veteran-class

[agile forge]

much easier just doing VoC plasma

[empty kettle]

Bolter my favorite

[astral valve]

I played around with not going down into MF and it felt bad

[empty kettle]

But that Recon lasgun with infernos sounds cool

[agile forge]

It's definitely a weaker build than using FT etc

overall at least

but in the situations where it shines it's incredible

[astral valve]

Am I the only weirdo using Power DI

[lyric dock]

I use Power DI as well

[fast sundial]

cursed power sword with broken battery and really sharp blade

[slow spade]

Remember to bully your local sniper

[shadow aurora]

Of course. Snipers are nerds

The ones in darktide are fine tho

[astral valve]

When should I feel bad about my damage numbers 😅

[terse idol]

Whaat what ya mean

[astral valve]

Sometimes I finish a mission and everything went super well and we were all on top of everything but I end up with like, half as much damage as the next guy up

[terse idol]

What cha mean

[lyric dock]

Never feel bad about your damage numbers

[terse idol]

You talking about the Brood spewers

[astral valve]

Sometimes my ass is on fire the whole time and my numbers are great but the mission felt like a shitfest

[lyric dock]

The most important number is the friends you made along the way

And having a tale to tell to the new Varlets

[shadow aurora]

The most important number is the plasteel you made along the way

[lyric dock]

That too

[astral valve]

After dipping my toes into Damnation a few more times I feel more willing to endure the beating for the payout

It feels like so much more than Heresy :o

[agile forge]

Soon you will do Auric maelstrom just for the joy of it

[lyric dock]

Damnation is where you get generally solid players

[white minnow]

roughly double the plasterl so that makes sense

[lyric dock]

Heresy is if you want to see shit shows in progress

[astral valve]

It's already 50/50 whether I want to apologize to my team after a Damnation run

[lyric dock]

Malice if you want a "Feel good" game

[last parcel]

damn i just always looked in the mirror

[agile forge]

It's all good, so long as you're enjoying yourself and actually trying

We all get embarrassingly splatted

[shadow aurora]

Not me im goated

[frank ether]

ATAT is a mobile enemy spawner

[agile forge]

If you want embarrassing try blowing yourself up on Psyker still, while you have 200 games and Venting shriek

Because been there this week lmao

[lyric dock]

Everyone has their bad days

[astral valve]

I'm always at risk of doing this via switching to the wrong weapon. I redid a few binds and that's helped some but I will still whip out a staff instead of a sword sometimes and just let 'er rip

[terse idol]

*oh

I mean canonically

BoN's aren't mobile spawners

Their entire thing is they want to play and give hugs

[vague smelt]

WE CRUNCH HERETICS IN DAMNDATION MODAFOKKA GET YO HERETIC ASS BACK TO MALICE

[frank ether]

who gives a flying fuck about warhammer canon though

you got space marines next to nicki minaj

[terse idol]

Then why the fuck are ya trying to make them mobile spawners and then bringing the comparison to hd2's titan strider

Not trying to be aggressive but like

This is why GW is so strict about the whole canon stuff

Mega stinky

[terse idol]

Also true

But darktide isn't that... THING

GW simply approved the Cosmetic, Niki Minaj simply isn't a sister of battle

Yet.

[serene bough]

Minaj would make a great sister

Honestly, to play Minaj as a Sister of Battle w/ a flamer should be canon

[frank ether]

Idk dude stay mad

enjoy like sitting in BoN goop I guess

[inland canopy]

B students

[neat stratus]

Will the game become good with this new update?

[terse idol]

Mad of what doe

[lyric dock]

It'll give you something to work towards as you kill heretics

That's really about it

No new weapons or variants to play with, No new maps,

[vocal cipher]

Good things aren’t real dog

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[crude fiber]

Update

[inland canopy]

honestly this is probably more like a minor refresher to make the award system more varied

[crude fiber]

Are they adding new penance or just slapping additional awards for current ones?

[inland canopy]

like utilize diamantine more and make collecting scripture/grimoire have actual turnouts

[inland canopy]

new penances and make it like a seasonal track thing

[crude fiber]

Good lol, cause I already have all but a few 250 of mission type penace and as funny as it would be to immediately unlock everything it would make it a nothing update for me

[inland canopy]

but yeah there's probably not gonna be a big update till christmas or something

[frank ether]

I don't know you tell me

[tall torrent]

It’s not seasonal

[bright cliff]

preferred rolls on the cowboy revolver?

I imagine it's hand cannon and either crucian roulette or surgical but I've never used the gun before

[trim hemlock]

Hand Cannon and Surgical are BIS blessings

[junior needle]

Cowboy revolver

[trim hemlock]

Oh, hold on, that's Agri

Crucian and Handcannon then

[junior needle]

If you want to use it as intended, then crucian/handcannon

If you want to use it like a bad zarona, you can go surgical/handcannon

[bright cliff]

do you need the extra flak/maniac damage for any break points or can I take 10% ranged crit dmg

[junior needle]

You never under any circumstance want to take the crit damage perk

Or weakspot damage perk, but I’ve heard that had one possible application on a single shovel

[bright cliff]

what's so bad about them

[junior needle]

Crit/weakspot damage bonuses are calculated in a distinctly stupid way on this game

[lyric dock]

It barely gives you any value

[bright cliff]

figures

[junior needle]

And only affect the damage difference between a normal and weakspot hit/crit

Not the whole hit

[bright cliff]

whenever this game rears its head and says "this stat has horrible scaling" I'm never surprised tbh

[lyric dock]

Like maybe a extra few points of damage in the long term

If only I knew how bad crit damage was when I made my MK 10 las pistol long ago

[junior needle]

If only fatshark made a game with mechanics that made logical sense

Also where dumdum

[lyric dock]

I ran dumdum on this plenty of times and I never really noticed the boosts it gave

[junior needle]

It could just not cause you to hit breakpoints

But it is the best overall blessing on basically every gun that has it

Close range damage has been normalized to function like anoint in blood

So no damage at 25+

But more damage the closer you are

[lyric dock]

So acts like Zealot's skill where the closer you are the more gun damage you do

[junior needle]

yee

Up to 25m

[lyric dock]

May have to run some tests close range since I usually do Medium to long range

[junior needle]

That would explain why you didn't percieve any value

It'd either be considerably lower or nonexistent

Laspistols are accurate enough to snipe

[lyric dock]

And if anything does get close like a Brusier. One tap to the head

Assuming I don't get Fatshark hit reg

[junior needle]

Well, bruisers aren't exactly what you take your gun out for

Ghost is also really good with deadshot/dnd shenanigans

Highly recommend over reassuringly accurate

[lyric dock]

Will give those try....And probably make a new las pistol all together...

That means Brunt diving....Yay....

While my Psyker has 7 370+ MK X las pistols...

