge 4k screen

So also that

[astral valve]

It sometimes helps to have that info where you're already looking, towards the center of the screen, rather than checking the corners

A huge 4K screen sounds like an even better reason to want that

[low yacht]

My screen is just so big the text is easier to see

[vale ledge]

Which lasgun is objectively the best (NO LASPISTOLS FFS)

[astral valve]

Right, the problem isn't that the text is too small or low res to see

[low yacht]

But I don't need that information usually because it doesn't really effect my run

But well

[tiny summit]

Out of the iLasguns the Ia has most of the relevant BPs with the fire rate to make up for it in comparison to the XII. Helbores? Basically personal choice on your fire rate vs dmg but mk3 has a shitty bayonet.

Laspistols are good though

[astral valve]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/285 :o

[late hatch]

the best lasgun is the laspistol though

[vale ledge]

And I’m tired of using the laspistol

[late hatch]

Then ask fro the 2nd best lasgun!

[vale ledge]

No

[late hatch]

[vale ledge]

Least I can aim my gun properly instead of holding it to the side.

[late hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/commissar-shootas-blood-and-teef-guardsmen-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-gif-25038078

[vale ledge]

We need that as a weapon Unironically though

It’s just a duelists sword with a laspistol like in Vermintide with Saltzypyre and his fencing sword-

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-gif-18251526

[late hatch]

yeah I miss the sword and pistol sometimes

[past sundial]

sword and pistol is a great combo

power sword/Vraks mk 7 is even better

[elder python]

Hi guys what melees do you recommend to just deal with carapace? Chainsword?

[late hatch]

either mk6 ps or one of these https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1213452671013486592/image.png?ex=6623ab5d&is=6611365d&hm=7acf015a5842be7fa67dec3c274f35ba3b948215ea455dbc43dda75f1f913930&

[past sundial]

Power sword mk 3, with brutal momentum 4 and power cycler 4,

[late hatch]

the activated swing from a mk7 shovel is pretty insane

[past sundial]

+25 car and 10 melee damage pair great with those blessings

[elder python]

i got a couple of the mk7 crafted but never rolled, ill try those thank you!

[past sundial]

*weak spot

[late hatch]

thrust and uncanny are BIS, the perks are more up to you

[junior needle]

Weak spot damage

[late hatch]

cara does help deal with crushers and maulers. flak is generally most useful dam type, and maniac is pretty good for me

[late hatch]

weakspot and crit damage are not really that good as they only effect the diff between a normal hit and a weak, so its a small % of a smaller number than you think

often pretty negligible

[past sundial]

Idk, I stand by weak spot damage, I use it on bot my power sword nd vraks mk 7 with complimentary blessings and love it

[late hatch]

elites is often a decent perk to hit breakpoints

[late hatch]

it just objectively underperforms. if you can switch it out you should see a decent improvement

[dire olive]

Should try them with a good perk and see how fast the placebo wears off

[potent iris]

weakspot and crit damage both calculate out very unfavorably pretty much 100% of the time

compared to any other damage perk

[late hatch]

Although a lot depends on what diff you play on. people who play damnation and auric/maelstrom have more strict criteria for weapons due to higher enemy hp and quantity

[past sundial]

aight well what do y'all recomend? right now i run vraks mk 7 with no respite/open salvo 4, 10% reload and weak spot damage, and a power sword mk3 with brutal momentum/power cycler 4, +25 car and 10 weak spot, what should I switch to?

I pretty much run weak spot on almost everything I use -_-

[late hatch]

I play off meta a lot, relatively weak weapons because I like the model and stuff, but for perks its best to stick to the tried and true.
So vraks7 and ps, vraks is a dmr you want headhunter and deadly accurate

for the ps if you can just trade your weakspot to either flak or maniac

[dire olive]

for most things 25% Flak and 25% Maniac are the go to

with some exceptions

[late hatch]

flak is by far the most common armor type, and maniac covers the unarmoured angry boys and the green flamers and also trappers and chargers iirc

unyeilding lets you hit bosses hard, and some weapons use unarmoured for BPs

[dire olive]

With Vraks 7 I'd recommend Surgical over Headhunter tbh

[late hatch]

surg is good too

surgical is better for more deliberate shooters, i tend to snap ads and often dont make use of it

[dire olive]

tbf at max level you always get at least 1 stack

even if you spam

[past sundial]

interesting, thanks guys, I fucking love the vraks so i've built a ton of them, tried most blessing combinations, so far opening salvo and surgical has been my favorite, running weak spot damage I can 4-5 shot crushers with it, I guess i'll switch it out and try maniac

[late hatch]

do yourself a favour and just roll up one of these, besides the plasma gun this thing is king atm

[dire olive]

yeah if you wanna be basic

(I'm salty that I liked it before it was meta)

[past sundial]

I've got one, I just prefer the vraks, it's my go to fo HISTG damnation

[late hatch]

And im a big fan of ghost, use it on a bunch of guns

[past sundial]

yeah ive got one with open salvo 4 and ghost that slaps for the stg's

[late hatch]

there are a couple guns that can use salvo effectively, due to falloff time between shots for what makes a salvo. generally they are seen as dud blessings

This is my fave gun for vet

[dire olive]

Salvo resets almost immediately on the V7

so it's alright

[past sundial]

I save so much ammo using it lol

[late hatch]

It has incredible move speed, super fast weapon swap, accurate with hipfire, and great ammo efficiency if you can click heads

I have a lot of weapons rolled up, and use them all from time to time. But the mk10 laspistol is a godly feeling gun for me

[past sundial]

I do enjoy the lspistol, Just need to dedicate the time/resources to rolling one lol

[late hatch]

You can switch from sniping elites with ads to hipfiring into ragers up close then whip out your melee so fast. Super clean gun to use

[junior needle]

Weak spot and crit damage only apply to the difference a normal hit and a weak spot hit/crit. So if you hit for 100, and headshot/crit for 110, you'd only get 1 damage from 10% crit/weakspot.

They're essentially never worth taking

And vary in usefulness depending on the gun

[late hatch]

There are some guns with pretty big jumps

[junior needle]

You need a lot of weakspot/crit damage to make a decent difference, and they're always weaker than they seem

This is true, it's best on high finesse weapons

But even on something that does double damage on a weakspot

That 10% weak spot damage is effectively 5%

Due to not applying to the whole hit

[dire olive]

5.8% on that laspisol

[late hatch]

laspistil is 2.4x on weakspot

[dire olive]

which is like as high as you'll go

5.8 AT BEST

[junior needle]

Knife has like a 2.7x multi to weakspots, but it's also an extreme version of a finesse weapon because it's regular hits are so dinky

[past sundial]

gotcha, cool that's exactly why im here lol, Im good but definitely don't get the damage breakdowns, thanks for the explanation

[junior needle]

It's a very unintuitive and silly way of handling these stats

Frankly they should scrap the idea and implement them in a way that makes sense

[late hatch]

any gun weapon, click on it so its highlighted, then press V, then press E

[junior needle]

The breakdowns assume your best damage range if a weapon has falloff. It doesn't take into account perks, blessings, rending, or talents.

[dire olive]

When in doubt, go to psykanium

[tall torrent]

It’s also unfortunately bad on like every single weapon in the game

[junior needle]

Welcome to fatshark games

The burden of knowledge is immense

Subjective experience is not to be trusted without question]

[late hatch]

[low apex]

infernus 😔

I wish it was good for anything outside of Monster damage. Fire is insanely weak against carapace and for everything else it changes basically nothing.

[late hatch]

Actually stacks up quite a bit of damage on bosses and ogryns

and with my BPs it often ticks out enemies that just survive

[low apex]

Fire is goated on the Ogryn ult since it's just free shield pierce, shame the fire can't have a trigger other than crit to make it an anti bulwark option with Infernus.