[fast sundial]

@tall torrent what do you think of the unpower sword (yes i replaced power cycler IV on the one i posted a while back)

[tall torrent]

As long as ur happy

[fast sundial]

it was for an experiment

my review is: it's alright, it's still a power sword, it still kills heretics

objectively worse than having power cycler? for certain

slaughterer rampage does allow for funny oneshots in theory

[lyric dock]

Decent

[last parcel]

lmao eat shit

[lyric dock]

That sword is cursed

[bright cliff]

brick inc

[vague smelt]

stamina perk inb

[lyric dock]

+Sprint eff

[fast sundial]

but it can oneshot a crusher

[junior needle]

Unpowered sword
Uses the power

[fast sundial]

it's designed to be as powerful as it can be outside of activations

and then the activations are hilariously big swings

the final product? bootleg illisi

[junior needle]

iirc you can hit crusher one shots with brutal/cycler as well

oh whoops

didn't mean to quote that

[fast sundial]

apology accepted

[fast sundial]

you can hit twoshots

[junior needle]

Hmm, maybe I was mistaken and it was bulwarks

One of the two were definitely in one shot range, albeit with some particular stats and juice needed

But the issue with that setup is you need to stack both blessings for it

And there's crushers in a mixed horde they can make that difficult

[tall torrent]

bulwark can 1 shot

[bright cliff]

bastard

[vague smelt]

HAHAHAHAHA

[bright cliff]

this game fuckin sucks

round 2

infested

great

[odd sparrow]

hoping the famed crafting update will help

[bright cliff]

I hope in the crafting menu they completely obliterate the darktide crafting system and replace it with the vermintide one

every time I think the v2 system is garbage I play darktide

then I thank my lucky stars

[lethal lantern]

guys are these any good? what's the ideal perks and blessings for this (veteran) 😭

[tall torrent]

Mk13g is the niche chainsword that basically only uses light spam

[lethal lantern]

is that a good thing? so it's ideal for light attacks only?

[tall torrent]

Its niche is horde clear (groaners & poxwalkers) with one of the best clear speeds available

It’s not so good in like everything else (for veteran at least)

You have to have wrath to be able to activate rampage against bruisers

Otherwise it can’t hit more than 2 scab bruisers

[hearty panther]

its niche is having a killer move set anchored to awful anims and sequences

[tall torrent]

And since it has no easy access to sweeping heavy, wrath is basically mandatory

It has no coherent combos

[astral valve]

Just click a lot

[tall torrent]

If it had coherent combo for actual single target & horde focused stuff then I’d rate it higher

[lyric dock]

Keep swinging (The mod) 🙂

[lethal lantern]

dang so those two swords are basically worthless by not having either of the ideal blessings

ill just stick to mk6 powersword (:

[junior needle]

Shred is an acceptable alternative to rampage. There's a minor difference (like 2-3 seconds) in clear speed for the same number of the same kind of chaffe enemies but that's assuming you aren't dropping shred stacks.

[lethal lantern]

ah i see. it's got lv 1 of that xd

[agile forge]

Mark IV feels really nice

[junior needle]

It also has better explicitly single target damage

[agile forge]

Bit shit against Carapace, only downside

[lethal lantern]

where do you get this stat page from o-o

[junior needle]

Yeah chainswords blow with regular hits against carapace

[agile forge]

Tbh it feels bad with the rev too

It kills anything but a crusher really well

[junior needle]

True, but it's not as bad with rev

[agile forge]

But takes a lot of revved hits for a crusher

[junior needle]

Those are approximations of performance, I wouldn't rely on the graphs too much

[agile forge]

Then again my only other chain weapon is my Zealot's XV

[junior needle]

Chainaxes do carapace better last I checked, also because thunderous

[agile forge]

Which is very much not bad at crushers

I gotta try a chainaxe soon

I keep forgetting they exist

[junior needle]

They're easily forgettable

[agile forge]

I have only just discovered the wonder of the shovel 7

[junior needle]

I think regular chainweapons need a mechanical rework on the rev

[agile forge]

Pairs appropriately well with a helbore

[junior needle]

It's not very satisfying or thematic to only use it on a single target and have to turn it on constantly

Same with power weapons

[lethal lantern]

hmm

spent 25k plasteel for this 😭 i need a refund

[agile forge]

Eh, I like it

I love how revved attacks feel very personal

Like "I'm gonna put myself at great risk just to fuck you up super hard"

[last parcel]

me when i find a lone bruiser

[agile forge]

Maybe put a little more damage in if you break the attack early by dodging out

Still less than a full saw, but a little less sad than it is now

I feel like yanking it out like that should do something

Also shovel 7 is a Thunder hammer

[tall torrent]

I made it based on estimations & experience with them

It’s not meant to be a 100% accurate representation

But I’d say its fairly close to how it would normally perform

I should also mention that

In the “horde clear” section

Bruisers are weighted much more heavily (which most melee weapons don’t do that great against)

And this is why most weapons don’t have >40 horde clear rating

[junior needle]

It’s not really practical, especially compared to power weapons. You can at least dodge out of it now though, which for the longest time you were stuck there waiting for a crusher/mauler overhead

I’d very much to see charging/rev provide an alternate move set instead, or in addition to a bonus

Like trick weapons from bloodborne

[thin flame]

im tempted to try and get an MK2 helbore to mix things up from my MK1

[tall torrent]

Which would u change

I can send u the document rn for review

Dm? I’ll send the whole thing and u can tell me which ones to change

Anti-armor is generally carapace but I figured scab rager being 10 mass also has funny effects with cleave weapons

So it’s generally crusher / mauler / scab rager

Emphasis is carapace

That’s what I used

50 is highest, everything else weighed down

It’s a lot easier to build PS6 2HS than Rashad 3HS

Let’s take it to dms lol I don’t wanna flood this chat with my weird terminology

And I’m very open to suggested changes

[radiant cargo]

what's the rule of thumb on perks for power sword these days? I've got power cycle and rampage as the blessings. add more flack damage and maniac? or is it worth getting exra carapace damage or anything?

[sinful jacinth]

Depends on what you want to chop down faster. Flak, maniac, unyielding, and cara are the go-to.

[hollow ibex]

maniac, cara or unyielding

whether you choose maniac or cara will depend on your PS's breakpoints

[bitter turtle]

Maniac carapace unyielding

Flak is meh and not very useful

Keep in mind your rampage is suboptimal

[sinful jacinth]

I have cara and elite on my sword.

[bitter turtle]

Rampage is inferior to BM and sunder if you wanted to know the optimal 2nd blessing

Pcycler with one of those is best

[serene bough]

Pls post soon

Want2read

[bitter turtle]

It's already up on pins no?

[last parcel]

that's the old version

[hollow ibex]

yes new version will have dark mode

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

it's gonna be delayed because I'm changing the weapon radar charts

on the brighter side, the new charts look kinda better than the old one

[last parcel]

oo x/10 scale

[hollow ibex]

if you're just releasing it as a link to an online word doc

it'll just update automatically right?

unless you're aiming for perfection before releasing, which i can understand too

[tall torrent]

it tracks changes
but it can't track live changes

so if I release it, then immediately set off to make a change

then it won't be updated for people that have it open

it needs manual refresh to track

[hollow ibex]

hmm tbf prob not the end of the world

[last parcel]

well anyone who clicks after you make the change will be fine

[hollow ibex]

because people will closer their browsers

and re-open the page later

presumably

[last parcel]

hides my 255252 open tabs

hey where did my ram go

[tall torrent]

best if I just have everything as rdy as possible tho

[tall torrent]

also the 10-scale is a lot harsher

if the weapon is avg at it, then it's getting rated 5/10

[austere pine]

for the emperor..?

[tall torrent]

no more IGN-style ratings (everything 6~10 unless truly bad at it)

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

CS4

[austere pine]

tried taking voc after a long time of not using it (due to an infiltrate addiction) and i just can't get over the fact that infiltrate just makes you take 0 damage from enemies

just too good, dude

[lethal lantern]

s

[last parcel]

s

[bitter turtle]

Infiltrate chads

We rise

[last parcel]

pffft, yeah right. I don't see anyone ri- AAUUUGCK

[woeful ibex]

They changed the rotation time

its Friday now

11:00 AM Swedish Time

[flat pebble]

…?

this happened yesterday for most people

am I missing something

[last parcel]

the voices

the voices

thevoices

[woeful ibex]

Originally Skin Rotation was thursday

they changed it to friday

[flat pebble]

11am Sweden time is 2am pacific time, where I’m at. The store did not rotate for me at 2am today because I looked at the store yesterday morning and it had rotated

you can look at the reddit and see posts about the rotation yesterday as well

[north spoke]

I just wanna see the data mined cosmetics for the penance update

Or any

[flat pebble]

i wonder how different the loyalist moebian skins will look

[north spoke]

Yeah I been wondering that too

[flat pebble]

seems both really cool and also something that’s going to confuse my teammates a lot at first

[north spoke]

Maybe it'll be similar to the 21st skin but with Bullet belts all around?

[woeful ibex]

@north spoke So far Ogryn got datamined

[north spoke]

Oooo

Sadly no Ogryn made yet

[junior needle]

Says failed to load image

Is it just me

[balmy flume]

I see the Ogryn breather pic

Could be Discord acting up though

[junior needle]

Might just be a connection issue on my phone

[icy heron]

Is power sword mk3 or mk6 better?

Or are they the same

[balmy flume]

Check pins for details, but I get the impression Mk6 has more breadth of applications.

Against heavier enemy types

[flat pebble]

arguably the 6, the push attack->light attack twice combo is excellent for crushers and maulers and the lights are excellent for horde clear. Mk3 has marginally better horde clear but without the focused single target damage

[junior needle]

6 is widely considered much better

Don't think the 3 even has better horde clear with brutal in the mix, but I haven't objectively tested it

[flat pebble]

“More” horizontal I suppose, along with more up front damage if you heavy attack, which for mk3 are horizontal. Not worth it imo but ya

[somber axle]

Mk 3 charged heavies feel very smooth for clearing hordes fast if you can time it right to avoid getting poxwalkers swiping at you between swings. Mk 6 lights are still very good for horde clear too and the difference is negligible imo. Mk 6 has the added bonus of being able to wombo combo a Crusher in charge -> push attack + 2 light swings if you get a solid roll with the right blessings and perks too

Personally prefer the Mk 3 but tbh I don't like the power swords. They make the game too easy and boring

[junior needle]

You can technically get a higher percentage of horizontal swings, but the 6 having horizontals on light attacks (even if it has a crappy diagonal and the strikedown for 3/4) tends to put it ahead

That said I haven't used it since the charging change that makes it not reset your combo

[polar kayak]

flex, finally after a long time :3

[somber axle]

Nice!

Welcome to the Recon Crew

[pastel geode]

The lethal disco ball

[somber axle]

I got a second Recon with HH IV/INF IV and shoved Carapace onto it with a funny Exe Stance build to delete Crushers surprisingly fast

[grim widget]

is there a specific shovel that outperofrms the others?

[somber axle]

No one ever expects the flashlight to vaporize a Crusher

[grim widget]

i just got this

[polar kayak]

nice, i'll try to get carapace next

[grim widget]

what blessings do i put on this

[somber axle]

Head Hunter IV and Infernus IV

[polar kayak]

i miss the free ammo from crit hits before they nerfed it :[

[somber axle]

It still gives free shots when it crits with Shock Trooper and it can make for funny moments where it feels like the gun just never stops shooting

[near sable]

I remember when the recon Las could clear crusher patrols

[somber axle]

I never played with it pre-nerf so I have no understanding of how good it used to be, only that I really love how it feels now

[polar kayak]

it used to be ridiculous XD

[somber axle]

It being even better feels like I missed out on something crazy

[near sable]

It was very silly

[polar kayak]

probably better you didnt' experience it, i did not need ammo crates as much as i do now

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-gif-5913906

[polar kayak]

i haven't kept up with the latest patch news, hopefully it's gonna make this game super good

[somber axle]

The new announcement about penances and gear looks nice. No new weapons yet. But fingers crossed they finally let us earn the gear on the title screen

I want my Vet to have that helmet with the rebreather and goggles

Oh also some personality thing that lets you change character voice

Never swapping off of Loose Cannon tho

She's too funny and Melk thinks she's an idiot

[polar kayak]

no new skills 😦

[somber axle]

No change to gameplay other than new achievements and new cosmetics to earn

OH WAIT

They did mention a Tox Bomber

Stinky green flame bomber inc

Can't wait to see the AI director spawn 3 bombers and 3 tox bombers lighting the whole map on fire

[polar kayak]

new update to inspire more grinding i guess. i only got these things so far

[final stag]

It'll at least look pretty

[somber axle]

I half expect it to crash the game when it happens

new threat: kill the bombers before they spawn so much fire the game crashes

[near sable]

tox bombers except their DOT is the same as the super buffed fire

[wanton dawn]

Do I wait for craft rework, or do I gamba ?

[trim hemlock]

I’d wait

Or at least see what it is like at blue

[wanton dawn]

I got skullcrusher 3

[vague smelt]

I'm just grinding Plasteel until their new update

[last parcel]

see you on christmas lmao

[wanton dawn]

I don't grind anymore

Hoy, would you look at what I found when cleaning up my stash of curio

Emprah sometimes gift good stuff

[trim hemlock]

At least it’s somewhat better than the impact blessings

[wanton dawn]

Meh, am going to gamba

RIP

To the bin it goes

[tribal tangle]

my wrist...

[last parcel]

maybe you need to stroke slower

helps with edging too

[vague smelt]

Long Bomb and this at the same time

[manic cloak]

How did you do Make Every Shot Count? I play solo and not sure what the best method is.

[vague smelt]

Plasma gun

Don't miss any shot, don't shoot bullwarks

[manic cloak]

Google has old methods of connecting/disconnecting that are no longer valid it seems

Did you just go melee once you hit 0 rounds even though you get them back through passives?

[frail topaz]

Hey lads

[vague smelt]

I just spent all the ammo then went shovel

[frail topaz]

The punishing salvo blessing

Third + fourth shots

What is that?

I’m using a 540 recon las gun

But never bothered to apply that blessing because I assumed that it means only third and fourth shots of magazine hinting at semi auto weapons?

[tribal tangle]

its only useful on revolver

its exactly what you think

[frail topaz]

Cheers

Yeah haha

[grand perch]

salvo means salvo, as in stopping to fire and waiting a little bit before you start shooting again. nothing to do with your mag

[tribal tangle]

yeah that may be the definition but thats not the mechanic

typical fatshark

[grand perch]

i just tested this and its not true

i reload my agripinna infantry autogun, put 4 headshots on a reaper, with about 2 seconds between each shot to make sure its not a salvo - 277 each hit, all non crits

with autofire the third and fourth hit does more, to an average of 310,73 damage on 4 hits

all non-crits

tested with this:

[vague smelt]

Blergh

two bad blessings

[grand perch]

its the same with sustained fire blessing, salvo means salvo. not 3rd+4th shot of mag

[vague smelt]

There are better options avaliable

[grand perch]

sir, we're just testing if the blessing is bugged here

[vague smelt]

Are they ?

[agile forge]

No

Just bad lol

Raking fire can be ok

[crude wind]

Raking fire is a good blessing in the right build

[fast sundial]

raking fire is good vs bonbon

i hate bonbon

anything that kills bonbon is good

[agile forge]

The dopamine hit when somebody manages to get it to turn away from you and you have a stronk boss dps gun

[junior needle]

Don’t use salvo blessings on those (using them in general is questionable but especially with those)

[manic cloak]

Can someone here tell me why you would run anything other than Plasma Gun as a ranged vet? Really struggling to make the Kantrael Lasgun compete with it even with Headhunter/Deadly Accurate at IV with Flak/Maniac IV.

I feel like I work a lot more to get the weak spot hits, where as the Plasma would just one shot them, and the enemies behind them from even a non-weak spot hit in less time.