[hollow ibex]

Infernus is terrible. I’m always impressed by how little of my damage comes from infernus

[low apex]

^ yeah pretty much. Dumdum is nutty and the second blessing is your choice anyway. If the laspistol had relevant damage blessings besides infernus and raking to choose from you'd never see it used imo

[late hatch]

ogryn ripper with flechette and then use glugger ult is pretty pog

[hollow ibex]

Run n gun on laspistol when

[low apex]

I like ghost/between the eyes and dum dum or Raking + dum dum a lot

god please give las run n gun

the x has such good hipfire please fatshark

[low apex]

Do you think it'd be OP if they made it work how people assume it works

[dire olive]

it has a janky weird version of it built in

it's like one shot per recoil reset

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon I’d say

[tame lodge]

"Recon actually broken" if it worked like that

[flat vessel]

what armor is this or is this just a grizzled a veteran

[dire olive]

I mean even if it did I don't think 10% is enough to salivate over

[tall torrent]

Nah lol

[tame lodge]

[dire olive]

No no

I can see the YouTube thumbnail now

the big red arrow

[low apex]

Why SMITE PSYKER RECON LASGUN IS LITERALLY!!!! OP

[dire olive]

the circle around a png of the green recon

[tall torrent]

If weakspot dmg applied to whole dmg from hitting weakspot, it’ll still benefit the high finesse guns more

Basically guns that have actually high dmg from weakspot hits

[low apex]

I dont know why smykers irritate me so much more than other bad players

[tall torrent]

Recon is not one of them

[low apex]

It's that they think they're being useful by stunning a bunch of poxwalkers I think

[dire olive]

depends, if it's empowered it will actually kill them

[late hatch]

UNLIMITED POWAH

[low apex]

Shrieking + creep > Empowered, both is overkill

[tall torrent]

Psykers that exclusively use smite should just pick up a purgatus

[junior needle]

Ogryn can hit max fire stacks (31) last I checked

[midnight totem]

Ugh

[dire olive]

There are much worse things a teammate could do

[midnight totem]

I knew I should not have done that high int high shocktrooper game

[tall torrent]

Isn’t max fire stacks 16 normally

[junior needle]

Depends

[low apex]

Ogryn hits an insane amount of fire stacks with an achlys

[junior needle]

Infernus is capped hard at 12 or 10

[tall torrent]

Yea infernus is quite shit

Flamer is 16 (>75% burn)

[junior needle]

Flamers at 15 unless you crit

In which case you can get to 16 in that instance

[low apex]

achlys feels so decent after they buffed its handling to be near instant

[midnight totem]

I should stop going for that penance

[junior needle]

That could use a double check though

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure what mk9 shotgun’s fire shells go to

[junior needle]

It might just be the flame staff

[tall torrent]

Just speedrun 15 malice lol

[midnight totem]

meh, no more quickplays

[dire olive]

I'm pretty sure it was always like that, is the buffed the accuracy that slaps

[tall torrent]

No they buffed time-to-brace and reload speed quite a lot

[junior needle]

It had the fastest pullout but they made it even faster iirc

[midnight totem]

if I select a mission manually it shouldn't drop me into an active game right?

[dire olive]

the more the merrier then

[tall torrent]

If there’s no active lobby for it, yea

[dire olive]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-dr-robotnik-dr-eggman-you-know-what-they-say-the-more-the-merrier-gif-27384951

[low apex]

Is this sonic heroes??

it looks familiar brain blanking though

[junior needle]

flamer is 15 like the flame staff

[tall torrent]

Ah ok

Thx

[junior needle]

You have to crit on stack 15 to get 16

[low apex]

Damn that's a decent flamer base

crit + base stats I mean

[rigid pilot]

3-4 depends on distance

[rigid pilot]

Get to 17*

Wait or was it 16, am I stupid

[low apex]

you know i've legit never used the shotguns, do you have to manually load in the slug or incendiary each time you shoot it?

[austere mica]

Yes

[rigid pilot]

Yea but you use it as a normal shotty most of the time

[low apex]

jesus that's ass

[rigid pilot]

It's good

[low apex]

fair enough

does it have a good maniac modifier? I feel like shotguns make sense to have a high one

[rigid pilot]

They buffed the ammo in the recent patch by around 50%

[austere mica]

You also don't need to slam six slugs that often, and the ROF is bearable if used for clear with wide and flame shells

[rigid pilot]

I think fire shotty is dead since the nerf

It used to have infinite cleave

[low apex]

I guess I just never really got the point of horde slanted guns unless they're also really good at killing rager packs as well like the purg and flamer

[rigid pilot]

Like you could set a sniper on fire through a wall of bulwark shields, and also burn all the bulwarks

[low apex]

RIP infinite cleave 😔

[austere mica]

It still has actually stupid cleave I think

Just not six bulwarks cleave

[junior needle]

15 is the max normally and 16 is the max if you crit, as you can see from the picture

[rigid pilot]

I remember seeing 17 alot I wonder from wheremst

[junior needle]

Fire shotty still has seemingly infinite cleave, it just can't ignore hit mass

So it stops on carapace and bulwark shields

[low apex]

yeah come on man, only the plasma gun is allowed to have insane innate cleave, ammo economy, bulwark shield piercing, crusher knock down and monster staggering

[junior needle]

I'd have to line up a bunch of dreg ragers and see if it ever actually stops

[rigid pilot]

Might want to try flak ragers too

They are surprisingly pierce resistant

[tall torrent]

Are u sure it only stacks to that low?

[low apex]

could always download the debuff mod and check

[thin flame]

veterans, melk has stuff im interested in and i need secondary opinions

any of this worth snagging?

[low apex]

If you dont have surgical you can buy the bolt and eat it

same with BM for power sword but you're much better off using a knife or hatchet if you dont have power cycler, and it's still only comparable imo with it

[rigid pilot]

I have the mod, 3-4 per flame slug

I mostly use it at long range though, maybe closer it can reach more 🤔

It's been a hot minute since I ran kantrael shotty

[tall torrent]

How high can it go

Like, if u stack fire shots multiple times

[rigid pilot]

15

Iirc, mainly from bosses

[gilded wraith]

Recommendations? Deadly and Headhunter?

[supple stag]

Power Sword without power cycler is kinda sad

[rigid pilot]

Carapace is kinda a dead perk

I rather have flak and maybe do infernus HH

[gilded wraith]

I'm a fan of deadshot/onslaught. Not sure if the 1a hits fast enough to make onslaught practical though.

[rigid pilot]

Or just go full meme unyielding infernus HH

Onslaught?

[austere mica]

Pull up to mission

[rigid pilot]

Oh the vet talent

[austere mica]

23 Scab Ragers

Die

[rigid pilot]

Nades

[austere mica]

I had a powersword and boltgun and still got shredded

[quartz rose]

Very good guide thank you for your hard work!

[rigid pilot]

I won't say it's practical but it gets the job done eventually

If you see 5 crushers rolling up and you have an iLas, it doesn't really matter if you have onslaught or not, you are going to either fall back or switch to melee/nades

[gilded wraith]

True enough.

[junior needle]

Infernus is not a practical pickup on infantry lasguns

Onslaught isn’t either

Take a melee that deals with carapace well or you’ll be shooting each crusher for a long time

[gilded wraith]

Yep, slower firing than I anticipated. Will have to swap the build up if I want to use it.

[junior needle]

Deadly/HH is the typical setup

[gilded wraith]

Running a decent Rashad with weapon specialization. Columnus with deadshot and onslaught.

[junior needle]

Ghost is actually fine for deadshot dnd shenanigans

[gilded wraith]

Yeah, just need to roll a decent columnus with it. have it on a laspistol and it's fun.

[junior needle]

The 1a is fine but it’ll feel like a downgrade from the ciag because it’s nuts

[gilded wraith]

True.

[rigid pilot]

Definitely but I don't think it's about whether it's better but whether it's good to use

[junior needle]

Beeg number make thing feel better to use

Grug very smart

But yeah the performance of most things is going to feel unimpressive when going from a ciag

[gilded wraith]

I will compromise, and go to aiag.

[tall torrent]

It’ll be updated soon too

[tall torrent]

Honestly feels like hit & run is more reliable for deadshot + duck & dive but ghost is fine too

Maybe my aim is just shit with laspistol

[rigid pilot]

I'm a little deadshot hater so I don't have to worry about those talents at all

[rigid pilot]

Lol getting that score with just knife and ilas

That psyker's purgatus is crazy

Carapace stam with run and gun

3 knife vets too

[wind aurora]

[manic cloak]

Ghost and No Respite on a Ia lasgun? I don't get it. Am I missing something?

[low apex]

yo honest question, why the hell did they guy take a purge if he was going to literally use his ranged weapon the least on lessers or melee elites on the whole team 😭

that's a crazy match though

[rigid pilot]

People who name themselves after bots usually play like them 🤷‍♂️

[molten hound]

https://i.imgur.com/jbIlOch.png

what do you guys run for revolver? i use this with deadshot and it still takes me like 3 shots to kill crushers/maulers on average

i think crucian probably sucks ass and im probably better off with hand cannon

[low apex]

Hand Cannon would be much better yeah

Crucian isn't great but you're better off with Crucian + Handcannon over Crucian + Surgical imo

[molten hound]

i feel like something is bugged lol

i only crit like 2/5 shots

not normally like this

[final stag]

If you're using zarona use Surgical/Hand cannon.

If agripinaa
Crucian/handcannon.

[junior needle]

Ghost has the advantage of working at any range if you cleek head

[pallid jetty]

true men handle crusher patrols in melee... with catachan swords

[sage root]

No they are not "true men" you are talking about Zealots. I'll have my Agripinaa MkI autogun or Headhunter MKIII fot that

[vivid silo]

If it doesn't go VRRR, it's a toy for a baby!

[pallid jetty]

ok, i need to make a vet build with the sword

[tame lodge]

Yeah there's true women as well

[agile forge]

What difference would a Helbore mark 1 make over a mark 2?

I love my 2

[hearty panther]

Slower and harder hitting.

The biggest difference would be Carapace damage output.

[agile forge]

I bonk Crushers with my shovel :D

So might as well keep the 2

[tiny summit]

The balance of the rate of fire vs dmg, mk1 vs mk2 are very comparable vs carapace

[slate hawk]

@silent nest bonking time ^

[verbal rivet]

mk2 best because it has a pike bayonet

[chrome steppe]

Anyone else using serrated blade talent so you can run uncanny/mercy killer on your knife?

[digital cairn]

1 stack of bleed is near useless, it's a really weak talent

[dreamy spade]

1 shotting muties is so fun

[digital cairn]

And there's competitive combat knife blessings that don't need you to take a dead perk

[tame lodge]

Mk1 and 2 can bayonet charge, because they both stab

Now the question is
Do you keep the speed buff at 0 stamina?

[tame lodge]

In theory you could pair with an uncanny mercy killer knife

[verbal rivet]

yes, bayonet charge is still faster at 0% stam than regular sprint

love that it can be held forever

[tame lodge]

Thx
My intuition was right once again

[vague smelt]

buy or scrap

[austere pine]

get it and see if you can get it to not be a brick after hadron-7-7 gets her hands on it

[vague smelt]

I'll store it until they rework their horrible system

[tiny summit]

Definitely buy and wait for the crafting system.

The charge dump stat kinda sucks but eh a blessing can make it more tolerable

[austere pine]

almost lost a 20 hr honour mode run to the death sheperd fight

praise the sanctuary spell and how rogue+gloom stalker works because my lord do i not want to do act 1 again

[gray finch]

i made this

[austere pine]

people say lawbringer is an ooof

my opinion is shotguns in general are an oof

i'm sitting this rating out

[slow spade]

Shotguns are usable now but never tried the bleed build

With all the rending Vet has and the weak spot bonuses, its probably ok?

I mean people use Recon so its definitely fine but still

[pallid jetty]

bleed on shotguns is useless imo

better to just start shooting a horde with common shells

[slow spade]

Iirc that's 170 damage per stack

Its probably ok but I wouldn't bring it into Aurics

[midnight totem]

I found a perfect 80 21 health relic

Any bets on how hadron bricks it?

[slow spade]

Xp, dockets, mission reward

Just for you 😎

[dreamy spade]

Well dockets are good

More rolls

https://tenor.com/view/ohne-pixel-little-caesars-domino's-pizza-dominos-csgo-case-opening-gif-5942288723935885459

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[woven vigil]

Vetbros, what's the current status of Kantrael Lasguns and Headhunter/Infantry autoguns?

Back then before the skill trees I used a Kantrael XII, Agrippina MK1 autogun and Vraks MK3 HH on my Sharpshooter a lot.
But now I am getting told by couple of folks that Kantrael MG4, Columnus IAG and Vraks MK7 are currently outclassing those with the new skills?

[slow spade]

MK12 got no changes so it got powercreeped

Its fine but MG La is basically better now

[astral valve]

Graiaaa

[slow spade]

Autoguns got notable buffs

Columnus is now a meta pick gun

[woven vigil]

I see, I see.

I am currently sitting on this Vraks 3 that I been using since 2021. Guess still a decent gun?

[slow spade]

The only change it needs is changing No Respite to Headhunter imo

Headhunter gives 20% crit per weakspot hit and stacks up to 5 times

[woven vigil]

I think I have that one, I'll try it out

[slow spade]

Crits are funny with headhunter

[woven vigil]

before I go to Hadron's casino again, what do you guys recommend putting on Lasgun MG La and the Columnus IAG?

this was my current lasgun, so something similar stats/perks/blessings wise?

have no idea about IAGs tho, the blessing pool there kinda sucks lol

[midnight totem]

ugh

Hadron never blesses full stats on a relic

never seen it

[odd sparrow]

columnus mk V autogun is insane, particularly with deadshot

[terse idol]

All you.need is headhunter and deadly accurate

[slow spade]

Here's a near perfect Columnus

[odd sparrow]

wow that is a godroll

[tiny summit]

iLas usually wants headhunter and deadly accurate. Ghost is a nice replacement for DA though. Ranged immunity is pretty nice. But don't have DA w/o HH

[woven vigil]

lots of good info to work with. Thanks guys!

Hadron you old ass hag

any way to salvage this? Or should I just roll with the weakpoint perk?

[slow spade]

Scrap Code is a necessary invention

Hadron proves it

[slow spade]

No :c

I'd just salvage it sadly

[woven vigil]

I finally got a decent roll off Brunts after like 4 buy spam sprees and Hadron fucks it

[abstract moth]

Guys

I was wondering does assault team works only in synchrony or works on you alone too?

[pallid jetty]

i wonder how people memorize all these skill names

[abstract moth]

I don't know them all only few and I'm translating from my language, in anycase is the middle aura perk

[odd sparrow]

It works on yourself too

[pallid jetty]

isnt "+5% team damage" easier to say?

[abstract moth]

So if I'm alone I still do 5 percent more damage? Are you certain?

[odd sparrow]

Ye

[abstract moth]

Alright thanks

[odd sparrow]

Just like all other auras also affect yourself

[midnight totem]

alright

something is wierd

I just ran a mission, with a bolter and dclaw

I have a build with a bolter and declaw

it runs frag grenades and executioner

this build had infiltrate and krak grenades

I don't have a build with this

[gray finch]

does this 1 shot scab gunner with 20 flak ? unless you already sold it

[tame apex]

Hey got a question, does the cheese for on the "on overwatch" penance still work ?