[frank ether]

because I like having challenge and I like letting the rest of my team have fun aswell

[odd sparrow]

columnus can compete with plasma in terms off deleting non-ogryns

[manic cloak]

I presume the infantry autogun and not the braced?

[odd sparrow]

ye

mk v

can delete packs of ragers/gunners nearly as fast and some times faster than plasma when enemies arent lined up perfectly

[grand perch]

because limiting yourself to 1 gun is boooorinnnnng

also i like guns that are quicker at dispatching normal shooties and hordes of gunners

[lyric dock]

Always important to switch up your guns. You never know when balance patch may send a gun 6 feet under

[wanton dawn]

I like bolter

Agri brauto is great too

I dont like lasgun

[grand perch]

i cant stand to use braced weapon on vet, with the exception of plasma, since it actually shoots where you point consistently

on zealot and gunpsyker, thats a different story

[supple stag]

Not a fan of braced weaponary either

and uhh, not a fan of plasma too

[lyric dock]

I generally use

• Las Pistols
• Hellbore
• Bolter
• The rare plasma gun gameplay

[supple stag]

I like Vraks 7, Agripinaa Inf Autogun, Kantrael XII, Revolver (not fanned one), Accatran Laspistol

[wanton dawn]

I use plasma when i am tired of ppl folding and leaving me clutching with an exe stance build

[supple stag]

I play melee vet all the time, p sword or shovel go brr

is fun that way

[limber lance]

a good shovel build for horde and elite kills?

[vague smelt]

Take VII , Take Decimator/Thrust or Uncanny Strike

[agile forge]

Plasma isn't so great at shooter cleanup

It's better at it than a revolver but it still mostly feels wasteful

Autoguns and lasguns tend to do that job better

[supple stag]

I personally prefer III over VII

[merry glade]

[wanton dawn]

I wish people would stabilize before attempting an heroic rez into a flamer or a crusher overhead

[ripe totem]

shoulda seen these two zealots I had, were getting gunned down by 20 dreg gunners with autogun militia with bomber support and random crusher interspersing

they go down

"wtf where are our veterans we are such a good frontline"

[wanton dawn]

Well, ask him to rebind his tag button

[ripe totem]

they already had problems pathing around a demonhost

that's when you know

its gonna be spicy

[wanton dawn]

My average game I have twice the amount of tag compared to the rest of my team combined

[supple stag]

When it comes to frontline I usually do it

Melee Vet, no dodge slide gaming

I don't trust zealots to frontline

[frank monolith]

you guys ARE GETTING TAGS WHEN YOU PLAY???

[wanton dawn]

barely

Now tbf, I have the tag keystone. Still

Let's check my last game

Once the morningstar loads

[agile forge]

Tbh I don't bother pinging much in certain guns

My keybind is awkward for it on hellbore

I ping more on my plasma

[wanton dawn]

Imagine having to alt+f4 to get better load time

[grand perch]

hm, save plasteel for some future crafting rework, or use it to fill up blessing sticker book

[supple stag]

Gotta save plasteel for Power Greatsword

If we get that one

[frank monolith]

wait what scoreboard mod is that the ui looks amazing

[wanton dawn]

Power_DI

[thick hedge]

they should make a melk contract: tag 750 enemies

so people will learn to always tag

and then dont allow people to bind tag to shoot because that is literally cancer

[grand perch]

good god thats annoying, yeah

[frank ether]

Its gonna take like a good few months to arrive

[hollow ibex]

release date of june

(2026)

[gleaming lynx]

anyone here play Shotgun with the veteran?

[inland orchid]

Ya is nice

[sinful jacinth]

Only on my melee swap vet.

[gleaming lynx]

so, weapons specialist?

[supple stag]

Weapon specialist is fun

[sinful jacinth]

Yes, with Agile Engagement.

Just shoot once into a horde and swap back to melee and chop away.

And repeat once melee buff is gone.

Using the Agripinaa btw. Need to snipe from time to time.

[tame lodge]

Kant is insane with agile engagement due to the close quarters damage

[brisk oxide]

did they change the light attack pattern for the MK VI power sword?

[tall torrent]

They made it so the “power up” activation counts as part of combo chain

[brisk oxide]

ohhhh

[tall torrent]

But if u block cancel mk6 properly it’s no difference

[brisk oxide]

so you do charge, light, light, block, light?

[hearty panther]

They did change the pattern, too. L4 used to be L3 and vice versa.

[thick hedge]

bruh

[brisk oxide]

huh. i switched up to a mk III since it's a nice consistent pattern instead

[thick hedge]

i never noticed nobody tags

[brisk oxide]

not as good for brutal momentuming through hordes

[final stag]

It's impressive nobody tags

[brisk oxide]

so i'm running slaughter instead

[final stag]

I tag no matter what tbh

[thick hedge]

it literally lets you see better and gives you wall hack, why are people in auric not tag???

[brisk oxide]

i tend to only tag if there's something genuinely scary and needs attention

[final stag]

ON AURIC??

I tag regardless.
If I can't kill it on time my team can.

[thick hedge]

you cant see enemies across fire if you dont tag

[brisk oxide]

but i probably tag more than most people do

[final stag]

I tag even while shooting at

It's just a habit that I got from vermintide and never ceased from

[thick hedge]

always have something tagged

[wise fossil]

I've even seen people running Focus Target that don't tag much. 5 minutes into a mission and I see the yellow outline for the first time

[thick hedge]

lul

i understand saving focus target stack but you never should sit at max stacks

[somber axle]

I'll tag hounds, muties, snipers, etc.

also good to tag crushers/maulers if the group hasn't noticed their patrol yet

if someone's already engaged in a fight with the special/elite and you don't have the tag keystone it's silly to tag it since they already know

plus I think a lot of people rely a lot on audio queues to listen for when something is spawning in or approaching

the sound design is really good in this game

some people are just built different and don't need to tag something to know it's coming

[hearty panther]

Generally my experience as well, lol. Gold outline suddenly appears - "Wait, you had the entire time?"

[somber axle]

I feel like the general rule of thumb is to tag a threat others haven't noticed that you can't kill before it's on the team

if you can kill it when you see it, just kill it

no need to tag

[hearty panther]

Tag anyway.

You look like a real bozo when the ez kill you assumed you had gets away from you and causes a problem.

[brisk oxide]

people hate using their ultimates in this game

[hearty panther]

It's literally free and can be immediately reapplied.

[brisk oxide]

ive been playing damnation with my wife since she's not auric material and some of the shit i see is insane

[final stag]

I use my abilities frequently unless it's like exe stance

[brisk oxide]

top 3 instance yesterday, two psykers who would only cast smite and do literally nothing else

two guys smiting a plague ogryn

just a plague ogryn

[final stag]

That's hilarious

They were tickling him

[hearty panther]

feel the wrath of my tickle thunder

[brisk oxide]

i was losing it, we wiped right at that moment from that

[final stag]

Mixed horde with the plague ogryn or what?

[brisk oxide]

15 shogunners, mutants and snipers pop in, i'm at 1% ammo remaining on ogryn despite playing with 3 psykers because they're refusing to do any damage

[final stag]

Ah explains

Stood no chance

[brisk oxide]

yeah they were too busy focusing the ogryn down doing 15 dps

that, and finding out the zealot on my team was running relic halfway through the run was another good one

[final stag]

Tbf you should've sent those psykers into the meat grinder.