[low apex]

Was there a youtube video called EPIC CADIAN CHAINSWORD COMMANDO BUILD without survivalist or something recently? I stg I'm seeing the Movespeed or Damage aura 75% of the time lately

[woven vigil]

aah i already scrapped it. sorry

[hollow ibex]

If you want to drag down your team yah don’t take survivalist

[agile forge]

I mean sometimes the travel to survivalist is too far if you're trying to do some funky shit

imo always aim to take survivalist, but don't let it limit you

My hellbore build is stuck with the movespeed aura

[hollow ibex]

If you’re going infil I can understand not taking survivalist

Otherwise, there needs to be a really good reason to not take it

I like move speed

But survivalist is such an incredibly powerful aura

And shit game design

[odd sparrow]

move speed aura is super nice with the +5% ms node

[hollow ibex]

Yeah I like it

[odd sparrow]

if only survivalist wasnt near mandatory

[low apex]

literally yeah

I argued before it should be deleted as an aura and just made as part of the vet's passive so he doesnt single handedly warp the entire ammo economy

[odd sparrow]

or just increase ammo in general missions and delete survivalist

[analog mural]

And to think vet used to be even more broken

Twice the ammo Regen we have now plus grenade Regen for the whole team

[odd sparrow]

and 75% toughness damage reduction when executioner stance was up

god that was so bs

[void rampart]

salvageable?

[sinful jacinth]

🧱

[midnight totem]

It's more then useable

[supple stag]

It's alright

Use it till you get power cycler iv

[void rampart]

the fabled power cycler IV

550 hours, Vet as my 2nd most played, still yet to ever see it

[supple stag]

Try to buy green power swords, III or VI and upgrade them to blue

[void rampart]

I know that

[supple stag]

That's how I got BM IV and PC IV

Took me sometime, don't give up

[grand perch]

i did that until i realized the orange upgrade has way higher chance for tier IV blessings

got it in 2 tries then

[void rampart]

I did just get BM IV in a roll like 5 minutes ago

feelin good

[paper grove]

Plasma pretty fun ngl

[supple stag]

[wise fossil]

BM IV is still my white whale

[terse idol]

Just swap pc3 to pc4, and then swap infested cause stinky

Done

That's about as much as you can salvage

[lyric dock]

Swap PC 3 to PC4
Swap Infested to Maniac or Carapace

If you lack PC4 well....Fuck

[hollow ibex]

Still usable without PC4

Just a bit annoying

[lyric dock]

Very annoying and can cause you be in some trouble

[dreamy spade]

I dont use this on vet but damn...

[ripe totem]

I feel like they nerfed parry

did they? I'm not sure

[hollow ibex]

There hasn’t been a balance patch in a while

[lyric dock]

No balance patches for a good minute

I expect we'll get some weapon tweaks come this next one

[tall torrent]

Almost definitely

[balmy flume]

Nice little fluff piece

[austere pine]

BRUNT?!???

[lyric dock]

Brunt being Brunt

[arctic rampart]

BM3 is ok. Power cycler needs to become PC4. 4% crit is pretty bad but not as bad as 20% infested

[tall torrent]

Mk13g chainsword

[austere pine]

i love the 13g

[lyric dock]

BM3 isn't the worst and is perfectly serviceable. Being a blessing that is great to see from Hadron for free, but I don't really care if I get T4 version of it

[midnight totem]

lmao

just got hit by the most bs crusher overhead

targeting an ally

the crusher was literally at a 90 degree angle to me

downed

[arctic rampart]

the emperor wills it

[hollow ibex]

bm3 doesn't even matter, since 95% of the value of BM comes from the cleave anyway

[faint beacon]

Unironically had people get tilted over my smoke build, this is a first

[inland orchid]

i got a broski who uses smokes, mf is the life saver of the squad when we got heavy amounts of gunners/troopers to deal with

so fuck whoever pissed their pants in rage just cuz u prefer something more supportive compared to the 2 other options lol

[junior needle]

My experience with smokes is that they've actually just made it harder for me to deal with ranged enemies

So I can get why someone would be annoyed that they now cannot see shit

But going reeeeeeeeeeee in chat is another story, and this was also before they were buffed

[rigid pilot]

Smokes are fun, lets you dive even deeper and be very safe

But there's alot of bias because when people lose usually the vet has no frags

[tiny summit]

I think people are dumb complaining about smokes

[umbral scaffold]

Smoke is the patrician taste

On this hill I die, mostly because my soul is already gone and I need to find a way to get rid of the body too

[tame lodge]

They don't know how strong smoke is

And there's prejudice against it

Lots of slander

[rigid pilot]

its easier to mess up smoke

also players allergic to tagging "cant see anything through it"

[junior needle]

Having to frantically spam ping into a wide area of smoke slows down the process a bit

[modern crescent]

emperor gave me something and it wasn't a pair of glasses

[hoary horizon]

If you do mission with ulgo Ulgo not care. Will shoot throught it. Is very easy to do

[faint beacon]

Heavily appreciate it Ulgo, I do tend to make sure my team tries to stick in them to avoid anything with a gun or disablers that cant do much within smoke

However yeah they got super tilted in chat about not being able to see specials and said I was purposely throwing when I actively marked enemies when I tossed down smokes. Idk man I don't really care if they get that mad over the grenade but I just found it hilarious they thought I was purposely trying to throw the match.

[hoary horizon]

Dumb ones they are. Look sniper trying kill us! Why you block line of sight! Stupid. Sniveleres

If cant see. MARK OR SHOOT TBROUGHT

Even ogryn smart enuff to understand use

Sorry. Bad teammates make Ulgo mad

Bad teamates can be bestest killer but if mean then worst teammate

[storm beacon]

So, I was the zealot in that game, and Darktide as you know is a hectic game where every second counts, especially on higher difficulties, where eliminating specials and the like as fast as possible is important. Smokes are useful, and while you can ping enemies through smoke, and shoot through smoke, the problem is that it takes more time or ammo than it would otherwise, meaning that an incoming special can actually have a cover advantage because of it. You spammed smokes everywhere even when there weren't any gunners or ranged enemies, and I had multiple occasions where I heard a special behind me or near me but then when I turned around I couldn't see them because of the smoke, and despite your claim, they wouldn't be pinged, and because each second matters, I'd be spamming my ping to see where these specials were, only to have a net, dog, or a mutant suddenly come out of another area of the smoke and hit me. It was slightly annoying, but I didn't care that much nor did I complain. My friend got frustrated at this as well because whenever she was going to kill a special, suddenly smoke, which made her have to take more time eliminating a threat that would other wise have died quicker and not have been a threat. When she brought up that your smokes were hindering us a lot of the times, your response was "lol cope harder metaslave" at which point I called you a troll because your response after the fact made it seem like you were intentionally spamming smokes just to mess with us. But go off misrepresenting the other side of the story as unreasonable angry people I guess

[tiny summit]

you were doing it anyways

[wanton dawn]

I get the point but smoke messing with special tracking makes the point about seconds mattering a bit of a stretch

[tiny summit]

I will admit though, smoke is the only grenade that can hinder a team when used poorly. But now they actually work and its basically 15-30s of free cover

[storm beacon]

A lot of the specials didnt seem to have much difficulty tracking when I see people use smokes, but I do think they're useful to mess with shotgunners and gunners and stuff like that

[tiny summit]

Last person I had complain about smoke was literally a shield ogryn complaining that I threw the grenade to cover the downed teammate as I was picking them up. Like...lmao

[storm beacon]

But he was also throwing the smokes directly on top of us while we were just fighting poxwalkers

[tiny summit]

throw a smoke down on the team during a hound wave and dogs literally dont pounce

they run into smoke and then just run around confused

[storm beacon]

I had this happen today with a different person running smokes and the dogs were still pouncing on people just fine, so I'm not sure if something is bugged or not on that front

[junior needle]

I was not, I just aim and shoot

[tiny summit]

knowing fatshark probably bugged or you were outside the smoke cloud. I now throw smokes on top of the team during hound waves and the dogs literally do nothing but run around

[wanton dawn]

Smoke forcing ppl to tag is an argument to take it in my book

[tiny summit]

over tagging and no tagging, no in between

[junior needle]

Why would I tag an enemy I am killing immediately with my revolver?

[tiny summit]

To tell the team to thank you

[junior needle]

The kill feed does a good enough job of that

[storm beacon]

I mean if your ping is on your mouse, you might as well

[wanton dawn]

Cuz you have a cleave gun and ping helps find head in mixed horde

[junior needle]

I can already see the heads

With my eyes

[storm beacon]

It's also useful if you happen to miss and the special runs off

[wanton dawn]

Not in smoke you dont

[junior needle]

Well yeah, but the point is that smoke is making it harder to hit things

So you HAVE to ping a bunch

All over

Instead of just killing things

[wanton dawn]

Exactly, so i dont have to explain at all ! A win in my book

[junior needle]

It just makes it take longer for me to eliminate the threats

[wanton dawn]

Oh well, my smokes maelstrom have been my fastest game in a while, so i'd continue testing my setup

[tiny summit]

bringing my smokes to the vent purge

[wanton dawn]

I would not cuz not. Not bc i dont think it would work but cuz i dont think smoke are great on exe build 🤷

And i like exe on fog map !

[tiny summit]

plasma exe on vent purge. Aggroed the DH one time shooting through walls

hopefully this next patch is fun. Looking forward to playing again

[wanton dawn]

I take bolter exe on fog usually

Lack of melee enemies means little pressure to reload and swap weapon

[dusty nacelle]

cuz why not

:)

[tame lodge]

I've done that a lot

And I mean a lot

[junior needle]

Why shouldn't I do a 360 before every kill

[dusty nacelle]

Exactly. u SHOULD be doing a 360 before every kill

[storm beacon]

if you're not fully charging a helbore and 360 drop shotting every enemy in the game are you really even playing the game?

[tame lodge]

In fact, all the smoke from that modifier, it was me and my nades

[somber axle]

sounds like smokes are bugged and inconsistent tbh

I've seen times when the dogs think the entire team is invisible and run around in circles

and I've seen dogs pounce people through smoke

smoke is good for snipers, reapers, gunners, rooms full of shooters, etc. but for melee it's very hit or miss with a big emphasis on miss

good smokes are beautiful

bad smokes make you wish the Vet would just die and make the game go back to normal

[storm beacon]

I've honestly never really seen people use smokes until today when we had 5 veterans in a row using them, and they didn't seem to stop specials from homing in on anyone

So I'm thinking they're bugged

[tame lodge]

Shotgunners, trappers and mutants will have to get very close and they will

[somber axle]

if the answer to a vet dropping all his smokes in a room is spam ping then it sounds like the vet is being a hindrance, not a help tbh

but people are learning smokes after nothing but krak and shredder since forever

learning curve

people will get better but trolls will still troll

though it'll never stop being funny if a vet drops smokes all over his feet then doesn't see the flak rager squad coming to rip him to paper

Nurgle gives his funniest battles to his best clowns

also learning curve goes both ways

both for vets learning when and how to best use them, and for teams learning how to play around them

[tame lodge]

Remember, you're not invisible in the smoke

[somber axle]

definitely not

also I vaguely remember some youtube vid showcasing that smoke does not protect you from daemonhost consistently

dropping a smoke too close to a DH without triggering it and trying to run through the smoke within aggro radius of the DH will still get it mad and attack

but idk anyone who wants to be silly enough to throw a smoke grenade at a DH

[gilded wraith]

What blessings do I want on a combat blade?

[idle bluff]

Hey, What's the best devils claw sword?

[somber axle]

from another cat's very helpful guide

the guide is pinned as a pdf file if you want to check it out for other weapons too

[gilded wraith]

Awesome, thank you!

[somber axle]

I haven't used Devil's Claw in what feels like forever but this is the part about those swords

I always used the IV personally but never really experimented with the other two

[idle bluff]

Thank you, I need a hord clear melee for my plasma build

[tame lodge]

I would not recommend, since the grenade will most likely wake the dh, due to a little stagger when popping

[somber axle]

if it helps I always used to just W+M1 my way through hordes using my Devil's Claw IV with Rampage/Sweeping Strikes and with my parry special attack if you aim at the head you can one-tap ragers too

very useful for the moments when a rager sneaks through a horde into your face

and horde strikes will trigger the parry strike right at the rager too iirc

[somber axle]

yeah agreed but just in case anyone new to smokes is thinking "maybe I go stealth past daemonhost with smoke..."

do not

Also I remember being able to literally spam nothing but light attacks through a horde with zero effort but the guide says light 1 and heavy 2 is best for horde clear

so idk

[idle bluff]

Just found a decent stat iv sword at brunts, I upgraded it and got this:

[somber axle]

trust in the other cat's guide they did a lot more work and research

[somber axle]

Ooo that's REALLY good

flak and savage sweep are good pick ups

[idle bluff]

Fr

Imma change infested for something

[somber axle]

regardless of what you get as a second blessing you can easily make sure you have rampage too

then swap infested to maniac or elite

[idle bluff]

I might have to farm for rampage lol

[somber axle]

rampage is very worth

I remember someone saying it does more than what the default tooltip suggests

[idle bluff]

I Def want rampagr

[tame lodge]

People will do anything but take the longer route to avoid the dh

Hilarious

[somber axle]

but I also don't remember what it does, just that it's better than whatever it says in the non-modded game

[idle bluff]

I got a tigris x with savage/rampage

[somber axle]

I kinda love when people trigger the Daemonhost tbh because I had a high intensity shock trooper gauntlet where someone in krieg cosmetics blundered right into it trying to grab an ammo tin to feed their plasma gun and woke it up

then the whole party united in a frenzy and beat the shit out of the daemonhost

amidst a horde

and constant special spawns

with gunners running us down

and it's such a beautiful feeling when the squad coordinates so perfectly

murder squad blenders of death

we saved the krieger too

no one left behind

[idle bluff]

Is the accatran still good?

[somber axle]

yes but no but actually it can be ok and let me explain

Mark II is worthless always put it directly into the trash

Mark VIIa can be ok

Mark VId is where the magic can happen with a good weapon roll

[somber axle]

it requires a very specific talent build, the right blessings and a solid stat roll but the Recon VId can do very funny things like delete a crusher faster than anyone expects while still clearing a room and getting constant crits for free shots (it'll still drink down ammo and leave you dry if you spam it too much)

unexpectedly strong but requires you to move the moon and the stars to make it work

Headhunter IV, Infernus VI, Deadshot, three curios all with +3 stam, Onslaught, +10% rending down middle tree. I also use Executioner's Stance. This leaves me without a keystone. I am less than a glass cannon. My bones are made of glass and my skin is made of paper. I will die if anything looks at me and I fail to dodge. But if you get really good at being hyper aware and consistently dodging to the point you can survive fine without toughness or health curios it becomes a very, very funny build

and nurgle gives his funniest battles to his best clowns

you'll still not kill things as fast as plasma or revolver

Columnus Infantry Autogun can do this better

but Recon VId gets shock trooper for free shots and that means ammo isn't spent during volleys

so sometimes you just feel like you're shooting forever without needing to reload and spend far less ammo than you think with lucky back to back crit strings

[split sapphire]

So what would a godroll Vraks Mk. VII Headhunter autogun look like?

[somber axle]

do not do Accatran unless you are a masochist tbh

[junior needle]

deadshot is a big meme on the recons as well

[split sapphire]

I prefer a Columbus Mk.V autogun for dps, but
But that's just me

[somber axle]

I think damage is also meant to be in high priority but I may have an older version

I'm still using the older pdf with the white background and I know other cat updated this

[split sapphire]

Surgical and deadly accurate eh?