I tend to always 1v1 bosses as ogryn because it's funni

[hearty panther]

Relic is difficult to tempo tbh

[final stag]

I simply use it like I would shout

[hearty panther]

Yeah you could just use it off cooldown every time

[brisk oxide]

if you're running maximum CDR build, relic you just spam it everytime it's up basically

maybe time it slightly

[hearty panther]

But it packs nonsensical amounts of crowd control for 7 seconds and that's worth holding onto

[brisk oxide]

on my evisc build i can pop it twice a minute or more in a horde

people who use it twice a run are insane

[final stag]

You can hold onto it or you can give team toughness and killing power

[brisk oxide]

it's free real estate

[final stag]

Really is

[hearty panther]

I'm of the opinion that the +bonus after five channels are traps

[brisk oxide]

i've recently come to that conclusion

since people dont stand in it long enough

also the +damage is the better of the two

but im probably gonna take it off

[hearty panther]

At best the +damage one is just going to marginally make up for you having just taken yourself out of the fight for 7seconds casting it

[brisk oxide]

basically, yeah

it's only 20%

[hearty panther]

And TDR is almost irrelevant when you have +100 gold toughness

[somber axle]

if anyone else could see, the problem should def be dead or we're both bozos

[final stag]

It's 5 channels but you have 10 as long as you stand near someone they should get 10 seconds worth of dmg

The dmg resistance one is a trap however because nothing is hurting you in those 10 channels

[brisk oxide]

plus DR% has diminishing returns

so like a vet is getting nothing from it

[final stag]

How about ogryns who have taunt but don't use it worth a damn

[brisk oxide]

i can't tell if taunt is good ornot

[final stag]

It has stagger like shout so you can save people from incapicitators, taunts enemies on you and with a node gives your team like 20% dmg on taunted enemies

[brisk oxide]

my ogryn is exclusively gorgonum gun build with charmed reload and krourk mk IV knife, but ive never seen an ogryn taunt and thought wow what a clutch move

[final stag]

It sadly doesn't give you bonus DR like iron breaker did but still it's a good defensive tool

[brisk oxide]

maybe it just doesnt seem obvious what it's doing

i dunno like every time i see someone use it it's just a bunch of red headed poxwalkers standing around

[final stag]

It's good to peel off elites from your squishy team

And it forces shooters into melee rather than reposition

[brisk oxide]

seems like that could be cool with something that throws a lot of stagger

like shield

knock down a rager swarm

[final stag]

Yeah exactly that

It's a great defensive tool but you won't be dishing out a ton of damage.

Good for clutches however

[brisk oxide]

i can't stop using gorgonum+charmed reload ever since i figured that one out

popped 6 crushers without reloading the other day

[agile forge]

I feel like it's probably good with shovel 5

[brisk oxide]

you get like 30% more ammo per magazine

[final stag]

I am a skull breaker ogryn myself

[agile forge]

I imagine shield does better with indomitable idk

[brisk oxide]

also the gorgonum is insane for its accuracy, which people overlook

you can actually snipe snipers with it at 100m

good look doing that with krourk or achlys

[agile forge]

Achlys isn't too bad if you brace and crouch

But not as accurate, yeah

Loses more damage to range too iirc

[wanton dawn]

Being in sniper duty when i play plasma

[brisk oxide]

gorgon you don't even need to brace it, it's a laser even if you hipfire

[wanton dawn]

Well, still better than when i have my agri brauto

[agile forge]

Gorg has way less damage reduction from long range iirc

[brisk oxide]

that too

[somber axle]

taunt ogryns are nice but no one notices how they peel the heat off of them vs the vet shout being more obvious

[brisk oxide]

and it has proportionally the most benefit from charmed reload

[agile forge]

I prefer double power blessings though

[wanton dawn]

My fav gun for snipe duty is still boltet though

[agile forge]

Overwhelming fire Blaze Away light em up Achlys

If it was just the achlys boss damage being better I'd take Gorg. If it was just the achlys swap speed being better I'd take Gorg. But it's both

[brisk oxide]

gorg seems to have higher DPS in general at any range i think

[gray finch]

oh god

[regal smelt]

Overwhelming firepower for anything other than a monster sucks to use. Very sad to look in the bottom left every once in a while just to maybe see 1 shortlived stack. Auto gun variant of that same target hit blessing is way more forgiving

[brisk oxide]

haha

[brisk oxide]

i think for the targets that you really want dead it stacks up decently, .i.e. a point blank rager or crushers, reapers etc.

but yeah much of the time it's not adding much

[regal smelt]

And if you really want a "this guy's gotta die" build, can opener ripper. Ammo economy is just good enough rn that you can get away with wasting a half a mag on a sniper 40m away

[brisk oxide]

i want the rippers to work but i can't like them

[regal smelt]

As long as it isn't sniper gaunt

[brisk oxide]

takes like a whole magazine to kill a gunner at 20m

[regal smelt]

It was way easier when you could sprint cancel and fire them semi auto

Now you have to commit to whatever you want to shoot at

[brisk oxide]

the can opener damage is deinifltey crazy though

just feels too niche for me to love it. i need my main gun to have utility in every situation

[regal smelt]

I use it with shield and sometimes I don't have enough situations where I need a ranged weapon anyways.

[brisk oxide]

yeah i could see it with shield since shield helps you approach

[regal smelt]

It is kinda a 2nd melee weapon that you use to proc can opener on anything that will take more than 2 hits

[brisk oxide]

makes sense

i just got a shield i'm gonna try out, seems okay so far

378 w/ good rolls, both of the stagger blessings

need to switch one out though, not sure to what though

[regal smelt]

Also also fucks up karnack twins. Rending applies to them and their shields. And it doesn't take even a full mag to dump rinda

[regal smelt]

Instead of the one that gives impact try for the headshot one

Skulltaker is the only other good blessing though

[brisk oxide]

yeah that was my plan since that one is rerollable

havent seen brutal momentum on a shield yet though

[regal smelt]

Don't even need it to be a tier 4 blessing since the real juice of it is no different

[brisk oxide]

yeah true

[regal smelt]

With it you can just spam the first heavy over and over again to crowd clear. Aim way above heads to chop through hordes real well

[brisk oxide]

good score with lasgun

i have that exact knife but for the mk iii variant on my vet

thing cuts through elites really well but it's so painful to use on hordes

[regal smelt]

Newer Mk6 does just a tiny bit less against elites but way better on hordes

[brisk oxide]

interesting. i'll have to try and make one of those

i have one on my zealot but i don't care for it as much on zealot

i know it's good but lacerate proccing instantly on vet vs only on crit for zealot is a difference

[gray finch]

i did this just now

[regal smelt]

3rd heavy will do the same as the mk3 heavy attack though and it chains from a punch. Switched from using the 3 to the 6 fully on my zealot

Also haymaker is funny on it since it's heavies are actual sweeps

If you really can't get a good Mk6 just roll the dice in-mission with the 20% chance to kill stuff per heavy attack

[wanton dawn]

I

ve come to the conclusion that ppl do not know how to shot dog

[brisk oxide]

theyre kind of hard to hit sometimes

[wanton dawn]

Nah, definitely a symptom of unbind tag

[brisk oxide]

unbind tag?

[wanton dawn]

Also called: iamamaincharacterit

[regal smelt]

They tank a full plasma shot unless your buffs are stacked and it's a crit lol

[brisk oxide]

yeah plasma is weirdly not a good gun for them

i prefer columnus

[wanton dawn]

i was implying the dog is on someone

[brisk oxide]

recently discovered i can one shot dogs with evisc on zealot with the +20% damage talent

feels really good

using light attack i mean

[regal smelt]

If you're playing with people who ignore a dog on you and you're in los to them, yeah they are dumb depending on their ranged weapon

Spam waypoint tag until they turn your direction. Sometimes you can tag a special that's on you if you pitch your camera the right way

[brisk oxide]

yeah that's what i do, i appreciate when people do the same

not always immediately obvious that someone has a dog on them and not something else if you cant see em

[wanton dawn]

There is a red exclamation point on their character tag...