[somber axle]

the new version looks very different with updated values and stuff

Yeah!

[junior needle]

Short answer is not really, they're at or near the bottom in terms of ranged weapon powerlevels. They're very numerically undertuned and using them currently is like pulling blood from a stone with the talent tree.

[split sapphire]

Hmm

I thought headhunter was better, but i don't have surgical for it rn

[somber axle]

very correct and only masochists and clowns play it to any degree of success in damnation, auric damnation, etc. but it CAN be played to very funny success

and it is beautiful when it succeeds

my fav weapon of all time on Vet tbh

by far

[split sapphire]

So i suppose headhunter will be a sub for now until i run into surgical IV, i do have deadly accurate 4 tho

[junior needle]

I think the aesthetics of the weapon has altered your perception of objective performance

[split sapphire]

Eh?

[junior needle]

Headhunter is better for the vraks 3, surgical is better for the vraks 7

[somber axle]

nah I've solo clutched with it enough times to know it is fine even without a team making me think I'm just being a clown while they do all the work

[split sapphire]

Ah

[junior needle]

That doesn't really have anything to do with the weapon

[somber axle]

I may not use mods but I can run crazy difficulty with it and it performs

[somber axle]

though also you're not wrong and I'm addicted to hyperfast laser vomit across my screen

[junior needle]

You're running a very, very juiced setup to try and salvage its poor baseline

[somber axle]

and I did give the disclaimer that CIAG, plasma, revolver, etc. will all outperform it consistently

yes and it makes that weapon feel godly

[junior needle]

I will reiterate this

[somber axle]

it is preference and tbh I don't think the vast majority of players would ever enjoy the goofy things I do

it's not worth it trying to squeeze blood out of this stone unless you're willing to chew through the rock to get it

[junior needle]

And then still do noticeably worse than if you ran a better gun with hyper juice

[somber axle]

CIAG would absolutely do better yes but then I'd have to reload sooner

[severe gale]

u really like stones n rocks

[somber axle]

you're not wrong but I have the most fun with Recon VId and have to talk about my love for it even if I must also give caution about how it's not going to be as good

[severe gale]

in before drg reference

[somber axle]

thanks I'm a clown so it's natural

[severe gale]

wha

where is the corallation between clowns and rocks

[somber axle]

juggling

[severe gale]

juggling

deez

nuts

[somber axle]

wow I walked into that

[severe gale]

smartphOWNED.com

worldstar

[severe gale]

just like

i walked into

ur

moms

vagina

oh

zinger!

[somber axle]

you WALKED

ok

[severe gale]

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[somber axle]

thank you I'm stealing those

[severe gale]

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[idle bluff]

Plasma guns still good at least, right?

[somber axle]

yes

[idle bluff]

Good

[somber axle]

best weapon in the entire game across all classes probably

[junior needle]

Plasma gun has yet to be nerfed

[idle bluff]

Got a volatile shattering impact roll

With flak and carapace damage

[sharp epoch]

I think that ogryn shotgun tops plasma tbh

[idle bluff]

368 stats

[somber axle]

Psykers will be jealous about your kill power, Zealots will wish you didn't exist because you'll kill things before they can touch them often, Ogryns are just always living their best life no matter what tbh

[somber axle]

does it? I've never really noticed an Ogryn doing crazy things like killing things hyperfast, they always feel like they just never die and are never in any danger tbh

they are the danger but it's not like

[sharp epoch]

Yes it's hordeclear and also deals with specials easily

[somber axle]

Psykers evaporating a room, or Plasma Vets killing the entire wall of Crushers and Flak Ragers without breaking a sweat, or Rat Zealots zooming around murdering anything that moves

[split sapphire]

Boltgun can still be good right?

[somber axle]

it's basically a worse plasma gun so yes it's good but it's slower

[junior needle]

It's a dmr now

And yes worse plasma

[somber axle]

you can do funny things like burst fire magdump into a burgle's back and with lucky crits melt it

[dusty nacelle]

kickback is amazing but it gets kinda walled by bulwarks and cara

[junior needle]

Kickback doesn't have nearly as good rapid target elimination

And suffers at range

[split sapphire]

A friend of mine called the boltgun, the insta-gibber

Funny enough

[sharp epoch]

Theres really not that much range in the game tbh

maybe like on some hourglass maps

[somber axle]

the only time I've really noticed an Ogryn do crazy damage is when a Gunlugger Ogryn is bringing the can opener to rip open boss shields on assassination or using a twin stubber to delete an entire line of 10-12 ragers

[dusty nacelle]

u would honestly be surprised how good it is at sniping esp ever since the pellet min damage change

[somber axle]

OH and the cannon thing that explodes

for just making bosses go boom

and everything else

[dusty nacelle]

generally the things that are going to be out of your range the most like bombers/snipers are going to die in 1 or 2 pellets anyways
but i might just be dumb

[grand perch]

Our kickback ogryn did the most damage on Hardcore twin boss consistently

[somber axle]

kickback ogryns are a wild breed

[grand perch]

Big pumper

[sharp epoch]

Gunlugger with kickback goes crazy, you probably have like 3x amount of damage as other teammates

[somber axle]

I'd absolutely believe they were best boss damage always on twins

[junior needle]

Not as good since they nerfed the min pellets and you can't one tap snipers anymore

[somber axle]

have a vet with focus target mark a twin and watch an ogryn turn them into lunch

even without the vet tbh

still lunch

[junior needle]

I've used it extensively

[sharp epoch]

That's true it's min pellet damage makes it a 2 shot

any range

[dusty nacelle]

you're right it doesn't 1tap them it just does half their hp and then knocks them over completely 💔

[idle bluff]

What about the laspistols? I got a 80% damage mk x that's dead ass a pocket IA lasgun

[junior needle]

Laspistols are good but don't have as deep of an ammo pool as infantry lasguns

[sharp epoch]

^

[junior needle]

Also more reliant on hitting heads

It's like the knife where all the damage is loaded into the finesse values

[somber axle]

I'm not a good source for info on them because I've only dabbled but I can share this

[junior needle]

And does dinky damage otherwise

[idle bluff]

I wanna build one for me zealot so I can whip it out for snipers and stuff faster then my ia

[junior needle]

Revolver

[idle bluff]

Aim not good enough 😦

[grand perch]

Laspistol is fine on zealots as well

[junior needle]

You can build for bodyshot crit one shots on most targets

[idle bluff]

Also irons can be hard to his snipers with

[sharp epoch]

Revolver makes aim easier tbh the bullets are like cans you shoot out

[junior needle]

Revolver has better potential but laspis also deals with shooters better

[somber axle]

I will say I have used both revolver and laspistol on Zealot and they both work fine. Revolver is definitely much better for deleting specials/elites particularly maulers/crushers at a distance but laspistol is very comfy if you can click heads consistently

[dusty nacelle]

it's okay zarona has magnetic bullets so it's like you're aiming at a rectangle anyways

[junior needle]

Going from 1 to 2 shots on a slow reloading weapon was a pretty big change

[sharp epoch]

Also laspistol isnt as reliable at range because of the bloom

[junior needle]

Slow reloading, single shot

[dusty nacelle]

if you're having trouble with the irons u can get the weapon customization mod to just put a sight on it :)

[junior needle]

If your aim isn't good laspis isn't gonna work that great for you either

[idle bluff]

Well my logic is I'm a zealot so I'm meleeing big guys.

[dusty nacelle]

It would be if the cleave and stagger on it wasn't completely immense
You would think it'd be a big difference on a singleshot weapon but each shot gives you more than enough time to reload and fire off the second shot, especially when firing into the crowd to snipe at something

but i dunno

[junior needle]

The issue isn't the target you're shooting at, it's everything else vying for your attention

[dusty nacelle]

melee the big guys and then revolver instakill the scary guys :)

[potent iris]

yeah y'all are right, Ogryn needs buffs

[dusty nacelle]

You're an ogryn if it's not a disabler it's probably fine

[somber axle]

buff kickback ogryn

[sharp epoch]

I think I hit my damage record with kickback ogryn its pretty brioken

[junior needle]

I mean, you can get chipped by chaffe or swarms of ragers

[somber axle]

one day I'll revisit my Ogryn and give kickback a proper try

[junior needle]

It's just not good for your health

[sharp epoch]

ooo found it

[junior needle]

Pbb helps but that assumes you're taking it

[idle bluff]

So is everyone in this chat? Like can I also ask zealot questions?

[somber axle]

but the last time I played Ogryn I got angry about snipers across the map and went all in on gunlugger twin stubber ogryn build so I could at least tap fire them down

too used to being able to delete things at long long ranged on vet, zealot and psyker

[dusty nacelle]

u can ask any quesiton and any chat and get away with it :)

[sharp epoch]

kickback deletes snipers pretty easily if you need a weapon for that

[somber axle]

Zealot chat would be better but there are people here with some good Zealot experience who can give input too

[potent iris]

vet chat is pretty useful for everything except Vet advice

[junior needle]

Zealot chat is constantly off topic

[somber axle]

not me though I run Zealot with Evis 15 Perfect Strike/Shred and it's also a meme build like Vet Recon VId

don't follow in my footsteps

[idle bluff]

I thought that but I asked a question and the only awnser was a drunk pepe react

[somber axle]

oh LOL

[sharp epoch]

ironhelm better hammer

[somber axle]

I totally missed it

[idle bluff]

Thank you

[sharp epoch]

It's just more versatile, crucis is better for straight up bosses

[idle bluff]

What's a good perk on the infantry lasgun other then infurnis?

[junior needle]

Infernus is big shit on infantry lasguns

Most things actually

[somber axle]

Kantrael XII, Mg1a, and IV all want Deadly Accurate and Head Hunter I think?

[idle bluff]

I heard ironhelms on demand overhead strike made it better for bosses

[somber axle]

there's another blessing that's ok but I don't remember off of the top of my head

some people like Ghost

OH YOU SAID PERK

ignore me I should be asleep

here you go

[junior needle]

Ghost can be a good pickup with deadshot/dnd

[idle bluff]

Honestly I got an IA built for my purposes (to whip out and spam at a ranged problem unit) that you'll crucify me if you ever see lol

[somber axle]

ok yeah the third ok blessing was ghost

Head Hunter/Ghost is fine

[potent iris]

nahhh, it's 25% less damage than crucis

[somber axle]

or go all in on damage with Head Hunter/Deadly Accurate

[sharp epoch]

I think the on demand overhead is better for elites because its a light charged hit, you wanna be hitting them with heavy charged hits cause their hitboxes are giant and you can land them consistently with jumps

[idle bluff]

Imma keep it 💯... I play on xbox and every things got a layer of blur that makes hitting ranged targets in dark areas hard. So I'm not hitting a headshot

[sharp epoch]

honestly for lasguns you just want good perks and 80% damage and stopping power, the blessings are all meh

[junior needle]

That is some impressive ammo hoarding, even the recon enjoyers don't take that much

[somber axle]

but head hunter and clicking heads can make infantry lasguns funny with shock trooper

scav ammo aura

go ammo positive like helbores

[junior needle]

There's quite a few good blessings for lasguns

[sharp epoch]

its ok it went to a good cause

[junior needle]

Did you use it to shoot into melee chaffe

[idle bluff]

My lasgun runs opening Salvo and infurnus.

[junior needle]

Don't want either of those currently

[sharp epoch]

Chaff + disablers/specials good value

[junior needle]

Melee kills

163

[somber axle]

just noticed this and wow

Ogryns best class

[junior needle]

16 small ammo, 5 big ammo, 4 ammo crate pickups

[somber axle]

Ogryn is never die, Ogryn is my favourite guy

[sharp epoch]

ogryns busted but hes unpopular cause big or something idk

[somber axle]

until he walks in front of my gun

[junior needle]

Yep, it's melee chaffe shooting time

[potent iris]

pretty much yeah lol

[somber axle]

the meta being plasma isn't just because it's overpowered, it's also because it can shoot through ogryns

[junior needle]

But please don't do that if you can avoid it, ogryns have very good horde mulching melee weapons

[potent iris]

ngl I tried to get into ogryn but I fuckin' hate ogryn melee, it's all so braindead

[short vapor]

Ironhelm's special does less single target damage. H1 and H2 do 20% less, H3 does 10% less. If you want boss killing the Crucis has instant access to better ST damage.

[wanton dawn]

Ogryn felt lacking in ranged variety when i played it

[somber axle]

exactly that

I missed my ranged options on other classes

[sharp epoch]

You can pretty much tank entire gunner hordes as long as your just spamming heavy attack near you

[potent iris]

yeah, I hate it lmao

well more just I hate how all weapons are just heavy spam

[somber axle]

all the heavy spam makes it feel so slow too

[potent iris]

it'd be like if Zealot only had access to heavy swords and that's it

[somber axle]

at least Psyker Macabian Dueling Sword IV spamming heavies to poke down Crushers still feels fast

[potent iris]

just ain't for me if it's the only style available

[sharp epoch]

I think the only one that isn't heavy spam is one of the clubs, the bull butcher, and that other knife thingy

[old quail]

the only move you're allowed to do is the hs7 scoop

[junior needle]

mk4 has fairly good light spam

[wanton dawn]

Meanwhile, ps6 having no heavy

[sharp epoch]

I miss my ps3 heavy spam

[junior needle]

It's still there

[sharp epoch]

its gone 😔

[somber axle]

be the change you want to see

every other vet using mk 6 power sword to poke down crushers in push attack and two light swings

go mk 3

heavy swing hordes

live your best life and ignore others

[dusty nacelle]

also back to this i might just be an idiot but I feel like ogryn has more than enough options to give himself time to reload to snipe something off in the distance without taking chip

like that was just with a random garbage kickback i got from like an emperor's drop that i put on my bullgryn loadout so i'm not sure exactly

[sharp epoch]

It's pretty easy to get a nice kickback cause it only has like 4 or 5 blessings lol

[dusty nacelle]

i think i accidentally marked mine as trash 🥹

[sharp epoch]

dam

[dusty nacelle]

i spent like 10 minutes looking for it in my inventory

[sharp epoch]

reminds me of when i sold my main revolver

[dusty nacelle]

i'm gonna keep looking for it and if i don't find it ig i have to roll for a new kickback

[terse idol]

well to be fair the kickback is just pretty good

don't even need that much

[sharp epoch]

I think I got a semi perfect one in like less than 5 upgrades

[dusty nacelle]

oh god i have to individually go through all of my marks to see if i'm throwing away any good weapons now

[junior needle]

Yes you can dodge around, but actually maps typically do not provide with a massive wide open area

And enemies only coming from one direction

[dusty nacelle]

Keep in mind that was also in an environment with little cover to use with snipers and also no teammates so absolutely no coherency buffs as well
Also danced around in mind because u said specifically without taking chip so

[junior needle]

Don't think coherency is an issue on heavy build ogryn

[sharp epoch]

I feel like ogryn just ineveitably takes more chip damage because of his slower dodges and size I guess

[junior needle]

And snipers are easier to avoid damage from compared to say

shooter packs and gunners

And of course, with a shield

You'll always have the safety of being able to retreat behind it

Less forgiving if you run other melee though (I run other melee)

[dusty nacelle]

It's kinda similar to zealot where you can very easily give yourself enough time to stagger and deal with hordes to give yourself enough time to get shots off to deal with the ranged enemies on things like revo but granted in a clip like this it's made easier due to the fact revo just 1shots at any range and has more than 1 shot in its capacity

When in a situation where you're telling me to avoid chip altogether it's definitely alot harder but ogryn although it's harder to avoid chip with him it's cuz he can just really afford to somewhat ignore it, esp if ability is off cooldown

whereas zealot does basically the same thing but just like avoids chip cuz smaller and faster

but i might just be dumb

[junior needle]

Keep in mind I'm not saying it's impossible or that you don't have options

[wanton dawn]

Ogryn have a LOT of innate DR

[junior needle]

Just that having to do long reloads under duress can get tense very quickly

[dusty nacelle]

I'm also saying if you're playing your ogryn properly you can definitely afford to fire off your kickback at something in the distance while dealing with a horde

Sniping off specials while dealing with the horde is most of this game after all

at least i think

[junior needle]

You can, although not terribly efficiently if you aren't leveraging surgical

[dusty nacelle]

I mostly do it with the grenadier gauntlet tho since it covers cara hordes which shield has a harder time dealing with

[wanton dawn]

What is the sweatiest ogryn build ?