[brisk oxide]

are there any other situations that cause that?

[wanton dawn]

yeah, trapper

any situation were player is permanently disabled until ppl resciue

aka situation that require someone else to look

[brisk oxide]

right, so hence why i said that

[regal smelt]

Yeah that requires immediate attention anyways

Harder to differentiate those from people going down though, which isn't as immediate

[granite marten]

hanging off ledges also has red exclamation

[brisk oxide]

it matters why someone is down, so if someone say, tags a trapper, that gives me info about what to do if they're not visible

[granite marten]

Mutant is the only yellow

[regal smelt]

Would love a mod to change those, there was a mod to change enemy tag colors at one point I thought?

[somber axle]

WHAT

I joined into a quickplay and we just finished

this has to be a bug

[sinful palm]

Impossible

[final stag]

That's a lot of bodies into the meat grinder

That's 4 deaths per minute

[gleaming lynx]

rookie numbers on those deaths... i die that much in the valkyrie

[final stag]

3 deaths per minute

[wanton dawn]

20k away from skull hoarder

soon...

[somber axle]

we had a lot of deaths so I was curious but like

there's no way it was that many

[austere pine]

what a good base on such terrible perks and blessing

it took a dude with the same personality as mine saying "vacuum capsule" twice to get me to leave the match

[trim hemlock]

Why, though?

[austere pine]

i'm not risking the dude spamming voicelines throughout the whole mission, frankly

[vague smelt]

How the hell do they say these lines

[final stag]

For the emperor mod

[austere pine]

i do wonder, though. is the "vacuum capsule" some unused callout that's in the game files?

[vague smelt]

But that mod does not have Vacuum Capsule lines

[austere pine]

this looks weird to me. why is there a higher damage % to carapace from far instead of near?

[tame lodge]

Because you're not supposed to be near them

[austere pine]

fair, but how does that makes sense anyway?

[tame lodge]

Idk lol

[austere pine]

you're not supposed to be near anybody but gunners and shooters, but that doesn't mean you should deal less damage from up close or from afar

damage should be related to distance due to damage falloff normally and then by how armor reacts to certain bullet speeds i suppose

[grand perch]

There's weapons that have inverted falloff (meaning they do more damage ramping up with distance). Iirc that's helbore and infantry lasguns

[grand perch]

It's not part of the for the emperor mod, it's a mod from some streamer discord or something for donating viewers

[dreamy spade]

🥱

I love wallhacks

[radiant cargo]

I guess I don't get it for sure. Haven't used plasma in forever. Just doing a ton of damage without charging up, so you get to shoot a lot?

[dreamy spade]

yesnt

Base plasma isn't that strong, nor are the blessing, it's the talents that matter

[brisk oxide]

which talents?

the crit blessing is kinda good imo

since you mostly need crits to one shot gunners in the body

[dusty nacelle]

imagine the zarona revolver except it has a 35+ mag capacity

[dreamy spade]

it's a good bonus but not gamechanging

[brisk oxide]

and goes through crusher shields

[dusty nacelle]

that too

[brisk oxide]

revolver has no purpose on vet imo

[dusty nacelle]

and walls

goes through walls too

[brisk oxide]

with the right setup you can one shot a crusher with a plasma gun too, i think

one of the few times it's worth charging

[dreamy spade]

uhh idk if ive ever done it with left click

I mightve

[brisk oxide]

i don't think you can one shot with non charged afaik

[dreamy spade]

I think i can

[brisk oxide]

maybe if you had like damage stim plus silly talents that you wouldnt normally use

[dreamy spade]

but it has to be in the last volley of blaze away

and crits

[brisk oxide]

perhaps. ive never seen it though

imo they need to nerf plasma gun

i just never use anything else on vet

[dreamy spade]

If they nerf it they should at least give a great blessing

But imo its balanced

[dusty nacelle]

i dislike the plasma gun but idk if im like qualified at all to recommend balance changes to it

[dreamy spade]

my build gives it 200%+ damage

[lethal lantern]

anyone know the ideal blessings for ius shredder autopistol?

pinning fire + what else?

[final stag]

Good luck

Raking fire maybe? Shredder is hard to build

[lethal lantern]

thank u

i have this one im looking to fix up

[final stag]

I wish you the best of luck

[lethal lantern]

thinking of taking pinning fire out of this one and slapping it onto that one

[final stag]

Do it

[lethal lantern]

wait i think i just

damn

melk really came in clutch this time

hadron better believe im pleased

[hearty panther]

Actually recommend replacing Maniac with Elite, but that's me.

[tall torrent]

Not a bad roll but autopistol is rly struggling rn

[brisk oxide]

yeah it's in the same niche as columnus but worse in every way

hope it gets some love because it's a very cool weapon

[final stag]

If it gets buffed at least he has a beefy auto pistol

It should have better finesse or a innate crit chance.

[tall torrent]

Why should a hipfire super inaccurate gun have high finesse

[brisk oxide]

yeah i keep a bunch of weapons just on the basis of future buffs/nerfs

i think it could be cool if the autopistol ends up being like a CC/stagger monster

or something

[final stag]

I dunno really, it just seems the type since small guns usually equal crit machine fnndn

[brisk oxide]

would be neat to see guns have more niche archetypes

[final stag]

Truth

[brisk oxide]

give it crazy high suppression so that if you dump a whole mag in an area, everthing is ducking

[lethal lantern]

autopistol was so good when pinning fire was +20% each stack... ah good times

[tame lodge]

Graia Mk IV

[final stag]

Fucking spray and pray.

[somber axle]

Does it get crazy suppression if you grab the suppression node down middle tree and pair it with powderburn?

[hearty panther]

That's literally what it already is, yes. It's a suppression and knockback stick.

You can throw ragers on their ass in less than ten rounds once PF is up.

[brisk oxide]

it is, but it's not impactful enough in that role to compete with the meta picks

it needs to be insanely good at suppressing to be worth using compared to something that just deletes enemies

[hearty panther]

Negative, it is king of its category. It just doesn't do anything else.

[brisk oxide]

i know it is

but that category is a bad category

[hearty panther]

180dpr against Maniacs on 17rps is no joke.

[brisk oxide]

it remains a bad columnus, though

[hearty panther]

It's really not trying to compete with the Columnus.

[brisk oxide]

i know

they need to buff the category of weapon that it occupies though

[hearty panther]

Yeah, Shredder and Recons need something.

[brisk oxide]

the slowest recon is okay

[tame lodge]

Also looks good, not that it matters

[brisk oxide]

a looot of the guns in this game are actually pretty similar in terms of overall power, it's only a handful of standouts that are too strong imo

like for vet guns, once you drop the plasma and the columnus-style autoguns basically everything is around as viable as everything else

[tall torrent]

It’s not 17 rps?