[dusty nacelle]

i would probs ask one of the oldgryns i have no idea

[junior needle]

GG is easier to do it with regularly, faster pullout and fire last time I checked

[dusty nacelle]

maybe like a club with bull rush and kickback

[junior needle]

Also not a single shot

[wanton dawn]

Seeing kickback does not surprise me

[junior needle]

But the point of the original comparison was kickback vs plasma

And plasma is just better by a large margin

[wanton dawn]

Easy: both weapon need vet to thrive

[junior needle]

Except in possibly ease of use

[dusty nacelle]

Sort of, it does have a slightly faster switch speed but the reload speed is so absolutely abysmal that you HAVE to make your shots count, esp since you can't just cleave through enemies in front of your target

[sharp epoch]

KICKBACK AND MK4 OR BILLY CLUB

[dusty nacelle]

If you miss that's 25% of your mag gone and a full 2 second reload even with an animation cancel

[junior needle]

Revolver problems I see

[dusty nacelle]

yeppp except it's even worse cuz it can't stage reload

[wanton dawn]

Try playing as plasma vet with a kickback ogryn. Do not bring surv. See how it goes

[dusty nacelle]

so you can't just reload 1 bullet and then snipe that one thing that needs to die right now

[junior needle]

But if you miss with a kickback its 100% of your mag gone

[dusty nacelle]

THAT'S TRUE

i didn't think about that

[sharp epoch]

thats when you become lootgryn

[dusty nacelle]

the very ammo hungry ogryn caterpillar

[wanton dawn]

More like, blame the vet

There is a reason i am kickback-racist

[sharp epoch]

to be fair i didnt even have a vet the game i picked up like 20 ammo packs

[junior needle]

[woven vigil]

Tried to play the sharpshooter (left skill tree) after playing mostly squad leader vet
Had an awful time in auric with it.

Any tips on how to improve your shooty vet experience? I was running a vraks 3 and Rashad, and tried to focus on the shooting part but I still felt massively squishy lol

[terse idol]

uh yep

Welcome to not playing VOC

[wanton dawn]

Left keystone ? Cant help you with that i hate it

[junior needle]

MF is very niche and for most shooting applications the ping keystone is better

[terse idol]

I mean it's like

[sharp epoch]

shooty vet is made out of paper

[terse idol]

Fun to play MF with a Ilas

[wanton dawn]

Exe is fine though

[terse idol]

Create toughness with marksmens focus

[junior needle]

exe is also just objectively inferior to VOC

[terse idol]

I thinjk...

I forgor

[grand perch]

Shoot heads more good

[sharp epoch]

losing exe on weapon swap also sucks big time

[woven vigil]

Damn, i guess i got too used to the old Vet who had toughness protection on volley fire and instant reload

[terse idol]

It is hardmode vet pretty much

[junior needle]

Needs a rework

[sharp epoch]

you need a weapon that deals with the random zombies near you

[terse idol]

I do like MF but... I mean it awards you, not going pinpoint more

Since, uh, ciag is funny with MF

[wanton dawn]

2 days ago though i managed to reach 250 yellow thoughness on my own

[grand perch]

I'm perfectly fine with current marksman build... Even if the keystone is awkward

At least it has a high skill ceiling too keep it interesting

[terse idol]

I mean

[gray finch]

play with lasgun on longrange and a knife for mobility

[terse idol]

The reward

Is mid

[junior needle]

The current "marksmen" build doesn't even take left side for the most part

[terse idol]

Like Exe... just works worse when you fight a boss

[wanton dawn]

I just think tag marksmen is better and easier than mf

[terse idol]

Like, wow maybe we should award getting headshots on a boss when your whole thing is headshot stuf

[junior needle]

That's because it is

[terse idol]

Yeah

I mean, I can like Larp with

exe and Mf

Exe just struggles

[sharp epoch]

I haven't really seen any breakpoints the tag helps with

[terse idol]

it's the utility

[sharp epoch]

I think for plasma it helped with dog headshots kills but thats it or was it poxbursters

and you needed infested 25% on your plasma

[wanton dawn]

Tag has target down. It is better than all mf subtalent combined and synergize with deadshot

[sharp epoch]

With revovler im guessing?

[wanton dawn]

With all deadshot guns

[wanton plume]

which perks is the best for munitorum VI power sword?

[sharp epoch]

carpace and flak

[wanton dawn]

Maniac, unyielding, carapace, flak on no ammo

[sharp epoch]

You need carapace for the 2 shot on crushers right

[wanton dawn]

If you want to deal with carapace you take sunder and stop arguing about taking out solo crusher while bouncing on bm build

Also i need to check the circumstances but maniac ps6 on melee build can os small mutie on light hit

Which is very dumb

[dusty nacelle]

if you yell insults at the crusher loud enough it'll deal heavy unlisted psychological damage and that applies to all builds

[sharp epoch]

No way, maybe a crit

a light takes out a mutie??

[wanton dawn]

The small one from maelstrom waves

Big one needs heavy or push attack on head

[sharp epoch]

I think I already one shot them without maniac 25%

if I remember

but I have brutal momentum and some melee feats

[wanton dawn]

Meanwhile unyielding is for boss.

Its an insurance

4 stacks of tag and precision to OS mutie with 25% maniac, 80% dmg 78% finesse and no bm. Or 7 stacks of redirect fire and 1 stack of tag

Also just for fun

[daring jungle]

what is the best lagun for veteran?

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bc5be3e-d9f0-4c40-a61c-b1f7186d57ca/clutch
Good build

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, no

[last parcel]

this is so cursed

i need to try it

[dreamy spade]

Well theoretically as long as you can keep reviving teammates and staying alive you can't lose

[sand oracle]

You would have to revive less teammates if you had a build that was better at killing and holding ground.

[dreamy spade]

Well yeah but regardless randoms are gonna die

[sand oracle]

That said, veteran shout and 1% ammo regen coherency are the only ones I will take because they improve everyone's game by a lot.

Not if you build specifically to baby them, which shout can do fantastically.

Hard to die with a 15-20 second CD HP reset + invulnerability shield and a build that can kill bosses in 10 hits, and everything else in 1-2.

[torpid grotto]

Shout is op

[dreamy spade]

Well my plasma build is really beneficial for teammates but that requires them to stay in my aura and they always have trash positioning

Voc is overrated

Relic does a better job

[vagrant wolf]

why tf does lucius have a long swap time

wtf

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[late hatch]

does the stutter step work?

[sand oracle]

<@&735928989146939404>

[grand perch]

Helbore tiltgun demands the time to get ready

[trim hemlock]

Because it’s a design decision, and arguably a very good one for the weapon to have a sensible downside

Otherwise you’d never use infantry lasguns over helbros

[grand perch]

Except for the ease of use infantry lasguns have

[dreamy vortex]

What kinda builds are y'all running?