[hearty panther]

16.67

[tall torrent]

I remembered it being 13.33, maybe I’m getting it confused with smth else

[chilly saddle]

Anyone have trouble aiming on controller? I don’t. I run knife zealot and consistently hit snipers at 50+ meters away and carry 9/10 games. I sit on a couch with a controller. Fact of life: anyone who takes the time to theorize about why their teammates didn’t carry them good enough is definitely the shit player they think everyone else is lol

[brisk oxide]

i play on controller and play plasma gun vet and do totally fine on auric

and that's probably the single worst gun to use on controller

i'd probably miss a little less often on MNK but controller does have benefits in a game like this too

[chilly saddle]

What’s extra extra funny is he said he spectates them so that means he’s FUCKING DEAD

[brisk oxide]

stick movement is superior to WASD for precision

[hearty panther]

yep

[astral valve]

I can't not use M/KB for FPS games but use whatever works for you

[final stag]

L m a o

[brisk oxide]

i prefer MNK but my desktop is a mac atm

[junior needle]

In my subjective experience, console players tend to be less skilled on average

[brisk oxide]

i could just plug in MNK on my xbox but i leave it at the couch

[junior needle]

So perhaps it's not explicitly the controller

Given that the game has pretty generous aim smoothing for it

[brisk oxide]

console players are less skilled on average, it's objectively true

they've had the game for a lot less time

[chilly saddle]

When the game hit console and pc players had a year of experience sure

Now I have more wins than every console player I know irl combined

[tall torrent]

And also console generally a bit more casual

[brisk oxide]

that too

[junior needle]

Not just for that reason, but that does skew things a bit

[brisk oxide]

yeah like anything theres multiple variables

but i think the total time played is the largest one

the populations in question aren't -that- different

[tame lodge]

Turn the aim assist off, it's ass

[junior needle]

Well game time isn't exactly a reliable determiner of skill either

[brisk oxide]

for an individual, no, but for a group it is

[junior needle]

With the true level mod you can see 1000+ level players who are pretty stinky

That's fair

[astral valve]

I would rather play with a nice console player that's less good at aiming than a sweaty pc player at the top of their game

[brisk oxide]

i think it's nice to play with people of similar skill level

if they're too much better or worse it can be a point of friction

[astral valve]

I'm fine playing with less skilled players, I'm not exactly the cream of the crop either. I feel a lot more awkward playing with people who are clearly super good and have put a ton of hours in and are just running through solo and murdering everything

Basically as long as somebody isn't out of their element in the difficulty they picked it's fine in my experience, or even if they're close to being ready you can usually make it work

[brisk oxide]

yeah and to a point if you're crushing a mission too much it gets boring

if someone goes down you get a little drama

[astral valve]

Give me the people who are less sure of themselves and willing to stick together as a group and be boring and not sprint lol

[final stag]

I would like to say I'm quite above average as a console player. But most of us on the community are probably above average and higher

[hearty panther]

you can tell in auric when your team is crushing it because the director will literally never stop

and if the director isnt doing that then sadly my ADHD brain gets bored

[brisk oxide]

well yeah this is a self-selecting group

we're necessarily above average since there was a hurdle to get into the discord (care enough about darktide to join it)

[final stag]

Active ones anyways

[somber axle]

Wait is that why normal Damnation runs have felt so crazy lately

I've had some funny low intensity runs that felt more insane than some high intensity runs

[hearty panther]

yes it's all a set of tempo variables or whatever you want to call it

threat, pressure, pick your term

[somber axle]

Oh

I thought it was entirely random and up to the whims of what Nurgle felt like doing that day

[hearty panther]

if standard damnation is 50 but your team is demolishing the enemy, it'll reassess your competency until it 'feels' like 50

[somber axle]

Hmm ok well that's good to know

[hearty panther]

it's also partially why stealth speedrunners can eat a bag of dicks

they're just hitting all these triggers but dumping all the aggro back on their team

there's no real competency there

you essentially juke the stats and entirely at the loss of your three other teammates

[somber axle]

Progressing faster than the AI director thinks the team should be? Time to spawn an entire wave of Crushers and Maulers while non-stop spamming trappers, hounds and muties with the occasional sniper and bomber sprinkled in

And here comes the Chaos Spawn as the icing to the cake

[hearty panther]

"lol i evaded all that by pressing F geez i wonder why my team is doing so poorly"

cause ya i dont run a scoreboard

but i dont need one to have noticed that some games can be anywhere from half the baseline to as much as three times more than baseline

[somber axle]

I don't run any mods

[hearty panther]

like it's pretty clear the director is trying to cook when you've run into your third pack of bulwarks, crushers, 20+ ragers etc.

and you havent even hit the mid event

[somber axle]

I know a lot of people like the mods for cosmetics but half the fun is designing an outfit for me is when people will see in game and not just whatever is posted in driptide

Plus some of the gun mods looks like abominations and prove Hadron right about not letting us modify the guns LMFAO

[hearty panther]

freal tho

so much tech heresy

[somber axle]

A lot of people design actual garbo and then go "look at my super cool gun!!"

[hearty panther]

im just too fucking lazy to care about working around mod issues

[astral valve]

What's the point of Driptide if you're the only one that gets wet

[hearty panther]

the moment any give me shit i just dump all of them

[somber axle]

Exactly

If you look like a homeless person in matches, is it really worth it

[hearty panther]

best mod imo is having weapon crafting access in the psykh

thats just good quality of life

[astral valve]

Depends on if you're stylishly homeless

[hearty panther]

i care for literally nothing else

[somber axle]

Some mods seem like actual good quality of life improvements

Like the ones that write what blessings actually do

[hearty panther]

then you have shit like spideysense which frankly, nah

[somber axle]

Or show you a list of all blessings plus tell you which you have collected vs which you are missing

If someone needs a mod to have subtitles tell them when a special spawns I tend to chalk it up to probably being an irl disability thing. People with hearing problems will struggle to hear audio queues everyone else will know by heart

[astral valve]

The only mod I use is Power DI

[somber axle]

Accessibility options are fine in my book

[hearty panther]

i wont touch the accessibility subject because that's an individual thing for people to decide. but you'll find that outside of literal controls/controller accessibility, most with one arent interested in dumbing down the actual gameplay, they want to just be able to play

[astral valve]

So I can look at stuff like this and think, you know, maybe I wasn't so bad

[hearty panther]

so it was pretty fucking bothersome to me that when spideysense exploded in popularity, suddenly 90% of this discord and reddit were staunch advocates for accessbility in video games and never again since

[somber axle]

UI design mods are ok too. Some people just have personal taste as far as where they want their UI on screen and how they want it to look

I don't use it but ultimately idc if others do

[hearty panther]

yeah it wont affect my gameplay

i will however think you are verrrry laaaame

[somber axle]

Knowing a hound spawned isn't going to gift someone the awareness to know where it spawned or where it's coming from unless they have the experience and knowledge of maps down

[astral valve]

I don't really care about mod use generally but the ones that like, play alarm bells when you're near a grimoire or whatever seem a little cheap

[somber axle]

I saw a weird mod in a YouTube vid of someone changing the heretics from nurgle acolytes to slaanesh

Cool but also some of the text lines were kinda fucked up

[astral valve]

lmao

[chilly saddle]

Whenever I go to the Darktide folder I see Fred again. God I hope he’s doing better. Never seen a more haggard bastard

[somber axle]

Scoreboards are fun for tracking personal progress or competing with friends but it's not baseline in the game because a lot of people would use them like WoW DPS meters and stick their noses in the air at each other (and they already kinda do anyway LOL)

[astral valve]

I don't mind not having a scoreboard in-game for exactly that reason

[chilly saddle]

You’ll be happy to have a stealth speed runner on your team when you start hyper fixating on getting the 250 Hab Dreyko wins frame

[astral valve]

But I do like being able to see how I did compared to my team and where I maybe need to improve

[chilly saddle]

Spend 15 minutes or 1.5 minutes at the tree

[somber axle]

Fav comment I saw about scoreboards was from the Ogryn channel where they were discussing an Ogryn and a Vet arguing mid match because the Vet kept dying and was blaming the Ogryn for doing too little damage. Ogryn asked the Vet how much his DPS is while dead and the Vet ragequit

[chilly saddle]

Psyker is my least played. I didn’t touch smite for 200 games, then ran it on a repair mission. Stun lock a room then the plasma gun veteran with zero survival instinct could line up all the elites for combo kills. Not fun. I said “I’m never playing support again” and he said “you probably should. You’re bottom frag.”

Never encountered such audacity

[astral valve]

I love doing stuff like that

Lock up a room so other people can wipe it down

Teamwork

[hearty panther]

personally i hate it, lol. from both sides.

if i wanted to hit mannequins i'd still be at taals horn keep

[chilly saddle]

Someone spent half an hour of their life turning the game into a frozen target shooting gallery for you and you insult their kill count lmao

[hearty panther]

i have one meme-ass build that runs smite and i only really use it by having an eye partially glued to my team's toughness bars and firing it off only when they are clearly getting overwhelmed

and the truth is that i maybe use it for 50~% of a perils bar and let it go

that's already plenty to hold and throw back a pretty big crowd

[astral valve]

I haven't really gotten into the meta for psyker yet so I have two zappy fingers builds, one with the peril dump and one with the shield, both are pretty fun but probably need a lot of work

[somber axle]

I was having a lot of fun using a Smite/Venting Shriek build that focused on spreading the funny flames thing (not purgatus staff) but I noticed it trivialized encounters with mass packs of maulers, crushers, etc. during hordes so I swapped to Assail and it is so much more fun imo

[hearty panther]

it's also goofy redundant

shriek alone kills all trash if cast at 83%

[astral valve]

Funny flames are extra fun

[hearty panther]

if you're holding onto a weapon with +flak then most shooters will melt, too

[somber axle]

Ooo I didn't know that. I used to Smite to let it chain across a horde, let it tick for a couple seconds then shriek to wipe them and let the flames continue to spread from the talent node adding flames onto shriek to let lightning and fire spread. Tbh I was mostly just doing it because it looked cool, felt fun and obliterated hordes but knowing the math behind it is very good to know

I prefer swapping between my Gunker build and my funny Surge staff/CD aura/Shriek/Assail build depending on mood but if I play my Smite/Shriek flames build again it'll be good info

[hearty panther]

that's really the issue with smite. what it purports to do, other in-kit solutions already exist (While also offering solutions to other problems, eg. preventing perils with Shriek). so when you consider that smite is channeled and taking you completely offline while you're using it, it's hard to find situations where only smite is the appropriate or best answer

and those situations are generally just 20+ rager packs during a crusher blob in a horde type of shit

and you strictly speaking dont even need to proactively smite in a situation like that, you're still better off waiting until things are notably not working out, because your base level of damage/CC with a staff is far more valuable

double that with the fact that it's costing perils to do smite and your downtime is smite time + quell time, unless you're going straight to melee or are a gun psyker

[somber axle]

Smite was funny for saving the Vet who cornered himself between crushers and maulers to save the effort of reviving him

[hearty panther]

yep thats a scenario where smite is nice

[somber axle]

Good for aoe stun to save the day in a panic situation

[hearty panther]

but then what could you have accomplished that entire time with the other blitz options?

[somber axle]

But a lot of Psykers rely on it for everything

Yeah exactly

[hearty panther]

and even a trauma staff could save that vet

couple well-placed blasts knocks over the big targets and minces the small ones

[somber axle]

Instead of just stunning and hoping the Vet unfucks himself you could also just use that time to kill everything yourself

[hearty panther]

so anyway smite kinda sucks lmao

[somber axle]

But Smite is ez mode

[hearty panther]

its fun until you get into the maths

[somber axle]

It's a crutch tbh

But it is a REALLY COOL LOOKING crutch

[hearty panther]

it is, it does not punish for misuse

shit you cant even perils yourself with smite

like how generous is that

[somber axle]

Funnier to throw Assail knives at a rager pack running at the team to wipe them out vs Smite the squad and hope someone else kills them

Plus Assail is better for throwing a knife at that awful Sniper who has pixel perfect cover while firing at the team

Throw Knife, easy life

[hearty panther]

so my personal smite meme build is combat knife, vraks 7 headhunter, with shield wall and disrupt destiny

i throw out small smite bursts towards whatever target is the blueboi

and either shoot or stab as needed

rinse and repeat

it is the most 'active' i have managed to make smite

and it is quite frankly janky and unnecessarily difficult to execute

did you know you can left-click cast smite while sliding?

... but only if you switch to smite after you start sliding?

why is this? who knowsss

there's a joy to hitting an enemy with the tickle thunder before putting a knife in their head

but i could also just be running assail and achieving all of this with tremendously less effort and better results

[tall torrent]

I've enjoyed purgatus + deimos + assail a lot more than any other psyker build ngl

[somber axle]

Shield Wall seems so good for supporting the team vs gunners, snipers, reapers, flamers and even bombers but I lean on Shriek because I love Surge staff with Warp Charges and I'm still learning/feeling out how much I can zap before my brain pops. It's good to have as a back up tool in case I go overboard with zaps to avoid going down. Or for emergency moments when I need to do more zaps right away to buy some more peril

Maybe when I am more confident with Surge I'll try shield instead

Still only like 52 games on my Psyker iirc

Gotta learn the class more and become more comfortable before I go wilder

I saw someone in Psyker chat talking about Scyers + Purgatus and thought that was maximum silly

I want to try it

[somber axle]

I've tried Deimos but I'm too addicted to Macabian Dueling Sword IV for the heavy pokes. I love love love stabbing my way through an entire pack of Crushers and Maulers on my Gunker build after hitting Scryers and zooming around stabbing like an uncatchable magical berserker

Plus with Rampage I can W+M1 my way through hordes ezpz and the special staggers ragers to set them up for an easy head stab heavy

It just feels so good I almost never want to try any other Psyker melee

Covers all my melee bases too well

[tall torrent]

DS4 is nice yea

although

[somber axle]

Everyone says the Ilsi is amazing in Psyker chat

I haven't tried it yet

[tall torrent]

I'm prob gonna run knife on veteran, zealot & psyker in the future

[somber axle]

Very funny using a single heavy stab on the Macabian Dueling Sword IV to one tap a charging mutie

[tall torrent]

it's pretty hilariously busted

[somber axle]

Knife on Psyker?

I guess it could be really funny with a Gunker Scyers build

[tall torrent]

pairing with purgatus is not a bad idea

[somber axle]

Knife feels so weak for horde clear that Purgatus feels a natural pairing

[tall torrent]

u have horde clear covered and knife gives u insane mobility, also pairs well with crits

[tall torrent]

I'm ngl

[somber axle]

I mean I guess Knife VI has good wave clear

But I don't like the feel of it

[tall torrent]

someone pointed me in the right direction

what u need is flesh tearer

(for vet & zealot)

if u want knife to horde clear

[inland orchid]

i snagged the rend blessing myself, feels nice to see the small diff of cleave even when theres armored broskis in the horde

bleed is bleed tho so i'd def reccomend what this gato is reccomendin

[somber axle]

I will give it a try when I can roll a good knife and purgatus staff on my Psyker

[tall torrent]

flesh tearer IV has 8 stacks on melee crit

and it's 8 stacks to all enemies hit (3 cleave light for both, 6.5 cleave for Mk6 H1 & H2)

so the bad cleave dmg distribution is basically entirely negated

and u just bleed everything to death

I will say however, consider Out for Blood with flesh tearer

Because bleed kills won’t give u toughness unless u run that

So melee toughness sustain could be a problem

[somber axle]

Ooo

That does sound fun

[tall torrent]

(Will need to verify that melee toughness part)

[somber axle]

I love Bloodletter on my Vet's chainsword XIII right now for chewing through boss shields

[tall torrent]

But flesh tearer requires u to play reciprocity + desperado which is a 3 point investment normally

[somber axle]

Very funny melting an assassination with zero effort

Bleed Crushers